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Speaker 1: It's time to place your bets. Let's talk to the pros.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome back to the Betting Pros podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by bet MGM. I am your host, Dan

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Speaker 2: Harris with me is the other host of this podcast,

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Speaker 2: Joe Piez a Pa. We are here to take an

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Speaker 2: early look at the week eighteen NFL lines.

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Speaker 3: That sounds weird as it comes out of my mouth,

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Speaker 3: yet here we are. Joe. How's it going. How is

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Speaker 3: your week seventeen?

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Speaker 1: It was pretty good, actually, Danny boy, pretty good, good feeling.

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Speaker 1: I know when last we talked yesterday, I told you

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Speaker 1: it did look very good for that one remaining championship

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Speaker 1: I had, But then Nase Harris ended up coming through

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Speaker 1: in a big way, and all of a sudden, the

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Speaker 1: Browns forgot to use Nick Chubb. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the heck's going on with that, but that worked out

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Speaker 1: for me. The underdog finally won, and after being on

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Speaker 1: the wrong end of Jamar Chason two other finals, it

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Speaker 1: was nice to be on the right end of it

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Speaker 1: for a Jane. So that was a good feeling.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's weird to think Week eighteen it was

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Speaker 4: very surreal.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday We're looking at everything, and that's what I love

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Speaker 1: about the football season. There's times where it feels long,

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Speaker 1: but then you look up and it's over in a flash,

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Speaker 1: and it wants I don't know, it leads you kind

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Speaker 1: of wanting more, at least for me, so I am

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Speaker 1: sad to see it go, But at the same point,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of getting excited for the playoffs too, but

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Speaker 1: still a lot of important football to be played in

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Speaker 1: Week eighteen.

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Speaker 2: This week's going to be tough to navigate here, especially

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Speaker 2: as we do the look ahead, Joe, because it's very

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Speaker 2: clear just from taking a very quick gander at some

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Speaker 2: of the lines that Vegas clearly expects some teams to

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Speaker 2: be resting their starters, even teams that we don't know.

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Speaker 2: Because again, the only one I think, Joe, that we

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Speaker 2: absolutely know. You correct me if I'm wrong, is the Packers.

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Speaker 2: Right Like, we know Roger's not gonna play right now,

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Speaker 2: They've locked up the number one seed, he's got the tow.

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Speaker 2: We know it's going to be Jordan Love everybody else.

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Speaker 2: You know, you've got McCarthy out there saying we're gonna

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Speaker 2: play to win. That does that mean that Dak Prescott's

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Speaker 2: gonna play or are you going to play to win

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Speaker 2: no matter what, because again it's against the Eagles, they're

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Speaker 2: locked into a playoff spot as well, so we're going

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Speaker 2: I do thank the Steelers for that was one of

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Speaker 2: my favorite bets of the weekend. By the way, These

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Speaker 2: Steelers plus three and a half close that Browns plus one.

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Speaker 3: Once the Browns were eliminated from it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I know, and so then you get the

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin row Ross spot gone. But still thankfully they

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Speaker 2: came through in that one. But let's get to this week,

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Speaker 2: so I want to take a look at this, Let's

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Speaker 2: see what we can do. And again we're in a

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Speaker 2: weird spot where we're taking an early look at the lines.

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Speaker 2: But every line is tough, regardless of how you feel

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Speaker 2: about it right now because of the COVID situation right

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Speaker 2: because once a player tests positive, let's say on Wednesday

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Speaker 2: or Thursday, then they're not gonna be able to clear.

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Speaker 2: It's funny Joe the Eagles, he had the slew of

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Speaker 2: positive tests, but I think they all volunteered to take

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Speaker 2: the test on Monday, because if you get a positive

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Speaker 2: test on Monday, you can still clear even by Saturday

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Speaker 2: game which they have. But let's get into it. Let's

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Speaker 2: start with the Chiefs and the Broncos. That's a Saturday game.

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Speaker 2: That is one game that we know the Chiefs want

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Speaker 2: to play hard because they still have a chance for

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Speaker 2: the number one seed at least this is the time

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Speaker 2: they play. They'll need some luck here with the Titans losing,

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Speaker 2: but you've got the Chiefs now on the road against

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Speaker 2: the Broncos. Laying ten total is pretty miniscule. Forty four points.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we know, Joe unless unless I'm missing something,

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Speaker 2: whether or not Bridgewater is going to be able to

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Speaker 2: come back for this one, or whether it's going to

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Speaker 2: be Drew Locke under center once again. We should see

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Speaker 2: Jerry Judy back some of the receivers. So what do

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Speaker 2: you think of this one here? Ten points, forty four total.

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Speaker 4: Well, the ten sounds about right to me.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it feels pretty comfortable in my opinion, So

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Speaker 1: I would lean on the chief side of this game.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think Denver can compete at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day. And I know last week they were

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Speaker 1: to COVID and certainly Drew lock under center, has not

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Speaker 1: been a great thing for this offense. But overall, you know,

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Speaker 1: the forty four is a very tricky number because you

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Speaker 1: don't know how much offense you're going to get out

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Speaker 4: My guess is they'll show up for it. It's at home,

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Speaker 4: last game of the season.

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Speaker 1: I think Indivision opponents, when you close out the season

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Speaker 1: against them, there's always that respect factor right where you

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Speaker 1: you know what, it hasn't been a good season, We're

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Speaker 1: not going to the playoffs. We're gonna stick it to

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Speaker 1: you on the way out. So I think they're going

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Speaker 1: to show up. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I think they're overmatched. So actually lean towards the ten

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Speaker 1: about right. If it sorts to grow, I get worried,

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Speaker 1: but I think ten is about where I'm comfortable with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it. I think so as well. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna come out, they're gonna play as hard as possible.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna want to at the very least wash the

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Speaker 2: taste of that loss to the Bengals out of their

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Speaker 2: think we'll say it here regardless of Clyde Edwards Alia,

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Speaker 2: I don't really think it matters.

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Speaker 3: And again, they've.

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Speaker 2: Sort of already dealt with all the COVID issues, right

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Speaker 2: so Travis Kelcey, Tyreek Hill, you know they're gonna be

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Speaker 2: How about the Cowboys now against the Eagles, Joe, I

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Speaker 2: don't know what you do with this one, because I

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Speaker 2: think we have no idea who's going to play on

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Speaker 2: either side. The spread right now is seven for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: Forty two and a half is the total.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know it's a little tricky thing

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Speaker 1: point favorites in this game, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: This just feels weird to me. It feels like a

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm all over the Eagle side of this

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Speaker 1: one with the plus seven, and it's very puzzling because

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Speaker 1: what am I missing? But even if you think analysis

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like, oh, it's a slam dunk there

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Speaker 1: I don't love this number. There's certain times with the

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Speaker 1: know this year it's basically been unders, which has been

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Speaker 1: few years it's been over city in the NFL, so

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Speaker 1: defenses have kind of stepped up. But also I think

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Speaker 1: why you're getting that is the young quarterback play in

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Speaker 1: I think that's contributing to the unders. But if Dak

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Speaker 1: over on the forty two and a half. But right now,

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Speaker 1: the seven I think is the best number here.

