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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Jesse Ware has always moved between worlds. She's a

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Speaker 1: Jesse traces that sonic evolution back to an especially ripe

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Speaker 1: a new kind of confidence. This month, Jesse is releasing

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Speaker 1: The Killers Day and Age. On today's episode, Lea Rose

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Speaker 1: talks with Jesse Ware about how super Bloom was born

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Speaker 1: and how that led to an album that sounds like

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Speaker 1: pure joy. Jesse also talks about channeling Grace Jones to

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Speaker 1: public like never before. This is Broken Record, real musicians,

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Speaker 1: real conversations. Here's Lea Rose with Jesse Ware. Head over

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Speaker 1: to YouTube dot com slash Broken Record podcast to see

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Speaker 2: With the new album super Bloom. I think it is

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Speaker 2: so brilliant how you are approaching life as a woman,

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Speaker 2: you know, women in our forties. It's like you're so

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think I was.

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Speaker 4: Actually I think I I was just writing and writing

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Speaker 4: So in songs like Ride or Sauna or even don't

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Speaker 4: And in my head, I'm like Grace Jones, Madonna, Lady Garga,

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Speaker 2: Whatever works. I feel like, looking at your career and

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Speaker 4: I wanted to make this kind of dance disco record.

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't have been like you know, but I really

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you too about the evolution of

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So tell me tell me about the journey of your

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Speaker 4: I really wanted people to hear me on this record.

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Speaker 4: I wanted them to hear every kind of aspect of

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Speaker 3: But I you know, there's a.

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Speaker 4: Key change in that, and I feel like that's the

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Speaker 4: strong enough to kind of handle that night after night

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00:23:17,356 --> 00:23:20,116
Speaker 4: and with the traveling, so I kind of was humbled

439
00:23:20,116 --> 00:23:25,556
Speaker 4: and had to relearn how to really sing. So I, yeah,

440
00:23:25,636 --> 00:23:28,556
Speaker 4: relearned technique really, and then I wanted to apply that

441
00:23:28,596 --> 00:23:31,836
Speaker 4: to like how I approached the vocals in this on

442
00:23:31,876 --> 00:23:34,676
Speaker 4: this record, So yeah, I like worked really, I mean

443
00:23:34,876 --> 00:23:36,916
Speaker 4: I wrote the songs and you do them, and then

444
00:23:36,956 --> 00:23:39,636
Speaker 4: I was like, how do I improve these I'm going

445
00:23:39,716 --> 00:23:42,836
Speaker 4: to work like every day on how to nail them,

446
00:23:42,836 --> 00:23:46,356
Speaker 4: and like no doubt, after a year of touring, I'll

447
00:23:46,356 --> 00:23:47,916
Speaker 4: be able to sing these songs better than I did

448
00:23:47,956 --> 00:23:51,436
Speaker 4: on you Know This in the studio. But I wanted

449
00:23:51,476 --> 00:23:54,636
Speaker 4: to give the best possible vocal performance because that's the

450
00:23:54,676 --> 00:23:57,716
Speaker 4: thing with you know, writing a record, like you write

451
00:23:57,716 --> 00:24:02,476
Speaker 4: a demo and something clicks and then you go and vocalist.

452
00:24:02,556 --> 00:24:04,636
Speaker 4: I really like the muscle memory, you know when I

453
00:24:04,676 --> 00:24:06,596
Speaker 4: sing something like say you Love Me, which I've had

454
00:24:06,596 --> 00:24:11,836
Speaker 4: in my catalog for since album two. So what was

455
00:24:11,876 --> 00:24:14,956
Speaker 4: that in twenty fourteen to like twelve years. I don't

456
00:24:14,996 --> 00:24:17,036
Speaker 4: even have to think about how to sing that song.

457
00:24:17,596 --> 00:24:20,316
Speaker 4: I can just do it, Whereas you have these new

458
00:24:20,356 --> 00:24:23,316
Speaker 4: ones then and you have to you have to work

459
00:24:23,356 --> 00:24:26,596
Speaker 4: out how you're going to present it. So I wanted

460
00:24:26,596 --> 00:24:29,036
Speaker 4: to give my voice the best possible chance. But yeah,

461
00:24:29,076 --> 00:24:33,756
Speaker 4: so I did loads of training and I wanted to

462
00:24:33,796 --> 00:24:35,996
Speaker 4: show more of myself. I was ready to show more

463
00:24:36,036 --> 00:24:40,396
Speaker 4: of myself and to be confident and kind of be

464
00:24:40,516 --> 00:24:43,196
Speaker 4: the star that my fans make me feel I am.

465
00:24:43,436 --> 00:24:44,796
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sound so good?

466
00:24:45,196 --> 00:24:45,676
Speaker 3: Thank you?

467
00:24:45,916 --> 00:24:48,876
Speaker 2: Do you have a performance that you think like you

468
00:24:49,036 --> 00:24:51,436
Speaker 2: just nailed it, Like it's what you were you set

469
00:24:51,476 --> 00:24:53,556
Speaker 2: out to do on this new album.

470
00:24:53,836 --> 00:24:54,236
Speaker 3: I don't know.

471
00:24:54,276 --> 00:24:56,236
Speaker 4: I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so I kind of

472
00:24:56,236 --> 00:24:59,956
Speaker 4: feel like I definitely would still want to change a

473
00:25:00,036 --> 00:25:03,236
Speaker 4: line how I've vocaled it. I think, don't you know

474
00:25:03,276 --> 00:25:07,916
Speaker 4: who I Am has this kind of like madness with

475
00:25:08,036 --> 00:25:11,676
Speaker 4: it that I wanted to across and like drama, and

476
00:25:11,716 --> 00:25:13,956
Speaker 4: I really enjoy that one. I think that one's going

477
00:25:14,036 --> 00:25:19,036
Speaker 4: to be really fun to perform and something I even write,

478
00:25:19,276 --> 00:25:23,756
Speaker 4: you know, like having the confidence to make a synth

479
00:25:24,076 --> 00:25:27,636
Speaker 4: melody that's any Marconi to be the hook I wanted

480
00:25:27,676 --> 00:25:27,996
Speaker 4: to do.

