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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: And Lazarre.

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Speaker 3: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bar.

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Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. Back from vacation

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Speaker 3: and back to Patriots training camp.

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Speaker 1: And this is back from vacation. First off of congratulations

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Speaker 1: you and Jesson as all the pleasantes. Meanwhile, I am

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Speaker 1: over here. I remain married to the game another word

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Speaker 1: for single, I'm to the game. I somehow missed that

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Speaker 1: little quick from you last week.

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Speaker 3: Ow mean, I cracked myself up. Sometimes I gotta give

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Speaker 3: myself credit for that one. That was at least making

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Speaker 3: somebody laugh. Okay, fair enough, you know listen, I like

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Speaker 3: I always say, you missed one hundred percent of the

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Speaker 3: shots you don't take. So some of my jokes don't land,

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Speaker 3: some of them do. That one was kind of funny.

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Speaker 3: I'll give myself credit for that one. So Evin Lazard

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Speaker 3: is Alex Bars Patriots Cash twenty two with you for

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Speaker 3: the next hour or so. You know, we tend to ramble,

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Speaker 3: so it might be a little bit over the hour,

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Speaker 3: but we'll see how long we go here today. But

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Speaker 3: a lot to talk about a lot of positives to

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Speaker 3: talk about it, like, we're not just this is look

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Speaker 3: on Tuesday, Alex, you know I was texting you about

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Speaker 3: it during practice.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like you were texting about it during practice.

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Speaker 3: You can just doubt me about this. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: own this. I'm soar.

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Speaker 1: We were getting to a point on Tuesday where, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the offense was a little stagnant and you know, they

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Speaker 1: were still working through some things. Evan texts me and

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Speaker 1: goes in so many words, he's worried. He is worried

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Speaker 1: about the offense. Worried literally since the snap after that text, Yep,

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Speaker 1: it's all because of me. They have been locked it.

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Speaker 1: Like I think I literally sent you a text back

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Speaker 1: after that. Well that was a good throw and it

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Speaker 1: was I think the mac Jones touchdown, the Jujus and

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Speaker 1: the Schuster in the back of the end zone. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: ever since you sent that text, you fixed the offense

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Speaker 1: With that text.

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Speaker 3: You're giving me credit.

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Speaker 1: We might have to get well, just he did it,

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Speaker 1: you guys. Well, but then Bill O'Brien it was me.

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Speaker 1: But then the next day they got off to a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a slow start. You texted me again

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Speaker 1: and then mac Jones said his best practice he's had

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Speaker 1: since the Giants practice is rookie year.

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Speaker 2: Yea.

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Speaker 1: So just keep sending the texts. Okay, that's what it

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Speaker 1: comes down to. This whole season comes down to, Well,

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Speaker 1: Evan keeps sending those texts.

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Speaker 3: There we go. So we'll lay this out and exactly

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Speaker 3: go into a little bit more detail here, but I'd

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Speaker 3: also just want to do some housekeeping. Shout out Marine

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Speaker 3: behind the glass with us as always, and Zach is

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Speaker 3: with us here today with Alex that he's shadowing our Alex,

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Speaker 3: not this Alex today for the day. And Zach, you

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Speaker 3: have one of the coolest stories I think anybody can

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Speaker 3: tell other than you go into training camp every day

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Speaker 3: like a psycho since you were like two years old

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Speaker 3: or something like that. But we came back last year

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Speaker 3: from the Buffalo road game and the Patriots did not

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Speaker 3: have such a good day that day, and we're all

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Speaker 3: coming back on the team buses and we see a

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Speaker 3: son and a father holding a sign that says thank

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Speaker 3: yous as we're pulling into Gillette and all of us

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Speaker 3: on the content bus. We don't mingle. We don't get

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Speaker 3: to mingle with the coaches and players. We have our

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Speaker 3: bus were like, wow, that's that's so cool, Like to

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Speaker 3: who is that? We tried, you know, we obviously dug

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Speaker 3: up who it was. Alex wrote a story about it,

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Speaker 3: and it was Zach and his father that came out

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Speaker 3: even it was what like twenty degrees, it was late

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Speaker 3: at night. They did not win the game. They did

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Speaker 3: not make the playoffs, as we all know, and he's

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Speaker 3: been doing that though, are Alex talking to you now?

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Speaker 3: Since for years super Bowl champs or not even making

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Speaker 3: the playoffs at eight and nine, him and his dad

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Speaker 3: come out every year and hold up the signs and

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Speaker 3: welcome the team back from whatever their final game of

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Speaker 3: it's awesome just to see somebody that fair Weather not

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Speaker 3: the division and I'm making the playoffs. We don't need

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Speaker 3: understand where I went wrong, right, I understand where what

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Speaker 3: I missed, But.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I'm not going to ride the roller coaster of

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Speaker 3: Here we are, We're on, We're on Superman at six

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Speaker 3: Flags right now. The main thing that I was frustrated

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Speaker 1: Good as in terms of like taking completions but not

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Speaker 3: The main thing was is that I felt like a

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Speaker 3: just want to be honest. I felt like a lot

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Speaker 3: these training camp stats and we here after practice Mac

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Speaker 3: Jones finished the day eight for ten and team drills

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Speaker 3: and that eighty percent completion rate. That sounds incredible. But

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Speaker 3: what I'm more concerned about is one, is he running

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Speaker 3: least as far as I can tell. And two, how

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Speaker 3: and pushing the team, Because the main thing is is

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Speaker 3: that does call spade to spade. They don't have a

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Speaker 3: great offensive line right now, and they might not have

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Speaker 3: a great offensive I think it's going to be better

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Speaker 3: than what we've seen at practice when Mike on Winne,

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Speaker 1: They only have two projected starters right now.

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Speaker 3: And I don't really know how good this group is

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Speaker 3: We've had concerns about the line all off season, mainly

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're an elite, but I think they're okay.

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Speaker 1: And I think I'm good. And guys, all the skill

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Speaker 1: understy Good. I don' know, they're great, They're good, They're good,

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Speaker 1: They're fine, They're good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And we looked at that practice on Tuesday, and

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Speaker 3: that was the first time where things started to kind

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Speaker 3: starting to get open a little bit more and more

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Speaker 3: thinking to myself, like he threw in seven on seven,

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Speaker 3: Juju Smith Schuster was open on a corner route and

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Speaker 3: Juju became the defensive back, knock it out to knock

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Speaker 3: it out of out of Marcus Jones' hands. Later on,

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Speaker 3: when they got into eleven on eleven's he had Gasiki

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Speaker 3: Mac Wilson broke up the pass, and these types of

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Speaker 3: things were happening throughout the practice. I have a high

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Speaker 3: the field, I expect Mac Jones to make the throws.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's a fair expectation.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't feel like he did that on Tuesday. Now,

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Speaker 3: what I missed, and this is maya kolpa here, what

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Speaker 3: And then the last thing that sort of needed to

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Speaker 3: And just as an example on that Kasiki play, I

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Speaker 1: Days and can I tell you what I think may

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Speaker 1: this is classic training camp, We're going to take one

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Speaker 1: this was again kind of right after you sent me

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Speaker 1: that text about you know, Max maybe missing some of

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Speaker 1: ball to Kendrick porn. It was I mean, it was

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Speaker 1: not complex. It was Kendrick Porne ran a straight line,

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Speaker 3: No, it was wait wait just what play was it?

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Speaker 1: Discontinue over the go ball to to Kendrick Bourne that

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Speaker 1: Mac like launched out oh yeaheah. And I mean again, no,

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Speaker 1: nothing sexy, no intense concept. It was go run. He

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Speaker 1: him and he missed him by about like a step,

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Speaker 1: like overthrew him by about the steps. Talk about that

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Speaker 1: so you're texting, it's all checkdowns and you were right,

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Speaker 1: I almost feel like that was a moment where maybe

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Speaker 1: he took the deep shot and it was incomplete, but

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Speaker 1: he was like he was open, like this is gonna work.

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Speaker 1: I have a chance to make these plays. Let's try

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Speaker 1: that again, because that seemed to kind of even though

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Speaker 1: it was incomplete, it seemed to unlock something. Yeah, I total,

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Speaker 1: although you sound less thrilled with that play, I am less.

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Speaker 3: Thrilled of it with that play, but not because I

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Speaker 3: disagree with your point. The main point that I when

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Speaker 3: I looked at that throw to Kendrick Bourne and then

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Speaker 3: the next day he had a similar overthrow to Devonte Parker. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he he's got to recognize that he ain't thrown a

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Speaker 3: Jalen Wattle and Devonte Smith right like he those guys

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Speaker 3: are slower receivers. But with that being said, they're really

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Speaker 3: if he just allows Devonte Parker to just go up

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Speaker 1: when Winner's gonna come back. It sounds like cole strange

436
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 1: issue isn't serious. He's going to come back. Trent Brown

437
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 1: is healthy by all indications. They're just managing his workloads,

438
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Speaker 1: so he'll be back and then they'll figure out what

439
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: they do it.

440
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 3: Right.

441
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: Tackle, but that is the one and it's scary because

442
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 1: that's the one thing you can't see in training camp

443
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 1: right is the offensive line.

444
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Speaker 3: And what I can see is that I hate training

445
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 3: camp sacks because like, who actually knows the quarterback and

446
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,160
Speaker 3: slip a tackle the quarterback and step up in the pocket.

447
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,479
Speaker 3: It's really difficult to tell, especially without being able to

448
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 3: review the practice tape if it would have really been

449
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 3: a sack or not. But there's guys in the back

450
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 3: we can all see it. There's guys in the backfield.

451
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 3: And that's going to be the big question is when

452
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 3: it's live, live, not just padded practice and training camp

453
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 3: live with the quarterback in a red jersey. But when

454
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 3: it's live, live, is it's still going to look as good?

455
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 3: Now this sort of I want to get into some

456
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 3: of the individual players, but this also sort of brings

457
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 3: in Bill O'Brien again. A lot of the window dressing.

458
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 3: A lot of the things that they're trying to do,

459
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 3: I think is mainly being put in because it's good stuff,

460
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 3: but it's also because they know that their offensive line

461
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 3: might be a problem. So you're seeing a lot of

462
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,360
Speaker 3: jet motion, you're seeing a lot of backfield actions, you're

463
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 3: seeing RPO, you're seeing play action. You're seeing empty which

464
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 3: is just to get the ball out of the quarterback's

465
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 3: hands as quickly as possible by spreading the field. And

466
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 3: all these types of things are things that offensive good

467
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: offensive coordinators do when they know that they might have

468
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Speaker 3: some issues along on the offensive line.

