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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion, that's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell, this this

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Speaker 1: To call this a giant MK would really be just

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Speaker 1: illustrious history. Welcome everyone. On this Monday, the eleventh of October,

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Speaker 1: my brother's birthday. I'd wish him happy birthday, but he

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Speaker 2: You know, may as well be my birthday, Luke, because

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Speaker 2: which is the great sport of boxing. And I hope, Luke,

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Speaker 2: night at the office, Luke Fury Wilder three. But that's

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Speaker 2: out on this fine Monday morning, Luke, we want to

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Speaker 1: That's right. B C and I have been eagerly anticipating

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Speaker 1: part thanks to Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder, but really, really,

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Speaker 1: We have hit our first and frankly one of our

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Speaker 2: I'm so ready to hit this thing hard. Fury Wilder three, Luke,

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Speaker 1: That was incredible. Tyson Fury defeats Deontay Wilder via eleventh

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I would in no way slander Joshua versus Usik.

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Speaker 2: And that's what we got. It was a perfect storm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I'm not here to bash Jake Paul. He's

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Speaker 2: In fact, I scored this fight at the time of

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Speaker 2: But Luke, you made the comparison, not direct, but sort

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Speaker 2: It was just that I don't know why the judges

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Speaker 2: I mean, Luke, we have to sit here and praise Wilder.

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Speaker 2: deserves the credit in the aftermath. And I know people

431
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: are upset he didn't shake fury, saying, who gives a damn?

432
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: Bros Like I don't give us damn if he doesn't

433
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 2: want to shake hands. Afterwards, he left his heart and

434
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 2: that ring. And I think, rightfully, you're seeing a lot

435
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 2: of people tweet out, Hey, maybe we didn't give Wilder

436
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: the love during his run for just being vulnerable and

437
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: exciting that he deserved. Now the truth is, Luke, the

438
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 2: foundational elements that he does not have as a boxer,

439
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 2: cost him in all three of these fights, but cost

440
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 2: him in this one beginning with the third round. So

441
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 2: let me break it down like this round one, I

442
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: think we all liked his body attack, Luke, I don't

443
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 2: think that's sustainable for Deontay Wilder to keep up that

444
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 2: level of pace taking the lead, and I think once

445
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 2: Fury started to find a way to slow that down

446
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: encounter it. I already saw Wilder sucking big win by

447
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: the end of round two. Okay, but I think the

448
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: biggest reason why he lost this fight is the adjustment

449
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: that Tyson Fury began making in round four, which is

450
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: to play the big man's style and lean all over

451
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: him and almost adoptive Vladimir Klitch go away of one punch,

452
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 2: clinch and then maul on the inside. I know that

453
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: made for maybe the didn't always have the most exciting tone,

454
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: particularly you know from round six through eleven to see

455
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 2: so much holding and Russell Mora had his hands full.

456
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 2: But Luke, even though Wilder put on the muscle to

457
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: be able to contend better in these moments, he didn't

458
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: have the foundational know how knowledge and just muscle memory

459
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: to know how to keep Fury off of him, adjust

460
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: met Luke in mauling him not just wore down the

461
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 2: stamina of Wylder, but most important, Wilder can only punch

462
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: and score effectively when he has distance to get the

463
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 2: full extension. Look, here's an interesting thing I realized. I

464
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: don't think you can overrate Wilder's power. Right when he

465
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: hits you good, the fight's over eighty ninety percent of

466
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: the time. I mean, really, Tyson, Fury is the only

467
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: heavyweight that can do this with Wilder, which is getting

468
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: to a war at this level and be big enough,

469
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: long enough, quick enough, but most importantly tough enough to

470
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: be the last man standing. What we did overrate was

471
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Speaker 2: Wilder's delivery mechanism to get to that punch. He really

472
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 2: needs space and he needs to load up on the

473
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: right hand. He's really ineffective outside of that. So it's

474
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: not enough that Fury just took away his jab for

475
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 2: most of the series by being so faint heavy in movement,

476
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: his ability to rush in and maul and hold. It's

477
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: not this similar to what Evander holy Field did to

478
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: upset Mike Tyson in their first bout. It's basically knowing

479
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: that my opponent needs the space and room to land,

480
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: and if I take that away from him, he is

481
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 2: ineffective in those spaces. I think, while there's ultimate ability,

482
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: to not be able to push Fury off and keep

483
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 2: him away is what ultimately cost him this fight.

484
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. I mean, here's the thing,

485
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: though I disagree a little bit. We'll talk about Fury

486
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: and Wilder in particular and how we view them and

487
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: where they go from here in just a minute. But

488
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Speaker 1: and speaking about the fight, what I will give Deontay

489
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: what I thought was missing was I thought that he

490
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: was full of rage Coobe going into this fight. I

491
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: thought that he was full of hurt and pain, and

492
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: I thought that that would do more to derail him

493
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: than elevate him. Turns out it did more to elevate

494
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: him than derail him. So that part got wrong Miacolpa.

495
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: The part that I still maintained that I got right

496
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: was that there was way too much of a skilled

497
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: differential in the second fight, shown that even after a

498
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: global pandemic, and even after all the time off, that

499
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: was going to be a sufficient window in which to

500
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: develop the skills necessary to box with Tyson Fury. Now,

501
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: I don't think Tyson Fury was the very best version

502
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: of himself. There was some issues about camp. The guy

503
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: had COVID twice. You know, again, some people get it modely,

504
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: some people don't. But you know, not great necessarily for

505
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: boxing preparation. And I thought it took him a little

506
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: bit of time to kind of get into a rhythm,

507
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: even with that third round knockdown. But basically here was

508
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: the score for me. The body shots early were great.

509
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: I like them, but one he went away from them.

510
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: Two I thought he went to them way too often

511
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: at the beginning, and really he didn't keep building off

512
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: of that once he got tired. It was kind of

513
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: just being back to the one too. He was willing

514
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: himself to stay in those rounds like the seventh, eighth,

515
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: and ninth round when he knew he was out gunned.

516
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: One guy had way more skills than the other one.

517
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: So the praise that I would have for Deontay Wilder's

518
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: performance we'll talk about the man in just a minute,

519
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: is that he really just decided I'm going to give

520
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: every absolute inch of my psychological will to push my

521
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 1: body quite forward as much as I possibly can. But

522
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: the skill differential that you saw in the second fight.

523
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: That was the story of the third one. As a

524
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: release to Tyson Fury, Now you're right, he changed tactics.

525
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: What I mean to say, though, is this overall ability

526
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: that he has. Dude. The first time he thought the

527
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: most devastating puncher of our era. He did it on

528
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: the jab on the outside and may arguably want it,

529
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: but certainly had the draw right. Second time comes out,

530
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: just marches into him with that sugar Hill Stewart Cronk style,

531
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: marches him over, wins in side seven. This time has

532
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: to get off the canvas twice in a single round

533
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: and uses jabs at long range from distance. This like

534
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: jousting jab that he had. And then on the inside, Dude,

535
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Speaker 1: I went and I made notes. I took notes of

536
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: every common position that he went to in the clinch.

537
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: The one that he went to the most that was

538
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: so crafty. He had an overhook on the right side,

539
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: not a super hardcore one, not an MMA wrestling one,

540
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: but he would cover the left arm with his right

541
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: and then with this one, I'm gonna try and back

542
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: up just a little bit if I can. With his

543
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: left arm BC, he would put his elbow in the

544
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: air like this and with that, the right arm would

545
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: have to wrap around it, or if he wanted to

546
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: come inside for an uppercut he could, Or if he

547
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: wanted to just reach inside and grab for a collar

548
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: tie or an overhook on that same side, he could

549
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: as well. Dude. He used that position, and by the way,

550
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: he could bump Deontay Wilder off of him and then

551
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: score with just a little bit of distance. He tore

552
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder up in that space. He got in so

553
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: many free shots at distance. Dude, you're right, dude, Deontay

554
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: Wilder man how many times that with? I think it

555
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: was like maybe the second or maybe the fifth round

556
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: where they threw and then they locked on their biceps

557
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: because they both threw it at the same time. Dude,

558
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: you trade like that with Deontay Wilder, bad shit is

559
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: eventually gonna happen. But in this space where you're right

560
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: on top of him. What a master class in the

561
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: clinch from the Gypsy King. Unbelievable.

562
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: This is where this is where him being a unicorn

563
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: luke having a forty pound weight advantage, a two inch

564
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: height in reach advantage against a fighter who's always the

565
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: bigger man in Wilder. That's why maybe he's the only

566
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: one that could do this to him. So a couple

567
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: of things are true that we touched on. This was

568
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: not the best version or even best performance of Tyson Fury,

569
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: but he figured out a lane to be able to

570
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: control the danger and ultimately the terms of the fight

571
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: the best way he could, which with the with the

572
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: tactics that you mentioned of shortening up the fight of mauling.

573
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: And look, this is just where wild there's an experience

574
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 2: and just lack of a true amateur background, came to

575
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 2: the sport at nineteen. It's almost a miracle that he

576
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 2: won a bronze medal at the Olympics just on power

577
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 2: and athleticism alone. But look, it's the same thing of

578
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: like the first fight against Luis Ortiz, that round that

579
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: Wilder was almost stopped and he didn't know when you're hurt,

580
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: even to clinch. It's like he just doesn't have those

581
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: basic instincts. If you could ask yourself, what could he

582
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: have done differently, Well, obviously when he's getting mauled in

583
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: those tie ups, he's got to be able to be dirty,

584
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: he's got to be able to do something, use his jab,

585
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: do anything to keep Fury off of him and give

586
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: him a reason not to constantly close the distance in

587
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: mall So Luke, I think, as much as we're gonna

588
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: rightfully say, this was not the best Fury ever, but

589
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: he gutted it out. I don't think Wilder properly used

590
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: the eighteen months to his advantage, like we said he

591
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: would need to to better his chances. He leaned on

592
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: his iron will and kudos to him to the nines

593
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: because that's why this fight was so crazy and dramatic,

594
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: but he couldn't even establish a consistent jab Luke and

595
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: whatever he did well to the body in the first round,

596
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: the second fury made adjustments in round two. Not only

597
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: did Wilder not go back to it, he was already

598
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: gassing in that regard. So a couple things you know,

599
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: to not miss out on when you look back on

600
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: this fight, I think Wilder could have. We're gonna give

601
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: Malik's got a lot of credit, but I also think

602
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: they did not do with that with that eighteen months

603
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: what they could have.

604
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: Also, the way he distributed his weight, I mean, I

605
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: get that, BC. You wouldn't want to add a ton

606
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: of muscle to your legs because that by itself could

607
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: slow you down. Maybe a little bit of muscle mass,

608
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, And maybe he did. It's hard to know,

609
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: and whatever, did it not? This could be my imagination.

610
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm not in any way asserting it is true. I'm

611
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: just merely trying to make sense of what I observed.

612
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: Did it not look to you? And this has always

613
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: been the case a little bit but even more exaggerated.

614
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: He looked really top heavy. He looked like he had

615
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: a big back, big shoulders, huge shoulders, big arms, big chest,

616
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: and his legs are skinny. Now again it's always been

617
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: the case, but it looked like really pronounced and as

618
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: he got tired very quickly from all the muscle no

619
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 1: matter where to be distributed. That probably would have been

620
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: the case, but I don't know. It just seemed like

621
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't an overall contribution to athletic potential. It seems

622
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: specifically designed for one purpose, which, okay, you got some

623
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,239
Speaker 1: of that for sure, but then once you got it,

624
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: there was no going back to it, and now you're

625
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: stuck with this anchor.

626
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: Well, look, I bet it was designed to try to

627
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: keep Tyson off of him in close range. But it's

628
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: as if once fury is once Wilder is overwhelmed in

629
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: the clinch. There's sort of like a withdrawal and an

630
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: acceptance of that from him. You didn't really see him

631
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: fight out of the clinch. That's why Russell Moore, who

632
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: I thought overall, did a very good job, and there

633
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: were times that you know, he was using every ounce

634
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: of effort just to keep these two apart, so there

635
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: was a chance we could see some action. I mean,

636
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: Wilder ultimately failed miserably with the added muscle Luke and

637
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: doing anything to gain separation between the two.

638
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. I also feel like one of

639
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: the things I got lost is really good, and this

640
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: is where the fight ultimately ended. Man Tyson Fury was

641
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: so good, not just finding close contact, but about bullying

642
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder against the ropes and leaning on him and

643
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: pulling him and turning him, trapping him in corners. It

644
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: speaks to the heart of Deontay Wilder that he just

645
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: absorbed that, which ended up being I'm not I don't

646
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: let me see if you agree, bec I don't think

647
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: this fight ever got to a point where I was like, Okay,

648
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: it obviously needs to be stopped. And now when he

649
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: got knocked down the third time in the tenth round

650
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: or whatever, eleventh round. Excuse me that point I was like, Okay,

651
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: Russell Moore didn't even fucking call give him a count.

652
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: He just called it fine, no problem, even in that

653
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: tenth round. You I'm not saying that someone couldn't have

654
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: stopped it in those points. I'm saying there was no

655
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: obvious point where you really demanded it had to be there.

656
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? And in general Russell Mora

657
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: kind of managed that about his best as could be,

658
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, ascertained absolutely.

659
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: I thought the point that wild there came the closest

660
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: to being legitimately. I mean, look, he looked ready to

661
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: go from round three. Let's not lie about that, right.

662
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: But the point I thought to end round seven was

663
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: his lowest moment. Deontay Wilder. He really looked weary and

664
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: you could almost be like kid gloves ready to stop it.

665
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: But the problem for that argument was what I said

666
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: earlier rounds eight, nine, and ten. He flurried to end

667
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: those rounds. Luke Wilder got off the canvas in round

668
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: ten and had the better stuff over the final thirty seconds.

669
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: I legitimately thought he was catching fury at a point

670
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: where he was maybe winded because Fury got the knockdown

671
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: in round ten kind of tested the waters to see

672
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: if a finish was there. Wasn't able to get it,

673
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: and then Wilder, now that he had some separation, was

674
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: just putting it on him with hooks. So to Wilder's credit,

675
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: he never let it get to the danger territory where

676
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: this argument of throwing in the towel was necessary. Even more, Luke,

677
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: when he got knocked out cold in round eleven, I

678
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: thought Russell Moore made the obvious call to wave it

679
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: off without account. Yeah, Wilder was still stirring, kicking his legs,

680
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: trying to move his knees and get up. Luke, tell

681
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: me a performance where someone gave more, I mean, where

682
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: someone showed more of what they're made of. God damn.

683
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what I was trying to tell folks

684
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: who were saying, you know, everyone, people listen, Tyson. Fury

685
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: is gonna get the praise he deserves. He's the victor

686
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: of this and the winner of this trilogy in the

687
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: most epic of ways. But that doesn't mean you can

688
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: discount everything Deontay Wilder did. And this is the argument

689
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: that I made on Saturday night, if you want to

690
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: say that there should have been different ways in which

691
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 1: he could have prepped. First of all, I still think

692
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: he trained very hard for this. He did look to

693
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: be a tremendous physical condition, whether or not it was

694
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: the appropriate one for winning. But you know, the guy

695
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: was in the gym, let's put it that way, and

696
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: he was in the gym very consistently, and he was

697
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: obviously eating appropriately too, so you got that. What my

698
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: argument was is, once he made the walkout and once

699
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: he stepped in between the ropes to fight Tyson Fury,

700
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: what else could you ask of him? And my answer

701
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: to that is nothing. There is nothing else you could

702
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: have asked of Deontay Wilder, given what his skills are,

703
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: and given what his cardiovascular conditioning is, and given what

704
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: his heart is. I think you got the most out

705
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: of everything, true or false.

706
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: True, And it makes me want to spend a little

707
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: bit of a hot button question. I saw a lot

708
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: of debate on Twitter about it in the last you know,

709
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: thirty six hours. Is this okay? While there's as crude

710
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: or more crude than he's ever been in terms of

711
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: game planning and skills, it's all will and power. Okay,

712
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: But with that said, Luke, would he have beaten every

713
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: single other heavyweight on this night with that shape and

714
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: performance and mindset that he came in with, Because even

715
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: though you could tell me, well, Wilder's chin is a

716
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: little shaky at times, could I see Joshua finishing him? Sure?

