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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Buffalo twenty eight Kansas City twenty one.

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Speaker 3: I looked at this number today. To me, this was

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Speaker 3: this was really the game is that Mahomes was uncomfortable

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Speaker 3: and Josh Allen was really comfortable. He was sacked three times,

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Speaker 3: hit fifteen times. And when Mahomes John doesn't trust his

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Speaker 3: offensive line, it changes, it changes the way he plays,

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Speaker 3: He presses, takes more risks. And I thought the game

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Speaker 3: Josh was really comfortable and Patrick wasn't.

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Speaker 4: I just know this, if the Bills can find a

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Speaker 4: way to play like they do against the Kansas City

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Speaker 4: Chiefs in the regular season in the postseason, they will

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Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl because they thoroughly outplayed him today,

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Speaker 4: outgained to by one hundred yards. We're up double digits

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Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter. I mean it took a fourth

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Speaker 4: and seventeen, which well, only Andy Reid would have a

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Speaker 4: fourth and seventeen play that would come wide open. But listen,

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Speaker 4: that Bills team that we just saw. That team can

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Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl. Yeah, but we see them on

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Speaker 4: a weekly basis now look as good on defense, the

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Speaker 4: pass rush isn't always there. Joey Bosa looked like, I

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Speaker 4: don't know his third year with the Chargers today, so

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Speaker 4: I don't know where that version of the Bills is

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Speaker 4: I mean, Colin, this is now kind of a theme

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Speaker 4: in the first or second round one year, whatever. This

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Speaker 4: With the Patriots, they have an easier schedule than you

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Speaker 4: they keep taking care of business. If they would have

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Speaker 4: Deficis and they've already lost to them, So there was

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, And the other thing that's I mean,

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Speaker 3: So Denver is now on a heater. Denver's nine and

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Speaker 3: But I think the thing that jumped out to me

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Speaker 3: Defensive players, you know they high schoolers, they want to

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Speaker 3: see is the same thing. Defensive players are about wrecking things.

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Speaker 3: And I do think when you take that Buffalo defensive

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Speaker 3: Many of the same players played above what they've been

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I thought that was the difference. I

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Speaker 4: Well, can I piggyback off what you just said about

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Speaker 4: when you watch, you know, guys are much safer. They

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Speaker 4: I think most guys, now, if you're twenty five, you

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Speaker 4: do think if we miked up defensive coordinators, like if

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Speaker 4: before the team came out this week and probably all week,

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Speaker 4: I'm with you. His offensive line was at tatters. You

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Speaker 4: more impact plays on defense. We'll talk about the Steelers, well,

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Speaker 4: what happened today. Their high priced guys, especially upfront, made

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Speaker 3: Well, they were sixty percent on third down. They had

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Speaker 3: I said, I'll take Kansas City. But when these two

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Speaker 3: But I felt like today this was this was Buffalo's

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Speaker 3: So again I watched that game. The intensity felt different today.

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Speaker 3: He is one of the things when I watch, and

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Speaker 3: I would say this. I feel generally Kansas City has

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Speaker 3: Although Kansas City's got overwhelmed today, but that defensive front

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Speaker 3: But Cook playing at this level, Buffalo's got all the ingredients.

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Speaker 4: I would say this too. If Kincaid is going to

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Speaker 4: it's really changed the Bills offense and it's made Joe

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Speaker 4: That's why I think it's fair for JJ McCarthy. The

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Speaker 4: And I'll give JJ credit in the Bears game, he

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Speaker 4: They put in his hands. Great throw, Colin, not a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, when I watched him at Michigan, that was

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Speaker 3: Every Sunday for Brady was great. That Teddy Bruski crew.

