1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: The Orioles have zero chance of coming back and getting 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: back into this race because they don't have any pitching. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 2: You don't have pitching, you can't win. 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: Front Office on Filter time with our resident GM, Jim Bowden, JB. 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: Great to see you. 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 3: Let's start with Brandon Hyde fired by the Baltimore Orioles, 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: something that you told us about several weeks ago, and 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: that here we are. It happens. But now what for Baltimore? Right, 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 3: if you're in that seat, First of all, what are 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: you doing with this team? And second of all, do 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 3: you think that Michaelias is the guy moving forward for 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: this new ownership group to keep trusting. 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll give you my opinion here. I'm going 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: to start with this. 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: I text Michaelias after the news came out about the firing, 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: and I told them that I know it was a 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: difficult decision. I said, I think you did what had 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 1: to be done. At the same time, I know it's 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: the worst part of the job of being a GM 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: or a president is having to fire the manager or 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: releasing a player. It's the worst part because you're firing 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: a friend, you're firing a family, and although you think 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: the relationship can stay the same afterwards because it's a 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: business decision, it really doesn't, and so the whole process 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: is terrible. That being said, the important thing that I 26 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: text him afterwards was it's not about who you fired, 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: it's about who you hired or replace him, and the 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: difference and the impact that next person gives. Now, I 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: wasn't aware at the time that he was hiring Tony 30 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: Mancellini to be the interim manager for the rest of 31 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: the year. At the time, I did not think that 32 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: was what they were going to do. So let's talk 33 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: about when you fire a manager in season. What has 34 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: to happen one of two things. Either one, you better 35 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: win more games with the next manager than you did 36 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: with the one you have, or number two, you're making 37 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: the change because in order to win next year, you've 38 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: got to make the change now to prepare for it, 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: because the approach or the process or the plan or 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: the strategy that is implemented now isn't working and you 41 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: don't think is going to work. 42 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: So in this. 43 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: Particular case, the Orioles have zero chance of coming back 44 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: and getting back into this race because they don't have 45 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: any pitching. You don't have pitching, you can't win. I 46 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: don't care what your lineup looks like, it's not gonna happen. 47 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: And with the Orioles, you know you're looking at Corbyn 48 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: Burns is sitting in Arizona. Grayson Rodriguez is on the 49 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: injured list. Of your two best starters, Charlie Morton's OH 50 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: and seven with a seven six ERA, Kyle Gibson just 51 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: got designated for assignment with a sixteen ERA, and Dean 52 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: Kramer and kde Povich's eras a north of five, and 53 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: they're not gon Villa turned around with what they have. 54 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: They're just not. So the key is is the new 55 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: manager going to come in and make a difference. 56 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 4: Now? 57 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: When we heard Manzolini's comments after the game, and by 58 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: the way, he didn't talk to the media before the game, 59 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: only after the game, which made no sense. I was 60 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: shocked with the media said what was your message to 61 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: the team, and his response was I didn't have a message, 62 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: but I'll have one in the next couple of days. 63 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure, Well, what are you talking about. You don't 64 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: have a message. You've been there the whole time. You 65 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: don't have a message of telling the players that you 66 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: got the manager fired. You're not hitting, you're not pitching, 67 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: you're not catching the ball, or you don't have a 68 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: message to say, hey, we're gonna change things and this 69 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: is what we're gonna do. That's concerning to me. Now 70 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: you asked me what I would do, all right. Number one, 71 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: they don't have players in the right position, right, I mean, 72 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: Gunna Henderson should be at third, Jackson Holiday should be 73 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: at short, Westbrook should be at second. They should give 74 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: Mayo first base and curse that left field and let 75 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: them play every day so in November we. 76 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: Know if they can play or not, if they're gonna 77 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: hit or not. 78 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: It's okay to not platoon at every single position and 79 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: have all this quote unquote positional flexibility. So I think 80 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: they need a different approach here. Now, if I were 81 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: the GM, I would be hiring outside the organization to 82 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: bring in a different voice, a different approach, a non 83 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: b opinion. And whether that's a proven guy like Skip 84 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: Schumacher who won Manager of the Year with the Marlins, 85 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: or whether it's Aj Prazitski who brings that edge that 86 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: that clubhouse could use. To me, you had to bring 87 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: in somebody outside Scott And that's kind of how I 88 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: view the Orioles. 