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Speaker 2: Dan, I mean, I think it might be the fact

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Speaker 2: that the entire Eagles team is on the COVID list.

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Speaker 3: It's possible that that's factoring in.

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Speaker 2: It's possible because again, both we know Miles Sanders is

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Speaker 2: though Joe is absent, all those guys being out and

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Speaker 2: getting you test positive on a Monday, it's pretty easy

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Speaker 4: That's my thing too, is the jump on it early

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Speaker 2: And really Joe, like if Jalen Hurts rests here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm perfectly fine with Gardner Minshew and being able to

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Speaker 2: assume Zeke is going to rest. They should That probably

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Speaker 2: only benefits them of Zeke rest, to be honest, because I.

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Speaker 3: Think he's holding them back a little bit with the injury.

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Speaker 2: Then you know, I think whatever man Cooper Rush can

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Speaker 2: the over because I think both teams will still be

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Speaker 2: I think like the offense isn't going to be completely

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Speaker 2: in nep and I agree Eagles at home getting seven yeah,

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Speaker 2: long out, I lean that way, all right, So the

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Speaker 2: Colts have to win a game against the Jaguars. They

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Speaker 2: probably will win the game against the Jaguars, and they're

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Speaker 2: favored by a mere fifteen and a half points at

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Speaker 2: this one. The total, Man, this is sometimes where our

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Speaker 2: refresher page and moves it forty four forty four total,

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Speaker 2: fifteen and a half over under Joe, twenty eight and

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Speaker 2: a half TEMs for johnthan Taylor.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what do you do with the spread this

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Speaker 3: big at this point?

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I think you just take the individual props on

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Speaker 1: this game instead, if you want to bet on this game,

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Speaker 1: that's what you do. As you were mentioning, you know,

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Speaker 1: you take the Jonathan Tailor numbers because he's pushing for

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Speaker 1: you know, a huge watermark there in terms of rushing total,

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Speaker 1: getting him to that number potentially. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: the route we're going. It's more the individual numbers here

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Speaker 1: than it is the fifteen and a half. Look, once

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Speaker 1: you go over twelve, it gets very dicey for me

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Speaker 1: in terms of that number, specifically twelve and a half.

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Speaker 1: Then you get to the thirteens, You're like, Okay, well

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Speaker 1: this has gotta be a huge blowout, and the Cults

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Speaker 1: are a superior team, But anytime you go on the road,

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Speaker 1: it's always a little lesser. If this was in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: I think the fifteen and a half would be more

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Speaker 1: comfortable for me. But instead I was just gonna stay

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Speaker 1: away from the fifteen and a half, stayway with from

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Speaker 1: the forty four, and I just would individually look at

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor props for this game, and maybe some other

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Speaker 1: You know, some of the unders that you might get

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Speaker 1: I think that's just a far safer investment.

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Speaker 2: You know, the most likely scenaro for this game, right,

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Speaker 4: So the ten and a.

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Speaker 1: Half slightly tenuous. I think the forty three actually is

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Speaker 4: In week eighteen. You can get a lot of defenses that.

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Speaker 1: Are going home right, A lot of guys just don't

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Speaker 4: Where am I going?

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Speaker 1: It's week eighteen, we're not in the playoffs, so you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think I think this is the

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Speaker 2: Bears are visiting the vikings. The vikings are laying two

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Speaker 2: and a half points. The totals forty four and a

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Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, I think the Vikings will show some respect

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Speaker 4: I really do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you assume they're gonna get Kirk Cousins back.

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Speaker 1: We hope, we assume it's going to be the point, right.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we've got a word on that yet today,

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Speaker 4: And this has been a very difficult year for the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: And I think if they blow this game here at

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Speaker 4: But Dan, what do you think?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the Vikings are just going to

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Speaker 3: No, this does not strike me.

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Speaker 2: If anything, you could see the Bears in a game

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Speaker 2: which is you don't want it to get to three,

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Speaker 2: I do think this is a game that you might

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Speaker 2: So I think that you're going to be in relatively

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Speaker 2: It seems like a game that Cousins might thrive. So

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Speaker 2: we're in agreement with this one. And this is one

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Speaker 2: of the ones, Joe, that I do feel comfortable betting

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Speaker 2: the totals forty four. Again, not sure who we're going

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Speaker 3: Is going to be Jordan Love.

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether or not you throw Love out there,

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Speaker 2: like be like all right, Bud, good luck. Let's see

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Speaker 2: what you can do without DeVante Adams and without like

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Speaker 3: So how you analyze this one, Joe? But what do

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Speaker 4: Yeah, these are the games that to me are typically

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Speaker 1: You know that they're resting starters. You know this game

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Speaker 1: I'm perfectly confident that they can just win that game outright,

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Speaker 4: Oh five on the two and a half.

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Speaker 1: Like, if you just think they're gonna win or even

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think in Detroit, Detroit cares.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: You know, I probably will take these stay away from

438
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Speaker 2: its side, just because I don't want to force myself

439
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Speaker 2: to be rooting there is right, But.

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Speaker 3: I do think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Lions can obviously, given the fact that

442
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Speaker 2: the Packers are just going to kind of take their

443
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Speaker 2: foot off the gas, make.

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Speaker 3: Sure everybody gets out of there healthy.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a decent chant to the Lions, who

446
00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,520
Speaker 2: you know are going to play hard, as you said,

447
00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,480
Speaker 2: basically from the start to the finish, can win this game.

448
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I like it, Joe. The Ravens and the

449
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Speaker 3: Steelers three and a half.

450
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Speaker 2: Right now, the Ravens are laying three and a half points,

451
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Speaker 2: the totals forty two, so both teams are mathematically alive

452
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Speaker 2: for a playoff spot basically for lack of it, just

453
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Speaker 2: for simplification purposes. They need the Colts to lose to

454
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Speaker 2: the Jaguars. That's what has to happen. And then I

455
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Speaker 2: think you have a decent chance at the winner of

456
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Speaker 2: this game going to the playoffs if that happens. And

457
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Speaker 2: again the Colts are fifteen and a half point favorites. Nevertheless,

458
00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,480
Speaker 2: they both still have something to play for it they

459
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Speaker 2: probably play hard regardless three and a half points right now. Now,

460
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Speaker 2: there are some four and a half shoke bet MGM

461
00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,600
Speaker 2: are sponsors at four and a half, but FanDuel obviously

462
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Speaker 2: DraftKings and the consensus line three and a half points more.

463
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Speaker 3: Laying it again. I'm not sure about you, Joe.

464
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Speaker 2: I don't expect to see Lamar Jackson this game, just

465
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Speaker 2: given how much he was limping and right, so I

466
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Speaker 2: assume it's going to be Tyler Huntley again.

467
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Speaker 3: What do you think I.

468
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Speaker 4: Run away from this game? In division game? I don't

469
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Speaker 4: anything to do with it.