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Speaker 4: They had been pretty bad this season, Colin, I mean

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the other or no, twenty four to thirty two,

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Speaker 4: oh for two eighty so he had eight incompletions. I'd

432
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Speaker 4: say the scary thing these last couple of games is

433
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Speaker 4: DeVante has five touchdowns. So when that you figure out

434
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Speaker 4: that report to go along with Puka. Now Pook at

435
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Speaker 4: any moment, you know, take some vicious hits. He runs

436
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 4: guys over. You know, can this guy stay healthy? But

437
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 4: those two guys are on the field right now. They're

438
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Speaker 4: as good of a one to two combos like in

439
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Speaker 4: terms of production and what they bring to the tables,

440
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 4: like chasing Higgins. They're on kind of unstoppable. And the

441
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Speaker 4: one thing with DeVante, he's very comfortable with the high

442
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Speaker 4: end veteran quarterback in his prime with Aaron it's kind

443
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Speaker 4: of starting to feel like that those guys cohesion, especially

444
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Speaker 4: in the in the red zone, has Matt Stafford kind

445
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Speaker 4: of quietly because you know, today I don't think a

446
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 4: lot of people are dialed into the Saints game, right,

447
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 4: But four touchdowns five touchdowns Jack, I think he threw

448
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Speaker 4: three in that loss against the Niners. He's got to

449
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Speaker 4: be directly in the mix.

450
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Speaker 3: So I have said this before. This sounds crazy. So

451
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Speaker 3: he was better than Aaron Rodgers in high school, and

452
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Speaker 3: he was better than Aaron in college, and he was

453
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Speaker 3: better than Aaron for the first four years of his

454
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Speaker 3: NFL career. He's been better than Aaron for the last

455
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Speaker 3: four years of his NFL career. Aaron had a ten

456
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Speaker 3: eleven year stratch at Green Bay, where Matt Stafford was.

457
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Speaker 3: You know, he was with a losing organization and Aaron

458
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 3: had the well run outfit. What if Matt Stafford wins

459
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Speaker 3: another Super Bowl, now, think about that. He's got a

460
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Speaker 3: better playoff record. He was better early, better late. If

461
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Speaker 3: Matt Stafford win, well, he's already a hall I think

462
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Speaker 3: he's a Hall of Famer now right, Matt Stafford's a

463
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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame right now.

464
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Speaker 4: I put him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what if Matt Stafford wins a second Super Bowl?

466
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Speaker 3: He's always been considered one of the best arm talents

467
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Speaker 3: of our generation. That's indisputable. You could ask anybody the

468
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 3: Brady's ask Aaron asked Far they all go, yeah, Stafford's it.

469
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Speaker 3: Where do you put him all the time? Serious question?

470
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Speaker 3: Matt Stafford wins a second Super Bowl? I'm telling you

471
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Speaker 3: there's not a lot of guys I'd put above him.

472
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Speaker 3: I mean, he didn't have he didn't have quite the

473
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Speaker 3: gravitas of your Brady, Montana, Manning, and Elway. But Marino's

474
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Speaker 3: got no super Bowls. He's got two. I don't know

475
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Speaker 3: Stafford is watching him this season? Shit, man, he is.

476
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Speaker 3: He is dialed in, He's comfortable.

477
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

478
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Speaker 3: What do you do with him all time? If he

479
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Speaker 3: wins a second Well.

480
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Speaker 4: To me, it's hard. I mean you could make the argument,

481
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Speaker 4: Aaron's a top five guy, you know, with Manning, Montana,

482
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Speaker 4: Brady Elway, pretty short list to me, I don't think

483
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Speaker 4: most people would include Stafford in the top ten of quarterbacks. Now,

484
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Speaker 4: granted he played for the Lions, not the Dan Campbellions.

485
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Speaker 3: Would you have put him by if he has a

486
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Speaker 3: second Super Bowl. He's a better arm talent than Drew Brees.

487
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Speaker 1: Matt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, there is not if I could get here,

489
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Speaker 4: here's the argument. If you could get twenty three year

490
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Speaker 4: old Matt Stafford or and start listing out quarterbacks, he

491
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Speaker 4: would go ahead of a lot of guys because he's

492
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Speaker 4: showing that. What if Matt Stafford had been drafted by

493
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Speaker 4: a hardball brother an Andy Reid a Sean Payton right

494
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Speaker 4: when he was twenty three, instead of going to the Lions,

495
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Speaker 4: who always drafted high right and they're two best players

496
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Speaker 4: beside him quit at thirty years old. I mean, it's

497
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 4: a pretty the Lions that if you're a twelve year

498
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 4: old kid right now, you can't even comprehend this conversation.

