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Speaker 1: Giants figure out a way to lose to the Chicago

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Speaker 2: John Schmelt, Tiki Barber with you.

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Speaker 1: We'll hear from Brian Dable on the podium in a

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Speaker 1: little bit. We'll have all the reaction from the locker

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Speaker 1: room as well, and Tiki, Bob and Carl talking about

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Speaker 1: this at the end of the game. Another road game

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Speaker 1: where the Giants had a significant lead in the fourth

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they couldn't hold onto it. This is simply not

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Speaker 2: a winning team and they don't have the DNA to

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Speaker 2: win games that are tight, and most games, unfortunately in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, are going to be tight like this. It

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Speaker 2: comes down to making plays, making the right decisions, managing

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Speaker 2: the game the right way. And it was everybody's fault,

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Speaker 2: whether it was Jackson Dart's fumble, which ultimately I think

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Speaker 2: Just across the board defensively, offensively, special teams wise, this

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Speaker 2: they're playing losing football. Figuring out and knowing how to

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Speaker 2: win games in this league it's hard. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: games like this. By winning by leading by ten midway

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Speaker 1: And then Tiki throw in on one of those drives,

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Speaker 1: for something bad. Was Jackson Dart leaving this game with

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Speaker 2: Players not available. Part of that is on Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 2: And I wanted Russell Wilson to have his hero moment.

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Speaker 2: and should have not could have. They should have won

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Speaker 4: Dark in a shotgun set, two receivers left. Dart's gonna

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Speaker 4: keep it on a fake handoff. He's got a leap

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Speaker 1: And that really ended up being the turning point of

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Speaker 1: They had had consecutive drives of eighty yards, seventy yards,

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Speaker 2: That's where really this whole thing started to change. Turnovers

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Speaker 2: They did a good job in certain parts of this game,

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Speaker 2: and again in retrospect, they should have went for it

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Speaker 2: You still have a two score, you know, at that

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Speaker 5: Was going back out on the field. Just didn't seem right.

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Speaker 5: and you give them credit.

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Speaker 6: They made a lot of plays.

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Speaker 2: Penalty. Yeah, for the half yard line I guess your

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Speaker 7: Did you think it made.

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Speaker 8: We'll go for here?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought I thought about it.

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Speaker 9: One where you feel like it caught up to him.

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Speaker 9: This is the fourth time he's been checked for concussion.

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Speaker 6: He was sore of getting up a week ago. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: It just seems like there's too many.

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Speaker 5: Of these easy lead Yeah, they made you know, they

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Speaker 5: you know, we had them a number of times where

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Speaker 5: He's done in plenty of games. He did the series

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Speaker 6: He hit his head and was yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, I mean they know, no he wasn't, so if

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Speaker 5: they would have called him down. But when he was

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know when it was pat it was

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Speaker 12: Unfortunate, Like a lot of people would say, well, if

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, Look, I'm not sure exactly the play that

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Speaker 5: But I don't I don't know the play.

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Speaker 6: I got Ronnie over there is to check him out.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 9: Will we'll Russell start next week of Jackson kid?

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Speaker 6: We'll take a look at everything. He went back after

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Speaker 5: Like Pat, I don't know when I saw it. I

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that the team kid finishing close games?

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Speaker 2: And what do you what do you see that in

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Speaker 16: Get it done?

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Speaker 5: I mean there was a number of things today, So

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Speaker 12: Well, do you feel like you're having answer they turned around?

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Speaker 5: So there's another tough loss. I believe in the guys.

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Speaker 5: We have people in the in the room, coaches and players.

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Speaker 5: Lost another tough one, Connor, So you gotta start doing it.

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Speaker 17: What have as some of these bad collapses, lad have happened?

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Speaker 13: What have you tried to do to stop them from

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll have another play mentality? Uh, you know, I

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Speaker 6: Guy, the two plays that that Caleb got out. Were man.

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Speaker 5: You know, there was a number of plays. You know,

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Speaker 19: Is are you worried about your job too many?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just focused on you know these guys in

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Speaker 2: You well, you kicked the field a short field goal.

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Speaker 6: You didn't kick some lower field goals.

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Speaker 18: What we was?

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Speaker 5: No, you know, the one to Belly, I thought we

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Speaker 5: You know, had a number of fourth down and one place,

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Speaker 5: We hit the fourth and one the motor where he

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Speaker 6: Had to keep to so forth.

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Speaker 5: You know, four times hit two and and didn't hit

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Speaker 19: The test losses a lot, But what's your message? The

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you just gotta you know, they're they're tough losses, Dan,

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Speaker 6: Everybody puts so much into it.

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Speaker 5: The coaches put so much into it, the players, you know,

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Speaker 5: and it's painful when you have when you have these endings,

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Speaker 5: each week, you know, whether it's game planning practices. Let

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Speaker 5: the guys competed their tails off out here for you know,

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Speaker 6: It's tough. It's tough guys in.

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Speaker 2: Want What do you even say to them if they're you.

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Speaker 5: Know, just that, yeah, just just that you stick together.

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Speaker 6: That's that's what you have to do.

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Speaker 5: But again, there's a number of plays, a number of

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Speaker 5: know it's play good. Yeah, Davids, You guys have talked

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Speaker 2: What was that like to see him happen?

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Speaker 6: Obviously you know he was in ten, but that to.

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Speaker 5: See that long walk as you're going to truck drive

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Speaker 18: I mean, do you feel like this team recovered emotionally

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Speaker 6: Seen Yeah, you're really in the moment art.

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Speaker 5: You know, we and you gotta get ready to play,

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Speaker 5: and Rush had to go in there, and you know,

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Speaker 5: I have confidence in Russ, but.

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Speaker 6: Never want to see any of you guys go now, Okay, good,

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Speaker 6: sound good, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: The Giants fall to the Bears twenty four to twenty.

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Speaker 1: Back here on Giants extra Point. Giants fall to the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Bears twenty four to twenty. We just heard from

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Speaker 1: Brian Dable at the podium. Giants football is brought to

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Speaker 1: and ticky. I think Brian Dable sounded like a lot

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Speaker 1: second it's the fourth road game this year where they've

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Speaker 1: had a ten point lead and lost. One of those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. And he sounds defeated. He sounds like

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Speaker 2: when you're head coach is down after a loss like this,

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Speaker 2: Jackson Dart had played really well for most of this game.

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Speaker 2: Concussion protocol is notoriously hard to clear in a week

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Speaker 2: off the field he had his hat down over his

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Speaker 2: or his his is the bogging down over his head.

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Speaker 2: He walked into the huddle, into the locker room covering

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Speaker 2: his eyes, and you knew that his day was done.