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Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger's last game is a Steeler and he is

471
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Speaker 1: a very emotional thing. I worry about the letdown after that,

472
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Speaker 1: after last night, because that's a very emotional thing. You

473
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Speaker 1: go through that and oh wait, you've got one more

474
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Speaker 1: game next week and you gotta get on the road

475
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Speaker 1: and get up for it again. That's always difficult. Taking

476
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson out of this game is difficult. Huntley has

477
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Speaker 1: played relatively well considering the situation he's been in, but

478
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Speaker 1: my lack of faith in these two teams is just

479
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Speaker 1: stunning at this point. So I just don't want anything

480
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Speaker 1: to do with this game. And it's gonna be an

481
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Speaker 1: entertaining football game because I think these two teams will

482
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Speaker 1: play it out because that's where these coaches come from.

483
00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,960
Speaker 1: They come from that world of hey, you know what,

484
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Speaker 1: you go play, you take care of your business and

485
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Speaker 1: then if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out.

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Speaker 4: But you know, like from a veteran coaches like Tomlin,

487
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Speaker 4: Harbaugh too, the best.

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Speaker 1: In the business, that these guys are gonna show up,

489
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Speaker 1: They're gonna play. It's an indivision matchup each other anyway.

490
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Speaker 1: So to me, that that makes four outcome games, right,

491
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Speaker 1: which I always talk about is the worst thing.

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Speaker 4: Could this be a blowout on either side? Yep? Okay,

493
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Speaker 4: that's two.

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Speaker 1: Could this be a really close game potentially and low scoring,

495
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Speaker 1: Yeah it could. Could it be a very close game

496
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Speaker 1: in high scoring considering the way these defenses have played

497
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Speaker 1: at times this year?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, Could you know what? That's four outcomes? That's

499
00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,360
Speaker 4: three too many for me, So I am out when

500
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Speaker 4: it comes to this game.

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Speaker 2: I will probably talk myself by the time Joe the

502
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Speaker 2: Best Bets podcasting taking the Steelers for a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 3: Number one, Steelers road underdog by more than a field

504
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Speaker 3: goal late in the season.

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Speaker 2: It's like your absolute run to back Mike Tomlin, spot

506
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Speaker 2: here with it. These two teams historically play within like

507
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Speaker 2: a three point game. No matter how mismatched they seem

508
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Speaker 2: to be, they somehow always play it close, but I don't.

509
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Speaker 3: Really want a bet it. But I just visited the

510
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Speaker 3: type of game i'd be like, you know, it's.

511
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Speaker 1: More I mean, but forget the field goals and stuff too.

512
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Speaker 1: But just think about all these times at Harbaugh two

513
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 1: has gone for these miss two point conversions and these

514
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,919
Speaker 1: weird things have happened, and that just crushes the lines

515
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 1: in these games because they are such tight, evenly matched

516
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Speaker 1: teams to begin with. If anything, the forty two and

517
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Speaker 1: the over because of it's week eighteen, that's the one

518
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Speaker 1: where I think you can make the strongest case for

519
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Speaker 1: if you want to get involved in this game.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of the safety net for me.

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Speaker 1: But I would rather just be out because I could

522
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Speaker 1: easily see this be twenty seventeen slugfest again anyway, and

523
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Speaker 1: god knows that's basically what it was last time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an ugly game to watch.

525
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Speaker 2: But what I really want, Joe is I want, like

526
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Speaker 2: the Jaguars to.

527
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Speaker 3: Have a lead on the Cold in the third.

528
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Speaker 2: Quarter and to watch those two teams sort of dealing

529
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Speaker 2: with that be like we're alive.

530
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Speaker 3: Whoever can win a game only a mother could love?

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Speaker 2: Joe is Washington visiting the Giants laying six and a

532
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Speaker 2: half points.

533
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Speaker 3: The total is thirty eight and a half.

534
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Speaker 2: We know that Mike Lennon is now out for the season,

535
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Speaker 2: so it's going to be Jake Crumb. I'm not really

536
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Speaker 2: sure that matters. The Giants are a mess, Washington is

537
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Speaker 2: a mess. Everybody is a mess. You just run away

538
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 2: from this game.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't, because I think the Giants are more

540
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Speaker 1: of a mess than anyone I think. I mean, the

541
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Speaker 1: Giants are a far greater embarrassment to me as a

542
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Speaker 1: football team than the Jets are. Like, if you're talking

543
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Speaker 1: about New York teams, the Jets look like a team

544
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Speaker 1: that you see. Okay, there's some things going in the

545
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Speaker 1: right direction here. I don't think anything's going in the

546
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Speaker 1: right direction for the Giants. Seikwon Barkley's not going in

547
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Speaker 1: the right direction. The quarterback position is not, the defense isn't.

548
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Speaker 4: The coach. I don't see how this isn't. I don't

549
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Speaker 4: care what anybody says.

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Speaker 1: I don't see how this is not a clean sweep

551
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Speaker 1: of this front office and this coaching staff.

552
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Speaker 4: And it's a complete rebuild and pull down.

553
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Speaker 1: And as much as the Washington football team has had issues,

554
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: They've also a team that makes mistakes and it hurts

555
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Speaker 1: them because they can't come back from it. They don't

556
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Speaker 1: have the kind of offense to come back from mistakes. You know,

557
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Speaker 1: they're in a lot of games. They're competitive, but unlike

558
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Speaker 1: the Lions who don't have the personnel, they have personnel,

559
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Speaker 1: they just make mistakes. I mean, powers Will looked pretty

560
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Speaker 1: good last week two a time, so I think that

561
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Speaker 1: they should win this football game.

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Speaker 4: Six and a half is a big number.

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Speaker 1: But considering there's a good chance you're gonna get a

564
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Speaker 1: score on defenseye, that's the thing I always look at too.

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Speaker 1: I always feel like if you get a defensive score

566
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Speaker 1: in a game that you don't love, that is definitely

567
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Speaker 1: the one where it makes you feel much better. And

568
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Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance either a you know,

569
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Speaker 1: a pick six or you know, a fumble recovery or

570
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Speaker 1: something like that where From gets hit or From turns

571
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Speaker 1: the ball over and it either gives a really good

572
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Speaker 1: field position or a defensive touchdown that to me, all

573
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, the six and a half becomes a

574
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Speaker 1: more comfortable number. So I actually feel better about Washington

575
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Speaker 1: than I then you would have thought anyone should but

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Speaker 1: you know, once again, I understand people's hesitancy to invest

577
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Speaker 1: in them.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense there's a zero present chance I will

579
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Speaker 2: invest in either one of these teams. At that number,

580
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Speaker 2: I could see teasing Washington down to half a point,

581
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Speaker 2: like making them part of a two team teaser, saying

582
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Speaker 2: all right, I trust you're gonna win the game. Somehow

583
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 2: might be disgusting, but I trust you're gonna win the game.

584
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Speaker 2: But I do think that Vegas knows that, like this

585
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Speaker 2: is a prime sort of like, Okay, let's see what

586
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Speaker 2: you can do here. I don't know, man, I think

587
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Speaker 2: Washington is obviously it's not.

588
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Speaker 3: The world football team in the world. And they went

589
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Speaker 3: on this big run.

590
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Speaker 2: Obviously for a while they started off terrible, then they

591
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Speaker 2: went in a run.

592
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 3: Now they're falling apart a little bit.

593
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Speaker 2: But man, the Giants, as you said, Joe, right now,

594
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 2: might be the most dysfunctional organization in the NFL, now

595
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: that the Jaguars have fired Urban Meyer. So yeah, one

596
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Speaker 2: of the few times I'm happy to be a Jets fan.

