1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Met, my 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: name is Noah. 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: They called me Bed. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 3: superproducer Alexis Cod named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: are you, You are here. That makes this the stuff 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. Listener Mail segment on 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: the road. And we have so many great pieces of correspondence. 12 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: I know, I know, we all say this pretty often 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: and it's always true. But this week there's an extraordinary abundance, 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 3: an embarrassment of riches. We're going to hear from quite 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 3: a few of our fellow conspiracy realists. We're gonna touch 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: on a lot of a lot of weird stuff. Well, 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 3: we don't even need to give you the rundown because 18 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: this is eclectic and somewhat esoteric without further ado, let's 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 3: not stand on ceremony. Let's get right to it. How 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 3: many bugs did you eat today? 21 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 4: Folks? 22 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 5: Unclear? I have accidentally inhaled a bug before I'm sitting 23 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 5: on my porch on a lovely October's Eve, and that's 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 5: not fun. But you know, you always hear statistics, right, 25 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 5: It's like every human being naturally consumes x thousands of 26 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 5: bugs a year or whatever, or maybe I made. 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 4: That statistic up. Surely it exists. 28 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 5: Surely someone has measured the likelihood of organic bug consumption. 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 5: I don't mean organic like the fancy ki That is mean, 30 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 5: you know, in normal, under normal circumstances. But we got 31 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 5: an email from Brad. I don't know that Brad's concerned, 32 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 5: but acknowledge that Twitter is concerned and Reddit is concerned. 33 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 5: Some people, perhaps you might label them as alarmists, are 34 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 5: concerned that they're gonna be feeding us bugs. You guys, 35 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 5: what we think is the sweet sweet meats of the 36 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 5: chicken or the beef cow or whatever is actually creepy 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 5: crawley bugs. Because try as they might, big bug has 38 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 5: not taken off in the United States in terms of 39 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 5: like a functional protein substitute. 40 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 4: We know that in Latin. 41 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 5: America there are you know, crickets or a very common topping, 42 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 5: you know, on tacos and ants and stuff. I went 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 5: to a restaurant in New York year or so ago 44 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 5: called I think the black ants, and they have some 45 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 5: you know, insect proteins on their menu. What we do 46 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 5: know is that it is a pretty viable source of 47 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 5: protein if you can get past the sticker shock, I 48 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 5: guess the ick factor of it. 49 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and once people the bugs. They've been saying that 50 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 3: for well into a decade now, understandably so. 51 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 5: Because it does create a much better for the planet substitutes, 52 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 5: you know, than meat. We know that you know, farming, cattle, farming, 53 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 5: and all of the emissions that it causes from cowfarts 54 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 5: and all of that stuff. And also there's massive amounts 55 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 5: of resources that it takes to you know, to grow 56 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 5: or to raise what could be considered a luxury item 57 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 5: if you really wanted to break it down to brass tax. 58 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 5: You know, we could probably survive on protein pills like 59 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 5: they said we would in the future. But we love 60 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 5: the taste of cows. We love the taste of chickens. 61 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 5: So you know, we could argue that there might be 62 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 5: a future where our planet is in such poor shape 63 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 5: that those things are no longer viable for the planet. 64 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 5: But knowing us at least here in America, will push 65 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 5: it off to the last possible second. And we know 66 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 5: we need our legacy industries, great American companies, you know, 67 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 5: great assault of the earth farmers, although we know that 68 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 5: that's largely a myth too, because the ones who are 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 5: truly making money off of this kind of thing are 70 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 5: the Tyson Foods of the world, you know, or like 71 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 5: the much larger corporate interest that maybe at one point 72 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 5: started off as a little family, mom and pop type chickenry, 73 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 5: but not no longer. And I'm just gonna get right 74 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 5: into the email from Brad. Hey, guys, I was on 75 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 5: x in Quotes Today with Jella today and noticed a 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 5: bunch of activity around Tyson Foods. Recently, they announced a 77 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 5: partnership with the company Protis to develop insect based protein 78 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 5: for pet and agricultural feed. There has since been a 79 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 5: ton of folks online advocating that they quote will never 80 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 5: eat bugs and we should boycott Tyson products, even though 81 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 5: the protein is not currently planned for human consumption. I 82 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 5: know there are wider conspiracies around the deep state, globalists 83 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 5: and the World Economic Forum forcing everyone to eat bugs, 84 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 5: so thought this might be a topic you'd want to 85 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 5: dive into further. Some people have tied in COVID, Big Pharma, 86 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 5: Bill Gates, and World War or three as well, world 87 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 5: War three being the one that hasn't happened or arguably 88 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 5: is happening right now, and we just don't call it 89 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 5: that yet because that's usually how these things go, especially 90 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 5: when world wars are concerned. I've attached an article from 91 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 5: Tyson like a press release situation, and some screenshots of 92 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 5: tweets that I've seen on the topic. Thanks Brad, and 93 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 5: I'll just read a few things. Bama Jean's on Twitter says, well, now, 94 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 5: thanks to COVID, we know we can't trust the FDA anyway. 