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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Koran Grilloback with us. Psychotherapist, spiritual teacher, channeler and expert

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Speaker 2: in mystical experiences and spiritual awakening. Koran has helped thousands

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Speaker 2: of seekers, creators, and leaders activate their spiritual power, transform

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Speaker 2: their lives, and ignite their souls deeper calling. Her latest

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Speaker 2: work is called Angel Wealth Magic. She else wrote a

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Speaker 2: book in twenty nineteen called The Angel Experiment, a twenty

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Speaker 2: one day magical adventure to heal your life. Koran, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Have you been.

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Speaker 3: I've been pretty good, George, doing my best over here.

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Speaker 4: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great in Saint Louis. About to go to Charlotte,

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Speaker 2: North Carolina for a life stage. Soauvin, we've got to

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Speaker 2: get you to one of those.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I'd love to. That would be so fun.

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Speaker 2: You're on the West coast, right, I'm.

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Speaker 5: On the West coast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But you know I can get into plane and go.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm ready to go. I'm growing to go,

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Speaker 3: I'm getting I'm getting wild. In my older age is

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Speaker 3: what I'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying, the angels are watching you.

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Speaker 3: That's right, I'm a free bird. I just got back

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Speaker 3: from New York with my family. That was really nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how did you get involved in angelic stories?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, it's it's the angels came

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Speaker 3: upon me. It was an unsuspecting turn of events. And

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Speaker 3: you know, at the time, I was a psychotherapist and

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Speaker 3: you know, by all standards, living the average life, except

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Speaker 3: for I was severely.

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Speaker 5: Depressed and and.

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Speaker 3: I had struggled with depression my whole life.

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Speaker 5: But it was.

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Speaker 3: I my friend bought me an angel reading, and I

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Speaker 3: thought it was just going to be like, oh, let's

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Speaker 3: go talk to a psychic, and I in one hour,

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Speaker 3: I left feeling a lighter, brighter. It was like the

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Speaker 3: first time. I remember the next morning, it was the

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Speaker 3: first time I did not wish that that day would

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Speaker 3: be my last. If I could be frank with you,

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Speaker 3: since I was eighteen, I always kind of had a

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Speaker 3: bit of a death wish, and so it was Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so by calling in the angels. So she told me

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Speaker 3: at the end of at the end of that session,

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Speaker 3: she said, talk to the angels as if they're real,

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Speaker 3: because you have a lot of angels and they want

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Speaker 3: to get your attention, and I said, okay, I'll do that.

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Speaker 3: So I started talking to the angels and then within

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Speaker 3: a few days I witnessed just a massive miracle. Essentially,

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Speaker 3: I prayed for a bird.

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Speaker 5: I asked the.

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Speaker 3: Angels to come to to help it. It had a

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Speaker 3: broken wing, and I witnessed it divide into three tiny

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Speaker 3: healthy birds and fly away, George, And so that's that's

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Speaker 3: when I knew that angels were real. And look, I'm

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Speaker 3: a grounded, rational person. I didn't really come from a

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Speaker 3: religious background. I cuss all the time, you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: just like salt of the earth, even just doing my

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Speaker 3: best right to survive. And then when I saw this,

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Speaker 3: it was the magic of the moment. In witnessing this,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't just you know, another like flashback. It was

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Speaker 3: it was so powerful. I could feel the presence is

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Speaker 3: the thing, George. Like I could feel the tingles all

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Speaker 3: over me, wash all over me, and like my hair

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Speaker 3: felt staticky. And the power of the love is what

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Speaker 3: was really breathtaking. It wasn't just the visual, it was

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Speaker 3: the love. And then it was the quality of my

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Speaker 3: heart and how it changed after that and then after that,

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Speaker 3: I could hear the voice of something that finally wasn't

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Speaker 3: every day. It was a sweet voice, and it had hope.

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Speaker 5: It wanted me to.

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Speaker 3: Do weird things, better things, fun things, out of the

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Speaker 3: box things, and eventually led me into speaking about angels

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Speaker 3: out loud publicly because I had angel shame for the

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Speaker 3: first couple of years and I didn't even tell anybody

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Speaker 3: what had happened, although the personal revolution was becoming very

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Speaker 3: abilities and healing abilities. So I started bringing those things

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Speaker 3: into my one on one practice with my clients, because

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Speaker 3: my clients, you know, they thought, you know, I was

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Speaker 3: already like a pretty pretty badass therapist.

