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Speaker 1: Miss Spelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. Hey everyone,

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Speaker 1: welcome to a very special episode of Miss Spelling. I

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Speaker 1: am Denise Richards, your guest host for today because Tory

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Speaker 1: is sick, so I'm wishing her a speedy recovery tea.

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Speaker 2: I hope I make you proud, and I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: This is my very first time ever hosting a podcast

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Speaker 1: and I can't be more excited about our guest today.

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Speaker 1: Our guest is the fabulous the Caroline Standard. She is

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Speaker 1: a huge reality TV star, she is a beauty guru,

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Speaker 1: fashion icon, entrepreneur, she's a mother, she's a wife, she's

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Speaker 1: a friend of mine, and we are going to talk

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Speaker 1: about everything from beauty, wellness, divores everything, So everyone.

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Speaker 2: Please welcome Caroline. Hi Carolina.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited that you are my very first guest

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Speaker 1: hosting any podcasts. And I think our friendship started actually

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Speaker 1: when I was a guest on your podcast, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like we became fast friends right away.

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Speaker 3: We did, and thank you so much for choosing me first.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe it. And you look beautiful as usual.

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Speaker 3: You know what you coming on the podcast was so

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Speaker 3: amazing for me. We clicked straight away, and obviously I'm

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Speaker 3: a massive fan of Youles likewise Apps.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be here today. Thank you, and

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Speaker 3: hopefully this is the start of many for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited and Okay, First of all, Caroline is the

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Speaker 1: person that you go to for everything.

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Speaker 2: And I tell everyone, if you have you do it all.

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Speaker 1: If you have a question about someone about beauty, this

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Speaker 1: or that, wherever in the world, Caroline has the answer

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Speaker 1: for that person. And also Caroline is very First of all,

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Speaker 1: she's tiny in person, and she's even more gorgeous. And

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Speaker 1: I say, if Margot Robbie and Rebecca Romaine.

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Speaker 2: Had a baby, that's Caroline went away. You look.

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Speaker 3: So I call myself the FIXERX. I've always liked to

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Speaker 3: fix things for people. I like to make people happy,

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Speaker 3: maybe too much so. And I like to, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm an open book. So I wish more people would,

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Speaker 3: as I say, pay it forward.

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Speaker 2: How about that?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what people. White people are so

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Speaker 1: drawn to you too, besides being so beautiful, and you're

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Speaker 1: just so approachable and you're so open and honest, and

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Speaker 1: it's so great and I will say. You are a

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Speaker 1: true friend that will tell you like it is. After

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Speaker 1: you had your face lift, you told me I need

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, then you go, no, you.

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Speaker 1: Need to get a facelift. I go, okay, I'll do

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Speaker 1: my nut and you go, no, darling, you must.

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Speaker 2: So I did need to work on that. So I

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Speaker 2: had a facelift this summer.

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Speaker 1: And Caroline, aside from my family and my publicist of

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Speaker 1: thirty years, because you always have to tell her everything,

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Speaker 2: And so right after my surgery, this was in June,

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Speaker 2: I sent you pictures right away. I was so scared

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Speaker 3: So you inspee, don't let them out. She was like,

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Speaker 3: don't let the pictures out. The pictures were amazing. I

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Speaker 2: The grave with me. That I love about you. We

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Speaker 2: should leak them. Well, I'm unbelievable. I will. You must,

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Speaker 2: but you are you should be. But that's what I

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Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, God, I will.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so glad I did so thank you and

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Speaker 1: that's fine, people can be private about, you know things.

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Speaker 1: I respect that, but I love that you and you've

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Speaker 2: It's just forthcoming about certain things.

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Speaker 3: Denise, Denise, I would like you to be a little

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Speaker 3: less honest than well, there's certain things that you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no, really back.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, when stuff's out there, it's uh,

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Speaker 1: I haven't mentioned much about my divorce publicly, but Caroline

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Speaker 1: Yours just you've been so supportive, you know, telling me

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Speaker 2: Don't listen to this and it's it's really great.

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Speaker 3: Well, of course, I mean I think it's as we've

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Speaker 3: of he's made it scandalous in a way. But actually

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Speaker 2: He feels a little bit desperate.

