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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Buffalo twenty eight Kansas City twenty one.
Speaker 3: I looked at this number today. To me, this was
Speaker 3: this was really the game is that Mahomes was uncomfortable
Speaker 3: and Josh Allen was really comfortable. He was sacked three times,
Speaker 3: hit fifteen times. And when Mahomes John doesn't trust his
Speaker 3: offensive line, it changes, it changes the way he plays,
Speaker 3: He presses, takes more risks. And I thought the game
Speaker 3: really came down to that is that. I just thought
Speaker 3: Josh was really comfortable and Patrick wasn't.
Speaker 4: I just know this, if the Bills can find a
Speaker 4: way to play like they do against the Kansas City
Speaker 4: Chiefs in the regular season in the postseason, they will
Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl because they thoroughly outplayed him today,
Speaker 4: outgained to by one hundred yards. We're up double digits
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter. I mean it took a fourth
Speaker 4: and seventeen, which well, only Andy Reid would have a
Speaker 4: fourth and seventeen play that would come wide open. But listen,
Speaker 4: that Bills team that we just saw. That team can
Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl. Yeah, but we see them on
Speaker 4: a weekly basis now look as good on defense, the
Speaker 4: pass rush isn't always there. Joey Bosa looked like, I
Speaker 4: don't know his third year with the Chargers today, so
Speaker 4: I don't know where that version of the Bills is
Speaker 4: always because they make a ton of plays when they
Speaker 4: have to against the Ravens and in the regular season.
Speaker 4: I mean, Colin, this is now kind of a theme
Speaker 4: obviously at home and this is why I've been I've
Speaker 4: said from the jump, getting a home field for the
Speaker 4: Bills is really big, and today was a bigger game
Speaker 4: for them because at the end of the day, like
Speaker 4: Chiefs have already won Super Bowl, so I think they
Speaker 4: will eventually win another one. But if they get bounced
Speaker 4: in the first or second round one year, whatever. This
Speaker 4: year for the Bills, you just have to hold serve.
Speaker 4: With the Patriots, they have an easier schedule than you
Speaker 4: they keep taking care of business. If they would have
Speaker 4: lost today, they would have been out of one game
Speaker 4: Deficis and they've already lost to them, So there was
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure. And in fairness, I thought they
Speaker 4: answered the bell. Beside a couple of plays in the
Speaker 4: second half, right, they were really good going.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, And the other thing that's I mean,
Speaker 3: Bosa is healthy. He's thirty, Greg Russo is twenty five.
Speaker 3: Aj Epeniza is twenty seven. These guys are in their
Speaker 3: athletic prime and they've drafted pretty well in the back end.
Speaker 3: So Denver is now on a heater. Denver's nine and
Speaker 3: two and now plays Kansas City next, and Kansas City
Speaker 3: is five and four, and so now Joe all got
Speaker 3: banged up today, but the Chargers are six and three.
Speaker 3: So you get into a really weird situation here where
Speaker 3: if Denver beats, I mean, it was the worst thing
Speaker 3: possible for Denver. I don't know what the line is,
Speaker 3: I'm taking Kansas City against Denver when Kansas City loses.
Speaker 3: But I think the thing that jumped out to me
Speaker 3: today was, you know, we've talked a lot about the
Speaker 3: defense at Oliver didn't play, but we talk a lot
Speaker 3: about Buffalo's defense all year. So much of defense is
Speaker 3: effort right. Like I was talking to somebody the other
Speaker 3: day about this, is that you know, offensive players on
Speaker 3: a high school they'll follow a coach. Offensive players want
Speaker 3: the coach.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Defensive players, you know they high schoolers, they want to
Speaker 3: go to big schools, right they most defensive coaches they
Speaker 3: see is the same thing. Defensive players are about wrecking things.
Speaker 3: And I do think when you take that Buffalo defensive
Speaker 3: front and they play Mahomes, they play differently. It's just
Speaker 3: a different It's different than playing Michael Pennix. And I've
Speaker 3: always felt offense is about choreography. But I felt like
Speaker 3: I felt like the defensive front today for Buffalo knew
Speaker 3: the red light was on. That's what it felt like
Speaker 3: to me. It felt like they played with way more energy.
Speaker 3: Many of the same players played above what they've been
Speaker 3: playing at all year. I just I feel like defensive
Speaker 3: players can play at a different intensity level depending on
Speaker 3: the opponent. Ten times they've played five and five, and
Speaker 3: I don't know, I thought that was the difference. I
Speaker 3: thought the defensive line for Buffalo was great.
Speaker 4: Well, can I piggyback off what you just said about
Speaker 4: the defense, I think, and I've said this now for
Speaker 4: a while that when you look at the NFL and
Speaker 4: they've tried to clean up the game, right, so now
Speaker 4: when you watch, you know, guys are much safer. They
Speaker 4: take a very conscious effort to officiate dirty calls. And
Speaker 4: I think most guys, now, if you're twenty five, you
Speaker 4: have gone through college in the NFL being taught how
Speaker 4: to hit right and not use your helmet. But I
Speaker 4: do think if we miked up defensive coordinators, like if
Speaker 4: you got the defensive meeting room on Saturday night and
Speaker 4: before the team came out this week and probably all week,
Speaker 4: fans would be uncomfortable what's being said in there, especially
Speaker 4: from the Buffalo side, And you could go around the league.
Speaker 4: I bet if you got Brian Flores micd up this
Speaker 4: week on Wednesday night, on Saturday night, it would make
Speaker 4: a lot of people uncomfortable with what they want. I
Speaker 4: enjoy that, and I know what I'm on, but I
Speaker 4: still think that the way they talk and what they
Speaker 4: preach is still has similarities going back to the eighties
Speaker 4: and the nineties. Yeah, and you know, Buffalo's front is
Speaker 4: really talented and they just lost at Oliver the first
Speaker 4: round draft pick from Kentucky. I mean Patrick Mahomes. Listen,
Speaker 4: I'm with you. His offensive line was at tatters. You
Speaker 4: can't throw that interception late in the game because they
Speaker 4: never got the ball back, you know, essentially, right, So
Speaker 4: it's like that was killer and they just need some
Speaker 4: more impact plays on defense. We'll talk about the Steelers, well,
Speaker 4: what happened today. Their high priced guys, especially upfront, made
Speaker 4: huge play huge. So when you're playing in playoff games,
Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll talk about the baseball game too. Sometimes
Speaker 4: you just need a random guy to make a big
Speaker 4: ass play, whether that's a tip ball for a pick,
Speaker 4: whether that's a fumble, and obviously your stars to make
Speaker 4: big plays. So you know, Buffalo in coach Reid and
Speaker 4: all the Bret Veetz, all those guys will tell you
Speaker 4: Josh Allen is the best player they play, Yeah, and
Speaker 4: has been for now five years. I mean he because
Speaker 4: not only he matches his play against the other randoms
Speaker 4: against them, and he's one of the rare ones, if
Speaker 4: not the only guy who has consistently done that now
Speaker 4: for four or five years.