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Speaker 5: But then you know, you don't want to mess with that.

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Speaker 3: Could you spend tens of thousands of dollars on a

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Speaker 3: license so like enter angels. It's like a really awkward position,

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Speaker 3: and you don't you don't don't want to like mess

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Speaker 3: with all of your licensure, and the board is it's

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Speaker 3: hard to explain, but I hope, I hope you pick

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Speaker 3: up when I'm You're picking up what I'm putting down.

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Speaker 5: George.

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Speaker 2: It's truly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awkward, but you know, as someone sitting in

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Speaker 3: there in front of me, suffering, I would feel the

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Speaker 3: presence come in, the love start cascading into the room,

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Speaker 3: and then I would try to just be like angels,

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Speaker 5: You just wait, I'm trying to work here.

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Speaker 3: But eventually I realized, like, okay, I'm just gonna have

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Speaker 5: So then I would say to my clients, all right,

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Speaker 5: we got some.

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Speaker 3: I know this is awkward, but we have some. I'm

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Speaker 3: just gonna call them angels and there might be a message,

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Speaker 3: would you like to hear it? And so no one

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Speaker 3: ever said no, and it didn't matter. It just didn't matter.

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Speaker 3: It didn't matter if they were atheists, agnostic, they could

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Speaker 3: have been Satanists.

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Speaker 5: They would have said yes.

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Speaker 3: Everyone says yes to hearing a message from their angels.

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Speaker 3: And that's because there's something inside of us, even if

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Speaker 3: want to receive this love that has been given to

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Speaker 3: each of us. And that's what I didn't freaking know.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that everybody has a right to it.

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Speaker 3: That we do not have to be religious, We do

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Speaker 3: And some people call them angels. Other people might call

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Speaker 3: them ancestors. It doesn't matter what we call them, as

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Speaker 3: long as we call them. Because miracles are real. And

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Speaker 3: that first miracle I just told you about, George, that

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Speaker 3: was just the first of many miracles I've witnessed now

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Speaker 3: after touching tens of thousands of people's lives around the

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Speaker 3: It's it's the most practical, amazing encounter of my life.

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Speaker 3: I've had many more amazing encounters since then, but that

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you that interesting story. Cord there was

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Speaker 2: having a little appetizers with a buddy of mine and

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Speaker 2: he said, who do you got on the show today?

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Speaker 2: So I talked about our first two hour guests. I said,

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Speaker 2: g Edward girlfriend talking about the Federal Reserve and stuff.

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Speaker 2: And then I said, and then I've got an angel

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Speaker 2: lady coming on named corn Grillo coming on for the

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Speaker 2: second half. Just as I said that, three birds landed

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Speaker 2: I'm in Saint Louis. It was almost eighty degrees today.

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Speaker 2: It was gorgeous out.

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Speaker 2: Three birds? And I'm saying to myself, I have never

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Speaker 2: seen three little birds together, almost like a team. And

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Speaker 2: they landed just as I mentioned your name. They landed

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Speaker 2: And yeah? And then they flew off.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, you're making me cry, George again.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god?

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Speaker 5: Is this is this for?

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Speaker 3: It's for It's for all of us, you guys, It's

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Speaker 3: always for all of us.

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Speaker 5: That's that's right.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned your name and three birds, and you just

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Speaker 5: It's just to me.

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Speaker 3: This is what I've learned, is that when we start

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Speaker 3: sharing our unique experiences, just like you shared today, you

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Speaker 3: know you you're willing to share. You know, that's a

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Speaker 3: strange coincidence, but it's for all of us that they're

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Speaker 3: really here, they're really present, and when you have the

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Speaker 3: eyes to see, you begin seeing just like you did.

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Speaker 3: You see the connections, and you you follow the trail

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Speaker 3: of beauty as opposed to the trail of distortion.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating, it really is.

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Speaker 3: I can't even believe that, George. That's like, Okay, I

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Speaker 3: need to I need to be laying down. I'm in

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Speaker 2: I'll have to shout into the phone to wake you up.

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Speaker 2: All right. How many people have guardian angels that come

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's an interesting question, Okay, guardian angels.

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Speaker 5: It's not necessarily just about coming to the rescue. I

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Speaker 3: Say every person as not just the guardian angel. When

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Speaker 3: most people think of Guardian angels, they think of them

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Speaker 3: very like like kind of kind of scrubbed down. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Guardian angels are potent, like essentially fire beings.