499
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Speaker 4: But I do think that the time with the Lions,

500
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Speaker 4: he has had years where he's thrown a lot of picks,

501
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 4: he can be a little reckless. The way he's playing

502
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 4: right now, though, like his ceiling. One thing I will

503
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 4: say about this, His ceiling is as high as any player.

504
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

505
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Speaker 4: Ever, like he can go toe to toe when he's on.

506
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 4: I say this about Camp. Camp can have individual games

507
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 4: where he can outplay any guy in the league and

508
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 4: that was prime Brady, prime Manning. Now Stafford's a better

509
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Speaker 4: player than Camp but in that same vein of like,

510
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Speaker 4: if you get Stafford in the right day or the

511
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 4: right month, he can just be the best player in

512
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Speaker 4: the league now. And I do think this second kind

513
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Speaker 4: of iteration of his career with Sean is going to

514
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Speaker 4: be a really powerful moment for his career, and he'll

515
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Speaker 4: have like the Kurt Warner type the individual seasons. I

516
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 4: just think it's hard to shake that that lion stretch,

517
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: because well, winning and losing isn't a quarterback statistic. Most

518
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 4: good quarterbacks win a lot. Not all his fault, but

519
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 4: I do think he probably developed some bad habits there.

520
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 3: Let's talk some World series. So that's about as good

521
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Speaker 3: a World Series, especially Game six and seven as I've

522
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Speaker 3: ever seen in my life. So I, you know, I

523
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: thought it was really interesting. You know, Dave Roberts pulled

524
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Speaker 3: all these levers, you know, like he just pulled all

525
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: these levers, and to win a World Series where you know,

526
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 3: he puts in Rojas and then the out the defensive

527
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Speaker 3: outfielder in the ninth and he goes with Yoshi again.

528
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Speaker 3: Everything worked.

529
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Speaker 2: But I think, you know, as I was.

530
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Speaker 3: I was talking to a friend about this, is that Otani,

531
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Speaker 3: Roki and Yoshi, and right now Yoshi is arguably the

532
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Speaker 3: best pitcher, and Otani is the best player. He's been

533
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: moved to the pen. But these Japanese stars and Japanese

534
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 3: baseball is like really high high Triple A. It's not

535
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 3: quite the Bigs, but it's there's great players and it's

536
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 3: a The Dodgers have so separated financially from everybody else

537
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: on I mean on the West coast that I mean,

538
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: they always had money. But the gap now between the

539
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 3: Dodgers and the Giants and everybody else, the Angels and

540
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: the Mariners, is that these Japanese stars, between weather and

541
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Speaker 3: proximity and how well run the organization is. And the

542
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: Dodgers are smart, so they said, listen. The only downside

543
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 3: the taxes just to fer the payment, so you can

544
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 3: get paid when you've retired and lived somewhere else.

545
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Speaker 2: Is that.

546
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: A friend of mine in New York was saying, God,

547
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 3: our teams are bad, but I said, New York is cold,

548
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 3: it's intense, a much harsher media. The city tax La

549
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 3: has spread out. You can hide. I mean, I never

550
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 3: see I was in La nine years. I'm here right now.

551
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: You never see pro athletes in LA. You can just hot.

552
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 3: You never see celebrities in LA, and they're everywhere. There's writers, directors.

553
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 3: I mean, look how many pro teams were in LA.

554
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: You never see athletes ever.

555
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: It's just so spread out.

556
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 3: There's so many gated communities. Calabasa's Hidden Hills, Malibu. You know,

557
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: everybody's got these enclaves, Beverly Hills, bel Air, Windy Roads,

558
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: you can hide thousand oaks. And I think I think

559
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: they I think the Dodgers right now. Steve Cohen's got

560
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: money with the Mets, the Yankees have money. They just

561
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: feel like with these Japanese stars. And you know the

562
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: other thing, John, those guys don't listen to our media.

563
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: It's like international NBA players. They come here, they play,

564
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: and then they go home. They don't get caught up.

565
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: They play. So I mean, Yoshi plays so loose in

566
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Speaker 3: these big spots. He's so unaffected by the intensity and

567
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: the chaos of the World Series. I don't know. I

568
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: just look at the Dodgers and I'm not sure there's

569
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: another organization in North America that's run like they are.