89 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: Can a manager who's forty two years old, never been 90 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 4: a manager that's now the interim manager for the entire 91 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 4: year make those decisions? Would you allow that as a 92 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 4: GM to be like, oh, well, what do you think 93 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 4: should be the changes? Because Michael Lias isn't going to 94 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 4: make those changes that you were talking about Gunner Henderson, 95 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 4: the third Jackson Holliday, But a guy like Manzo who's 96 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 4: been there should see that if he's going to take 97 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 4: the organization in a different direction. But could he make 98 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 4: those decisions or is he like, Wow, I'm so glad 99 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 4: I got this job. I'm a puppet. 100 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know what the case is and we're 101 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: going to find out. 102 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: But what I don't understand is if you're hiring him, 103 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: then I'm assuming you're hiring him to do things differently. 104 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: Right. 105 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Brandon Hyde did win games, one hundred games, 106 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: he didn't get the playoffs the last two years. He 107 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: did win Manager of the Year, Right, So this team 108 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: isn't winning, not only because of their pitching, but you know, 109 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: talk about the core players that aren't performing, right, Gunnar 110 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: Henderson sitting in two fifty eight ally Rutchman two nine, 111 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: Westburg two seventeen, Kowser one twenty five before he got hurt. Like, 112 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: your core guys aren't performing, that's the problem, because you 113 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: need the core guys to hit, so in the offseason 114 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: you're just fixing the pitching, Like you need this lineup, 115 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: these young players to play every day and to perform. 116 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: So I don't know what Tony's bringing to the table now, 117 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: I just from my experience, you know, I would rather 118 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: hire a veteran manager that's proven he can win, to 119 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: go in there and stabilize the situation, but come with 120 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: a different approach. 121 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 2: I want him to tell me what the plan is. 122 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: I want someone to be looking at this team and 123 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: telling me, hey, look, I don't this team's using too 124 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: much analytics, this team is too focused on what the 125 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: front office sending down to do, or these positions, these 126 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: players are out of position, or this is how I 127 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: would handle a bullpen differently, Like, I want the plan. 128 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 2: I want to know what you're going to do and why. 129 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: Because if I make a change, you don't make a 130 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: change just to make a change. 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I wasn't prepared for this, 164 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 5: So I get all this stuff you're saying, but this 165 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 5: is just kind of par for the course. It seems 166 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 5: like with the Orioles. How does Michael liias turn this around? 167 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 5: Because we've talked about it on here numerous times. Is 168 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 5: he a closer? Is he a finisher? 169 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 4: Right? 170 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, he got you lots of prospects, but he's scared 171 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 5: it to trade these prospects. He's scared to make the move. 172 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 5: In every move he made this offseason backfire right from 173 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 5: Tyler O'Neil, who's always been hurt. He's hurt again this year. 174 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 5: Right the pitchers he brought in at the end of 175 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 5: their at the end of their kind of career instead 176 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 5: of making the bold move. Yes, he did it for 177 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 5: Burns last year, but I thought they should have done 178 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 5: anything they could to make him stay in Baltimore. I 179 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 5: want to stay in Baltimore. They didn't do that. So 180 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 5: how long of a leash now does michaelas have Because Rubinstein, 181 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 5: you know, say what you want, but at some point 182 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 5: he's going to get tired of this and say, man, 183 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 5: I'm pouring money into a losing product. So now is 184 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,239 Speaker 5: it all on Michaelias? 185 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: Oh, it's all on Michaelias, and it's not a big leash. 186 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: He's got to do it right here, right now. When 187 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: you make a manager of change like this, when you 188 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: don't have a good enough team to turn around, now 189 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: it's on you. So make sure the manager you're hiring 190 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: is the right hire that's going to make an impact. 