Speaker 3: Well, they were sixty percent on third down. They had
Speaker 3: one hundred forty yards rushing. I thought, you know, and
Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be high scoring, and
Speaker 3: I said, I'll take Kansas City. But when these two
Speaker 3: teams play, you know, you never count Kansas City out.
Speaker 3: But I felt like today this was this was Buffalo's
Speaker 3: day because Buffalo had lost at home to New England.
Speaker 3: So again I watched that game. The intensity felt different today.
Speaker 3: It feels different in the stadium when Kansas City plays there,
Speaker 3: you get NaNs, get Romo. It just feels different. And
Speaker 3: you know, Josh Allen, they said this during the game,
Speaker 3: seventy nine rushing touchdowns in eight years.
Speaker 2: Jesus, that's just insane.
Speaker 3: He is one of the things when I watch, and
Speaker 3: I feel this way to a lesser degree with Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 3: but I do think there are certain things I guess
Speaker 3: I would say this. I feel generally Kansas City has
Speaker 3: slightly better personnel than Buffalo, But right now, does Buffalo
Speaker 3: have the right ingredients star running back Mahomes doesn't better
Speaker 3: defensive front with more high level guys. Right Chris Jones
Speaker 3: has not had a great year. So we know Buffalo
Speaker 3: and Kansas City have good gms and great quarterbacks and
Speaker 3: We know Andy's very clever in these games, but a
Speaker 3: lot of times John it's units. You know, the two
Speaker 3: times Mahomes has been blown out in Super Bowls, he
Speaker 3: had a bad old line. The old lines are both fine.
Speaker 3: Although Kansas City's got overwhelmed today, but that defensive front
Speaker 3: right now for Buffalo, it reminds me. It just there's
Speaker 3: just a lot of guys. I feel like there's just
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that play. I must throw Milano
Speaker 3: in there when he's healthy. I mean, Josh is only
Speaker 3: twenty nine. He's going to have six more cracks at
Speaker 3: the super Bowl minimum. But I felt today watching him,
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's they've got it. They've had it before.
Speaker 3: But Cook playing at this level, Buffalo's got all the ingredients.
Speaker 4: I would say this too. If Kincaid is going to
Speaker 4: look like that, SHA's what they drafted him high, to
Speaker 4: look like a Laporta, to look like a Tucker Craft, Yes,
Speaker 4: a Kittle, a Kelsey. So if he's going to play
Speaker 4: like that, I mean Cook, If you had to look
Speaker 4: at twenty twenty five, you would say Jonathan Taylor's had
Speaker 4: the best year at running back. McCaffrey is just week
Speaker 4: in week out bringing, and you would put Cook. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's been one of the best running backs in the
Speaker 4: NFL this year and you watch him on a weekly
Speaker 4: basis not really debatable. So you get high level tight
Speaker 4: end play, you get high level running back play. I
Speaker 4: would say since Cook has become a high end starter,
Speaker 4: it's really changed the Bills offense and it's made Joe
Speaker 4: Brady look a lot better. The other thing is if
Speaker 4: you have a good defensive line. The Chiefs are missing
Speaker 4: their star rookie left tackle who's been gone now for
Speaker 4: several weeks. Today they had multiple injuries at right guard,
Speaker 4: at right or at left guard, and at right tackle. Well,
Speaker 4: if that means your backup left tackle is starting because
Speaker 4: Simmons is gone, so you actually are going to like
Speaker 4: a backups backup. The Domino effect was pretty big, and
Speaker 4: you just saw him kind of under duress, and the
Speaker 4: reality is sometimes when he's under duress, he will make
Speaker 4: decisions like you know, other run of the mill quarterbacks
Speaker 4: and not one of the great players we've ever seen.
Speaker 4: And he did today all.
Speaker 3: Right, Minnesota twenty seven, Detroit twenty four. Before we get
Speaker 3: to JJ McCarthy, golf got sacked five times, hit eleven
Speaker 3: ten tackles for loss. Brian Flores was on his game today.
Speaker 3: They couldn't run the football at all, so it was
Speaker 3: amor on. Saint Brown and Sam Laporta were excellent, but
Speaker 3: Detroit could not run the ball. And that's kind of
Speaker 3: the engine that makes everything slick and click there. JJ
Speaker 3: McCarthy was after the first couple of drives, he was
Speaker 3: about fifty percent again, but I got two touchdowns, ran
Speaker 3: for another okay on third down. I thought he was
Speaker 3: very good in the script and stuff early. Overall, he
Speaker 3: moves well.
Speaker 1: He looks.
Speaker 3: It's funny about size. He looks a little small to me.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. Mahomes is six one and a half.
Speaker 3: He feels huge to me, I don't Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 3: six one and a half. He feels six to four. McCarthy,
Speaker 3: it sometimes feels like he gets engulfed. But overall, I
Speaker 3: thought he moved well and played pretty well. Did you
Speaker 3: have a strong take on him?
Speaker 4: I think your take on the waight, I think it's
Speaker 4: a girth thing, you know, the side of the thickness,
Speaker 4: because Russell Wilson never felt like he was small, right,
Speaker 4: even though he's five ten yearl because he's two hundred
Speaker 4: twenty pounds. Yeah, Caleb's a good example. Yeah, shorter, but
Speaker 4: feels like he's two sixteen.
Speaker 3: And Caleb's six feet to I'm taller than Caleb by
Speaker 3: like an inch.