570
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Speaker 4: One of my best friends played college baseball, and one

571
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 4: of his teammates, you know, was like a fringe big leaguer,

572
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 4: triple A guy, and signed a deal with the Japanese

573
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 4: team when Otani right before he came over, when he

574
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 4: was alleged over there, and they went over and visited

575
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Speaker 4: and went to the games, and they were at the

576
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Speaker 4: highest level, and they said that it felt like an

577
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 4: SEC football game. The intensity in the environment in Japan,

578
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: the way these Yamamoto and Otani grew up playing, I

579
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 4: mean they make it right. When they're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen

580
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: years old started playing in that league and they just

581
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: said the intensity of the crowd would be like going

582
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 4: to Alabama Auburn. How much these people know about baseball

583
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 4: and how much they care. So these guys the bright

584
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 4: light's completely unfazed. When Otani was like one of twenty

585
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 4: five through the first whatever of the playoffs, it wasn't

586
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: because he was overwhelmed. He couldn't see the baseball right.

587
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 4: But the difference I would say of baseball, the Warriors

588
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 4: can't win unless Steph is incredible during the playoffs. Right

589
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 4: in the NFL, you could have a random guy make

590
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 4: a big play in a Super Bowl or an NFC championship.

591
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: But your stars, your star quarterback, your star pass rusher

592
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 4: have to come through or you will lose. In baseball,

593
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 4: that's not really how it works. Yeah, I mean I

594
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 4: was a Giants fan. Cody Ross in twenty ten hit

595
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 4: home runs off Roy Halliday that no one saw coming

596
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 4: in Philadelphia. The Dodgers won the World Series last night.

597
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: You could argue because they rolled out four guys they're

598
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 4: paying a combined one point five billion dollars two or

599
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 4: because their ninth hitter in the in the ninth inning

600
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 4: hits a game tying home run where they were going

601
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Speaker 4: to lose the World Series, and then that same guy

602
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 4: almost falls throws home and then their backup center fielder

603
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 4: who had been benched. I'm watching with my wife. She

604
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 4: falls out of her chair.

605
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: She's like, what just happened?

606
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 4: That had to be one of the crazier plays in

607
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 4: World Series because it looked like he was going to

608
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: basket catch it, and this random center fielder tackles him

609
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 4: like he's Ed Reid across the middle and saves the game.

610
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: But that's baseball, it's not. It wasn't no tany hitting.

611
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 4: The walk up Will Smith, Will Smith Rojas and that

612
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: big guy in center field.

613
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and that's.

614
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 4: What makes baseball pretty unique in the playoffs. It's not

615
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: just your stars.

616
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

617
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: And I think and again, even when if you go

618
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: back and look at the great Yankee teams with Jeter

619
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: and Bernie and Posada, you know it was Scott Brocious

620
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: from mcmnville, Oregon coming up big. So like nobody had

621
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: a problem when the Yankees were buying the best players

622
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: because people understood that Posada and Jeter, that was part

623
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: of the Yankee farm system. Well go look at the Dodgers.

624
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: They haven't missed. I mean they they draft I mean

625
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: Max Munsey was released from Oakland. They I think they

626
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: traded for Blake Snell. I mean, these guys are available

627
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: on the market. The Steinbrenners could have afforded to buy Yoshi.

628
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: They spent three hundred million. The Dodgers said three thirty five.

629
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Speaker 3: They don't win the series without him, so they identify

630
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: who they want. They are aggressive. I think we're the

631
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 3: Dodgers where I see their money being an advantage because

632
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: Mookie Betts did not outside of September, just didn't hit

633
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: this year, played a very good short stuff, didn't hit.

634
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: Freddie Freeman's more offensive the defensive player, and Otani had

635
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: real struggles at the plate throughout the playoffs where the

636
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: Dodgers have an advantage a the Asian Stars, obviously, but

637
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: it's to get to get a glass Now or a

638
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: Snell who may not give you a ton of starts

639
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: during the regular season. Most teams cannot afford to pay

640
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: a guy if he's not giving you twenty five. I mean,

641
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: Yoshi's the only guy that he never misses a start,

642
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: like he's a true bona fide ace like Verlin or

643
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: in his prime, you're getting thirty starts. They can go

644
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: get a Snell and a Glass now remarkably talented guys

645
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: and get ten twelve starts in the regular season and

646
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: just push them off to September. That's the advantage they have.