95 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 5: Anyone else noticed how bread doesn't mold anymore? Haven't bought 96 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 5: Tyson chicken in years anyway because of the hormones. Makes 97 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 5: me wonder if food has produced all the beta males 98 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:40,119 Speaker 5: and obese population. Linda Britton Fairchild or on Twitter says, 99 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 5: here we go, or retweets a post from somebody else, 100 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 5: Here we go. Tyson Foods is now adding bugs to 101 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 5: their foods, and then another from Curls Green Eyes. They 102 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 5: are getting ready to feed you zee bugs brought to 103 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 5: you by Tyson Foods. Last one Paul M. Davis, You 104 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 5: will eat ze bugs, and then Klaus Schwab. Boys, I 105 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 5: don't know schwab is, but I presumably a Nazi of 106 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 5: some stripe. Tyson Foods builds first insect protein food factory 107 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 5: Watch WW three will cause food prices to soar out 108 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 5: of control and the middle class will be forced to 109 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 5: literally eat bugs because it's all we can't afford. 110 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: Klaus Schwab is the chairperson of the w EF the 111 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: world my bad. 112 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 5: Not a Nazi at all. I just decided, well they 113 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 5: were doing the Nazi. 114 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 4: We show us as your papers. You know it's a 115 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 4: Germans plaice or whatever. 116 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 5: So apologies to mister Schwab. 117 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 4: Not a Nazi, just a German. 118 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 5: The implication, though I believe in the tweet was there 119 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 5: was some you know, parallel whatever. Anyway, again, these tweets, 120 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 5: to me, I don't know about you guys, seem a 121 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 5: little alarmist, pushing this whole thing to the nth degree 122 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 5: because Tyson in their release said they're they're they're testing 123 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 5: it out. They bought a majority shareholder Steak in this 124 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 5: protext company, and they're using it for pet food. And 125 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 5: also we know agricultural feed is already made out of 126 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 5: all kinds of crazy stuff. Some times they even feed 127 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 5: waste to these animals, other animal waste or ground up 128 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 5: eggshells and things like that. So it's sort of a hierarchy. 129 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 5: But the assumption immediately from some folks goes to they're 130 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 5: feeding us bugs, sort of like they're taking our jobs. 131 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 4: Oh sorry, Matt, were you saying. 132 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's the point. It smells of the same 133 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: thing that we see every day now where it's you 134 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: read the headline and you make assumptions about what that 135 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: means rather than actually gaining any context before putting your 136 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: opinion into the old gauntlet there. 137 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 5: And you know, protechs to the company started in two 138 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 5: thousand and nine. This is from their website. 139 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 4: Our journey. 140 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 5: We've been dedicated to bringing the food system back into 141 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 5: balance with nature. We will not rest until we have 142 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 5: achieved this mission. Having perfected our low footprint ingredients and 143 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 5: the technological and commercial models, we're now expanding internationally. This 144 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 5: allows us to bring healthy and sustainable and nutrition on 145 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 5: a much larger scale, creating a better world already today, guys, 146 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 5: I would posit or pose the question, how is this 147 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 5: that different from like, you know, impossible meat or like 148 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 5: lab grown chicken or whatever. It's just another thing that 149 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 5: you can like, you know, like tofu you can or 150 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 5: like sitan or other you know, vegetarian or vegan quote 151 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 5: unquote meat substitute options. They're just proteins and you just 152 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 5: dress them up however you want. You know, So I 153 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 5: would argue that if you gave me a Burger patty 154 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 5: made out of crickets and it tasted good and had 155 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 5: nutritional value, like, where's the harm in that? I don't 156 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 5: think that any company would secretly replace our Folger's crystals 157 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 5: with crickets. It would be illegal. 158 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 3: To do, so, I gotta be honest, I got a 159 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: cricket in the game on this one. Out of us. 160 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 3: I probably I'm not to make assumptions, but I probably 161 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: am the person who's eaten the most insects, just in 162 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: various situations. And the the interesting thing here to me 163 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: and Brad your email really stood out to me as well, 164 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: is first, yes, there has been a push from various 165 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 3: international organizations to promote the consumption of insects. Many countries 166 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: many parts of the world have been doing this for 167 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 3: since antiquity, right, and you can to your point about 168 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 3: the restaurant in New York. You can find some of 169 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: this in the States and other quote unquote developed parts 170 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: of the world, and it's tasty stuff. You know, you 171 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 3: can fry pretty much anything is the secret. But there's 172 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: something that I don't know. I don't know whether they're 173 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 3: considering this fully to your point, Matt about going past 174 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: the headline. This may be this is an answer. I 175 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: think it's a correct answer. It may be a little 176 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 3: bit too late of an answer, because as you see, 177 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: like for the past what the past five years more, 178 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 3: scientists have been incredibly alarmed about plummeting insect numbers. So 179 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: when the world finally like main streams that is a 180 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: source of food, they might have a tough time finding 181 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 3: all the insects that once were so abundant, Which leads 182 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: us to, you know, which insects are going to become 183 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: the livestock, right, because the only non human animals doing 184 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: well now are chickens, goats, cattle, right, lamb, and they 185 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: all have one thing in common. They became an easily 186 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: attainable food source for humans. So that's what I'm thinking of. 187 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: What are like the four to five types of insects 188 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: that are going to be going to be the munchibles. 189 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 5: Well, my big one, the big one that the company 190 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 5: is talking about is the black Soldier fly, and again 191 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 5: into the ick factor element because they quote, according to 192 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 5: the CEO of Protis Keys Arts, the black soldier fly 193 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 5: can grow on almost every type of food waste and 194 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 5: byproduct you can imagine, So the waste management is also 195 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 5: part of their whole deal. Matt, you're going to jump 196 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 5: in with something on that your eyes lighting that. 197 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 198 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: The reason why it's going to work in is what 199 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 2: you said, because it's all farming, right, It's it's not Uh, 200 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 2: they're not going out looking for insects. They've got their insects. 