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Speaker 3: And I just think, you know, you remained graceful, which

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Speaker 2: There's nothing else you can do. And that's it is

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Speaker 3: It's unfortunate that you are so public, but you've handled

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Speaker 2: Could thank you. I didn't think it would go the way.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think anyone did.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I you know, I really want to get

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Speaker 1: will say over the holidays, this is where it crosses

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Speaker 1: the line that I learned his family started a go

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Speaker 1: fund me, which is fine, start whatever you want, but

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Speaker 1: do not say whatever you want about me, which they have.

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Speaker 2: I'll deal with that after the divorce.

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Speaker 1: But when you cross the line and bring my youngest

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Speaker 3: I don't even have it's outrageous so that I think

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Speaker 3: I think it really crossed. I think it really crossed

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Speaker 3: the line a bit before that, Denise, to be honest,

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Speaker 3: a lot of times bring my daughter into it.

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Speaker 2: That's ye. Now, yes, not.

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Speaker 3: Mom of bear comes out, no, But I think you know,

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Speaker 3: you just have to understand desperate people do desperate.

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Speaker 2: Things, and you know they are now.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately they have nothing to lose, so you know she's

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Speaker 3: I think exactly that is. I did read this just now,

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Speaker 3: oh my god. I just think you think, what disgusting

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Speaker 2: Everybody around you. I just don't think it sits or

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Speaker 1: I would just you know, for me, it's not so much,

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Speaker 1: It's more about, you know, it's hard not going through

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Speaker 1: And then to go to this level to bring you know,

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Speaker 1: It is shocking, but it's.

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Speaker 2: Like it's like sleeping with you, but you're not.

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Speaker 3: You're not the first, so you know, it's like many

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Speaker 2: Enemy because you don't see what I said.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't see the real person until the gloves

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Speaker 3: And that's why I don't think he's gained any traction,

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Speaker 3: And I think that you have gained a lot of

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Speaker 2: But you know you need to also.

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Speaker 3: Think about your future and all and what you need

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Speaker 3: so you can't sit and think about all of those things.

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Speaker 3: It's the past. Thank oh yeah, god, it's the past.

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Speaker 3: I just want to get through it. And it's fine

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Speaker 3: what it is. And you know, I want to see

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Speaker 3: Denise two point zero with the facelift and the new dating.

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Speaker 1: Thank you mentally, he is an artist, so I'm very

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm going to clear this up. You were beautiful

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Speaker 3: Resting Bitch Face.

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Speaker 2: This was about it. Yes we did. We did.

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Speaker 3: We had Resting Bitch Face. And there's not a lot

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Speaker 3: You begin to look on and look at you now,

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Speaker 3: I mean like aren't you kissing me around so excited?

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Speaker 3: Why would we wait for this?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was scared to do it, to.

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Speaker 1: Be honest, because we've all seen uh, you know, bad facelifts,

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Speaker 2: You look like wild things, that's what you look like.

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Speaker 3: It's looked fetal, for fuck's sake, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Now have you always been into all the beauty because

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Speaker 3: Total shift. I wasn't the prettiest at school, for sure.

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Speaker 3: and I haven't done.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I've had a facelift now, but even

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Speaker 3: And I always say, you know, my skin is better,

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Speaker 2: No, I do think I do. I do because you

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Speaker 3: You're not scared of hard work nor a muk right,

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that's my day. Yes, So I wanted I

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Speaker 3: So it's so we start. No, it's just me and

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Speaker 3: move country, or some of them want to know how

439
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 3: to get started. So one woman wanted to start buying

440
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 3: real estate over here, so she actually I got her.

441
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 2: I introduced her to everyone.

442
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 3: Some people just want connections, you know, all very very different,

443
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 3: but it's it's a community of women and they all

444
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 3: stayed in contact, and yeah, it's it's sold out every

445
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,439
Speaker 3: single time. So I guess we're doing something right. And

446
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 3: I think it's only going to get bigger, to be honest,

447
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 3: and actually, I think you'd be great at it.

448
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 2: And in it. Well, thank you so much.

449
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I love it and I love how

450
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: much it's grown for you in such a short and

451
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: you've only been doing it for a couple two a

452
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 1: couple of years, right.