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Speaker 2: And it's spelled doom for the Giants. Their backup quarterback,

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Speaker 2: the veteran who you know is a borderline Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 2: and Russell Wilson just isn't that same player any longer.

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Speaker 1: And Daves has asked a lot of questions about this tiki,

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Speaker 1: so I think we should discuss it as well. And

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Speaker 1: I think Daves is in a tough spot because we

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Speaker 1: were talking about this during the break. With a rookie quarterback,

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Speaker 1: in order for them to be successful early, you have

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Speaker 1: to let them use their legs because they're not going

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Speaker 1: to be able to sit back there, go through their

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Speaker 1: three or four.

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Speaker 2: Progressions and find the guy and do that consistently.

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Speaker 1: Unless you're Joe Burrow, no rookie quarterback can generally do that,

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Speaker 1: So you have to lean into the athleticism. It's what

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Speaker 1: he did with Josh Allen but the question was asked.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jackson Dor's not two hundred and forty pounds

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Speaker 1: like Josh Allen. So I but this is not me

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Speaker 1: getting on Dave's I think he's in a really tough spot.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to win football games. You're trying to use

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Speaker 1: all your quarterback skills, but that does then risk some injuries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for those that are wondering, Josh Allen completed few

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Speaker 2: fifty two fifty three percent of his passes as a rookie,

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Speaker 2: but he rushed for six hundred and thirty yards and

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Speaker 2: eight touchdowns, so he was able to find success. Read

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Speaker 2: that here. That as confidence in finding success by using

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Speaker 2: his athleticism in his legs, and I think Jackson Dart

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Speaker 2: to a large extent is the exact same way that

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Speaker 2: the difference is. Josh Allen runs like a running back,

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Speaker 2: like he can take contact like a running back with

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Speaker 2: his shoulders, with his body and not take hard hits.

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Speaker 2: Jackson Dart has taken a lot of hard hits this

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Speaker 2: season already. I mean last week we were talking about it. Betoom,

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Speaker 2: the linebacker for the forty nine ers, drilled him. He

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Speaker 2: got a penalty on slid on a run he didn't

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Speaker 2: see him. He slid and got destroyed by by the

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Speaker 2: forty nine Ers linebacker, and he stayed in the game,

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Speaker 2: and a couple of plays later he's putting his head

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Speaker 2: into the dB trying to get extra yards. So Jackson

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Speaker 2: Dart has taken a lot of pounding on his body,

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Speaker 2: but also I think more specifically on his head. Now,

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Speaker 2: we don't fully understand concussion and how they affect certain people,

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Speaker 2: but we do know that it is a cumulative effect.

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Speaker 2: Though you know, it's not always a massive head trauma

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Speaker 2: that causes concussions. Sometimes it's these micro concussions that you

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Speaker 2: get week over week over week over week, and at

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Speaker 2: one point it just hits your your brain has has

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Speaker 2: had enough and it maybe that's the case with Jackson

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Speaker 2: Dart today, but I think it was clear, painfully so

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Speaker 2: that without Jackson Dart in this game, they're they're they're

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Speaker 2: they're winning potential shrinks by twenty thirty, maybe even fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: And those micro things you're talking about, this issue is

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Speaker 1: that they don't show sinematically, so there's no way to

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Speaker 1: understand that something happened, and we have no idea if

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened either. So to your point, no

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Speaker 1: one really understands exactly how these things work, and every

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Speaker 1: and every single situation is unique. So whatever the case

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Speaker 1: might be, we'll see if Jackson dark and get ready

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Speaker 1: to go next week, right, and the Giants will have

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Speaker 1: a couple of tough games.

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Speaker 2: I give I give Dave's credit if this is really

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Speaker 2: how it came down. Did he was worried about him

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Speaker 2: and he took him out of the game, because that's

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Speaker 2: what's most important. Yes, especially for a rookie quarterback who

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Speaker 2: looks like he's your future. Jackson Dart looks really good.

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Speaker 2: Is the one thing that you're encouraged about, other than

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Speaker 2: Brian Burns and some of these, you know, some of

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Speaker 2: the defensive plays that have happened on that side of

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Speaker 2: the ball, But it's really about Jackson Darts now in future,

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Speaker 2: and it feels like he's he's learning, unfortunately the hard way.

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Speaker 1: And I know there was some criticism, you know, going

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Speaker 1: into the tent and all that stuff a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: but if you know, if this was reported by Dable

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Speaker 1: the way it's reporting, there's no reason to think he's

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Speaker 1: not telling the truth, right that that's exactly what you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to do, and that is a adult decision to

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Speaker 1: make sure that the kid is okay and Jackson Dart

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Speaker 1: gets the attention and care that he needs. All Right,

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Speaker 1: quick time out, We'll come back. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: defense tiki because end of game issues have become a

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Speaker 1: pattern here. Let's talk about that when we return. Giants

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Speaker 1: fall to the Bears twenty four to twenty.

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Speaker 3: Radio network.

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Speaker 17: This is Jackson Dart and you're listening to Giants Football

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Speaker 17: on the Fan WFAN and WFAN FM, New York. Dart fix.

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Speaker 4: The handoff is gonna run left, Dart inside the tent

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Speaker 4: darden for the five Darts in for the touchdown.

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Speaker 21: Jackson Dart for a twenty four yard.

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Speaker 11: Touchdown run and the Giants score of the opening drive

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Speaker 11: of the third quarter, the rookie second rushing touchdown to

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Speaker 11: the ball game.

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Speaker 1: Six plays, fifty six yard. That was today's scoring drive

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Speaker 1: of the game, brought to you by Citizens.

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Speaker 2: For every scoring drive this season.

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Speaker 1: Citizens will doing eight seven hundred and fifty dollars in

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Speaker 1: the Giants Foundation to support their work tackling important community issues.

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Speaker 1: Improving overall health and empowering our youth, and Tiki I want,

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Speaker 1: I said it. We'll get to the defense, and we will.

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Speaker 1: But that's the dichotomy, right, all right, you hate the

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Speaker 1: fact that he gets hurt running the football, but I

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Speaker 1: mentioned the fans loved the twenty four yard touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Of course, they gave.

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Speaker 1: The team to seventeen to seven leads, so you can't

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Speaker 1: have won but not have the other.