597
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Speaker 2: Of the of the two options, Bengals are visiting the Browns.

598
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Speaker 2: The Browns right now are one point favorite with its

599
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Speaker 2: level forty three. So I think what that says to

600
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Speaker 2: you is Vegas is expecting the Bengals to rest all

601
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Speaker 2: their starters, because I don't think.

602
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Speaker 1: That line literally as we're sitting here, I'm looking at

603
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Speaker 1: it went on FanDuel from one.

604
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Speaker 4: To two and a half just now.

605
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Speaker 1: Oh really, It's like you speak to the gods of

606
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Speaker 1: wagering and it literally changed in front of my face.

607
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Speaker 1: I've never seen that before in all these years of

608
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Speaker 1: doing it. Were actually literally just changed because it was

609
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Speaker 1: kind of cool.

610
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Speaker 4: It just went boo and they just changed.

611
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Speaker 2: Like, I mean, I did see someone in apps. So

612
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Speaker 2: I wonder, I mean, you, I think we can Here's what.

613
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Speaker 3: I think we probably know about this game. Number one.

614
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Speaker 2: I think we can be pretty confident that Bigger is

615
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: not gonna play in this game. The way he's talking

616
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Speaker 2: about the fact that like it's time for the surgery

617
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: and we'll see about this and blah blah blah blah.

618
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Speaker 2: So my guess is he's gonna have surgery. I don't

619
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Speaker 2: really know if that's a downgrade when you've got case kingum.

620
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Speaker 3: Also, Joe, we mentioned Nick Chubb. It did sound like

621
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Speaker 3: he was a little banged up in that game with

622
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Speaker 3: his rips.

623
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Speaker 2: He did come back in and play, but Stefanski finally

624
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Speaker 2: came out, even though on the broadcast they were like,

625
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Speaker 2: nothing's wrong, He's totally fine.

626
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Speaker 3: Did sound like got banged up?

627
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't be that surprised to see him sit in this

628
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: game either, But again, if you're the Bengals, given the

629
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Speaker 2: fact that Burrow on the very end of that game

630
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Speaker 2: got you know, his knee, was all like, what what

631
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Speaker 2: impetus do you have to play him? Like rest everybody, MVP.

632
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Speaker 4: That's the only impetus you have.

633
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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think win the MVP? Jode?

634
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Speaker 4: You know, I don't. I don't think he's going to.

635
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Speaker 1: But it's funny, Dan, I think he's gottually made a

636
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Speaker 1: really strong case at the end. Yeah, because it's really

637
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Speaker 1: I mean, the packers of this culture of winning. You know,

638
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Speaker 1: Brett Favre passed the torch on to Aaron Rodgers and

639
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Speaker 1: they've been a very high quality organization for a long time.

640
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: The Cincinnati Bengals haven't won a playoff game in twenty years.

641
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a whole other situation we're dealing with,

642
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Speaker 1: And it's funny to be because the other question I

643
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: actually wanted to pose this to you, and I was

644
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Speaker 1: gonna hold it, but now since we're in it, we

645
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: might as well ask this question.

646
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Speaker 4: Did the Antonio Brown incident help or hurt Tom Brady's

647
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Speaker 4: MVP candidacy. I'm curious what your thoughts are about that?

648
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Speaker 3: Oh interesting?

649
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Speaker 2: Uh, well, I mean I think the fact that he

650
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Speaker 2: won that game and that he threw it to Cyahl Grayson,

651
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: you know, might be fine. It's a narrative award, Joe,

652
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Speaker 2: as we have talked about, which is something that you

653
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Speaker 2: take into account, as you and I have talked about

654
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Speaker 2: before with Rogers about the media narrative with it, and

655
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: you know Brady. The reaction Joe to Brady's sort of

656
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: we should all have empathy.

657
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 3: We don't know what he's going through. Stuff like that.

658
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 2: It's actually, I don't know about you, Joe. It's been mixed.

659
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: From what I've seen. There are a lot of people

660
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: lauding him.

661
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: There are a lot of.

662
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: People saying you shouldn't defend Antonio Brown under and he circumstances.

663
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 4: He's the guy that brought him in the first place, correct.

664
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: The guy.

665
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 4: Right.

666
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: People are saying maybe he's an enabler and stuff like that.

667
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 2: But I've seen it Cup both waves, like I've seen

668
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: it say oh, this is a good guy. I really

669
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: don't know, but I do think, Joe, if you give

670
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: it based on a performance, and this is something you

671
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: and I have talked about on another podcast, it's really tough.

672
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: I think to give it to a quarterback who's not

673
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers based on what he did this year, even

674
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 2: though he won it last year, and even though he's

675
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: not going to play in you know, week eighteen most likely.

676
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: So the media is looking for an out like they're

677
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: a little fatigued of Rogers, they're fatigued of Brady.

678
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 4: Sure, Joe Burrow is like, hey.

679
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: Do we want to make a new star because Joe

680
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: Burrow's changed the culture.

681
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow came.

682
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny Dak Prescott was that Locke for

683
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: Comeback Player of the Year, right, Yeah, All of a sudden,

684
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: that went from minus six hundred on Dak Prescott to

685
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: minus two hundred and now it's plus one fifty for

686
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, And all of a sudden, you start wondering

687
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: this groundswell of this change of culture with the Bengals,

688
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: is there a.

689
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 4: Time here now? All of a sudden, where there's a

690
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 4: choice here the media has to make.

691
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: Where do we keep giving hardware to these guys or

692
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: do we say, let's look ahead a little bit and

693
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: think about this guy took the Bengals coming off knee surgery,

694
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: a team that nobody gave him a shot, and they

695
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: won the division. I think there's a pretty good narrative

696
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: starting to build there, and I wonder that's a coming

697
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: full circle. That's the question is do you put them

698
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: out there, have the stats with this injury and say no,

699
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: I'm going out there and I'm playing because you know

700
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: it's important for us to finish the season strong. And

701
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: that's the Browns and we want to beat them. I

702
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: don't know, even if it plays two quarters of football,

703
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: if that's enough maybe to build that narrative, because it's

704
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: an interesting one to listen to.

705
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: I think it's a fair point. I think there are

706
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 3: two things.

707
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: I think one, I think that the neat especially give

708
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 2: them the fact that he got banged up in that

709
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: game against the Chiefs. I think that outweighs because the

710
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: anfc's opened Joe right like the Titans probably gonna be

711
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: the number one seed, and nobody thinks.

712
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: The Titans are a world beat or anything like that.

713
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 4: I don't like anybody thinks they're the best of the

714
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 4: team that are in there.

715
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: And the Bengals just beat the Chiefs, so I think

716
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: they probably go in there and saying there's no reason

717
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 2: we can't win a super Bowl, and I think that

718
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: outweighs everything else.

719
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: The second thing is, Joe, I think if you do want.

720
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: To pivot, you have other alternatives in the MVP discussion

721
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: to Jonathan Taylor, to Cooper Cup and I think with

722
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: the Bengals, they're gonna win, you know, offensive Rookie of

723
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: the Year with Chase. They're probably gonna win Coach of

724
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: the Year in Zach Taylor, right. I mean that that's

725
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: sort of what we're looking at at this point.