201 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: And one of the things that this company sells are 202 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: black soldier fly eggs in bulk, right, so that basically 203 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: they're producing so many that they're now outputting the eggs 204 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: so that other people can begin growing their own black 205 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: soldier flies for other uses. 206 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: Right, But what mean for biodiversity? 207 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 4: Oh, because it's not gonna be good. 208 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 5: I could see this leading to a biblical plague of 209 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 5: locusts kind of situation under the rock soldier stand right, 210 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 5: I could I could see that if they got out 211 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 5: of hand. But again, Tyson is investing in this, and 212 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 5: it's kind of funny. It's sort of the way you know, 213 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 5: maybe older media companies started investing in podcasts, you know, 214 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 5: or whatever, like something like we gotta catch we got 215 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 5: to catch the wave of the future. We got a 216 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 5: future proof our company. And while no one suggesting that 217 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 5: we make tyson fly patties and sell those who knows 218 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 5: things could take a turn, and then they're already kind 219 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 5: of in the game, you know, in terms of what 220 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 5: could happen with our our our planet and the ability 221 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 5: to sustain you. 222 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 4: Know, meat production and consumption. 223 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: But it's weird because, okay, so you are what you eat, right, 224 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 2: The nutrients you take in become your cells, which then 225 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: become you. Right, and if that that is just a 226 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: truth of two guys, and they are. One of the 227 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: plans of this company is to get chickens to feed 228 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: on live larva rather than on things like soy, to 229 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: feed the chickens, so then the chickens are now live 230 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: larva chickens live larva eggs that you buy at the store. Right, 231 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: that's what fed them to make them. So in a 232 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: weird way, some of those tweets are right, but not 233 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: in not in the. 234 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 5: There's always a negative truth in these alarmist over the reactions, 235 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 5: and that's where they usually start. These aren't stupid people, 236 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 5: I don't think, you know, I mean in general, I 237 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 5: would say people mean well most of the time, maybe. 238 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 4: Not, who knows. 239 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 5: But my point is they're latching onto something that feels 240 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 5: like it could be the thing, even if it's not 241 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 5: currently the thing. And again, to your point, Ben, it 242 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 5: would be absolutely illegal for these companies to secretly feed 243 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 5: us this stuff, so they would have to have an 244 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 5: alternative like impossible burger or like you know whatever that 245 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 5: they would then market as such. There is a pet 246 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 5: food company that already markets itself as an insect protein 247 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 5: based food for your pets called Lovebug, So they're like 248 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 5: leaning into it. It's not like a secret or like 249 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 5: used as filler. It's like it's the whole deal. And 250 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 5: then people are gonna buy that because of the impact 251 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 5: on the environment. And I mentioned the hierarchy earlier, it's like, 252 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 5: of course we're gonna start this off on our pets, 253 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 5: right because only the most you know, absolutely over the 254 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 5: top pet PARENTO be like I'm not feeding my fluffy 255 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 5: any larvae or flies or bugs, that's gross. Fluffy eats 256 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 5: only what I eat because she is my baby, my 257 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 5: sweet sweet fur baby. So it's easier to swallow on 258 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 5: a lower you know, rung of the evolutionary ladder. 259 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 4: I guess same with bugs. 260 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 5: For some reason, there's no outcry against eating bugs, even 261 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 5: from the most you know, environmental of folks who maybe 262 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 5: animal writes type folks. It's much easier sell than chickens 263 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 5: and cows and sweet sweet bunnies. 264 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 4: Sweet sweet bunnies. 265 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: But at the same time, it is in a weird 266 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: place between you know, carnivorous diets and like vegan diets 267 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: or something, because it is right, it's just a weird 268 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: place because you can put yourself in the mind of 269 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: a fly, right and if there's like think about how 270 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: many flies you need to make the same amount of 271 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: protein match cial that you would, you know, use chickens 272 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: to make. 273 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 5: Right billions, right, like insane amount. I'm sure like on 274 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 5: scale at scale right. 275 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 6: Yeah. 276 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: One of the things the company sells is a thing 277 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: called lipid X, which is forty three percent loric acid, 278 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: which is it's fats that are produced from black soldier flies. 279 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: Think about how many flies you need to make just 280 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: a vial of that stuff. 281 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: Additionally, too, there's this so the question of social mores right, 282 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: expectations and taboo. Some countries, communities, cultures will consider things, 283 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: you know, totally fine to eat or totally forbidden. And 284 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: there's not really a scientific reason for a lot of it, right. 285 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: Some of it is due to past ages when refrigeration 286 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: and sanitation technology was non existent or nowhere near as good. 287 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 3: But I would advance to you folks if you're saying 288 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 3: bugs are gross and you eat, can remember chickens love 289 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: eating insects. All you're doing is eating insects with a middleman, 290 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: you know. So it's it's. 291 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 5: Really really good point something to think about it, indeed, 292 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 5: and I think probably a story will follow and potentially 293 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 5: maybe talk a little bit more about sustainable food source 294 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 5: I can't remember. We certainly have in the past, but 295 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 5: maybe something a little more on the along the lines 296 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 5: of like, you know, the future of it or whatever. 