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Speaker 2: Look, the defense was great in the first half. They

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Speaker 2: gave up one touchdown drive in the first half of

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Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears, and they had a couple of turnover

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Speaker 2: on downs, including right before the half. The Giants get

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Speaker 2: the ball back and go down and kick a field goal,

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Speaker 2: and it's important because you know that they're getting the

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Speaker 2: ball after halftime, and that drive after halftime was exceptional,

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Speaker 2: fifty six yards. Jackson Dart calls that zone read with

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Speaker 2: the double pullers coming back to his side, and he

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Speaker 2: keeps the ball, reads the defensive end correctly and scores

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Speaker 2: on a basically untouched touchdown, and you feel really good

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Speaker 2: about where this team is going. They get the next drive,

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Speaker 2: they drive all the way down. This is after the

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Speaker 2: Bears punt. They drive all the way down fifty nine

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Speaker 2: yards in this case, run a similar type play and

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Speaker 2: Jackson dart again maybe going to the well one too

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Speaker 2: many times, has a solid positive run, but gets hit,

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Speaker 2: loses the ball and then ultimately likely concuss himself or

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Speaker 2: that small concussion at that point that ultimately put him

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Speaker 2: out of the game. A couple plays later and they

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Speaker 2: lose the ball like that turnover was a turning point

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Speaker 2: in this game for the Giants in a negative way.

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Speaker 2: The Bears get the ball back, they kick a field goal,

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Speaker 2: a defense holds again, and then after that the defense

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Speaker 2: just couldn't make a stop ninety one yard drive that

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Speaker 2: resulted in a touchdown for the Bears, a fifty three

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Speaker 2: yard drive Caleb Williams runs in from seventeen yards to

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Speaker 2: get to have the game winning touchdown, and then it's

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Speaker 2: desperation mode. And in desperation mode, you need your quarterback

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Speaker 2: to be operating on a very high level. And Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson historically in his career has been really good at

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter game winning drives. He's just he's not dialed

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Speaker 2: up to that right now. And whether it's the offensive

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Speaker 2: scheme system that they're running, it doesn't fit what Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson does very well, and as a result, it almost

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Speaker 2: felt like it was inevitable. Once the Bear scored that

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Speaker 2: the Giants are losing this game.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about the defense tier TIKI,

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Speaker 1: because they had some really good moments in this game.

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Speaker 1: They turned the Bears over on downs three different times,

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Speaker 1: yes with fourth down stops. But as has unfortunately been

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Speaker 1: the case in their last couple of road losses. You

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the one against the Broncos. Go

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Speaker 1: previously to that in Dallas in Week two. At the

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Speaker 1: end of these games, the Bears get the ball back

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Speaker 1: and the Giants were not able to get stops on

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Speaker 1: those drives. A nine play, ninety one yard drive. The

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Speaker 1: Giants with multiple chances on this drive Tiki to get

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams to the ground for sacks. They were unable

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Speaker 1: to do it. They had a third and ten on

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Speaker 1: this drive. They allowed Williams to hit Loveland for a

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Speaker 1: twenty yard game. Tyler Newman got hurt on that play.

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Speaker 1: You had a Drew Phillips illegal contact during this drive

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Speaker 1: as well. They eventually get in on a long runs

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Speaker 1: Deonte Banks that was on the next drive. This one

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Speaker 1: was on Drew Phillips, and then they have a twenty

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Speaker 1: nine yard run by Williams gets it down to the two.

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Speaker 1: They get the short yard to Nuban for the touchdown

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Speaker 1: over the middle. And then on the next drive they

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Speaker 1: go down there after the bad punt and it just

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Speaker 1: takes this is the killer Man.

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Speaker 2: Four plays, yeah, four plays.

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Speaker 1: To go fifty three yards for the touchdown, and again

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Speaker 1: they just were not able to get it done in

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Speaker 1: those two situations when that has unfortunately been a problem.

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Speaker 1: It's actually the two Banks penalties were on the previous

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Speaker 1: drive when they held the Bears to a field goal.

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Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah. And so those are the type of moments,

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Speaker 2: game winning game type moments that matter, especially against good quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying Kaillab Willins is a good quarterback,

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Speaker 2: but he's a gamer. And this team is six and three,

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Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears, and they're not that good defensively, and

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Speaker 2: so they should feel vulnerable even though they are at home,

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Speaker 2: and the Giants can't take advantage of it. And to me,

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Speaker 2: the biggest thing we talk about this vaunted Giants pass rush,

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Speaker 2: and they are really good. They get home and they

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Speaker 2: get pressure, but it's finishing. It's finishing at the point

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Speaker 2: of attack against good quot quarterbacks. You got to have

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Speaker 2: a plan, and it just felt like the Giants couldn't

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Speaker 2: execute it at the right time. And I give Shan

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Speaker 2: Bowen a little bit of credit. He didn't just sit

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Speaker 2: back and say chew us apart, you know, second by second.

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Speaker 2: He tried to bring pressure. He tried to put this

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Speaker 2: defensive position to make a play, and they just didn't

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Speaker 2: make the plays. Again, this was a team loss. It's coaching,

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Speaker 2: it's it's offense, it's defense, it's special teams. They all

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Speaker 2: took turns finding ways to lose this game. It's what

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Speaker 2: losing teams do. Hey, we talk about it. The only

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Speaker 2: thing a coach can do is put your players in

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Speaker 2: a position to make plays. How many times were Giants

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Speaker 2: pass rushers and I think I saw pretty much every

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Speaker 2: one of them over the course of this game in

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Speaker 2: position to get Caleb Williams down for a sack, and

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Speaker 2: a couple of times they did, and then you get

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Speaker 2: called for penalties in the secondary, and those sacks get

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Speaker 2: called back, So eventually you have to bring this guy down.

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Speaker 2: If you were going to want to consider yourselves an

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Speaker 2: elite pass right. They were not able to do it

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Speaker 2: on those last two drives exactly. You know what they

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Speaker 2: are even they're the fact simile of a really good

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Speaker 2: pass rush, but in real life and execution, they're not

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Speaker 2: quite getting there. And again, they made some good plays

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Speaker 2: in this game, and they were great for half, but

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Speaker 2: when it mattered most, and this is what matters in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, When it matters most, you gotta make those

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Speaker 2: plays and.

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Speaker 1: What kills me, Tiki. We always talk about how game

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Speaker 1: flow determines things. The Giants had a two score lean

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is why you have a dominant pass rush.

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Speaker 2: Those out the game. I hope so. But we've seen

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Speaker 2: it in too many games this year. All three games

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Speaker 2: we talked about, the pass rush was not able to

662
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Speaker 2: close out those games. And that to me is not coaching.

