WEBVTT - Hater Season: Caleb Wilson, Juniper and Arif Hasan 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:05.040 Media. You. 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:09.440 Wow, you run a tech podcast and we're we're talking 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:13.239 about how everything's getting bad. Yet you rely on the 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:17.080 technology today, that the cloud based technology. You don't like backups, 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.680 you don't like recording on your own personal device. It's 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.080 like you don't like owning anything. It's like you don't 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:23.000 like owning anything. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.360 Well, this is great. So I was trying to read 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.800 the intro to my show Better Offline, but Juniper has 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.560 decided that she will be leading us in today. Welcome 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.240 to Better Offline. That's one of my very rude guests, 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.840 Juniper from Kill the Computer, who is here with her 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:07.560 much less rude co host Caleb. Caleb, thank you for 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:08.119 joining us. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:08.240 Far. 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.000 Yes, yeah, it's a competition, and of course we've got 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:17.800 a Refasan from Wide Left, the Football podcast plus newsletter. Well, 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.120 we've come in. I brought out one together today just 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.200 to complain, and I'm going to complain about the fact 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.440 that my microphone just fell over perfect, which is annoying. 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.960 I also want to complain I wasn't given the opportunity 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.120 to invest in something called Gary's List, which is Gary 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.120 Tan who currently runs y Combinator, says we're starting a 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:40.480 citizens union for radical centrism. We approved. Local politics is 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.720 wootable in San Francisco. Now we're building the community to 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.639 do everywhere news, commentary, and accountability for policies that affect 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.000 California and our society. And I'm just going to say, 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.520 go fuck yourself, Gary if you say, if you write 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.360 the words radical centrism, horrible. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.559 Man. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:01:59.880 I just love the status quo. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.040 So I've actually been looking into I've been learning a 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.840 little bit about this guy recently, and like hy Combinator, I, 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.440 I primarily be like by proxy of finding out about 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.359 this place in San Francisco called Epic Church. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.320 Are you familiar with this? 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.720 I'm immediately sold. It's it's really epic. It's it's bacon, 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:26.920 it's it's yeah, that's all that stuff. But no, basically 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:32.079 it's this this tech positive church, like basically an evangelical 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:36.560 church for tech minded people. Uh, and like founders in 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.320 the in the Bay Area. So like people like Trace, 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.880 uh what's the name Tray Stevens go there, Gary Tan 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.760 goes there. All these like weird fucking awful type people 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.440 like Peter Teal. I swear to God, I I am 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.920 not shinny you. Peter Teal is like one of the 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.240 thought leaders of the type of people there, like. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.720 They like, how are we spelling thought actually. 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:57.560 Thought h. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.680 Yeah, but no, it's like the worst kind of person 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:11.000 in the tech world getting evangelical. Like they're like, this 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:12.480 is actually where. 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.640 Peter Chield got the idea to like create cliviculars. I 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.840 need a new Holy. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:22.720 He is there, Jesus Christ clvicular is there their Virgin's 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:24.640 birth Christ now. 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.280 But it's like a whole thing now, right where like 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.000 people who were like typically associated with movements that might 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.720 be humanist or atheist or whatever you want to call it, 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.720 have like because they're old white men have turned into 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:45.200 like embracing some version of Christianity, right, Like even Richard Dawkins, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:49.160 like the Atheist Supreme or whatever the hat he wears. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.440 He's like, well, I'm a cultural Christian and like all 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.440 of them have just been moving more. 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.080 Cultural Christians just being American. 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:02.400 I yes, I look, he's a piece of shit and 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.480 anyway he can kind of communicate that. I think you'll 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:10.120 take those opportunities. But like the Tech God Church feels 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:11.920 perfect to that. 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:13.400 I don't know, I feel like. 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.320 We've used the meme U don't create the tournament nexus 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.680 like way too often. But it just like every time 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.800 you explained something new about what's happening in the world, 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.479 like some tech billionaire has read something from a sci 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.440 fi novel and it has taken like the wrong lesson 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.120 from it, like again in again time, like oh, yeah, 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.480 we've started a church to worship technology. 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.320 Oh literally, best example of this, sorry, you can go 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.200 go on, best example of this. Just because he's been 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.560 on my mind a lot recently and I read a 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.599 lot about his antichrist like tour that he's been doing. 