297 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 4: I mean. 298 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 5: Again, I know we've probably done that, but it might 299 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 5: be time for an update. Thank you, Brad for the 300 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 5: illuminating email and screenshots, and we're going to take a 301 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 5: quick break here a word from our sponsor, and come 302 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 5: back with more messages from you. 303 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: And we've returned that company. Guys also makes fly to lizer, 304 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: which is fertilizer made out of flies, which feels like 305 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: something that humanity genuinely could use. I don't know, sounds 306 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: interesting to me. All right, let's jump to the phone lines. 307 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: We are going to hear from no One in particular 308 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: who was a constant caller. 309 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 5: If you promised us a person, Matt, you promised us. 310 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: There, shout out, please shout out no One in particular. 311 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: Here we go. This is what you had to say. 312 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 6: Hello, this is no One in particular, and you are 313 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 6: welcome to use this as usual. I was just listening 314 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 6: to an episode from the archive about can cannabis cure cancer? 315 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 6: And well, something Noel said brought up the memory. But 316 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 6: to initially answer that science may be inconclusive, but I'm 317 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 6: going to say that the science has to say yes, 318 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 6: because placebos can cure cancer. I mean, every medication in 319 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 6: the world goes up but basically against medicinalized face healing 320 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 6: to see if it's better than that before it's an 321 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 6: approved drug. Now to what Nole said, because it cracked 322 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 6: me up about how Dare came in and they brought 323 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 6: a briefcase full of drugs. Well, when I got home 324 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 6: the day that they did that at my school, my 325 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 6: dad's best friend was a coke dealer. My uncle was 326 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 6: a heroin dealer. Another uncle was a math dealer. And 327 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 6: when they heard about that, they instantly said, Oh, I 328 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 6: bet they were watching the kids for who recognized so 329 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 6: they'd know where to look later. Anyway, you guys, have 330 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 6: a great show. 331 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 7: Bye. 332 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: Well, no one in particular. Those are two very interesting points, 333 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 2: just to rehash really quickly, guys. I think the point 334 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: is maybe marijuana does cure cancer because it's going against 335 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: a placebo like all other drugs, and it may, at 336 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: least in some of these trials it does seem to 337 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 2: do better. Lots more recent w you needed on that front. 338 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: But the thing that was really interesting to me is 339 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: something I'd never thought about with those DARE presentations back 340 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,719 Speaker 2: in the day. Could they have been surveilling the kids, 341 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: like for real, surveilling the kids to see if there's 342 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: anyone in their immediate friends or family group that has 343 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 2: these drugs that they're just showing them for ostensibly the 344 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: first time. 345 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point. No one in particular, perhaps 346 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: perhaps to the folks who who pitch that to you, 347 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 3: because I imagine it's very smart, and I imagine it was 348 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 3: not official policy, but in certain neighborhoods or municipalities, I 349 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 3: could totally see el Eos using that, using that procedure. 350 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 3: And you know, I say that as a proud winner 351 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 3: of several Dare Award essays. But I do also, for 352 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: the record, think they gave everybody an award at some point. 353 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 3: It just makes sense. I mean those also, weren't those 354 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: the kind of science project looking trifold cases? Weren't those 355 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: filled with replica drugs rather than actual you know, crack 356 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: cocaine or LSD, et cetera. 357 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 2: I certainly hope. 358 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 8: So I was looking at it, like, yeah, it's like 359 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 8: those like the food fake food the youse see a 360 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 8: Chinese restaurants sometimes, you know, it's kind of like that, 361 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 8: but like for cracking LSD. 362 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: Well, I was looking at them again just to actually 363 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: see like the ones that we probably saw growing up. 364 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 2: And I mean there's actual paraphernalia in there for sure, right, 365 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: like a broken spoon with some cotton in it, a 366 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 2: match book that's like half emptied, so that a couple 367 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: of roaches or whatever, could fit in there. It looks 368 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: like a fake poppy for sure. I don't know about 369 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 2: the rest anyway, just an interesting thought. I can't remember 370 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 2: if there were two officers, there were two? Dare people 371 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: there like during a presentation? Or if it was just one. 372 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 3: It's usually three. McGruff is a cop in a costume? 373 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: Well but I mean, but even if there are two, right, 374 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: like one person giving the presentation, the other one watching 375 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: your eyes. You know what I'm saying. 376 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe not, Maybe it's nothing. 377 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's jump to our next caller, and 378 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 2: this one comes from Abyssle. 379 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 7: Hey, guys, the world sucks. So here's what's my interesting call. 380 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 7: You guys are aware of the abistle zone, right, it's 381 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 7: the portion of the ocean that's so dark that light 382 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 7: can't even penetrate that deep into the ocean. Well, that 383 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 7: is eighty three percent of the ocean no light, completely dark. 384 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 7: That eighty percent of the ocean accounts for sixty percent 385 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 7: of the planet's surface completely dark. Can't even get light there. 386 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 7: I don't know if you are aware. But the square 387 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 7: cube law, which is essentially the law that prevents animals 388 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 7: from growing infinitely large before they collapse under their own weight. 389 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 7: The square cube law does not apply under water. Interesting. 