Speaker 4: One thing we said about JJ last year during the injury,
Speaker 4: and I think Albert Breer and a bunch of guys,
Speaker 4: he lost a bunch of weight and was like one
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty five pounds, So I think it's harder
Speaker 4: for Mahomes probably wised to earn thirty pounds. So I
Speaker 4: think that factors in the number one thing with JJ
Speaker 4: today were the good plays were touchdowns. So if you're
Speaker 4: gonna count for three touchdowns, you could have twenty in
Speaker 4: completions and have some terrible plays. It's when you're not
Speaker 4: scoring and bringing none to that to the table, it's
Speaker 4: just a complete disaster. Flora, As I thought, if you're
Speaker 4: gonna give one game ball to a coach, same it'd
Speaker 4: probably have to go to him because you're on the
Speaker 4: road in Detroit. That was that was excellent. I mean,
Speaker 4: his guys were flying around. Gof's good against the blitz
Speaker 4: and early on I think they had blitzed like five
Speaker 4: or six times it sacked them. On two of them,
Speaker 4: Gough was all out of sink where offense was out
Speaker 4: of sink, and it felt like he gave the speech,
Speaker 4: we're going to have to win this thing because in
Speaker 4: fairness coming into that game and they kept hitting on it.
Speaker 4: On the broadcast of I thought Tom did a good job.
Speaker 4: He said, there's no one disputing his arm strength. But
Speaker 4: you know, Burkhardt must have come in late from the
Speaker 4: baseball game last night. Was there talking about a guy grinding,
Speaker 4: And Brady's big thing was clearly he knows Kevin pretty well.
Speaker 4: It's like, sometimes you need to do a change up.
Speaker 4: Sometimes we need to get some off speed. Sometimes you
Speaker 4: need touch balls. Yes, because you watch the arm strength
Speaker 4: is fine, but on some of these balls over the
Speaker 4: middle on third and eight, and even at his interception
Speaker 4: was a little behind. His accuracy like some of these
Speaker 4: guys is a work in progress.
Speaker 3: Yeah, JJ's interception was low and down it and the
Speaker 3: Lions player came over it. No, that's that's Matt Stafford
Speaker 3: is the master of tempo. Like he can sling it
Speaker 3: side arm, he can throw a heat and I think
Speaker 3: of it. It's just it is a little bit like
Speaker 3: being a baseball pitcher. I what I worry about what
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy is, And I felt like this was Brock Purtty.
Speaker 3: You know, when the Niners, Christian McCaffrey is upright, I
Speaker 3: don't even care who the quarterback is. I mean like,
Speaker 3: if Christian McCaffrey plays today at half their yards, it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter if it's Mac Jones or Brock pretty. I
Speaker 3: do feel with Kevin O'Connell justin Jefferson good left tackle.
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like it's hard to evaluate JJ
Speaker 3: because the coach, the left tackle, and the receiver are
Speaker 3: so good. It's like San Francisco with Kyle and Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3: And then when Kittle is healthy and Jennings can be,
Speaker 3: you know, highly productive, how valuable is the quarterback? So
Speaker 3: this is an anti J McCarthy. I just think I
Speaker 3: think again, I think I just need more of him.
Speaker 3: I just have to see more games. I thought Brian
Speaker 3: Flores was game ball Brian Flores.
Speaker 4: That's why I think it's fair for JJ McCarthy. The
Speaker 4: bar of how he's being judged should be higher than
Speaker 4: a lot of random young quarterbacks on bad teams. When
Speaker 4: you play for crappy franchises and you lose. I expect that,
Speaker 4: Like whoever the Carolina Panthers draft, I don't expect it
Speaker 4: to look great. But when you get Justin Jefferson in
Speaker 4: his prime, Howkinson, Jordan Addison, Kevin o'connoff. We had a
Speaker 4: coaching draft, where would Kevin o' he'd go in the
Speaker 4: top five? Yes, so everything, And this was Trey Lance's thing.
Speaker 4: When you get drafted to a team whose expectations are, yeah,
Speaker 4: let's win fourteen games and compete for the conference championship, you.
Speaker 3: Just get judged a lot differently.
Speaker 4: And I'll give JJ credit in the Bears game, he
Speaker 4: had huge moments in a big time today. At the
Speaker 4: end of the game, with the game on the line,
Speaker 4: his coach put in his hands and he delivered. And
Speaker 4: that's where I think a lot of his defenders go
Speaker 4: with the quote unquote he's a winner. There is some
Speaker 4: winning characteristics when you're comfortable in big moments. You go
Speaker 4: back to that moment against Alabama where it looked like
Speaker 4: Harbaugh had this all time great roster and he was
Speaker 4: gonna lose in the in the playoffs. To Nick saban
Speaker 4: On probably, I bet Nick would say one of his
Speaker 4: worst ever playoff teams. JJ made some great plays. You
Speaker 4: watched his first start against the Bears, Big Spot made
Speaker 4: some great plays. And today on I thought they were
Speaker 4: just gonna run it and just hey, lean it on floors.
Speaker 4: They put in his hands. Great throw, Colin, not a
Speaker 4: good throw, a great deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, when I watched him at Michigan, that was
Speaker 3: always my take. Moves, Well, gritty kid didn't make a
Speaker 3: ton of big throws, but he'd make one or two
Speaker 3: NFL Sunday throws. He can make the big throws. So
Speaker 3: I just don't have a ton you know. I mean, like,
Speaker 3: say what you want about bow knicks. I've got like
Speaker 3: a six game winning streak and he's got a one
Speaker 3: nineteen passer rating, nine touchdowns, no pick in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: I've got a lot of samples of bow knicks. He
Speaker 3: can have gaps, but late he's really good. So I
Speaker 3: with JJ, I've never been a huge believer, but I thought,
Speaker 3: you know what, to go to Detroit, you got the deal. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, you win in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 3: Every Sunday for Brady was great. That Teddy Bruski crew.
Speaker 3: There were days that Tom didn't do a lot of
Speaker 3: heavy lifting. He was twenty at twenty eight with a
Speaker 3: lot of underneath stuff.
Speaker 4: So yeah, if I was going to defend, you know,
Speaker 4: JJ hasn't been playing, Carson has or but definitely Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4: They're i mean Caleb's defense. Sometimes you watch the Bears
Speaker 4: on defense and they just look atrocious in Minnesota till today.
Speaker 4: They had been pretty bad this season, Colin, I mean
Speaker 4: today was and even today they gave it. It's not
Speaker 4: like they gave up ten points. I mean, and they
Speaker 4: had some drop balls. I mean there were plays to
Speaker 4: be made. Like the defense is on those two teams,
Speaker 4: I mean, bow Knicks. We might have just watched the
Speaker 4: two best defense in the league play each other today, right,
Speaker 4: The physicality of Denver and Houston and how good their
Speaker 4: defensive lines are. So anytime you have a defense that
Speaker 4: is that good does back you up when you're not
Speaker 4: making plays. But I'd say all three of these guys
Speaker 4: have one thing going for him, JJ McCarthy. Now, obviously
Speaker 4: Caleb and bow Knicks making plays in big spots. And
Speaker 4: I think when you look at Caleb and Bonnicks, they've
Speaker 4: had a lot of snaps now in their career.
