Speaker 1: Pushkin. Jesse Ware has always moved between worlds. She's a
Speaker 1: British soul singer who spent the early part of her
Speaker 1: career making intimate, understated records. Then in twenty twenty, she
Speaker 1: released What's Your Pleasure and morphed into a full blown
Speaker 1: disco goddess. The record received widespread critical acclaim, earned Jesse
Speaker 1: her first top three album on the UK charts, and
Speaker 1: was nominated for British Album of the Year at the Brits. Today,
Speaker 1: Jesse traces that sonic evolution back to an especially ripe
Speaker 1: creative period in her life, when she launched Table Manners,
Speaker 1: the podcast she hosts with her mom, Lenny. Table Manners
Speaker 1: has become one of the UK's most beloved shows, racking
Speaker 1: up over sixty million listens and in turn gave Jesse
Speaker 1: a new kind of confidence. This month, Jesse is releasing
Speaker 1: super Bloom, her sixth album. As she has since What's
Speaker 1: Your Pleasure, Jesse A and R is the record herself,
Speaker 1: staying carefully in control of every creative decision. Her production
Speaker 1: team included core collaborator James Ford, the producer behind Landmark Records,
Speaker 1: with Arctic Monkeys, Depeche Mode, Florence and the Machine and Blur,
Speaker 1: as well as three time Grammy winner Stuart Price, best
Speaker 1: known for producing Madonna's Confessions on a Dance Floor and
Speaker 1: The Killers Day and Age. On today's episode, Lea Rose
Speaker 1: talks with Jesse Ware about how super Bloom was born
Speaker 1: after a particularly difficult year filled with illness and loss,
Speaker 1: and how that led to an album that sounds like
Speaker 1: pure joy. Jesse also talks about channeling Grace Jones to
Speaker 1: slip into a sexy persona to record sultry new songs
Speaker 1: like Ride and SNA, and she explains how Many Ripperton
Speaker 1: and Stevie Wonder inspired her to make her private life
Speaker 1: public like never before. This is Broken Record, real musicians,
Speaker 1: real conversations. Here's Lea Rose with Jesse Ware. Head over
Speaker 1: to YouTube dot com slash Broken Record podcast to see
Speaker 1: the video.
Speaker 2: With the new album super Bloom. I think it is
Speaker 2: so brilliant how you are approaching life as a woman,
Speaker 2: you know, women in our forties. It's like you're so
Speaker 2: often getting struck with these messages about sort of like
Speaker 2: withering and drying out, and here you are, you know,
Speaker 2: in this super Bloom, and you're creating this world that's
Speaker 2: relishing in pleasure and sensuality. Were you conscious when you
Speaker 2: were making the album that you were sort of flipping
Speaker 2: those tropes on their head?
Speaker 3: No, I don't think I was.
Speaker 4: Actually I think I I was just writing and writing
Speaker 4: and writing, and then the songs that made the my
Speaker 4: sense together and that I feel like, then then the
Speaker 4: theme becomes apparent, you know what I mean, it's kind
Speaker 4: of you're writing, you're you know, And I think that
Speaker 4: the story you tell with how you sequence the record
Speaker 4: or how you know, how you position these songs, like
Speaker 4: what journey do you want to take them on? Like
Speaker 4: how do you want to tell this story? I definitely
Speaker 4: feel like out of conversations and understanding of this record
Speaker 4: being the record and seeing the themes that were coming
Speaker 4: back at me, I now understand that I wasn't trying
Speaker 4: to be provocative or I wasn't trying, but I think
Speaker 4: I'm always trying to Whilst before there was like a
Speaker 4: fear of this idea that you have a shelf life
Speaker 4: in music, particularly as a woman in music, right, particularly
Speaker 4: as a woman in pop music.
Speaker 3: I was thought of as a pop star.
Speaker 4: But I don't feel like I am necessarily the most
Speaker 4: kind of obvious pop star, So then that was a
Speaker 4: kind of confusion. I didn't want to make a big statement,
Speaker 4: but I just wanted to feel confident enough to do this.
Speaker 4: And I think the reaction to these songs and the
Speaker 4: kind of confidence has been like amazing, and the reaction
Speaker 4: to the music video for Ride has been kind of resoundingly.
Speaker 4: Whereas before I would have been like, oh god, how
Speaker 4: am I going to go to the school gates, like
Speaker 4: people have been like yeah, thanks, like yes, You're allowed
Speaker 4: to be a sexy woman and want to feel sexy
Speaker 4: and show that at forty and I think the other
Speaker 4: artists have done this forever, you know, but also been
Speaker 4: slated for it too, which is not fair.
Speaker 3: And I think, wow, I'm in that.
Speaker 4: I'm in that age where we're not allowed to We're
Speaker 4: apparently not allowed to do things.
Speaker 3: But I do think things are changing.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, I just feel inundeated, like you know, even
Speaker 2: on social media, like the algorithm is pushing like weighted
Speaker 2: vers glt ones, yes, like all this stuff, and I
Speaker 2: love that You're just kind of like, you know, fuck
Speaker 2: are that. I'm in this world where I just feel
Speaker 2: good and I'm I.
Speaker 4: Do feel good. I feel really good, and I don't.
Speaker 4: I feel fulfilled, I feel confident, I feel good. I
Speaker 4: feel lucky to do a job that I am excited
Speaker 4: by the change every day. I feel a bit tired,
Speaker 4: but like that's okay. Yeah, I feel excited. I feel inspired.
Speaker 4: I feel lucky to have a family. I feel lucky
Speaker 4: that I can walk down the street and not get papped, Like,
Speaker 4: I feel lucky that I then get to go and
Speaker 4: wear mad costumes and sing my heart out on stage
Speaker 4: like I don't hate any of that for granted. And
Speaker 4: I think but probably because for a moment I thought
Speaker 4: potentially it was going to end.
Speaker 2: Yes, I really do get your death experience, and.