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Speaker 3: Warriors, and not just warriors. It's just a very powerful presence,

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Speaker 3: and everyone has one, and not all of us need rescuing.

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Speaker 3: That's not why we came here. We didn't come here

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Speaker 3: fullness of like separation and all of this weird stuff

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Speaker 3: we do on the planet. We came here to learn,

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Speaker 3: to grow, and to discover love in an entirely new way.

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Speaker 3: We came here to collaborate and to to learn how

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Speaker 3: to respect each other's differences and learning learn.

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Speaker 5: How to you know, we just learn. We all we

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Speaker 5: just came here to learn and play and and just

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Speaker 5: torture each other with our.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculousness, but also love each other super hard, and love

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Speaker 3: the planet and spirit super hard. So so so sometimes

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Speaker 3: an angel may intervene, but I like to see these

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Speaker 3: holy Guardian Angels as activators. I have a clearly controversial

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Speaker 3: view of what they could because the thing I feel

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Speaker 3: that works the best is looking at your guardian angel

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Speaker 3: as your beloved, like your most ultimate beloved, your most

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Speaker 3: delicious counterpart. So someone that like a being that would

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Speaker 3: just make you swoon. I don't know if you have

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Speaker 3: any mythical creatures that you watch on TV.

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Speaker 5: Like, you know, you're like, wow, that elf is just.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, so I find that it's the the the

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Speaker 4: like you're dating or flirting, that that is the kind.

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Speaker 3: Of chemistry or the magnetism that really brings you into contact.

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Speaker 3: And not just that, but also child like wonder and awe,

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Speaker 3: like a child's heart, folk that don't take themselves so seriously.

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Speaker 3: That can kind of put you into the field of

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Speaker 3: Sometimes a lot of times they step in, but we

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Speaker 2: Fascinating. Now you have said all along that angels are

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Speaker 3: Yes, they are initiators. If you even just think about

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Speaker 3: It's a magical playground, Groundville.

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Speaker 3: Angels are I think we have a we have a

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Speaker 3: are not just fuzzy little kittens. They are powerful beings

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Speaker 3: And so I like to think of them as different

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Speaker 5: They're everywhere.

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Speaker 3: And so there's a reason why there's always an angel

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Speaker 3: Mary you know you have a Messiah in your belly. Right,

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Speaker 3: It's like there's the angels are there at the edge

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Speaker 3: So the difference between just to just to be clear,

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Speaker 3: someone who needs to experiment, needs to have the experience themselves.

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Speaker 3: They want direct communion with the Creator. They want to

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Speaker 6: Know so.

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Speaker 3: That that experienced that mystical union.

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Speaker 3: I do want to say the mystical route is one

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Speaker 2: Well, we're talking about angels not being just helpers but initiators.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so they can initiate you into your next phase

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Speaker 3: And we've all heard a lot of terms about, oh,

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Speaker 3: bad way. I'm just saying the ones that don't root there,

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Speaker 3: think that's like that. Even the New Age it's it's

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Speaker 3: all all of that stuff is old age that we've

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Speaker 3: new about mediumship. That's ancestor work. That's like indigenous work.

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Speaker 3: And we're all kind of from the lands, and spirit

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Speaker 6: So, uh yeah, have you have you seen the movie

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Speaker 6: It's a Wonderful life. I have It's one of my

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Speaker 6: favorites with Jimmy Stewart, where an angel named Clarence is

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Speaker 6: sent down to earn his wings, but he's got to

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Speaker 6: watched this movie. You'll never forget it, and you'll watch

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Speaker 6: it every year during Christmas.

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Speaker 2: And she was right. She's ninety six, and I still

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Speaker 2: watch this thing.

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Speaker 5: So sweet. Oh my gosh, that is so sweet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I truly I don't know where I

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Speaker 3: I well, I have an idea of where I might

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Speaker 3: because in my case.

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Speaker 5: For sure, it was either a rescue.

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Speaker 3: I like to think of it as like just a cosmic,

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Speaker 2: Do our loved ones become angel? Or is that something

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Speaker 3: No, well, I don't think it's something totally different at all. Well,

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Speaker 3: the word angel comes from the Greek angelus, and you

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Speaker 5: But I feel like there's different realms.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they're from just one realm.

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Speaker 3: So when I think of the traditional angels, I think

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Speaker 3: also angels their guides there. We have so many helpers,

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Speaker 3: like our creator has in every direction around us. Was

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Speaker 3: there's a messenger there.

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