647
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: But you can also lots of teams could defer payments

648
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: and they don't. The Dodgers do. So. Yes, money is

649
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: clearly an ex but I think to your point, Yoshi

650
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: was great, but there were a lot of guys slumping.

651
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back to this World Series,

652
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays out hit the Dodgers, I mean the

653
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: Dodgers in game six to one. I think they had

654
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: four hits. I mean they struggled the whole series to hit.

655
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: I actually think baseball is much closer to football in

656
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: terms of in the Dodgers was two years ago. I

657
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: mean almost got beat by the Padres in the play.

658
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: It's the baseball. I don't care how good your team

659
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 4: is in basketball. When I got the Kevin Durant Warriors,

660
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need Achilles tears and ACL tears to loose.

661
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: Other than that, I'm a lock to win. Shaq, Kobe Laker,

662
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 4: some of these teams, it's gonna be ninety percent chance

663
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: I win. The Dodgers roster can't get much better, and

664
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 4: it was really difficult for them to win. I was

665
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: just say they probably should have lost. You know, that's

666
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 4: that's baseball.

667
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: Though they won a World Series last year with really

668
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: average starting pitching, and they won a World Series this

669
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: year with a really average bullpen, which is verse impossible

670
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: to do if you're leaking in the back end. I mean,

671
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: Yoshi basically is why they won the World Series. But

672
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: I will say, having spent nine years a full time

673
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, they just don't make a lot of mistakes.

674
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: They don't.

675
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: I mean, they let Zach Grinkey go. They could have

676
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: made a big bid for him. He went to Arizona.

677
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 3: They let Manny Machado go. They don't make a lot

678
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 3: of mistakes. And they've also let Cody Bellinger go. They've

679
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 3: let good players, you know, leave. So money's obviously apart,

680
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 3: but you know, I mean the truth is in the

681
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: NBA during the David Stern years, money was a part,

682
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: but the New York Knicks weren't winning. Some people don't

683
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 3: spend the money as wisely. I mean, we know game

684
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: day revenue, the Giants and the Jets have much greater

685
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: game day revenue than green Bay. Green Bay spends their

686
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 3: money more wisely.

687
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 4: When I was working in radio, I got to go

688
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 4: to a lot of the A's were really good then,

689
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: kind of in Billy Bean's prime in thes were winning

690
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 4: a bunch of World Series. And I think sometimes with baseball,

691
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: especially probably over the last decade, it gets overlooked because

692
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 4: we spend so much time talking about these kind of

693
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 4: the quote unquote nerds running the sport. I do think

694
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 4: the best kind of nerds understand character and cohesion, and

695
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: one thing you watch with the Dodgers. Like feels like

696
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 4: all these guys like each other and they had a

697
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: good I would say with the Blue Jays, it jumped

698
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 4: off the screen. It was like this team looks like

699
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 4: a college team all playing together. The San Francsco Giants,

700
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: you always had that Billy Bean always did a really

701
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 4: good job of finding the right mix of guys. Baseball

702
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 4: is about more and you watch the Yankees, it seems

703
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 4: like missing a little something that's the knock, Like at

704
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: the end of the day in baseball, you still got

705
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: to have some fast guys.

706
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 1: That can run.

707
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 4: And you watch the Dodgers. Definitely the Blue Jays, they

708
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 4: got their best players are athletes. The Yankees are a

709
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: good example. Their best players all look like, you know,

710
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 4: move like defensive tackles. It's like you doesn't need a

711
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 4: little speech.

712
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: Well, the Yankees strike out too much. They don't play

713
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 3: small ball. The Dodgers have the ability to. I mean, listen,

714
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: Toronto hit the ball more consistently. The Dodgers had the

715
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: better starting pitching. I mean, if you go back to

716
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: the last year's World Series, the only time the Yankees

717
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 3: competed with the Dodgers is when Garrett Cole pitched, the

718
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: Yankees didn't look athletic enough, didn't run the bases. Well,

719
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 3: they're not a very good defensive team. The Yankees strikeout

720
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: too much, and they have tons of money, so you know,

721
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I think.