191 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: Make sure when you get to the trade deadline. Look, 192 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: this is a trade market. That is, it doesn't have 193 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: a lot of sellers that have a lot of assets 194 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: to trade. The Orioles will have a lot of assets 195 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: to trade, whether that's Ryan Mountcastle or Ryan O'Hearn or 196 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: Cedric Mullins or Philip's Bautista or Canoe Zach Efflin. They're 197 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: gonna have pieces the contending teams are going to want, 198 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, michae Elias. 199 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: If this team doesn't. 200 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: Turn around and win, which, as I've said, my opinion 201 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: is it can't because the pitching. Okay, you've got to 202 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: take these five or six assets that you have. You 203 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: need to turn him into twelve prospects. And you need 204 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: the new administration, the new field staff to come out 205 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: and get Gunner and Rutchman back to what they are, 206 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: which are all star caliber players. You need Holiday, which 207 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: they've done a good job with him. 208 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: Without a doubt. 209 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: The mechanics are much better getting rid of the big 210 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: leg cake and going to the toe tap. 211 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: That's been huge. 212 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: But look, you got to get Mayo and Kerstat delivering 213 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: you Those are two of your best prospects. Michael Lias 214 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: has to have them deliver. He has to stop platooning. 215 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: And when he makes a mistake like O'Neil and Sanchez, 216 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: you know. 217 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: What, fix it, move it go. 218 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: If somebody wants O'Neil to trade that line by like 219 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: he is on the clock, and if he's just going 220 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: to bring in Mansoline and then not make trades and 221 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: think this is going to turn around. 222 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 2: But guess what, Michael las will have a different job 223 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: with a different organization come Christmas. 224 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: Well, one of the things he can do with the 225 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 4: trade deadline trading Bautista up to the Phillies because clearly 226 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 4: Mike and He's got a he's got a express line 227 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 4: directly to Dave Dombrowski's phone, and Dave Dombrowski is definitely 228 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 4: looking for some pieces. With Alvarado getting his eighty game 229 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 4: suspension for trying to lose some weight. 230 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a good match, without a doubt. Now, 231 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: I think obviously it encouraged and encourage any thing with 232 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: the Phillies. How good Jordan Romano has been, right, hasn't 233 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: given it up a run his last eight appearances. We 234 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: know Matt Strom is an all star here, Orion Kirkery 235 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: has potential. We got to I don't know where the 236 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: walks are coming from and why he doesn't pitch ahead 237 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: a little bit more. I like Banks, He's done a 238 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: decent job, but there's not enough depth there. And so yeah, 239 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: I you know, look, I had Dave Debraski on my 240 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: radio show a week ago Sunday. He said, look, my 241 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: biggest need is a right handed reliever, and so look, 242 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: I know Dave, well, he'll go get that piece. I 243 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: think they were kind of eyeing Ryan Helsy, but now 244 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: that the Cardinals are in it, that probably won't be 245 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: an option. But besides your Oriels, there'll be a Kyle 246 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: finnagain of Washington available. There's always going to be relievers available. 247 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: Dave will get the depth there. But this Jose Alvarado test, 248 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: and I want to get you guys need to help 249 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: me kind of understand this because it's really annoying, I 250 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: think from a front office perspective when players never take 251 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: responsibility and we sit there and we make excuses like 252 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: we're taking a weight loss medicine, like anyone that's in 253 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: the world right now is either taking ozembic or way GOVI. 254 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: They're certainly not taking some pills. And by the way, 255 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: both of those those are available in the Dominican, Republican 256 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: and Latin America drug stores. Like I'm not under standing 257 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: why we keep making excuses like you know, he cheated, 258 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: he used the ped and I just it just drives 259 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: me nuts. And this is huge for the Phillies. What 260 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: was he seven for seven in conversions? I mean he 261 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: throws one hundred. When he's throwing strikes, he's deadly, and 262 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: now you won't have him for the postseason. 263 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. 264 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: It just drives me crazy, and I don't know why 265 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: players if you make a mistake, can't go to the 266 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: podium and just own up to it. 267 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: Drives me absolutely nuts. 268 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, but now you have a nine million dollar option 269 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 4: on this picture as a GM. You let him go? 270 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah bye, Yeah, I'll replace him. I'll spend the money elsewhere. 