390 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 7: I just wanted to give you a little bit of 391 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 7: brightening information. I guess feel free to do it. That's 392 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 7: what you will. I'll remain anonymous. Thanks. 393 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I'm glad you chose this one, Matt. It 394 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 3: is It is interesting. Now people will argue with a 395 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: lot of validity that wild square cube does not apply 396 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 3: to the maritime creatures. Simply, the tremendous per inch square 397 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 3: pounds of pressure per square inch in the Abysto plane 398 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 3: and the lastack of nutrients severely impedes growth past a 399 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 3: certain threshold. But also scientists don't know a ton about 400 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 3: what's down there. 401 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 2: That's just true, Yeah, very much so. That just the 402 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 2: square cube law, guys. Just I'm sure y'all are aware 403 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 2: of it, but I wasn't aware of it as much. 404 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: Looking through MIT describes it really well. If you think 405 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: about an ant, that ant has teeny tiny little legs, 406 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: and it doesn't it barely weighs anything. So those legs 407 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: have no problem supporting the weight of that ant, and 408 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: yet it can still lift like fifty times its weight 409 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: with those tiny little legs. But if you increase the 410 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: size of that ant at exact proportions, right, you don't 411 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: have to make it much larger before those legs can 412 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: no longer hold its weight because the volume. As the 413 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: area increases, the volume actually increases by a cube I think, 414 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 2: or a cube, the area only increases by basically a square. 415 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? So like area times itself versus 416 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: area times itself times itself when it comes to the 417 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: volume of a thing, a structure or anything. So the 418 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: concept here that Abisle is pointing to is that since 419 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: you don't have legs and you're just swimming through a medium, 420 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: you can get pretty dang big. But then your point 421 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: is absolutely right that the pressures, surrounding pressures and lack 422 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: of nutrients do also put a hamper on that. But 423 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 2: there are giant things that we've discovered in the past 424 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: that we've talked about that are swimming around the oceans. 425 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 2: It's just whether or not they're hanging out in that 426 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 2: abyssal zone. 427 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 5: Got it. 428 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 7: Yeah? 429 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 5: When I hear Abisole, I always think of the movie Mandy, 430 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 5: where like they're these like evil cultists. They were like 431 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 5: they're always talking about the abyssle plane, you know, which 432 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 5: is like some sort of infernal region where like demonic 433 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 5: creatures come from. And that's of those things in the 434 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 5: ocean look like, man, those ones with the lamps on 435 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 5: their heads and the big creepy like headlight look yeah. 436 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 3: And people may also be thinking of the Abyss. We 437 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: do know, of course, that sea monsters, for lack of 438 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 3: a better term, are the stuff of legend. There are 439 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 3: quite likely many undiscovered creatures out there in the deep, 440 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: and we as a civilization are far more likely to 441 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 3: find them now than at any other point. But there's 442 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 3: a real there's a real window of time for that, 443 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 3: isn't there? Like, I don't know, there's a big question 444 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 3: about how much and how thoroughly humanity should explore the 445 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 3: abyssal plane. I think it's going to become more important. 446 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 3: I think it's worthwhile science. What do you guys think? 447 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 448 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it's certainly an undiscovered there. Seems like 449 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 5: if there was going to be a place to discover 450 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 5: new things that would be there. 451 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, what are we going to do down there? 452 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 5: That's a good question too, you know, and find out. 453 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: But really, unless we're going down to drill more offshore 454 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 2: oil stuff or lay some pipe, you know, I don't 455 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: know what. I don't know what humanity is going to 456 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: do down there, Like as you said it, those tremendous 457 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 2: pressures and just the extremes that it would take to 458 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 2: get a human being down there to. 459 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 4: Do some stuff. 460 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, necessity being the mother of invention, it may be 461 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: a situation wherein humanity does have to live beneath water 462 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 3: because it's such an effective shield against radiation. Right, screw 463 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: up the surface world and then have civilization incentivized to 464 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 3: address some of those problems and build underwater habitats. But 465 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: they probably still even then, and an excellent job on 466 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 3: the percentages there, excellent job on the statistics man. Even then, abyssle, 467 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: there will not be there will not be a great 468 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 3: incentive to go too deep just because it's inconvenient. What 469 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: humanity would do in that situation is fine, the minimum 470 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 3: amount of depth needed to exist safely, and then they 471 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 3: would start building there. 472 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, because ABIs will zone sixty six hundred feet down 473 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 2: to twenty thousand feet beneath the service of the ocean. 474 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: So that's like, yeah, that's nice and deep. I bet 475 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 2: we could have our sea lab somewhere. Our Sea Lab 476 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: twenty twenty or whatever was so hey, thanks so much 477 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: for calling in with that interesting observation there. Thank you 478 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 2: so much as well too, no one in particular. We'll 479 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: be right back with more messages from you. 480 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 3: And we have returned with the third act of this 481 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: week's listener mail segment. Our first story is a true 482 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 3: crime story. May this this contains some disturbing stuff. As 483 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 3: a result, it may not be suitable for all listeners, 484 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,239 Speaker 3: but we're going to do a quick cavalcade of this 485 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 3: and we're going to end with some nice letters from home. 486 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 3: So here is our first piece from Beeswax, not yours Beeswax. 