722
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 4: That's one of the most thrilling endings to a World

723
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 4: Series all.

724
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 3: I think Game six, in Game seven, the final innings

725
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: are the greatest, most drama field. You have to go

726
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,479
Speaker 3: back to the seventy five I think it was seventy

727
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 3: five World Series. It was Reds against the Red Sox.

728
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: It's that Carlton fiskomer at Fenway where he's you know, yeah,

729
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 3: waving at it, and I remember watching that as a kid.

730
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the first baseball memory I have is

731
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: like the seventy four, seventy five, seventy six Cincinnati Reds

732
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 3: because I was in Seattle, we didn't have the Mariners yet,

733
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: and that's when I fell in love with football over baseball.

734
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: But the mid seventies, the big Red Machine, I fell

735
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 3: in love with it, and that had I mean, I

736
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: can go back to that series. Names that you guys

737
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: you've never heard, but I thought the magnitude it was

738
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: just so I mean, you had Dave Roberts had to

739
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: pull so many damn levers, you know, going with Rojas

740
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: like old guy. I'm not even sure when his last

741
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: home run was. Dave Roberts said after his wife kept

742
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: telling Rojas the whole series, you're going to hit a

743
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: home run in this series. You are, And he's like,

744
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 3: I'm not playing, I'm not kidding up. She's like, you're

745
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: going to hit a home run tonight. So I just

746
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 3: thought it was It was just everything. The announcing the

747
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: imagery Fox the Blue Jays, I mean Blue Jays over

748
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: under was like seventy eight and a half. Talk about

749
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: a team that just mashed and overachieved.

750
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: Good for them.

751
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: Let's pivot now to the Bears. Sure they got the

752
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 3: coach in the quarterback, the defense stinks. We still don't

753
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: like the owner, the front office. I doubt I love

754
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 3: the coach. The quarterbacks super talented. There's a lot that they're

755
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: not doing right, like a political party. The Bears now

756
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: lead the NFL in big plays. That's good for me,

757
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: and isn't it. They're a flawed team from ownership down.

758
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: But they got the two things that appears right.

759
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's no question. I mean the one I always

760
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: say is it's a fun turn of phrase. Is like

761
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: the Bengals were the Bungles until they got Joe Burrow.

762
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: You know, the Chiefs didn't win a single game with

763
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: the quarterback they drafted since Todd Blackledge and then it

764
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: was Patrick Mahomes, you know, So like it can change

765
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: on a dime. And I find it to be amazing

766
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: that the Bears are fourth and rushing fourth in yards,

767
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: sixth and scoring crazy back in and explosive plays, and

768
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: everyone's like, is Caleb good? I'm like, listen, and by

769
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: the way, to be fair, to be fair as someone

770
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: who's watched every snap of every game closer than any

771
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: team in the NFL, like they got some of those

772
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: numbers got fat against Dallas and Cincinnati, objectively true. And

773
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: some of the explosive play stuff is running game based,

774
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: and they've been much better running out of the by Washington,

775
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: New Orleans, Baltimore and then the game last week. But

776
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: so it's not all because of Caleb. Caleb's not playing

777
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: as well as Drake Many. Caleb's not playing as well

778
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: as Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. But if you told

779
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: me twenty five games into his career, on his third

780
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: play caller and second head coach, that they would have,

781
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: by the numbers, a top ten offense and a winning

782
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: record in year two. One hundred percent of Bears fans

783
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: would have signed up for it.

784
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: That's what I always tell whenever my wife's, you know,

785
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 3: getting a little concerned about our kids. I'm like, if

786
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 3: i'd have told you twenty years ago when we met,

787
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: none of them would be in jail, none would have

788
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: a drug problem, We'd have a vacation home and a

789
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: nice house, and our kids would still call us. Would

790
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 3: you have signed up for it? Yes, then don't worry

791
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 3: about tomorrow. It's all good. Think about this. So my

792
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: take is every NFL offense as a whole. Let me

793
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: give an example. I'm gonna give you the best offenses

794
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 3: in the NFL two weeks ago. What you thought Green

795
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: Bay today? They have no offensive identity. These are the

796
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: better offenses the Rams Pukazoa was hurt and Stafford has

797
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 3: no mobility. Philadelphia depends on the game in the half.