453
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: This is my second year.

454
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 3: I was I was scared to do it because I

455
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 3: was thinking, you know what if nobody turns up? Right

456
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 3: then the women that turned up too, one woman was

457
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 3: running for Congress, one woman. You know, we had like

458
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 3: loads of designers, lots of one woman that had restaurants

459
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 3: in Mexico, one woman that had beautiful clinics in LA

460
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 3: and they all just wanted to either. You know, just

461
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 3: sometimes when you've run a business for a very long time,

462
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 3: you get tired and you just don't see the woods

463
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: through the trees, right. And other women have grown it

464
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: and may have ideas or can take you from A

465
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 3: to B. And I think it's just it's like a

466
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 3: think tank too.

467
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: I think that's great.

468
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: You know, I can't wait to go and experience because

469
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 1: I've heard about it from you first.

470
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 3: So you're in a great You're in a great position

471
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 3: because you really are somewhere right now that you get

472
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: to choose. You're in like a sliding doors moment you

473
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: can go left or you can go right and no,

474
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 3: but it's really exciting.

475
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,959
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited for rush start now do Sergio

476
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: will go with you to the retreat.

477
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: You know what.

478
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to have him ever, and I was

479
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 3: very strong about it. But he did come with me

480
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 3: because the cameraman couldn't come to the second one, and

481
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: he's like, look, I'll just do it, but they won't

482
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 3: even notice I'm there.

483
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: So he always yeah, I know, he was never he's

484
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 2: not in the one on one Bravo Khan.

485
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: Caroline and I we are in line and people are

486
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 1: coming to see us and Sergio all the women running

487
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: up to him taking pictures with him.

488
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 3: It was really cute. He's so sweet. Well, that's where

489
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: it happened. When I'm doing the one on one, the

490
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 3: ladies love talking to it because Sergio also does a

491
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: lot of social media. He does all this stuff for me, right,

492
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 3: and a lot of women don't know how to do this.

493
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 3: So he ended up putting it down that if you

494
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: guys want to speak to him about marketing and how

495
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 3: to set up your reels and all the things he

496
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 3: does for me, whilst I'm on the one on ones

497
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 3: that he didn't mind doing that.

498
00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: He was more full than me.

499
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 3: Every single woman both time with him, I was like,

500
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 3: oh my god, he goes No. I meant just like

501
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: four or five of them, you know, twenty six of

502
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: them booked in. He was busy as anything helping them

503
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 3: redesign their page of it. Yeah, and he's so so

504
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: like supportive and so helpful. And you know, there's not

505
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: a lot of attention around your guys is the age difference.

506
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 3: And I have to say, being around Caroline and her husband,

507
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 3: you don't even there is no age.

508
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: It is so you guys have such a connection. It's

509
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: so it's infectious being around you both. It's you guys.

510
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: It's lovely.

511
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: I love it well, we're best friends and we do

512
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: everything together.

513
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: Now.

514
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, I.

515
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: Don't I even hate saying it because I'm also one

516
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 3: of those very pragmatic people like I. You know, you

517
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: and I talk about because I always go, you know, look,

518
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: who knows what will happen in the future. You know,

519
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: who knows? As I get much older, maybe things change,

520
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 3: you renegotiate things.

521
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what the future looks like.

522
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: Because I see it every day because I've interviewed so

523
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: many couples over the years, and look, you know, a

524
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, you thought you were in life.

525
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: It's like, shit happens.

526
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: So I don't want to be the stupid woman that

527
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: goes you know, everything's perfect and then suddenly gets a

528
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: giant slap around our face. But you know, for now

529
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: everything is perfect, right, and you know, and now it's

530
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: good enough, you know what I mean? Like that is

531
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: what I was saying to you, like I don't know why.

532
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: And it's funny that we get so lost in our

533
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 3: relationships because you know, every ending is a new beginning, right.

534
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true.

535
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: And even you know, my relationship with Charlie, I don't

536
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: see that as a failure or it was our journey.

537
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: We were mented it be together for our daughters. And

538
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: by the way some people thought when I said in

539
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: his documentary that I love Charlie, I don't love them

540
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: in a way romantically. I love them as the father

541
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: of my daughters. I'm always gonna have that connection with him.