469
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Speaker 1: And this is something we talked about going back to

470
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Speaker 1: the spring. I forget if it was this show or

471
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Speaker 1: another show I was on. Somebody called in and said,

472
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Speaker 1: you know, do they believe in their tackles? You know,

473
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: are they maybe higher on their tackles than everybody else's.

474
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's as much that as it

475
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: is they're high on Bill O'Brien and they're high on Adrien

476
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: Clem to kind of coach this group up. I'm high

477
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: on a And then it came around it I think

478
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: all from all the linemen that we've talked to. There's

479
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 1: been some really positive reviews about CLEM, and I can

480
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: see that they're fitting it properly. Like, I don't know

481
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: if they're gonna be able to block it when it's

482
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, the Eagles front in week one or whatever,

483
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: but the hats are in the right place.

484
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Speaker 4: Hey.

485
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: Look, I'll say this, some of the younger guys. Antonio

486
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: Maffi's looked good. He wont to rap against Christian Barmore

487
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: today in one on ones, which I think is an incredition.

488
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Speaker 3: As the pads came on and Mafi started to look

489
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 3: a lot better.

490
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which obviously that's that's expected. So you're seeing the

491
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Speaker 1: progress with some younger guys. I think in like they're

492
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to hype some of these younger guys

493
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Speaker 1: up and get these younger guys going. But they don't

494
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: really have any younger tackles except for maybe Andrew Duber,

495
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: who we saw very briefly on Monday when.

496
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 3: Everybody was hurting.

497
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be Conor McDermott, Riley, Reef, Calvin Anderson

498
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: if and when he comes back.

499
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: I'm not what's going on there.

500
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: So I hate, I hate to go to this but

501
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: you know when Bill's asked about it the other day

502
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: and he talked about it because it's non football illness,

503
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: not non football injury, and Bill didn't sound super bullish

504
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: on him coming back soon. I you know, offensive tackle,

505
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: young guy, NFI mystery. I go right to Antonio Garcia, right,

506
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: got really sick blood clought has long lost like sixty pounds.

507
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: He's out of football for a couple of years. When

508
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: that's a worst case scenario, I don't know that it's

509
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: there with Anderson, but it's.

510
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: Like, that's tough, That's what it is. I feel terrible Bill,

511
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 3: and I do too.

512
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Speaker 1: But Bill sounding as I don't want to say pessimistic,

513
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: but he sounded like he legitimately didn't know. I'm sure

514
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: he knows what's wrong with Anderson, but he sound like

515
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: he didn't know legitimate timeline, and just again it being

516
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: that illness not injury thing, those that that can lead

517
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: to some some scary situations. So I hope for the

518
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: best for Calvin Anderson, obviously, but I'm starting to get

519
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: to the point where I'm like, I don't because when

520
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: camp opened and we were talking about the tax, like, oh, well,

521
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, Trent's gonna be back in Calvin Anderson will

522
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: be back, and that's a guy they're probably counting on. Yeah,

523
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm kind of going away from that a little bit

524
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: and seeing I wonder if they're gonna have to kind

525
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: of plan for not having them.

526
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because not to pick on anybody, but like Riley

527
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 3: Reef has been a little rough.

528
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Speaker 1: It's been like he actually had probably his best day today.

529
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Speaker 1: He's on one against josh Ucha look good.

530
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Speaker 3: He's been good in what's I don't know for for

531
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: what it's worth, I guess he's been better in drills

532
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: than he has been in team right, So he's been

533
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: solid in one on ones for the most part, and

534
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 3: he's been really good in that kickout edge setting drill

535
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 3: that they've been doing that He's been really good in that.

536
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: But the issue is with with really the mainly the

537
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 3: edge setting drill, but also both kind of drills. Like

538
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 3: you're in a phone booth, you're not truly out on

539
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 3: an island in either situation, especially edge setting one. So

540
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: when he's able to just keep his feet under him

541
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: and not have to move too much side to side,

542
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: it's fine, but he's a tackle. He's not playing guard.

543
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: Right when the guy has to come right at him, right,

544
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: the guy has to come at him, And that makes sense,

545
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: Like he's a strong guy.

546
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: But the one guy I've seen give him fits is

547
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: josh Ucha, who got him again today.

548
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: But even I mean there were there were a couple

549
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: of days early in practice where and don't get me wrong,

550
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: uh Jelani Tava is having a really good camp. But yeah,

551
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: he's not a guy you expect to run around people.

552
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: He's usually a guy that runs through people, which we've

553
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: seen him too, but he's going around Riley Reef.

554
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it hasn't been pretty for Riley Reef when

555
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 3: he is asked to move his feet, which when you

556
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 3: play tackle in the NFL is kind of an important

557
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: thing to be able to do. So that's concerning. I

558
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: think this is all but locked up for Connor McDermott

559
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: at this point and right tackle. I've liked what I've

560
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: seen and I liked the film last year from Connor McDermott.

561
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: In the run game, he's a really good run blocker. Really,

562
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 3: it's probably exaggeration. He's a solid run block. It's it's

563
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 3: the better half of his game. Pass protection wise, I

564
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: think he has a lot of the same issues that

565
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: will that most tall tackles have where bend in ability

566
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 3: to go down and get guys and get hands on

567
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: guys that like an like an j type and you're

568
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 3: gonna have hasan reddick coming off your right side in

569
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: week one. Those types of guys are are difficult for

570
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 3: six foot eight tackles. It's the problem that Nates Older

571
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: had his entire career. Can you sit down in the

572
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: chair and catch those types of guys that are the

573
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 3: smaller finesse pass rushers. Kean White went right around him

574
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 3: in one on ones the other day with the little

575
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: outside inside and he's not even that small, correct. So

576
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 3: Connor McDermott's biggest issue is going to be leverage in

577
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: the past game. Can he move his feet, sink, get

578
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: his hands on people. And I say sink, I mean

579
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 3: like sink at the hips and the knees and get

580
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 3: down in your in your in your stance and be

581
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: able to square up guys because he's not somebody that

582
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: consistently gets to his landmark and consistently is able to

583
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: do that, And that's gonna be something that they're gonna

584
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: have to protect against. But he's been okay last year

585
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 3: and he's been okay in camp, but not they're not

586
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: gonna have any difference makers at the tackle spot. At

587
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 3: right tackle, No, Trent is a whole different story. If

588
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: Trent wants it and his head screwed on right and

589
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: he's in shape and he's and he's engaged, then Trent

590
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: can be a difference maker. The right side is gonna

591
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: be hold onto your pants, like, let's just survive.

592
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, A lot of the weeks it's can you get

593
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: seventeen games of starting caliber play out of the combination

594
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: of Reef and McDermott and maybe Anderson and maybe Stubart.

595
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 3: That's what the question I would it stinks that stuper

596
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 3: or not super Anderson is dealing with what he's dealing. Yeah,

597
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 3: I was.

598
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: Of all the tackles, I was the most excited to

599
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: see him.

600
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 3: Me too, because he's got the athletic profile, and he's

601
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 3: got some really good film last year in Spurts at Denver,

602
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: and he's got really, really good He's the best athlete

603
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: out of the group that's not even close, even a

604
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: better athlete than Trent. So that's that was something I

605
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: was really looking forward to seeing because they've ran some plays,

606
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: you know, pin poll toss that type of stuff to

607
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: trying to get to the outside. And they cannot run

608
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: outside the tackles right now because their tackles aren't fast

609
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: enough to make the blocks. So that's gonna be something

610
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: that they're going to have to coach around as well.

611
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: Like they they've ran a lot of inside zone. Maybe

612
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 3: it's duo, maybe it's inside zone. It's hard to tell live,

613
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: but they've ran some downhill stuff. But they haven't really

614
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: been pulling a lot of guards.

615
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, they haven't had guards to pull, you know,

616
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: it's not And this is the other thing I wanted

617
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: to ask you, because I'm kind of trying to answer

618
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: the question myself. Do you think they've seen enough at

619
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: this point? Then when that when Mike, when winn who

620
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: comes back, they'd consider playing him at right tackle. And

621
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: when I say seen enough, I need both in terms

622
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: of what the right tackles have done, but also what

623
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: a Tony o'maffi has done, because he would move in

624
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: as the starting right guard.

625
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: Probably right, I still think they roll with McDermott for now.

626
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: I think they try to see I think McDermott's done

627
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: enough to not run away with the job, but secure

628
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: that he could probably handle the job. I guess I'm

629
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: trying to put this as lightly as I possibly can,

630
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: because I'm not trying to say that Conor McDermott is

631
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: Trent Williams or anything like that. So I think that

632
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: he's done enough that you can at least try it

633
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: out to start the year with McDermott at right tackle.

634
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: But Mafi Maffy plays a really patriot like guard. You know,

635
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: he's a hard nosed guard. He's a really good run

636
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: blocker and passed per today. He caught a jumper and

637
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: like threw the guy to the ground, which is kind

638
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: of cool. And he's just he's physical. He's he's a stout.

639
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: He's he's a cinder block, you know, and and and

640
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: you can tell by the body the body type too.

641
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: He's just he's just a wide body. And he's basically

642
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: as advertised, like everything that we talked about with him

643
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 3: at the Shrine Bowl and then in the draft, he's

644
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: come as advertised so far in camp. But he's not

645
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: going to be a fleet of foot guy. You're not

646
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: going to ask him to get out on screens or

647
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: a poll or move a whole lot but if you

648
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: have him just coming off the ball and hitting some people,

649
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: but he's gonna be fine. And I think that that's

650
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Speaker 3: possible that they look at that. But I still think

651
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Speaker 3: McDermott's gonna gonna be the guy. I would love to

652
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Speaker 3: see Anderson hopefully by the time campus is done, just

653
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Speaker 3: to see what it looks like. But I maybe this

654
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Speaker 3: is just my priors, but I've kind of I'm kind

655
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Speaker 3: of out on Riley Reef. I've been out on Riley

656
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: Reeves since since I watched him last year after they

657
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 3: signed him. I think he's a fine swing like, I

658
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: think he's a serviceable third tackle and can play in

659
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: a pinch, But I don't necessarily want to count on

660
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Speaker 3: Riley Reef for seventeen games.

661
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Speaker 1: Look, I don't even know that it's prior's I think

662
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: coming in we said he's an older guy. He's thirty four.

663
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: He showed some some decline last year. Yeah, where is

664
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Speaker 1: his game at now? And we're kind of see where

665
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: his game's at. It looks like he's lost another step,

666
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: which happens to guys at thirty four. And yeah, he

667
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: was a really good player back in the day, but

668
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: that was eight years ago.