Speaker 3: Well, they also have Sean Payton. I mean, look at
Speaker 3: the coaches.
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell, Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson.
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Speaker 3: You know what's remarkable to me, and maybe it's I
Speaker 3: was thinking about this today. So the Rams beat the
Speaker 3: Saints thirty four to ten. Time of possession was forty
Speaker 3: three minutes to seventeen. I mean it was it almost
Speaker 3: felt like a practice. Is that whereas Philadelphia and Green
Speaker 3: Bay kind of struggle to figure out what they are
Speaker 3: because the Dodgers are taking so much glare in Los
Speaker 3: Angeles away from football and should.
Speaker 1: The Rams are really good.
Speaker 3: I mean we forget they went in London and they
Speaker 3: blow out Jacksonville like thirty five to seven.
Speaker 2: Rams.
Speaker 3: Right now, john are really really good. Pooka came back today,
Speaker 3: Korum played okay. They have a two headed run game. Now,
Speaker 3: they have four healthy tight ends, Jordan Winningham that sixth
Speaker 3: round draft pick. They have a sixth and a seventh
Speaker 3: round wide receiver that can play a little bit. The
Speaker 3: defense is excellent up front, I think quietly. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you took and I really believe this, I think
Speaker 3: the Rams are the most consistent, best coached right now,
Speaker 3: healthiest team. I don't think the old line is great.
Speaker 3: I think it's very good. I think they have a
Speaker 3: great guard tandem. But I you know, and I had
Speaker 3: this was a lower right hand corner game as I
Speaker 3: was watching Kansas City and Buffalo. But Jesus, I mean
Speaker 3: it was. I mean, we've seen a lot of upsets
Speaker 3: this year and a lot of weird shit. That thing
Speaker 3: today was a practice. It was just it was just
Speaker 3: easy peasy, and I mean it's Stafford. At one point,
Speaker 3: I don't know what he finished. He had four touchdowns,
Speaker 3: no picks, Jesus, they were getting seven yards of carry.
Speaker 3: The rams are really good.
Speaker 4: He was thirty four to thirty two for two hundred
Speaker 4: eighty yards and four touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Thirty four to forty two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the other or no, twenty four to thirty two,
Speaker 4: oh for two eighty so he had eight incompletions. I'd
Speaker 4: say the scary thing these last couple of games is
Speaker 4: DeVante has five touchdowns. So when that you figure out
Speaker 4: that report to go along with Puka. Now Pook at
Speaker 4: any moment, you know, take some vicious hits. He runs
Speaker 4: guys over. You know, can this guy stay healthy? But
Speaker 4: those two guys are on the field right now. They're
Speaker 4: as good of a one to two combos like in
Speaker 4: terms of production and what they bring to the tables,
Speaker 4: like chasing Higgins. They're on kind of unstoppable. And the
Speaker 4: one thing with DeVante, he's very comfortable with the high
Speaker 4: end veteran quarterback in his prime with Aaron it's kind
Speaker 4: of starting to feel like that those guys cohesion, especially
Speaker 4: in the in the red zone, has Matt Stafford kind
Speaker 4: of quietly because you know, today I don't think a
Speaker 4: lot of people are dialed into the Saints game, right,
Speaker 4: But four touchdowns five touchdowns Jack, I think he threw
Speaker 4: three in that loss against the Niners. He's got to
Speaker 4: be directly in the mix.
Speaker 3: So I have said this before. This sounds crazy. So
Speaker 3: he was better than Aaron Rodgers in high school, and
Speaker 3: he was better than Aaron in college, and he was
Speaker 3: better than Aaron for the first four years of his
Speaker 3: NFL career. He's been better than Aaron for the last
Speaker 3: four years of his NFL career. Aaron had a ten
Speaker 3: eleven year stratch at Green Bay, where Matt Stafford was.
Speaker 3: You know, he was with a losing organization and Aaron
Speaker 3: had the well run outfit. What if Matt Stafford wins
Speaker 3: another Super Bowl, now, think about that. He's got a
Speaker 3: better playoff record. He was better early, better late. If
Speaker 3: Matt Stafford win, well, he's already a hall I think
Speaker 3: he's a Hall of Famer now right, Matt Stafford's a
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame right now.
Speaker 4: I put him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what if Matt Stafford wins a second Super Bowl?
Speaker 3: He's always been considered one of the best arm talents
Speaker 3: of our generation. That's indisputable. You could ask anybody the
Speaker 3: Brady's ask Aaron asked Far they all go, yeah, Stafford's it.
Speaker 3: Where do you put him all the time? Serious question?
Speaker 3: Matt Stafford wins a second Super Bowl? I'm telling you
Speaker 3: there's not a lot of guys I'd put above him.
Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't have he didn't have quite the
Speaker 3: gravitas of your Brady, Montana, Manning, and Elway. But Marino's
Speaker 3: got no super Bowls. He's got two. I don't know
Speaker 3: Stafford is watching him this season? Shit, man, he is.
Speaker 3: He is dialed in, He's comfortable.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: What do you do with him all time? If he
Speaker 3: wins a second Well.
Speaker 4: To me, it's hard. I mean you could make the argument,
Speaker 4: Aaron's a top five guy, you know, with Manning, Montana,
Speaker 4: Brady Elway, pretty short list to me, I don't think
Speaker 4: most people would include Stafford in the top ten of quarterbacks. Now,
Speaker 4: granted he played for the Lions, not the Dan Campbellions.
Speaker 3: Would you have put him by if he has a
Speaker 3: second Super Bowl. He's a better arm talent than Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: Matt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, there is not if I could get here,
Speaker 4: here's the argument. If you could get twenty three year
Speaker 4: old Matt Stafford or and start listing out quarterbacks, he
Speaker 4: would go ahead of a lot of guys because he's
Speaker 4: showing that. What if Matt Stafford had been drafted by
Speaker 4: a hardball brother an Andy Reid a Sean Payton right
Speaker 4: when he was twenty three, instead of going to the Lions,
Speaker 4: who always drafted high right and they're two best players
Speaker 4: beside him quit at thirty years old. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: a pretty the Lions that if you're a twelve year
Speaker 4: old kid right now, you can't even comprehend this conversation.