Speaker 4: You saw the yeah, I yeah, I just I And
Speaker 4: I don't want it to be like happy clappy, like oh,
Speaker 4: like it's hard, but it's also a gift that I
Speaker 4: get to do this job that so many people would
Speaker 4: want to do, and I get to create these worlds,
Speaker 4: and I get to invite people in, and I get
Speaker 4: to have a conversation with an audience, you know, and
Speaker 4: I get to like be artistic.
Speaker 3: It's like the greatest feeling in the world, you know.
Speaker 4: My daughter, I've got like a couple of vinyls and
Speaker 4: my daughter's there looking at it and she's like, this
Speaker 4: is cool, and I.
Speaker 3: Was like, first, it is cool.
Speaker 2: I've got to get your kid to think you're cool.
Speaker 4: I know she definitely doesn't think I'm cool, but she
Speaker 4: looked at it and she was like studying it and
Speaker 4: I looking at the pictures and she knows the songs,
Speaker 4: but she was like, this is really cool.
Speaker 3: And I was like, you're right, it is cool.
Speaker 4: And it's been hard work and I love it, and
Speaker 4: I love that my family like acknowledge that, Wow, we
Speaker 4: have a good time and we can have a good
Speaker 4: time working.
Speaker 2: Yes, So when you were recording a song like Ride
Speaker 2: and you're in the studio, is it hard to get
Speaker 2: into like a sexy place when it's just you and no?
Speaker 2: Tell me, like what's the dynamic with who's in the room,
Speaker 2: Like how's it working?
Speaker 4: I find it really easy, and I don't think. Firstly,
Speaker 4: I'm usually I'm pretending to be somebody else. So if
Speaker 4: it was me, oh my god, I vomit.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: So in songs like Ride or Sauna or even don't
Speaker 4: you know who I am? Or mister Valentine, I'm not Jesse,
Speaker 4: mum of three doing the school drop off, you know,
Speaker 4: making a sour dough. No, I'm a fucking bad bitch,
Speaker 4: and I am not me, and I have a nay,
Speaker 4: a different name, and I have a different posture and stance,
Speaker 4: And in my head, I'm like Grace Jones, Madonna, Lady Garga,
Speaker 4: Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 3: I'm all of those women. Shaka, I'm those people.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if that makes me authentic or not.
Speaker 4: But I remember doing a piece on Donna Summer, who
Speaker 4: I think was amazing.
Speaker 3: I was doing a piece on Radio four for.
Speaker 4: Her, and I read her memoir and I read about
Speaker 4: how she pretended to be a character.
Speaker 3: For I Love to Love You.
Speaker 4: So she's like, then, apparently she was trying to be
Speaker 4: somewhere between Marilyn and Mickey Minnie Mouse. Oh yes, so
Speaker 4: there was this character that she was trying to be.
Speaker 4: And so I'm sure when Donna was in the room,
Speaker 4: who was like a lovely church girl, and she's saying, oh,
Speaker 4: it's like she's not she's not been Donna, do you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? She's being another person and that's
Speaker 4: I guess acting. I don't know it's just fun.
Speaker 2: Whatever works. I feel like, looking at your career and
Speaker 2: sort of reading the story that's been written about you
Speaker 2: in the press, it seems like something happened, some sort
Speaker 2: of change happened after your third album, Glasshouse, came out.
Speaker 2: Between Glasshouse and What's Your Pleasure Tablemanners started, but there
Speaker 2: was some it seems like there was some sort of
Speaker 2: change in that period. Does that seem accurate?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean I had a one year
Speaker 4: old when Glasshouse came out. I finished touring it quite
Speaker 4: quickly that kind of summer, so then I had a
Speaker 4: kind of nearly two year old, and I had had
Speaker 4: the idea to start a podcast from when I was
Speaker 4: pregnant with my kid. So that was like I remember
Speaker 4: we had this conversation with my best mate on Year's
Speaker 4: Eve of two thousand and six, fifteen. He was like,
Speaker 4: you should do a podcast, and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: But I think I started the podcast as I was
Speaker 4: so kind of disillusioned by the music industry. I think
Speaker 4: I was tired. I was a new mum. I was
Speaker 4: trying to do it all. I was trying to prove
Speaker 4: that I could do it all, and I just was struggling,
Speaker 4: and I was on the verge of burnout and the
Speaker 4: podcast was just it provided this outlet that was escape,
Speaker 4: but also was distraction from my music career that didn't
Speaker 4: feel like it was flourishing. And I think I was
Speaker 4: in kind of not survival mode because I never thought
Speaker 4: that the podcast was going to be this hit, you know.
Speaker 4: I just it was just another avenue of just distraction.
Speaker 4: But it then became this big success, and I think
Speaker 4: with the success of it, it gave me confidence and
Speaker 4: belief in myself that actually it was my idea and
Speaker 4: we'd managed to make it happen. And I had enough
Speaker 4: love from people that were willing to come on and
Speaker 4: have some turkey meat balls with my mom or you know,
Speaker 4: they were willing to take a punt on me and
Speaker 4: support me. And I felt that love, and you know,
Speaker 4: and then with that, I was definitely always going to
Speaker 4: make another record.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I was going to ask you, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I already knew at the end of touring in the States.
Speaker 4: I knew who was going to produce it, I knew
Speaker 4: it was I knew exactly what I wanted to make.
Speaker 4: I wanted to make this kind of dance disco record.
Speaker 4: I wanted to work with very few people. I wanted
Speaker 4: to A and R. I wanted to do all of that,
Speaker 4: and so that was always going to happen. But I
Speaker 4: think with the success of the podcast, it just made
Speaker 4: me slightly more confident totally.
Speaker 2: I just love the fact that you had this time
Speaker 2: where you found yourself. And I'm sure it didn't happen overnight,
Speaker 2: but the podcast started, the podcast took off. Then you
Speaker 2: A and R. What's your pleasure, which is you sort
Speaker 2: of like setting the entire scene and designing the whole thing, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you finding the sound and making it happen.