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.760 But Peter Tiel, he read the philosopher Rene's Gerrard and 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:57.039 he came away with the exact opposite interpretation. I think 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.480 of what you're supposed to take away from this philosopher, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.360 which is that like society and powerful people use scapegoats 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:08.479 to uh like political scapegoats to put blame on certain 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.800 people to get whatever political end that you want. And 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.560 that's like a cautionary tale. It's like a cautionary tale 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:20.560 against scapegoats. Yeah, Peter Tiel, He's like, wait, but skatecoats 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.360 are kind of goaded though, like literally like we can 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:24.720 use them to our advantage. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.400 Is this a bad time for me to announce that 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.360 I'm launching my new company that's called The Ring from 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:31.000 Lord of their. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:38.120 Rings, the One Ring. And you're partnering with uh surveillance company. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:39.720 You're partnering with Palantariah. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.680 Yeah. Under under my company, all the surveillance companies will unite. 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.760 Here's the thing with this, this Gary's List thing. I've 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:52.000 been clicking around. He writes so often, like can he 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.440 posts like an oracle a day, So this is a 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.120 blog that he runs. I guess as well as that. 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.760 But also it's not like Emily's List for perverts, like 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:01.760 what is Gary's List? 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:07.000 It's it appears to be a blog in which he complains, okay, 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:12.479 we need we need more complaining, but also a degree 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:17.880 of it's like complaining but also saying he cares about centrism. 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.800 And then he's like a, I just thought it sim 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:25.000 City in four days without reading the fucking just what 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:26.760 makes more gun in my mouth? 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.400 Is just like he's attempting to wrangle Andrew Yang as 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:31.159 like a guest poster. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:36.000 So I just don't know what possible, Like. 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.599 I'm still still on the list. Idea, why is it 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.360 called list? I'm actually kind of mad about this. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:47.200 It's a list of his posts, like that appears to 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:52.880 be it. I just this guy is a billionaire. Yeah, 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.240 I assume that means he has tens of millions of 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.880 dollars liquid. You could do so much with that. You 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:04.000 can through pretty much anything. You could have your favorite 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:08.279 chef Mike and Mayo. I assume you eat those, and 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.800 you could have your favorite band playing at the same 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.560 time wherever you want it to in the world. And 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:16.520 you're like, no, I need to make fucking blog for centrism. Yeah, 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:20.600 let's like protect centrism from from something. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.800 It looks like he's the very anti union. He is. 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.080 He's complaining about in one of these articles about how 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.120 thirty thousand kids are pawns in a union war that 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.840 won't even help the teachers there. 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.880 Yeah, no, he is. It's exactly. He's the kind of guy. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:37.800 But that's the thing is, like every I feel like, 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.480 not you know, maybe not every but like the majority 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:45.200 of the most influential tech uh tech Silicon Valley person 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:49.080 these days are turning to evangelical religion. They complain about 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.640 how there's not enough centrism in the world today while 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.440 they benish it and like simultaneously they benefit and work 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.520 with the Trump administration, So like, what do you what 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.600 are they what are they even complaining about at the 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:01.280 end of the day, And. 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:01.720 What do they mean? 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.960 Yeah, what do they even really mean? I think they 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.200 just mean that they don't like. Really, what I think 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.520 it is is, I think they just don't like that 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.160 people don't like them as much as people used to people. 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.560 These people are mad that no one's really following following 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.280 for the the like AI grift of like, oh, it's 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.200 going to simultaneously AI is going to replace all of 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:24.560 our jobs but simultaneously make the world a better place. Like, 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.160 no one's really following for that, And I think they're 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.720 mad about that. I think these people are genuinely upset. 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.280 AI is in its gentleman science era. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.800 What the fuck does that? What do you mean? What 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:36.720 do you mean science? 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.640 It's a four minute read from Gary Tan who come 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:46.400 on who? Okay, So it's beautiful because all of the 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.520 all of the images in this article are obviously AI generated, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.760 as for all of these articles, right, because if you're 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.679 gonna have an ethos being a cheap piece of shit, 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:59.520 you might as well embrace it. But in it it 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:04.160 has a jar labeled maple syrup. Yeah, what is and 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:05.760 what is in the no idea? 