726
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: They don't need the Borough MVP. Burrow's got time.

727
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: I think I don't think Taylor is gonna win that award.

728
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 3: Really, I think so who else?

729
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: I Again, I still think I still think Belichick deserves.

730
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 4: It because take a rookie.

731
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: When you took a rookie quarterback and you win eleven games,

732
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: which is what I think they're going to win, that's stunning.

733
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: A year after losing Tom Brady and that's coaching and

734
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: what they've done with this defense and having all those

735
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: players that were on COVID or you know, last year,

736
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: and kind of retooling this this team and rebuilding it

737
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: with a bunch of no name players for the most part,

738
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: and a really good defense and rookie quarterback. I mean,

739
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: if you give Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, I mean

740
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: they have the best wide receiver corps possibly in the league.

741
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: You know, Cincinnat's got a lot of talent on the

742
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: offensive side of the football, and we're the best young quarterbacks.

743
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not knocking Mac Jones, but he ain't Joe Burrow,

744
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: and Mac Jones is a nice young quarterback. But I

745
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: don't know, man like I still think Vrabel, I still

746
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: think Belichick. I still would put all of those guys ahead,

747
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: because what the job that Vrabel's done this year with

748
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: losing Derek Henry, losing Yo Jones, losing to the Jets,

749
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: losing all these things, and it's still being the number

750
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: one seed. I think he has a stronger kandacy than

751
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: even Taylor.

752
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: So I again, it's a media award.

753
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: And I will say this, if the Patriots somehow win

754
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: the division which I don't think they will because it

755
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: requires them to win in the Bills to lose, then

756
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: I think that Belichick will win it.

757
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: But I mean we're talking about the Bengals, Joe.

758
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: How many people took the Bengals to win this division.

759
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: We talked about the Steelers, he talked about the Ravens,

760
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: you talked about the Browns. For them to come out

761
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 2: there and win again, I think when you look at

762
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: whatever they're over under was coming into the year, and

763
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: for them to win this division, who knows, So who

764
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: knows regardless, But it's I mean, all of this came

765
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: from the fact that we were talking about whether or

766
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: not Burrow will play in this game, and I think

767
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: bottom line is this, I don't think we might win

768
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: him the MVP will outweigh the holy crap, we can

769
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: win the entire You're probably right.

770
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: But that's the only thing. If he's like no, then

771
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: he's fine. It just got banged up in that thing

772
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: and it's not a big deal. I mean, Joe Burrow

773
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: is that kind of dude. I think we learned that

774
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: about him in college too. He's that swagger kind of dude.

775
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: Some of those guys, you know, they just want to

776
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: play sometimes.

777
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 5: If I'm not if I'm if I'm a coach Joe,

778
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 5: if I'm the coach of the Bengals and I put

779
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow out there and Joe Burrow gets injured and

780
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 5: misses the playoff game in a game that's meaningless.

781
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: Man, that's a tough that's a tough you are going

782
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: to get into tough.

783
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: I think Burrough plays than Baker Mayfield has that though.

784
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: I do think that's true. I think that's true.

785
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: Well, I wonder maybe maybe we again, if the line

786
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: just moved for you at fandled you know, Myson half

787
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: maybe who knows, Maybe they're saying something. All right, let's

788
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: get to the game that really everybody wants to watch.

789
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: Jets at the Bills seventeen points, Joe seventeen points here

790
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: for the spread, I'm not sure if that's enough.

791
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: Forty three and a half. Yeah, I love it.

792
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: I love when you got the you know, the total

793
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: is twenty four and the Bills are seventeen points, right,

794
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: Like that's basically where we are.

795
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: What do you think here?

796
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: The Bills obviously need to win to win the division,

797
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: so they're not going to be not gonna be playing lightly.

798
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: Maybe the Jets get Elijah Moore back here.

799
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 4: What do you think I take the Jets sixteen and

800
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 4: a half without hesitation.

801
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 3: There's and a half at Fandles.

802
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 4: Sixteen and a half is an enormous number, and the

803
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 4: Bills have not.

804
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, Dan, do you get the feeling that

805
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: you have a confidence level on the Bills when you

806
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: watch them play?

807
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: Because I don't. I don't.

808
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they're a really good football team, and I

809
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: think their football team that started to believe the press cluppings

810
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. They had a key injury on defense.

811
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: They haven't quite been the same since they let Atlanta

812
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: hang around that game far too long. Last week they've

813
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: lost to the Jaguar, Like they have this thing about

814
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: them where it just feels like if you told me

815
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: that we looked up and the Jets beat the Bills

816
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: and the Patriots won that division, it would not shock

817
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: me at all. Like I would say, yeah, it would

818
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: be surprising, but I wouldn't walk around say, well, that's

819
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: impossible because of everything I've seen from the Bills and

820
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: now dominant they've been. They're not a dominant team. They're

821
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: a very talented team, and it's not the same thing.

822
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: Dominant team and a talented team very different. You love

823
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: the teams that go out there and dominate like the

824
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: Chiefs did a couple years ago, where they're just crushing everybody, right,

825
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: that's a dominant team. This Bills team this year feels

826
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: like it's very human and at times it gets it

827
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: looks like it gets frustrated with itself. Like even I

828
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: remember watching a sequence in that game against Atlanta where

829
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: Josh Allen the goal line a couple times that he

830
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: were struggling to get the ball, and you could.

831
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: See the frustrations.

832
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just it seems like it's bubbling over

833
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: for them, and I think they're tense. I feel like,

834
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: and that's always the worst thing. The Bengals are playing

835
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: fast and loose, right. The Jets don't care like certain

836
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: teams are, like whatever, we don't care. If it's all

837
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: house money here. It's not house money for the Bills.

838
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: And I think that pressure has taken its toll on

839
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: them this season. So I'm not saying the Jets are

840
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: gonna win. It's plus eight ten. If you want to

841
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: have fun and do that, go for it.

842
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 4: But I do not feel great about the sixteen and

843
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: a half.

844
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: Like, I don't think it's gonna be some blowout game

845
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: where the Jets just don't show up at all.

846
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 4: I think they do.

847
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: It's probably a stay away from me, But I think

848
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: you're right.

849
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: I think that at any given point, Joe, you could

850
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: see the Bills probably beat anybody in football if everything

851
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: goes correctly in a single game. But I agree with

852
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: you that there just seems to be something missing a

853
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: little bit right now with where they are. And maybe

854
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: it's a regression from Josh Allen as he hasn't looked

855
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: nearly as good. But the fact that they did not

856
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: absolutely just completely decimate from the word go the Atlanta

857
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: Falcons in a game at home where I mean Matt

858
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: Ryan outdoor is like they should have won that, you know, walk,

859
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: It should have been over from the word go.

860
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: And one of the Jets hung with the Tampa Bay

861
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: Bucks last week, and the Jets are huge confidence builder

862
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: for them.

863
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, they can and they should. They

864
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: would have won that game. I had not Zach Wilson

865
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: decided he's going to do a QB sneak.