Speaker 4: Listen, like James Ford cannot be ignored in that process,
Speaker 4: and Shin Goodzo and Danny Parker. We were the core
Speaker 4: group and it was the most magical time I think
Speaker 4: I've ever had in the studio where I felt so free.
Speaker 4: I felt the opportunities and like the possibilities of creation
Speaker 4: felt endless, and so there was no having to hang
Speaker 4: on to something just in case. It was like, it
Speaker 4: was just this beautiful creative space and I think we
Speaker 4: all adored it, and we still check in with each
Speaker 4: other and remember that time, and it was up in
Speaker 4: James's attic, and I think the balance of life felt
Speaker 4: really beautiful too. I walked to work, I walked over
Speaker 4: like a park. I said goodbye to my daughter. I
Speaker 4: you know, I was at home. I was able to
Speaker 4: be a parent. I went to work. I had very
Speaker 4: strict times, which really worked for James too, because he
Speaker 4: was a parent of a kid the same age as
Speaker 4: my kid.
Speaker 3: And we would work.
Speaker 4: We would work, but we would have fun and we
Speaker 4: would escape, but we would also talk about real life
Speaker 4: and engage in family. And I think I felt not bruised, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think, But I think I felt like I had
Speaker 4: to do it.
Speaker 3: On my own terms.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because if this was the final time, then I
Speaker 4: had to really really believe in every single beat and
Speaker 4: melody and word on that record, and that like worked
Speaker 4: out for me, and then you know, and then you
Speaker 4: just carry on doing that, and then like your confidence grows,
Speaker 4: and then I'm always aware that I never want it
Speaker 4: to be arrogant, and I also really want people's opinions still.
Speaker 4: I just know whose opinion I need, Yes, somebody with
Speaker 4: no agender.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like there could possibly be another sort
Speaker 2: of like sound or theme shift at this point in
Speaker 2: your career, like could you possibly go into like after
Speaker 2: it seems like what's your pleasure that feels good? And
Speaker 2: even the new album super Bloom could sort of be
Speaker 2: thought of as a trilogy maybe part of the same world.
Speaker 2: Do you ever could you ever go into an entirely
Speaker 2: new world?
Speaker 4: I mean an entirely new world would be me like
Speaker 4: doing a folk album, I think yes, or like a
Speaker 4: rock album and never say never, but I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't think I'm doing any of them anytime soon. I
Speaker 4: may pull in moments of that, but I think I
Speaker 4: found I found, I found my genre, and I found
Speaker 4: my place in music, and I've found my sound. And
Speaker 4: whilst I want to evolve that always and I don't
Speaker 4: ever want to feel like I'm totally repeating myself, I
Speaker 4: do think that there is strength in an artist understanding themselves.
Speaker 4: You know, you look at somebody like and this is
Speaker 4: not me comparing myself to Tracy Emen, but Tracy Emen
Speaker 4: the most incredible artist she has.
Speaker 3: I went to her. She doesn't like to call it
Speaker 3: a retrospective, but she's.
Speaker 4: Got an exhibition on at the Tate Modern and you
Speaker 4: see her work from the nineties and she has remained
Speaker 4: true to her art and her openness and her form,
Speaker 4: and that's really I love that because I love everything
Speaker 4: about what she does. But I don't need Tracy Emmen
Speaker 4: to go and I want her to feel fulfilled and
Speaker 4: inspired and push things. But also there's something really beautiful
Speaker 4: about how she has this strength and autonomy and identity.
Speaker 4: And I feel like the artists that I look to
Speaker 4: have that similar strength and they have a sound and
Speaker 4: that can change. I mean, it can move around, but
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm never going to go and do
Speaker 4: something particularly drastically different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read that before you started working in music,
Speaker 2: so I guess before you were a backup singer, before
Speaker 2: that all started, you worked in journalism. You're a reporter.
Speaker 2: You worked at the Jewish Chronicle and did some sports journalism.
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 3: Barely?
Speaker 4: But like sure, yeah, yeah, what was the sports journalism?
Speaker 4: I mean, I wanted to be a football journalist. I
Speaker 4: was football mad and it's so funny, like I was
Speaker 4: obsessed with Manchester United and you know football, And so
Speaker 4: when I was sixteen, I got work experience on the
Speaker 4: Daily Mirror and I went and followed with this great
Speaker 4: journalist called Darren Williams and he just really let me
Speaker 4: get involved and we had a really great time, and
Speaker 4: I was like, this is the best job ever.
Speaker 3: You get to go to.
Speaker 4: Football matches and like just write about football and talk
Speaker 4: about football all the time. And it's so strange because
Speaker 4: like my love for football is just like really weirdly
Speaker 4: gone away. And I was obsessed with it from like
Speaker 4: nine to about my thirties, and then I don't know
Speaker 4: whether it's like I don't have enough capacity to be
Speaker 4: able to have it, but it's like I know it
Speaker 4: could be a great form of escapism, and I just
Speaker 4: I want to fall back in love with it. I
Speaker 4: think I resent it now because my husband watches so
Speaker 4: much of it.
Speaker 2: But is it something where like the game has changed,
Speaker 2: has the role because I know in basketball may wait.
Speaker 4: And like my husband would say, it's because I'm a
Speaker 4: glory hunter, and it's not that because United are doing
Speaker 4: so crap, but I mean they're not doing.
Speaker 3: As badly as Spurs.
Speaker 4: But I just think I also we were in this
Speaker 4: like beautiful time of Manchester United and it was a
Speaker 4: class of ninety two and it was like, you know,
Speaker 4: Ryan Giggs, Nicky Bart, David Beckham, Paul Skulls, it was
Speaker 4: like these amazing player. Gary Neville was like this amazing
Speaker 4: time for the youth team, and so I kind of
Speaker 4: was young and they'd were young and I watched them
Speaker 4: grow up and was obsessed with them. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: kind of want to fall back in love with it.
Speaker 4: But it feels like so much like effort. That's the thing.
Speaker 4: Like it's such a scheduled so and I don't know
Speaker 4: if I've got.
Speaker 3: The time for at the moment.
Speaker 2: Did you play?