481
00:25:28,516 --> 00:25:29,516
Speaker 3: I wanted to be.

482
00:25:29,516 --> 00:25:31,316
Speaker 4: Like, hang on, I don't need to Yeah, I'm going

483
00:25:31,356 --> 00:25:33,276
Speaker 4: to join in and I'll do some big vocals. But

484
00:25:33,356 --> 00:25:36,636
Speaker 4: like I wanted to have that confidence to be able

485
00:25:36,676 --> 00:25:40,796
Speaker 4: to play with the music and the experience of listening

486
00:25:40,876 --> 00:25:41,076
Speaker 4: to me.

487
00:25:41,876 --> 00:25:44,756
Speaker 2: What do you think you are best at as an artist?

488
00:25:44,916 --> 00:25:46,876
Speaker 2: Like do you think it's the writing bit? Do you

489
00:25:46,916 --> 00:25:50,756
Speaker 2: think it's the A and R ing production, thinking about tracks,

490
00:25:51,276 --> 00:25:55,316
Speaker 2: thinking about sequencing? What do you excel at? Like where

491
00:25:55,356 --> 00:25:57,716
Speaker 2: is your gift in the mix? The performance?

492
00:25:57,916 --> 00:26:03,196
Speaker 4: Of course, I think I've got better at songwriting. I

493
00:26:03,196 --> 00:26:06,716
Speaker 4: don't think I'm the best in the room usually, but

494
00:26:06,796 --> 00:26:09,236
Speaker 4: I have got so much better. But I think I

495
00:26:09,276 --> 00:26:12,676
Speaker 4: can steer the ship really well. And I think I

496
00:26:12,716 --> 00:26:15,596
Speaker 4: can that's A and R it. Yeah, And I think

497
00:26:15,636 --> 00:26:20,116
Speaker 4: I have really improved as a songwriter because I've allowed

498
00:26:20,116 --> 00:26:22,436
Speaker 4: myself to be more open and take more risks and

499
00:26:23,476 --> 00:26:28,396
Speaker 4: listen to my gart and my taste and not apologize

500
00:26:28,436 --> 00:26:30,876
Speaker 4: for that, do you know what I mean? But I

501
00:26:30,916 --> 00:26:33,276
Speaker 4: do think my performance has come on. I still think

502
00:26:33,276 --> 00:26:35,476
Speaker 4: I've got a way to go. When I watch somebody

503
00:26:35,556 --> 00:26:40,516
Speaker 4: like Garga, who is just amazing, I feel like everything

504
00:26:40,596 --> 00:26:44,036
Speaker 4: has improved and I still think I'm going to become

505
00:26:44,076 --> 00:26:47,316
Speaker 4: better and that's the thing that really excites me. And

506
00:26:47,356 --> 00:26:49,116
Speaker 4: I think that's why it's called super bloom as well.

507
00:26:49,116 --> 00:26:56,676
Speaker 4: It's like ever evolving and growing and learning and hopefully

508
00:26:56,716 --> 00:27:00,796
Speaker 4: blossoming without sounding too naff, you know, like, yeah, I

509
00:27:00,836 --> 00:27:04,556
Speaker 4: see how far I've come, but I'm not complacent. I've

510
00:27:04,636 --> 00:27:06,476
Speaker 4: still got to put the work in, like getting the

511
00:27:06,556 --> 00:27:10,356
Speaker 4: vocal lessons, like you know, taking my time with this one.

512
00:27:10,396 --> 00:27:14,116
Speaker 4: It's just yeah, it's constantly kind of I'm constantly learning.

513
00:27:14,556 --> 00:27:16,756
Speaker 2: When you do the podcast and you sit down with

514
00:27:16,796 --> 00:27:19,676
Speaker 2: other artists or even like someone like a Hillary Duff

515
00:27:19,796 --> 00:27:23,516
Speaker 2: who's like very much a pop star and obviously she

516
00:27:23,596 --> 00:27:27,636
Speaker 2: does a lot more than just sing. But do you

517
00:27:27,756 --> 00:27:29,436
Speaker 2: ever is there ever a part of you that sort

518
00:27:29,476 --> 00:27:32,436
Speaker 2: of like comparing notes or do you ever get sort

519
00:27:32,476 --> 00:27:37,276
Speaker 2: of like jealous or competitive? Does that happen in the room.

520
00:27:37,956 --> 00:27:39,836
Speaker 3: I don't think jealous or competitive.

521
00:27:39,956 --> 00:27:45,396
Speaker 4: I definitely somebody like Shaka Khan, I'm just like I

522
00:27:45,436 --> 00:27:48,996
Speaker 4: want to know everything, or like Tracy Thorn from Everything

523
00:27:49,036 --> 00:27:49,516
Speaker 4: but the Girl.

524
00:27:49,556 --> 00:27:50,476
Speaker 3: I remember just like.

525
00:27:52,036 --> 00:27:55,476
Speaker 4: Really doing a very different, less fun interview because I

526
00:27:55,556 --> 00:27:57,596
Speaker 4: just wanted to know how she did this and how

527
00:27:57,636 --> 00:27:58,156
Speaker 4: she did that.

528
00:27:58,556 --> 00:28:02,556
Speaker 3: But it's complete curiosity with Hillary.

529
00:28:02,636 --> 00:28:05,356
Speaker 4: You know, I didn't know much of her music and

530
00:28:05,436 --> 00:28:09,476
Speaker 4: I didn't know her story really, so kind of learning

531
00:28:09,556 --> 00:28:11,956
Speaker 4: about that when I was researching and then listening to

532
00:28:11,996 --> 00:28:15,196
Speaker 4: that album, which I thought was really accomplished, that was

533
00:28:15,236 --> 00:28:17,556
Speaker 4: really fascinating, and thinking about this, you know, this pop

534
00:28:17,596 --> 00:28:19,596
Speaker 4: star that kind of paved the way for so many

535
00:28:20,436 --> 00:28:24,556
Speaker 4: other girls to kind of do a similar thing. So

536
00:28:25,716 --> 00:28:29,796
Speaker 4: I'm kind of always just greedily. I take things from

537
00:28:29,796 --> 00:28:33,316
Speaker 4: what I from what I selfishly. Usually also as well,

538
00:28:33,356 --> 00:28:35,116
Speaker 4: it's a conversation of like how do you do it

539
00:28:35,156 --> 00:28:37,596
Speaker 4: with kids? And like what's your system of the tour

540
00:28:37,676 --> 00:28:40,396
Speaker 4: bus and like how many days can you be away

541
00:28:40,396 --> 00:28:42,796
Speaker 4: from them? But it's nothing to judge. It's more to

542
00:28:42,836 --> 00:28:44,756
Speaker 4: just compare notes and see if they, Oh you got

543
00:28:44,796 --> 00:28:45,716
Speaker 4: a good idea.