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Speaker 1: If you're a dominant pass up, you're up to scores,

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Speaker 1: close out the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, make the play, and it's sometimes it takes an

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Speaker 2: exceptional play, but that's your moment. I've talked about this

667
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Speaker 2: all season long. You always as a player, you have

668
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Speaker 2: a moment, and it might be a small moment. It

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Speaker 2: might be Jamie Gillen booming a punt to back the

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Speaker 2: Bears up to the at the twelve yard line or

671
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Speaker 2: whatever it may be, and instead, in his moment, he

672
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: shanks a punt, not to mention that he kicked the

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Speaker 2: ball out of bounds twice basically and had the ball

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Speaker 2: at the forty yard line for the Chicago Bears. Those

675
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: type of things are what lose you football games. And

676
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 2: it's not one person that you pinpointed on, and you

677
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: want to because that makes it easy. If you have

678
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: a scapegoat that you can throw all the blame on,

679
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: it makes it easy. Just get rid of that guy,

680
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Speaker 2: or you know his time is limited here, whatever emotion

681
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Speaker 2: you want to have towards an individual. But when you

682
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Speaker 2: lose like a team, it just it seems like from

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Speaker 2: a larger thirty thousand foot view, this team just isn't

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Speaker 2: good enough in those moments to be a good team

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Speaker 2: and win games on the road.

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Speaker 1: And it seemed like on a couple of those sack opportunities,

687
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Speaker 1: kept trying to sack them high tiki yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: on the shoulder pads, and he did a great job

689
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Speaker 1: of ducking out of it. A couple of really nice

690
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Speaker 1: pins and look, Kayleb Williams is extremely talented. He's been

691
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Speaker 1: great at sack avoidance all year, so let's give him

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Speaker 1: credit to He's really good at one of the best

693
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Speaker 1: in football at it, so give him credit. But again,

694
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Speaker 1: if you're elite, even if you're the guy's elite, eventually

695
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: you got to make a play to win.

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Speaker 2: Some of them they had zero sacks. Yeah, they had

697
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: no sacks, and they were in the backfield constantly, constantly

698
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: putting pressure on Caleb Williams, and he was able to

699
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Speaker 2: find his way out of it and make those plays.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, I don't even I'm at a loss

701
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Speaker 2: for how this team finds ways to win games, especially

702
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Speaker 2: with the upcoming lose games, I mean lose games, the

703
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Speaker 2: upcoming Green Bay Packers and coming to town and and

704
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Speaker 2: then the tough schedule that follow Lions the Lion How

705
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Speaker 2: do you? How do you? How do you improve at

706
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: this point where you start to get this defeated feel

707
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Speaker 2: from this team, And it started with the head coach

708
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: at the podium again it's a bad loss on the road.

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Speaker 2: I get his despondency. I'm sure by tomorrow he's going

710
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Speaker 2: to be back and reinvigorated and and trying to send

711
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: the right message to this team. But every week it

712
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: feels like we're getting a repeat, a broken record of

713
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: the same stuff, over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: Giants Football is brought to you by Verizon Official five

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Speaker 1: Let's take a time out, we'll come back. We'll hear

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Speaker 1: from the players in the locker room. That and a

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Speaker 1: whole lot more. Right after this, Giants lose to the

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Speaker 1: Bears twenty four to twenty.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to Giants Extra Point on the Wfan Giants

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Speaker 3: Radio network.

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Speaker 12: This is THEO Johnson and you're listening to Giants Football

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Speaker 12: on the Fan Wfan and wfn FM, New York.

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Speaker 4: Racy the right of Dart in a shotgun set. Dark

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Speaker 4: takes the snap back to throw, pumps under pressure, rolls

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Speaker 4: to his right, now throws on the run.

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Speaker 11: He's got Johnson who makes the catch along the sideline.

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Speaker 2: Did he gets both feet in?

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Speaker 3: He?

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Speaker 10: Did?

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Speaker 4: They say it the Bears thirty two yard line.

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00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 2: About Jackson Dart on the run first.

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Speaker 4: And ten The Bears thirty nine is where they spotted Dark.

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Speaker 4: Twick set BLOB's won to the right, caught.

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Speaker 11: By Johnson in traffic and he's tackled at the thirteen

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Speaker 11: yard line with more than two seconds to go, clock

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Speaker 11: still windings, and.

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Speaker 1: Those are back to back plays in quarter number two,

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Speaker 1: setting up the Giants score to give them a ten

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Speaker 1: to seven lead in this ballgame. And that was tonight's

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Speaker 1: or today's rather plays of the game, brought to you

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Speaker 1: and we saw some unbelievable throws and catches in this game.

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Speaker 2: Teaky that that's the killer that first play.

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Speaker 1: Bob was kind of relaxed during the call, but that

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00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: was an unbelievable play. He rolls to the right as

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Speaker 1: he's kind of running out of bounds. He throws an

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Speaker 1: absolute bullet to THEO Johnson perfectly in front of him.

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Speaker 2: On the move.

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Speaker 1: Johnson does the toe drag to get his feet in

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Speaker 1: just a great throwing catch.

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Speaker 2: We talk a lot about the scramble rules for this

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00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: Giants team because Jackson Dart will hold the ball and

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Speaker 2: then try to make a play downfield. And what you

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00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: what you're your program to do sometimes is counterintuit and

758
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: so you got to be on a on a string

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Speaker 2: basically with your quarterback, and Theo Johnson was running exactly

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Speaker 2: parallel down down the field with the with with Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 2: and he made a great throw and a great catch.

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Speaker 2: And that's the shame of this. Theo Johnson, after struggling

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Speaker 2: a week ago, had a really good first half and

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Speaker 2: this game. Seven catches for seventy five yards in this

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Speaker 2: game and set up a lot of their scoring opportunities.

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Speaker 2: And in the second half he completely disappeared. Not his fault,

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Speaker 2: but it's because of what we were alluding to a

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Speaker 2: little bit earlier. They can't throw the ball over the

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Speaker 2: middle of the field with with with Russell Wilson at quarterback,

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Speaker 2: and so this game changed when Jackson Dart went out

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Speaker 2: of it. And you hate to rely so specifically or

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Speaker 2: singularly on your quarterback to be this catalyst, but that's

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Speaker 2: who he is, especially with camp Scataboo down for the

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Speaker 2: season with that dislocated ankle. And I feel for Jackson

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Speaker 2: Dart because you know he wanted to be out there.

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Speaker 2: You know he wanted to help this team win. And

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Speaker 2: we'll say Daves made the right call. If Dave's made

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Speaker 2: this call to send Jackson dart into the locker room,

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Speaker 2: it was the absolute right call, but it also put

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Speaker 2: them in a position where it got it became a

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Speaker 2: struggle to win it in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, theo Johnson of this game, teak, he, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: played really well. He finished this game catching seven passers

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Speaker 1: for seventy five yards. He spoke in the locker room

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Speaker 1: after the game. Let's listen in in and out the

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Speaker 1: entire day.

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Speaker 2: But yet you guys threw the ball pretty well today.

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Speaker 10: How surprising is that? Was that always part of the plan,

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Speaker 10: that whether or not we're going to throw it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, we knew all week that there's a good chance

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Speaker 12: of there'd been some some weather that that was going

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Speaker 12: to be so nice. But you know, we practice outside

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Speaker 12: every single day. We were all kind of prepared for it.