798
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: Denver terrible offense for three quarters every single game. San

799
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 3: Francisco battle line totally Christian McCaffrey dependent. Indianapolis. Does anybody

800
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: like Daniel Jones. I just named the good offenses in

801
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: the NFL, right right. So the truth is, we pay

802
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: so much attention to offense, Danny, and I'm guilty of this.

803
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: We nitpick the Bears, big plays, run the ball, well coached, taken, no.

804
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: Doubt, no doubt, and and I have I came into

805
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: the year with optimism, but with zero percent like they're

806
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: a contender or they're gonna win the Super Bowl. So

807
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 1: to me, this season has been it's been a little

808
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: bit of a heart attack inducing. I might say some

809
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: things during these Bear games that if like anyone other

810
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: than like Nick right was next to me, I'd be like,

811
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: that might get me canceled. Uh you know what I mean.

812
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: Like it's a stressful watch. But I have no illusions

813
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: that this is a great team. Like the defense is flawed,

814
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: the quarterback is young, it's a new system that they've got.

815
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: They've had serious left tackle questions. Their two best cornerbacks

816
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: are hurt. We don't know if Jalen Johnson is coming

817
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: back like this year, he'll come back eventually, obviously, Like

818
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: they're not gonna win the Super Bowl. They probably won't

819
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, though they might we'll see because weird

820
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: things happen in the NFL. But again, like, do you

821
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: have the coaching quarterback? I can work with that. Yeah.

822
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: Because they also it's not just like they got a

823
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: lot of talent. I hear this all the time, like, oh,

824
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: Doonsay is talented? Loveland is talented. They're right. Tackle Darnell

825
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 1: right looks like a stud for you.

826
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: Andre Swift is an excellent top twelve back.

827
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, manung guy who has been has been great the

828
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: last you know, game and a half since Swift has

829
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: been hurt. Looks looks good that they they have pieces,

830
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: they have talent, and they are clearly on the up

831
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: and up. And Caleb he gives them a ceiling that

832
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: feels kind of limitless because of how crazy the physical

833
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: talent is. Like if Ben Johnson can actually get him

834
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: to be ninety percent of what his talent suggests that

835
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: he should be, the Bears are going to be good

836
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: for the next decade. Darnald's an amazing story. We were

837
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: talking about this in the show today.

838
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: I said, you see all the time where a great actor,

839
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: Tom Hanks takes a bad movie the Terminal, and you're like, oh,

840
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: Marlon Brando did that. You'd have you know, on the

841
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 3: waterfront and he had six bombs. You see great restaurants

842
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: lose a chef, they go from Michelin star to just

843
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: a really good restaurant. You never see terrible hot dog

844
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: and a stick becomes zaggat rated. Like, that's not the

845
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 3: way it works. There is no terrible to great from actors.

846
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 3: You're either like straight to video. Lindsay Lohan doesn't become

847
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 3: Meryl Streep. It doesn't work that way. Except Sam Darnald,

848
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 3: it's not. Denny was terrible, then he became pretty good

849
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: because Baker won a playoff game and in that year

850
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: had a ninety six passer writing. He was never terrible, right.

851
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Daniel Jones got a second contract. D Daniel

852
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: Jones won a playoff game. Sam Darnald was terrible, but

853
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: he also like what did he have forty starts? Thirty

854
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: thirty five, thirty eight starts? Like it wasn't like that

855
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: large of a body of work. He came into the

856
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: league at t one. He was so young to think

857
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: about that. He came into the league. Yeah, four years

858
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Speaker 1: into the league.

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Speaker 3: He was younger than guys that were getting drafted, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And that's I mean that's like, like I think Trevor

861
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: Lawrence and Michael Pennox are the same age. Like right now,

862
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: it's just like a weird It's like a weird thing

863
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: to have to deal with. And so yeah, like, to me,

864
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: the most interesting part of this is, I mean, obviously

865
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: the Donald story is incredible, and I think, yeah, Seattle

866
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: is the only team in the NFL right now top

867
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: five in offense and top five in defense, Like we

868
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: have to treat them as real. I did not believe

869
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: in that Vikings team last year. I'm just not gonna

870
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: I do believe in this Seahawks team. But I want

871
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: to know what teams are gonna do, Like are the

872
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: Colts not gonna give up on Anthony Richardson, Like obviously

873
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is working. They just traded for Sauce Gardner.