542
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: You know.

543
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: So I it's the same thing like you have you

544
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: and your ex are always gonna have that bond with

545
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: your kids, and now did you how was the transition

546
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 1: with blending.

547
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: And I know everyone else, Yeah, because it's hard to

548
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: blend your.

549
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: Family when you're you know, no, I mean, anyone that

550
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: says it's easy, it's not, you know, I mean. And

551
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 3: and just because it's like you, Denise, I mean, you've

552
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: just got your relationship ship back with Charlie and that's amazing.

553
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: We've actually always over the years, it's just uh, he's

554
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: been really quiet, trying to get things back going. But

555
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, we've had our ups and downs, trust me,

556
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: over the years, but we've we've been good.

557
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: For a while actually yeah. Yeah, but when it's fad,

558
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: it was bad. Yeah.

559
00:26:50,760 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, that's that's the thing. You know,

560
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 3: you just some days it's really good.

561
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: Some days it's not.

562
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: The kids, you know what the problem with kids is.

563
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 3: What happens is they carry things back between the house that.

564
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: They don't even know. They're saying. You can't say to them, don't.

565
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 3: Tell Daddy you saw this or you know, or don't

566
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 3: tell mommy you saw this in the house. And were

567
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: when you and Sergio got together, they must have been

568
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: eight or nine, that's ages two. Yeah, So and Yasmin

569
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: of course, so that's the boys.

570
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: So Yasmin's whatever.

571
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: Twelve, so you know, eleven, it's a very difficult age

572
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 3: and she understood a lot more than the boys obviously.

573
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: And you know, look, we're all in a really good

574
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: place right now, and it's we've surpassed it, thank god.

575
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: But I don't wish it on anyone. Blending a family

576
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: together is not easy. I don't care who you are.

577
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: And there's no child that goes, oh, this is great.

578
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: I love my new dad. It's very true.

579
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, right that, just when women ask me,

580
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: were trying to maintain a relationship with Charlie, And you know,

581
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: I've always been one that it's not the kid's fault

582
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: that we split. I would never talk badly about Charlie,

583
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: to the point where the kids were.

584
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: Like, why didn't you tell me this about I don't.

585
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: It's not my place. I'm not.

586
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: I want you to discover your own relationship and it's

587
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: not fair for me to put my feelings about our

588
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: relationship onto you kids. So and that's a very I

589
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: think hard thing to navigate when you're going through divorce,

590
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 1: not letting out of the kids.

591
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: It's so involved in knowing things especially well again, yeah,

592
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: I was about to say, you're in a very different predicament.

593
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: I wasn't that public.

594
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 3: I mean, not public enough that they were digging that

595
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: deep into my eggs or those kind of things. I mean,

596
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: you were married to one of the most famous men

597
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: on the planets at the time, so you know, obviously

598
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: shielding your children from that. I don't know how you

599
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: do that, I really don't. So you know, that's all

600
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: you can do. All you can do is tell your

601
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: children he's a good father, he's a good person, he's

602
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: doing his best, and that's what you do.

603
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: That's what we all do.

604
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: Because I always say, in any marriage, and that's what

605
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: I wish more people understood, there is no such well,

606
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: if you have children, there is no such word as

607
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: divorce because divorce has such a finite sort of connotation

608
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: to children. It feels like someone's died, right, So you're

609
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: not you can never divorce them. You're going to children's parties,

610
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 3: you're going to graduations, you're going to weddings. You're like,

611
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: it's not like walking away. You can't walk away from

612
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: the father of your children, no matter how much want to.

613
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: And I think.

614
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: As soon as that hits you and you really take

615
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: that in. There is no leaving the father of your

616
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: children regardless. I think it becomes a lot easier because

617
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: you just have to go.

618
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: Exactly and it makes it it's best for the kids

619
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: to keep the peaceful as possible and.

620
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: Not and you and who for the rest of your life.

621
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's not going away, that's

622
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: not true. It's not like an.

623
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: Ex boyfriend you go, oh, you know, fuck you, I

624
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,959
Speaker 3: never ever see you again. You do, you do, you

625
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: absolutely do. Unless you're not going to the graduation, You're

626
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: not going to the parties, you're not going to the

627
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: bum mitzvah's, whatever it is.