271 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: I'll spend six million more and get a better closer. 272 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: There's gonna be ten closers on this free agent market. 273 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: In fact, I have an article going up tomorrow on 274 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: the Athletic ranking the top seventy free agents in this 275 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: year's class. 276 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: There's ten closers out. 277 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: There that are going to be out there, and I'll 278 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: upgrade over Alvarado. 279 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 2: But I that's positive, by go do it somewhere else. 280 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: I had no interest. 281 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 5: Thank you, Jim, Thank you for saying what you just said, 282 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 5: because I said the same thing, like what weight loss? 283 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? Like that's where ringworm? With tatis? 284 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 5: Or I have ringworm? Like are we kidding? 285 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: Like? 286 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 5: Who are we kidding? 287 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 2: Here? 288 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 5: And then and then we get people that say, oh, well, 289 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 5: you know the Phillies guy said that he wasn't this guy. 290 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 5: Guess what you're this guy? You cheat it, You're a cheater. 291 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 5: I said when I was in Texas in twenty thirteen. 292 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 5: I love Nelson Cruz as a guy, but guess what 293 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 5: he got popped. Guess what he is. He's a freaking cheater. 294 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 5: And he said it was for a parasite in his 295 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 5: stomach or you know what. There's a million guys, please, 296 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 5: And I just said this. It comes in English, it 297 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 5: comes in Spanish, it comes in Japanese. They will tell 298 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 5: you over and over in spring training and throughout the year. 299 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 5: Don't take anything, guys that we don't approve, that doesn't 300 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 5: have NSF on the bottle. Make sure you only take 301 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 5: certain things. We'll give you. 302 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: Teams. 303 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 5: You know this, Big League teams will give you whatever 304 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 5: supplements you want. You want a weight loss drug. I 305 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 5: guarantee you. He could have gone to a doctor in 306 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 5: the Phillies somewhere and they would have said, hey, we'll 307 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 5: help you with this, whether it's nutrition, whether it's whatever 308 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 5: it needs to be. But don't give me like, oh 309 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 5: I didn't know what I was taking, and oh I 310 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 5: was trying to lose weight, because that doesn't fly because 311 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 5: there's too many resources out there. 312 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, verbally reposts everything you just said. I'm with you, 313 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: and I don't I don't tolerate it. You know, I 314 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,479 Speaker 1: don't want that in my clubhouse. 315 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 316 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: I don't care how good you're all get somebody else. 317 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: Culture matters to me. Integrity matters to me, so I 318 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: don't have to look at and watch it. I'm really disappointed. 319 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry for the Phillies, but no, I wouldn't pick 320 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: up the option. 321 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: Goodbye. Thanks. 322 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 4: All right, let's go across the cross the country to 323 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 4: the Dodgers. We had a kind of heated debate about 324 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: the Dodgers bringing up their prospect Dalton Rushing and getting 325 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 4: rid of Austin Barnes, saying, well, Dalton Rushing was doing this, this, 326 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 4: and this and triple A. He's been kind of squashed 327 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 4: behind there. Now we're going to bring him up to 328 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 4: be our backup catcher. To Will Smith, to me, they 329 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 4: made the wrong move. To me, they should have kept 330 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 4: Austin Barnes because if they need depth now, Dalton Rushing 331 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: has not been playing as a GM. Do you see 332 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 4: it differently. 333 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably do in this particular case. 334 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: You know, I kind of feel like, you know, you 335 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: have to stay young in this game, and I kind 336 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: of felt like the Dodgers held on to Chris Taylor 337 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: too long as an example, and I kind of feel 338 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: like with Dalton Rushing, it's unfair to or twenty four 339 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: year old kid that can hit at his level and 340 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: is decent behind the plate. It's unfair to continue to 341 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: have him blocked by a player that's not as good 342 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: as he is at this point. And I know how 343 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: important Barnes has been, and I know how you know, 344 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: great makeup pitchers love to throw to him. He was 345 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: Kershaw's personal cat. I get all that, but the truth 346 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: is it's not fair to Rushing. And if you know, what, 347 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: are you gonna keep him down at Early's thirty. I mean, 348 