544
00:28:45,996 --> 00:28:46,396
Speaker 3: Hillary.

545
00:28:46,796 --> 00:28:49,956
Speaker 4: Hillary so sweetly like we've really got on and I

546
00:28:50,076 --> 00:28:53,476
Speaker 4: was like, yes, no, we had a rapport, and I'm

547
00:28:53,516 --> 00:28:54,916
Speaker 4: sure she can flirt with anyone.

548
00:28:54,916 --> 00:28:56,356
Speaker 3: I'm sure Duff is good at this.

549
00:28:56,556 --> 00:29:00,436
Speaker 4: But she sent me I feel like, but I feel

550
00:29:00,436 --> 00:29:02,236
Speaker 4: like me and Hillary Duff are kind of dating at

551
00:29:02,236 --> 00:29:07,076
Speaker 4: the moment, because she sent me a present. She sent

552
00:29:07,116 --> 00:29:11,516
Speaker 4: me this gorgeous salt and pepper like Mills grind it. Wow,

553
00:29:12,876 --> 00:29:16,276
Speaker 4: I saw these, Thanks for having me, like sent in

554
00:29:16,316 --> 00:29:18,996
Speaker 4: a book. Had the best time, felt so at home,

555
00:29:19,076 --> 00:29:20,676
Speaker 4: could have been there all day, Like thought these were

556
00:29:21,036 --> 00:29:22,036
Speaker 4: good in your kitchen.

557
00:29:22,516 --> 00:29:24,556
Speaker 3: Oh, daff I like this.

558
00:29:24,756 --> 00:29:28,676
Speaker 4: I like this style of of you know, courting me,

559
00:29:29,236 --> 00:29:31,276
Speaker 4: and maybe I'll send you back a good shardon a

560
00:29:31,356 --> 00:29:31,796
Speaker 4: so you have to.

561
00:29:31,836 --> 00:29:36,156
Speaker 2: Drink that because she doesn't like today so good. Yeah,

562
00:29:36,196 --> 00:29:38,156
Speaker 2: you have a great thing going and it feels so

563
00:29:38,236 --> 00:29:40,836
Speaker 2: authentic and I love it. I love watching I couldn't

564
00:29:40,836 --> 00:29:43,476
Speaker 2: start watching Maya Rude Alph. I was like, I can't

565
00:29:43,516 --> 00:29:44,236
Speaker 2: turn this off.

566
00:29:44,596 --> 00:29:45,316
Speaker 3: She's amazing.

567
00:29:45,476 --> 00:29:47,876
Speaker 2: And I loved seeing you ask about her mom because

568
00:29:47,916 --> 00:29:50,956
Speaker 2: I know many Riperton is such a big influence on

569
00:29:51,396 --> 00:29:53,036
Speaker 2: It was like, is she going to ask.

570
00:29:53,316 --> 00:29:55,796
Speaker 4: You know what? I kind of didn't want to because

571
00:29:55,836 --> 00:29:57,916
Speaker 4: you know, she lost her mum when she was quite young,

572
00:29:57,956 --> 00:30:00,556
Speaker 4: I think, and I'm sure it's quite taxing having to

573
00:30:00,636 --> 00:30:05,516
Speaker 4: kind of relive that grief, and so I was literally

574
00:30:05,556 --> 00:30:07,556
Speaker 4: going to just say, I just want to say, like,

575
00:30:07,596 --> 00:30:09,556
Speaker 4: your mum's a big influence on me, and at that

576
00:30:09,596 --> 00:30:12,836
Speaker 4: I didn't want to kind of ask anything, and then

577
00:30:12,916 --> 00:30:14,716
Speaker 4: she expanded on it and it was like I felt

578
00:30:14,756 --> 00:30:20,236
Speaker 4: so lucky to be privy to this conversation and she

579
00:30:20,396 --> 00:30:22,636
Speaker 4: was so generous with her words and she didn't need to,

580
00:30:22,876 --> 00:30:25,796
Speaker 4: and I didn't expect that from her. She was an amazing,

581
00:30:25,916 --> 00:30:28,916
Speaker 4: amazing guest. Yeah, you know, we've got like somebody like

582
00:30:28,996 --> 00:30:32,396
Speaker 4: Colman Domingo's on my new single, but that came from

583
00:30:32,636 --> 00:30:35,236
Speaker 4: us getting on so well and clicking in the podcast.

584
00:30:35,476 --> 00:30:37,716
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I do feel like.

585
00:30:37,716 --> 00:30:41,236
Speaker 4: I acquire these really new, fabulous friends from like having

586
00:30:41,316 --> 00:30:43,836
Speaker 4: a date with them over my food or my mum's food.

587
00:30:44,916 --> 00:30:48,316
Speaker 2: How has just interviewing people, like doing the podcast, doing

588
00:30:48,356 --> 00:30:52,436
Speaker 2: table manners, how has it changed how or has it

589
00:30:52,556 --> 00:30:56,676
Speaker 2: changed how you view being the person who's being interviewed,

590
00:30:56,716 --> 00:30:59,676
Speaker 2: like when you're doing this promo cycle, Like has it

591
00:30:59,796 --> 00:31:01,396
Speaker 2: changed how you are in interviews?

592
00:31:01,796 --> 00:31:06,716
Speaker 4: I think it's made me understand the job that the

593
00:31:06,756 --> 00:31:10,356
Speaker 4: interviewer has to do more. Yeah, but it definitely doesn't

594
00:31:10,396 --> 00:31:13,836
Speaker 4: make me feel like I'm so bored of myself talking.