628
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: You know, you do.

629
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, you need to

630
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: get used to that. And that's was when that hit me.

631
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: It was actually so freeing because I was like, oh, okay,

632
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: it's only me that's going to get upset.

633
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: You know.

634
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: I remember I had a huge fight with my ex

635
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: husband just before one of my sons, my son's bum

636
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: mitzvah over.

637
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: Here, and I was like, that's it, I'm not going.

638
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: I called my parents.

639
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, none of us are going, and my mom

640
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: just said to me, well, there's your pictures for the

641
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 3: rest of your life, right, you know, and he's going

642
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: to be there, and his family's going to be there.

643
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 3: The children are all there, and you're gonna be the

644
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: only one. But we won't go, none of us will go.

645
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: If that's what you want, we'll respect it, but you're

646
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: going to regret it. So I got dressed, danced on

647
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: stage with him, took all the pictures, made the speeches,

648
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: and went home and then said, that's what you do.

649
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, that's what you do.

650
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: You suck it up, get through it, and then you can.

651
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: Suck it up. Friendly with each other.

652
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: Are they ever around each other at any kids events

653
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: or holidays.

654
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: Or anything, Well, I mean, my ex think Sergio is

655
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: a kid, so like that's how he treats him. So

656
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: we just laugh because you know, like when he comes over,

657
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: he like orders our food, he's like, you know, and

658
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: and it's just very funny.

659
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: So I think we've just got used to it. And

660
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: Sergio kind of.

661
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: Lets him lead, and which is kind of, I guess,

662
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: an easier dynamic. And I think I always think of

663
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: it if my ex husband was faced with another adult

664
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: telling him what to do. I think maybe that would

665
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: be hard of him, as he doesn't consider Sergio an adult,

666
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: or he probably does now, but back.

667
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: In the day, he didn't. You know, I think it

668
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: was just the easier dynamic. He'd be like, oh well.

669
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: He probably thought, Okay, it's gonna last, she's gonna have

670
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: her fun and one.

671
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: Hundred and he was like, well watch this exactly, let's

672
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: watch this explode, showing along with half the world.

673
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: That's all right.

674
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: I was, you know, forty three, having a midlife crisis.

675
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: To all my friends, they were like, uh, that's one

676
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: that you jump on and jump off.

677
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: And how did you guys meet? And were you right

678
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: away wanting to go out with him or did he

679
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: have to did it take some convincing? How long were

680
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: you separated? So I was separated, we'd agree to do whatever.

681
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: We wanted for the summer kind of thing. My ex

682
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: and I. I was living downstairs, he was living upstairs.

683
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: But look, when I met Sergio, I actually thought of

684
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: him for a friend of mine.

685
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: I was in Newport Beach and he was in the audience.

686
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: But I think we just and because I wasn't looking

687
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: for myself at that point, I really really did think

688
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: of him. My girlfriend's going to know exactly what I'm

689
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: talking about. But she didn't really fancy him, but I

690
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: was like, oh, he's hot. I don't think I thought

691
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: about it that clearly, and I just think so, I

692
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: think the connection was there. We just started talking, you know,

693
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: and we just talked and talked and talked, and I

694
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: just think that, you know, I wasn't looking him at

695
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: him that way, and I wasn't looking particularly yes, so

696
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: you're kind of like in that place where you're just

697
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: it just hits you, I suppose. And then when I

698
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: did find out his age, I was like, oh, no,

699
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: this is not happening. I actually sent him on a

700
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: date with another girl, and which is hilarious. And we're

701
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 3: all good friends now, and I just I don't know.

702
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: I guess we're soulmates somehow. I broke up with him,

703
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: and everyone used to think I trapped him. I didn't

704
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: trap Sergio. Sergio trapped me. I broke up with him

705
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: a million times.

706
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: You know. And I don't know if you heard him

707
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: or when we were at Brabl Khan he said something

708
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: he said, and it's true.

709
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: I think he said, the man has.

710
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: To love the woman more than the woman loves the man,

711
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: and it's like, I love that he knows that.