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: you know, at some point at twenty four years old, 349 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: when you've been there, there's no point in having in 350 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: that league. So either trade one of your catchers or 351 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: you got to make room. And they made the decision. Look, 352 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: this is something that a lot of teams are doing 353 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: right now. And I think what Andrew Friedman did was 354 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: look at his really good friend who used to work 355 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: for him in Atlanta Alexanthopolis, and he's watching how well 356 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: this Drake Baldwin, Sean Murphy. It's not they don't call 357 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: it a platoon, but you know, shared catching spot is 358 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: and I think the Dodgers have looked at this saying 359 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: that you know, sharing, you know, the catcher spot with 360 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: these two guys can work and will work, and it's 361 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: time to go there. And Rushing gives them a better 362 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: chance to win at this point in his career. 363 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: I think Barnes is thirty five. 364 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: Having the twenty four year old and getting younger gives 365 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: them a better shot to win. 366 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: And that's why they made it. It's just like Andy. 367 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: Poterass I thought last year, you know, they should have 368 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: moved on from Taylor and given it to Pahass. Then 369 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: they waited, and that's okay, But at some point guys 370 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: like Paus and Rushing need their pathway, need the runway, 371 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: and the front office has to open up the room. 372 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: So to me, to move Taylor and Barnes for Rushing 373 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: and Pahas, your team got better. 374 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: And you're doing the right thing for your prospects as well. 375 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 4: But do you call a prospect up that's not going Never? 376 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 4: Never has Rushing not gotten at bats? And to me, 377 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 4: you could put a lot of really good players into 378 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 4: non starting roles and they've become below average players. Isn't 379 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 4: there a fear of that, especially with the numbers that 380 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 4: Rushing was putting up playing every single day in the 381 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 4: minor leagues, now playing every other day. 382 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: No, I get that, and I think it's there. 383 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: But I think you got to ask yourself, what is 384 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: Barnes giving you coming off the bench in the games 385 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: that he catches, and how do you think that's going 386 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: to compare it to rushing. Yeah, it's going to be adjustment. 387 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: It won't be easy. And you know, look rookies that 388 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: have you know, the runways, and we look at Aaron 389 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: Judge who struck out fifty percent of the time his 390 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: rookie year, playing every day. Mike tried it. Under two 391 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: hundred is first call up playing every day. So it's 392 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: really it's really hard for rookie anyway, as you guys know, 393 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: I mean you guys are big leaguers. I mean, you 394 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: know how tough it is. You never see this kind 395 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: of pitching for nine innings every day until you get 396 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: to the big leagues. See only time you ever get 397 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: to see pitching of this level, and it's not easy. 398 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's going to be a challenge for Rushing. 399 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: But I think at the end of the day, again, 400 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: you have to look at the age, what he's done 401 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: in the farm system. He's not going to beat at 402 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: Will Smith and you're not going to make him the 403 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: everyday first Basement or DH. So the only pathway is 404 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: to back up Will Smith and play part time. So 405 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: you know, is it time to give him that opportunity? 406 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: And the answer is yeah, it is. So you know, 407 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: I agree with that decision. 408 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: I'm with you. 409 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: I was going against these guys, but I'm with you. 410 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: We'll let the debate ray John here. And I did 411 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: do a little extra homework over the weekend from some 412 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 3: people that are around the Dodgers every day, and they said, 413 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 3: don't sleep on the fact that Will Smith will sit 414 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: more than many other catchers will, and they would like 415 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: to see that going forward to to see if they 416 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 3: can optimize him being at his best towards the end 417 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 3: of the season. Not everyone's built like these two houses. 418 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 3: J Krattz. Some of these catchers are fading late in seasons, 419 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 3: becoming a trend, and then you're seeing really down performances 420 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,239 Speaker 3: from them in the postseason. So hey, not saying if 421 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 3: it's gonna work or not, but just throwing that out there. 422 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 3: That's what I heard from some people around the team JB. 423 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 3: Awesome stuff. Great to have you on. Appreciate it. 424 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: As always, we'll catch you soon. Thanks guys, appreciate it.