669
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's take some of these calls. It's

670
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Speaker 3: eight five to five PATS five hundred web radio at

671
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: Patriots dot Com. And then I want to get to

672
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: the receivers. I'm sure some of these calls might bring

673
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: us to the receivers hot button topic, but let's start

674
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Speaker 3: with Jeff and Mayne. Jeff, thanks for waiting. What's going on?

675
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Speaker 4: Hey guys? How you doing? So a few things. One

676
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 4: is anytime I drive by the ground round, Now I

677
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 4: can't help but.

678
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: Think of this wit where is wait? Where are you

679
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: that there's a ground round? I thought they all call

680
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: they closed the one by by need them.

681
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: There's one in Bangor, Maine. It's like ten minutes.

682
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Speaker 1: Oh that's good to know.

683
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: SOMETI you're gonna drive all the way to Bangor.

684
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: I have friends that live in Maine, so I go

685
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: visit them. Sometimes you're gonna go to trivia there used

686
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: to be trip I know. I go up to Maine

687
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: to play golf sometimes, so if I'm in the area,

688
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: it's good to know.

689
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Speaker 4: So in terms of Dalvin Cook, I haven't been able

690
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 4: to call the last couple of weeks, and I know

691
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 4: this ship is mostly sailed, but I know that, you know,

692
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 4: at least from my recollection, people always talked about his

693
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: game being you know, he's this fast running back who

694
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: just runs through gashes in the defense and is a

695
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 4: home run hitter. And the whole time people were talking

696
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 4: about him, I always thought that, you know, like, if

697
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 4: we signed Dalvin coach Pierre Strong is basically going to

698
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: get zero offensive snaps. And then in terms of the

699
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 4: o line City So according to his college coach, by

700
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: the way, it is pronounced so sow as a joke

701
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 4: that the offensive line coach said, I haven't heard much

702
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 4: about him in camp, but you know, with him and Stubor,

703
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 4: you know, if Reed and McDermott are only slightly better

704
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 4: than them, what it makes sense for you guys to

705
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 4: play so or Stubor Because obviously it's not ideal to

706
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 4: not have one of your best tackles out there. But

707
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 4: if you're going to have subpart tackle play, would you

708
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 4: rather just have a young guy who's ceiling we maybe

709
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 4: haven't seen yet, and you know, rather than these veterans who,

710
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 4: like you guys talk about, don't have great foot speed

711
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 4: or great adeality. Necessarily, Yeah, I'll pop off the calls.

712
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: You guys can discuss it. Thanks and Alex if you

713
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 4: ever come up here, uh enjoy good to know.

714
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Speaker 3: Thanks Jeff, thanks for the call shout out ground Round.

715
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Speaker 3: But the biggest we'll have to tell it. Did we

716
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Speaker 3: tell the full story about the ground I think you're

717
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: going to and then we didn't? Okay, whenever, this was

718
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: like a month. If we have time at the end,

719
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: we can tell the story, but real quick.

720
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Speaker 1: When Roddy Harrison came for his free agent visit, Bill

721
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: took him to the ground Round.

722
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think I think mister Krafft was there too.

723
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Speaker 1: Now like twenty years later, they're going to moo in

724
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Speaker 1: the seaport.

725
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: By the ground Round by Needham like where I grew up.

726
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: Okay, but hey yeah, ground Round undefeated Rodney Harrison, great

727
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: Pete move.

728
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Speaker 3: I don't know, Harris great Patriot Hall of Fame. That's

729
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: right move.

730
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with Ezekiel Elliott, but not proven

731
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Speaker 1: like the ground Round is. I mean, he hasn't signed

732
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: yet exactly. But to the Dovin Cook question, I I

733
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots right now and I think this

734
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: is part of the work load management going on with

735
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: Rimandre Stevenson too. I think they really want to give

736
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: as many reps as possible to the second year running backs.

737
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: These guys didn't play a whole lot last year, and

738
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Speaker 1: I think they want to see what they have with them.

739
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 3: That's the position nowadays. The position nowadays is not signing

740
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook at twenty seven years old. It's drafting Isaiah

741
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: Pacheco in the seventh round and turning him into a player. Right,

742
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: That's what the league is gravitating towards. We know what

743
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: the running back market is and all you're drafting and

744
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: replacing at that position every three to four years. That's

745
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: the goal for every team at this point, unless you

746
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: have a truly special back, which is rare nowadays. So

747
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: I think they want to see what they have with

748
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 3: Kevin Harrison Pierre Strong. If we get to cut down

749
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: day around that time when those that other roster movement happens,

750
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: trades happen, holes present themselves. If we get to that

751
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: time and those two guys are not really giving them

752
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: what they need, showing them enough to trust them. Once

753
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: the season rolls around, I think the Patriots will get

754
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: more aggressive with whichever one of these free agent running

755
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: backs they like, whether it's cook Zeke Leonard Fournette, whoever

756
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: is their guy, and of course money is always a factor.

757
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: When I say their guy, they'll make that move. I believe,

758
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: let's call it September first, if we've gotten through the

759
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: entire preseason in camp and the joint practices and all that,

760
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 3: and Kevin Harris and Pierre Strong just aren't ready for

761
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: the bright lights.

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00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: I agree with your theory. I don't think they wait

763
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: that long. I think you're looking at after the Green

764
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: Bay game.

765
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Speaker 3: They'll have a week at joint.

766
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: Practices, a preseason game, you know, two weeks of fully

767
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: padded practice here. You probably want to get that guy

768
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of lead time to learn the playbook.

769
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: So I don't know that it's after cutdown day. I'm

770
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: looking at like mid August. But same thing. I think

771
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: that there's an element of look. They clearly recognize they

772
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: need a back. They worked out another running back today, Evan.

773
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: If you can tell me which USFL team he played

774
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: for here, I'll be very import no idea. Birmingham's the

775
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: two time champion Birmingham Stallions. That was. I don't know

776
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: if it's CJ. Marrable or c J. Morble, but fourth

777
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: leading rusher in the USFL. He worked out here.

778
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: Today, so like.

779
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: Yet another running back they've had for workout.

780
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 3: Is my point.

781
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: They clearly recognize they need another running back, but I

782
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: do think there is an element of, like you said,

783
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: they want Pierre Strong and Kevin Harris out there and

784
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: getting these reps both as a learning experience and as

785
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: an evaluation experience. And then I think again, you know,

786
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,959
Speaker 1: you'll see him in joint practices and that'll be big

787
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: against the Packers. And then that's when, unless they're blown

788
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: away by those two against Green Bay, they'll go back

789
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: to the phones and again, whether it's Cook, whether it's Elliott,

790
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: whether it's Fournette. I think it's gonna be Elliott, Yeah,

791
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: if it is one of the guys, and they'll call

792
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: that guy in and start getting that guy ready for

793
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: the regular season.

794
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

795
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: And then especially the other wild card here too, sorry,

796
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: the other wild card here too is what happens with

797
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: Toy Montgomery, because he is that fourth running back.

798
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: And he did make an appearance, not in pads are participating,

799
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: but him and Cole Strange onto the field towards the

800
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: end of practice today. They were in jerseys.

801
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: So I think hold strange than his helmet.

802
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: I think it was signaling that they were off on

803
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: the conditioning field doing some sort of rehab conditioning. So

804
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: hopefully that's a good sign for Time Montgomery. But we've

805
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: gone over the Time Montgomery thing. I think at this

806
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: point you can't count on having Time Montgomery stay healthy.

807
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: As much as I think it's he's shown some flashes

808
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 3: and really shown some fun things that you can do

809
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: with him as a player, I just think it's unrealistic

810
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: to count on him to the city. So question, I

811
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 3: think this is a really good question because unfortunately or

812
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: whatever where we are. Where we are, they don't really

813
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: have a whole lot of high upside talent at tackle

814
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: in terms of young tackles. Obviously Trent is high upside,

815
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 3: but in his own way, they don't have a whole

816
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: lot of young tackle to talent. Now, So and Stuba

817
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: are kind of there are only two guys, and from

818
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: what I've seen from both of them, they've had moments,

819
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 3: but it is extremely inconsistent. Like I write down, oh

820
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: like Prealty a good rep for Andrews Duber, next time

821
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: up he gets blown up, right, So it's and.

822
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: That's and that's being a young player like that comes

823
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: in and.

824
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: This is his first taste of NFL padded practice because

825
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 3: he didn't practice at all. Right, well he did. I

826
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: think he did towards the end last year, but it

827
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 3: was behind closed doors. I think.

828
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: No, No, he was never I don't think he was

829
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: ever out there.

830
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: He was never out there. I don't believe. So, Okay,

831
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: well we'll double check. It's that.

832
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: It's that, and Bill said it this week. He's all,

833
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: he's like an extra draft pick. He did that with

834
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: Cameron mcgroon.

835
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that really worked out. So that that's the

836
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: main thing is just if there's any I'm kind of over.

837
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: I've gotten over the receiver thing because our Lord and

838
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: Savior Bill O'Brien is here and he's he's making it

839
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: work with what they have. So I've gotten over DeAndre Hopkins.

840
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: I cried about it enough. I'm done there. Their handling

841
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 3: of the tackling position is bugging me because it didn't

842
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: have to be this way. You didn't have to make

843
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 3: it so hard on yourselves. You could have paid decent

844
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 3: money to a tackle in free agency. I'm not talking

845
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: about giving mcglinchy a top of the market deal.

846
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: Just go out to me, like Caitlin McGary got like right, eleven.

847
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: Million dollars right right. So the guy, the guy that

848
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 3: they were reportedly in on was Andre Dillard. Remember this,

849
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so they were reportedly in on Andre Dillard

850
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 3: who signed with the Titans. I think for a three year,

851
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: twenty seven million dollar contract. Very reasonable, very reasonable money.

852
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: So looking back on it, and I understand this is

853
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: not really the point right now, but I just.

854
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: This is why I said before they have the team

855
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: they have, we're moving on because I knew we're gonna

856
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: get bogged down.

857
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: He humored me for a second.

858
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: By the they are also know McGary three years thirty four

859
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: and a half.

860
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: So Andre Dillard got three years twenty seven million from

861
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: the Titans. And Andre Dillard is a He's not Isaiah Win,

862
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: but he was not He did not pan out in

863
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 3: Philadelphia as a first.

864
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: Round He ended up getting moved to guard to one point.