717
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: Or maybe Dillian White, you know whatever. But Luke, we

718
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: saw the two Luis Ortiz fights in with yourtez. Who's

719
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: you know? I mean, he's elite, he is damn elite,

720
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: putting it on Wilder for rounds, yet ultimately succumbing once

721
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: he got a little fatigued and he got hit with

722
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: the big one. Luke, I love me some Usik, I

723
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: love me some aj when things are going right for him,

724
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm really not sure there was another heavyweight on this

725
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: night that could have finished the twelve full rounds against him,

726
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: then Fury, who again not only did give him credit

727
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: for his heart, but to finish off Wilder on top

728
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: of that within the distance just incredible. I mean, Luke, seriously,

729
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: does Wilder end up outlasting, out enduring and finishing every

730
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: other heavyweight with that performance?

731
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: I want to get to that when we focus on

732
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: him specifically, specifically, because I do have an answer for that,

733
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: but certainly I think it's a very very very fair

734
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: and very it tells you a lot about his future,

735
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: which we'll get to him just a second. All right,

736
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: So let's go to point number two. We talked about

737
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: the fight here for just a second, let's focus in

738
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: on Tyson Fury. We will get to Deontay in specifics

739
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: in just a moment, but topic number two, Tyson Fury, Dude,

740
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: what can you say about this guy? We were talking

741
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: about the fight and where it ranks all time among

742
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: the best heavyweight fights. Well, where does Tyson Fury rank

743
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: all time among the best heavyweight fighters BC? Because now

744
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, oh, he's better than Ali, he's better

745
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: than Fraser, he's better than Norton or Holmes or whoever

746
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: whoever you want to put in these conversations, but I

747
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: am saying he is beginning to enter a space where

748
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: evaluating him in the all time perspective is now not

749
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: only warranted, it's absolutely demanded.

750
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: So there are major pros and cons against his historical

751
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: rank in this argument. But obviously let's stop and say

752
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: he won this entire rivalry and on a somewhat of

753
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: an off night for him, He's still finished off, maybe

754
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: the most dangerous finisher in this word's history. So like

755
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: good glord, you know what I mean. This is why

756
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: he is the face of this era, in the fighter

757
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: of record of this era. What is against Fury's all

758
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: time placement remains Luke's lack of a deep resume, Anthony

759
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: Joshua's resume in terms of the names, the amount of

760
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: names that he's beaten. I'm sorry, it's still better than

761
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: what Fury has done. So Fury has given us two

762
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: wins over Derek Jesra, who was a solid, you know contender,

763
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: the classic upset of Klitchkow, which was I mean, it

764
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 2: ages so much better over time, and it was thorough

765
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: and it was amazing, and basically two and a half

766
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: or three wins depending on your stance against Deontay Wilder.

767
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: The problem has been he missed almost four years of

768
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: his absolute prime after beating clitch Goo and even in

769
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: between fights in this rivalry, Luke, you had the two

770
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: years off most recently and even between the other fights,

771
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: you had you know, stay busy, come back, you know,

772
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: surfing Safari auto valeen uh, just you know, not all

773
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: time names that are gonna end up on your resume.

774
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: But what keeps Fury in this argument? And really it's

775
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: hard to keep him out, and it's hard to say

776
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 2: that there's a line in which you can't rank him above.

777
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: That is because in the mythical matchmaking and the you know,

778
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: in the eye test, Luke, I'm sorry, Like, we can

779
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: say all we want about Rocky Marciano, but he was like,

780
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: what five foot eight and one hundred and you know,

781
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: eighty five pounds. I know I'm off a little bit

782
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: on both, but you get my point. It was a

783
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: different time, a different era. Tyson Fury's six foot nine

784
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: with a chin and an all time great fighting spirit

785
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: and quickness and speed and agility. That's ridiculous for someone

786
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: six foot five, let alone six ' nine. And oh,

787
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: by the way, he transformed his style and now he

788
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: can punch, not one punch knockout, but he can walk

789
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: you down and maul you and punch. He's in a conversation, Luke,

790
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: on a one fight peak versus peak against every heavyweight

791
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: of all time. I'm serious about that. You know, there

792
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 2: is not a heavyweight that you're like, oh, he destroys

793
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: Fury on his best. No, there's a fight to be

794
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: had there. He is a unicorn not only of this

795
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: era but of all time. So if he can stay

796
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: on this road of collecting big victories, and by the way,

797
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: his mandatory in the WBC is now Dillion White. If

798
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: they make that fight early next year and the WBC

799
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 2: stands firm and White refuses, you know, payment to step aside,

800
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: that's another must get big win that only adds to

801
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: his resume. But he's gonna need to make sure he

802
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: cleans this division out right now and leaves no doubt.

803
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: And Luke, he's on his way to becoming a top

804
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: ten heavyweight. And if he can beat everybody, if he

805
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: can beat a refurbished aj if he can beat Usik

806
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: for all four belts, if he can beat Dillian White,

807
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: he already beat Klitschko, and there's no questions asked left,

808
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: you know, to be answered. You may end up putting

809
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: this guy in the top five or six. And that

810
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: sounds crazy because you got Ali, Joe Lewis, Jack Johnson,

811
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: George Foreman, Lennox Lewis. I mean this is a you know,

812
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: a very crowded rightfully, So Jack Dempsey conversation. But I

813
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: think the problem against most heavyweights is outside of the

814
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies or nineteen nineties, there has never been a

815
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: great heavyweight era. Those are the only two. And while

816
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: right now, Luke, we still can't really commit to saying

817
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: this is a great era. It's a hugely exciting era.

818
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 2: There are names, there are there are you know, there

819
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: are fights to make, but this era is better than

820
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: a lot of those eras which were produced, a lot

821
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: of those all time greats. So if Fury stays the course, Luke,

822
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: because of that mythical matchmaking argument, he has a chance

823
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: to get into that top five, which is you know, look,

824
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: there's gonna be people that hear that and go you're crazy,

825
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: but really think about it and look at it. They

826
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: don't make six foot nine heavyweights who can move like

827
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: this and can also fight their way out of trouble.

828
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 2: It's what you're watching is something historically special.

829
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: He is. He might be in terms of like I

830
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: don't know exactly how to word this, BC, but like

831
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: this dude is the is is very much the total package. Right.

832
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: Your point is I think well taken. In order to

833
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: get into these conversations about all time greatness. We have

834
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: to have a resume that we can look at, and

835
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: on that resume, there are some things lacking from Tyson

836
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: Furi's as good as it is, and it is quite good.

837
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: He's undefeated thirty one oh to one. But to your point,

838
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: you need a Dillion White on there. You need some

839
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: of these other top contenders along the way, and then

840
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: once that fills out, we can then begin to have

841
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: a bigger conversation. But which you're also not denying, is

842
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: that BC? True false? I want to make my point here,

843
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: but true false. You wouldn't pick any other heavyweight over

844
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury, would you at this point?

845
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: Well?

846
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: No, currently active, currently acting.

847
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, currently he's I think he's the best of today's group,

848
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: and I think there's actually a gap.

849
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, he's. I think there's a gap too. He

850
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: is clearly the best heavyweight walking the planet right now.

851
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: But more than that, dude, this guy does essentially everything right.

852
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: Understand something we talk about his size. He doesn't just

853
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: have big size, He uses big size. He has a

854
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: long jab. He smothers opponents when he needs to, and

855
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: yet when he needs to be fleet of foot and

856
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: when he's l stepping and when he has to be

857
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: on his toes and use trunk movement, a lateral movement.

858
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: He does that too. You want to fight him at range,

859
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: he can do that. You want to fight on the inside,

860
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: he can do that, dude, Tyson Fury gave Deontay Wilder

861
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: three tries to beat him, and lord knows he came

862
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: close a couple of times, but close ain't enough. This

863
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: guy still won. And then on top of that, promotes

864
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: the fuck out of the fight all three times beforehand,

865
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: doing tours and sitting on studios and doing radio interviews

866
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: and looking at a computer screen for hours and hours

867
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: on end, answering questions over and over and over again,

868
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: and all for the most part, always did it with

869
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: a smile on his face. To say nothing of the

870
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: comeback in twenty eighteen when he was grossly overweight and

871
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: an alcoholic and everything else he has said suicidal the

872
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: whole nine yards. You add in that then after the fact, dude,

873
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: he's singing into the microphone, partying with Steve Alki and

874
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: doing the whole bit, you know, not even really being

875
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: super mean to Deontay Wilder, who had a really you know,

876
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: just a terrible moment after the fighter, I think, and

877
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: not chickings in I disagree with you.

878
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: There?

879
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: What am I pointing out? BC? Dude? What can you

880
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: say about Tyson Fury? Is he a front runner?

881
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: No?

882
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: Is he a guy who folds late?

883
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: No?

884
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: Is he a guy who has an obvious weakness one

885
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: place or the other.

886
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: No?

887
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: Is he a guy who loses mental focus even in

888
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: a bad time. No. Where is the gap and his skill.

889
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's perfect. But what I'm saying is, Dude,

890
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: you are looking at a prize fighter in full in

891
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: all the things you need a prize fighter to be

892
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: in the modern era. Charismatic, daring giants for heavyweights, giant

893
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: in your face, talented, good on the mic, committed her,

894
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: hard worker. Dude, he is all of that and then some.

895
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: It is going to be a very long time before

896
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: you see somebody who can cross off virtually everything down

897
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: the line on what you want a prize fighter to be.

898
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury is the apex predator I think across combat

899
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: sports in that way.

900
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: You know, I we can get worn down by his

901
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: comeback story sometimes if you've heard it ad nausea, I mean,

902
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 2: it just happens. Look, if any fighter had a cancer

903
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: comeback story, which happens. You know, it just gets beaten

904
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 2: down on the TV. I get it. Never lose track

905
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: of how absurd it was that he came back from

906
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: what he did. Never lose track, Luke that coming into

907
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: the Klitschko fight in twenty fifteen, nobody gave him a chance, Luke,

908
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: because he was a six to nine guy with what

909
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: we thought pillow hands. So to see this conversion, it's

910
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: wild I mean, look, I don't think he beats Wilder

911
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: and fights two and three and unless he went through

912
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: that Otto Vahlen scare, because that was really where he

913
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: learned out of necessity to fight and use his size

914
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: and his weight and lean. I mean he has made

915
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: the adjustment and stayed the course. In one final salute

916
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: to both fighters, but particularly Tyson Fury. Do you know

917
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 2: why we got this trilogy, Luke, because it was supposed

918
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: to be that Anthony Joshua versus Deontay Wilder was the

919
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: heavyweight fight of this era. That was supposed to be

920
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: the one. But they went two years of chasing each

921
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: other and blaming each other in a soap opera, and

922
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: it never happened. Don't forget that that first fight in

923
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,959
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen happened because Fury was sick of everybody talking

924
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: about AJ in Wilder and knew he was the A

925
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: side in this whole thing and slid right in and

926
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: Wilder's like, you know what, I'm gonna do this. Kudos

927
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 2: to those guys. These three fights kept this era afloat

928
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: while AJ was getting big wins but losing his belt twice.

929
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: And look, Joshua's gonna have a chance to come back,

930
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: and for all we know, maybe he beats too sick,

931
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: and maybe Joshua versus Fury still is the biggest fight

932
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: we can make him this era. But Fury has done

933
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: everything we could have asked for him. So let's hope

934
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: that he gets the chance to face everyone's you know,

935
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 2: left standing in this era and leave no doubt.

936
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: Last question before we transitioned to Deontae's specifically, but there

937
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: are a lot of questions with Wilder being thirty five,

938
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: that he might retire after this, and we'll see, we'll

939
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: talk about him in just a minute. But for Fury,

940
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, he's not said he wants to retire, that's

941
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: not what he said, but he has to things like

942
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: what are the belts matter? I've had literally all of

943
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: them at one point or another. Really, it's just me

944
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: versus me at this point, and to some extent, there

945
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: is a little bit of truth to that. He's thirty three.

946
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a whole lot of time left. Are

947
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: you worried he might only have one or two more

948
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: fights left?

949
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: Well, thirty three means nothing at heavyweight, but fear did

950
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: he take some damage in this rivalry in the first

951
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: and third fight, Absolutely, But you know throughout his career

952
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: he didn't take a ton of damage despite what he

953
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: put his body in mind through physically during that time off.

954
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: I do believe Luke, we're more likely to get less

955
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: from him than more or too much in terms of

956
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: the amount of fights. That's why I'm a little bit

957
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: fear full for that legacy. I don't want to be like,

958
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: you know, andre Ward. Let's give Andrew Ward as an example.

959
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 2: Luke retired on his own terms as the unbeaten palf

960
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: for pound King two division champion, great, all time great,

961
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: But what really kind of hurts andre Ward from catapulting

962
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: beyond that into like the real all time conversations is,

963
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 2: you know, didn't have it? Did he have enough super

964
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: elite fights. He sat out for long stretches fighting for

965
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: his contract like that. I don't want that to happen

966
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: to Fury. I do believe though, Luke once he gets

967
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: that chance to fight for the four belts and be

968
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: the undisputed champion of this era, which I think he

969
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to say he needs to do, but

970
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: that would be the smartest move you can make, to

971
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: really plant your flag and leave no doubt and have

972
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: your chance to be ranked as high historically as you can.

973
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 2: I think if he accomplishes that, we may not see

974
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: him again really, you know, unless there's one big super

975
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: fight a year or two later that could lure him back.

976
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: So I think the road to get there we have

977
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: to focus on because it's maybe what we have left

978
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: and wrote may include Dillian White early next year, and

979
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: then maybe a two fight series against the winner of

980
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: Usik Joshua, Like we may only have three fights left

981
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: with him. But to what you're saying, I think mentally

982
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: he is a fighting man, as he says. You know,

983
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: he comes from a lineage of bare knuckle champions, and

984
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 2: that's what serves the will and backbone and fighting spirit

985
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: for him to get out of this, you know, as

986
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: the last man standing. But I don't think he necessarily

987
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: wants to do this, you know, another five, six, seven,

988
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: ten times, No, Luke, I think we're gonna have to

989
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,959
Speaker 2: savor what we have left, all.

990
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: Right, So let's transition to Deontay Wilder, who is something

991
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: of a more complicated character in all of this topic

992
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: Number three. Deontay Wilder, as I said before, I had

993
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: dismissed his chances, and again by the third round, I thought,

994
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: right exactly, here's where we are. But he exceeded expectations

995
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: because he just demonstrated in Iron will be See, he

996
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: wanted the opportunity to go out on his shield, and

997
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury treated it like Brad Pitt in England Laurius

998
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: Bastard's talking to the bear Jew oblige him. He obliged him.

999
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: You wanted to do it? Well, here you are. Congratulations

1000
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: and then not shaking his hand or being sportsman like

1001
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: after the fact. We see. I want to focus in

1002
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: on that, not necessarily to start the conversation. But it's

1003
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: not that I think that the media or the fans

1004
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: should beat him up over it, like, oh what a

1005
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: scoundrel you do? You know you should do better. Well,

1006
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: you should do better. But here's the part that I

1007
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: think he's missing. You're right, dude, Like there is so

1008
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: much love for him as a virtue, I should say

1009
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: as a consequence of this performance that he is actively

1010
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: pushing away and it's that rejection that I don't think

1011
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: is ever going to let him heal. Like, dude, you

1012
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,919
Speaker 1: got to get over the second fight, and you got

1013
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 1: to get over now. Frankly, the results of the third fight,

1014
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: as our friends over on the Showtime Boxing podcast, Eric

1015
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: Raskin and Karen Mlvaney said, Dude, Deontay Wilder is forty

1016
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: two to zero against anyone not named Tyson Fury. I mean,

1017
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,240
Speaker 1: you can like that factor, you can hate that fact,

1018
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: but it's a fact, okay. But to treat this at

1019
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: the end with no grace about what these two shared,

1020
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: about how much he benefited frankly from this moment, about

1021
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: what is still left for him, which we'll talk about

1022
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: just a second, I thought it was it's a shame.

1023
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: But more than that, dude, I just I pity him

1024
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: a little bit. He's rejecting the world when the world

1025
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: is ready to embrace him.

1026
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: I disagree fully, Luke on both sides of that point. One,

1027
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 2: you say, like, you know he hasn't come to terms

1028
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: with the second or third fight, Luke, he doesn't need to.

1029
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: In fact, when he comes to terms with those it

1030
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: might be time for him to retire. Why Because Luke,

1031
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: it's obvious from what we saw his reaction to the

1032
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: second fight has doubled down on those terms ahead of

1033
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: this third fight and then the performance in terms of

1034
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: will that he put out. He is fueled by being

1035
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: so far removed from the real truth, by creating his

1036
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 2: own truth that gives him his edge, that gives him

1037
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: his spite. So why am I not concerned that he

1038
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: didn't shakem and do the sportsman thing. Well, in one

1039
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: regard Luke, he's become the villain in boxing because he's

1040
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 2: sort of pushed again because he was never accepted as

1041
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: the hero. So listen to it from this terms and

1042
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 2: you may disagree, and that's fine. There's really no reason

1043
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: he shouldn't have been embraced more by the American public.