Speaker 4: But I do think that the time with the Lions,
Speaker 4: he has had years where he's thrown a lot of picks,
Speaker 4: he can be a little reckless. The way he's playing
Speaker 4: right now, though, like his ceiling. One thing I will
Speaker 4: say about this, His ceiling is as high as any player.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Ever, like he can go toe to toe when he's on.
Speaker 4: I say this about Camp. Camp can have individual games
Speaker 4: where he can outplay any guy in the league and
Speaker 4: that was prime Brady, prime Manning. Now Stafford's a better
Speaker 4: player than Camp but in that same vein of like,
Speaker 4: if you get Stafford in the right day or the
Speaker 4: right month, he can just be the best player in
Speaker 4: the league now. And I do think this second kind
Speaker 4: of iteration of his career with Sean is going to
Speaker 4: be a really powerful moment for his career, and he'll
Speaker 4: have like the Kurt Warner type the individual seasons. I
Speaker 4: just think it's hard to shake that that lion stretch,
Speaker 4: because well, winning and losing isn't a quarterback statistic. Most
Speaker 4: good quarterbacks win a lot. Not all his fault, but
Speaker 4: I do think he probably developed some bad habits there.
Speaker 3: Let's talk some World series. So that's about as good
Speaker 3: a World Series, especially Game six and seven as I've
Speaker 3: ever seen in my life. So I, you know, I
Speaker 3: thought it was really interesting. You know, Dave Roberts pulled
Speaker 3: all these levers, you know, like he just pulled all
Speaker 3: these levers, and to win a World Series where you know,
Speaker 3: he puts in Rojas and then the out the defensive
Speaker 3: outfielder in the ninth and he goes with Yoshi again.
Speaker 3: Everything worked.
Speaker 2: But I think, you know, as I was.
Speaker 3: I was talking to a friend about this, is that Otani,
Speaker 3: Roki and Yoshi, and right now Yoshi is arguably the
Speaker 3: best pitcher, and Otani is the best player. He's been
Speaker 3: moved to the pen. But these Japanese stars and Japanese
Speaker 3: baseball is like really high high Triple A. It's not
Speaker 3: quite the Bigs, but it's there's great players and it's
Speaker 3: a The Dodgers have so separated financially from everybody else
Speaker 3: on I mean on the West coast that I mean,
Speaker 3: they always had money. But the gap now between the
Speaker 3: Dodgers and the Giants and everybody else, the Angels and
Speaker 3: the Mariners, is that these Japanese stars, between weather and
Speaker 3: proximity and how well run the organization is. And the
Speaker 3: Dodgers are smart, so they said, listen. The only downside
Speaker 3: the taxes just to fer the payment, so you can
Speaker 3: get paid when you've retired and lived somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Is that.
Speaker 3: A friend of mine in New York was saying, God,
Speaker 3: our teams are bad, but I said, New York is cold,
Speaker 3: it's intense, a much harsher media. The city tax La
Speaker 3: has spread out. You can hide. I mean, I never
Speaker 3: see I was in La nine years. I'm here right now.
Speaker 3: You never see pro athletes in LA. You can just hot.
Speaker 3: You never see celebrities in LA, and they're everywhere. There's writers, directors.
Speaker 3: I mean, look how many pro teams were in LA.
Speaker 3: You never see athletes ever.
Speaker 1: It's just so spread out.
Speaker 3: There's so many gated communities. Calabasa's Hidden Hills, Malibu. You know,
Speaker 3: everybody's got these enclaves, Beverly Hills, bel Air, Windy Roads,
Speaker 3: you can hide thousand oaks. And I think I think
Speaker 3: they I think the Dodgers right now. Steve Cohen's got
Speaker 3: money with the Mets, the Yankees have money. They just
Speaker 3: feel like with these Japanese stars. And you know the
Speaker 3: other thing, John, those guys don't listen to our media.
Speaker 3: It's like international NBA players. They come here, they play,
Speaker 3: and then they go home. They don't get caught up.
Speaker 3: They play. So I mean, Yoshi plays so loose in
Speaker 3: these big spots. He's so unaffected by the intensity and
Speaker 3: the chaos of the World Series. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: just look at the Dodgers and I'm not sure there's
Speaker 3: another organization in North America that's run like they are.
Speaker 4: One of my best friends played college baseball, and one
Speaker 4: of his teammates, you know, was like a fringe big leaguer,
Speaker 4: triple A guy, and signed a deal with the Japanese
Speaker 4: team when Otani right before he came over, when he
Speaker 4: was alleged over there, and they went over and visited
Speaker 4: and went to the games, and they were at the
Speaker 4: highest level, and they said that it felt like an
Speaker 4: SEC football game. The intensity in the environment in Japan,
Speaker 4: the way these Yamamoto and Otani grew up playing, I
Speaker 4: mean they make it right. When they're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen
Speaker 4: years old started playing in that league and they just
Speaker 4: said the intensity of the crowd would be like going
Speaker 4: to Alabama Auburn. How much these people know about baseball
Speaker 4: and how much they care. So these guys the bright
Speaker 4: light's completely unfazed. When Otani was like one of twenty
Speaker 4: five through the first whatever of the playoffs, it wasn't
Speaker 4: because he was overwhelmed. He couldn't see the baseball right.
Speaker 4: But the difference I would say of baseball, the Warriors
Speaker 4: can't win unless Steph is incredible during the playoffs. Right
Speaker 4: in the NFL, you could have a random guy make
Speaker 4: a big play in a Super Bowl or an NFC championship.
Speaker 4: But your stars, your star quarterback, your star pass rusher
Speaker 4: have to come through or you will lose. In baseball,
Speaker 4: that's not really how it works. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 4: was a Giants fan. Cody Ross in twenty ten hit
Speaker 4: home runs off Roy Halliday that no one saw coming
Speaker 4: in Philadelphia. The Dodgers won the World Series last night.
Speaker 4: You could argue because they rolled out four guys they're
Speaker 4: paying a combined one point five billion dollars two or
Speaker 4: because their ninth hitter in the in the ninth inning
Speaker 4: hits a game tying home run where they were going
Speaker 4: to lose the World Series, and then that same guy
Speaker 4: almost falls throws home and then their backup center fielder
Speaker 4: who had been benched. I'm watching with my wife. She
Speaker 4: falls out of her chair.
Speaker 1: She's like, what just happened?
Speaker 4: That had to be one of the crazier plays in
Speaker 4: World Series because it looked like he was going to
Speaker 4: basket catch it, and this random center fielder tackles him
Speaker 4: like he's Ed Reid across the middle and saves the game.
Speaker 4: But that's baseball, it's not. It wasn't no tany hitting.