Speaker 3: No? I was crap. I wasn't very sporty. No, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: How did it switch? So if you were working, it
Speaker 2: sounds so like at age sixteen working with the Daily Mirror, like.
Speaker 4: That's all my work experience is like for two weeks
Speaker 4: in the summer. Two weeks okay, Yeah, it wasn't even
Speaker 4: a job like I went and did My dad was
Speaker 4: a journalist, and then I went and did like a
Speaker 4: diploma in journalism where you have to kind of get
Speaker 4: this diploma, and then I kind of, you know, it
Speaker 4: was very short lived.
Speaker 3: I really kind of.
Speaker 4: I worked in a television company and I wanted to
Speaker 4: kind of make documentaries and stuff like that, and it's
Speaker 4: just kind of, yeah, people work very very hard in
Speaker 4: those industries and there's like not as many jobs anymore.
Speaker 3: You can say it's hard.
Speaker 2: So how did the how did music start to come
Speaker 2: into it? Was it just like messing around with friends
Speaker 2: or how did you make the jump.
Speaker 4: So I'd like sung at school, and I'd always kind
Speaker 4: of been in the musicals and i'd sung in like
Speaker 4: a funk band at university, like as a backing singer,
Speaker 4: like and you got paid fifty.
Speaker 3: Quid per like Friday night.
Speaker 4: And my friends were always come down and it was
Speaker 4: very much like I wasn't really doing anything with my voice.
Speaker 4: But my best friend Sarah was just like, you're really silly.
Speaker 3: What are you doing. You've got this really good voice.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I don't.
Speaker 4: I haven't written a song and I can't play, and
Speaker 4: I think I was just kind of too scared to
Speaker 4: give it a go. And it was my friend Jack Pinnarte,
Speaker 4: who you know, quit UNI and was just gigging and
Speaker 4: got signed by XL and I was so like, wow,
Speaker 4: this is amazing, Like he's just really worked hard and
Speaker 4: like he's such a star on stage. And then you
Speaker 4: know our friends who my childhood friends, a band called
Speaker 4: the Maccabees. They got signed too, So I was like
Speaker 4: surrounded by these friends that you know, hadn't been in
Speaker 4: the school musicals. Well Jack had a bit, but like
Speaker 4: they were just doing it and they were part of
Speaker 4: like an indie scene in London and they were absolutely
Speaker 4: killing it and I was just there to like support
Speaker 4: and I was so proud. And Jack yeah, asked me
Speaker 4: to do some backing vocals for him for a Zane
Speaker 4: Lowe radio one Made of l session. So I took
Speaker 4: a day off work and I sung. And I was
Speaker 4: not a backing singer. I was I could sing and
Speaker 4: he needed someone. It was very sweet of him and
Speaker 4: he kind of really and through that. I then was
Speaker 4: supposed to go and do a law like law conversion degree,
Speaker 4: and Jack said, oh, do you want to come on
Speaker 4: tour with me in the States for six weeks with
Speaker 4: Mike Snow We're doing a tour together.
Speaker 3: I was like that sounds really fun.
Speaker 4: And I was single, and my mum was like, oh
Speaker 4: the Lord that we can just wait, like just go
Speaker 4: and do it, like defer go and be a backing
Speaker 4: singer for a year.
Speaker 2: How cool is that she said that to you?
Speaker 3: I mean, it was like the best advice she could. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah she was.
Speaker 4: I think she knew that I was quite sensible, so
Speaker 4: I would have always just got a job.
Speaker 3: I would have found a way to get a job.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't have been like you know, but I really
Speaker 4: appreciate that because I think that, you know, if she'd
Speaker 4: been like, I think you should this sliding doors. So
Speaker 4: then from that, I did a session with an amazing
Speaker 4: artist called Subtract. But that was because my friend, who
Speaker 4: was playing bass and guitar in Jack's band, was like,
Speaker 4: you should go and do it. So like Tick, he's
Speaker 4: an incredible a and R and he was just a friend,
Speaker 4: but he kind of a and rmed me, you know,
Speaker 4: he put me in the right rooms because he believed
Speaker 4: in me. So it was very much other people belief
Speaker 4: in me that like led me to this job.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more from Jesse Ware after the break.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you too about the evolution of
Speaker 2: your voice. How you see it because on the new album,
Speaker 2: after the you know, the intro, the little prelude, the
Speaker 2: song I could get used to this, your voice is
Speaker 2: now like completely pushed to the front of the mix
Speaker 2: and it's it's big and it's it's confident and you
Speaker 2: sound incredible.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: So tell me tell me about the journey of your
Speaker 2: voice and how it evolved, and again, like how that
Speaker 2: confidence came and the work that you've done, because I'm
Speaker 2: sure it takes a lot of work.
Speaker 4: I really wanted people to hear me on this record.
Speaker 4: I wanted them to hear every kind of aspect of
Speaker 4: my voice. I wanted to hear them up close and personal,
Speaker 4: like you hear at the beginning of I could get
Speaker 4: used to this, and that's kind of why I thought
Speaker 4: it was a great scene setter. And I'm inviting people
Speaker 4: to step into my secret garden and so it's like
Speaker 4: come along for the ride, and yeah, ushering them in,
Speaker 4: seducing them.
Speaker 3: But I you know, there's a.
Speaker 4: Key change in that, and I feel like that's the
Speaker 4: kind of thing that Shaka would have done. And so
Speaker 4: I was like, well, let's try a key change on
Speaker 4: this because I think I wanted to take some liberties,
Speaker 4: like musically, because I felt like I'd kind of earned
Speaker 4: my right to do that and have a bit more
Speaker 4: fun with it. I worked with a singing coach who's
Speaker 4: my singing coach who's been working on my voice for
Speaker 4: a couple of years because I was really struggling with
Speaker 4: my tools because in these big, big songs on What's
Speaker 4: Your Pleasure and that Feels Good, and my voice wasn't
Speaker 4: strong enough to kind of handle that night after night
Speaker 4: and with the traveling, so I kind of was humbled
Speaker 4: and had to relearn how to really sing. So I, yeah,
Speaker 4: relearned technique really, and then I wanted to apply that
Speaker 4: to like how I approached the vocals in this on
Speaker 4: this record, So yeah, I like worked really, I mean
Speaker 4: I wrote the songs and you do them, and then
Speaker 4: I was like, how do I improve these I'm going
Speaker 4: to work like every day on how to nail them,
Speaker 4: and like no doubt, after a year of touring, I'll
Speaker 4: be able to sing these songs better than I did
Speaker 4: on you Know This in the studio. But I wanted
Speaker 4: to give the best possible vocal performance because that's the
Speaker 4: thing with you know, writing a record, like you write
Speaker 4: a demo and something clicks and then you go and vocalist.