487 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: As gentlemen, in case you haven't heard, there is a 488 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 3: fugitive who escaped custody in East Tennessee this week. His 489 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 3: story is full of negligence and incompetence on the part 490 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: of law enforcement or possibly a full blown conspiracy. It 491 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 3: began many years ago when he was a prominent businessman 492 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 3: in Johnson City and allegedly began drugging and will say 493 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 3: sexually assaulting women, including miners. Complaints to the Johnson City 494 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 3: Police Department went uninvestigated, leading to the termination of an 495 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 3: officer for attempting to investigate him. Leading to a federal 496 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: lawsuit against the police department itself. When this person became 497 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 3: a federal prosecutor. After the fed's investigation lawsuit, the police 498 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 3: chief resigned. Real charges were brought, but this suspect was 499 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: already on the run. You finally got located in North Carolina, 500 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: he got arrested, and this week he escaped the custody 501 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: of some Kentucky Sheriff's deputies who are transporting him on 502 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: behalf of the US Marshals listen to this part. Apparently 503 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: he removed his restraints and kicked out a van window 504 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 3: somehow without alerting the officers transporting him. And bees Wax 505 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 3: or not Yours Beeswax says, that's my best understanding of 506 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 3: the circumstances. Provide some local articles about the situation and 507 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: wants to see whether we can shed some additional light 508 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: on the story, ending with thanks for everything you do. 509 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 3: As you guys know, I love when we get email 510 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: in this situation, because it wrote back to not yours 511 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 3: bees Wax and got to say this story is incredibly disturbing. 512 00:29:52,760 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 3: The suspect's name is Sean Williams, and in so many episodes, 513 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 3: in so many strange news or listener mail segments. We 514 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: have talked at length about the prevalence of corruption in 515 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 3: some small towns, and while Johnson City is not necessarily 516 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 3: a small town, it's part of the Tri Cities area 517 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 3: there in northeast Tennessee. Reading through the articles that you sent, Beeswax, 518 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 3: it does very much look like someone in law enforcement 519 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 3: was aiding and abetting this guy's criminal career for quite 520 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 3: some time. I mean, have you guys got in a 521 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 3: chance to read some of the stuff that beeswax and in. 522 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: Hearing of it, yeah, looking at it now as well, 523 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: why does it seem like somebody was helping him? 524 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 3: Because he seems to have been a bit of a 525 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 3: big wheel in the local drug game. He also was 526 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 3: seems to have been somehow protected. That is, that is 527 00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 3: my estimation, because there was retaliation against what one person, 528 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: in particular, Mikayla Evans, who attempted to bring charges against 529 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 3: this guy for sexual assaults, for transportation and sale of narcotics. 530 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 3: As soon as she started looking into this guy, she 531 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 3: became certain that he was under the protection of at 532 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 3: least some faction. 533 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 4: Of law enforcement. 534 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 3: And so Mikayla Evans is the person who starts interviewing 535 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 3: women who alleged that Williams has sexually assaulted them. This 536 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 3: is for the record, outside of the scope of her 537 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 3: normal duties, and she repeatedly asked different detectives, different members 538 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 3: of law enforcement to investigate Williams. She was saying, why 539 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 3: are you not pulling the trigger on this? Why are 540 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 3: you're not looking into it? And unfortunately it seems like 541 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 3: they buried the entire case. The problem with that too, 542 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 3: is that corruption aside that calls the escape story into 543 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 3: question too, Like if this guy had juice, how far 544 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 3: did his juice go? 545 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: You know, mm hmm man for doing some pretty horrible things, 546 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: Like it's hard to imagine that he's protected unless it 547 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: is that drug connection. Right, somehow there's a profit motive 548 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: that's moving through law enforcement because there are some horrific 549 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: things he's being charged with. 550 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he is his whole name, Sean Christopher Williams. 551 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 3: He's fifty one years old. Just to be clear, folks, 552 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 3: people don't usually escape from prison transport vans. They're kind 553 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 3: of locked up. They're not your average Honda Odyssey, and 554 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,239 Speaker 3: he's he So it's weird because then that would mean 555 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 3: there's interstate corruption right, or maybe he had enough money 556 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 3: that he was able as a free agent to payoff 557 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 3: people to look the other way while he escaped. He 558 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 3: has been he is known. Apparently, he's a known entity 559 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 3: and bad guy in this area. 560 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 5: I have some. 561 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 3: Relations and acquaintances in the Tri Cities area. When I 562 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 3: asked some folks about it, they said, yeah, everybody liked 563 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 3: some folks who had been kind of in the formerly 564 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 3: in the drug scene. They had told me. People knew 565 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 3: about this guy for quite some time. And you know 566 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 3: how it is in the underground, like those things that 567 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 3: police end up investigating, especially with characters like this, they're 568 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 3: often well known by people of the scene beforehand. Would 569 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 3: you say that's fair? I don't want to overgeneralize. 570 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 5: That seems like a fair assessment to me. 571 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 3: So we're going to move on. We mainly want to 572 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 3: put the word out here because this guy has yet 573 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 3: to be apprehended. He went to ground, he's on the run. 574 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: The US Marshal Service is offering five thousand dollars in reward. 