595
00:31:14,276 --> 00:31:16,756
Speaker 4: That's the thing, Like I'm even talking on the podcast

596
00:31:17,596 --> 00:31:19,436
Speaker 4: or I'm talking in the But then also I know

597
00:31:19,476 --> 00:31:22,716
Speaker 4: it's a very short lived time that you promote a record.

598
00:31:23,076 --> 00:31:25,716
Speaker 4: But I have lots of understanding for the people that

599
00:31:25,756 --> 00:31:30,436
Speaker 4: come in the room, and it's definitely coming from ten

600
00:31:30,556 --> 00:31:33,556
Speaker 4: thousand other things, and we've been fit like slotted in

601
00:31:33,916 --> 00:31:37,956
Speaker 4: and I appreciate their time and I acknowledge that because

602
00:31:38,076 --> 00:31:42,396
Speaker 4: you know, I think the promo is relentless and it's

603
00:31:42,396 --> 00:31:44,556
Speaker 4: a good thing if people want to chat to you.

604
00:31:44,596 --> 00:31:48,556
Speaker 4: So it's this weird thing where you want the promo

605
00:31:48,716 --> 00:31:50,996
Speaker 4: because you if you don't have the promo, then nobody's

606
00:31:51,156 --> 00:31:52,356
Speaker 4: interested in the record, right.

607
00:31:52,716 --> 00:31:56,516
Speaker 2: It's such a necessary part of it, unfortunately.

608
00:31:56,796 --> 00:32:02,316
Speaker 4: But I think the requirements of artists these days, it

609
00:32:02,476 --> 00:32:05,796
Speaker 4: changes every time you do a record, and I do

610
00:32:05,876 --> 00:32:07,356
Speaker 4: feel like we have to be.

611
00:32:09,836 --> 00:32:10,316
Speaker 3: Everything.

612
00:32:10,356 --> 00:32:14,316
Speaker 4: It's not so straightforward. And that sounds like I'm feeling

613
00:32:14,356 --> 00:32:15,036
Speaker 4: sorry for myself.

614
00:32:15,276 --> 00:32:17,996
Speaker 2: No, it's true, because you know, once you're in something

615
00:32:18,116 --> 00:32:21,156
Speaker 2: for any career over ten years, you see sort of

616
00:32:21,236 --> 00:32:24,636
Speaker 2: like the goalpost move And when you started out, promo

617
00:32:25,356 --> 00:32:30,156
Speaker 2: I imagine was more going to radio stations or going

618
00:32:30,196 --> 00:32:34,196
Speaker 2: to markets where maybe you were performing live. Now I

619
00:32:34,276 --> 00:32:39,116
Speaker 2: see you doing these, you know, like Instagram things. You're

620
00:32:39,156 --> 00:32:41,636
Speaker 2: walking down the street and you're talking about your outfit.

621
00:32:41,676 --> 00:32:44,236
Speaker 2: Are you talking about your confidence or whatever it is.

622
00:32:44,316 --> 00:32:48,676
Speaker 2: And that's cool, but it's just it's different and you

623
00:32:48,716 --> 00:32:50,196
Speaker 2: have to show up differently for it.

624
00:32:50,636 --> 00:32:53,476
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you also have to have like

625
00:32:53,556 --> 00:32:58,116
Speaker 4: an answer for every scenario so it doesn't become just

626
00:32:58,196 --> 00:33:01,596
Speaker 4: about an album that you made, do you know what

627
00:33:01,636 --> 00:33:01,956
Speaker 4: I mean?

628
00:33:02,676 --> 00:33:06,556
Speaker 2: They're not talking about the music. They're talking about more lifestyle.

629
00:33:07,116 --> 00:33:10,676
Speaker 4: No, but sometimes that's fun when they don't talk about

630
00:33:10,676 --> 00:33:13,956
Speaker 4: the album, Like you know, Seth Myers, me doing Seth Myers.

631
00:33:13,996 --> 00:33:16,276
Speaker 4: I've never chatted on Seth Myers, and like we're talking,

632
00:33:16,316 --> 00:33:18,036
Speaker 4: he is talking about the album because he's talking about

633
00:33:18,036 --> 00:33:20,916
Speaker 4: like ride and stuff. But like I also understand that,

634
00:33:20,996 --> 00:33:23,676
Speaker 4: like that's not what everyone wants to hear on a

635
00:33:23,716 --> 00:33:26,876
Speaker 4: little clicky bit of anecdote, you know what I mean? Yes,

636
00:33:27,036 --> 00:33:29,276
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear that I had loads of

637
00:33:29,476 --> 00:33:33,196
Speaker 4: friends that weren't very well and like get I get that,

638
00:33:33,316 --> 00:33:35,036
Speaker 4: And this is why this is Like I think that's

639
00:33:35,036 --> 00:33:38,036
Speaker 4: the beauty of podcasts, like the long form, right, Yeah,

640
00:33:38,196 --> 00:33:40,476
Speaker 4: But like when I go to a podcast and they

641
00:33:40,476 --> 00:33:42,636
Speaker 4: haven't bothered listening to the record, then I'm.

642
00:33:42,476 --> 00:33:44,236
Speaker 2: Pissed off totally.

643
00:33:44,556 --> 00:33:48,836
Speaker 4: Like then I'm like hang on, like because I think

644
00:33:49,836 --> 00:33:51,836
Speaker 4: with the podcast that I that I do.

645
00:33:52,916 --> 00:33:54,316
Speaker 3: I used to not.