Speaker 4: I really like the muscle memory, you know when I
Speaker 4: sing something like say you Love Me, which I've had
Speaker 4: in my catalog for since album two. So what was
Speaker 4: that in twenty fourteen to like twelve years. I don't
Speaker 4: even have to think about how to sing that song.
Speaker 4: I can just do it, Whereas you have these new
Speaker 4: ones then and you have to you have to work
Speaker 4: out how you're going to present it. So I wanted
Speaker 4: to give my voice the best possible chance. But yeah,
Speaker 4: so I did loads of training and I wanted to
Speaker 4: show more of myself. I was ready to show more
Speaker 4: of myself and to be confident and kind of be
Speaker 4: the star that my fans make me feel I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sound so good?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Do you have a performance that you think like you
Speaker 2: just nailed it, Like it's what you were you set
Speaker 2: out to do on this new album.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so I kind of
Speaker 4: feel like I definitely would still want to change a
Speaker 4: line how I've vocaled it. I think, don't you know
Speaker 4: who I Am has this kind of like madness with
Speaker 4: it that I wanted to across and like drama, and
Speaker 4: I really enjoy that one. I think that one's going
Speaker 4: to be really fun to perform and something I even write,
Speaker 4: you know, like having the confidence to make a synth
Speaker 4: melody that's any Marconi to be the hook I wanted
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be.
Speaker 4: Like, hang on, I don't need to Yeah, I'm going
Speaker 4: to join in and I'll do some big vocals. But
Speaker 4: like I wanted to have that confidence to be able
Speaker 4: to play with the music and the experience of listening
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 2: What do you think you are best at as an artist?
Speaker 2: Like do you think it's the writing bit? Do you
Speaker 2: think it's the A and R ing production, thinking about tracks,
Speaker 2: thinking about sequencing? What do you excel at? Like where
Speaker 2: is your gift in the mix? The performance?
Speaker 4: Of course, I think I've got better at songwriting. I
Speaker 4: don't think I'm the best in the room usually, but
Speaker 4: I have got so much better. But I think I
Speaker 4: can steer the ship really well. And I think I
Speaker 4: can that's A and R it. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 4: I have really improved as a songwriter because I've allowed
Speaker 4: myself to be more open and take more risks and
Speaker 4: listen to my gart and my taste and not apologize
Speaker 4: for that, do you know what I mean? But I
Speaker 4: do think my performance has come on. I still think
Speaker 4: I've got a way to go. When I watch somebody
Speaker 4: like Garga, who is just amazing, I feel like everything
Speaker 4: has improved and I still think I'm going to become
Speaker 4: better and that's the thing that really excites me. And
Speaker 4: I think that's why it's called super bloom as well.
Speaker 4: It's like ever evolving and growing and learning and hopefully
Speaker 4: blossoming without sounding too naff, you know, like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: see how far I've come, but I'm not complacent. I've
Speaker 4: still got to put the work in, like getting the
Speaker 4: vocal lessons, like you know, taking my time with this one.
Speaker 4: It's just yeah, it's constantly kind of I'm constantly learning.
Speaker 2: When you do the podcast and you sit down with
Speaker 2: other artists or even like someone like a Hillary Duff
Speaker 2: who's like very much a pop star and obviously she
Speaker 2: does a lot more than just sing. But do you
Speaker 2: ever is there ever a part of you that sort
Speaker 2: of like comparing notes or do you ever get sort
Speaker 2: of like jealous or competitive? Does that happen in the room.
Speaker 3: I don't think jealous or competitive.
Speaker 4: I definitely somebody like Shaka Khan, I'm just like I
Speaker 4: want to know everything, or like Tracy Thorn from Everything
Speaker 4: but the Girl.
Speaker 3: I remember just like.
Speaker 4: Really doing a very different, less fun interview because I
Speaker 4: just wanted to know how she did this and how
Speaker 4: she did that.
Speaker 3: But it's complete curiosity with Hillary.
Speaker 4: You know, I didn't know much of her music and
Speaker 4: I didn't know her story really, so kind of learning
Speaker 4: about that when I was researching and then listening to
Speaker 4: that album, which I thought was really accomplished, that was
Speaker 4: really fascinating, and thinking about this, you know, this pop
Speaker 4: star that kind of paved the way for so many
Speaker 4: other girls to kind of do a similar thing. So
Speaker 4: I'm kind of always just greedily. I take things from
Speaker 4: what I from what I selfishly. Usually also as well,
Speaker 4: it's a conversation of like how do you do it
Speaker 4: with kids? And like what's your system of the tour
Speaker 4: bus and like how many days can you be away
Speaker 4: from them? But it's nothing to judge. It's more to
Speaker 4: just compare notes and see if they, Oh you got
Speaker 4: a good idea.
Speaker 3: Hillary.
Speaker 4: Hillary so sweetly like we've really got on and I
Speaker 4: was like, yes, no, we had a rapport, and I'm
Speaker 4: sure she can flirt with anyone.
Speaker 3: I'm sure Duff is good at this.
Speaker 4: But she sent me I feel like, but I feel
Speaker 4: like me and Hillary Duff are kind of dating at
Speaker 4: the moment, because she sent me a present. She sent
Speaker 4: me this gorgeous salt and pepper like Mills grind it. Wow,
Speaker 4: I saw these, Thanks for having me, like sent in
Speaker 4: a book. Had the best time, felt so at home,
Speaker 4: could have been there all day, Like thought these were
Speaker 4: good in your kitchen.