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Speaker 12: So when it came, we didn't flinch.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate each time to thank you.

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Speaker 7: You know, how difficult was that the cere starting quarterback

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Speaker 7: finished the game.

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Speaker 12: You know, it was tough. I I didn't really even

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Speaker 12: know what was going on, so you know, we just

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Speaker 12: kind of kept rolling. But still I'm not really too

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Speaker 12: sure what the situation is, but it's it's never good

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Speaker 12: to not have your guy out here.

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Speaker 19: So you didn't know it's obviously he's don't there for

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Speaker 19: two plays quarter ends. Did you look in the uddle

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Speaker 19: and surprised to see rest there? Did you realize in

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Speaker 19: the in between periods my coach kind.

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Speaker 12: Of like gave me heads up, like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 12: there might be something going on with Jackson, but we

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Speaker 12: weren't sure, like, you know, if it's gonna be for

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Speaker 12: the game or not. So I had a little bit

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Speaker 12: of an idea.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he is big, bangs up and comes back

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Speaker 7: at the game, so exap just assumed, you know, he

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Speaker 7: always takes a hit and seems to come back.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, he he's a tough guy. So I

816
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Speaker 12: had an idea that maybe he'd be coming back, but

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Speaker 12: we weren't too sure.

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Speaker 19: So you can't let out your emotions right after the

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Speaker 19: last dar I failed. What was going through your head

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Speaker 19: in that moment?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, uh, frustration. I just want to win,

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Speaker 12: so when you don't you get it done.

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Speaker 2: It's it's frustrating. Should he should you be winning these games?

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Speaker 12: Deal?

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Speaker 7: But now just just do that game to you, you know,

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Speaker 7: like double Bud Jackon's in your fourth quarter.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we're we're doing a.

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Speaker 12: Lot of good things. Uh, we just gotta finish, you know,

829
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Speaker 12: like it it's when it comes to a nut cut

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Speaker 12: and time, we're not getting do it.

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Speaker 19: And I said, it's this building, it's a four in

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Speaker 19: a row, and you've had a couple of losses like this.

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Speaker 19: How do you maintain the belief that it is gonna happen?

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Speaker 12: Cause you love the game and if you wash the

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Speaker 12: tape like you turn the game on. We're doing a

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Speaker 12: lot of good stuff, just when it matters the most. Uh,

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Speaker 12: we're not capitalizing, We're we're not finishing the place.

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Speaker 6: We're not execute him.

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Speaker 12: So I think that's how you keep the belief is

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Speaker 12: is like we're we're so close. We just gotta when

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Speaker 12: it matters most, make the place.

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Speaker 7: It seems like Jackson's.

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Speaker 8: Make if it's happened when he was out there, you

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Speaker 8: know who?

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Speaker 12: He says that Tom he was playing well, he always does.

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00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 12: He's been playing great every sooner game. Is it a

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00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 12: fourth quarter issue or is it because the first part

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00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 12: of the game, you guys see the score quick.

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Speaker 2: You guys have no problem you know keeping possession.

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Speaker 12: Is there something that towards the end of the game,

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Speaker 12: that's that's maybe changing offensively. Yeah, I think that, you know,

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Speaker 12: we have them on the roads, we just got to finish.

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Speaker 12: There's been a lot of times where you know, have

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Speaker 12: a lead and we just can't capitalize on it and

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Speaker 12: can't you know, give that last punch to kind of

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Speaker 12: finish the game off.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna hear from more players, Tiki, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if the players have answers here limited games

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Speaker 1: like this, you know, yeah, because it's not.

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Speaker 2: This didn't feel like an effort thing. This felt like

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Speaker 2: a we got out played in critical moments thing. And

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Speaker 2: that's an improvement I guess from a week ago against

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers or even a couple of weeks

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Speaker 2: ago against the against the Eagles. So they they played

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Speaker 2: well enough to win. It's just there is a mentality

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Speaker 2: that it takes to win on the road against good teams.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think that the Bears are world beaters

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Speaker 2: by any stretch of the imagination. But they are a

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Speaker 2: team that will keep fighting. They'll keep hitting you in

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Speaker 2: the mouth over and over and over again, and they

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Speaker 2: have a quarterback who's a winner, and you know, it

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Speaker 2: and we just saw it, and so you have to

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Speaker 2: match that, and you have to match it with plays,

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Speaker 2: and the Giants didn't.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a timeout and we'll come back

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Speaker 1: here from Brian Burns in the locker room. That and

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Speaker 1: a whole lot more Giants lose to the Bears twenty

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Speaker 1: four to twenty.

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Speaker 21: This is Brian Burns and you're listening to Giants football

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Speaker 1: to the Bears twenty four to twenty. In the building

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Speaker 1: and so I sold your field, was Paulatino. He was

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Speaker 1: in the locker room after the game as well. Paul,

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00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: I got to imagine, and this is becoming a little

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00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: bit repetitive in the worst possible way. Give us a

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00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: feel for what that locker room was like after the

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Speaker 1: Giants blew yet another double digit lead on the road

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 10: I know, John, we've talked about some of these hard,

898
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Speaker 10: gut punching losses, about anger, about disgust, about disappointment. Now

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Speaker 10: I think it's numbness, to be frank with you. I

900
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 10: think a lot of guys are now, you know, drinking

901
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 10: down the novacane because that's what it's become. And you

902
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 10: listen to a guy like Brian Burns talking at his

903
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 10: locker today a second that audio later. Ye, but Burns

904
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 10: is like, you know, we're doing everything we're supposed to do.

905
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 10: We're leading these games. You know, this is the fourth

906
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 10: time that the Giants have blown at least a ten

907
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 10: point lead on the road and lost. I mean, that's

908
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 10: pretty hard to do, right, And and you know, Burns

909
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 10: is like, we believe in the coaches, we believe in everybody.

910
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 10: We know we can win, we know we can compete

911
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 10: with people, and we're just not finishing the games. And

912
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 10: nobody seems to have the answer why. But I'm getting

913
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Speaker 10: the emotional vibe that it's now numbness. And that's the

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Speaker 10: best word I can use.

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Speaker 2: Man, Paul.

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00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: It's funny. Before the season started, we looked at the

917
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: Giants schedule. What was the one key we said, at

918
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: the Giants wanted to overcome a tough schedule and win

919
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: a lot of games this year. We said they would

920
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: have to win close games. And they had just been

921
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: unable to.