1044
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: A six foot seven slugger, an American champion who's jacked

1045
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: and covered with tattoos and great on the microphone and

1046
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: has a heartwarming story of only coming to boxing because

1047
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: his daughter had spina bifida and he needed money to

1048
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 2: pay for bills, and he becomes this accidental Olympic medalist

1049
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 2: and all this stuff, Luke, And you know, maybe it's

1050
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: because of where boxing was in regards to the American

1051
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 2: team sport landscape, or maybe what he says a lot

1052
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: when given the chance is there's racial undertones in And

1053
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: I'm not saying anyone here has to agree with that, Yeah,

1054
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: but that might be the truth that he lives by.

1055
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 2: He was never embraced, and I know he gets caught

1056
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 2: up in the wrong way. I'm like, I'm fighting a

1057
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: foreigner and I'm from the US and the media, you know,

1058
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: and in the networks they need to stand by me

1059
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: and not criticize me. That's all bullshit. But again, Luke,

1060
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: that's what fuels him. He's never been embraced and loved

1061
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways by his own country. He

1062
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: would fight on on mainstream TV and not get big ratings,

1063
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: and you're like, what else would this guy need to do?

1064
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: So from his standpoint, that callous. That's what fuels him.

1065
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: The second he goes up to Hawilder and Fury and

1066
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 2: hugs him and shakes his hand and says, no, that's

1067
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: when he loses that edge. Is it not sport it's

1068
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: not sportsman like. But Luke, you know it wasn't sportsman like.

1069
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: Lebron not shaking hands when he lost that time in

1070
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: the conference finals, Isaiah Thomas and the Piston's not shaking

1071
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: the hands of the bulls in the ninety one Eastern

1072
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: Conference finals and just walking off. God, we've seen it before.

1073
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: And this is the damn fight game where heroes and

1074
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: villains are always sort of properly cast.

1075
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: But I understand the point you're trying to make, Like this,

1076
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: this is the same rage that propelled him. But two

1077
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: facts you just have to acknowledge here. First, all that

1078
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: rage didn't change the circumstance of the third fight. It

1079
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: made it better, It made it certainly more interesting, It

1080
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: got them a little bit further. Foreshore no out about it.

1081
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: But in the end that round seven in the second

1082
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: fight with the towel notwithstanding, in terms of just so

1083
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 1: the authorities being as it were, intervening the third round,

1084
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: the third fight went exactly the same in that sense.

1085
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: More to the point, dude, as somebody who you know, listen, anybody.

1086
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: Who exactly the third run in the second.

1087
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: I don't mean exactly at the contours of the seventh

1088
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: round with the same as the eleventh. What I mean

1089
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: to say is, in the end, dude, you got stopped.

1090
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: You got and this time, oh you went out in

1091
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: your shield. Well now there's zero debate about it, like

1092
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: you got absolutely no excuse at this point to points you.

1093
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: Although maybe he will, I don't know. We'll see how

1094
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: things go. So one, it didn't. It didn't materially improve

1095
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 1: your situation. You go to Wikipedia. There's still a big

1096
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: ass l on there the whole way through. It didn't

1097
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: change your fortunes Number one and number two. Dude, if

1098
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: you keep carrying the salt from that wound over time,

1099
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit how much you put on

1100
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: the weight room, it will act. It will fucking bury you.

1101
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: You cannot use that all the time for success. It

1102
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: will either extinguish itself over time or it will consume

1103
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: you one way or the other. You can use. This

1104
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: is the truth about young men. Be seeing you know this.

1105
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: You can use rage and rejection to get actually pretty far,

1106
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: but you cannot maximize yourself on the backs of those.

1107
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 1: And as long as he holds onto the idea that

1108
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: everything he did was right, and there's no lesson to learn. Dude,

1109
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: you will fucking repeat it, whether it's against Tyson Ferior

1110
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: or somebody else.

1111
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're you're right. From a therapist point of view,

1112
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: you're I mean, we saw Doc five, right. You can't

1113
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: be carrying around that that rage and anger and and

1114
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: all that stuff. You need to heal and grow as people.

1115
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 2: Fighting is a little bit different, Luke, and some people

1116
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: you remember that seeing a white man can't jump. I'm

1117
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: in an fin zone. I you know you. Most people

1118
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: play play worse when they're mad, but you're one of

1119
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: the rare ones who plays better. Some people can just fuel.

1120
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: That's real life. Do you know what I am on

1121
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 2: the basketball court, Luke, I'm certainly not athletic. Nobody you

1122
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 2: know what I am. I'm a mental savant who comes

1123
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: after people, and that's why I get into so many

1124
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: near fistfights, because, Luke, I've been compensating for a lack

1125
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: of athleticism by playing mind games with people including you

1126
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: in this show right now, for years. Brother. Okay, but

1127
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: number three, Luke, if I'm that far down to my points, bro,

1128
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 2: that may work for general middle America. This is boxing.

1129
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: This is a guy who doesn't have foundational technique at all.

1130
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: In fact, I just criticized him for eighteen months. All

1131
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: he gained was muscle. He did nothing in that eighteen

1132
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: months that in terms was applicable to that fight. Yet,

1133
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: don't miss this, Luke. There's one man that can do

1134
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: this to him, and that's Tyson Fury.

1135
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 1: Everyone else Wilder.

1136
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: Probably stops late. I'm at that point right now, all.

1137
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: Right, So we'll talk about that just a second. The

1138
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: last thing on this is I'll just say I don't

1139
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: think that the lack of the sportsmanship towards Fury is

1140
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: a thing where we should like, oh, what allows you

1141
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: need to be a better sportsman. It's the fight game.

1142
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: People say, I mean things to each other. Not everyone

1143
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: wants to shake hands at the end. I understand. What

1144
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: I merely mean to say is the third fight, to

1145
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: MEBC looked like what he wanted the second fight to be,

1146
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: not so much the outcome, but the chances he wanted

1147
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: the way it was going to go, changing things up,

1148
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: showing more of himself, putting Fury on the canvas, and

1149
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: then be getting a chance to go out on his shield.

1150
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: He got in a sense what he wanted, and in

1151
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: the end it did not improve his fortunes. In the end,

1152
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: he still got stopped. In the end, it was still

1153
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: in l Dude. If you got to someplace based on

1154
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: rage and rejection and fuck everybody, which I've been there

1155
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: a couple times. I'm not saying it's not valuable. It's

1156
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: actually pretty valuable. But the problem is it doesn't carry

1157
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: you to full potential. In fact, it hinders it exactly.

1158
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: And here is a chance for him to reflect on

1159
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: the fact that you got what you wanted. We got

1160
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: rid of Mark Breeland, we got rid of all the

1161
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 1: people you said were poisonous. You got to go out

1162
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: in your shield. Now where are you? You're on your

1163
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: back looking up at the lights with another l on there. Dude,

1164
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 1: what did it? How did it profit?

1165
00:56:58,600 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 3: Down?

1166
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: Oh Ice dropped the best heavyweight of this era, and

1167
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: four times overall on a three fight rivalry, an unbeaten

1168
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: guy that no one's beaten in the only one to

1169
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: beat Wilder. I'm not saying this is great for a

1170
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: Wilder socially, that he's gonna be mentally healthy the rest

1171
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 2: of his career because he didn't shake this guy's hand.

1172
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: I'm saying to keep him who he is in this

1173
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: edge in the fight game. Everyone else probably gets knocked

1174
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: out against him. Luke, he found the one guy and

1175
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: he put his best foot forward in the third fight.

1176
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: And we can't argue that this was not the second fight.

1177
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: The second fight was one way traffic and you know.

1178
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: It, Luke, right. But this is what I'm saying is

1179
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: the third fight was I think more of a representation

1180
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: of what he had hoped the second fight would have been.

1181
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: Not the ultimate outcome. Obviously he wanted to win, but

1182
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is he got He didn't get a

1183
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: he didn't get a corner who he thought was gonna

1184
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: throw in the towel. He had a good strategy at

1185
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: least from the beginning, right go into the body. Maybe

1186
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: that didn't work the whole way through, but it certainly

1187
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,479
Speaker 1: put Tyson Fury off for that first round. He didn't

1188
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: know what the fuck he was looking at. I'm just

1189
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: pointing out, dude, if you're a true sportsman in this game,

1190
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: not sportsmanship, but a guy who wants to win, think

1191
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: about things. If you get your way, all right, let's

1192
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: try it your way. What did he get you it's,

1193
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: of course, dude, incredible that he put Tyson Fury down

1194
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: two times in the fourth. All I'm pointing out is

1195
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: if you get your way and it doesn't ultimately change

1196
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: your fortunes, there is a moment as an adult man,

1197
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: you have to reflect on that and say how much

1198
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: did I profit from this?

1199
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 3: Some?

1200
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: But not enough to matter in the end in terms

1201
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,959
Speaker 1: of winning and losing. Now, let's praise Deontay Wilder, because

1202
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to end on a sour note. With

1203
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: all that being said, BC, I love the point that

1204
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: you raise, and I agree with you. What's next, Joshua

1205
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: has to fight Usick. They've triggered the rematch clause. They're

1206
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: going to do that one again, Fury. Excuse me. Wilder

1207
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: might end up retiring, but assuming he stays around BC,

1208
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: and it won't be next because we all know about

1209
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: all the mandatories and all the obstacles that are in there.

1210
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: But if Tyson Fury can barely withstand the power of

1211
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: a guy like Deontay Wilder, I'm not sure Anthony Joshua

1212
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: can gun to your head. If that version of Deontay

1213
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: Wilder fought the one we saw against USIK. Now, granted,

1214
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: he was lighter for Usick and whatever, but that more

1215
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: or less that version who wins. And I gotta tell you,

1216
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: Joshua was the better boxer. I'm putting my money on

1217
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder.

1218
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, I know there's a lot of

1219
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: people going, oh wow, there's trash and you know Usical

1220
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: out boxing. Of course Usik would outbox andhim. The question

1221
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: is Canusic in the second half of the fight take

1222
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: these shots. Wilder's not going anywhere in these fights unless

1223
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 2: you can get him out of there. I think. You know, obviously, Joshua,

1224
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: if he fought Wilder, has the power to do that.

1225
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: If it was a combustible brawl in the early on, yeah,

1226
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 2: Joshua could get him out of there. But dude, no,

1227
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: people don't have that type of will that Wilder showed

1228
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: and carry your power late like that. If he wants

1229
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: to continue, and I would hope, Luke, if he does that,

1230
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: he takes a considerable amount of time because he took

1231
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: a he took a beating in this right, I mean,

1232
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: let's not sugarcoat that at all. There's still money to

1233
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: be made, and I do think he's still a player

1234
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: because he's not relying on scale. Look like there's not

1235
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: a fight in which he's trying to outbox anybody. The

1236
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: only fight of his life that he won that he

1237
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: didn't score a knockout was the first fight against Deverne

1238
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: because he broke his right hand, so he tried with

1239
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 2: the left hook and it didn't work and he wanted decision.

1240
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: So he's gonna that style will actually serve him well.

1241
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 2: Should he hang on, you know, too long and it's twilight,

1242
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: I don't think we'll see a lot of him, But

1243
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: I do wonder if the pride inside of him, the

1244
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: warrior inside of him, the spiteful guy that he's sort

1245
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: of build it up to be by avoiding that handshake

1246
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: and giving sportsmanship its proper moment. You know, again, it's

1247
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: boxing to me. Whatever this. You know, this guy's been

1248
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: through a different path than a lot of us, which

1249
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: has built that callous of the way. He sees the

1250
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 2: world differently, well, probably incorrectly in some areas, but it's

1251
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 2: his worldview, dude. You know, whether PBC wants to eventually

1252
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: put him in with Andy Ruiz or or he wants

1253
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: to wait around to see to fight the loser of

1254
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 2: Joshua USIK or whatever. There's money to be made, and

1255
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be live and a lot of

1256
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 2: these fights. I think the real the only question, Luke

1257
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: is can he will himself again to be willing to

1258
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: do this because this was Let's not overlook what this

1259
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: fight offered wild there. People think he's done now, even

1260
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: though we respect him for the effort. The general consensus,

1261
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 2: if you ask anybody, would be all, he's done. We've

1262
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 2: seen him stop twice in a row. Now he's done.

1263
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 2: I think people will overlook that it's only Fury that

1264
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: can do that. What was at stake here was a lot.

1265
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 2: It was a complete repairing of his career. He could

1266
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 2: have been some arguments won the rivalry had he beat

1267
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: Fury here. I don't know if he can get to

1268
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: this level of desire, hunger and commitment again. He would

1269
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: have to prove that to us, Luke. But you know,

1270
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: if we see him at the second half of next year,

1271
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: I think that's probable.

1272
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I gotta say, I mean, this is

1273
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: the thing we mentioned at the top of the show.

1274
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: It is worth reiterating against guys not named Tyson Fury.

1275
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder is forty two and oh, it's just a reality.

1276
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Speaker 1: If he puts gloves on any not named Tyson Fury,

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01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: history has shown they simply don't last. And what he tried,

1278
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: what he tried once he stepped through those ropes, is

1279
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: a level of commitment. Won't you will seldom see You

1280
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 1: will seldom see somebody who is willing to give that

1281
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: much of himself in pursuit of Frankly, by the eighth

1282
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Speaker 1: or ninth round, I won't say a hopeless cause, but

1283
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: a pretty damn distant one. And he was still trying,

1284
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: and he was still trying, and he was still trying.

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01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: I agree with you, he took a bad beating. He

1286
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: should take some time off. But this is the part

1287
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: that I mean, we see in the end, In the end, dude,

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Speaker 1: even through this loss, I feel like the world is

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Speaker 1: ready to accept Deontay Wilder for the great parts that

1290
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: he can offer boxing, which are considerable. I feel like

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01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: the American audience finally got a bit of a wake

1292
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Speaker 1: up call about how dangerous he is. I feel like

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01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: he showed his power. You know, he didn't carry late

1294
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: innest sense of he gassed, but it's just formidable against

1295
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: any name, including the very best one in boxing that

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Speaker 1: we have today. When you reject that, you reject an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I think, frankly to grow. I think, if anything, dude,

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01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: he elevated his name and his stakes, and frankly, I

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01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: think he became a much more popular figure in America

1300
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: by fighting a brit Dude. This is the last thing

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01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: I'll say about Deontay Wilder. Like dude, Joshua face down Usik,

1302
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: and he fought Klitschko, and he's fought. To your point,

1303
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: he's got the best resume on paper. But there's something

1304
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: special about now what we know about Tyson Fury and

1305
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: Deontay Wilder, not just fighting him three times, begging for

1306
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: the third fight, could not wait to sign up against

1307
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: this guy. There is something very admirable about trying to

1308
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: beat the very very very best, especially when you're not

1309
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: quite handicapped in that sense obviously, but when you have

1310
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: relatively speaking, much less boxing skill. This dude tried to

1311
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: put it on the line against the very best, not once,

1312
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: not twice, but the rice didn't come up with the W.

1313
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: But you have got got to respect that commitment.

1314
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 2: Yes, no, yes, I agree with you.

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01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: What are you being the robot four? Any final thoughts

1316
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: on Deonte? No, are you okay? Did you just get like?

1317
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: Did someone just die in front of you? What happened?

1318
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: I gave I gave you my best, all right, people

1319
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 2: give you my best?

1320
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Speaker 1: All right? That's the end there. Uh, phenomenal, phenomenal. Okay,

1321
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: let's talk a little UFCBC. I don't know if you

1322
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: had a chance to catch it. I'm hoping you did

1323
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: since it's on the rundown.

1324
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 2: But we switched now a professional all right.

1325
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: All right, very good, very very good, very good. All right,

1326
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: So topic number four at UFC Vegas thirty nine. I

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01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: think it was something like that Mackenzie Dern came up

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01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: short against Marina Hadriguez. We'll talk about Mackenzie just a second,

1329
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Speaker 1: but first for Hadriguez BC, you'll get the first question.

1330
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Speaker 1: Was this win in the way that it happened, worthy

1331
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: of leapfrogging Carla Esparza to get the title shot? Even

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01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: counting the comments that Harodriguez made saying Sparza deserves.