874
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: They're all in. They'll probably franchise tag Daniel Jones, I

875
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: would imagine. But is the lesson that these teams are

876
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna take from Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield and Daniel

877
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: Jones being like we can't give up on guys like

878
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: we don't have to play them, but we cannot give

879
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: up on talent, Like if we truly believe that there

880
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: is a franchise quarterback in here. It would be it

881
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: would haunt me if I'm a Browns fan to see

882
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield doing this, or if I'm a Panther fan

883
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: to see Baker Mayfield and Sam and Sam Darnold doing this.

884
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how how you go to sleep, go

885
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: to sleep at night?

886
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Speaker 3: Okay, so what a what a Baker and Sam have

887
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: in common? Baker went to Cleveland and then Carolina poorly

888
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 3: run teams, and then McVeigh said, I like him. Okay, okay,

889
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: Sam jets Carolina. Then Kyle Shanahan's like I like him

890
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: is that it could be in venture capitalism, it can

891
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 3: be on Wall Street, it can be in sports. The

892
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: smart take from the less skilled and the less smart

893
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: is that the smartest people in the NFL. Dan Neil

894
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: Jones goes from the shipwreck known as the New York

895
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: Giants and Kevin O'Connell in season Vulture circles all take him,

896
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: and then from there Shane Steiken goes, no, all take him.

897
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: Is that there's a handful of super smart offensive guys

898
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: and they look at all these the smart people figure

899
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 3: out who can play and who can't. And by the way,

900
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan looked at Mac Jones, shocker, Belichick didn't get him.

901
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: Jacksonville stumbled, oh, what a shock. Shanahan's like, actually, throws

902
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 3: are really good ball. I think we'll take him. There's

903
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: about eight guys in this league now, maybe ten, but eight,

904
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: and they're really smart. They're with winning organizations. And this

905
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: happens in every walk of life. They go to the

906
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: bad organizations with worst gms, bad scouts, lousy coaches, lousy coordinators,

907
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: scouting directors that are suboptimal, and they just raid them.

908
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 3: Almost all of these reclamation projects started with bad franchises

909
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: and get picked up by the artist gms in the league.

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00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the bad franchises don't believe that they're bad,

911
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: like you know, it's delusional. Like so you're right, But

912
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: Sean McVay can't sign everybody, Kyle Shanahan can't sign everybody,

913
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Speaker 1: like it's some I just I don't know what I think.

914
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson's a decent example. And listen, Shane Steiken might

915
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: just be an awesome coach, like won eight games and

916
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: nine games with Gardner Minshew and Anthony Richardson and has

917
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: a shot at the one seed with Daniel Jones, right,

918
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: like Shane Steiken might just be the next name that

919
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: we need to include with Andy Reid and McVeigh and

920
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: Shannan is right, it's it's that is that is certainly

921
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Speaker 1: on the board. But then my guess is two years

922
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: from now, Anthony Richardson is still a cult. They'll just

923
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Speaker 1: be like, why I give up on him, Like, well,

924
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Speaker 1: we'll just we'll keep him, We'll keep developing him. We're

925
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: gonna we drafted him fourth overall. He can run like

926
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, but he's built like Cam Newton, like he's

927
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: got an arm like Herbert, Like, we're gonna just see

928
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: if we can develop him between the years and slow

929
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: the game down for him. So it'll just be interesting

930
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: to me to see if teams, instead of like cutting

931
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Speaker 1: guys loose, be like we'll just we'll sit you for

932
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: a little while, like we're not gonna We're not gonna

933
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Speaker 1: let the Baker Mayfield story happen to us, because it's

934
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: just a painful thing for an organization to go through

935
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: to like to see you you drafted the right guy,

936
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Speaker 1: so it's not and then he's awesome elsewhere so like

937
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: the only It's on you. It's just got to be

938
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Speaker 1: such a shameful feeling for those organizations. The volume