865
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: So he wasn't good. But he's been I shouldn't say

866
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: it wasn't good. He just didn't work out as a

867
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: first round pick. But he's got a lot of skill,

868
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: especially in pass protection, and he's got first round athletic talent,

869
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: and he's their kind of player's a scheme fit. Yeah,

870
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 3: so all those things considered, you could have your your

871
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: bet on a high upside guy instead of it being

872
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: Calvin Anderson. At two and a half million dollars, you

873
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 3: could have paid nine or ten million dollars for Andre Dillard,

874
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 3: and then you still could have gotten Riley Reef for

875
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: you know whatever. You still could have gotten Calvin Anderson

876
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: for whatever, and he could have just had both. But

877
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 3: instead here we are and you don't have a solid solution.

878
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: Andre Dillard would have been a guy that a because

879
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: of his contract most importantly, I suppose, but just in general,

880
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 3: he would have been penned in as the starting tackle.

881
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: I don't know which side, because you know, he's more

882
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: of a left tackle. Maybe they ended up moving Trent

883
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: backed out to right at that point, but regardless right

884
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: he would have been in one of the tackle spots

885
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: pend In I'm not gonna say sharpeed, but Pendin so

886
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 3: one of those erasable point we we but we wouldn't

887
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: have been worrying as much about it. Yeah, I mean,

888
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: I think Dillard in his own right would have been

889
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 3: an interesting player to follow because the ups and downs

890
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: in his career but we'd be saying, all right, you

891
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: know at that point, Okay, Conor McDermott is a good plan,

892
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 3: b right, And it's not like Calvin Anderson. They so

893
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 3: could have signed Calvin Anderson for two and a half

894
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: million dollars guaranteed, So instead of paying eight million dollars

895
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: guaranteed for tackle help, you would have paid twelve Like

896
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: was that really that difficult? No? And so here we are.

897
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: And then the other thing is with the draft, would

898
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: we've done over and over again? So I'm not gonna

899
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: go down the whole road with the draft of how

900
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 3: they wad to the fourth round to draft a guard

901
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: to convert them to tackle. To now have us here

902
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: with City So. So I'm not convinced that City So

903
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: is going to be able to help them this year.

904
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: I think that it's an interesting developmental talent, it's a

905
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 3: project player, but I don't think he's gonna help him

906
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: this year. And I'm concerned about the tackles that that

907
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 3: ends that ran. But would it have killed you? Would

908
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: it have killed you to give Andre Dillard to beat

909
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 3: the Titans offer to hone?

910
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, you know me, you're not wrong,

911
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: But where it's late or no, it's not even like

912
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: it's early August. They have they have the like not

913
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: to go to Bill, but the guys that are here

914
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: are the guys that are here at this point.

915
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: Don't do that, I know, but like it, don't let

916
00:41:59,120 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: them off the hook like that.

917
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: It's not supposed to be with the show is talking

918
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: about the guys who you know could.

919
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: Have been here. I know. Don't let him off the hook.

920
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: Like although I do have a take on on Taekwon

921
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: thorn in that.

922
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to get into that. In the second

923
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: Mark from Connecticut, he wants to talk to me, Uh, oh,

924
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: do you have a do you have an axe? To grime? Mark?

925
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: What's up?

926
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: Evan?

927
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 5: What's going on?

928
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 2: Brother?

929
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 3: Not much? How you doing?

930
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

931
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 1: Not bad?

932
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 5: So I was at a practice on Friday, Monday and

933
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 5: Tuesday nice and on Monday I was hoping to see

934
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 5: you but never saw you. But guess who came over

935
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 5: and talked to me? After I had a one on

936
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 5: one with Tabario Pop Douglas.

937
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: Who's that Benvolan?

938
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: Oh?

939
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 5: No, Benlan comes over to me and goes, do you

940
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 5: know him? And I said no, but I do. Now

941
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 5: I got to really chat with him for a little

942
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 5: bit and got his autograph and everything, and I told

943
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 5: him that he's the next Troy Brown Splash, Julian Edelman splash,

944
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 5: Deon Branch Slash.

945
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 4: West Welco the kids.

946
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 5: The kid has it. He's got the quickness, he's got

947
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 5: the quick step. I mean, I watched him three days

948
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 5: in practice and he's killing it. I'll do with the

949
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 5: ones and the twos.

950
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's absolutely a good point. And thanks for the call. Mark.

951
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: Next time you're at camp, shoot me a DM on

952
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: Twitter and we'll meet up and we'll make sure we

953
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: get a hello. And and and you don't have to

954
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 3: talk to Ben Volan again in camp. Not yet.

955
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: Nobody's asked Ben who listens to our show, He's called

956
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: not ben Volan. Ben who listens to our show is

957
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: called into our show. I met him today. Oh really

958
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: very nice. Yeah, yeah, shut up, Ben. And when I

959
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: did the thing with Sarage before camp, I think I

960
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: did this last week. I just shaking some hands, walking back, okay, okay.

961
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: Flexing flex and oh yeah, so many fans uh. Anyways,

962
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: so good segue to receivers. So thanks for that, Mark.

963
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: Do you want to start with the good or the bad.

964
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 1: Uh, the bad's probably gonna be quicker because I feel

965
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: like it's mostly good.

966
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's been better. It's been better. It's encouraging, you

967
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: know what.

968
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: Let's start with the good, because for me, the bad's

969
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: really just one guy.

970
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 3: Tomario Douglas might be a thing. He might be a thing.

971
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 3: So I'm not ready to like go all Wes Welker,

972
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: Dion Branch like guys that put up a thousand yards

973
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: and won super Bowls, like both besides West. Sorry Wes,

974
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 3: sorry but he almost did. But you know what I'm saying, Like,

975
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: I'm not ready to go there. Wes Welker has the

976
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: most receiving guards ever in a single season by a Patriot.

977
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 3: Let's let's pump the brakes. But he he looks the part.

978
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 3: I can't. He looks good.

979
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: I can't figure out a way to like formulate this

980
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: without doing a whole ten minute thing. But we've worked

981
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: together enough that you'll understand the same people have watched

982
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: us for a long time. We'll understand when I ask

983
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: you this is to Mario Douglas a guy or is

984
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: he a dude?

985
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 3: I think he's a guy for now. He might be

986
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: a dude, but I need to see it. I want

987
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: to see it in joints against some other teams who

988
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: don't know the Patriots playbook like this defense does. I

989
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 3: think the most exciting thing about Toamorio Douglass and Matt

990
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 3: mentioned it today. Apparently he's an legend in Jacksonville, which

991
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 3: I did not know. Probably would have should have done

992
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: that for the story that I wrote about him after

993
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: the draft. Probably should have made that. Something tells me

994
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: you'll get a chance to write about him a few

995
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: more times.

996
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

997
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 3: So here's the exciting thing about to Mario Douglas. He

998
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: is the only player on this team that can create

999
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: his own separation. He is the only guy. He's the

1000
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: only guy that can run a route, stick his foot

1001
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 3: in the ground and separate. And that is a breath

1002
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: of fresh air because we really haven't seen that too

1003
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: much and it's encouraging. And I think the other thing

1004
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: that makes it exciting is we know how Bill O'Brien operates.

1005
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: We know how much he can emphasize quickness, especially inside

1006
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: the formation, and you can envision scenarios where to Mario

1007
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: Douglas is your inside slot receiver and he's coming off

1008
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and he's got a linebacker in

1009
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: front of him and he puts a little juke on

1010
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: him and all of a sudden, here we're off and running.

1011
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: And that's really where I see his role in this

1012
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: offense is in that number two and number three spot

1013
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: on the inside of the formation, running the juke routes,

1014
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: running the whip routes, running a crossers, you know, little

1015
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: things underneath the defense, things like that. And let's see

1016
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: what he can do with the ball in his hands,

1017
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 3: because the fight. We haven't seen true live tackling with

1018
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: him today and he guys are with owned it and

1019
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: he owned it. So he's explosive player. Absolutely.

1020
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm at the point where I like I have to

1021
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: There's not many things I can say to myself at

1022
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: this point to not get my hopes up. You know,

1023
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: early on it was, well they're not in pads yet.

1024
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: Then they's just one padded practice and like you said,

1025
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: the live tackling and this and that, but like he

1026
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: just continues to check box after box after box. He

1027
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: has chemistry with Mac Jones, which is big. And I

1028
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: know you're not as high on Kaishan booty as maybe

1029
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: some other people covering camp. But like he's had an

1030
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: okay couple of days here, He's had a fine couple

1031
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: of days here. But I think we can both agree

1032
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: on this, Pop And in theory, Kayshawn Booty's ceiling is

1033
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: higher just based on.

1034
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 3: What we saw at LSU. Well, that's not sure I

1035
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: believe that anymore.

1036
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: All right, Well, but I was gonna say this twenty

1037
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: twenty three, and we have to kind of mix the

1038
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: good and the bad right now for this take. Who

1039
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: is an easier path to playing time Pop? Because they

1040
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: need a speed guy on this offense, and the speed

1041
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: guy's not showing up. And if that's true, if like

1042
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: literally he's been limited the last two days, Taekwon Thornton,

1043
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: If to Mario Douglas can keep this up it outside

1044
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: of the draft pick, it's going to get really hard

1045
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: to justify not having to Mario Douglas in the lineup

1046
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: over Taekwon Thornton, because.

1047
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 3: This is Juwan Williams, J. C. Jackson all over it

1048
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 3: a little bit. Literally, this happens with this team all

1049
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: the time, and I don't we don't Nikhil Harry Jacobe Myers, right,

1050
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, better example, I'm trying to think of other ones. Now,

1051
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: I I we don't cover other teams, so I don't

1052
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: know if this happens as often in other teams, but

1053
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: it just feels like it happens all the time here

1054
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: where the sixth round pick ends up being the right

1055
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: pick and the second round pick ends up being a

1056
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 3: bus at the end of the day, I guess it

1057
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily matter because you you got the guys on

1058
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 3: the team on the roster, and the good guy wins

1059
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: right Like I don't, I guess it in theory, this

1060
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 3: is a stupid thing to be I'm not mad about it,

1061
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: because in theory would be a stupid thing to be

1062
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: mad about. But I think the biggest thing is with

1063
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: Douglas is you look at their other receivers and Parker

1064
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: juju Kendrick Bourne. I think Kendrick Bourne has a little

1065
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: bit more juice and speed than those other two. But

1066
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: we're talking about guys that are six foot one plus.

1067
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: We're talking about longer striders, and we're not exactly talking

1068
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 3: about burners guys that have real speed. And when you

1069
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: start to think about it, and then you add the

1070
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 3: tight ends like Hunter, Henry and Gasiki into that lineup,

1071
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: as well. It's a lot of the same kind of guy.