866
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: From like three yards away on fourth down, they would

867
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: have won a game. But I agree, and Wilson is

868
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: playing better. They may get back Elijah more here, so

869
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: it's definitely conceivable that they will hang with the Bills

870
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: enough to at least cover that spread. But it's still

871
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: something where if the Bills win by twenty four, I

872
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 2: would not be shocked in any way, shape or form.

873
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: So it's probably say it for me, but I agree

874
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: with you, Joe. If I had to go one way

875
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: right now, it's seventeen. For me, it's sixteen and a half.

876
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: With a lot of books, I'd lean with the Jets

877
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: of either of those numbers. How about the Seahawks visiting

878
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: the Cardinals Now it's six and a half. Cardinals do

879
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: not play well at home, but again six and a

880
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: half forty eight total. Seahawks bounce back a little bit,

881
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: you know, in a soft matchup last week. So did

882
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: the Cardinals against the Cowboys. But again this is at

883
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: home right now, What do you think.

884
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: Is another team like Arizona. Cardinals don't make me feel

885
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: warm and fuzzy. I mean, they just don't. I know,

886
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: they won last week, but Dallas should have won that

887
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: football game numerous times.

888
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: Like that's the thing you go back on and you

889
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 4: go you know, tell really miss.

890
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: An opportunity here to put kind of the nail on

891
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: the coffin for the Cardinals. So I don't have faith

892
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: in either of these teams. This game is oother stay

893
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: away from me. And it's weird because the line is

894
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: so confident on the Cardinals side.

895
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 4: But this is the classic.

896
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: Indivision you know, we're gonna stick it to you on

897
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: the way out that I was talking about earlier. If

898
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: there's a team and a coach and a quarterback that's

899
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: in position to do that, it's the Seahawks. So if anything,

900
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: the six and a half on the Seahawks side, Cardinals

901
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: probably eke out a victory here. But six and a

902
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: half feels like a big number to me. And and

903
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: the Cardinals offensively are not prolific, Okay, they are not,

904
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, putting up thirty five points a game looking

905
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: just unbelievable like that, that's not who they are right now.

906
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: So I just have a hard time believing that they're

907
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: just gonna win this in a cakewalk, and the line's

908
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: telling you that. So I like the Seattle side on

909
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: the six and a half.

910
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: Personally, I probably would if I were forced to go

911
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: one way back to the Seahawks, just because, again, you're right,

912
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: the Cardinals do not seem you know, whether it's Hopkins

913
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: or whatever is going on, they just don't seem as

914
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: strong offensively as they were obviously earlier in the season.

915
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 3: Seawks certainly look a little better.

916
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure they want to win this last one and

917
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: again a second divisional game, Joe. They're always They're just

918
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: always tough. They're always a little tighter than you expect

919
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: them to be in this one.

920
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 3: So I'm with you. I lean the Seahawks.

921
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: Probably not one I want to bet regardless, but if

922
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: I had to, if it was your money, Joe, I

923
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 2: would probably take it with the Seawks. Saints are visiting

924
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: the Falcons. Saints are laying four and a half points here,

925
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: and the total is forty forty points. Remember the Falcons

926
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: had the you know, big game against the Saints earlier

927
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: in the season when they expected to get rocked, and

928
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: they played pretty well.

929
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: So what do you think.

930
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 4: Here there's another game?

931
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: Two is not appealing to me, right, I just these

932
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: are two teams just kind of slogging at the end.

933
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: If anything, the forty and a half just feels like

934
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: on FanDuel or just the low numbers.

935
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 4: You're saying forty.

936
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: So if anything, I think the over in this game

937
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: because from a defensive standpoint, I could see this is

938
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: a good opportunity here where they're just kind of not

939
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: phoning it in.

940
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 4: But look the effort level I think towards.

941
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: The end of this game is going to be suspect

942
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the football. So I think

943
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: the forty and a half is too low of a number.

944
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: So that's the thing that jumps out to me in

945
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: terms of winning this game. All bets are off here

946
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: with these two because I have no confidence in either

947
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: of these teams and I have no conference in these

948
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: offenses at this tim, So forty and a half to

949
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: me is an over because this week eighteen more than

950
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: anything else. So that's the way I would go, But

951
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: I would stay away from maybe side of this game.

952
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: Total, stay away on both sides for me, Joe, Like really,

953
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: I mean the Saints offense does not look good. No

954
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: idea what we're going to see from the Falcons, just

955
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: the game that I will sit back see what happens.

956
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: I think the over under for the Falcons win total

957
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: was seven and a half, so I'm sure this game

958
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: is going to matter to a lot of preseason betters at.

959
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 3: This one, but not for me. I'm sticking it out.

960
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: Bucks at home, laying eight to the Panthers forty two

961
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: and a half. The Bucks are going to play their starters,

962
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: reportedly to the extent they have any starters left. No

963
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: idea who's going to be running the ball for them,

964
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: no idea who's going to be catching the ball for them.

965
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: So they've got a lot of issues. And you do

966
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: feel like.

967
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: Maybe Joe, they want to wipe even though they won

968
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: that game, all the drama, they want to.

969
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 3: Wipe that taste out of their mouth. Yeah, and see

970
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: what they could do.

971
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: So if they keep their foot on the gas, the

972
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: eight points here seems a little light to me.

973
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: But eight points forty two and a half, what do

974
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 3: you think?

975
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think Tom Brady's smelling that five thousand

976
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: yard number two, which is stunning. I mean, I know

977
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: it's eighteen weeks, but still he's practically there already, and

978
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's talking about that enough. But yeah,

979
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with you. I think the Bucks

980
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: want to go out there make a statement. I think,

981
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: even from the defensive standpoint, you know that Panthers offense

982
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: is so bad, but I think the Bucks defense has

983
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: gotten healthier here these last few weeks. They finally got

984
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: some of the corners back that they've been missing all here.

985
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: So I do think you are going to see this

986
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: team kind of come together. Bruce arians is just a

987
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 1: wonderful football coach. He's a wonderful dude, and I feel

988
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: like they're going to rally together. And the leadership they

989
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: have between him and Tom Brady, that's a lot of

990
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: leadership in a locker room.

991
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 4: And I do agree with you.

992
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: I think it's important for them to kind of get

993
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: on track in this game and kind of put a whooping,

994
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: if for lack of a better word, on the Carolinas.

995
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: So even though it's eight and it's a big number,

996
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: I actually feel confident here in the Buck side of things,

997
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: and Tom Brady knows how to make all these guys shine,

998
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who it is. So forty one and a

999
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: half I would say away from because I don't know

1000
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: if the Panthers are gonna give enough offense to compete

1001
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: in this game, that's my question. But the Bucks, I think,

1002
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, just gonna overmatch the Panthers and the Panthers,

1003
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: although defensive we have made great improvements in the second

1004
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: half of last year and even this year as well.

1005
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: There's still a young group and I think Tom Brady's

1006
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: got a lot of tricks still up his sleeve.

1007
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go with the Bucks on this one.

1008
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: I'm with you.