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01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 2: It first, No, it wasn't enough. Luke Rodriguez is gonna

1334
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 2: have Look, this is a star division. Let's be honest.

1335
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 2: It's the best women's division in terms of consistent matchmaking

1336
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: and the amount of legit title contender. It's also a

1337
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: very marketable one. Rodriguez is not a marketable personality or name,

1338
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: and all that she has to do it with style

1339
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 2: and skill. To her credit, we've only seen her lose once,

1340
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 2: and that's what decision to Esparza. This was a strong

1341
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 2: win five rounds. Gutsy overcame what I thought should have

1342
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 2: been a ten to eight round across the board in

1343
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 2: round two, in which she spend most of it on

1344
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: her back, even in full mount, even though let's give

1345
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 2: her credit for applying that choke early and really making

1346
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: during uncomfortable. I have so many good things to say

1347
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 2: about Hadriguez, in her adjustments and her ability to keep

1348
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 2: the final three rounds at distance. On her best terms,

1349
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 2: she has a legitimate title contender. Luke, I actually think

1350
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 2: the fight to make is a rematch with her and

1351
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: Asparsa right now, especially if we're not really sure rose

1352
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 2: Way Lee could end up in a trilogy for all

1353
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: we know if the second fight is great. Also, Yoanna

1354
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 2: is in the picture. It's a crowded area. The story's

1355
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 2: Mackenzie Durham, though, Luke, Let's be honest.

1356
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: Why is the story Mackenzie.

1357
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 2: Durn because what we needed to have answered coming in here,

1358
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: because Mackenzie Durham is a potentially big marketable force. We

1359
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 2: needed to find out if her game was well rounded

1360
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 2: and elite enough, even though it's top heavy in one

1361
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 2: area of the ground, to be able to eat to

1362
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 2: beat the perfect sort of potential elite gatekeeper in Hadriguez.

1363
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 2: And what we found out, Luke, as it wasn't in

1364
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 2: almost a humbling way. Was it a competitive fight, yes,

1365
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 2: it won fight of the night. It was fun, there

1366
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 2: was action, there were twist and turns. But Mackenzie durn

1367
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 2: not ready for prime time yet, Luke, in terms of

1368
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 2: beating somebody of this category.

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01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: All right, Well, speaking of Hadriguez, first, I mean her

1370
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: last three fights, well since the aspar as a loss

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01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: basically which was a split decision. She stopped Amanda Heboss,

1372
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: she beat Waterson, and then she beat Durn. Here, that's

1373
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: a hell of a wind streak. I mean, title shot

1374
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: worthy eye. I agree with you, probably not enough either

1375
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,959
Speaker 1: from a marketing standpoint, frankly a meritocratic standpoint, A little

1376
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: bit more work to be done. You just don't quite

1377
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: have that case to leap frog as far as us,

1378
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: so that should stay in the way that it was.

1379
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Speaker 1: I will say it reminded me a little bit, a

1380
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: little bit, just a tad of like Ralsi versus Home,

1381
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: where you thought, if Rolsi could get home to the ground,

1382
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: the differential was so enormous, surely she would have her

1383
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: way with her. And if you go back to that fight,

1384
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: Ralsi did get home to the ground, if not once,

1385
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: maybe twice, and there were some pretty precarious moments, but

1386
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: in the end she couldn't get it done. And then

1387
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: there was obviously she got finished on the feat Durn

1388
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: did not. She had a little bit more to offer

1389
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: here and it went the full distance. But people keep

1390
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, what Dern needs is her wrestling, Well,

1391
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: the wrestling is a big part of it. That's true.

1392
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: Obviously on the ground she needs no help whatsoever. But

1393
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: it just shows you in modern MMA a couple things.

1394
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 1: One on the ground, how Driguez was no match for Dern,

1395
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: but she showed enough submission defense and positional awareness to

1396
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: basically diffuse a bomb for four minutes straight. If you're

1397
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: McKenzie Derner and you have someone on the ground for

1398
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: four minutes, you probably feel like, that's the fight should

1399
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: not go on at that point, and it did. It

1400
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: just shows even with the modern jiu jitsu and the

1401
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: best versions of it, with Demian Maya, McKenzie Durny coming over,

1402
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: that can sometimes be against an opponent who is playing

1403
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 1: nothing but defense. They're parking the bus tomorrow from soccer.

1404
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily enough to win. First of all, it

1405
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 1: win the round, but not the fight. And the second

1406
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: part I'd say is, dude, it's not just the wrestling.

1407
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: The striking has to get you into distance with it,

1408
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: and then once you're there, your opponent needs to be

1409
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: confused enough about what's coming to make the wrestling better.

1410
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: To me, dude, this was a regression from the last fight.

1411
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: I thought she was showing really good striking McKenzie Dern

1412
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: when she faced off against Nina Nuna, she had that

1413
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: nice strip. This one, to me, reminded me of the

1414
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,600
Speaker 1: random Marcos fights or the Hannah Cephrus fights. Now she

1415
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: won those fights, b see, but I didn't feel like

1416
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: the progression was still happening on areas I guess outside

1417
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: of jiu jitsu.

1418
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was this was a setback in a lot

1419
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 2: of ways. It's what happens when you step up to

1420
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 2: the level of competition where to be fair, you have

1421
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: to be a complete fighter at this level to beat

1422
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 2: these type of fighters, and does Darren is just not there, Luke,

1423
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 2: And I thought you you brought up in Look, you

1424
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 2: don't want to you don't want to put too much

1425
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 2: negative on her because she she stayed competitive and even

1426
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 2: somewhat dangerous for five rounds and going to the five

1427
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 2: round level is always a leap at this point. But

1428
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 2: for Drn to have that level of dominance in round

1429
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 2: two and really not have Rodriguez close to to anything

1430
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 2: bad Luke, to get full mount again at a point

1431
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: in round three even and be able to do nothing

1432
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 2: with it. That that's tough, Luke. That shows that she is,

1433
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 2: you know, far far from a finished product. Her striking

1434
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 2: game is so dependent upon upon controlling the terms like

1435
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 2: things have to go Mackenzie Durn's way completely for her

1436
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 2: to have success, meaning she can use her striking to

1437
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 2: get inside, take you down, and then just use that

1438
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 2: slide in athleticism. But when you've got someone stubborn, defensively

1439
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: smart who can make adjustments and then can bring the

1440
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 2: fight back up to the feet Mackenzie. Durn's striking game

1441
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 2: offers no nuance up to this point. She does not

1442
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 2: know how to counterstrike whatsoever, does not know how to

1443
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 2: be successful unless she's coming forward looking to almost use

1444
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 2: her striking. And let's give her credit, she's figured out

1445
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 2: a right hand and knows how to use it as

1446
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: a weapon, but it's still a function of trying to

1447
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 2: get close to take her opponent down. And I think

1448
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 2: when you factor in which you pointed out in the

1449
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 2: preview of this fight, her very low takedown percentage, she's

1450
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 2: still very raw, Luke, and there are parts of her

1451
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 2: game that are quasi elite conditioning, strength, comfortability on the ground,

1452
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: all of that. And look, you know, she didn't fold,

1453
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 2: she didn't gas out, although I think it was fair

1454
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 2: after round two. She didn't have that same crispness to

1455
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 2: her cardio, which is sometimes a hard lesson you can

1456
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 2: only learn in your first five round fight. Steve A.

1457
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 2: Meocich had to learn that against Junior Dosantos, after some

1458
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 2: big success early and losing that fight in their first meeting.

1459
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 2: It's not enough to be afraid that Durn will never

1460
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 2: get there. She's still young, and the evolution has been

1461
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 2: fairly consistent the last three four fights, but Luke not

1462
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 2: there yet and really not that close yet to being there,

1463
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 2: and so I think there's a lot she's gonna have

1464
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 2: to go back and repair.

1465
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:20,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's right. It wasn't a disaster,

1466
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't a total loss, but the truth of the

1467
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: fight to me is quite sobering. On the ground, I

1468
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: don't think there's really anyone in that division that can

1469
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: hang with her. But even with that differential, that doesn't

1470
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: mean I had people tweeting me like, oh, she needs

1471
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: this one takedown and it's finished. Dude, know that's just

1472
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: not how modern mma works. Man. Marina Hadriguez is not

1473
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,839
Speaker 1: the same as McKenzie dene on the ground and literally

1474
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: never will be. But one takedown. This is magical thinking

1475
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: at the modern game, at the highest level, it's simply

1476
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: not enough. And the sobering reality is, like, dude, it's

1477
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: not just the wrestling, it's not just the striking. It's

1478
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: just it's just development overall that kind of has to happen,

1479
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: that kind of has to work out. I'd even argu you,

1480
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: while her jiu jitsu was dominant, maybe tailoring that towards

1481
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: some other types of attacks, hunting the back more regularly

1482
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. Then rather just you know,

1483
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: she was doing a lot of knee cut passing on top,

1484
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: which again I'm not here to say that my jiu

1485
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: jitsu is better. It's not or I understand it better.

1486
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying if you've got a guy down for

1487
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: four or an opponent down for four minutes and you

1488
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: can't finish him off, there might be some alternative ways

1489
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: to approach us. Anyway, it was a bit of a

1490
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: reset moment, I thought, and the career of BECKINSI Durnam

1491
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: she was beginning to build. This is gonna be another

1492
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: one of those moments where she's gonna have to pivot

1493
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: off of and then have another growth opportunity on top

1494
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: of it. Hadriguez looks like we'll have to wait for

1495
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: a title shot after another bout.

1496
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 2: She needs more skills, Look, she needs she needs more skill.

1497
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 2: I think she relied for so long on size and

1498
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 2: athleticism for this weight class and it's not gonna cut

1499
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: it against the leads.

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01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: It's just not It's not all right. So point number

1501
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: five BC last, but cimically not least. Who else from

1502
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: UFC Vegas thirty nine. Of course, this was the card

1503
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: over the weekend. Mackenzie, Durham and Hadriguez were headlining. Who

1504
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: else from that card either impressed you in a good

1505
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 1: way stood out to you in a bad way. Give

1506
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: me a shout out of someone that deserves one for

1507
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: better or for worse.

1508
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a deep card coming in and again I

1509
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 2: give ESPN and the UFC credit to not have it

1510
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 2: go against the Wilder Fury fight, and they put it

1511
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 2: on earlier in the day. But Maria Agapova Agapova from Kazakhstan,

1512
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 2: LUCA Women's Flyway, this is the kind of comeback win

1513
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 2: that she needed the way that she lost to Shannon

1514
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 2: Dobson as a minus one thousand favorite after coming in

1515
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: last time with so much hype as like the next

1516
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 2: big thing here looking like Yoana with the with the

1517
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 2: quick activity levels and the confidence in the swagger. Luke

1518
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: this comeback win against Sabrina Sabina Mazo. You're the first

1519
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:47,480
Speaker 2: Colombian female fighter to enter the octagon. Was thorough, was devastating,

1520
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: was crisp on the striking. I'm not saying that that

1521
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: Maria is ready for title content or anything like that.

1522
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 2: There are so many questions she still needs answered on

1523
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 2: the ground in a lot of efforts of her game

1524
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 2: beyond just setting people up with that left cross. But

1525
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 2: I don't think you can overvalue Luke mentally what the

1526
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 2: type of loss she had against Dobson can do to

1527
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 2: you as a fighter. I mean she absolutely crumbled fatigue wise,

1528
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 2: mentally and essentially almost like tapped out due to strikes

1529
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 2: that one. But I mean it was just like a

1530
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 2: complete like I am done. She came back, got in

1531
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 2: the best shape of her career. They mentioned on the

1532
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 2: broadcast that she had some personal setbacks. People had to

1533
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 2: give her money to be able to figure out her

1534
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 2: you know, to do a full training camp, whatever combination

1535
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 2: she did to come back. She put the wheels back

1536
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 2: on the car and she's back on the road. Luke,

1537
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 2: this was very good. I mean that striking is going

1538
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 2: to be hard to be in this division. Let's see

1539
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 2: if she can continue to grow with the right types

1540
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 2: of matchmaking to round out the parts of her game.

1541
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: That need to I mean she had Mazo's number from

1542
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: the word go. That means they had a good game

1543
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: plan and they had scouted Maso. Well it worked. I

1544
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,759
Speaker 1: don't off to perfection, but work pretty goddamn well early

1545
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: and they just stuck to it and Maso couldn't really

1546
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: make any adjustment. She was trying to faint to get Maso,

1547
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,799
Speaker 1: excuse me, to get Agapova to throw first worked on occasion,

1548
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: and when she did, you know Maso was beginning to land.

1549
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: But Mazo is one of these types where she got

1550
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: famous from these two sort of headkicks that went viral

1551
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: from LFA or one of the regional shows. And the

1552
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: reason why is because when she can begin to get

1553
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: the hands going in rhythm and in volume, she sets

1554
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: up the legs and then therefore you know she has

1555
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: the success that she has right, but it's all part

1556
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 1: of a overall volume and b high low. If she

1557
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: can't ever really get going with the hands, there's not

1558
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: much else there for her to adjust to. A gop

1559
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: of a never let her and do that right hand

1560
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 1: that set her down. She took every ounce of that

1561
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,799
Speaker 1: punch and credit to a gap of a man jumping

1562
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: on the back seat. This is the thing I wrote

1563
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: on Twitter at the time. How many times have you

1564
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: seen someone take a They take a nice punch and

1565
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: they look hurt and then their opponent goes to take

1566
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: them down, their opponent recovers. Here's a case where a

1567
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: gopav A drilled her opponent, dropped her, and then clamped

1568
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: onto the back BC. So even if the choke didn't work,

1569
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm in an advantageous position to keep trying thereafter. That's

1570
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: a much better tactical decision to your point where she

1571
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: just kind of collapsed against Shannon Dobson the last time.

1572
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: Good improvement.

1573
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 2: She's only twenty four, and I think what's most important

1574
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 2: is she figured out how to be patient without lowering

1575
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: her activity level.

1576
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: Right.

1577
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 2: She took away the recklessness, but she stayed, she stayed dangerous,

1578
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 2: and she's just someone to watch. Luke, There's still a

1579
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 2: lot that needs to be done, but she's someone to watch.

1580
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: I would give a quick shot out if I could,

1581
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: to Damon Jackson on the prelim card, who defeated Charles

1582
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: Rosa via twenty nine twenty eight and then twenty nine

1583
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: twenty seven, then thirty twenty seven, dude losing what could

1584
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: only be described as a medically alarming amount of blood.

1585
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: Charles Rosa hit him with a spinning back elbow and

1586
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: it cut him right along the side of the face

1587
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: basically right over or above the temple in a vertical line, right,

1588
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: And this thing was not just to say it was

1589
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: leaking blood would not be accurate. It was billowing blood.

1590
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 1: It was sir urging blood. Look like a guys there,

1591
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: there was so much blood that had spilled, which, by

1592
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: the way, when he was making a wrestling heavy game plan,

1593
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: that makes it even harder, kind of acts in a

1594
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: gross way as a bit of a lubricant. Unfortunately, So

1595
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: even with that, he was able to get the win.

1596
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,759
Speaker 1: He stayed, he didn't get distracted, he didn't get bothered.

1597
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: And Charles Rossa a tough competitor, especially in the way

1598
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 1: in which that Jackson was trying to fight him. But

1599
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: he got it done. So I'm sure that's been a

1600
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: bit of a rough recovery, but credit to him for

1601
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:28,719
Speaker 1: not losing bearing.

1602
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 2: You know what no man wants to talk about again.

1603
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 2: You ever look at the floor in the birthing room after.

1604
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: Birth, Oh, it's a murder scene.

1605
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 2: That's what the fricking cage look like after that fight.

1606
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 2: The rest of the way, Luke, we haven't seen that

1607
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 2: type of size stain on the USC octagon in a while,

1608
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 2: you know, that's old school. That's like two thousand and

1609
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 2: six looking stains that we used to see.

1610
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was bad, it was bad. Okay, before we

1611
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: get to DMS with Donks, I forgot this at the

1612
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: top of the show. I want to remind folks, if

1613
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: you haven't done it yet, please leave us a nice

1614
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: review on Apple podcast In fact, our producers are telling

1615
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,879
Speaker 1: us if you leave a review and you make it funny,

1616
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: the producers will pick the funniest review and you'll get

1617
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: a fifty dollars gift card. So leave a five star review,

1618
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: give us a nice review on Apple podcasts, make it funny,

1619
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: and we'll pick one winner and we'll send you I'll

1620
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: send you some scratch. How about that?