1072
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 3: It's a lot of the same type of guy that

1073
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 3: wins in the same type of way, that wins in

1074
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: the same type of area of the field. Pop Douglas

1075
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: is a totally different thing from all those other guys.

1076
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: So if I'm building an eleven personnel package right now

1077
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: for the Patriots, three wide receiver, one tight end, one

1078
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: running back, if I'm building that eleven personnel package out

1079
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 3: he brings a complimentary skill set to the table to

1080
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: Juju and DeVante Parker, who they're not going to take

1081
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: off the field.

1082
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: They remember we were talking about that battle of between

1083
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: Thornton in Bourne for that for that zerole. And look,

1084
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: I think Bourne's had a good camp. I do, and

1085
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: he's gonna play a role this year. But him with

1086
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: Juju and Parker, it's not a fast offense. You do

1087
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: need an element of speed in there. And I would

1088
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: say Kayshawn Booties put himself, not Keshanuddy. I would say

1089
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: tomorrow Douglas has put himself in that conversation with Born

1090
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: and Thornton for that role.

1091
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: I agree. And you also see what they're doing out

1092
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 3: there with him on like jet sweeps and end a

1093
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: rounds and things like that.

1094
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: Too, all those things we said when they drafted him.

1095
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: Do you remember my big take when they draft him?

1096
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: You can now run the Marcus Jones offense without having

1097
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: to take up too much of Marcus Jones time. We

1098
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: are seeing those concepts as with a very similar guy.

1099
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 3: As lazy as the comparison is, because it's right there

1100
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: for you. What a lot of fans that email us

1101
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: and call us and say, why don't we move Marcus

1102
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: Jones to offense full time? Pop Douglas is what you

1103
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 3: think you would? Right? Do it? You drafted?

1104
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: You drafted Marcus Jones again, basically is what happened. And

1105
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: it's funny too because when you're trying to come up

1106
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: with the comp form, because that's what we do. It's

1107
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: training camp. I have a ridiculous player comp later on,

1108
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: Oh god, and training camp is part of it. You're

1109
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: not going to guess what it is. It's it involves

1110
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: special teams. It's hard to come up with a comp

1111
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: for Jamorrio Douglas. Like, was it were you the one

1112
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: I was doing this with?

1113
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? Somebody were like, you know, well, I think the

1114
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 3: closest Patriot comp is probably Deon Branch. But Deon Branch

1115
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: was bigger.

1116
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: Deon Branch was bigger, like you brought up West. But

1117
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: wes Welker ran a four six five faster I know,

1118
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: but he wes Welker was not this fast.

1119
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 3: He was just as quick. You know, I think the

1120
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: best player comp. So I looked this up last night

1121
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: to be right about it. So Deon was five nine

1122
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 3: was five nine that's what he was listed at.

1123
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: He he measured it at. The cop could have sworn

1124
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: he was sixty nine inches. I could have sworn he

1125
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: was six foot sixty nine inches. Pop does was five

1126
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: eight one two that's.

1127
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: When well, he's like five seven and three quarters. I don't,

1128
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 3: I don't h was de On that fast?

1129
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, maybe that's the Deon was like mid for

1130
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: I think the cop. I know people like the comps.

1131
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones, that to me is the comp.

1132
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: It's Marcus Jones. Marcus Jones is a full time like

1133
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 3: was a good full time receiver.

1134
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: Well.

1135
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: I asked to Mario Douglas about this back at the

1136
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl, and this is months before he was drafted

1137
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: by the Patriots, and I maybe it's because of the

1138
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: Patriots was coaching staff. I don't know if he knew

1139
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: I was from New England, whatever, but I said, like,

1140
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: are there any NFL players you model your game after?

1141
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: And he he meant the two guys he mentioned. He

1142
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: mentioned Julian Edelman, he watched lot Julian Edelman, and the

1143
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: other guy he said was Marcus Jones. He says, I,

1144
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: since I was in high school, I watched Marcus Jones

1145
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: as a returner because and I'm paraphrasing here, but the

1146
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: way that Marcus Jones carries the ball and the way

1147
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: I carry the ball are very similar. So this isn't

1148
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: us just kind of sitting here grasping its straws to

1149
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: Mario Douglas believes he's a comparable player to Marcus Jones.

1150
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 3: It's kind of crazy that So obviously the reason why, uh,

1151
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: to Mario Douglas ended up at Liberty is because he's

1152
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 3: five foot seven, right, And that's the obvious reason. But

1153
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 3: based off of what Mac told us today, which in

1154
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 3: Mac mentioned that he was like a seven on seven legend. Yeah,

1155
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: which makes sense, right, but he said that he was

1156
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 3: kind of a legend in Jacksonville, where Mac Jones grew up.

1157
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: He's an NFL athlete, like you're in a low four

1158
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: to four in the forty yard dash. He played well

1159
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: at the Shrine Bowl against other NFL players, He's played

1160
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: well in training camp against NFL players. I just it's

1161
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: funny how this happens sometimes, that these guys end up

1162
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 3: at Liberty, right, Just you would think that Alabama Lsu Georgia,

1163
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: like somebody would have snagged him, right, Florida, he's down

1164
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 3: in Jacksonville. Where's Miami at? Like, why isn't he playing

1165
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: in Miami? Right? You know those types of things, And

1166
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 3: I think what you have to do and what we

1167
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: try to do here on this show is forget that

1168
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: he was a sixth round pick, forget that he went

1169
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: to Liberty, and just look at what you're seeing and

1170
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: the way that I look at it now, I think

1171
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 3: he has a legitimate chance. And I'm not going to

1172
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 3: put expectations in terms of production on tomorrow Douglas because

1173
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 3: I don't know yet or too soon for that, but

1174
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: I think he has a legitimate chance to be a

1175
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: third wide receiver in this offen this year, behind Parker

1176
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: and Juju, Which is crazy to think that I'm saying,

1177
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: like I didn't think I would be saying that, Yeah,

1178
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: I didn't. I think it's legitimate.

1179
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: I think I don't know, like true, I think him

1180
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: and Bourne will still rotate, Yeah, because.

1181
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 3: I think it'll be game planned, will be a situation

1182
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: r Mack.

1183
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: Mack likes Bourne. I think Bill O'Brien really likes Kendrick Bourne.

1184
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: And I mean Kenrick catch the day to day back

1185
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: corner of the end zone, little toe tap for mac Jones.

1186
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: Six hours later? What do you mean it was? It

1187
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: was late. It's kind of late. What do you mean

1188
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: it was late? It was like almost a sack. Oh,

1189
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 3: the corner round at the I thought you were talking

1190
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 3: about the one from Bailey Zappy my bad. No, Oh,

1191
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: that was a sack. I mean he's a nice cash

1192
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: for sack.

1193
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: No, the one from from mac Jones in the red

1194
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: zone he put over Christian Zalez.

1195
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1196
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: Like, I think Bourne's gonna play too, But are they

1197
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: and ks sick He's gonna factor in here. They're gonna

1198
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: run twelve, But are they like fifty five forty five

1199
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: percent guys something like that, you know, forty five thirty five.

1200
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm not even gonna playing a team with

1201
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: the slow secondary. I want to see Pop Douglas on

1202
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 3: the field. That's I got that for you.

1203
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta comp for you. And what you

1204
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: said just made me think of this. Yeah, you get

1205
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: a team that there's a slow slot corner out there?

1206
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: Can he be Isam mackenzie against the Patriots isa McKenzie,

1207
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: Not against everybody else, Isaiah McKenzie.

1208
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: It's not like that. It's not bad.

1209
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: And it's like we've seen him against Miles Bryant, given

1210
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant trouble.

1211
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 3: So isaamh McKenzie is like a world class sprinter speed,

1212
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 3: but I think that it's not a terrible comp Let's

1213
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: move on from Pop Douglas though, what about Taiequa? Like,

1214
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: how worried are we? I don't even know if worrieds

1215
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: the right word. It's just like at this point, he

1216
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: missed a lot of time last year with the with

1217
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: the with the collarbone injury. Yeah, he's missing more time

1218
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 3: this year. He missed some time in the spring with

1219
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 3: whatever the hamstring or whatever, the soft tissue. I think

1220
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: is how rees reported it. I just I've seen this

1221
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 3: movie before. When you fall behind the when you fall

1222
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: behind in this offense, then it's really hard to jump

1223
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 3: on the moving train. It just difficult. And if we

1224
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 3: talk about how I was ready to wash away the

1225
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 3: rookie year for all the guys that were here last

1226
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: year because of the offense in the situation. But Taekwon

1227
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 3: struggled as a rookie and now he's struggling to stay

1228
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: healthier or whatever you want to call it in his

1229
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: second season. I just I don't know the air is

1230
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 3: out from yeah, you know me, I was. I was

1231
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 3: as jazzed up as anybody to see Taekwon in year two,

1232
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 3: especially in a real.

1233
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: Life You're ready after that first OTA practice to declare

1234
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 1: him the real deal.

1235
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I don't know what it's. It's

1236
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 3: a it's a crappy situation.

1237
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: I determine I used yesterday. I wasn't even thinking when

1238
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: I used this. I was like, mid question, just came

1239
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: to mind. Danger zone, Like he's in a I don't

1240
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: think he's lost his spot yet. You know, if he

1241
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: comes back tomorrow and starts making plays, it's all right.

1242
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: He had a rough week. He's back.

1243
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: He's in good ta We know we can have a

1244
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: good camp because he's having a very good camp last

1245
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: year until he got hurt. Yeah, but if he can't

1246
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: get on the field and he can't produce in the

1247
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: red zone when he's on the field and they have

1248
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: they The other thing was we thought Taekwon Thornton was

1249
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: gonna have this long leash because well, they need the speed, right,

1250
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: they're kind of desperate, they need the speed. They're gonna

1251
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: have to put him out there. Oh hold on, maybe not,

1252
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: maybe not because to Mario Douglas showed up and showed

1253
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: up big time. And now we get back to I

1254
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: think Evan we had a really interesting conversation about this,

1255
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: probably like a month month and a half ago. Mac

1256
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: likes throwing to to Mario Douglas. He does if Mac

1257
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: is going to be better with toa Mario Douglas, what

1258
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: are you putting Taekwon Thornton on the field for?

1259
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 3: So I do think that to an extent, they are

1260
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: different in some respects because Taekwon's Taekwon. People that I

1261
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 3: get excited about him, like me call him tall Reek, right,

1262
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 3: like Taekwon's tall. Taikwon six foot one, six foot two.

1263
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: He is a burner. He's an over the top you know,

1264
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 3: everybody say catch up, you know, take the top off.