922
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Speaker 10: Have to eliminate mistakes or at least have as few

923
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 10: mistakes as possible so they could squeeze past a number

924
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Speaker 10: of these so called middleweight division teams. John, it it

925
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Speaker 10: just hasn't happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is this is a team that was

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Speaker 2: in their weight class, so to speak, the Chicago Bears,

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00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 2: and and and they went blow for blow with Actually

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00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: they had they had the advantage from the majority of

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Speaker 2: this game, and they couldn't They couldn't finish it. And

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Speaker 2: you know, it's interesting because we talked so much last

932
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Speaker 2: week and the week before about the ineptitude of this defense.

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Speaker 2: Give the defense credit. They stepped up from the majority

934
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Speaker 2: of this game, saying for those last two drives, the

935
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Speaker 2: two touchdown drives, which were the winning ones that matter,

936
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Speaker 2: But they they weren't a sieve defensively. They they stopped

937
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: the run, they they got the pressures, they did everything

938
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Speaker 2: they're supposed to do. They just couldn't find a way

939
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: when it mattered.

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Speaker 10: Most Chiky to your point, with about what was it

941
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Speaker 10: six and a half minutes left in the game, to

942
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 10: that point, the Giants defense had only given up three

943
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Speaker 10: plays of twenty yards or more and I think the

944
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Speaker 10: longest play was a doones for twenty seven they had

945
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Speaker 10: held the Bears to that point, I think two for

946
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Speaker 10: ten third downs and one for four and fourth downs.

947
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Speaker 10: Now I know that that the Bears had some drop

948
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Speaker 10: passes in there, so some of that were some of

949
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 10: those things were missed chances by Chicago. But nonetheless, the

950
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Speaker 10: Giants were finding a way to campaign Williams in terms

951
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 10: of making big plays off his scrambles, and they were

952
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Speaker 10: getting off the field. And then in the last six

953
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 10: minutes it all changed. But I want to point to

954
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 10: one thing about this change here in the last six minutes,

955
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Speaker 10: and I don't know if you guys have talked about it,

956
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Speaker 10: but to me, those two Giants possessions with about eight

957
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 10: and a half minutes to go, and then at a

958
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 10: twenty to ten game, and then when they got the

959
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Speaker 10: ball back and had three and out after it was

960
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Speaker 10: twenty to seventeen. To me, that's where the game was lost,

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Speaker 10: even more than the defense. Because the Giants were about

962
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Speaker 10: watch seven and a half or so to go. They

963
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 10: could call for a full start and an offensive hold

964
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Speaker 10: on consecutive plays. Yeah, and then Tracy runs out of bounds.

965
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Speaker 10: So that's three straight plays.

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Speaker 16: You have a ten.

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Speaker 10: Point lead with what six and a half left, seven maybe,

968
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 10: and on three consecutive plays the clock stops.

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00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 10: I don't know how you guys felt, but right then

971
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 10: and there I said to myself, oh, no, somebody just

972
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 10: left the door a jar. Well, then on the next

973
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 10: offensive position they were three and out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing you needed to do in that

975
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: moment you're down by now you're up by a score,

976
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Speaker 2: three points, and what you need is he need the

977
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Speaker 2: first down to keep momentum or drive momentum back into

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Speaker 2: your favor. And it just didn't happen. And again, Russell

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00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 2: Wilson hasn't played since Week three of the season, other

980
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: than a couple of snaps he had to take. But

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Speaker 2: this felt like the offense can't function as efficiently or

982
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: effectively without Jackson Dart and I know that he's likely

983
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: he's in concussion protocol now he's likely not to play

984
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: next week, But did you get a sense in the

985
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 2: locker room of the fear that Jackson Dart's not going

986
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: to be available.

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Speaker 10: I didn't get that sense, Tiki, to be frank with you,

988
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 10: because a lot of guys on offense, in discussing what

989
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 10: happened in this game, pointed to the watch seventy plus

990
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 10: yard drive and started the fourth quarter when the Giants

991
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 10: get all the way down to the one. Now, of

992
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 10: course they had to settle for a field goal, which,

993
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 10: as we all know, losers were meant when you lead

994
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 10: points on the board, they'll usually come back to bite you.

995
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 10: And so you young Hoku has to get a nineteen

996
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 10: yard field goal, and they're knocking on the doorstep at

997
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 10: the one and they can't get the ball in. I mean, again,

998
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 10: we're talking about a concophony of mistakes and things that

999
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 10: are self destructive. I mean, then it's combined with the

1000
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 10: punt that Jamie Gillen you know shakes, you know, leading

1001
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 10: to the last winning drive. It's just it just continues

1002
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 10: to pile up.

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00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: And then right before that punt, Paul, they had a

1004
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: protection breakdown and nobody blocked Chauncey Gardner Johnson and that

1005
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: allowed to sackle on a big third down, So you're right,

1006
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of up and down.

1007
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 2: Get on the bus. I know this bad weather out there.

1008
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys are able to take off on time

1009
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: and you get them safely, and we'll talk to you

1010
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: tomorrow on Big Blue Kickoff Live on the Giants app

1011
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: at twelve thirty.

1012
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 10: Thanks guys, fingers crossed and we'll see tomorrow.

1013
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: Thank you, Paul.

1014
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm want to get to Brian Burns now downstairs after

1015
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: the game, then I'll ask you a question about defensive playmakers.

1016
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: Here's Brian Burns talking to the media.

1017
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1018
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: I glad it made some good adjustments.

1019
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 21: They were testing a lot of our rules, you know,

1020
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 21: and Covery Man, I really.

1021
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 10: Feel like we got a lot of our pennies.

1022
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 9: Sound really you were crossing you can get her in

1023
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 9: three weeks ago.

1024
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 17: Usually hearing this thing in a very similar.

1025
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 9: Spot here a couple weeks later at fett Oh.

1026
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 12: No man was ahead to answer.

1027
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: But it's like the fourth game.

1028
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 21: You don't know, you know, eat ourselves in the fourth quarter,

1029
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 21: putting putting together three three great quarters in the coming

1030
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 21: You're not finishing all enough. That's what's a tough question.

1031
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 20: To how do you keep I mean when you look

1032
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 20: at that it I obviously you're looking within yourselves. Do

1033
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 20: you ever wonder I mean, obviously the coaches are trying

1034
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 20: to give you, send you a message, right Uh. I

1035
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 20: don't know what Dave said afterwards.

1036
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 6: I don't see professional laws.

1037
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 10: But it's a.

1038
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 20: Difficulty to to maintain your confidence in the coaching or

1039
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 20: you know now you know that you're trying to blame

1040
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 20: somebody cause you doesn't make it on the field making

1041
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 20: a plays, and they're they're certainly in a question right now,

1042
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 20: Dave's and staff.

1043
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 6: I ain't really focus on, you know anything. We're relating

1044
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 6: to the future.