Speaker 3: Oh, daff I like this.
Speaker 4: I like this style of of you know, courting me,
Speaker 4: and maybe I'll send you back a good shardon a
Speaker 4: so you have to.
Speaker 2: Drink that because she doesn't like today so good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have a great thing going and it feels so
Speaker 2: authentic and I love it. I love watching I couldn't
Speaker 2: start watching Maya Rude Alph. I was like, I can't
Speaker 2: turn this off.
Speaker 3: She's amazing.
Speaker 2: And I loved seeing you ask about her mom because
Speaker 2: I know many Riperton is such a big influence on
Speaker 2: It was like, is she going to ask.
Speaker 4: You know what? I kind of didn't want to because
Speaker 4: you know, she lost her mum when she was quite young,
Speaker 4: I think, and I'm sure it's quite taxing having to
Speaker 4: kind of relive that grief, and so I was literally
Speaker 4: going to just say, I just want to say, like,
Speaker 4: your mum's a big influence on me, and at that
Speaker 4: I didn't want to kind of ask anything, and then
Speaker 4: she expanded on it and it was like I felt
Speaker 4: so lucky to be privy to this conversation and she
Speaker 4: was so generous with her words and she didn't need to,
Speaker 4: and I didn't expect that from her. She was an amazing,
Speaker 4: amazing guest. Yeah, you know, we've got like somebody like
Speaker 4: Colman Domingo's on my new single, but that came from
Speaker 4: us getting on so well and clicking in the podcast.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I do feel like.
Speaker 4: I acquire these really new, fabulous friends from like having
Speaker 4: a date with them over my food or my mum's food.
Speaker 2: How has just interviewing people, like doing the podcast, doing
Speaker 2: table manners, how has it changed how or has it
Speaker 2: changed how you view being the person who's being interviewed,
Speaker 2: like when you're doing this promo cycle, Like has it
Speaker 2: changed how you are in interviews?
Speaker 4: I think it's made me understand the job that the
Speaker 4: interviewer has to do more. Yeah, but it definitely doesn't
Speaker 4: make me feel like I'm so bored of myself talking.
Speaker 4: That's the thing, Like I'm even talking on the podcast
Speaker 4: or I'm talking in the But then also I know
Speaker 4: it's a very short lived time that you promote a record.
Speaker 4: But I have lots of understanding for the people that
Speaker 4: come in the room, and it's definitely coming from ten
Speaker 4: thousand other things, and we've been fit like slotted in
Speaker 4: and I appreciate their time and I acknowledge that because
Speaker 4: you know, I think the promo is relentless and it's
Speaker 4: a good thing if people want to chat to you.
Speaker 4: So it's this weird thing where you want the promo
Speaker 4: because you if you don't have the promo, then nobody's
Speaker 4: interested in the record, right.
Speaker 2: It's such a necessary part of it, unfortunately.
Speaker 4: But I think the requirements of artists these days, it
Speaker 4: changes every time you do a record, and I do
Speaker 4: feel like we have to be.
Speaker 3: Everything.
Speaker 4: It's not so straightforward. And that sounds like I'm feeling
Speaker 4: sorry for myself.
Speaker 2: No, it's true, because you know, once you're in something
Speaker 2: for any career over ten years, you see sort of
Speaker 2: like the goalpost move And when you started out, promo
Speaker 2: I imagine was more going to radio stations or going
Speaker 2: to markets where maybe you were performing live. Now I
Speaker 2: see you doing these, you know, like Instagram things. You're
Speaker 2: walking down the street and you're talking about your outfit.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about your confidence or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: And that's cool, but it's just it's different and you
Speaker 2: have to show up differently for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you also have to have like
Speaker 4: an answer for every scenario so it doesn't become just
Speaker 4: about an album that you made, do you know what
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 2: They're not talking about the music. They're talking about more lifestyle.
Speaker 4: No, but sometimes that's fun when they don't talk about
Speaker 4: the album, Like you know, Seth Myers, me doing Seth Myers.
Speaker 4: I've never chatted on Seth Myers, and like we're talking,
Speaker 4: he is talking about the album because he's talking about
Speaker 4: like ride and stuff. But like I also understand that,
Speaker 4: like that's not what everyone wants to hear on a
Speaker 4: little clicky bit of anecdote, you know what I mean? Yes,
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear that I had loads of
Speaker 4: friends that weren't very well and like get I get that,
Speaker 4: And this is why this is Like I think that's
Speaker 4: the beauty of podcasts, like the long form, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: But like when I go to a podcast and they
Speaker 4: haven't bothered listening to the record, then I'm.
Speaker 2: Pissed off totally.
Speaker 4: Like then I'm like hang on, like because I think
Speaker 4: with the podcast that I that I do.
Speaker 3: I used to not.
Speaker 4: I used to really arrogantly be like, yeah, the whole
Speaker 4: thing about us is that we don't really prepare and
Speaker 4: and you know, because it's a conversation because I'm not
Speaker 4: a journalist, And that was kind of like my spiel
Speaker 4: because that's what I really believed. And then I was like,
Speaker 4: hang on, I'm having like the opportunity to interview somebody,
Speaker 4: so I need to take this more seriously. Like and
Speaker 4: the requirements of the podcast get more and more. He
Speaker 4: goes visual with all of this stuff, right, and you
Speaker 4: know this week and this is I don't want to
Speaker 4: sound like a martyr because I'm lucky that I get
Speaker 4: to do it. But I'm in this weird world where
Speaker 4: I'm promoting my record, but I also am in the
Speaker 4: season of my podcast. So like, I have Lisa Kudro today,
Speaker 4: So I've watched like three seasons of the Comeback Wroeme
Speaker 4: and Michelle's High School musical. I've been trying to listen
Speaker 4: to every podcast because I want to give the best
Speaker 4: interview I can do for her because she doesn't do
Speaker 4: loads of stuff and I'm lucky to have her Tomorrow
Speaker 4: I have kay tempest on he has written an amazing novel,
Speaker 4: so I've been trying.