575 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 3: The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, the TBI is offering twenty 576 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 3: five hundred dollars. Now, in a recent conversation, we had 577 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 3: an interview segment with the creator of ear Witness, Beth Shelburne, 578 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 3: and in that we pointed out there can be a 579 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 3: lot of problems with offering a reward for a suspect, 580 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 3: but in this case we can argue it's different because 581 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 3: the identity of the suspect is known. They're not being 582 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 3: paid to accuse someone of something. They're being rewarded for 583 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 3: bringing an absolute monster to justice. The earliest charges I 584 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 3: found date back to two thousand and eight, which probably 585 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 3: means who is active way before then. So we want 586 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 3: to put the word out there, let us know if 587 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 3: you see anything, let us know whether you think this 588 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 3: guy is going to get away. It's a scary story, 589 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 3: but it's an important announcement and we don't want to 590 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 3: end on something too brutal, So be safe, take care 591 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 3: out there, folks. And I thought maybe we could go 592 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 3: to a bit of a palette cleanser with some comments 593 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 3: on the science of getting to the Moon, which we 594 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 3: spent a lot of time talking about earlier. This is 595 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 3: from Magnolia Mayhem. Magnolia says, I don't care if you 596 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 3: read this on air. I forget who it was who 597 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 3: bought this up. Late in the episode about the new 598 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 3: Space Race, but someone brought up having a single rocket 599 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 3: go to the moon and come back. The reason we 600 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 3: can't use this concept is because of something called the 601 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 3: rocket equation. It's a terrible little formula that I'm not 602 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 3: going to write out here. Instead, think of a rocket 603 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 3: and a payload. The rocket has one gallon of fuel 604 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,280 Speaker 3: and a one pound payload parentheses metric get wrecked, All right, USA, 605 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 3: I got you, Magnolia. This fuel payload combination gets one 606 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 3: mile to the sky. What happens if you need to 607 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 3: get two pounds to the one mile line? Most people 608 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 3: go to a linear graph. One gallon gets you one 609 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 3: mile with one pound, so two pounds gets you two 610 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 3: pounds up right? Magnolia says no, because God hates rockets. 611 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 3: The extra fuel is itself a payload that the original 612 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 3: fuel has to lift. Because of this, the fuel you 613 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 3: need to get two pounds up to the same altitude 614 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 3: as one pound is going to be closer to four gallons, 615 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 3: and then continues to say, that's why rockets have to 616 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 3: be as light as possible. That's why these stages you 617 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 3: drop used up fuel tanks. You can work around the 618 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 3: rocket equation shed extra weight, and there's been a lot 619 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 3: of work around what's known as SSTOs single stage to orbits. 620 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 3: Magnolia says the closest we ever got to this was 621 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 3: the Space Shuttle, and that still dropped solid rocket boosters 622 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 3: and needed an extra pair of engines to get it 623 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 3: past dropping the orange tank. And then, Magnolia you recommend 624 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 3: a video on YouTube called Space Shuttle oms burn, where 625 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 3: you see two astronauts in a roll a duct tape 626 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 3: left hovering in the air when the shuttle fires its 627 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 3: oms to adjust its orbit. Those are those engines that 628 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 3: can move things around, and then talks a little bit 629 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 3: more about helium, also a little bit about the lunar Lander, 630 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 3: because the lunar Lander, this is one of our questions 631 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 3: in the episode, is only possible. The only way that 632 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 3: thing works is by having the skin of the lander 633 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 3: be as thin as tinfoil, leaving the landing part on 634 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 3: the moon, and having zero redundancy for the engine that 635 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,760 Speaker 3: took them back up to command. And even just hearing 636 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 3: that is terrified, Right, That's a whole other kind of abyss. 637 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: It almost makes it seem hard to believe that it 638 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: occurred successfully all those times. 639 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 6: Eah. 640 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, eat to their own. 641 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 3: But also, you know, guys, it makes me think maybe 642 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 3: maybe it's like an RPG, like an open world role 643 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 3: playing game where you can advance to areas that are 644 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 3: way past your current level. You know, maybe we're like 645 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 3: a level twelve situation. Khruschev jokes aside. Maybe we're like 646 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 3: a level twelve situation, and Space or the Moon is 647 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 3: like level forty something. Right, maybe we are. Maybe we 648 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 3: need to get some groundwork done before we go to 649 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 3: the higher level enemies like Space at. 650 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 2: Vacuum, Like rockets were an accident. We weren't supposed to 651 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 2: discover rockets quite yet because we don't have the other 652 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 2: technology that we need. 653 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, like we watched a YouTube hack, except instead of 654 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 3: getting a cool staff and elder ring, it was a 655 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 3: hack to get rockets before we were supposed to. 656 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Nazis, thanks a lot. 657 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 5: Then you end up stuck on that part of Skyram 658 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 5: where the dragons just eat you alive, you know, instantly, 659 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 5: and and you don't have a save close enough, so 660 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 5: you just give up on the game. 661 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 4: Sorry, I was just describing what happened with me in. 662 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 5: Skyram, but it's a reasonable analogy. 663 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 3: And this this also makes me think. I thought this 664 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 3: was a nice compliment to the idea of deep sea 665 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 3: an abyssle playing exploration, because humanity does need to explore, 666 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 3: right and no one in humanity really wants to be 667 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 3: told stay at home and fix stuff like fix your 668 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 3: house before you go on a trip. You know, Humanity 669 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 3: kind of needs to clean itself up before establishing stuff 670 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 3: on the Moon. 671 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 4: I don't know. 672 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 3: That's one of the big philosophical divides. What do you 673 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 3: guys think should should human beings put a pause on 674 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 3: space travel and fix Earth's problems before continuing? 