1265
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 3: The defense. That's what I'm looking for, vertical route runner,

1266
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 3: whereas I think Tomorrow Douglas is gonna live on the

1267
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: quick hitters underneath and then like occasional crossing cross a route,

1268
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 3: crossing routes at different levels of the defense. I don't

1269
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: think that Tomorrow Douglas is lining up on the outside

1270
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: and running a go route, I guess is my point.

1271
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 3: So I think in some respects they're a little bit

1272
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 3: different in how they win. And it would be nice

1273
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: if if Taekwon was actually good to have two guys

1274
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 3: that can actually run out there for once, but at

1275
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 3: the same time, he didn't do anything when he was

1276
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 3: out there, then he gets hurt. I was almost more

1277
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 3: worried about this when he was practicing, because they were

1278
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 3: out there in shorts and a T shirt and he

1279
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 3: was doing nothing right. And if you if a four

1280
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 3: to eight guy is in shorts and a T shirt

1281
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 3: and he can't separate, that's concerning like that, that's where

1282
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 3: those types of guys should pop off, especially in year

1283
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: two when you're comfortable in the NFL. And and you know,

1284
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 3: he said all these things at the podium last week.

1285
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 3: I think it was earlier this week that the game

1286
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 3: was slowing down for him, And I had no disrespect

1287
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 3: to Taekwon, but I was thinking, like, is it like

1288
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 3: it doesn't look like it is? It looks it looks

1289
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 3: like you're you're still struggling out there. So it's concerting

1290
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: with Taekwon because you know the investment. You know that

1291
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 3: they drafted him in the second round. We've seen this

1292
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: movie before with the Patriots with second round picks. We've

1293
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: seen this movie before with high picks at that position.

1294
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 3: And I don't want We are not going to do

1295
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 3: the second guests on this show. We're not going to

1296
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 3: do the George Pickens, Alec Pierce. Can I give a take?

1297
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 3: Can I?

1298
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: And this might be a hot take, and I know

1299
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: we don't really do hot takes on the show. And

1300
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: maybe this gets me called a homer, but I stand

1301
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: by it. I going back. I'm okay that they didn't

1302
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: take George Pickens. I'm very okay with that. This is

1303
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: a guy that it's all go ahead. This is a

1304
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: guy that had two significant knee injuries, had some person

1305
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: had some character concerns. Yeah, for a team that has

1306
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: swung and missed at wide receiver as much as they

1307
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: have a guy that has that much variance is that

1308
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: much high risk? Even if he was high reward. The

1309
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: Steelers churn out wide receivers, that's what they do. George

1310
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: Pickens was.

1311
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: Always going to be a success there here.

1312
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. Now, could they have made better picks

1313
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: than Thornton?

1314
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 3: Yes?

1315
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: The second guess I make is could you have gone

1316
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: Christian Watson in the first round and then gotten a

1317
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: guard later on? Or could you have You know, they

1318
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: reaped up to fifty to get Thornton? Could they have

1319
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: moved up a little higher to get John Metchi?

1320
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,439
Speaker 3: And I know, I know you did.

1321
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I know, like Mechi. Yet now we later

1322
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: found out he had cancer. We didn't, you didn't. You

1323
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: can only go with the information he had at the time, right,

1324
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: So I would I would throw sky Moore and sky

1325
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: Mores it. But I know he didn't have a good,

1326
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: big first year in Kansas City. But he's a speed

1327
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: receiver that I think is a better route runner than Yeah,

1328
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: he's a little more of a slot guy, and I

1329
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: think they wanted a boundary guy, so that one again

1330
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: I understand, But like I I don't hold it against

1331
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: them that they didn't pick Pickens. I understand why they

1332
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: didn't do it.

1333
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 3: It burned him.

1334
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: It was the wrong like it didn't work out.

1335
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 3: But nobody wants to put any context into the Jorge picks.

1336
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: They made the right decision at the time and not

1337
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: taking Pickens, they could have picked somebody better maybe, but

1338
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: that's not If you want to second guess the Patriots

1339
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: on the draft, you have plenty of opportunities to do

1340
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: so over the last few years. I don't think that's

1341
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: one that you need to go to to do it.

1342
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 3: I would also say with George Pickens, like, show me

1343
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: a highlight of George Pickens at Steelers camp. That's not

1344
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 3: a crazy contested catch.

1345
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: So have you noticed it's all been against Joey Porter Junior.

1346
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 3: No, I didn't notice that. But like, as we sit

1347
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 3: here and talk about how useless DeVante Parker is because

1348
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 3: all he does is win jump balls, and then George

1349
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 3: Pickens wins a jump a bunch of jump balls and

1350
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 3: one on ones at Steelers camp, and everybody's like, oh,

1351
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 3: he should have drafted that guy, right, It's like he's

1352
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 3: just a Vante Parker but younger, Like, can we just

1353
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 3: relax that that's this is a whole separate thing. But

1354
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 3: like wide receiver dB one on ones I have no

1355
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 3: time for. Like, if you're an NFL wide receiver and

1356
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 3: you're you're a legitimate pro receiver, you should win a

1357
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 3: one on one against the dB like eighty five percent

1358
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 3: of the time. You have no need for any of that.

1359
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: How about I love How about the tight ends in

1360
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: the safeties, Nope? How about Christian Zaliz against Devonte Parker, Nope?

1361
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: I see. I think those are interesting.

1362
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: Because you're interesting because you can add a disadvantage and

1363
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: you see how he does add a disapanting.

1364
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 3: I think they're interesting for two reasons. One, you see

1365
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 3: the alphas come out right, you see the demeanor and

1366
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 3: the competitiveness. And the second thing I would say is

1367
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 3: that you see how guys move without having to be

1368
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 3: clogged up by the other twenty one guys on the field, right,

1369
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 3: So you it's a snapshot of just this player and

1370
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 3: just that player. And that helps people like us that

1371
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 3: are trying to watch practice. It helps us be able

1372
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: to isolate guys and not have to worry about missing

1373
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 3: everything else. I think O line D line one on

1374
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 3: ones are really really good things to watch.

1375
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: See, this is why we were a good team when

1376
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: we work together. I know because you would watch that

1377
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: and I would watch that. Matt Dolliff watches.

1378
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 3: The O line. The O line, D line are really translatable,

1379
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 3: like that's that's football. That's you can see a lot

1380
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 3: about how guys move their feet, how they reposition their hands,

1381
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 3: refit their hands, uh, how they change directions, Like you

1382
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 3: can see a ton of things about uh, how they

1383
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 3: handle power right like that all that type of stuff

1384
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 3: in O line, D line one on ones running back

1385
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 3: or wide receiver, cornerback one on ones to me is

1386
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 3: is like it's it's it's it's Madden. It's like video

1387
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 3: game stuff, like.

1388
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: They actually put it in Maden this year. It's going

1389
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: to be in the new mates.

1390
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 3: Because corners have help, right, Like so it's unrealistic. I'm sorry,

1391
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 3: we don't. We don't need to go through this, but.

1392
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: Like what like but now I gotta get you on

1393
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: Madden so we can run.

1394
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 3: Tell me when a corner isn't going to have safety

1395
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 3: help to play off of well, if in the system,

1396
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 3: never if if they're doing that the the ten on

1397
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 3: ten thing, Hey you're step Geelmore tie lad, but that's

1398
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: one guy. But don't we want.

1399
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: But that's what So I'm not saying every rep holds weight,

1400
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: But I said Christians against Devontae Parker. If he's winning those,

1401
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: that's notable, okay. But the other thing is is like

1402
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: we're getting really bogged down here by this. But the

1403
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: other thing is yesterday, I actually they were done that

1404
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: on the O line D lines. I looked over to

1405
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: the wild last one between Gonzalez and Parker.

1406
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 3: How many moves is Parker you're gonna throw on him before?

1407
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 3: For it's okay? But if I was the coach, I

1408
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 3: would have blown the whistle and been like, Davante, you

1409
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: gotta you gotta make a move, Okay, you don't have

1410
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 3: eight seconds to throw the ball, And then everybody puts

1411
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: it down as a win for DeVante Parker like that's

1412
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 3: gonna win.

1413
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: Well, okay, that's on them for interpreting that wrong. I

1414
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: can't come in and look at that and say Christian Gonzalez,

1415
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: even though Parker eventually got the catch after five mooves

1416
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: moves at a very impressive rep against Devantae Parker. I

1417
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: can't come in and say, all right, so that's.

1418
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 3: What you know. Some people don't do that. But that's

1419
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 3: why people listen to this show. That's true. They want that.

1420
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 3: Let's go through these calls, uh call screens lighting up

1421
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 3: to now. I love that. Patty's an agu on Patty.

1422
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: We we read your email, so don't ask the same question.

1423
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you guys.

1424
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 3: That's okay. Do you have another question?

1425
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1426
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: You know what, I'll throw this one out at you guys.

1427
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 2: So let's just say to Mario, does this thing throughout

1428
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 2: you know, throughout camping, through the preseason and Kaishan Boute

1429
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: or Booty or however the hell.

1430
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 4: You know?

1431
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: He continues to build up on the momentum that he

1432
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: displayed yesterday. And I don't know what he did today,

1433
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 2: but can you envision them to keep them both, these

1434
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: guys on the on the final fifty three?

1435
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? I can. And thanks for the call, Patty, and

1436
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 3: thanks for the email. As always, I wanted to talk

1437
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 3: about Booty, I I'm just forgot. So I'm glad we

1438
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: we we got this in here. I could see a

1439
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 3: world where they keep both because I don't know what

1440
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 3: the heck is going on with Taekwon Thorin, so maybe

1441
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 3: it's a situation where Taekwon is ird. You know this,

1442
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 3: the whole post roster cut down, like all that minutia.

1443
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 3: We don't have to get bogged down by that. But

1444
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 3: I think that there's a world where they keep Well,

1445
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 3: they're not going to keep six guys, but I think

1446
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:03,479
Speaker 3: that there's a world keep.

1447
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: They might have to initially because I don't know that

1448
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: you're getting either of those guys through waivers. Yeah, so

1449
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: unless you're saying they're going to put Taekwon on IR

1450
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: before the fifty three the off, so I guess that's true.