1621
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 2: Even more Luke, our merch maven r Dre grundle Maker

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Speaker 2: has let us know that that special code in honor

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Speaker 2: of one hundred k today on our Morningcombat Dot store website,

1624
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 2: which I believe is thank you one hundred k, We're

1625
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 2: going to extend that Luke for twenty four full hours

1626
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:40,479
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1627
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 2: So take advantage of that. Leave the Apple review, bring

1628
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 2: your best stuff. Winner gets fifty bucks. Luke, why not

1629
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 2: use that fifty bucks to outfit yourself in this at

1630
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 2: the at your kid's soccer game. I mean, you know

1631
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 2: you could do a lot worse than this.

1632
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: You could do a lot worse. I certainly agree, and

1633
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: look before you continue.

1634
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 2: By the way, you and I will be will be

1635
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 2: in the damn orchids of combat this week. Bro.

1636
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: That's right. We're gonna be back in studio on Wednesday

1637
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: and we'll be there for our Wednesday show, Friday show.

1638
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: We'll have some Belator coverage for you and maybe some

1639
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: other surprises, so stay tuned. Should be fun. All right, BC,

1640
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: it is time for us to entertain the questions from

1641
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: the audience. It's time for dms from dogs he haw

1642
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: he hey haw, all right BC. From Kieran Underscore edwards two.

1643
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: It's a good question, with Fury now breaking both the

1644
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: versace robe and Drake curses. I didn't even know about

1645
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 1: the Drake curse. Would him breaking the resume review curse

1646
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 1: make him the goat of all existence? I think so?

1647
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 2: So let's say he Let's say you thought Dillion White next,

1648
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 2: which if our MMA fans aren't aren't aware, Dillion White

1649
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,799
Speaker 2: is a very capable out in this boxing game, Fury

1650
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 2: would be a clear favorite. But White's big, he strong,

1651
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 2: all that, And we picked Fury for the resume review

1652
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 2: curse and he beat Luke. I don't know we're doing

1653
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 2: one before that Luke. That we'll see if the curse

1654
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 2: is still standing. But that would be remarkable if he

1655
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 2: could end all curses, all right.

1656
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: Have to say, if we did one on him and

1657
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: he ended it, especially if we get to like zero

1658
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: to ten or something, we might have to just change

1659
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: the show to like Tyson Fury. He's got big old balls,

1660
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, combat or whatever the case. I think you're right, yeah,

1661
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: all right from Tyson underscore calm. Would Mark Breeland have

1662
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: thrown in the towel on Deontay Wilder? I think he

1663
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: means on Saturday Night. It's actually not a bad question, BC,

1664
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: What do you think it's not?

1665
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 2: But I don't believe. So people really need to remember

1666
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 2: how bad while there was in that second fight in

1667
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 2: terms of like, okay, so he was draggon in this fight.

1668
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 2: He was in zombie mode, but again he had flurries

1669
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 2: of action at the end of so many of these

1670
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 2: rounds that he kept himself in the fight. He wasn't

1671
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 2: in that second fight in any circumstance. And Luke, he

1672
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 2: also had blood coming out of his ear in the

1673
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 2: second fight, which he had upon the not out here

1674
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 2: in the third fight. But you know, you got blood

1675
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:04,919
Speaker 2: coming from your ear, whether from a cut or internal.

1676
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 2: I mean, look, that's that seems to be next level.

1677
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,759
Speaker 2: He had a busted up face. I did see Mark Brilin,

1678
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 2: by the way, after the fight, put out a video

1679
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 2: of himself inside a ring in a hotel in Atlantic City,

1680
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 2: just shadow boxing, and he wrote, great fight. I don't

1681
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 2: think there was anything negative there. I think he was

1682
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 2: just just uh, you know. But look, at the end

1683
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 2: of the day, Wilder got what he wanted, but he

1684
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 2: also didn't put himself into a position where Malik Scott

1685
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 2: or j Diis or Don House would have had to

1686
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 2: make a really tough decision.

1687
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: Luke.

1688
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 2: Although, did you hear that they literally did not allow

1689
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 2: towels in the corner so that the fight couldn't be

1690
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just okay, that's ridiculous.

1691
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: Luke, that's just so stupid and frankly, dude, I gotta

1692
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: say I saw this before, Like Malik Scott was like, oh,

1693
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: there's no way i'll throw it. Let me explain something

1694
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: to you, man. You know, not that I'm encouraging lying

1695
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: before the Commission, but the Commission should not give a

1696
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: license to anyone who says I'm never throwing the towel. Sorry,

1697
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 1: you don't get one. You don't get one. You know.

1698
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how to solve the problem with people saying, oh,

1699
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: I'll throw it and they never do. That's a separate issue.

1700
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: But if you're just pledging to never throw it, get

1701
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: the fuck out of here. I'm not okay with that.

1702
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 2: It I mean you think, I mean, Balboa has to

1703
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 2: live with that the rest of his life, Luke, exactly.

1704
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: The one thing I would say about this is there

1705
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: were definitely some weird spots in this fight BC where

1706
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: it got a little hairy, you know, But it never

1707
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: reached that moment where you were like, well, maybe after

1708
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: the tenth maybe they could have maybe really would have

1709
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: been like, I'm not sending you back.

1710
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: Out at his best work, he saved himself. He had

1711
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 2: his best work to close the tenth while.

1712
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll say this, a different referee and a

1713
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:47,799
Speaker 1: different corner potentially could have but you're right, the second

1714
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: fight he got knocked down in the third, he got

1715
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: knocked down in the fifth, and he was never in

1716
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 1: that fight. There were moments in this fight, several big

1717
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: ones in fact, where he was definitely in it, So

1718
01:22:57,800 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: a little bit different in that case.

1719
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 2: We should remark, Ran Luke. When we're on a topic

1720
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 2: too long, you know, sometimes you and I just argue

1721
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 2: and linger and our producers hit us in the chat

1722
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 2: like God, you should probably move on to the MMA

1723
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 2: so the core fans don't get mad. We should just

1724
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: hire Mark Brelan to sit in like the stack guye

1725
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 2: roll and just have the towel ready.

1726
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 1: I agree, you can pay for it all right. From

1727
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: Julian Underscore b Underscore, I I think should Wilder have

1728
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: taken a tune up fight before this one? Dude? What

1729
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: would that have done for him? Nothing? No, fuck no, no.

1730
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 2: Now, the only way he could have or should have

1731
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 2: is if they were literally trying to turn him into

1732
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 2: a boxer. If they had thought the second fight was like, Okay,

1733
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 2: we can't do this at the elite level anymore. You

1734
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 2: can't just stalk people and try to knock them out

1735
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: late in the fight. They didn't do that, Okay, yeah,

1736
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 2: they had They worked the body a little, and he

1737
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 2: tried his jab a few times, but again once once

1738
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 2: that became a fight, it was a fight. There's nothing

1739
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 2: to be gained there.

1740
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

1741
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 2: They actually benefited, Luke, They benefited from fear not being

1742
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 2: you know, the fury of recent memory in this play.

1743
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: Sure, sure he was a little bit off, I thought

1744
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: in this one, but still obviously quite good. All right

1745
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: from at Scott dot McCrate, BC, can you school me

1746
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 1: on the ten count rule in boxing? What happens if

1747
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: it takes the ref let's say, fifteen to twenty seconds

1748
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: to count, is that still considered a ten count? One

1749
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: sort of note here, BC, just to sort of like,

1750
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: you know what answer it? Go ahead? What do you think?

1751
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 2: Okay? So here's where a lot of people get it wrong.

1752
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 2: DC got it wrong on Twitter. I think even andre

1753
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 2: Ward was sort of speculating, was that second knockdown in

1754
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 2: round four when Fury went down, was that a long count?

1755
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 2: Was this Dempsey frickin' gene tunny all over again? No,

1756
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 2: it wasn't. Here's what people forget. It's not ten seconds.

1757
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 2: It's a ten count, and it's at the discretion of

1758
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 2: the referee. The timekeeper begins the count as soon as

1759
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 2: the fighter goes down, and as you often see, once

1760
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 2: the referee gets into position, he turns around to look

1761
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 2: at the timekeeper who's going to and he usually picks

1762
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 2: up the count by three or four. From the moment

1763
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:07,600
Speaker 2: the referee picks up the count, it becomes his count

1764
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: at his cadence. Does that lead a potential for a

1765
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 2: slow or fast count? Potentially yes. But the potential controversy

1766
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 2: on that second knockdown in Route four was people put

1767
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 2: their stopwatch to it. It's like, oh, he was down

1768
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: for twenty seconds. Well, here's the reason why Wilder didn't

1769
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 2: do what you're supposed to do, which is, as soon

1770
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 2: as you knock somebody down, you go to a neutral

1771
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,679
Speaker 2: corner and stay there. He was a little bit too

1772
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 2: happy that he was close to a stoppage and was lingering.

1773
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 2: And boxing rules are playing written. It's referees discretion. If

1774
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 2: someone's not going to the neutral corner, he pauses, the count,

1775
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 2: puts them in the neutral corner, comes back to regain it.

1776
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 2: So some people were saying, oh, you know, if it

1777
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 2: was a real ten seconds, Fury wouldn't have gotten up.

1778
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 2: The thing about Fury on both of those knockdowns. Is

1779
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 2: he was cleared eyed, clear eyed. He was not, you know,

1780
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 2: wobbly on Queer Street, as they say, or they used

1781
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 2: to say, Luke. Luckily they don't say that anymore. He

1782
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 2: was he was hurt, he was dropped, but he was

1783
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 2: clear eyed. So he was waiting for the count. Meaning

1784
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 2: is if the count was fast, he would have got

1785
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 2: up fast. But he's a veteran. He knows to get

1786
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 2: up at eight the refereel, rub off his gloves and

1787
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 2: then we'll continue. So the reason why we have that

1788
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,799
Speaker 2: rule is if watch boxing from the thirties, forties or fifties,

1789
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 2: when somebody knocks somebody out, you could stand over him

1790
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 2: ready to deliver the boom again, you know what I'm saying. So, like,

1791
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm glad they changed that rule, Luke. And while there

1792
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 2: didn't adhere to that rule, so Mora kept the count

1793
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 2: on his own terms. And that's that's how it works.

1794
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 1: Dude.

1795
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 2: I mean, what do we want here? What are we

1796
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 2: trying to say here?

1797
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: Can't add anything better to that? That's a great answer,

1798
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 1: all right? Another one on the boxing side. I think

1799
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: folks were interested by the way. We never really talked

1800
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: about this part. I mean we kind of mentioned it,

1801
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: but like it's worth sort of saying out loud. I

1802
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: liked that the promoter did an all heavyweight card. I'm

1803
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 1: not sure it worked out as they had hoped. Main

1804
01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 1: event notwithstanding, but Comaine down Jagba Sanchez wasn't exactly what

1805
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,759
Speaker 1: we had thought. Helenis I thought was the big winner

1806
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: on the main card, and then obviously that kid Anderson

1807
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: has a long way to go, but he looks pretty good.

1808
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: What did you make of them doing an all heavyway card?

1809
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: Did you like it?

1810
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 2: I loved it. Reminded me of the glory days of

1811
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 2: Don King in the nineteen nineties when we had so

1812
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,759
Speaker 2: many of these. One of the best ones was Madison

1813
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 2: Square Garden I think was ninety six, a very underrated

1814
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 2: fight when Lennox Lewis, fresh off the knockout firsh Off

1815
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 2: losing his title against Oliver McCall had to go in

1816
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,719
Speaker 2: there against a prime Ray Mercer in a ten round war.

1817
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 2: That card was all heavyweights. I love that, Luke. I

1818
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 2: thought that that was great matching making, matchmaking me that

1819
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 2: Cole Maine Faa Jagua is not there, but his record

1820
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 2: told you he needed to fight somebody legit, and he

1821
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 2: fought on beating Frank Sanchez, who has the Cuban school

1822
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 2: along with being a puncher, and you know he relied

1823
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: on that. Yeah, there was a sketchy maybe knockdown when

1824
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 2: a Jagua took a knee and Sanchez landed one more punch,

1825
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 2: but that was a strong performance. And as you mentioned,

1826
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 2: Helenius came back against Kovnotchki and beat the breaks off

1827
01:27:59,120 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 2: of him a second time.

1828
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: He fucked him up. Now, speaking of that fight, last

1829
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 1: question from Shark Attack three one six, Helenius defeated Kovnatchki

1830
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,600
Speaker 1: via DQ Saturday after Kovenatchki was warned once, actually he

1831
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 1: was worn a couple times with a referee to not

1832
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: hit below the belt immediately, then dq'ed after it happened

1833
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: a second time. No, he had a point taken at

1834
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 1: Memory Service, he was warned, then he had a point

1835
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: take in BC, and then he was dequed. But the

1836
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: question is still pretty relevant, which is why do we

1837
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 1: see officials make this decision swiftly and firmly? In boxing

1838
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,759
Speaker 1: get an MMA fighters seemingly can execute multiple groin shots

1839
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: in one fight without ever being disqualified or even docked

1840
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: a point by some of our best referees. What do

1841
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:38,879
Speaker 1: you say, BC, It's.

1842
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 2: Not always like that in boxing. Go watch Abner Marris

1843
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 2: versus Joseph Agbeko. The same Russell Mora that we praised

1844
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 2: for his work in Saturday night's main event allowed Abner

1845
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 2: Mars to land about seventy nine shots to the balls

1846
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 2: against Agbeco, and even Jim Gray in the showtime interview

1847
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 2: afterwards got on him, got up in that ass and

1848
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 2: more was like, no, they weren't low. Good God. I

1849
01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: even brought it up to Abner Mars the last time.

1850
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 2: I I'm Luke, and he was like, don't bring that

1851
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 2: fight up to me. Please, don't do it, Luke. It

1852
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 2: was a swift judgment, by the way, Just so people know,

1853
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 2: first of all, Kovnatski now is lost twice when he

1854
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 2: was unbeaten to the same guy in the same way. Luke,

1855
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,799
Speaker 2: that style is not sustainable, by the way, to uh

1856
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 2: to just walk into people and just throw punchers out

1857
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 2: any defense. You made a stiff puncher, you're gonna get

1858
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 2: out of there, he did. I thought that this DQ

1859
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 2: was the wrong call, and actually they changed it even

1860
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 2: though it was announced as a DQ. The referee afterwards

1861
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 2: told the commission that he he chose to make it

1862
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 2: a TKO because he felt the fight was ready to

1863
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 2: be stopped anyway, given the swell, the swell on uh

1864
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 2: Kovnatzki's eye. So a little bit of weirdness there, but

1865
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 2: the overall spirit of the question. Luke, he was swift.

1866
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 2: He went right after it. He didn't want that infraction.

1867
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 2: It happened again. He delivered the boom and gave a point,

1868
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 2: and then the second time ended the fight. I wish

1869
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 2: we could see more of that. I don't like, Luke,

1870
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 2: when uh, when we can see ipokes or groin shots

1871
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 2: that can really sway the momentum of a fight and

1872
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: not have any penalty behind it.

1873
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: Agreed, Agreed, These are good answers from you, UBC. I

1874
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Okay, well, sir, we go from the serious

1875
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 1: and the not so fun to the frivolous and fun idiotic.

1876
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: BC take it away yet, Luke.

1877
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 2: If this is your first time on this thing, we

1878
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 2: have a segment called have you Seen the Shit? And

1879
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 2: with your boy, BC scours the globe for the good,

1880
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 2: the bad, the ugly, the highest of the lows, the

1881
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 2: in between. In combat sports and beyond. Really have you

1882
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:36,839
Speaker 2: seen this shit? Oh God, let's go to Las Vegas.

1883
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 2: Luke Fury Wilder three. I want you to rate the Walkouts. First,

1884
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,919
Speaker 2: check out Wilder's mask, Luke.

1885
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: I liked Wilder's mask. I thought it was pretty cool.

1886
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: You know, we're relatively the last time understated. But I

1887
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: like the red. You know, I got that blood red

1888
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,679
Speaker 1: stood out, you know, I like it. It's good.

1889
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 2: He had the robe with the hair on it. It

1890
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 2: was pretty cool. You know, it didn't weigh forty pounds,

1891
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,799
Speaker 2: so that was the big win here exactly, Luke Tyson.

1892
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 2: Fury came out very spartan, like, I'll get to his

1893
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 2: cavalcade around him. But what did you think of the

1894
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 2: Gypsy king's almost Roman gladiator look here?