1045
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 21: I mean, cause Loca's not trying to get in a win,

1046
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 21: you know, trying to finish out of these damn games.

1047
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 21: You know, that's the only thing that really matter right now,

1048
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 21: cause we were playing good love just not finishing the

1049
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 21: mess through.

1050
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 10: That's a tough part.

1051
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 18: I you feel like on the fourth part that you

1052
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 18: guys are pressing a lot of it, or certain guys

1053
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 18: are pressing a little bit because the past failures are

1054
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 18: the back of your mind. Pressing as a will forcing

1055
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 18: the issue and trying to maybe play outside of hon

1056
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 18: another kind of things that happen.

1057
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 10: I'm not sure.

1058
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 5: I think.

1059
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 21: I think there are slip.

1060
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 6: Ups in in in the in the one and.

1061
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 21: Eleven as far as like doing your job and that

1062
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 21: it really comes down to my family, you know, just

1063
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 21: being able to keep going and and focusing on what you.

1064
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 12: Have to do.

1065
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 21: I don't think he might as like trying to, you know,

1066
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 21: be Superman. But at the end of the days, my

1067
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 21: dad here, my dad there, from every every other guy

1068
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 21: and ultimately is and you know, an explosive and then

1069
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 21: like I said, I'm still self inflicted moment.

1070
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: And shooting or something, you know.

1071
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: To This is why I want to take this before

1072
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: we say goodbout our radio network here. I think one

1073
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: thing about this defense, and Brian runs made the point

1074
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: they've been good through two or three quarters in a

1075
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: lot of these games, and things have kind of fallen apart. Yes,

1076
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: And by the way, Brian Burns is not in this

1077
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: category that I'm about to talk about, because he has

1078
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: made a number of big plays this year. The guys

1079
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Speaker 1: on this defense that are supposed to be difference makers,

1080
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Speaker 1: I don't have to listen to players.

1081
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: The fans know who they are.

1082
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: Why haven't we seen enough just really good individual plays

1083
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: and individual efforts. And that's something Maybe I'm wrong you

1084
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: tell me as a former player that to me is

1085
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: not a coaching thing.

1086
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: That is a player thing. It is, but it's also

1087
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: being ready for the moment thing. And I think if

1088
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Speaker 2: you go back and you look at the forty nine

1089
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: Ers game, the forty nine ers just just handed it

1090
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: down to them. They they just beat them. Yeah, it

1091
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: wasn't It wasn't a close game. It wasn't. Well, if

1092
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: we would have made this player that play, we probably

1093
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 2: win the football game. But the games that have been

1094
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Speaker 2: like that, these close games, it's it's understanding when the

1095
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: moment is the moment. And Brian Burns has been phenomenal.

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00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: I think Kevon Thibodeau is hurt. I know, not think

1097
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: I know he's hurt right now. Dexter Lawrence took a

1098
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 2: long time to get his motor going this game after

1099
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: a very promising start, with some pressures and some you

1100
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: saw the effort there some tackles and et cetera, or

1101
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: at least in the in the in the vicinity the

1102
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: vicinity of some tackles he kind of he disappeared. You

1103
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: didn't hear his name again later later on in this game.

1104
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: And I think they're compromised in their secondary, and we've

1105
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: known this for a few weeks. Deontay Banks is just

1106
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: he's not a reliable cornerback, whether it's stupid handsy penalties

1107
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: that end up giving getting first downs or in a

1108
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: lot of cases, negating sacks that the defense you know,

1109
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 2: whereas able to procure. It comes down to making plays

1110
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: and moments, and there's not enough of those guys on

1111
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: this team. And there were once again negative one in

1112
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: terms of tun over ratio. And if you're not negative

1113
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 2: one a tonover ratio, this is game you might win. Look,

1114
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: we talked about Jackson Dart, how good he's been. The

1115
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty six or so snaps that he

1116
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: had played prior to this game were there were really

1117
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 2: only six turnover worthy plays and this game he had

1118
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: too one which he was saved for because Gunner Olszewski

1119
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: knocked the ball away from a clear interception in the

1120
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: in the red zone right before halftime, and then obviously

1121
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 2: the fumble, and those plays will lose you games when

1122
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: it's the margins are so tight right. I think the

1123
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 2: team this team is is they play hard. I think

1124
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: they're they're they're actually well coached in certain aspects, but

1125
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 2: they're not playing well in the margins. That comes down

1126
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: the player execution and players realizing I have to make

1127
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: this play and I'm going to make this play.

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00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if when the PFF folks look

1129
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 1: at it, if they give him a turnover worthy play

1130
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: on the little steam route that he hit Edmonds in

1131
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: the back of the head on the scene, I'm.

1132
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: Curious to see if they played that. But a lot

1133
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: of times you think the linebacker is going to turn

1134
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: around now. But when when you see and it's a

1135
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 2: and it's a man type look, and it wasn't because

1136
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: it was his zone. It was just a linebacker running

1137
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: down the middle of the field with the tight end.

1138
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: When when when that defenders this is whether it's a

1139
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: corner of safety, linebacker, etc. When that defenders back is

1140
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: to you, you see the back of his head head,

1141
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: you throw that ball one hundred out of one hundred

1142
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 2: times because then it's on your receiver to go make

1143
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: a play on the ball. I don't think that was

1144
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: a turnover worthy play. And if it had a little

1145
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: bit more height on it, it might have been a touchdown.

1146
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: And so yeah, Jackson Dart is learning to make that

1147
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: throw and trust his wide receivers. And despite some of

1148
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: the feelings that we might have for THEO Johnson that

1149
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: drops that he's had so far this season, Jackson Dart

1150
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: still trust him and you saw it to a pretty

1151
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: good clip today with seven receptions for seventy five yards,

1152
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: as we talked about earlier.

1153
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,399
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1154
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,319
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1155
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,880
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1156
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,960
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00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,720
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00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,120
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1159
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,880
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1160
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1161
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1163
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1164
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,440
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1165
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1166
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1167
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: The Giants ball to the Bears twenty four to twenty

1168
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: on the WFAN Giants Radio Network. But if you're listening

1169
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: to on WFM, we still got around the half an

1170
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: hour to go. Stick with us. Tik and I will

1171
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 2: open up the phones.

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Speaker 1: We'll take your calls at eight eight eight eight o

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Speaker 1: eight one zero one nine eighty eight eight oh eight

1174
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: one zero one nine. We'll have some more guys in

1175
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: the locker room as well as we continue breaking down

1176
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: Giants and Bears right here on the fan until Nets

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Speaker 1: basketball comes your way at ten to six.

1178
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Speaker 2: Will be right back.

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Speaker 17: This is Wanda Robinson and you're listening to Giants football

1180
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 17: on the fan WFAN and w f A n FM,

1181
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 17: New York.