Speaker 4: The walk up Will Smith, Will Smith Rojas and that
Speaker 4: big guy in center field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and that's.
Speaker 4: What makes baseball pretty unique in the playoffs. It's not
Speaker 4: just your stars.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think and again, even when if you go
Speaker 3: back and look at the great Yankee teams with Jeter
Speaker 3: and Bernie and Posada, you know it was Scott Brocious
Speaker 3: from mcmnville, Oregon coming up big. So like nobody had
Speaker 3: a problem when the Yankees were buying the best players
Speaker 3: because people understood that Posada and Jeter, that was part
Speaker 3: of the Yankee farm system. Well go look at the Dodgers.
Speaker 3: They haven't missed. I mean they they draft I mean
Speaker 3: Max Munsey was released from Oakland. They I think they
Speaker 3: traded for Blake Snell. I mean, these guys are available
Speaker 3: on the market. The Steinbrenners could have afforded to buy Yoshi.
Speaker 3: They spent three hundred million. The Dodgers said three thirty five.
Speaker 3: They don't win the series without him, so they identify
Speaker 3: who they want. They are aggressive. I think we're the
Speaker 3: Dodgers where I see their money being an advantage because
Speaker 3: Mookie Betts did not outside of September, just didn't hit
Speaker 3: this year, played a very good short stuff, didn't hit.
Speaker 3: Freddie Freeman's more offensive the defensive player, and Otani had
Speaker 3: real struggles at the plate throughout the playoffs where the
Speaker 3: Dodgers have an advantage a the Asian Stars, obviously, but
Speaker 3: it's to get to get a glass Now or a
Speaker 3: Snell who may not give you a ton of starts
Speaker 3: during the regular season. Most teams cannot afford to pay
Speaker 3: a guy if he's not giving you twenty five. I mean,
Speaker 3: Yoshi's the only guy that he never misses a start,
Speaker 3: like he's a true bona fide ace like Verlin or
Speaker 3: in his prime, you're getting thirty starts. They can go
Speaker 3: get a Snell and a Glass now remarkably talented guys
Speaker 3: and get ten twelve starts in the regular season and
Speaker 3: just push them off to September. That's the advantage they have.
Speaker 3: But you can also lots of teams could defer payments
Speaker 3: and they don't. The Dodgers do. So. Yes, money is
Speaker 3: clearly an ex but I think to your point, Yoshi
Speaker 3: was great, but there were a lot of guys slumping.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back to this World Series,
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays out hit the Dodgers, I mean the
Speaker 3: Dodgers in game six to one. I think they had
Speaker 3: four hits. I mean they struggled the whole series to hit.
Speaker 4: I actually think baseball is much closer to football in
Speaker 4: terms of in the Dodgers was two years ago. I
Speaker 4: mean almost got beat by the Padres in the play.
Speaker 4: It's the baseball. I don't care how good your team
Speaker 4: is in basketball. When I got the Kevin Durant Warriors,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need Achilles tears and ACL tears to loose.
Speaker 4: Other than that, I'm a lock to win. Shaq, Kobe Laker,
Speaker 4: some of these teams, it's gonna be ninety percent chance
Speaker 4: I win. The Dodgers roster can't get much better, and
Speaker 4: it was really difficult for them to win. I was
Speaker 4: just say they probably should have lost. You know, that's
Speaker 4: that's baseball.
Speaker 3: Though they won a World Series last year with really
Speaker 3: average starting pitching, and they won a World Series this
Speaker 3: year with a really average bullpen, which is verse impossible
Speaker 3: to do if you're leaking in the back end. I mean,
Speaker 3: Yoshi basically is why they won the World Series. But
Speaker 3: I will say, having spent nine years a full time
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, they just don't make a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, they let Zach Grinkey go. They could have
Speaker 3: made a big bid for him. He went to Arizona.
Speaker 3: They let Manny Machado go. They don't make a lot
Speaker 3: of mistakes. And they've also let Cody Bellinger go. They've
Speaker 3: let good players, you know, leave. So money's obviously apart,
Speaker 3: but you know, I mean the truth is in the
Speaker 3: NBA during the David Stern years, money was a part,
Speaker 3: but the New York Knicks weren't winning. Some people don't
Speaker 3: spend the money as wisely. I mean, we know game
Speaker 3: day revenue, the Giants and the Jets have much greater
Speaker 3: game day revenue than green Bay. Green Bay spends their
Speaker 3: money more wisely.
Speaker 4: When I was working in radio, I got to go
Speaker 4: to a lot of the A's were really good then,
Speaker 4: kind of in Billy Bean's prime in thes were winning
Speaker 4: a bunch of World Series. And I think sometimes with baseball,
Speaker 4: especially probably over the last decade, it gets overlooked because
Speaker 4: we spend so much time talking about these kind of
Speaker 4: the quote unquote nerds running the sport. I do think
Speaker 4: the best kind of nerds understand character and cohesion, and
Speaker 4: one thing you watch with the Dodgers. Like feels like
Speaker 4: all these guys like each other and they had a
Speaker 4: good I would say with the Blue Jays, it jumped
Speaker 4: off the screen. It was like this team looks like
Speaker 4: a college team all playing together. The San Francsco Giants,
Speaker 4: you always had that Billy Bean always did a really
Speaker 4: good job of finding the right mix of guys. Baseball
Speaker 4: is about more and you watch the Yankees, it seems
Speaker 4: like missing a little something that's the knock, Like at
Speaker 4: the end of the day in baseball, you still got
Speaker 4: to have some fast guys.
Speaker 1: That can run.
Speaker 4: And you watch the Dodgers. Definitely the Blue Jays, they
Speaker 4: got their best players are athletes. The Yankees are a
Speaker 4: good example. Their best players all look like, you know,
Speaker 4: move like defensive tackles. It's like you doesn't need a
Speaker 4: little speech.
Speaker 3: Well, the Yankees strike out too much. They don't play
Speaker 3: small ball. The Dodgers have the ability to. I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: Toronto hit the ball more consistently. The Dodgers had the
Speaker 3: better starting pitching. I mean, if you go back to
Speaker 3: the last year's World Series, the only time the Yankees
Speaker 3: competed with the Dodgers is when Garrett Cole pitched, the
Speaker 3: Yankees didn't look athletic enough, didn't run the bases. Well,
Speaker 3: they're not a very good defensive team. The Yankees strikeout
Speaker 3: too much, and they have tons of money, so you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think.
Speaker 4: That's one of the most thrilling endings to a World
Speaker 4: Series all.