1451
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 3: At that point, you're done. They could cut somebody like

1452
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 3: one of the freaking Special Teams guys and then cut

1453
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 3: him initially, tell him to stick around. They put Taekwon

1454
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 3: on IR after the f and we're we don't know

1455
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 3: how serious Taekwon's injury is. Trying to say that. I'm

1456
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 3: not saying that Taekwon's definitely going to IR or anything

1457
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 3: like that, but that's a possibility that they could carry

1458
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 3: six initially and then make room for it to be

1459
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 3: five eventually. Right post cutdown with Booty, I don't want

1460
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 3: to I don't want to rag on him. I think

1461
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 3: he's had a couple of good practices. I think it's

1462
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 3: a fun name that gets impressions and gets clicks for

1463
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 3: us when we talk about Booty and Douglas, Like when

1464
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 3: you write about those two guys, it goes off. That's

1465
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 3: that's the job. I get it. But I don't think

1466
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 3: that I've seen anything from Booty that's been super impressive.

1467
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 3: He's a he's an explosive linear athlete, like he had.

1468
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: He runs a pretty good go ball right like he

1469
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 3: runs well up the field. I've seen that. I think

1470
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 3: he's stiff. I don't think that he's got a whole

1471
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 3: lot of wiggle. I think he's a little bit robotic

1472
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 3: or stiff in the hips and that that's something that

1473
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 3: I've noticed. But I just haven't been as impressed with

1474
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 3: him as as Douglas. But Douglas has done doing it

1475
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 3: longer than Yeah, I think, but a couple of practices.

1476
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: Booty at a slow start. That doesn't help. I think

1477
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: you're understelling. He said he's made some impressive or he's

1478
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: made some impressive plays on the ball, Like I think

1479
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: his body control is really good.

1480
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 3: I agree.

1481
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: Now, some of the reason I say implus impressive plays

1482
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: on the ball and not him and not catches is

1483
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: there's been times where he's done a great job to

1484
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: get himself in position to make a catch and then

1485
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: didn't make the catch. Well, so that that's but that

1486
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: was a knock on him in college. Was it's definitely

1487
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 1: something he's wearing. But I think the last couple of days,

1488
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a drop the last three or

1489
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: four days no, So so it's his body.

1490
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 3: His body control and the ability to judge to the

1491
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 3: ball is better than that.

1492
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: As crazy as this sounds, and this is kind of

1493
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: the way camp goes. If to Mario Douglas was just

1494
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: in the background, I think we would be really excited

1495
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: about Kashawan Boody right now. But the other rookie got

1496
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: going quicker and is fast and gives them a skill

1497
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: set they need. Whereas if Kayshawan Boody, you know, turns

1498
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: out to be what we think he would be at

1499
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: as best as a rookie, So then they have Kendrick

1500
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: Born again, which isn't bad, but Kendrick Bourney, I don't

1501
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: know what what does Booty give them that they don't

1502
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: already have.

1503
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 3: Especially like I when I look at his body type. Yeah,

1504
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 3: not talking about him as a player, necessarily, but like

1505
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 3: him and Juju look a lot alike, like they're both thicker, So.

1506
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: I think he's somewhere. I guess I should say between

1507
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: like Kendrick Bourne. I think he's more explosive than Juju,

1508
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: but he's not quite as explosive as Born.

1509
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 3: I think he's kind of like like ideally he would

1510
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 3: be like young, younger Juju, right, like the knee injuries.

1511
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that's where I'm like, One, he started

1512
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: later than Booty, or started later than Douglas. In two,

1513
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,439
Speaker 1: he doesn't add something they don't already have. That doesn't

1514
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: mean that there's not value in keeping him. There certainly is,

1515
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: but it's which is Kashaun Booty. It's like very air.

1516
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: I don't know why I keep doing that To Mario Douglas.

1517
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: First of three podcasts is going to be an adventure.

1518
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: To Mario Douglas, it's like I can see immediately, like

1519
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: we talked about before, this guy's gonna play He's gonna

1520
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 1: play this role.

1521
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 3: This is what they need him to do. Boom.

1522
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, he's done this role in bill

1523
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: O Bryant's offense. Whereas Kashaun Booty, even if he's good.

1524
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 3: Okay, then what right? Right?

1525
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: So all right, they have another good receist, but he's

1526
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: still probably gonna be a backup.

1527
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 3: Like I will reiterate again, DeVante Parker and Juju are

1528
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 3: not coming off the field right.

1529
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: Well, with Juju you have to worry about injuries, but

1530
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:34,480
Speaker 1: Parker too, I guess.

1531
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 3: Exactly like Kaishan Boody at best is depth in case

1532
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 3: one of those guys.

1533
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: To go back to the question, and maybe this ties

1534
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: into that, you know, can they keep all six? Kaishun

1535
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: Booty is not your typical sixth round pick. This is

1536
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: a guy that was an elite prospect coming out of

1537
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: high school less than a year ago, was projected to

1538
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: be the number one receiver in the draft, a draft

1539
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: that included Jackson Smith and jigbins A Flowers.

1540
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then had a.

1541
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: Bad year at LSU and for some reason decided to

1542
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: run the combine with a broken ankle, which I don't

1543
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: understand why he did that, but.

1544
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,480
Speaker 3: All the power to do him for doing agent.

1545
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: So like if he starts showing flashes, yeah, he's not

1546
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: getting a practice squad, somebody's gonna be like, all right, no,

1547
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: they unlocked it, they found it, They found the guy

1548
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be after his freshman year at LSU, Like,

1549
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: you're not getting him to the practice squad, so you'll

1550
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: see it. At that point, it's either do you essentially

1551
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: let him go or do you do you have to

1552
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: keep six? Yeah, and I think that they may look

1553
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: at it and say, you know, Parker and Juju or

1554
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: injury prone Kendrick Bourns in the last year of his deal.

1555
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: We don't know what Taekwon is gonna be. Yeah, we

1556
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: need this long term potential at wide receiver. We can't

1557
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: let him go.

1558
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 3: If I had to do a fifty three man roster projection,

1559
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 3: I had him so hard. I didn't really think about it,

1560
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 3: like necessarily because I'm not planning on doing one until

1561
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 3: after the first preseason game. But I'm doing one Saturday.

1562
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 3: I guess I could kind of see it now that

1563
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 3: now that Patty laid it out, or it was Patty

1564
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 3: right laid it out. It just I think that there

1565
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 3: is a world where they carry six initially and then

1566
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 3: they're able to figure out the numbers post cutdown, whether

1567
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 3: it's iring somebody bringing back a special teams guy, you

1568
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 3: know that they Rolly Webb or whatever. Who has actually

1569
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 3: made some play.

1570
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: Okay, can I give you my rolliy Web take It's

1571
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: kind of weird, right like hang on, Rally, Web gets open.

1572
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 3: We can play.

1573
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: Web gets open a lot. Now it's it's against the

1574
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: thirteen defense. There are other guys who are not getting

1575
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: open because the thirteen a little stutter and go and

1576
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: the and like blue by, somebody gets open. He's made

1577
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: contested catches, he's shown some good body control. Now he's

1578
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: converted college safety.

1579
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 3: And he's doing it all where at number forty four.

1580
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 1: Shout out Mark, shout out Mark Edwards, which makes it

1581
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: even I'm not gonna sit here and say, Rally Webb

1582
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: is going to solve all their problems at wide receiver.

1583
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: But that's not saying that as an emergence like if

1584
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: they get really banged up. We just talked about how

1585
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys Taekwon Parker Juju the injuries

1586
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: playing wide receiver as an emergency wide receiver like break class,

1587
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: like as your seventh eighth wide receiver, you could do

1588
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: worse than Rolly Webb.

1589
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 3: Okay, he ate fine, he gets open. It's not worth

1590
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 3: Webb gets open. Does he not get open? Evan he

1591
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:28,520
Speaker 3: gets open Joey in Texas. What's going on? Joey, Joey, Joey.

1592
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: Go was shocked by that tape. I want you to say,

1593
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: Rolly Webb gets.

1594
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 3: Onry comeback and we'll get you on the air.

1595
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: You said it before I went on that rant. You

1596
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: just hate it because I said it.

1597
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 3: It just was ridiculous. All right, wrestles in Boston? What's that? Russell?

1598
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 4: Hey, how's it going on?

1599
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 3: It's going well? Thanks for calling.

1600
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 6: I'm a he's Fran of the podcast. I have one

1601
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 6: quick question for you guys. There's a few free agents

1602
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 6: out there. I know that Nico Elliott's one of them.

1603
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,839
Speaker 6: So do you see the pages signing these last moments

1604
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 6: during training camp leading up to the preseason and eventually

1605
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 6: this first game with the season.

1606
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question. They do have an open

1607
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 3: roster spy right now theoretically. And thanks for the call, Russell.

1608
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 3: So I I think we're both on the same page

1609
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 3: with the running backs. I think we both lean Zeke.

1610
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 3: It just feels like the best combination of they're not

1611
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 3: going to pay Dvin Cook right like they're not going

1612
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 3: to pay his quote.

1613
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: Can I tell you my theory on Dalvin Cook by like, yeah,

1614
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: tinfoil hat Theoryvin Cook he already signed with the Jets.

1615
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: They're just waiting to announce it on the season premiere

1616
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:32,719
Speaker 1: of Hard Knocks.

1617
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 3: Oh my god. If they did, that's what it is,

1618
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 3: then they're not anywhere very stupid, That's what it is.

1619
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 3: They are not going them.

1620
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: He called them a super team, so I now get

1621
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: to compare them to the twenty eleven Eagles.

1622
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 3: Okay, but if that's what happens, they're not. They're I

1623
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 3: am selling all my stock in the Jets. It's like,

1624
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 3: because I think I kind of believe in the Jets.

1625
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 3: I do. I do a little bit too.

1626
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: It it's like oddly quiet after he pretty much said

1627
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: he was going to be a Jet.

1628
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I lean towards Zeke because I think it's

1629
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 3: I I tweeted this and everybody at tacking what about

1630
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook. It's a it's about the value for me.

1631
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Zeke is a better player than

1632
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook. Nobody is saying that Zeke is a better

1633
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 3: player than Dalvin Cook. But they're not gonna pay Dalvin

1634
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 3: Cook eight million dollars a year when they have Ramondre

1635
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 3: Stevenson on the team. It's a waste of money. It

1636
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. So they're gonna pay Zeke half

1637
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 3: that a quarter or that maybe even to come in

1638
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 3: here and be a veteran backup to Remandre, which is

1639
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 3: what they really need. I feel like these running backs

1640
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 3: are out there because the market is devalued the position

1641
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 3: and people are lost their minds and forgotten that Ramondre

1642
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 3: Stevenson is still a damn good back on the Patriots.

1643
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 3: He's better than Dalvin Cook at this stage potentially.

1644
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 1: So if they're closed, it's negligible, yeah, or if cooks better,

1645
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: it's negligent, right, So why.

1646
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 3: You know whatever? I know, it's just money, but it

1647
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 3: just doesn't that's not how they're gonna.