712
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: You know, and it's so true, so true, all of

713
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: you ladies men out there, It is true.

714
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: The man must you a little love, must love you

715
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: a little more than you love him. My mom taught

716
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: me that too, and I didn't know the meaning of

717
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: that until now. I think.

718
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: I love how supported you guys are of each other

719
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: and secure with each other.

720
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 2: Were you and your ex that way too?

721
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 3: No, not like this, like I'm super relaxed and we're

722
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: super comport. Look, he was so excited when you when

723
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: he first met you, remember he was he just he

724
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: was like yanked me, Yeah, so cute, and you were like, oh,

725
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: do you mind.

726
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care at all, Like I love you,

727
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 2: you know, and I am secure in myself.

728
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: I know.

729
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: I feel that. That's what I always say. You can't

730
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: hold on by holding on, No, you can't. No.

731
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 3: So if someone's going to do something, they're going to

732
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: do it regardless of anything, right, and it's in their nature.

733
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: It's not if you're looking. You're looking. So I feel

734
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: I know the way I see him, the way we

735
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: are together every day.

736
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: I feel his phone is open I can pick it

737
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 3: up anytime, you know, when someone's being a bit dodgy.

738
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: You know, all of these things, I've never felt that

739
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: I've needed to question anything with him. And you know, again,

740
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: I've always said to him, I only want to be

741
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: with someone that wants to be with me. I don't

742
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: want to have to chase someone around wondering where they are.

743
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: How awful would that be?

744
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: Well, I also love that he lets you shine, and

745
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: he Tully's really like, genuinely, really proud watching him with

746
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: you and watching people come up to you and take

747
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: photos with you. It's so genuine, it's really it's unusual

748
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: actually from from my experience.

749
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: Well, it's different, it's difficult.

750
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 3: Like again, I think all of these things work because

751
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: of the age difference, right, I think as a as

752
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: a man that's the same age you can have competition

753
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: with each other.

754
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: I thought mine was supportive.

755
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,479
Speaker 1: I learned more about him during this divorce, so it's

756
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: refreshing to see that Sergio is so supportive of you.

757
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: I thought you were, you know, I have watching him back.

758
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: I thought he was supportive. I mean a little bit odd,

759
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: but I thought he was supportive.

760
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: I think he was supportive for the wrong reasons.

761
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: Actually, well, I mean, now we all know I found

762
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 3: out really is after but whatever. Yeah, but like again again,

763
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but thank god,

764
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: oh thank god, more more damage has been done.

765
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: I learned relatively about him and who he really is.

766
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: That I think was the hardest thing for me is

767
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: that finding the deep betrayal is unlike I can't I

768
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: don't even have words for it. It's almost numbing. So

769
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: that's been the hardest thing.

770
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: I truly think it's so scary and I don't want

771
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: to say it, but like I you know, I'm sure

772
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: you have been to the bathroom and scrubbed yourself a

773
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: million times. It's just get the man off me.

774
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I feel like he's a stranger. I feel

775
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: he didn't love me at all or even like me.

776
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, you.

777
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: Don't do it.

778
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: Well, let's just pray, let's just pray he did at

779
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: the beginning, Okay, well just when the first six months.

780
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. I mean, it's not

781
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: like your liver. I just I can't you like.

782
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: To do what he did publicly and the stuff he

783
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: has said about me is desperate. I know that you

784
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: don't do that to someone that you even remote. I

785
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that to an enemy, let alone someone that he's.

786
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: Nine years he hasn't got to it was it nine years.

787
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: We were married six and a half, but we were

788
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: together nine years, Denise. He never got a job in

789
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: all that.

790
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: Yes, he had a job, he had a business, and

791
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: so I don't understand all this. We were you know,

792
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: we got married in our forties. So anyway, that's a

793
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: whole I will talk more about this when my divorce

794
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: is final. Okay, let's get divorced and then we'll come back.

795
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: Hopefully very soon.

796
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: Ship yeah, oh my gosh, really quickly though we were

797
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: not going to say who it is.

798
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: Caroline. It was good for everyone. She wanted to set

799
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: me up with someone, but she was.