Speaker 3: To read this novel whilst also.
Speaker 4: I know that I haven't done enough listening to his
Speaker 4: last record, and so this is the thing where I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is quite a lot. I know.
Speaker 3: It's also really fun by the way, and I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to.
Speaker 2: Come but there's always so many hours in the day.
Speaker 3: There is.
Speaker 4: But so when I'm like, I go on a podcast
Speaker 4: or I go on something and then they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I haven't heard the record yet, I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be a diva and I'm not
Speaker 4: going to walk out, and I'll still give him a
Speaker 4: good interview. But I'm like, come on, mate, Like that's
Speaker 4: just a bit shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I feel that, And it's it's so interesting
Speaker 2: because there are a lot of people who, like I
Speaker 2: think even Larry King was like that, Like he didn't
Speaker 2: want to do research because I think he wanted it
Speaker 2: to be more of a spur of the moment interview.
Speaker 2: And sometimes that's fine, yeah, yeah, and it can be
Speaker 2: totally fine, but I do think that like the expectation,
Speaker 2: like you were saying for the like short clips that
Speaker 2: you're hoping will kind of like pop off online. Like
Speaker 2: that's really a lot of pressure.
Speaker 4: I mean the thing with the clips on like Seth
Speaker 4: was glorious to do because he's just the warmest, best
Speaker 4: interviewing so you can just have fun with him. But like,
Speaker 4: and I and I think that, you know, I do
Speaker 4: feel lucky that I get to be put in the
Speaker 4: room with people and I get to do these interviews,
Speaker 4: you know, like I'm doing your podcast. You know, for me,
Speaker 4: this is a real honor to do this on this
Speaker 4: on this campaign, So thank you. And I think what's
Speaker 4: changed as well is you used to go out for
Speaker 4: a coffee and you talk, or you go for a
Speaker 4: walk and you do an interview. And I think because
Speaker 4: now from COVID, everything's gone online, so I can work
Speaker 4: till eleven o'clock at night because there's the accessibility to
Speaker 4: be able to do that, and it's okay, Like it's okay, right.
Speaker 2: And the relationship with your mom now that you're working
Speaker 2: with your mom, were you always close growing up? Is
Speaker 2: this a strange development now that you're now so close?
Speaker 4: No, we were always close. Yeah, I think we were
Speaker 4: always quite similar. That was kind of like what everyone said.
Speaker 4: We were very sociable and yeah, people said that we
Speaker 4: were the closest and kind of like character and working
Speaker 4: with her, it's like it is challenging, it's amazing. But
Speaker 4: like today I'm like in charge of the food because
Speaker 4: it just logistically I was in charge of the food,
Speaker 4: and I'm in charge of the food tomorrow and that
Speaker 4: like we we kind of plan who's going to be
Speaker 4: and she comes in and she's like got her she
Speaker 4: she got her curlers and she looks fabulous, and Luca
Speaker 4: are socials person like wants to film.
Speaker 3: She's like, don't you dare film me? And she's like
Speaker 3: one second, I've got to speak to the doctor. And
Speaker 3: then she's like the diva has walked in.
Speaker 4: And I'm like they're trying to finish the audiobook but
Speaker 4: also trying to watch like another episode of Friends, and
Speaker 4: I'm like trying to finish the cookies and stuff, and
Speaker 4: she's she's just being a diva and I'm like, Lenny,
Speaker 4: can you just be polite today?
Speaker 3: That's all I ask?
Speaker 4: And then you check her on it and then she's
Speaker 4: like okay, fine, and then she turns into like being mum.
Speaker 3: She's like, mum, darling, what can I do for you? Darling?
Speaker 3: Can I do?
Speaker 4: And then she wants to be mum. But I think
Speaker 4: I do ask quite a lot of her. You know,
Speaker 4: she's seventy four and she's like required to do you know, sometimes.
Speaker 3: Two podcasts a week. She also works, still does she?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And what does she do for work?
Speaker 3: She's a social worker? Oh wow, wow, that's cool.
Speaker 2: No, wonder you do so much shit, Jessie, your mom.
Speaker 3: Look at Lenny.
Speaker 4: My brother is a doctor and my mom's a social worker.
Speaker 4: I'm just a fucking singer.
Speaker 2: Like you know, No, but you do so you take
Speaker 2: on so much or such a go getter. I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like it runs in the family.
Speaker 3: We do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I definitely like to take on shiit but
Speaker 4: like lucky to But yeah, I think sometimes it just
Speaker 4: you know, I have to give my mom some grace
Speaker 4: that like I've made her do this podcast that is
Speaker 4: really I know, she loves it and she loves meeting
Speaker 4: people like her meeting Harlan Coben, she was just like
Speaker 4: the best, and you know she does she loves it.
Speaker 3: But also it isnt it's a job, you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Like, well, last break and we'll be back with Jess.
Speaker 2: Where what is your usually your process with writing and
Speaker 2: with creating these songs, Like is this something that you
Speaker 2: set apart time every day? Do you write when the
Speaker 2: inspiration hits you or do you have to sort of
Speaker 2: like carve out time and leave your house.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of always writing ideas in my phone, which
Speaker 4: is so unromantic.
Speaker 3: I need to like have my notebook with me.
Speaker 4: No, it's so common though, notes that it's like yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's just the media, like and so a lot
Speaker 4: of it comes from like making playlists on my Spotify
Speaker 4: and kind of just being inspired by like soaking up
Speaker 4: music and kind of studying and listening and just trying
Speaker 4: to I think it's really hard. You have to constantly
Speaker 4: remind yourself to listen to music for like enjoyment and
Speaker 4: pleasure rather than like studying and research, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. But equally, it always kind of happens if
Speaker 4: you're in that frame of mind. But I do have
Speaker 4: to have a bit of space from it. But I'm
Speaker 4: really ready to try and write again. But it's always
Speaker 4: funny that like beginning part where you're writing a record,
Speaker 4: because I always feel a bit sorry sometimes for this
Speaker 4: producers or the writers that you're in with, because you're
Speaker 4: kind of trying to form ideas and maybe you've got
Speaker 4: an idea, but like I mean, naturally, don't you know?