1895
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: Well, I liked his look, but the uh, you know,

1896
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: the Middle America yoga teacher who also is a vegan

1897
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 1: who lives in his van was a little bit not

1898
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: for me.

1899
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 2: Look, you're referencing the MVP on this weird night. This

1900
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 2: creeper left many wondering exactly who is he? He had

1901
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 2: long painted black pointy nails. He played a I don't know,

1902
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 2: what do you call that? A sharif or sharufa.

1903
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: Raheem. I don't know what it is.

1904
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 2: That's what he played. He played Sharif's pipe there. Luke uh.

1905
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 2: He was creepy. A lot of people wonder. I chose,

1906
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 2: by the way, not to play the video of him

1907
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 2: dancing because it was it creeped me out. We just

1908
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 2: went with a still picture. But looke, turns out we

1909
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 2: found out who it was. Let's go to UFC welterweight

1910
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 2: Michael Kiessa's tweet still buzzing about last night. But I

1911
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 2: had a blasting fury out to the ring.

1912
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 1: That's a good saying, that's a good bet. Well, that's

1913
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 1: a good I gotta say, dude, Like, here's the thing, man.

1914
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: You know everyone was like, oh, Brian or Tata came

1915
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: out with those purge masks. It wasn't for me, but

1916
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate the attempt. I like that fighters are attempting

1917
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,839
Speaker 1: to bring a little bit of dimension to their walkout.

1918
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 1: But dude, as long as they're under the thumb of

1919
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: no fun, Dana White, You're never gonna get shit like

1920
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 1: this unless you just watch boxing period. No one else

1921
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 1: is doing it like this. I'd rather have this than

1922
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 1: not have this. If that makes sense.

1923
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 2: We didn't have this a few years ago. Really, I

1924
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 2: mean you had the occasional there was that dude, was

1925
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 2: it Shreif Bogeri. He used to fight on short time

1926
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 2: a lot. He would come out in a cage dressed

1927
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 2: like a panther or something, Luke. But we don't see

1928
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,679
Speaker 2: this too often. Really. I think Anthony Joshua was ring

1929
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:49,560
Speaker 2: walks in those stadiums with the aj on fire that

1930
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 2: started to change the game a bit. I'm glad that

1931
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:53,879
Speaker 2: we have it now. I like this pro wrestling bullshit.

1932
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: You Yeah, you know what if the fights deliver like

1933
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: in the ways that these two have been delivering for

1934
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: us all three times, they can do whatever they want

1935
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 1: the beginning of it, as far as far as I'm concerrained.

1936
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 2: You referenced Tyson Fury after the win, Luke, his shirt

1937
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 2: was still out, but he went to wet Republic to

1938
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 2: join famous DJ Steve Auki a Joki for a nice

1939
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 2: shirtless COVID free hug, Luke, and then.

1940
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 1: Uh, Tyson Fury is amazing. He looks like a contestant

1941
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 1: who's six weeks into the biggest Loser, doesn't care. Just

1942
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 1: beat Deontay Wilder in a vicious boxing match where he

1943
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 1: was stopped, not stop, but put down twice. Here he

1944
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 1: is after getting I'm sure the least amount of medical

1945
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 1: care imaginable, showing up to a COVID party not caring.

1946
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Guy's had it twice. I'm sure he's fine and uh

1947
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 1: and just living life like he's Arnold Schwarzenegger after his

1948
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 1: seventh Olympia. It's unbelieved this guy's confidence his I wish

1949
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:50,600
Speaker 1: I had his confidence. I really do.

1950
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you wish you had his bde that's his wife

1951
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 2: Paris in front of him. And and also, Luke, people

1952
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:00,640
Speaker 2: look at his got a lot and think differently if

1953
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 2: you listen close to the interviews like the one he

1954
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,759
Speaker 2: did with Ariell talking about mental health. He was training

1955
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 2: twice a day even before, you know, even before the

1956
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 2: training camp for this fight, just to keep his mental

1957
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 2: health at in line. In The team feared that he

1958
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 2: was overtraining it might burn out. But dude, to keep

1959
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 2: that two hundred and seventy seven pound frame going for

1960
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 2: eleven and a half rounds at that pace, that's something, Luke.

1961
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 2: You don't see heavyweights with that type of stamina, man,

1962
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 2: you know, like really you don't.

1963
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: No, and There was a couple times where I thought

1964
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 1: he got a little bit tired, especially if Deontay maybe

1965
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 1: had a flurry of sorts. But you just can't ever

1966
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: say he had bad cardio. He didn't, He didn't. He

1967
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: really is sees something special.

1968
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 2: This guy damn near when tip to tip with that

1969
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 2: DJ all right, Luke, fight Knight in Vegas UFC style.

1970
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 2: I mentioned Maria Agatpova. Luke, she brought the swagger back

1971
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 2: after that KO loss. She still got it, Luke. Look

1972
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 2: at this.

1973
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a smart plug.

1974
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 2: And then this was the finish we talked about, just

1975
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 2: violent and efficient as shit.

1976
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 1: Look at this right hand boom. I mean that is

1977
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 1: that is just too good. That is just too I

1978
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 1: didn't even give her a chance once she planted her hands.

1979
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: Here here's a small little detail. Be see watch this

1980
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 1: she drops her watch the right foot, the right foot

1981
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 1: of a gappo of a come all the way through

1982
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 1: so she can body triangle. You see the body triangle.

1983
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: She immediately had a body triangle before the choke was

1984
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 1: even sunk.

1985
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 2: Amazing with that length, if she can become a submission,

1986
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 2: uh you know, prospect too as well. Along with the

1987
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 2: striking She's gonna be something, Luke. Oh, you mentioned Charles

1988
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 2: Rosa the Featherway had the war with Damon Jackson. Here's

1989
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 2: that sneaky yaar Rodriguez style elbow, Luke. You see this show?

1990
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was watching this live and he hits it

1991
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: with it clean bop, just like that, and watch the

1992
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 1: blood just seep. You can't see here once they change

1993
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 1: once they change angles here and you could see the

1994
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 1: referee to Oni was like what the fuck?

1995
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would go on to lose the decision Rosa,

1996
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 2: but he did land this ridiculous elbow.

1997
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:09,719
Speaker 1: Luke. I remember the first time I heard a fighter

1998
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: like brush off blood. It was Tim Kennedy and Strike

1999
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,719
Speaker 1: fours years ago and he was like, dude, guys, guys,

2000
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm fine, it's just blood. I'm like, oh, that thing

2001
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 1: that gives you life. Yeah, it's just leaking all over

2002
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:21,799
Speaker 1: the floor.

2003
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 2: Luke. Co made event. Randy Brown kicked Jared Gordon right

2004
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 2: in the damn mouth. You see this shit?

2005
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2006
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:31,639
Speaker 1: I did. And he had fucked up toes. Not by

2007
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 1: this point, or maybe this was the one that did it.

2008
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: His toes got dislocated and he had to fight through it.

2009
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 1: Pretty impressive performance. And Gordon miss wait, so he was

2010
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: pretty pissed or Brown was?

2011
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? Catchwait beout In the end. In the opening fight,

2012
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:48,719
Speaker 2: lightweight Charlie onto Veros wobbled Steve Garcia with this axe

2013
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 2: kick before going on to lose by stoppage himself. Luke,

2014
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 2: but this was a fun highlight.

2015
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really was. He gets rocked here, but DoD

2016
01:36:55,880 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 1: Garcia credit to him, good poise, good posture, stayed calm,

2017
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 1: got his wits about him and then put on a

2018
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 1: savage ground and pound finish. Good work by him.

2019
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,759
Speaker 2: Aunt Taveros goes to the same barber, apparently as Johnny Walker.

2020
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 2: Luke all right, dezone boxing from the UK? How about

2021
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 2: this dedication? On Saturday, former Cognello foe Liam Beefey Smith

2022
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 2: stops Anthony Fowler in the Battle of Liverpool. Good win

2023
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 2: there for the former junior middleweight world champion, brother of

2024
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 2: Calum Smith and the fighting for Smith brothers. The next

2025
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,799
Speaker 2: morning on Saturday Sunday, Luke shows up at his footy

2026
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 2: game and even scores a goal. How about that, Luke?

2027
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 2: Can we advance the slide? There you go?

2028
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,840
Speaker 1: Well, I gotta say they had interviewed on Dizonne DC

2029
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 1: United legend Wayne Rooney, and he was sized for it

2030
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 1: because it was an all Liverpool affair. But I did

2031
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 1: not see this part.

2032
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have a video of the goal, but

2033
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 2: that's him suiting up the next morning. I guess that's

2034
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 2: what happens when you win. Luke on the same de

2035
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 2: Zone card a Fight of the Year contend, they are

2036
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 2: at one, five to four as Troy Williamson rallies in

2037
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 2: round ten to stop Jeez the Big Cheese ted Cheeseman

2038
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 2: in brutal fashion.

2039
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 1: I did see this. This dude gets laid the fuck out.

2040
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 1: Boom boom.

2041
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:18,759
Speaker 2: It's a good fight, but oh what oh boy?

2042
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 1: Who? Yeah, he did the old when they go back

2043
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 1: with one leg to the side and one leg out

2044
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: in front, there's the towel too. Uh yeah, that's that's

2045
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 1: that's when the show is over.

2046
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:30,799
Speaker 2: The Big Cheese is flawed.

2047
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 3: Man.

2048
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 2: He's a fun fighter. He puts it out there, but

2049
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 2: he leaves his chin out to be had and now

2050
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 2: he's lost a few times. Luke. I don't know what's

2051
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 2: next for that fella, but uh, he got sliced up

2052
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 2: Swiss style. Luke the best knockout of the week, or

2053
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 2: maybe the saddest came BKFC in Oklahoma, Joe Riggs sending

2054
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,759
Speaker 2: Melvin Gallard through the ropes in just fifty nine seconds

2055
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 2: of round one.

2056
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 1: Dude, Melvin Gallard is not even recognizable at this point,

2057
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: and he had a broken orbital from this, So I

2058
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 1: don't mean to diminish that. Like, I'm sure he got

2059
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: hit very hard, but he like is out of shape.

2060
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 1: The guy's been, you know, in bar fights that were

2061
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 1: documented and got in legal trouble. I'm not even sure

2062
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 1: he's on like an epic losing streak. I'm not even

2063
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 1: sure how he's getting a license to compete bare knuckles.

2064
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: He's They need to clean up some stuff.

2065
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 2: I mean they they they come back from the unfortunate

2066
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:17,680
Speaker 2: death of a fighter by putting a thirty eight year

2067
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 2: old Gallard who's lost four straight bare knuckle fights and

2068
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 2: nine straight MMA bouts to close out his career.

2069
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Like, they're not they're not. They're

2070
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 1: not executing on best practices here.

2071
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 2: Luke a lowed to talk about the Reboc to Venom

2072
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 2: transition in Poland. Though they're not fooling around with fighter

2073
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 2: advertisements here.

2074
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 1: The fuck is that the tattoos so when you get

2075
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,600
Speaker 1: a tattoo, they put on a stencil first, is that

2076
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:47,839
Speaker 1: a tattoo stencil? What the fuck is that.

2077
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 2: They're They're like advertisement temporary patches. It's very similar to

2078
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 2: like Bernard Hopkins wearing Goldenpalace dot com on his back back.

2079
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 1: And see, people don't remember, people don't remember that. You

2080
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 1: and I lived through mm A two did this for

2081
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 1: a while until UFC basically banned it. But guys used

2082
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 1: to get their backs spray painted with ads on them

2083
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:10,879
Speaker 1: from like one of the famous places was Golden Palace,

2084
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 1: and they would just do that for money, and you'd

2085
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 1: be like, wow, man, that's a little it's genius, but

2086
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 1: it's a little sad, a little sad.

2087
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Rico Rodriguez told me that UFC never gives him

2088
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 2: any historical praise because they told him not to do

2089
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:28,080
Speaker 2: that for his title, his one and only title defense

2090
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 2: there when he lost the belt to Randy Well, no,

2091
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 2: he beat Randy.

2092
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 1: Tim Sa He lost to Tim Sylvia.

2093
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was at Mohegan and they said no

2094
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 2: other casino ads and he put Golden Palace on his

2095
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 2: back and Dana tried to kill him, and yeah, there

2096
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 2: you go. Or maybe because he just wasn't a great fighter, Luke.

2097
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 1: That's possible, right, Riga was good in his day.

2098
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:49,679
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, Luke, let's go over to a big week

2099
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 2: for Connor McGregor in South Florida. First, the notorious caught

2100
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 2: a shark from his back garden. I don't know much

2101
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 2: more details to this. Do you think it really happened?

2102
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: Looks like a to me?

2103
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 2: Okay, don't. I mean? Did he catch you with a

2104
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 2: fishing pole or was he hanging out with some deep

2105
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 2: sea divers? I don't know, Luke.

2106
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that part I'm not so sure about. But yeah,

2107
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 1: it's a big ass fucking shark.

2108
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:14,640
Speaker 2: McGregor. No stranger to fish scales, of course, Luke. But

2109
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 2: that wasn't the only thing that happened in the past week.

2110
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:19,639
Speaker 2: In Miami. He got a key to the city from

2111
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 2: Mayor Suarez, some nineteen months after he was arrested in

2112
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 2: that same city, Luke, for felony battery when he broke

2113
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:30,639
Speaker 2: that guy's cell phone. Can he zoom in here? Can

2114
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:31,959
Speaker 2: we see the family smiling?

2115
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:35,800
Speaker 1: B See, we should go to that club and get

2116
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 1: into a fistfight with one another. We can just pretend

2117
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:41,479
Speaker 1: get arrested and then go get the key to the

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01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 1: city there. You think that would work.

2119
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I'd like you to get the key to Old

2120
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:47,600
Speaker 2: Marietta and then like clean out your ear wax and

2121
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 2: just throw it at him, Luke and be like, I

2122
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 2: never knew you, I never needed you. Okay, I'm from Doha, bitch, Yes, Doha,

2123
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 2: all right, Luke, Luke. Some guys have all the luck,

2124
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 2: but guitar players still get all the poon tang. Watch

2125
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 2: this guy. Oh yeah, yeah. Look at the reaction too, Luke.

2126
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 2: I slash put that out there. Don't look at me, Okay.

2127
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 1: Okay, that's mildly disturbing.

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01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I kind of enjoyed it, Luke. And the reaction

2129
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 2: was huge too. Look at her, she loves it, Luke. Right,

2130
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 2: maybe we just I think we just got canceled, Luke.

2131
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:28,679
Speaker 2: Best fails of the week. Check out this chick trying

2132
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:30,679
Speaker 2: to navigate the staircase out of college party.

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01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, in fairness, it is hard to

2134
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 1: walk with Doc Martin's on when the beer is I

2135
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:40,680
Speaker 1: should say, when the floor is covered in natty light

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01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 1: and be slight.

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01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, you ever hook up after a chick threw

2138
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 2: up or caught a black eye?

2139
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 1: Or anything, no comment.

2140
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, hey Luke, that's not the worst fail.

2141
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,719
Speaker 2: Let's keep the fail countdown going. Here's winter gymnastics going wrong.

2142
01:42:56,400 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 2: Oh boy, but look, we know your favorite fails come

2143
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 2: in the gym. Watch this guy. This may be the

2144
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 2: all time worst.

2145
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: I love Jim phil Alright, he sitting up for the snatch.

2146
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 1: Let's see. Oh now I can't quite tell because the

2147
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 1: video is grainy, but it looks to me like he's

2148
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 1: got straps on, which is why his hands are tied

2149
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 1: to the bar. And that bitch just rolls his ass forward.

2150
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, look at that. That's how I mean. This

2151
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:25,760
Speaker 1: is how I feel every Monday morning when we don't

2152
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:29,760
Speaker 1: have one hundred k on there as in the air

2153
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put in the air.

2154
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 2: Oh that's bad. That's bad. ESPN's David Jacoby of Jalen

2155
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 2: and Jacoby Fame tried to join the Bill's mafia this weekend, Luke, I.

2156
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 1: Mean, is there is there a dumber fan base than

2157
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 1: this one?

2158
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 2: Jacoby? A grant Land veteran, shout out to him.

2159
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,519
Speaker 1: You know what's funny? As the Bills are a good team.

2160
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 1: Who they beat the Chiefs last night? Right like they're

2161
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 1: a team. Yes, And what is this? Will you stop?

2162
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:57,799
Speaker 1: You work in television? Get the fuck off the cooler?