646
00:33:54,756 --> 00:33:57,036
Speaker 4: I used to really arrogantly be like, yeah, the whole

647
00:33:57,036 --> 00:34:01,076
Speaker 4: thing about us is that we don't really prepare and

648
00:34:01,076 --> 00:34:02,996
Speaker 4: and you know, because it's a conversation because I'm not

649
00:34:02,996 --> 00:34:05,076
Speaker 4: a journalist, And that was kind of like my spiel

650
00:34:05,316 --> 00:34:07,236
Speaker 4: because that's what I really believed. And then I was like,

651
00:34:07,276 --> 00:34:12,756
Speaker 4: hang on, I'm having like the opportunity to interview somebody,

652
00:34:13,196 --> 00:34:16,476
Speaker 4: so I need to take this more seriously. Like and

653
00:34:16,996 --> 00:34:19,076
Speaker 4: the requirements of the podcast get more and more. He

654
00:34:19,156 --> 00:34:22,396
Speaker 4: goes visual with all of this stuff, right, and you

655
00:34:22,436 --> 00:34:24,916
Speaker 4: know this week and this is I don't want to

656
00:34:24,916 --> 00:34:26,916
Speaker 4: sound like a martyr because I'm lucky that I get

657
00:34:26,956 --> 00:34:29,316
Speaker 4: to do it. But I'm in this weird world where

658
00:34:29,316 --> 00:34:31,836
Speaker 4: I'm promoting my record, but I also am in the

659
00:34:31,876 --> 00:34:35,476
Speaker 4: season of my podcast. So like, I have Lisa Kudro today,

660
00:34:35,676 --> 00:34:38,836
Speaker 4: So I've watched like three seasons of the Comeback Wroeme

661
00:34:38,876 --> 00:34:41,356
Speaker 4: and Michelle's High School musical. I've been trying to listen

662
00:34:41,396 --> 00:34:43,476
Speaker 4: to every podcast because I want to give the best

663
00:34:43,476 --> 00:34:46,116
Speaker 4: interview I can do for her because she doesn't do

664
00:34:46,196 --> 00:34:49,276
Speaker 4: loads of stuff and I'm lucky to have her Tomorrow

665
00:34:49,316 --> 00:34:53,116
Speaker 4: I have kay tempest on he has written an amazing novel,

666
00:34:53,796 --> 00:34:54,796
Speaker 4: so I've been trying.

667
00:34:54,556 --> 00:34:57,436
Speaker 3: To read this novel whilst also.

668
00:34:57,356 --> 00:35:00,036
Speaker 4: I know that I haven't done enough listening to his

669
00:35:00,116 --> 00:35:02,396
Speaker 4: last record, and so this is the thing where I'm like,

670
00:35:03,396 --> 00:35:05,116
Speaker 4: this is quite a lot. I know.

671
00:35:05,196 --> 00:35:07,396
Speaker 3: It's also really fun by the way, and I'm not

672
00:35:07,436 --> 00:35:07,756
Speaker 3: trying to.

673
00:35:07,716 --> 00:35:09,796
Speaker 2: Come but there's always so many hours in the day.

674
00:35:10,276 --> 00:35:10,716
Speaker 3: There is.

675
00:35:10,756 --> 00:35:13,036
Speaker 4: But so when I'm like, I go on a podcast

676
00:35:13,156 --> 00:35:14,516
Speaker 4: or I go on something and then they're like, yeah,

677
00:35:14,516 --> 00:35:15,836
Speaker 4: I haven't heard the record yet, I'm.

678
00:35:15,676 --> 00:35:16,916
Speaker 3: Like, are you fucking kidding me?

679
00:35:17,116 --> 00:35:17,996
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and.

680
00:35:17,956 --> 00:35:19,156
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be a diva and I'm not

681
00:35:19,156 --> 00:35:20,476
Speaker 4: going to walk out, and I'll still give him a

682
00:35:20,476 --> 00:35:23,356
Speaker 4: good interview. But I'm like, come on, mate, Like that's

683
00:35:23,396 --> 00:35:23,996
Speaker 4: just a bit shit.

684
00:35:24,916 --> 00:35:28,556
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I feel that, And it's it's so interesting

685
00:35:28,596 --> 00:35:31,676
Speaker 2: because there are a lot of people who, like I

686
00:35:31,716 --> 00:35:34,356
Speaker 2: think even Larry King was like that, Like he didn't

687
00:35:34,396 --> 00:35:36,756
Speaker 2: want to do research because I think he wanted it

688
00:35:36,796 --> 00:35:38,836
Speaker 2: to be more of a spur of the moment interview.

689
00:35:38,876 --> 00:35:42,956
Speaker 2: And sometimes that's fine, yeah, yeah, and it can be

690
00:35:43,036 --> 00:35:47,996
Speaker 2: totally fine, but I do think that like the expectation,

691
00:35:48,156 --> 00:35:51,916
Speaker 2: like you were saying for the like short clips that

692
00:35:52,196 --> 00:35:54,916
Speaker 2: you're hoping will kind of like pop off online. Like

693
00:35:55,556 --> 00:35:56,916
Speaker 2: that's really a lot of pressure.

694
00:35:57,756 --> 00:36:00,596
Speaker 4: I mean the thing with the clips on like Seth

695
00:36:00,756 --> 00:36:03,956
Speaker 4: was glorious to do because he's just the warmest, best

696
00:36:03,996 --> 00:36:06,996
Speaker 4: interviewing so you can just have fun with him. But like,

697
00:36:07,156 --> 00:36:10,516
Speaker 4: and I and I think that, you know, I do

698
00:36:10,556 --> 00:36:12,756
Speaker 4: feel lucky that I get to be put in the

699
00:36:12,836 --> 00:36:14,996
Speaker 4: room with people and I get to do these interviews,

700
00:36:14,996 --> 00:36:17,516
Speaker 4: you know, like I'm doing your podcast. You know, for me,

701
00:36:17,596 --> 00:36:19,436
Speaker 4: this is a real honor to do this on this

702
00:36:20,076 --> 00:36:24,556
Speaker 4: on this campaign, So thank you. And I think what's

703
00:36:24,636 --> 00:36:26,396
Speaker 4: changed as well is you used to go out for

704
00:36:26,396 --> 00:36:29,356
Speaker 4: a coffee and you talk, or you go for a

705
00:36:29,356 --> 00:36:32,036
Speaker 4: walk and you do an interview. And I think because

706
00:36:32,396 --> 00:36:36,196
Speaker 4: now from COVID, everything's gone online, so I can work

707
00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:40,236
Speaker 4: till eleven o'clock at night because there's the accessibility to

708
00:36:40,276 --> 00:36:44,116
Speaker 4: be able to do that, and it's okay, Like it's okay, right.