1648
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: I I did a poll like when Cook first got whatever,

1649
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: it was like a month ago, month and a half ago,

1650
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: and I did you know running back A and Andre's

1651
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: numbers running back beat Cooks numbers from last year included

1652
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: the age ninety something percent of people took Romondra.

1653
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so I I feel the same way about that.

1654
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 3: I think Zeke makes the most sense for role contract.

1655
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 3: What they need that guy ideally to do I think

1656
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 3: it's gonna piss off a lot of fantasy football owners

1657
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 3: because they he might be the goal line back and

1658
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:20,879
Speaker 3: steal all over Mandre's touchdowns.

1659
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 1: Well, no, we've been getting asked for months.

1660
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 3: Who should I hit cup with Ramandre Stevenson? Who should

1661
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 3: I hit?

1662
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: Right?

1663
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 3: Draft?

1664
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 1: Be a very easy one. Somebody in my buddies lead.

1665
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: He already sends me the draft. I don't care if

1666
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: he sends me the draft. Somebody actually drafted Zeke in

1667
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 1: like the tenth round.

1668
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 3: Oh there you go? Uh? Any interested in Jonah Williams?

1669
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 3: Jonah Yeah, Joan Williams Bengals. Oh tackle? I don't know

1670
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 3: the Alabama guy? I know?

1671
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: I I well, because they worked out Remember they worked

1672
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: out Damian Williams. The running backs like Darryl Henderson, Daryl Henderson.

1673
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I was thinking that Damian Wims.

1674
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 3: It's like a camp everybody in theory. Yes.

1675
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: I actually don't think the Bengals are gonna trade him.

1676
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 3: He's he's apparently second team reps.

1677
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 1: I know he is, but the Bengals don't need picks.

1678
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 1: The Bengals are trying Joe Burrow's on his rookie deal.

1679
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: The Bengals need to win a Super Bowl right now,

1680
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: and having an extra starting tackle, Like, if you lose

1681
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: one of your tackles, you're still in great shape. If

1682
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm the Bengals and I'm trading him, I'm trading him

1683
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: for a player. I'm trading for a player that's gonna

1684
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: help me win immediately. And the Patriots can't exactly afford

1685
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: to part waves with those So I just I like.

1686
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,759
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I have a great example

1687
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 3: off the top of.

1688
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: If I'm the Bengals, I'm called like in the Patriots call,

1689
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm asking about Josh who cham asking about Kyle Dugar.

1690
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm asking out guys in the last year their contracts, right.

1691
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: But if I'm the Bengals, I want to what does

1692
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: it pick do for me?

1693
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 3: I want a player? Yeah, I don't know, there might

1694
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 3: be a spot the Patriots have a player that can

1695
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 3: help the Bengals. Like I wanted to segue to defense.

1696
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 3: What if what if White can play and Lawrence Guy's expendable?

1697
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: You get if you can get Joan Williams for Lawrence Guy. Yeah,

1698
01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: sign me up.

1699
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that's gonna right there. I don't

1700
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 3: know Okay, I would I would like Jonah Williams. I

1701
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 3: would like that trade really quickly. Just who's the year

1702
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 3: standout on defense? We talked to all offense, but we

1703
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 3: gotta rap.

1704
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: Christian Zalz has been really good. All the rookies I

1705
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: think have been really good. Yeah, I'll give you kind

1706
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: of a sleeper one honestly.

1707
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 3: Oh you know not. Actually, Mac Wilson's been great, and.

1708
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: I know I had him off my direction.

1709
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 3: He's been excellent.

1710
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,839
Speaker 1: The guy to me that like is getting really interesting

1711
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: to watch, and we saw him today. It was as

1712
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: big as day Isaiah Bolden, the seventh round pick Jackson.

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01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: And you know Jack Jones obviously had a weird day

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01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: to day, left practice for a significant time. And we

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01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 1: know that, like Jack Jones, availability is a real question.

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01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: And so people are gonna roll their eyes when I say, well,

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01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: the fourth boundary corner battle, the fourth poundry corner, what

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01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 1: are you talking about?

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01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 3: We've done this before. I know they've been snaps and

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01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 3: the Jason mccordy.

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01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: They want to rotate, right, So who's going to be

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01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: the guy behind Christian Zalz and Jonathan Jones? Right now,

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01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: it looks like it's Isaiah Bolden. He got to go

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01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: against DeVante Parker in elevens and had a really good

1725
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: pass per against him, not just like gotten the wave

1726
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: an aeron throw, but Parker had the ball in his

1727
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: hands and he punched it in. So Isaiah Bolden.

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01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 3: He's got good ball skills, really.

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01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: Good ball skill, and he's six ' three. So he

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01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: brings some more size to that position, which they need.

1731
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: Is an elite athlete.

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01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 3: So that Isaiah Bolden is to this is he's like

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01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 3: Juwan Williams, right, like when they drafted the guy in

1734
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 3: the seventh round that actually is the Jowan Williams that

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01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 3: they wanted. So he would be j C. Jackson in this. Yeah.

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01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: Well, but I don't know that christians Aalz is bad. No,

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01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: he's not bad, that's true, but it's you know, they

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01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: found a guy like they I think they might have

1739
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: found a guy in Yeah, and Isaiah Bolden. I've been

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01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: really impressed with him. I mean that, you know, when

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01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 1: we get in a joint practice, that's gonna be big

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01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: for him. But great start, Okay, Kyle Duggar, Yeah, we're

1743
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: at the point. I said this on PU call. His

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01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: agent put a contract on the table. And let's get

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01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: this thing done. Because this is exactly I know, I've

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01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: seen this before. This is exactly what's gonna happen. They're

1747
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: gonna end up having a franchise tag him if they

1748
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 1: don't pay him first.

1749
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 3: Because he's gonna reset the market. He's gonna get a

1750
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 3: massive contract if he hits unrestricted free agency next year,

1751
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 3: a massive contract. And you have two choices. Either get

1752
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 3: out in front of it and you extend him now,

1753
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 3: and maybe you get him at a little bit more

1754
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 3: of a team friendly price because you're giving him the

1755
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 3: money up front, or you roll the dice and you

1756
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 3: tag him in the offseason like that. Those are really

1757
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 3: your only options with him. Yeah, because he's too good

1758
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 3: to let him just walk for nothing. I want to

1759
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 3: hear about the compicks, and he's gonna be way too

1760
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 3: expensive and they probably won't end up paying him, and

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01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 3: all they'll have to show for it is one hundred

1762
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 3: and tenth pick in the draft, which, like, please, they

1763
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 3: need good players. They don't need one hundred ten pick

1764
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 3: in the draft.

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01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: And to the people who say, well, they drafted Marte

1766
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: Mapu maybe to replace him, why not play him together? Right,

1767
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: it becomes the mystery box in the boat and then

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01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 1: what happens when you have to pay Marte Mapu? Are

1769
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: you just gonna keep right every point? You gotta you

1770
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: gotta invest in something.

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01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 3: You gotta start building a core, okay, really really quickly. Uh,

1772
01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 3: just one thing that people need to know about the

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01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 3: special lists go.

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01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: So I remember I said I have that weird player

1775
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: comp for you. Yeah, Bryce Baringer, Yeah.

1776
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:04,959
Speaker 3: Tim Wakefield.

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01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: What the the way the ball comes off his foot?

1778
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: The way the ball comes off his foot is very

1779
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: hard for the returners to get a read on. And

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01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 1: I asked him out yesterday. He said, he can't control it.

1781
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: You control it a little bit, yeah, because I never

1782
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: like it's Jake Bailey is really good?

1783
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 3: Is it wrapped up? Is Ryland and Bearinger? To me,

1784
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,520
Speaker 3: I think it feels like we're getting towards wrapped up territory.

1785
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 3: We're really close.

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01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 1: You know the in stadium is the big special teams one. Yeah,

1787
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, we're we're really close to having two rookies.

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01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 3: Ryland has a has a leg has two legs. I think, well,

1789
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 3: thank you. Ryland has some more distance on his kicks

1790
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 3: than I thought.

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01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: I'll look mad out without I could hear it through

1792
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 1: the class.

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01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 3: God, it's day they Ryland has more of a leg

1794
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 3: than than I thought. He's got a good leg. I

1795
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 3: think he's gonna be I think he's gonna be able

1796
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 3: to make him plus fifty. I do. Yeah, Yeah, he'll

1797
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 3: he'll flirt with that and and Behinger is he's got

1798
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 3: he's got a boomer. Well, the big thing he's got

1799
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 3: a big leg.

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01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,759
Speaker 1: But the big thing is the returners are having trouble

1801
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: fielding the ball, and that creates muff punts, and it

1802
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 1: creates you know, guys are maybe more inclined to fair

1803
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: catch it, and that that's big. That's field position and

1804
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: muff punts is potentially turned.

1805
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 3: There's one part of the podcast that Bill likes. It

1806
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 3: was that thirty seconds of Alex talking about how the

1807
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 3: knuckleball off Bryce Barreinger's giving away season and then it's

1808
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 3: tough to catch and like this is relevant.

1809
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: Really quick before we wrap up, there's a question here

1810
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: in the chat on YouTube that somebody wants me to

1811
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:31,719
Speaker 1: ask you. Can you answer it real quick?

1812
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? Does Rowley web get open on that note. I'm

1813
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 3: not even lying. It's in the chat. Answer the question.

1814
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 3: It's in the chat. I'm not lying. It's in here.

1815
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 3: The Revs are playing tonight. Answer the question. Answer the

1816
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 3: question against the third team defense. Yes, all right, that's

1817
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 3: all I wanted. On that note, We're gonna do the

1818
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 3: pod next Wednesday before the preseason game. So we'll talk

1819
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 3: about the camp practices Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and then we'll

1820
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 3: preview the game on Thursday to kind of give you

1821
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 3: guys an idea of who you should be looking for

1822
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 3: and things like that. And so we'll be at this

1823
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 3: time on Wednesday, so don't look for us on Thursday,

1824
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 3: like our usual time will be on Wednesday because of

1825
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 3: the preseason game, and we're almost there. Preseason football starts tonight.

1826
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame Fame game Patriots open preseason. We're going

1827
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 3: to have a Hall of Fame game soon, are we.

1828
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 3: I'd imagine when Brady gets in. Oh yeah, that'd be fun.

1829
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 3: I'll I'll be able to go to that'd be cool.

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01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 3: All right. Anyways, signing off, Alex Bars, Matt behind the Glass,

1831
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 3: and Evan Lazar here for you. Will see you next Wednesday.

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01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 3: I almost said Thursday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, y.

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01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,880
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