2163
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you suck. Get the fuck off you get

2164
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 1: what you suck? Worship. If you're gonna do it, motherfucker,

2165
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: that table needs to be on fire and you need

2166
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 1: to disintegrate it with how hard you're coming down on

2167
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 1: that thing. What is the lamest shit ever?

2168
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Speaker 2: I can't argue against that, Luke. People think all we

2169
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 2: fit show are fails and questionable things like guys pulling

2170
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 2: a guitar out of their penis hole. Luke, but how

2171
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 2: about this wholesome video that's making the rounds After Robbie

2172
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 2: Lawler stopped Nick Diaz in their rematch, are you good?

2173
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 2: Are you good in life?

2174
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:33,559
Speaker 1: No?

2175
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 2: That's fucking different. You know what I'm saying? What can

2176
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 2: I do to help you? Look? He basically gave Nick

2177
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:43,639
Speaker 2: like a like a you know, put the arm around him,

2178
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 2: said what can I do in life to help you?

2179
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 2: I mean, Robbie Lawler is a He's a real one.

2180
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 1: Luke. I needed this from you after I had asked

2181
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 1: John Jones a question in twenty seventeen. I needed this

2182
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:55,479
Speaker 1: from you. Where were you nowhere? To be found.

2183
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 2: Let's fucking get there, you know what I'm saying, Luke.

2184
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 2: All right, all right, hey, left over from Fury Wilder week,

2185
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 2: do you check out?

2186
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 1: See? By the way, isn't this much better? I remember

2187
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 1: that when Connor was gonna fight Mayweather and then he

2188
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 1: painted that mural of Mayweather getting stole on and in

2189
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 1: the end he, you know, fet a lot of good

2190
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 1: it did him. This is to me a little bit

2191
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,760
Speaker 1: more modest and a little bit funnier anyway, big daucar.

2192
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 2: Yea, Luke. I told you last week that the Roly

2193
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:28,960
Speaker 2: Romero Jervonte Davis Showtime pay per view fight that Davis

2194
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,720
Speaker 2: announced could be a fun build. Let's let's zoom in

2195
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 2: on this and see this this troll job put out

2196
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 2: there by Roly testing out new sparring partners for the

2197
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 2: tank fight. Same height, same reached, south pawl and higher. Iq.

2198
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 2: I found the whole package right here, Luke. He's sparring

2199
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 2: a damn toddler, dude.

2200
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 1: He is uh, He's gonna get hurt. He's gonna get hurt.

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01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 1: I hate to say it. I know we have to

2202
01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 1: cover that fight. I'm happy to cover it. I'm excited

2203
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: about I'm excited about it, and rolling makes it interesting. Bro,

2204
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna get stretched. I mean, it's just the way he's.

2205
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 2: He's gonna try to do this stretching too. Okay, Okay,

2206
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fun to watch, luc all right, we'll see.

2207
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 1: Tank is gonna send him to the Land of wind

2208
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 1: and ghosts. But up until that moment, it's gonna be fun. Yeah.

2209
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh luke. Let's see the strip club sign of

2210
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:22,480
Speaker 2: the week Your thoughts.

2211
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 1: Show Girl three. The midget is dude. Nick DePaulo grew

2212
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:32,360
Speaker 1: When I grew up, Nicktopoulo was one of my favorite comedians.

2213
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 1: He's turned into something of a right wing reactionary and

2214
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 1: not that funny anymore. But he had a joke. He's like,

2215
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:43,120
Speaker 1: you've been driving down America's highways the advertisements for strip clubs,

2216
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:46,599
Speaker 1: it's no different than fishing stores. It's like live girls.

2217
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:48,640
Speaker 1: It's like, oh they're alive? What are these? What are

2218
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:50,320
Speaker 1: they fucking fishing bait? You know what I mean?

2219
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:55,679
Speaker 2: Like you just think you get no other details needed.

2220
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 2: They just put that in the sign. People know I

2221
01:46:57,439 --> 01:46:58,920
Speaker 2: got I gotta be I gotta get there, I gotta

2222
01:46:58,960 --> 01:46:59,360
Speaker 2: get back.

2223
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: There, you know, and they didn't say which midget, just

2224
01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 1: the midget Like okay, all right, sweet.

2225
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 2: The notorious one for sure. All right, Luke, rate my

2226
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 2: ash Cheeks edition. This is the Andy Ruiz one we've

2227
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:16,519
Speaker 2: been talking about. Yeah, tattoo on ass e, Luke. I

2228
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 2: don't like this trend at all.

2229
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 1: It's not really a trend. It's been going on for centuries.

2230
01:47:24,439 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 1: But it's a good tattoo. It's a very good tattoo.

2231
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:28,720
Speaker 1: I know, folks like.

2232
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 2: Each I mean, what is it? What is on his ass?

2233
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 4: Luke?

2234
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,600
Speaker 1: So well, you know what the face there is a

2235
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: little bit of an issue. But people might be asking

2236
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 1: why you get the whole ass tattooed instead of just

2237
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:42,800
Speaker 1: the lower back. The problem is, if you look at

2238
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 1: the human body, it's shaped like a rectangle. Obviously, you

2239
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 1: know there are differences here and there, but more or less,

2240
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 1: it's like a rectangle, and when you cut it off

2241
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 1: at just the waist, it creates actually a weird visual

2242
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:54,640
Speaker 1: on the back to back. It's not really designed for that.

2243
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 1: When you sweep across into like the lower thighs, like

2244
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 1: a some of the Japanese style, do you actually get

2245
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:04,719
Speaker 1: elongated picture to fit more more readily? On the back,

2246
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 1: and so that's why you would tattoo some of the

2247
01:48:06,439 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 1: acid in the back of the thighs. Whether what's like

2248
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:12,559
Speaker 1: a Japanese body soup. This is not Japanese. This is

2249
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 1: sort of like, I don't know, you see like sort

2250
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:21,360
Speaker 1: of American, uh, gangster a little bit.

2251
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 2: I know you're you're more into actually grading the technique

2252
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:27,720
Speaker 2: and the you know, I'm actually wondering how did he

2253
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:29,519
Speaker 2: do it? Does he lay on his stomach and they

2254
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 2: actually spread his ass because they're like real deep inside.

2255
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 1: In fact, if the factor's a science to how deep

2256
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 1: you get, the whole idea is to go into the

2257
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:40,200
Speaker 1: crack far enough where if they're standing normally, you can't

2258
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 1: see any untattooed skin. Yeah, it's a real thing.

2259
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,639
Speaker 2: You're supporting this, You're supporting a man like, hey, Andy,

2260
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:48,559
Speaker 2: why don't you just get all fours We'll just spread. Yeah,

2261
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:50,120
Speaker 2: we gotta get we gotta get as close as to

2262
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:52,280
Speaker 2: the we gotta get we gotta get the grundle track.

2263
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:55,000
Speaker 2: We gotta get it close to the anus as we can.

2264
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 2: What water to pro water?

2265
01:48:58,240 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 1: Please?

2266
01:48:58,600 --> 01:48:58,800
Speaker 3: You know?

2267
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,759
Speaker 1: Yes, that is uh. I would absolutely not I wouldn't

2268
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:05,679
Speaker 1: get this tattoo. But for the right back piece. Yeah,

2269
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 1: I would absolutely get that.

2270
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:12,679
Speaker 2: M hm, you would get an asstat, sure, Menique says,

2271
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,839
Speaker 2: spoken like a man who has an astat right now, Luke.

2272
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:19,040
Speaker 1: No, I don't I got I got ass pimples.

2273
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 2: If Luke, if you get it, I'm not a kidding

2274
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 2: plenty of blood if you get an asstat. Like, first

2275
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 2: of all, I don't need to see it. Just if

2276
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 2: you one day go hey, bro, I got that. I

2277
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 2: got the whole ass done. Like that's it. You're off

2278
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:35,320
Speaker 2: the show. Bro, We're done. We're done.

2279
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: Yright Well, what if I but what if I got

2280
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 1: one as part of a giant back piece that went

2281
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 1: also past my lower legs?

2282
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:44,840
Speaker 2: B So you're just gonna be like, you're just gonna like, yeah,

2283
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:45,960
Speaker 2: do you want me to lift my legs so I

2284
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 2: can spread the whole cheeks for you tattoo artist man? Like, No, Luke,

2285
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,680
Speaker 2: come on, this is all right, Luke. Not everybody loved it.

2286
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:58,800
Speaker 2: Here's boxer J Smith reacting to it. I don't disagree, Luke.

2287
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:00,839
Speaker 2: I missed my I miss his air, Okay.

2288
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:04,760
Speaker 1: I just think you're a little bit afraid of some

2289
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:07,800
Speaker 1: man ass. And if the man ass is tattooed, I'm

2290
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 1: okay with.

2291
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 2: It all right. This week in food management, Luke, lots

2292
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 2: of people writing in to say this is a BC move,

2293
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 2: or at least the old BC before we had the

2294
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 2: black liver. Can we zoom in on this? Look? This

2295
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:21,200
Speaker 2: got a lot of play. First of all, I don't

2296
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 2: dress like that, I bet you, Kevin. I only has

2297
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 2: that shirt though, Luke. But putting the what do you

2298
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 2: think about putting the hot dog with the ketchup right

2299
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:28,679
Speaker 2: on the damn counter?

2300
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:32,679
Speaker 1: I mean, is it actually getting more diseased this way?

2301
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:33,400
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

2302
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:38,920
Speaker 2: No, no top on the cup, no straw, no nothing.

2303
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 2: But yet playing with a credit card, that's fantastic.

2304
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 1: Look, I'd be more impressed if it was. Do you

2305
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 1: do you? Do you use your phone for Apple Pay? Yet?

2306
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:50,680
Speaker 2: I have before, but I don't regularly.

2307
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry to do that. Now I feel like

2308
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 1: a real asshole, But it's just this more convenient. I

2309
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:56,760
Speaker 1: also don't put my hot dogs right on a seven

2310
01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:58,799
Speaker 1: to eleven encounter where there is COVID in aids.

2311
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, you'll also put your buns on

2312
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:03,120
Speaker 2: a tattoo needle, So why not put your buns right

2313
01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 2: there and just eat? Them, Luke, all right, hey, that's

2314
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 2: not the grossest food management we've seen. Like, check out

2315
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:16,639
Speaker 2: this hockey fan. Can we zoom in all the way please, Luke?

2316
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 1: I got I got a Coke zero here, and I

2317
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 1: got three tacos with ground beef, shredded cheese and a

2318
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:26,760
Speaker 1: little bit of piss.

2319
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:30,679
Speaker 2: Number six in your score bug with the grossest piece

2320
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:34,599
Speaker 2: of shit of all time. Wow, yeah, you deserve whatever

2321
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:39,120
Speaker 2: you get on them fry. Okay, there's only one face

2322
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,439
Speaker 2: I could give to that, Luke. It's Belichick's kid. Can

2323
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Speaker 2: we show this? Yes, thank you.

2324
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:47,839
Speaker 1: I know this guy looks like Miss Belichick definitely smoked

2325
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:48,720
Speaker 1: in me.

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01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 2: All right, let's head out to the baseball diamond talk

2327
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:55,439
Speaker 2: about missing the cutoff man and cutting the umpire. Check

2328
01:51:55,520 --> 01:52:03,680
Speaker 2: this out, b yeah, take that for I. Well you

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01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:08,880
Speaker 2: oh damn yeah. Wow, that's that's rough.

2330
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 1: That's wrong, dude. Get Mark Breeland to throw the towel

2331
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:11,920
Speaker 1: in this poor fool.

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01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, Luke, I do have to give you credit

2333
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 2: though you've said it to me once, You've said it

2334
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:19,640
Speaker 2: to me a thousand times. Ain't no party like a

2335
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:24,200
Speaker 2: Doha party. Check out these guys, Luke.

2336
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not Doha. Just so that's clear. It's

2337
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:28,800
Speaker 1: a little racist of you to think that.

2338
01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:32,120
Speaker 2: But okay, no, Luke, that's where you lived, bro. This

2339
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 2: is this is.

2340
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 1: Dude, there's nothing about this that do you know anything?

2341
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:38,639
Speaker 1: Do you think Doha is a series of tents and sand,

2342
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 1: because if you do, you are deeply mistaken. I'm not

2343
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,760
Speaker 1: even sure if these people are Arabs for that matter. Uh,

2344
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 1: this might be the Taliban for all I can tell.

2345
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:51,759
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Luke, I you know I instant regret, instantly

2346
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:52,840
Speaker 2: regret putting it out there.

2347
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 1: This one should have made that, this one should have

2348
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:56,040
Speaker 1: made the cutting room floor. This one here.

2349
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 2: The only clip that ever did was that time they

2350
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:00,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't let me show that circus performer die on. Have

2351
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:02,400
Speaker 2: you seen the ship, Luke with the snake?

2352
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I tend to not show, uh, not to be

2353
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 1: in favor of showing animal and human murders. But yeah,

2354
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:10,800
Speaker 1: maybe I'm thinking out loud.

2355
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, all right, would you I'd consider attending

2356
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:15,840
Speaker 2: that Doughhap party though they had good food, Luke, I'll

2357
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:18,040
Speaker 2: tell you that. Hey, let's close on this, Luke. This

2358
01:53:18,160 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 2: is we can call this going on strike. I don't

2359
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:23,479
Speaker 2: know how this happened, but this is your your turkey

2360
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:23,680
Speaker 2: of the.

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01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:27,639
Speaker 1: Week here, Like, dude, how do you not get thrown

2362
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:34,360
Speaker 1: out of the bowling alley? Shot cutting it? You have

2363
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 1: you been thrown out of a bowling alley? I got closed.

2364
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 2: I have not been thrown out.

2365
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:41,599
Speaker 1: A buddy of mine did this, but in the reverse,

2366
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:43,880
Speaker 1: which was rather than just sort of overhanding it, he

2367
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 1: kept underhanding it. But he was underhanding it like literally

2368
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:49,680
Speaker 1: he was playing softball with the neighborhood kids. So the

2369
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 1: ball would the bowling ball would go way into the

2370
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 1: air and then come crashing down onto the boards there.

2371
01:53:57,439 --> 01:53:59,240
Speaker 1: It didn't break any of them, but they were like,

2372
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 1: if you do a one one more time, you're gonna

2373
01:54:01,479 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 1: have to get out until we stopped. But we were

2374
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 1: teenage kids, so what are you gonna.

2375
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 2: You just got athletes foot instead? Yeah, all right, Lou's

2376
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:12,639
Speaker 2: apologies to all members of Cutter Cutter.

2377
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:17,680
Speaker 1: That's right, don't be doing that. Yes, OKBC, Time for

2378
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 1: oh you know what we can do? Odds and ends?

2379
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 1: Time for odds and ends? What do you have for

2380
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 1: odds and or ends?

2381
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 2: Look? It was an all heavyweight pay per view card

2382
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 2: for Ruie Ruiz, good guy while they're Fury three, but

2383
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:32,840
Speaker 2: they had some featured players on the undercard. Unfortunately, our

2384
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 2: guy Jay Rock Julian Williams lost a split decision in

2385
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:40,000
Speaker 2: his comeback bout, but look Edgar Berlanga, the knockout artist

2386
01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:42,440
Speaker 2: who of course the top rank light heavyweight prospect we

2387
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:46,280
Speaker 2: lauded and remembered for going sixteen and oh was sixteen

2388
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:49,360
Speaker 2: first round KOs before going to the distance in a win.

2389
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 2: In his last bout. Luke, he had a featured fight here.

2390
01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 2: I forgot the fella's name. I'm showing no respect to

2391
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 2: his opponent.

2392
01:54:57,200 --> 01:54:59,760
Speaker 1: This Sarahs from Argentina, co Sarras.

2393
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:02,600
Speaker 2: That that's right. Casarras's eye got fed up, but he

2394
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 2: would not stop coming Luke with those right hands. Not

2395
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:08,879
Speaker 2: only did Berlenga go the distance in winning another decision,

2396
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 2: but Luke he got dropped. He got dropped pretty good

2397
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:15,720
Speaker 2: on a flush right hand. So this turned out to

2398
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 2: be a rough night at the office. Berlenga, you know,

2399
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 2: big time power from New York, Puerto Rican background, friends

2400
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 2: with celebrities. I love interviewing him. I love the swagger.

2401
01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 2: But this was two fights in a row, Luke where

2402
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:28,960
Speaker 2: he kind of took a step back. And I know

2403
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 2: in this one he also injured his left arm and

2404
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:32,640
Speaker 2: may have torn his biceps, but.