709
00:36:44,636 --> 00:36:46,956
Speaker 2: And the relationship with your mom now that you're working

710
00:36:46,956 --> 00:36:50,756
Speaker 2: with your mom, were you always close growing up? Is

711
00:36:50,756 --> 00:36:54,596
Speaker 2: this a strange development now that you're now so close?

712
00:36:54,916 --> 00:36:57,756
Speaker 4: No, we were always close. Yeah, I think we were

713
00:36:57,796 --> 00:37:02,116
Speaker 4: always quite similar. That was kind of like what everyone said.

714
00:37:02,836 --> 00:37:06,716
Speaker 4: We were very sociable and yeah, people said that we

715
00:37:06,716 --> 00:37:11,796
Speaker 4: were the closest and kind of like character and working

716
00:37:11,836 --> 00:37:16,316
Speaker 4: with her, it's like it is challenging, it's amazing. But

717
00:37:16,436 --> 00:37:18,996
Speaker 4: like today I'm like in charge of the food because

718
00:37:19,036 --> 00:37:21,076
Speaker 4: it just logistically I was in charge of the food,

719
00:37:21,076 --> 00:37:22,276
Speaker 4: and I'm in charge of the food tomorrow and that

720
00:37:22,436 --> 00:37:24,876
Speaker 4: like we we kind of plan who's going to be

721
00:37:25,436 --> 00:37:27,676
Speaker 4: and she comes in and she's like got her she

722
00:37:27,996 --> 00:37:31,436
Speaker 4: she got her curlers and she looks fabulous, and Luca

723
00:37:31,516 --> 00:37:33,076
Speaker 4: are socials person like wants to film.

724
00:37:33,156 --> 00:37:35,796
Speaker 3: She's like, don't you dare film me? And she's like

725
00:37:35,916 --> 00:37:37,916
Speaker 3: one second, I've got to speak to the doctor. And

726
00:37:37,916 --> 00:37:39,996
Speaker 3: then she's like the diva has walked in.

727
00:37:40,076 --> 00:37:44,476
Speaker 4: And I'm like they're trying to finish the audiobook but

728
00:37:44,556 --> 00:37:46,916
Speaker 4: also trying to watch like another episode of Friends, and

729
00:37:46,956 --> 00:37:49,876
Speaker 4: I'm like trying to finish the cookies and stuff, and

730
00:37:49,916 --> 00:37:53,076
Speaker 4: she's she's just being a diva and I'm like, Lenny,

731
00:37:53,116 --> 00:37:54,636
Speaker 4: can you just be polite today?

732
00:37:54,676 --> 00:37:55,476
Speaker 3: That's all I ask?

733
00:37:56,036 --> 00:37:58,156
Speaker 4: And then you check her on it and then she's

734
00:37:58,236 --> 00:38:00,836
Speaker 4: like okay, fine, and then she turns into like being mum.

735
00:38:00,876 --> 00:38:03,236
Speaker 3: She's like, mum, darling, what can I do for you? Darling?

736
00:38:03,276 --> 00:38:03,676
Speaker 3: Can I do?

737
00:38:04,116 --> 00:38:05,476
Speaker 4: And then she wants to be mum. But I think

738
00:38:05,756 --> 00:38:07,676
Speaker 4: I do ask quite a lot of her. You know,

739
00:38:07,836 --> 00:38:11,796
Speaker 4: she's seventy four and she's like required to do you know, sometimes.

740
00:38:11,396 --> 00:38:14,756
Speaker 3: Two podcasts a week. She also works, still does she?

741
00:38:15,276 --> 00:38:15,516
Speaker 4: Yeah?

742
00:38:15,556 --> 00:38:16,836
Speaker 2: And what does she do for work?

743
00:38:16,996 --> 00:38:21,476
Speaker 3: She's a social worker? Oh wow, wow, that's cool.

744
00:38:21,596 --> 00:38:24,356
Speaker 2: No, wonder you do so much shit, Jessie, your mom.

745
00:38:24,396 --> 00:38:25,036
Speaker 3: Look at Lenny.

746
00:38:27,116 --> 00:38:29,076
Speaker 4: My brother is a doctor and my mom's a social worker.

747
00:38:29,116 --> 00:38:30,956
Speaker 4: I'm just a fucking singer.

748
00:38:31,276 --> 00:38:33,476
Speaker 2: Like you know, No, but you do so you take

749
00:38:33,556 --> 00:38:35,196
Speaker 2: on so much or such a go getter. I mean,

750
00:38:35,236 --> 00:38:36,636
Speaker 2: I feel like it runs in the family.

751
00:38:37,076 --> 00:38:37,396
Speaker 3: We do.

752
00:38:37,476 --> 00:38:41,556
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I definitely like to take on shiit but

753
00:38:41,836 --> 00:38:45,636
Speaker 4: like lucky to But yeah, I think sometimes it just

754
00:38:45,676 --> 00:38:47,396
Speaker 4: you know, I have to give my mom some grace

755
00:38:47,476 --> 00:38:49,636
Speaker 4: that like I've made her do this podcast that is

756
00:38:50,156 --> 00:38:53,356
Speaker 4: really I know, she loves it and she loves meeting

757
00:38:53,396 --> 00:38:56,516
Speaker 4: people like her meeting Harlan Coben, she was just like

758
00:38:56,876 --> 00:39:01,196
Speaker 4: the best, and you know she does she loves it.

759
00:39:01,276 --> 00:39:05,556
Speaker 3: But also it isnt it's a job, you know, it's.

760
00:39:05,436 --> 00:39:09,036
Speaker 1: Like, well, last break and we'll be back with Jess.

761
00:39:09,316 --> 00:39:17,396
Speaker 2: Where what is your usually your process with writing and

762
00:39:17,916 --> 00:39:20,956
Speaker 2: with creating these songs, Like is this something that you

763
00:39:21,076 --> 00:39:24,236
Speaker 2: set apart time every day? Do you write when the

764
00:39:24,276 --> 00:39:27,196
Speaker 2: inspiration hits you or do you have to sort of

765
00:39:27,236 --> 00:39:30,516
Speaker 2: like carve out time and leave your house.