Speaker 3: I think Game six, in Game seven, the final innings
Speaker 3: are the greatest, most drama field. You have to go
Speaker 3: back to the seventy five I think it was seventy
Speaker 3: five World Series. It was Reds against the Red Sox.
Speaker 3: It's that Carlton fiskomer at Fenway where he's you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: waving at it, and I remember watching that as a kid.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the first baseball memory I have is
Speaker 3: like the seventy four, seventy five, seventy six Cincinnati Reds
Speaker 3: because I was in Seattle, we didn't have the Mariners yet,
Speaker 3: and that's when I fell in love with football over baseball.
Speaker 3: But the mid seventies, the big Red Machine, I fell
Speaker 3: in love with it, and that had I mean, I
Speaker 3: can go back to that series. Names that you guys
Speaker 3: you've never heard, but I thought the magnitude it was
Speaker 3: just so I mean, you had Dave Roberts had to
Speaker 3: pull so many damn levers, you know, going with Rojas
Speaker 3: like old guy. I'm not even sure when his last
Speaker 3: home run was. Dave Roberts said after his wife kept
Speaker 3: telling Rojas the whole series, you're going to hit a
Speaker 3: home run in this series. You are, And he's like,
Speaker 3: I'm not playing, I'm not kidding up. She's like, you're
Speaker 3: going to hit a home run tonight. So I just
Speaker 3: thought it was It was just everything. The announcing the
Speaker 3: imagery Fox the Blue Jays, I mean Blue Jays over
Speaker 3: under was like seventy eight and a half. Talk about
Speaker 3: a team that just mashed and overachieved.
Speaker 2: Good for them.
Speaker 3: Let's pivot now to the Bears. Sure they got the
Speaker 3: coach in the quarterback, the defense stinks. We still don't
Speaker 3: like the owner, the front office. I doubt I love
Speaker 3: the coach. The quarterbacks super talented. There's a lot that they're
Speaker 3: not doing right, like a political party. The Bears now
Speaker 3: lead the NFL in big plays. That's good for me,
Speaker 3: and isn't it. They're a flawed team from ownership down.
Speaker 3: But they got the two things that appears right.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's no question. I mean the one I always
Speaker 1: say is it's a fun turn of phrase. Is like
Speaker 1: the Bengals were the Bungles until they got Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: You know, the Chiefs didn't win a single game with
Speaker 1: the quarterback they drafted since Todd Blackledge and then it
Speaker 1: was Patrick Mahomes, you know, So like it can change
Speaker 1: on a dime. And I find it to be amazing
Speaker 1: that the Bears are fourth and rushing fourth in yards,
Speaker 1: sixth and scoring crazy back in and explosive plays, and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, is Caleb good? I'm like, listen, and by
Speaker 1: the way, to be fair, to be fair as someone
Speaker 1: who's watched every snap of every game closer than any
Speaker 1: team in the NFL, like they got some of those
Speaker 1: numbers got fat against Dallas and Cincinnati, objectively true. And
Speaker 1: some of the explosive play stuff is running game based,
Speaker 1: and they've been much better running out of the by Washington,
Speaker 1: New Orleans, Baltimore and then the game last week. But
Speaker 1: so it's not all because of Caleb. Caleb's not playing
Speaker 1: as well as Drake Many. Caleb's not playing as well
Speaker 1: as Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. But if you told
Speaker 1: me twenty five games into his career, on his third
Speaker 1: play caller and second head coach, that they would have,
Speaker 1: by the numbers, a top ten offense and a winning
Speaker 1: record in year two. One hundred percent of Bears fans
Speaker 1: would have signed up for it.
Speaker 3: That's what I always tell whenever my wife's, you know,
Speaker 3: getting a little concerned about our kids. I'm like, if
Speaker 3: i'd have told you twenty years ago when we met,
Speaker 3: none of them would be in jail, none would have
Speaker 3: a drug problem, We'd have a vacation home and a
Speaker 3: nice house, and our kids would still call us. Would
Speaker 3: you have signed up for it? Yes, then don't worry
Speaker 3: about tomorrow. It's all good. Think about this. So my
Speaker 3: take is every NFL offense as a whole. Let me
Speaker 3: give an example. I'm gonna give you the best offenses
Speaker 3: in the NFL two weeks ago. What you thought Green
Speaker 3: Bay today? They have no offensive identity. These are the
Speaker 3: better offenses the Rams Pukazoa was hurt and Stafford has
Speaker 3: no mobility. Philadelphia depends on the game in the half.
Speaker 3: Denver terrible offense for three quarters every single game. San
Speaker 3: Francisco battle line totally Christian McCaffrey dependent. Indianapolis. Does anybody
Speaker 3: like Daniel Jones. I just named the good offenses in
Speaker 3: the NFL, right right. So the truth is, we pay
Speaker 3: so much attention to offense, Danny, and I'm guilty of this.
Speaker 3: We nitpick the Bears, big plays, run the ball, well coached, taken, no.
Speaker 1: Doubt, no doubt, and and I have I came into
Speaker 1: the year with optimism, but with zero percent like they're
Speaker 1: a contender or they're gonna win the Super Bowl. So
Speaker 1: to me, this season has been it's been a little
Speaker 1: bit of a heart attack inducing. I might say some
Speaker 1: things during these Bear games that if like anyone other
Speaker 1: than like Nick right was next to me, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: that might get me canceled. Uh you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it's a stressful watch. But I have no illusions
Speaker 1: that this is a great team. Like the defense is flawed,
Speaker 1: the quarterback is young, it's a new system that they've got.
Speaker 1: They've had serious left tackle questions. Their two best cornerbacks
Speaker 1: are hurt. We don't know if Jalen Johnson is coming
Speaker 1: back like this year, he'll come back eventually, obviously, Like
Speaker 1: they're not gonna win the Super Bowl. They probably won't
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, though they might we'll see because weird
Speaker 1: things happen in the NFL. But again, like, do you
Speaker 1: have the coaching quarterback? I can work with that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because they also it's not just like they got a
Speaker 1: lot of talent. I hear this all the time, like, oh,
Speaker 1: Doonsay is talented? Loveland is talented. They're right. Tackle Darnell
Speaker 1: right looks like a stud for you.