2405
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 1: No, he did it. He's affirmed he tore his he

2406
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:36,960
Speaker 1: in the third round. He tore his biceps. That's that's

2407
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 1: a pretty bad injury.

2408
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:40,320
Speaker 2: That is. That is, but you know he took some

2409
01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 2: shots late and uh, Luke, I gotta say it's what

2410
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:47,160
Speaker 2: he had going that marketable run of sixteen and oh

2411
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:49,160
Speaker 2: sixteen first round KOs. I mean it put him on

2412
01:55:49,160 --> 01:55:50,800
Speaker 2: the map in a lot of ways. But you do

2413
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 2: have to wonder, you know, how much you tend to

2414
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:57,560
Speaker 2: lose and not getting those rounds in the end once

2415
01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:59,360
Speaker 2: he got into a fight with somebody here who can

2416
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:02,400
Speaker 2: take his shot and could also land back. These are now,

2417
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 2: like I mentioned two fights in a row where he

2418
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 2: kind of took a step back, not enough to panic.

2419
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:10,400
Speaker 2: He didn't crumble, it didn't get knocked out. But uh,

2420
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:13,160
Speaker 2: this certainly wasn't the showcase about It could have been

2421
01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:15,560
Speaker 2: on regular TV ahead of this pay per view.

2422
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:15,760
Speaker 1: Luke.

2423
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:17,400
Speaker 2: Tough to see that. I hope he can bounce back.

2424
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got the wind. He obviously hits hard. You

2425
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:22,600
Speaker 1: could hear it when he was landing it. Sounded harder

2426
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 1: than what Caseras would offer, but Casaras do. There was

2427
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:29,480
Speaker 1: like several rounds he was stealing on Berlanga, like landing flush,

2428
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 1: and you could tell Berlanga was like, I don't know

2429
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 1: where these punches are coming from. It was one of

2430
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:36,240
Speaker 1: those moments we're like, we've got to tap the brakes

2431
01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 1: on this guy a little bit. So what are you

2432
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:40,240
Speaker 1: gonna do for my odds are ends? I don't want

2433
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:41,720
Speaker 1: people to lose sight of the fact that BC and

2434
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:43,920
Speaker 1: I in two days we're gonna be in studio together.

2435
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:45,800
Speaker 1: Why well, we have a lot of stuff we want

2436
01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 1: to do. In part we got belotoor two sixty eight

2437
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:51,680
Speaker 1: this coming weekend. Nimcov versus Angliscus. Now, this was not

2438
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 1: the fight fight we had hoped it would be. We

2439
01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:56,040
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be Nimkov taking on Rumbel Johnson.

2440
01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:57,680
Speaker 1: We know Rubl Johnson's gonna be out for a while.

2441
01:56:57,680 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 1: We wish him a speedy recovery whatever his issues may be.

2442
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:02,800
Speaker 1: And Gliscus is a guy who won on Contender series.

2443
01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:04,840
Speaker 1: He's a big, strong kid. I don't think he's gonna

2444
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 1: beat in them Koll, but who the hell knows more

2445
01:57:06,440 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 1: to that point. On the co made event, Ryan Batter

2446
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,280
Speaker 1: taking on Cory Anderson. The winner of these two go

2447
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:14,680
Speaker 1: to the finals of the light Heavyweight Grand Pele. By

2448
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:17,240
Speaker 1: the way, the card will also feature it'll be in Phoenix, Arizona.

2449
01:57:17,480 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 1: Benson Henderson taking on Brent Premis. Henry Corrals is on

2450
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:24,080
Speaker 1: this card as well. There's some decent names here along

2451
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:26,360
Speaker 1: the way and a very very importive rights.

2452
01:57:27,240 --> 01:57:28,720
Speaker 2: Dovlets On is back.

2453
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:33,680
Speaker 1: Dov LEDs Don Yashimuradov against Carl Albretxon Yes from Sweden.

2454
01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 1: So again there's a bunch of good fights on this card.

2455
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:40,240
Speaker 1: It will be on a Saturday at the let's see

2456
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:43,000
Speaker 1: the Footprint Center in Phoenix, Arizona, and we are gonna

2457
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:44,840
Speaker 1: have some great coverage for you for it this week,

2458
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:47,240
Speaker 1: and I just want to put that on everyone's radar.

2459
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:50,960
Speaker 1: Don't forget Bellator Com into showtime on Saturday BC.

2460
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:55,640
Speaker 2: We're also recording a resume review this week in Jersey.

2461
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:58,800
Speaker 2: We are also we are I won't tell the people

2462
01:57:58,800 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 2: who it is, but I'm.

2463
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 1: Saying we're doing it, and we are doing it.

2464
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:03,720
Speaker 2: We also may be doing some other side stuff that

2465
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:05,640
Speaker 2: people really like, so hopefully.

2466
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:07,960
Speaker 1: Louke hopefully hopefully see maybe you can set this up.

2467
01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:11,760
Speaker 1: I'll say this now, I haven't seen this video, neither

2468
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:13,880
Speaker 1: have you. We got sent a video that's sort of

2469
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:16,960
Speaker 1: an MK celebration, which I'm told even mentions the one

2470
01:58:17,000 --> 01:58:18,440
Speaker 1: hundred k subs right.

2471
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So once again, thank you to all our new

2472
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:22,840
Speaker 2: subscribers who got us over the top. Thank you all

2473
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:26,400
Speaker 2: those day one ish people who loved Luke, loved us

2474
01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:29,120
Speaker 2: on the MMAB back in the day, came along with us,

2475
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:32,400
Speaker 2: stayed the course. One hundred k. We made it baby.

2476
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:34,480
Speaker 2: Use our promo code. By the way, if you always

2477
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:37,240
Speaker 2: want to get some merch Morningcombat Dot Store, get your

2478
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:40,160
Speaker 2: twenty percent off for the next twenty four hours with

2479
01:58:40,280 --> 01:58:43,960
Speaker 2: of course, thank you one hundred k. But Luke a

2480
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:46,360
Speaker 2: dunk of sorts. Do we have the guy's name before

2481
01:58:46,360 --> 01:58:47,280
Speaker 2: we throw to this video?

2482
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:49,680
Speaker 1: I don't. Maybe they can, Maybe they can tell us

2483
01:58:49,680 --> 01:58:51,680
Speaker 1: here in the chat feed from the producers. We'll shout

2484
01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:53,080
Speaker 1: it out, but maybe you can just play the video

2485
01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:54,680
Speaker 1: and then we'll say it Gillis.

2486
01:58:54,760 --> 01:58:57,680
Speaker 2: The man's name is Gillis has Apparently I haven't seen

2487
01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:00,520
Speaker 2: this sent in a tribute video to celebrate, right us

2488
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:03,720
Speaker 2: getting to this milestone. You got here with us, folks.

2489
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:09,560
Speaker 2: Let's all enjoy this together for the first times.

2490
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:17,680
Speaker 3: It's the MK command. Man's what donks can't tell me

2491
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:21,240
Speaker 3: nothing about this show. Dons can't tell me nothing about

2492
01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:26,640
Speaker 3: Luke see my Chuckman, docks, dunks on the chatnet.

2493
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:28,560
Speaker 4: Get your donks a simple meme.

2494
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:36,360
Speaker 3: Docs, all right, been watching MK for years.

2495
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:38,400
Speaker 4: It made me an actual fight.

2496
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 3: Lunatic I wrote some semi factual tip to tip notes

2497
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:44,800
Speaker 3: for NEWT docs to get all the inside jokes like

2498
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:48,879
Speaker 3: the review cursed hopes, rnambre muno, don't use no es spano,

2499
01:59:49,120 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 3: let's lucas vetted every least one of them syllables. There's

2500
01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:56,120
Speaker 3: possibly Colombians like three watching, so shut up. If that

2501
01:59:56,240 --> 01:59:59,640
Speaker 3: accent sucks. Number two, never let them know what stressed

2502
01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:02,200
Speaker 3: you less it's gas station food, kids are crying, or

2503
02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:05,080
Speaker 3: your livers dying. Matter of fact, never mind, tell your

2504
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:07,840
Speaker 3: viewers every time just how shitty you're feeling and your

2505
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:11,480
Speaker 3: reasons why three. Never trust the UFC. They not gonna

2506
02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:13,960
Speaker 3: make facts up. Won't jump that acts tough, but the

2507
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:16,720
Speaker 3: rest of the scenes rough. See one FC sucks and

2508
02:00:16,760 --> 02:00:19,160
Speaker 3: Bellato's are right, but they mostly washed up.

2509
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:22,800
Speaker 4: Number four, Luke, we never heard this before. Tell us

2510
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:25,760
Speaker 4: all why you wanted Aerial to cry. Number five. They

2511
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:28,440
Speaker 4: wouldn't ship a hat, mug, vesta cap. They didn't care.

2512
02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:30,920
Speaker 3: If you're in their hometown. It wasn't going down. Six

2513
02:00:31,120 --> 02:00:34,200
Speaker 3: that bcbde We get it. Your art's coming out of

2514
02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:36,080
Speaker 3: faces regardless if we let it.

2515
02:00:36,200 --> 02:00:37,800
Speaker 4: Seven boxing was so.

2516
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:40,440
Speaker 3: Underrated and if m he never covered it, I would

2517
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:43,720
Speaker 3: be devastated. Knuckles and blood is can't miss, like throwing

2518
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:44,560
Speaker 3: stix in a pool.

2519
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:46,920
Speaker 4: Shit. I think that we'd be fools to exclude this.

2520
02:00:47,200 --> 02:00:50,040
Speaker 3: Eight BC, you'll have to wait on Luke, and after

2521
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:52,080
Speaker 3: you wait your turn, he'll still interrupt you.

2522
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:54,440
Speaker 4: Number nine. If you want some fun for.

2523
02:00:54,600 --> 02:00:58,880
Speaker 3: Free, watch Luke waxing poetic on Latina, booty and room service.

2524
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:02,040
Speaker 3: Diaries are with the and the boys, sitting and drinking,

2525
02:01:02,040 --> 02:01:05,080
Speaker 3: the baking and just riffing. Number ten a strong connection

2526
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:08,640
Speaker 3: to the audience as much now as then, despite the progression.

2527
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:11,400
Speaker 3: If they think I could slowing down, say hell no,

2528
02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:14,360
Speaker 3: because MKI is only doing one thing and that's grow.

2529
02:01:14,760 --> 02:01:17,480
Speaker 4: Follow these dudes and you'll witness some great stuff.

2530
02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:20,200
Speaker 3: If not count sand keep watching the same stuff, but

2531
02:01:20,280 --> 02:01:22,840
Speaker 3: them he's something special. This time you did a change up,

2532
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:25,680
Speaker 3: so stop watching all that lame stuff. When Lucas just

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Speaker 3: to make stuff, this is what I'm made up. When

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Speaker 3: BC said come on, this is what came up, I'm

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Speaker 3: a p one fan could have been more grateful. Gotta go,

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Speaker 3: gotta wait on your notifications and stay up.

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Speaker 1: Don king.

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Speaker 4: Heavy hitter as us. Congrats on one hundred k guys.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for everything, BC.

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Speaker 1: Ten crack commandments to the ten MK Commandments. I gotta

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Speaker 1: say that's pretty pretty good, pretty pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's some top shelf stuff. I think he

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Speaker 2: hit on a bunch of facts as well, Luke, and

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Speaker 2: that in breaking that down. Thank you Gillis, Jilly's helis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Gillis, I'm not sure either, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow. What a real man that guy.

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Speaker 4: Is, Luke.

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Speaker 1: That was amazing. That's the kind of thing we've been

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Speaker 1: trying to foster here as people who are pe ones

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Speaker 1: who know what's up, who have strange abilities. But that's

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Speaker 1: no different from me and Brian. We're the exact same way.

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Speaker 1: We just all love fights. One more time. Thank you

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Speaker 1: to everybody from Brian Daly at showtime all the way

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Speaker 1: down to the person who just clicked on sub there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to everyone who has helped get us to one

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Speaker 1: hundred k. We're not done. It's kind of an arbitrary number,

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Speaker 1: but it was the first one that we really wanted

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Speaker 1: to hit, and you guys helped us do it, and

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Speaker 1: we're just so grateful to see right.

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Speaker 2: We love you all. Thank you very much, Luca, I

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Speaker 2: would be remiss if I didn't shout out Matt Snyder

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Speaker 2: are great producers who him and I were not doing

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Speaker 2: well personally lately, but that's really just.

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Speaker 1: A matter of you being a dumbass.

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Speaker 2: But yes, I mean I did make a few distasteful

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Speaker 2: jokes about his family, but Luke, I really I regret

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Speaker 2: them in hindsight. Okay, but our great staff, Gaff Minich,

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Speaker 2: Sally Al Wendling, Mikey Moore, Mile, I mean we got

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Speaker 2: we got some peeps, Luke. I mean, how about our

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Speaker 2: guy with the flavor crystals, Nolan the sound guy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we got the best staff ever, Luke, the Power Crystals,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we really do, we really do. So I want

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Speaker 1: to thank everyone who helped us get here. Big Day,

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Speaker 1: don't forget the promo code to take advantage of it.

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Speaker 1: We're still giving back because you gave to us. Thank

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Speaker 1: you one hundred K, so thank you. Then the numbers

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Speaker 1: one zero zero than the letter K, thank you, one

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Speaker 1: under k. Good morning Combat dot Store twenty percent off

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Speaker 1: everything right now hit it. We're going to keep it

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Speaker 1: up there for twenty four hours to thank you for

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Speaker 1: helping us.

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Speaker 2: B see quick shout out, go ahead, less than Jake

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Speaker 2: and Tim on the cams for a lot of our stuff.

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Speaker 2: Also the documentaries. But Luke, we wouldn't be here today

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Speaker 2: either without Pennington, James Jason Aaron, who I believe is

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Speaker 2: playing a live show in New York City this week

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Speaker 2: his new original music.

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Speaker 1: So if you're no, I don't have the subway and

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Speaker 1: no one wants to hear it. Are you doing an

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Speaker 1: original show?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, but thank you to

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Speaker 2: everyone who's touched this thing and touched us in good, bad,

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02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:12,640
Speaker 2: or inappropriate ways. We appreciate that. And now also you

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Speaker 2: want to leave us an Apple review. Whoever can come

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Speaker 2: the best, we're asking you to come on, okay, So

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Speaker 2: if you can come and bring and make us laugh,

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Speaker 2: do what Giles Gillis just did, the best of the

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Speaker 2: Bunch gets a fifty dollars gift card. All right, hit

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Speaker 2: us up. We got some goals in that area. Go

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Speaker 2: to Apple Podcasts, leave us that rating and review. Thank you, folks.

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Speaker 2: Use your twenty percent off code. Get some merch. We

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02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:35,160
Speaker 2: love you. We love you so much.

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Speaker 1: If you want to watch. You were saying, do.

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Speaker 2: You want to do the Wheel of Death in person

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Speaker 2: this week?

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Speaker 1: Or no? We could do it if you want up

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Speaker 1: to you sure?

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Speaker 2: All right, TB all right.

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Speaker 1: Just let me remind folks if you don't have Showtime

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Speaker 1: and you want to get it, and now's a great

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02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:51,840
Speaker 1: time because the bill toor Light Heavyweight Grand Prix rolls on,

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02:04:52,120 --> 02:04:53,640
Speaker 1: which means you got to go to Showtime dot com

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02:04:53,720 --> 02:04:55,480
Speaker 1: get a thirty day free trial. If you like it,

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Speaker 1: keep it. If not, go about your marry day and

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Speaker 1: do something stupid with your life. You certainly can't email

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Speaker 1: us for fan subs on Wednesday for dead wrong on Friday.

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Speaker 1: That'd be excuse me Morning Combat at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Like and subscribe what you already have. We really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: For all the new viewers and listeners here, we thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for being a part of the ride. We

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Speaker 1: hope to continue to entertain you. We are back in

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Speaker 1: studio on Wednesday, so if you're new to MK, this

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Speaker 1: is not how we always do it. This is like

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Speaker 1: the pandemic kind of version of it. But here we are.

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Speaker 1: We will be back in studio on Wednesday. There's all

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Speaker 1: of our social there so for CBS Sports, for Malka,

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Speaker 1: for Showtime, for everyone who helped us achieve a day

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Speaker 1: that again, they don't come easy. It took us over

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Speaker 1: two years to do it, but here we are. We

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Speaker 1: finally made it. It's on to bigger and better things.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, miil gracias. We were

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Speaker 1: greatly appreciated for the key. Connecticut Brian Campbell, I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, may all of your gains be loyal