766
00:39:30,916 --> 00:39:33,916
Speaker 4: I'm kind of always writing ideas in my phone, which

767
00:39:33,956 --> 00:39:35,076
Speaker 4: is so unromantic.

768
00:39:35,276 --> 00:39:36,796
Speaker 3: I need to like have my notebook with me.

769
00:39:37,836 --> 00:39:40,756
Speaker 4: No, it's so common though, notes that it's like yeah,

770
00:39:40,836 --> 00:39:44,156
Speaker 4: and it's just the media, like and so a lot

771
00:39:44,156 --> 00:39:48,076
Speaker 4: of it comes from like making playlists on my Spotify

772
00:39:48,236 --> 00:39:50,796
Speaker 4: and kind of just being inspired by like soaking up

773
00:39:51,036 --> 00:39:55,836
Speaker 4: music and kind of studying and listening and just trying

774
00:39:55,836 --> 00:39:59,276
Speaker 4: to I think it's really hard. You have to constantly

775
00:39:59,316 --> 00:40:01,516
Speaker 4: remind yourself to listen to music for like enjoyment and

776
00:40:01,556 --> 00:40:04,476
Speaker 4: pleasure rather than like studying and research, you know what

777
00:40:04,516 --> 00:40:06,596
Speaker 4: I mean. But equally, it always kind of happens if

778
00:40:06,596 --> 00:40:09,756
Speaker 4: you're in that frame of mind. But I do have

779
00:40:09,796 --> 00:40:11,356
Speaker 4: to have a bit of space from it. But I'm

780
00:40:11,396 --> 00:40:14,156
Speaker 4: really ready to try and write again. But it's always

781
00:40:14,156 --> 00:40:17,316
Speaker 4: funny that like beginning part where you're writing a record,

782
00:40:17,316 --> 00:40:19,436
Speaker 4: because I always feel a bit sorry sometimes for this

783
00:40:20,156 --> 00:40:22,316
Speaker 4: producers or the writers that you're in with, because you're

784
00:40:22,396 --> 00:40:26,276
Speaker 4: kind of trying to form ideas and maybe you've got

785
00:40:26,316 --> 00:40:28,636
Speaker 4: an idea, but like I mean, naturally, don't you know?

786
00:40:28,676 --> 00:40:30,476
Speaker 4: Who I Am was one of the first songs I wrote,

787
00:40:30,476 --> 00:40:33,676
Speaker 4: and it's stayed on the record. But it's a lot

788
00:40:33,676 --> 00:40:36,356
Speaker 4: of kind of throwing things out and seeing what sticks,

789
00:40:36,436 --> 00:40:39,716
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, But I just I now trust that

790
00:40:39,796 --> 00:40:43,236
Speaker 4: process and it's okay, Like it's fine, you've got to start,

791
00:40:43,276 --> 00:40:45,956
Speaker 4: and you've got to get on the bar starts somewhere exactly,

792
00:40:46,196 --> 00:40:48,356
Speaker 4: and it doesn't have to be perfect the first session.

793
00:40:48,516 --> 00:40:51,476
Speaker 3: And I think that's been something that's really great.

794
00:40:51,956 --> 00:40:55,236
Speaker 2: The producers might enjoy that too, like maybe that's fun

795
00:40:55,236 --> 00:40:58,116
Speaker 2: for them to try and find the parts that are

796
00:40:58,316 --> 00:40:59,916
Speaker 2: you know, resonated or whatever.

797
00:41:00,556 --> 00:41:04,036
Speaker 4: And I think, like you know, on Ride, I took

798
00:41:04,636 --> 00:41:08,236
Speaker 4: the unbared beautiful hold my Hips Watch Move That was

799
00:41:08,236 --> 00:41:10,556
Speaker 4: from a song that I wrote with James and Coffee

800
00:41:10,556 --> 00:41:12,876
Speaker 4: and another session that was not going to go anywhere,

801
00:41:12,916 --> 00:41:16,436
Speaker 4: but that felt so amazing and sexty and I was like,

802
00:41:16,516 --> 00:41:20,356
Speaker 4: I think that would work in this song, and they

803
00:41:20,356 --> 00:41:22,836
Speaker 4: were cool about that. So I think that's also something

804
00:41:22,876 --> 00:41:25,516
Speaker 4: that you can play around with. It's a bit of

805
00:41:25,516 --> 00:41:27,476
Speaker 4: a jigsaw puzzle totally.

806
00:41:28,276 --> 00:41:31,116
Speaker 2: Is there anything that I didn't ask you specifically about

807
00:41:31,116 --> 00:41:33,076
Speaker 2: the album that you want to talk about, or any

808
00:41:33,156 --> 00:41:35,956
Speaker 2: aspect of making the album that you wanted to talk about.

809
00:41:36,636 --> 00:41:37,916
Speaker 3: I think you know.

810
00:41:38,916 --> 00:41:44,836
Speaker 4: The fact that I have allowed the listener into my

811
00:41:45,076 --> 00:41:49,156
Speaker 4: private life a bit more is quite newfound territory for me.

812
00:41:49,596 --> 00:41:53,076
Speaker 4: I'm very protective of my children, and that sounds like

813
00:41:53,116 --> 00:41:55,076
Speaker 4: a contradiction because I've now got them on a song.

814
00:41:55,236 --> 00:41:57,596
Speaker 2: But sixteen Summers.

815
00:41:57,396 --> 00:41:59,756
Speaker 4: Sixteen Summers, my little son is at the beginning of that,

816
00:41:59,836 --> 00:42:01,756
Speaker 4: and then there's a song called love You for where

817
00:42:01,756 --> 00:42:04,116
Speaker 4: they all got a little moment on the beginning, and

818
00:42:04,156 --> 00:42:06,116
Speaker 4: for me, that was really quite a selfish thing that

819
00:42:06,156 --> 00:42:07,796
Speaker 4: I was like, I want us to listen to that

820
00:42:07,956 --> 00:42:10,156
Speaker 4: in twenty years and be like, do you remember you a.

821
00:42:10,116 --> 00:42:12,596
Speaker 3: Little hyghe bitch sweet voices before they rocked?