800
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: Like, we can't tell him who you are because I'm like, well,

801
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to just tell them. Just meet me

802
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: and be like what fu didn't you tell me it's her.

803
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: She's like, no, darling, no, you google you and no

804
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: that that is the red flag and they're not gonna

805
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: well you know.

806
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's why I love you. You're so honest.

807
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I think.

808
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: I'm so used to how bad the ship is out

809
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: there about me, and I'm like, I'm like, it's just nothing.

810
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: But but you're like on paper it's bad darky. Oh

811
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: he has to meet you at person and get to

812
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: know you. We can't tell anyone I know who you

813
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: are when we set them up with you.

814
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: Even my friends came to lunch, they were like, oh,

815
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: she's so lovely. We weren't expecting that. And I said,

816
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: I told you, like, I'm I'm a good egg.

817
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: I pick. I've got to do nothing. I picked. I

818
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: pick good people.

819
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: And you know, I was like, Denise, with older respect, with.

820
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: Respect, you're very blood sugar coat. That's what I love

821
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: about your British ass. And that is why it's so

822
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: funny and why there I love you because you're just

823
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, when you say something nice and complimentary, I

824
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: believe you because you don't hold back with anything that

825
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: could be perceived as bone.

826
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: Denise.

827
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: Denise said to me one day that she wants to

828
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: do her and I crossing America and like, you know,

829
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 3: like a Paris and Nicole, yes, and.

830
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: Uh, no money.

831
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: And I grew up in with a silver silver spoon,

832
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: and you grew up around castles in England. The castle

833
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: I saw growing up was a Disneyland, you know, so

834
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: I want to see how.

835
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 2: You really grew up and you can see how I grow. Yeah,

836
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that.

837
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: But one thing that you did say was somehow I

838
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 3: know I'm going to be carrying your.

839
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: Bags and and being your bitch.

840
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 3: And she would by the way she would carry her bags,

841
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 3: you could be fakep Yeah, for sure, your hair out.

842
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: I think we could. We've talked about so long.

843
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: Oh before I forget to we have to talk about Traders.

844
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: You are on one of my very favorite reality shows, Traders.

845
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: You and I talked.

846
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: Probably I'm so excited to see you on there.

847
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: You're so perfect for the show. So it starts. It

848
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 2: airs tomorrow tomorrow.

849
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: The eighth, but I'm coming to LA for the whole

850
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 3: month of February, so I'm going to see I'm excited.

851
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: You'll stuck with me for a while for the reunion

852
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 3: as well, so that would be amazing.

853
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: But it was one of the best experiences of my life.

854
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: I loved every minute of it, and it was really

855
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: essentially my summer holiday because it took place in June

856
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: and I was locked in a castle. So it was

857
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: really fun.

858
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: Now if you can't say this, that's fine. Do you

859
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: stay in the castle that we see on TV?

860
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: Okay, okay?

861
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: Is the breakfast is that looks on television? Because my

862
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: dad's a breakfast person. And as soon as I saw

863
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: an episode of the show, I call my dad, I go,

864
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: you gotta watch Traders because that spread they have in

865
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: that castle. I want to do the show just for

866
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: the breakfast.

867
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: Let's just put that out there. If anyone's listening. Denise

868
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: Terrible want to be on well, that's for.

869
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 3: Sure, traitors so that she can have the breakfast. Yes,

870
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: you you will be like you know who really made

871
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: me laugh? Because actually I will. I don't know if

872
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: I can say. I can't say this, Tara, she used

873
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: to go, She's to ask everybody who's talking about me?

874
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: Who's talking about me? And I?

875
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: Tara, Tara, it's traitors. Everybody's talking about you. Everybody is

876
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: talking about you. Everybody's talk about everybody. Let's just put

877
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 3: it there. You have to go in and not be sensitive.

878
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're sensitive?

879
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Look at what is that about me?

880
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: I don't I I can't.

881
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: Even you could say anything.

882
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: When you're in the same house, when you're in the

883
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: same house together, you take it.

884
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't. I mean, I've had the worst.

885
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: You might be here.

886
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what the stuff that has just said

887
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: about me just in the last six months.

888
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: It's I know, all right, whatever I did tell you

889
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: not to google yourself.