Speaker 3: Andre Swift is an excellent top twelve back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, manung guy who has been has been great the
Speaker 1: last you know, game and a half since Swift has
Speaker 1: been hurt. Looks looks good that they they have pieces,
Speaker 1: they have talent, and they are clearly on the up
Speaker 1: and up. And Caleb he gives them a ceiling that
Speaker 1: feels kind of limitless because of how crazy the physical
Speaker 1: talent is. Like if Ben Johnson can actually get him
Speaker 1: to be ninety percent of what his talent suggests that
Speaker 1: he should be, the Bears are going to be good
Speaker 1: for the next decade. Darnald's an amazing story. We were
Speaker 1: talking about this in the show today.
Speaker 3: I said, you see all the time where a great actor,
Speaker 3: Tom Hanks takes a bad movie the Terminal, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: Marlon Brando did that. You'd have you know, on the
Speaker 3: waterfront and he had six bombs. You see great restaurants
Speaker 3: lose a chef, they go from Michelin star to just
Speaker 3: a really good restaurant. You never see terrible hot dog
Speaker 3: and a stick becomes zaggat rated. Like, that's not the
Speaker 3: way it works. There is no terrible to great from actors.
Speaker 3: You're either like straight to video. Lindsay Lohan doesn't become
Speaker 3: Meryl Streep. It doesn't work that way. Except Sam Darnald,
Speaker 3: it's not. Denny was terrible, then he became pretty good
Speaker 3: because Baker won a playoff game and in that year
Speaker 3: had a ninety six passer writing. He was never terrible, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, Daniel Jones got a second contract. D Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones won a playoff game. Sam Darnald was terrible, but
Speaker 1: he also like what did he have forty starts? Thirty
Speaker 1: thirty five, thirty eight starts? Like it wasn't like that
Speaker 1: large of a body of work. He came into the
Speaker 1: league at t one. He was so young to think
Speaker 1: about that. He came into the league. Yeah, four years
Speaker 1: into the league.
Speaker 3: He was younger than guys that were getting drafted, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's I mean that's like, like I think Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence and Michael Pennox are the same age. Like right now,
Speaker 1: it's just like a weird It's like a weird thing
Speaker 1: to have to deal with. And so yeah, like, to me,
Speaker 1: the most interesting part of this is, I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: the Donald story is incredible, and I think, yeah, Seattle
Speaker 1: is the only team in the NFL right now top
Speaker 1: five in offense and top five in defense, Like we
Speaker 1: have to treat them as real. I did not believe
Speaker 1: in that Vikings team last year. I'm just not gonna
Speaker 1: I do believe in this Seahawks team. But I want
Speaker 1: to know what teams are gonna do, Like are the
Speaker 1: Colts not gonna give up on Anthony Richardson, Like obviously
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is working. They just traded for Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 1: They're all in. They'll probably franchise tag Daniel Jones, I
Speaker 1: would imagine. But is the lesson that these teams are
Speaker 1: gonna take from Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield and Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones being like we can't give up on guys like
Speaker 1: we don't have to play them, but we cannot give
Speaker 1: up on talent, Like if we truly believe that there
Speaker 1: is a franchise quarterback in here. It would be it
Speaker 1: would haunt me if I'm a Browns fan to see
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield doing this, or if I'm a Panther fan
Speaker 1: to see Baker Mayfield and Sam and Sam Darnold doing this.
Speaker 1: I don't know how how you go to sleep, go
Speaker 1: to sleep at night?
Speaker 3: Okay, so what a what a Baker and Sam have
Speaker 3: in common? Baker went to Cleveland and then Carolina poorly
Speaker 3: run teams, and then McVeigh said, I like him. Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: Sam jets Carolina. Then Kyle Shanahan's like I like him
Speaker 3: is that it could be in venture capitalism, it can
Speaker 3: be on Wall Street, it can be in sports. The
Speaker 3: smart take from the less skilled and the less smart
Speaker 3: is that the smartest people in the NFL. Dan Neil
Speaker 3: Jones goes from the shipwreck known as the New York
Speaker 3: Giants and Kevin O'Connell in season Vulture circles all take him,
Speaker 3: and then from there Shane Steiken goes, no, all take him.
Speaker 3: Is that there's a handful of super smart offensive guys
Speaker 3: and they look at all these the smart people figure
Speaker 3: out who can play and who can't. And by the way,
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan looked at Mac Jones, shocker, Belichick didn't get him.
Speaker 3: Jacksonville stumbled, oh, what a shock. Shanahan's like, actually, throws
Speaker 3: are really good ball. I think we'll take him. There's
Speaker 3: about eight guys in this league now, maybe ten, but eight,
Speaker 3: and they're really smart. They're with winning organizations. And this
Speaker 3: happens in every walk of life. They go to the
Speaker 3: bad organizations with worst gms, bad scouts, lousy coaches, lousy coordinators,
Speaker 3: scouting directors that are suboptimal, and they just raid them.
Speaker 3: Almost all of these reclamation projects started with bad franchises
Speaker 3: and get picked up by the artist gms in the league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the bad franchises don't believe that they're bad,
Speaker 1: like you know, it's delusional. Like so you're right, But
Speaker 1: Sean McVay can't sign everybody, Kyle Shanahan can't sign everybody,
Speaker 1: like it's some I just I don't know what I think.
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson's a decent example. And listen, Shane Steiken might
Speaker 1: just be an awesome coach, like won eight games and
Speaker 1: nine games with Gardner Minshew and Anthony Richardson and has
Speaker 1: a shot at the one seed with Daniel Jones, right,
Speaker 1: like Shane Steiken might just be the next name that
Speaker 1: we need to include with Andy Reid and McVeigh and
Speaker 1: Shannan is right, it's it's that is that is certainly
Speaker 1: on the board. But then my guess is two years
Speaker 1: from now, Anthony Richardson is still a cult. They'll just
Speaker 1: be like, why I give up on him, Like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll just we'll keep him, We'll keep developing him. We're
Speaker 1: gonna we drafted him fourth overall. He can run like
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, but he's built like Cam Newton, like he's
Speaker 1: got an arm like Herbert, Like, we're gonna just see
Speaker 1: if we can develop him between the years and slow
Speaker 1: the game down for him. So it'll just be interesting
Speaker 1: to me to see if teams, instead of like cutting
Speaker 1: guys loose, be like we'll just we'll sit you for
Speaker 1: a little while, like we're not gonna We're not gonna
Speaker 1: let the Baker Mayfield story happen to us, because it's
Speaker 1: just a painful thing for an organization to go through
Speaker 1: to like to see you you drafted the right guy,
Speaker 1: so it's not and then he's awesome elsewhere so like
Speaker 1: the only It's on you. It's just got to be
Speaker 1: such a shameful feeling for those organizations. The volume