675 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 4: Or yes? 676 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 5: But I mean, but it's also one of those questions 677 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 5: where you could weigh it like is it too late 678 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 5: for Earth? Should we be exploring the final Frontier? Because 679 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 5: that's where we're heading, you know, at least those of 680 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 5: us that can afford it. I'm sort of joking, but 681 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 5: not really. I mean, I don't think we're completely hopeless 682 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 5: here on Earth, but man, some of the stories that 683 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 5: we hear starts to feel. 684 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 3: Like that every now and oh gosh, an environmental waste 685 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 3: photographer in China just got arrested for going to jin Yang, 686 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 3: So people don't even some very powerful governments don't even 687 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 3: want us to talk about what's happening to the natural world. 688 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 4: But yeah, I. 689 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 3: Don't know either. Is it just like a Is it 690 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 3: a situation where we should just treat planets and ecosystems 691 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 3: as ultimately disposable, like move on to the Moon and 692 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 3: then move on to Mars and then just go somewhere 693 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 3: else when when we crap out on Mars. 694 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 5: We certainly should have a more holistic approach to not 695 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 5: thinking like that. But past a certain point, it's like, well, 696 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 5: what other options do we I mean, you know, I 697 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 5: don't know. Man. People make some bad decisions who are 698 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 5: in power and have for many, many many years. We 699 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 5: can't tell them to just think of the planet like 700 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 5: it doesn't. 701 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 4: Work like that. 702 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 2: We had someone call in recently that said, the technology 703 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 2: itself is the thing. We talked about this before on 704 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 2: one of these But the technology itself is the virus 705 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,720 Speaker 2: that wants to spread itself to the next planetary body. 706 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 2: Like the technology is it, It's not humans. Humanity is 707 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 2: meant to be here on this planet. This is where 708 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 2: we were born, this is where we thrive, where we 709 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 2: could thrive. But the technology itself is the thing pushing 710 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 2: us towards the stars, which again isn't an absolute thing. 711 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 2: It's just a concept, It's an idea. But man, if 712 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 2: it doesn't resonate with me, and you know, I feel 713 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 2: like we can probably do both things simultaneously. There's nothing 714 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 2: stopping us from exploring the Moon further and trying to 715 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 2: get to Mars and establishing stuff there. We just need 716 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 2: to decide somehow as a species that the money, the 717 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 2: currency thing that we have that funds everything on the 718 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 2: planet could and should be used for this kind of exploration, 719 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,320 Speaker 2: rather than building more war toys and sending them across 720 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 2: oceans to hang out while proxy wars continued to be fought. 721 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 3: I've crossed oceans of time, shout out Bram Stoker's Dracula. Yeah, 722 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 3: I agree with you to a large degree. There, humanity 723 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 3: as midwife to an ultimately an ultimately galaxy spanning life 724 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 3: form that is not organic or is techno organic in nature, 725 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 3: the idea of I would I would also say I 726 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,839 Speaker 3: agree with you that these goals space exploration and preservation 727 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 3: of Earth as it is now or was in the past. 728 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 3: They are not mutually exclusive. As a matter of fact, 729 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 3: I would posit the main thing stopping them is the 730 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 3: ideological system of economy, right, the belief that the ways 731 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 3: in which the world has decided to distribute, allocate, and 732 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 3: prioritize resources. I also think to your point, Noel, Earth 733 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 3: is going to be fine. Humanity. Maybe that's a fad, 734 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 3: but Earth will carry on, and perhaps a tiny fly 735 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 3: that was once raised simply to be a food source 736 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 3: in millions and millions of years, perhaps they will become 737 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 3: They will fill the role of current humans, and they 738 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 3: will have the same arguments. Should we go deep into 739 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 3: the ocean, We're flies, We're not built for that. Should 740 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 3: we go into space, Yeah, you know, I feel like 741 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 3: space would make more sense to flies. We're gonna end 742 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 3: on one letter from home. We're not going to read 743 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 3: the whole thing here, but we do want to give 744 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 3: a shout out. We got a very very wonderful piece 745 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 3: of correspondence from Captain Kabam, who is making a comic 746 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:39,839 Speaker 3: book and has been leveraging some emergent technology to assist 747 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 3: them in the creation of that comic book. So we 748 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 3: just wanted to say checked it out. Great workman, Go 749 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,439 Speaker 3: Captain Kabam. I don't know about you, guys. I don't 750 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 3: want to assume, but I believe we all love seeing 751 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 3: it when our fellow conspiracy realists send in creative works. 752 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 3: You know, we've got a kid's horror Cup podcast we're 753 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 3: going to check out. We've got a lot of paintings, 754 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 3: really cool stuff. So thank you, as always, so much 755 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 3: for everybody who took the time to join the show. 756 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 3: We're talking Magnolia, Mayhem, Captain Kabam, Beeswax, not yours, anonymous, abyssle, 757 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 3: no one in particular, and Brad if you want to 758 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 3: join their ranks, we would love to have you on 759 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 3: the show. Let us know what's on your mind, leads 760 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 3: for new episodes, things that you find to be strange, 761 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 3: news questions, clarifications, and of course, as always, hashtag no 762 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:33,720 Speaker 3: pun left behind. 763 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 5: It's ray. You can find us to the handle conspiracy 764 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 5: stuff on all the usual social media platforms with choice 765 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:45,240 Speaker 5: x nay, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube on Instagram and TikTok 766 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,359 Speaker 5: 're conspiracy stuff show. 767 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,359 Speaker 2: I for one, hate it when you send in your 768 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 2: creative pursuits. Stop that, No, for sure, I'm sure you. Hey, 769 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 2: do you want to call us? 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