890
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't know myself. It's it's pretty it's my ex

891
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: saying that stuff. So I'm dealing with court stuff, so

892
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: I kind of know a little bit.

893
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: I have to read it. Well, I would say, I

894
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: do think you should go in.

895
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: I think if anyone is listening, if the traits ferries

896
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: are out, they actually did.

897
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: Ask me to do it.

898
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: It was I had already committed though, uh to Special Forces.

899
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: So oh yeah you should have done this. Yeah that's true.

900
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: We can do it as well. Get on and do it.

901
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: Denise, you'd be absolute TV gold and take take the

902
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: jacket with you.

903
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to take my jacket anyway. Well, I did

904
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: not have an affair, by the way with the guy

905
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: from Special.

906
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean, there you go. I've got a divorce. But

907
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: I never thought after I wrapped that.

908
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: Show, so oh that's all right, everybody we all have

909
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: nice male friends. You're allowed a male bloody friend. Everyone

910
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: is loud to friend. That's ridiculous. I have brothers.

911
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: We all can have well, but.

912
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: It's I mean, whatever it was. You know, I was

913
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: trying to get out.

914
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: Well there you different different. I didn't do any that.

915
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: Look, I would like to say that women and men,

916
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: when you're at the end of anything and nothing, when

917
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: you've had a long term relationship ends beautifully, one persons

918
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: before the other, and you do the best you can.

919
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: That's it, right, And I don't think you owe anyone

920
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: in explanation.

921
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I mean I question didn't even have said that,

922
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: but whatever, And it's not the reason why I got divorced,

923
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: by the way.

924
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: And by the way, blood you wish you had run

925
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: off with somebody at this point, me too. Yeah, so

926
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: I don't think, especially since.

927
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: I found out my ex. It's funny like when you

928
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: split with someone, everyone comes out of the woodwork and

929
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: a girlfriend.

930
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: He didn't have a girlfriend. He definitely there was multiple. Thanks, yeah,

931
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: not girlfriends.

932
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: I would exactly call it whatever, Yes, a.

933
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: Multiple, fantastic fantastic.

934
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: Well, but usually when someone maps accusing someone over and

935
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: over and over.

936
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: It's a mira exactly, it's a mira.

937
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: But you know again, you can beat yourself up and

938
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 3: go how stupid was I?

939
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 2: Or you can just say you know you trusted and no.

940
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: It gives me such clarity.

941
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: If there's ever, if there was ever I want, there

942
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: has never been that during this I've learned more during

943
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: the divorce than I did, you know, during the marriage.

944
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: So it's actually I'm in a very good place. I

945
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: always say the biggest lies are in marriages. It's amazing

946
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: how good.

947
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: People can become a lying Oh yeah, one person they're

948
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: meant to love the most. It is scary, It is

949
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: very scary. Yeah, but you know again, we've discussed this.

950
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: You won't do it again.

951
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna get married, and I anyone that says

952
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: never say never. And I wish I had something that

953
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: my mom and dad had. They were married until my

954
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: mom passed away. I will never have that because I

955
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: will never get married again.

956
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: And that's okay, That is okay. I chose I like

957
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,479
Speaker 2: partner with that, but I will never get married again.

958
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: And more and more women, by the way, it' choosing

959
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: that life anyway, So you.

960
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, exactly, thank you, But I need some time

961
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: before I get into a relationship.

962
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: Yes, you need a minute. I want to at least

963
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: be divorced, Chris, Yeah, fair enough, fair enough.

964
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for my dear dear friend for

965
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: being my very first guest of my very first posting

966
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: of a podcast.

967
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: And I couldn't have a better guest.

968
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: I'm so proud of you, and I'm so excited for you,

969
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 3: and I'm really excited to see what's next for Denise.

970
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: Thank you.

971
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: I don't wait to come and spend February with you,

972
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 3: and thank you for having me as your very first.

973
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: Thank you, and thank you for Torri for you know

974
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: whoever had the idea to ask me to host Tom

975
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: Thank you.

976
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 3: Yes I'm a massive Tory fan too that she's been

977
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: through it, so sending my love.

978
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for hosting me. Than thank you,

979
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: thank you, I love you. Thank you than you. Bye.