1009
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: I really think that you know they're gonna I feel

1010
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 2: like it's a little different when you get to spend

1011
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: the entire week saying, all right, so Cyril Grayson, you're

1012
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: the guy who I gotta rely on. Tyler Johnson, you're

1013
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: the guy, and they get to work out the kinks

1014
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: because they know they have to do this in the playoffs. Now, Joe,

1015
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: I think you see a big performance and again, regardless,

1016
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 2: I think the defense sort of steps up here against

1017
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: the Panthers' offense.

1018
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: That just horrific.

1019
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: Basically, that's another guy too, Matt Rules, another guy too

1020
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: that I think. I can't remember a season starting where

1021
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: the perception of a coach and has changed so much

1022
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: over a season where it was like, this is one

1023
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: of the bright young spots, this is an organization going

1024
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: in the right way. To now it's the polar opposite

1025
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: that I feel like he might be out at the

1026
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: end of the year. There's a good chance he is,

1027
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: especially for college jobs opening too, I think he might

1028
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: want out.

1029
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 3: It's a great point.

1030
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: And again, the Panthers look like a team that were

1031
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: that was dangerous earlier in the year, and they went

1032
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: all in, right because they traded for Gilmore.

1033
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: They were going for it.

1034
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: And then, man, you see, and I can tell you

1035
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: from experience, you know, when you don't have a quarterback,

1036
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: not much else matters in the in the team. And

1037
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: that's kind of been my football life for my entire life.

1038
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, good point, Joe. Yeah, and again, I don't

1039
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: know whether or not this team has fighting them at

1040
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: this point. Given the last give the season game that

1041
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 2: will be fun to watch it I will be watching

1042
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 2: is the forty nine Ers visiting the Rams. The Rams

1043
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: are laying five points and the total is forty four

1044
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: and a half. Now I believe that it's just seating

1045
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: for the Rams at this point. Right They've got the

1046
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: division locked up, so I don't really know whether or

1047
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: not they're going to necessarily play as hard as they can,

1048
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: but who knows. It's five points at the consensus and

1049
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 2: the total is forty four.

1050
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 3: And a half.

1051
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: You know with this one, Dan, this is another team too.

1052
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: We're talking about talent and dominating all the talent of

1053
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: the Rams.

1054
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 4: They should dominate football games and they don't.

1055
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: I think this is one of the more appealing games

1056
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: on the slate to make money and just taking the

1057
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: forty nine ers to win outright, because if you think

1058
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: the forty niners are gonna win, then you take the

1059
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: plus five. It's minus one twelve right now on the

1060
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: plus five, like that's the thing. You gotta think it's

1061
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: it's not as well, you know, I'm gonna be comfortable

1062
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: that it's minus one twelve getting plus one ninety. On

1063
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: the other side, you're almost getting two to one odds

1064
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: there on the forty nine ers winning outright. So if

1065
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: you believe they can win this football game, don't even

1066
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: bother with the five. Just go and bet it out

1067
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: right on the money line. To me, that's the most

1068
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: interesting of all these. And the forty nine ers are

1069
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: a team not without troubles. But at the same time,

1070
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's Garoppolo, whether it's Lance, I think

1071
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves, are the Rams a team

1072
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: that is any point in time in recent memory asserted

1073
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: their dominance and they have, and that's they're kind of

1074
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: like the NFC version of the Bills for me, where

1075
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: they have all this talent, they should absolutely be blowing

1076
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: teeth out of the water, but they don't. They let

1077
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: teams stick around, They let inferior teams stick around, and

1078
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't think the forty nine ers are an inferior team,

1079
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: So I actually think this one's a little dangerous.

1080
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 4: And they're also a team that doesn't you know, it's

1081
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 4: not like.

1082
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: You're going into this building and it's so scary, right,

1083
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get a lot of forty nine

1084
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: er fans in attendant, to be honest with you, in

1085
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: this game. I think that's another thing that enters into it.

1086
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: It's not this huge home field advantage for the Rams.

1087
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful stadium, it's not a home field advantage.

1088
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 4: So I think the forty nine ers out right, So

1089
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 4: the way I would go with this one, Dan, how

1090
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 4: about you?

1091
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

1092
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm sorry, I misspoke completely. The Rams

1093
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: actually they either need to win or they need a Cardinals.

1094
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: Loss to clinch the West.

1095
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: So it is something where they do have something specifically

1096
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: to play where I apologize.

1097
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: I don't know where my head was at.

1098
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: It's very ill. Look, there's a lot of moving parts here.

1099
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 4: Everyone gets a pass, but not you.

1100
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: Not me, I should not. And what's weird is like

1101
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 3: I did understand that.

1102
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: So both you know, the Cardinals obviously they can win,

1103
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: and the Rams. And this is a tough one because

1104
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: again the forty nine Ers and the Rams, they play

1105
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 2: each other tough. We know that coming in, We've seen

1106
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: it before. Yeah, I think the forty nine Ers are

1107
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: a team that, man, I think, you know, they need

1108
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: to win two one.

1109
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 4: Of the Rams look like world beaters to you.

1110
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: You know, they haven't, Joe, but they're also twelve and four,

1111
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: Like I understand, like they've got a lot of heat

1112
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: just because it looked like from the at the beginning

1113
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: of the season, they look like they might be an

1114
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: absolutely dominant team.

1115
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: I think they're the most talented team in football, and

1116
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: I can't said that in September, and they haven't played

1117
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: like it because for whatever reason, they just like the

1118
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, they let teams hang around.

1119
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 4: They don't kind of come out.

1120
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean even last week, right that game should have

1121
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: been you watched Joe Burrow, but five hundred yards up

1122
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: against that secondary, right, Matthew Stafford should have had four

1123
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: hundred yards passing and it should have been an absolute

1124
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: blood and it wasn't.

1125
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 4: It wasn't.

1126
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: And that's my concern here with this one. And it's

1127
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: not like going home. It's not like they're going to

1128
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: Green Bay. It's not like they're going into a place

1129
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: like New England has. There's no home field advantage with

1130
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: the weather, with the crowd, with everything like that. It's

1131
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: not that kind of environment for them. And I think

1132
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: that's maybe maybe that's part of it too. Maybe that's

1133
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: why some of these games are as close as they

1134
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: are is because they don't have that. And if you

1135
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: look at some of the teams that have played really

1136
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: well this year, they have that. The Patriots have that, Yeah,

1137
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: the Packers have that. I mean, even to a certain extent,

1138
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: I feel like Tennessee's are a pretty good home field advanage,

1139
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: like that crowd shows up for those games and they

1140
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: get very hyped up. Rams don't have that. That LA

1141
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: crowd is just not there for them in that same way.

1142
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: And maybe it will over time, but they ain't there yet.

1143
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting in this one, Joe.

1144
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: I look, basically, I think these two teams are and

1145
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: again I assume we're going to see Trey Lance in

1146
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: this game. I think these two teams are more evenly matched,

1147
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: and I think the general public would give credit rude

1148
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: And so when you're getting the five, it does strike

1149
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: me as the forty nine ers are the right side here.

1150
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: But it's going to be fascinating to watch both these

1151
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: games because the Cardinals could lose outright to the Seahawks

1152
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: for sure.

1153
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: For sure.

1154
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: Listen, man, there's a lot of I think the one

1155
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: thing twenty twenty one's taught us Dan is that, yeah,

1156
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a three games this week, if not

1157
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: four that we look at, and I think one of

1158
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: them might be the Jets.