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.560 What is in the jar? But it is not maple yrup. 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.360 Will include a link to this because it is just 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.840 it's wonderful because it's just a bucket with maple syrup 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:18.079 in it. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.400 I assume rings or gaskets or something. 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.319 This is what it looks like. That's what it looks like. 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:28.840 It has like some carrots in it. I don't know. 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.160 Dr of this article is LMS have reset the reset 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.959 the research game. The biggest breakthrough is the simple ideas 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:40.080 anyone can try, and the easy questions haven't been answered yet, 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.760 to which I say, what the fuck are you talking about? 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:44.120 What do you mean? 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.760 The biggest breakthrough the simple ideas, but the easy questions 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:48.840 haven't been answered yet? 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.240 Come on, what dot mean? 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.800 I don't know. I just this guy's a billionaire. He 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:59.760 could do anything, like you can hire a good writer, like, 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:00.760 for example. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:05.440 I can't get over the idea that the gentleman's issue 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.520 is that science is too hard. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.000 Like, well, I mean that is kind of the issue 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:12.079 of science in general. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:16.480 Well that's a good thing, though, It's like we've gotten 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.600 past the part of science that is easy, which means 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.760 we have made advancements, and you have to study science 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:23.320 to be good. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.120 I don't this feels what the fuck are we doing? 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.840 He wants every dope to be able to advance the field, 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.040 which like, I guess. 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.120 What science in the hands of adult like me, I'm 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:35.640 going to start the one ring company. 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:40.880 If you do, you'll you'll accidentally create a black hole 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.760 with a Hadron collider, like you will be saying, dude. 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.800 Jilan Musk is the richest man on the planet and 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.439 he is so fucking stupid, But I could be worse. 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:53.079 Actually speaking of him, He's another person that's embraced this 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.120 like soft religion aesthetic. He was in an interview with 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.679 Katie Miller. Of course you need more demons around to 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.640 talk to people like you, my Musk, and he's like, yeah, 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.640 you know, I believe in God. You know, I do 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.440 believe in a creator. And it's like all of this. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:10.760 I guess the reason I've been focusing so much on 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.040 that in particular recently with all of these people like 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.600 Gary Tan, all of these people, is it's all happening 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.040 at the same time. They're all sort of doing this 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:27.640 weird embrace of evangelical religion all sort of it started before. Yeah, 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:29.640 but it's I don't know if it's like a cope 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:30.880 thing I've been. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.800 I think some of it might be, And this might 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.160 be just doing too much like armchair pop psychology, but like, 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.320 I think some of it is that in order to 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:46.440 kind of proselytize for AI, in order to evangelize their 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:50.280 own kind of element or this thing, they have to 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.880 put themselves in a frame of mind that allows them 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.080 to believe in the kind of powerful myth making that 0:11:56.200 --> 0:12:00.360 is analogous to religion, especially because some of these Singularity people, 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.280 which is not necessarily the same as some of these 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.319 AI people, but there's a lot of overlap. I do 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:09.000 believe that AI will become God, right like a backwards 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:10.720 looking you know. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.559 I don't think these people believe in anything, sure, I 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.240 just like that's kind of like but I guess that 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:18.120 it's just a. 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.400 Convenient label to right, Yeah, hear. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.200 The word believe just serves as like an analog for 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.160 telling us the things that they think we should believe, right, Like, 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.520 I don't really care if they actually believe this shit. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.240 I care that they're telling people this ship. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:33.920 There's a really good profile on Peter Teel. I think 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:38.559 it wasn't wired about how he uses like Christian apocalyptic 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.680 end Time's imagery and a lot of his speeches, and 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.640 I was really interested in all that, which we talked 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:43.480 about on our Showju. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:48.240 Yeah, that's the piece about Rene Gerard the philosopher that 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.199 he like sort of go on, sorry. 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:52.800 Yeah, that's it, just he does that and then Gerard 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.160 and then you know he's very big on Carl Schmidt. 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:56.560 I'll let you if you know who that is. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:56.920 God. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.120 It comes back to a very simple thing for me, 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.880 which is, these are not things you do if you 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:10.200 have anything you enjoy. If I'm sitting alone, it's been 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.840 a long day I have. I can name five movies 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:17.240 and six video games I could. I've been weary watching 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.360 Personal Interest excellent show makes me so happy. Wat you 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.439 go over and it's awesome. But I drink a diet 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.400 coke with that. Wow, I feel awesome. These people like 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.079 I need to take on a new religion. I need 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:33.200 to create a pro centrism blog, and only then will 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:38.319 I possibly be happy. It's just, it's just. I would 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:43.440 say it was sad if I cared for these people 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.600 in any way, shape or for It's just. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:47.679 I hear, Oh, they're into religion. 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.719 No, they're not. They just they They sit around like 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.280 board motherfuckers, tugging on the winkies, going. 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.080 Oh, what's going on in the world. 0:13:56.080 --> 0:14:01.600 What Jesus was real God was to gpu. We've got 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.559 ndre GPUs. He put the GPS together, make the a 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.200 g A. I don't know what that really means. But anyway, 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:13.120 who's in your email in box, Peter Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.240 by the way, here's here's the thing. I'll say, jmail. 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.160 I think the people who made jmail should get a 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.680 Pulitzer for sure. The people that made jmail, which is 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:30.480 the searchable Epstein database, really really like they deserve a 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.520 Pulitzer here. And also so does the guy who the 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.120 final email that Jeffrey Epstein received on j ee project 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.640 at yahoo dot com was just like called cod Cody 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.240 Rudland and he said lol, good riddance and the subject was. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:48.560 Fucking buzz. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:52.800 Buzzerbe Jeffrey Epstein. 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.440 Also, jeff got invited to a Michael Clayton screening. Anyway, 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.160 I don't want to get into Epstein because I know 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:03.120 that all. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:04.440 Three is a whole different thing. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:06.840 It's just we're in such a weird spot of the 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.520 moment with all this AI shit as well, because there 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.680 was that something big is happening piece. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.880 Oh yeah, I wanted to kill myself with that. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.000 Oh I haven't heard about this peace. I also want 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.720 to be in a state where I'm going to kill myself. 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:21.040 Tell me. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:25.760 Yeah, well, it's a piece by this guy who's like 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.800 a scammer, guy called Matt Schumer, who back in twenty 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.960 twenty four claimed his reflection seventy b. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.600 Wait is this is this when the AI like tried 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.800 to post something to like get up and it got rigid. 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:39.720 No, no, that's a different thing entirely. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.240 That was just the scam of the week before. Yeah, 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:43.520 that was no. 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.280 No, that one I'll get to in a second. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:45.480 Though. 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.040 This was the one where it was like a four thousand, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.840 seven hundred word blog. That's my fault. 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.680 I read it. No, I did read this. 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:51.880 Yeah I didn't. 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.320 I remember four thousand, seven hundred because I put it 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.360 into a word counter yep, because I was like, what 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:58.360 the fuck is this? 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:00.320 Yeah? 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.480 No, it sucks, but yeah, but we have listeners they 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:03.560 should also know what this is. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.640 So I mean I heard about it on the monologue 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.960 last week. So there and then the most people said 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.560 don't don't worry about being angry, and one person was like, 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:16.000 you need to be less angry. It's just I think 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.200 we're entering like a hysteriozone. And I actually my favorite 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.680 thing about that blog by far was watching two or 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.920 three other people try and do similar blogs and just 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:29.080 nothing happened. People be actually, yeah, it's actually, it's actually crazier. 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:31.960 It's actually even bigger and crazier. 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.520 I think the thing that I thought was even weirder 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.760 about that piece is there was a lot of people 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:41.760 I do genuinely respect that like shared that piece and 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.600 they were like, oh my god, like everyone needs to 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.520 read this, like typically you know, very skeptical people that 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.640 have very good takes. 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:51.600 Yeah, yeah, like all these people. 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:57.200 Yeah, because I said some nuts and nice things about 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:01.560 my friend Chris Tredulu, So you're a dollar. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.520 The thing about this article that like really gets me 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.080 article blog post unvetted piece of AI because it is 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.960 clearly written by AI, by the way, like which should 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.600 not be shocking given that it's an AI evangelism piece. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.520 Of course it's written by AI, which, by the way, 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:22.320 Cleveland dot Com uh released it like an editor's thing 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.840 today oh god, yeah, we'll get to where. Second, they 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:30.160 turned a journalism candidate had turned down a job with them, 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:35.359 because the Cleveland dot com is like the newspaper of Cleveland, right, 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.000 and a student who is trying to get a job 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.800 with them turned down the job because they don't have 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:47.040 reporters writing articles. They have an AI rewrite specialist who 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.879 turns their material into drafts, so they just have the 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:56.240 reporters do like sourcing and quote gathering and stuff like that. Yeah, 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.879 and the editorial explaining this and explaining that journalism schools 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:02.840 are failing students by making them think they should write. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.600 He's also obviously written by AI. But back to this 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.920 article by Schumer, so it is obviously written by AI. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.359 But it like keeps on coming up with these examples 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:19.359 that like are contextually actually very poor examples of the 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.280 thing that they're trying to But there's like a million 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.439 of them, right. It's like a gift gallop of like 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:27.320 AI benchmarks that are meant to create this sense that 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.560 AI is like the like smarter than PhDs are past 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.120 the bar exam, and it's like, well, when you. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:36.000 Sorry, also PhDs, listen to this, and I will say this. 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.400 Not very smart people. I know, if you you've not met. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.720 Enough PhDs, if you're like PhD level in time, not 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.679 to say they're every PhD is stupid, but not to 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:46.600 say every PhD is smart either. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:48.359 Well, okay, I will I'll say this. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.320 Ben Carson is a gifted neurosurgeon, right, Like they think 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:53.000 about that? 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:54.119 Well was it was? 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:00.800 But like think about that people, right, yeah, and and 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.000 and PhDs are incredibly talented within but like even with 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:09.240 analogous specialists, like we've seen PhDs in like chemistry go 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:13.520 come out and write books about how like AIDS isn't real, right, 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.760 Like chemistry is pretty close to biology, and you still 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.480 got that fucking wrong, right, But regardless of like that, 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.960 like stuff like past the bar Exam is like in 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.199 the thing and it's like contextually it's actually not that 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:30.040 interesting because they passed something called the Universal bar Exam, 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:31.200 which no individual state use it. 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.520 There's like a million other things. 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.360 So the best the best thing in it was him 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:40.840 saying that he cited this METATR study. Oh it doesn't 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.320 even say it, well, no, no, But what's great about it 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.119 is it's like it's like tasks that an AI can do. 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.720 The involve it working autonomously for hours, hours and hours 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.320 right when you go and click on it, it's actually 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:59.320 tasks that it succeeds at fifty percent of the time. Yeah, 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:00.680 and how the. 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.720 Meta article or whatever it was is absolutely mischaracterized, like 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:09.800 egregiously mischaracterized, like to the point if we had journalism 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.320 still and this was run in a newspaper that cared 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.160 about stuff, which what a bygone era that we pretended 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:15.440 to have. 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:16.000 So sad. 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:32.640 Another part of this whole conversation is that the thing 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:34.639 that's been pissing me off for a while now, but 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:38.440 especially recently with this like increased hysteria around, like oh 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.960 AI is like the big thing is gonna happen soon 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.760 is it's like people keep saying that it's smart. It's 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.240 that it's going to be smarter than humans, maybe even 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.800 that it is smarter than humans already, when it's like, 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.040 there is no unless I'm missing something there, It has 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.400 not shown any level of original intelligence. What it can 0:20:56.480 --> 0:21:00.919 do is that it's just more a very efficiently coming 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:05.159 through databases of words and like just information. It's very 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:09.760 efficient at that, But that doesn't prove intelligence as far 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.200 as I'm aware. So whatever people say AI is intelligent. 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.439 I lose my fucking mind because it's not. It's just fast. 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.800 It's a fast database search that like it's just like 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:18.840 pukes back out at you. 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:26.679 Someone who is it? Okay, yeah, Matt Schumer specific and 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.480 when you posted on Bluesky of the Day that he 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:33.359 was the guy who made that awful video game this 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:33.960 is the future. 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.600 Oh yeah. If you've seen this listeners, it's the video 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.600 game thing where it's like it's like two minutes and 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.160 just it is insane, like the US changes. 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:49.480