Speaker 4: Who I Am was one of the first songs I wrote,
Speaker 4: and it's stayed on the record. But it's a lot
Speaker 4: of kind of throwing things out and seeing what sticks,
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, But I just I now trust that
Speaker 4: process and it's okay, Like it's fine, you've got to start,
Speaker 4: and you've got to get on the bar starts somewhere exactly,
Speaker 4: and it doesn't have to be perfect the first session.
Speaker 3: And I think that's been something that's really great.
Speaker 2: The producers might enjoy that too, like maybe that's fun
Speaker 2: for them to try and find the parts that are
Speaker 2: you know, resonated or whatever.
Speaker 4: And I think, like you know, on Ride, I took
Speaker 4: the unbared beautiful hold my Hips Watch Move That was
Speaker 4: from a song that I wrote with James and Coffee
Speaker 4: and another session that was not going to go anywhere,
Speaker 4: but that felt so amazing and sexty and I was like,
Speaker 4: I think that would work in this song, and they
Speaker 4: were cool about that. So I think that's also something
Speaker 4: that you can play around with. It's a bit of
Speaker 4: a jigsaw puzzle totally.
Speaker 2: Is there anything that I didn't ask you specifically about
Speaker 2: the album that you want to talk about, or any
Speaker 2: aspect of making the album that you wanted to talk about.
Speaker 3: I think you know.
Speaker 4: The fact that I have allowed the listener into my
Speaker 4: private life a bit more is quite newfound territory for me.
Speaker 4: I'm very protective of my children, and that sounds like
Speaker 4: a contradiction because I've now got them on a song.
Speaker 2: But sixteen Summers.
Speaker 4: Sixteen Summers, my little son is at the beginning of that,
Speaker 4: and then there's a song called love You for where
Speaker 4: they all got a little moment on the beginning, and
Speaker 4: for me, that was really quite a selfish thing that
Speaker 4: I was like, I want us to listen to that
Speaker 4: in twenty years and be like, do you remember you a.
Speaker 3: Little hyghe bitch sweet voices before they rocked?
Speaker 4: And you know, for me, it's about these memories and
Speaker 4: trying to celebrate the fact that I try my hardest
Speaker 4: to try and do my best in doing it all,
Speaker 4: and that is a hard thing and I definitely am
Speaker 4: not getting it right all the time. But for them
Speaker 4: to be able to be in my world and come
Speaker 4: to the office for the day. So that was something
Speaker 4: that was really sweet and special. But also I was like,
Speaker 4: I think I'm more confident as an artist to be
Speaker 4: able to make that choice. But really it was just
Speaker 4: so that I think I've been listening to a lot
Speaker 4: of Minnie Riperton as well and Stevie, so I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, you know how she sings about Maya on
Speaker 4: loving you at the end, and then like, you know,
Speaker 4: Stevie having like the kids splashing in the bath and
Speaker 4: like and it isn't she lovely? And I think it's
Speaker 4: his daughter splashing in the bath and like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm like I wanted to present.
Speaker 4: A tiny part of my beautiful family that I'm so
Speaker 4: lucky to have and that they can't they don't have
Speaker 4: to be exclusive, like they can be together and it
Speaker 4: can be a beautiful thing. Whilst before I was so
Speaker 4: scared of that, you know, And so that was something
Speaker 4: that I wanted to kind of celebrate.
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you because I know that you
Speaker 2: ask people on tablemailers if they were going away to
Speaker 2: the to the desert island, what's your last meal? If
Speaker 2: you were going away to a desert island, what albums
Speaker 2: would you bring with you to listen to? You to
Speaker 2: listen to and desert island.
Speaker 4: Discs, Okay, I'd bring probably like Shah Day, Diamond Life.
Speaker 3: I'd bring.
Speaker 4: Like, I'd bring one of those really NAF, like not
Speaker 4: even greatest hits of it's not NAF. I used to
Speaker 4: have this Stevie Wonder CD. It was the same day
Speaker 4: that I bought Deangela's Brown Sugar that I would also take,
Speaker 4: and it was like it went from little Stevie Wonder
Speaker 4: like when he was like playing to kind of all
Speaker 4: his stuff. But I definitely it wasn't full albums. It
Speaker 4: was like a really good massive CD. It was like
Speaker 4: kind of six CDs or something like that, and I
Speaker 4: loved it, and I think because I was it was
Speaker 4: great And definitely, of course you go songs in the
Speaker 4: care of Life and I get that, but like it
Speaker 4: just had everything kind of on it and it was
Speaker 4: fab So I'd do something like that really crudely, I'd
Speaker 4: probably bring a Dusty Springfield record. I'm just trying to
Speaker 4: think which one I would bring. This tape that my
Speaker 4: mum had that was Ella Fitzgerald singing Cole Porter and
Speaker 4: she also had one that she was singing Gershwin songs.
Speaker 4: So I'd have like some show old jazz standards. I'm
Speaker 4: just trying to think, because like i'd love just like
Speaker 4: a really good mix from my DJ friend Besly for
Speaker 4: all the great I'd want a two hour disco mix. Yes,
Speaker 4: I think that's how i'd want it. I probably want
Speaker 4: the boody good soundtrack Whitney. Need some Whitney though, Yes.
Speaker 2: Okay, is there anything else I didn't ask you about
Speaker 2: that you want to talk about?
Speaker 3: But thank you so much. It's been really nice to
Speaker 3: chat to.
Speaker 2: Here, so nice. Thank you so much. And yeah, congrats
Speaker 2: on everything.
Speaker 3: The album is incredible, such a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you all right, have a really good day. Bye,
Speaker 2: see you later.
Speaker 3: Thanks guys.
Speaker 4: Bye.
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