822
00:42:12,676 --> 00:42:15,996
Speaker 4: And you know, for me, it's about these memories and

823
00:42:16,036 --> 00:42:21,276
Speaker 4: trying to celebrate the fact that I try my hardest

824
00:42:21,316 --> 00:42:23,276
Speaker 4: to try and do my best in doing it all,

825
00:42:23,316 --> 00:42:25,756
Speaker 4: and that is a hard thing and I definitely am

826
00:42:25,756 --> 00:42:27,716
Speaker 4: not getting it right all the time. But for them

827
00:42:27,756 --> 00:42:29,196
Speaker 4: to be able to be in my world and come

828
00:42:29,236 --> 00:42:31,516
Speaker 4: to the office for the day. So that was something

829
00:42:31,516 --> 00:42:34,516
Speaker 4: that was really sweet and special. But also I was like,

830
00:42:34,716 --> 00:42:37,916
Speaker 4: I think I'm more confident as an artist to be

831
00:42:37,956 --> 00:42:40,716
Speaker 4: able to make that choice. But really it was just

832
00:42:40,756 --> 00:42:42,436
Speaker 4: so that I think I've been listening to a lot

833
00:42:42,476 --> 00:42:44,876
Speaker 4: of Minnie Riperton as well and Stevie, so I was like,

834
00:42:44,996 --> 00:42:47,236
Speaker 4: you know, you know how she sings about Maya on

835
00:42:47,356 --> 00:42:50,716
Speaker 4: loving you at the end, and then like, you know,

836
00:42:50,956 --> 00:42:53,836
Speaker 4: Stevie having like the kids splashing in the bath and

837
00:42:53,916 --> 00:42:56,916
Speaker 4: like and it isn't she lovely? And I think it's

838
00:42:56,956 --> 00:43:00,036
Speaker 4: his daughter splashing in the bath and like yeah, yeah.

839
00:42:59,836 --> 00:43:01,996
Speaker 3: I'm like I wanted to present.

840
00:43:03,596 --> 00:43:07,076
Speaker 4: A tiny part of my beautiful family that I'm so

841
00:43:07,196 --> 00:43:09,756
Speaker 4: lucky to have and that they can't they don't have

842
00:43:09,876 --> 00:43:14,076
Speaker 4: to be exclusive, like they can be together and it

843
00:43:14,116 --> 00:43:16,476
Speaker 4: can be a beautiful thing. Whilst before I was so

844
00:43:16,556 --> 00:43:19,236
Speaker 4: scared of that, you know, And so that was something

845
00:43:19,236 --> 00:43:20,756
Speaker 4: that I wanted to kind of celebrate.

846
00:43:21,076 --> 00:43:22,556
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you because I know that you

847
00:43:22,756 --> 00:43:26,956
Speaker 2: ask people on tablemailers if they were going away to

848
00:43:26,996 --> 00:43:30,316
Speaker 2: the to the desert island, what's your last meal? If

849
00:43:30,716 --> 00:43:34,356
Speaker 2: you were going away to a desert island, what albums

850
00:43:34,596 --> 00:43:36,516
Speaker 2: would you bring with you to listen to? You to

851
00:43:36,596 --> 00:43:39,156
Speaker 2: listen to and desert island.

852
00:43:38,836 --> 00:43:42,836
Speaker 4: Discs, Okay, I'd bring probably like Shah Day, Diamond Life.

853
00:43:44,076 --> 00:43:45,036
Speaker 3: I'd bring.

854
00:43:46,556 --> 00:43:48,996
Speaker 4: Like, I'd bring one of those really NAF, like not

855
00:43:49,036 --> 00:43:51,596
Speaker 4: even greatest hits of it's not NAF. I used to

856
00:43:51,636 --> 00:43:56,436
Speaker 4: have this Stevie Wonder CD. It was the same day

857
00:43:56,476 --> 00:44:00,596
Speaker 4: that I bought Deangela's Brown Sugar that I would also take,

858
00:44:02,436 --> 00:44:07,116
Speaker 4: and it was like it went from little Stevie Wonder

859
00:44:07,156 --> 00:44:10,076
Speaker 4: like when he was like playing to kind of all

860
00:44:10,116 --> 00:44:12,476
Speaker 4: his stuff. But I definitely it wasn't full albums. It

861
00:44:12,516 --> 00:44:16,636
Speaker 4: was like a really good massive CD. It was like

862
00:44:16,796 --> 00:44:20,076
Speaker 4: kind of six CDs or something like that, and I

863
00:44:20,676 --> 00:44:23,236
Speaker 4: loved it, and I think because I was it was

864
00:44:23,276 --> 00:44:25,676
Speaker 4: great And definitely, of course you go songs in the

865
00:44:25,716 --> 00:44:27,196
Speaker 4: care of Life and I get that, but like it

866
00:44:27,316 --> 00:44:28,996
Speaker 4: just had everything kind of on it and it was

867
00:44:28,996 --> 00:44:33,316
Speaker 4: fab So I'd do something like that really crudely, I'd

868
00:44:33,356 --> 00:44:36,836
Speaker 4: probably bring a Dusty Springfield record. I'm just trying to

869
00:44:36,876 --> 00:44:42,516
Speaker 4: think which one I would bring. This tape that my

870
00:44:42,636 --> 00:44:48,556
Speaker 4: mum had that was Ella Fitzgerald singing Cole Porter and

871
00:44:48,676 --> 00:44:52,076
Speaker 4: she also had one that she was singing Gershwin songs.

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Speaker 4: So I'd have like some show old jazz standards. I'm

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Speaker 4: all the great I'd want a two hour disco mix. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I think that's how i'd want it. I probably want

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Speaker 4: the boody good soundtrack Whitney. Need some Whitney though, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is there anything else I didn't ask you about

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Speaker 3: But thank you so much. It's been really nice to

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Speaker 2: Here, so nice. Thank you so much. And yeah, congrats

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Speaker 2: on everything.

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Speaker 3: The album is incredible, such a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you all right, have a really good day. Bye,

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Speaker 2: see you later.

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Speaker 3: Thanks guys.

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Speaker 4: Bye.

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