1159
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, Yeah, where you look at.

1160
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: It and go, holy crap, look at twenty twenty one

1161
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: still hanging around in twenty twenty two, I feel like

1162
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it's gonna be.

1163
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 2: All right, Patriots are taking on the Dolphins. The spread

1164
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: is seven and the total is forty. So the Pats

1165
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: obviously they're in the playoffs. They win the division with

1166
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: a Bills lost to the Jets and win against the Dolphins.

1167
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll play hard since they're all playing at

1168
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: the same time. But lank seven, it's six and a half.

1169
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: At some spots show it's seven for both of us,

1170
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: and it's seven and consensus.

1171
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: What do you think?

1172
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: I think the Bill Belichick remembers a great deal a

1173
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: couple of years ago where the Dolphins came up to

1174
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: New England and beat them in that last game of

1175
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: the season and it cost them that number one seed,

1176
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: which I think really kind of hurt them. So I

1177
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, you look at

1178
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: this and you say, Okay, you know, this is a

1179
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: chance where you kind of get your revenge a little bit.

1180
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: I think Miami, you know, hit a bit of a

1181
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: wall after a great run. Miami defense played great, they

1182
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: did not play great last week, and I think at

1183
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think the momentum is

1184
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: all on the Patriots side right now, and I think

1185
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: that's really what they're burning on. You know, the Pats

1186
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: had a really good momentum and then they ran into

1187
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: the Colts and the Bills two weeks in a row,

1188
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: and it's tough matchups there, and I don't think they

1189
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: were really prepared for the Colts. They were used to

1190
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: kind of being the bigger brother to the Colts and

1191
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: beating them up with the Colts were ready, the Colts

1192
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: were ready for them, Yeah, and they weren't ready for

1193
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: the Colts. And then in Buffalo, Look, that was another

1194
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: game too where there were moments where you know, it

1195
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: could have gone a different way, and then it got

1196
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: out of control at the end. I think now they

1197
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: kind of came back, that got the confidence back in

1198
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: this game against the Jaguars, and I think.

1199
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 4: They'll kind of assert themselves yet again in this one.

1200
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: And I think once again you might get a defensive

1201
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: score on the Path side of this one with the

1202
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: way they'd created turnovers this year, and that will be

1203
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: the difference.

1204
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 4: So I like the Pat side of this one.

1205
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1206
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: My only concern with it would be if the Bills

1207
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: are up by like twenty one or something like that

1208
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: in the third quarter and the Pats are like, Okay,

1209
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: let's just take our foot off the gas a little bit,

1210
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: let's get out of it.

1211
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: Maybe it's very possible, so that's the only thing.

1212
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: But again, the games are played at the same time

1213
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 2: for that very reason.

1214
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 3: And you know, it's not like Belichick to scoreboard watch.

1215
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, I lean the Pats. If you can get

1216
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: at six and a half, where it is at bet MGM,

1217
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: for example, I do like that for sure, win and

1218
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 2: you're in, unless the Jaguars beat the Colts, in which

1219
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: case tie and you're in as well is the Raiders

1220
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: and the Chargers in Las Vegas. It is two and

1221
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: a half right now. It is forty nine for the

1222
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: total right now. It is fascinating Joe that there's all

1223
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: this fun like speculators like, well, if the Jaguars beat

1224
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 2: the Cults, maybe they'll just kneel down for the entire game.

1225
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 3: That's not gonna happen everyone.

1226
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: It's not the way football works, and it's not the

1227
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: way teams would play it.

1228
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: If the Jaguars, what's what's the money line of the

1229
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: Jaguars Colts is eight one hundred? I mean what, I'm

1230
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: just curious what the Jaguars number is because that's gotta

1231
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: be I mean, it's got to be close to a thousand, right.

1232
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, given given what the spread.

1233
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 4: Is thirty plus? Yeah, good right, Oh.

1234
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: For you you have it huge though it's only six

1235
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: fifty everywhere else, Joe.

1236
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: It's for you.

1237
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: It's not happening at fantom One's to go for it.

1238
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know this one's interesting, Joe, because the

1239
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: Chargers with Staley, without Staley, they.

1240
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 3: Just have a way of disappointing you, you know, like something.

1241
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: But I still just feel like, man, the Raiders, kudos

1242
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: to them, are hanging in there and getting to this

1243
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: point where if they win, they're in the playoffs. But

1244
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: the Chargers are a much better team than the Raiders

1245
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: to me, Joe, And if you're getting under a field

1246
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: goal in this game, it just strikes me as the

1247
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: Chargers find a way to win it.

1248
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: I would agree with you, and I know it's on

1249
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: the road, but I think the winner of this game

1250
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: is Justin Herbert. Like Justin Herbert is going to make

1251
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: the play to win this football game. So I take

1252
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: the two and a half despite them being on the

1253
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: road and the fact that it isn't you know that

1254
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: it's an in division game on the road for a

1255
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: Charger team that disappoint us in the past, and they're

1256
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: still getting two and a half. On that side, I

1257
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: think it tells you that there's a confidence level in

1258
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: the Chargers right now, Yeah, in Vegas, And I think

1259
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: I would roll with that because I do think it's

1260
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: a different environment, and I think they've there's been a

1261
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: couple of spots where they have disappointed this year, but

1262
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: there's also been a couple of spots where they could

1263
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: have and they didn't. So I want to give them

1264
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: a little critic And I think Herbert's really good. Like

1265
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: I just think he is closer to that elite tier

1266
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: of quarterback than I think people want to recognize right now.

1267
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: And I think next year it might even be even better.

1268
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: And I just like you, it's you know, the Raiders.

1269
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect because there's been a

1270
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: couple times where they should have just completely folded up

1271
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: the tents and gone home, and they haven't. And I

1272
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: know it's the last game, and it's going to be

1273
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: very emotional.

1274
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 4: You know.

1275
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: We started the year with them in that building, right yeah,

1276
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: right on Monday Night football. I believe it was right

1277
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Let's go, you know, opening up the

1278
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: new you know, stadium with people for the first time.

1279
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 4: And I don't think it's gonna be a good ending

1280
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 4: for the Raiders. I just don't. I think it's not

1281
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 4: gonna be a good one.

1282
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: It's also juiced towards the charter, so it's it's minus

1283
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: one fourteen at two and a half, minus one oh

1284
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: six at plus two and a half for the Raiders.

1285
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: So it's probably one where you don't like to bet

1286
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: at that early in the COVID environment. But I've heard

1287
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: it early right now, right before it gets to prey

1288
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: is where it was.

1289
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: All right, that's that's it.

1290
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: Joe is also going to be here for the pick

1291
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: Um Show for our best bets. Later in the week,

1292
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 2: we'll give our three best bets narrowly missed going.

1293
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 3: Three to zero with the total. But when too and

1294
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: one last week.

1295
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: Want to finish up the regular season strong, so in

1296
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: the meantime that's our look at show. Everybody, enjoy your

1297
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: week of just you know, no Thursday games again, got

1298
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: Saturday games, which I love because adds a little juice

1299
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: to the weekend. But then we'll have a great football Sunday.

1300
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, enjoy the rest of your week.

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