1182
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: We're back here on Giants Extra point. John Smelt, Tiki

1183
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: Barber with you. Will open up the phones at eight

1184
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: eight eight eight eight one zero one nine. We're gonna

1185
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: hear from some more guys at the in the locker

1186
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: room as well. After again the Giants just a brutal

1187
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty loss.

1188
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Speaker 2: Here. All right, let's go to the calls eight eight,

1189
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Speaker 2: eight eighth.

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Speaker 1: Eight one zero one nine. Let's lead things off with

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Speaker 1: Mike and Clifton Park. Mike, what's going on?

1192
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 22: Hey, So I just want to talk about you know,

1193
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 22: there's a bunch of coaching meltpractice here by Dable. I

1194
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 22: mean you can look at the penalties, you can look

1195
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 22: at some of the play calls in the fourth quarter

1196
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 22: that didn't take time off off the clock. But my

1197
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 22: biggest worry is the continued design runs for Jackson's Dart.

1198
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 22: You know, Brian Dable has a responsibility to win, but

1199
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Speaker 22: also has a responsibility to keep Jackson Dart safe and

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00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 22: not squeeze all the juice out of him. And every

1201
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 22: time there's there's a design run, I hold my breath.

1202
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 22: You have other players that can run the ball, and

1203
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 22: I have to tell you, if I'm the owner and

1204
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 22: I see the future of my franchise with these design runs,

1205
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 22: eventually he's going to get hurt. And it has to

1206
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 22: be This can't be about Brian Deebel having to win.

1207
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 10: To save this job.

1208
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 22: It has to be protecting the quarterback and balancing that

1209
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 22: out much better. I don't trust Brian Deaebel at this

1210
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 22: point to balance that out, and if I had to

1211
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 22: relieve him to protect my quarterback, I would do it

1212
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 22: because he looks like a desperate coach who will use

1213
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 22: Jackson Dart and ride him to a win regardless of

1214
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 22: what happens on the field.

1215
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think I see that a little

1216
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: bit differently. Jackson Dart is a six skill position player.

1217
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: You talk about teams that are able to use their

1218
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 2: quarterback to pick up yardage the way that Jackson Dart does.

1219
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: It's your responsibility to do that. It's Jackson Dart's responsibility

1220
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: to know when he can take contact and when he

1221
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 2: should not. That's been the issue last weekend and the

1222
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 2: previous weekends. He's running into contact, He's an initiating it

1223
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, and that's why he's been

1224
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: in harm's way in this game. I thought the two

1225
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: especially two touchdowns, were perfectly designed play calls. You had

1226
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: his own read, so you have the defense keying on

1227
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: the running back. He correctly keeps the football and basically

1228
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: goes untouched for two touchdowns. It's the other ones when

1229
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: there is traffic and he knows that contact is going

1230
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: to come, how is he taking that contact? That's what

1231
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: he needs to learn because that's how he stays safe

1232
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: and not just constantly thinking that he's a fullback like

1233
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: Cam's cataboo who can run through contact. He's not going

1234
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: to be able to do that. His body's not built

1235
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: that way. He doesn't have the callouses like the football

1236
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: calluses to do that. With that all being said, he's

1237
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 2: also a football player. And I know we have legislated

1238
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: to a large degree contact from quarterbacks, but you are

1239
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: also a football player. Yeah, and I'll say this.

1240
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: We talked about Josh Allen earlier in the show, but

1241
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to move forward to the first year Brian

1242
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: Dables here with the Giants.

1243
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: How tikey did the Giants have a lot of success

1244
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. Yeah, Daniel Jones running the ball

1245
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, And again, you got to be measured

1246
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: about it. Daniel Jones stayed healthy for the majority of

1247
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 2: that twenty twenty two season because Daniel Jones was a

1248
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: six year VET at that point, and he knew how

1249
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: and when to take contact, and it's a learned thing.

1250
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: Every player has their proverbial welcome to the NFL moment.

1251
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 2: I'll never forget mine. It was against the Saint Louis.

1252
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: Then Rams and Toby Wright came from the safety spot

1253
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: full speed fifteen yards away and drilled me blindside and

1254
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: knocked me unconscious. This is the only time I think

1255
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: in my career I was unconscious on the field, and

1256
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: I learned not to cut back without looking, you know

1257
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: what I mean. So Jackson Dart's gonna learn these things

1258
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: as he gets more and more into his career. But

1259
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 2: I agree to an extent he does have to be told.

1260
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: I think at certain points the play is dead. You

1261
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: can't anymore go down the play that he fumbled on,

1262
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: I looked it up. He gained seven yards on a

1263
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: second and six, so he's trying to get the first

1264
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 2: down there, So I understand that. Yeah, but there's also

1265
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: a method of being a runner. I mean, could you

1266
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: maybe get down and just try to dive that? So

1267
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: that's my point. So it took me a while to

1268
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: learn this, and this is why I had fumbling issues.

1269
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't about the contact. I wasn't afraid of getting

1270
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: hit and you know, getting banged around. That's what That's

1271
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: why I built my body up to do. But there's

1272
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: a way that you have to go through contact and

1273
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 2: it's keep to me. It was keeping the ball high

1274
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 2: and tight, getting very small, you know, not wide open,

1275
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: not leaving any exposed areas, but crossing the ball in

1276
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: front of my body, putting both hands wrapped around it,

1277
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: high and tight, and shrinking into contact so that my

1278
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: surface area was smaller. And so if a runner, if

1279
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: a defender would hit me, it's likely a glancing blow

1280
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: and not me standing tall and proud and like I'm running.

1281
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: I'm not Brandon Jacobs, right, I'm not running through you know, contact,

1282
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: and someone's bouncing off of me or Josh Allen, who's

1283
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty pounds, a smaller defender. In this case,

1284
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: it was a smaller defender the originally hit Jackson Dart

1285
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: and calls that fuck the cornerback. Here's a cornerback who

1286
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: hit him from the side, and if he gets smaller

1287
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 2: and protects the ball, that cornerback likely glances off his

1288
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: back and he gets tackled and he falls down and

1289
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: gets the first down. He gets up and he's fine. Instead,

1290
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: he's wide open, body up, ball is exposed. He gets hit,

1291
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: ball comes loose, he tries to corral it, he goes

1292
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: to the ground hard and I don't think it was

1293
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: the hit. I think it was probably the ground that

1294
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: likely calls the jarring of his brain inside his head

1295
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: and likely led to the concussion. But there's a way

1296
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: that you go into contact and you almost have to

1297
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: be taut it otherwise you don't know how to do it,

1298
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: and I think Jackson Dart doesn't know how to go

1299
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: through contact.

1300
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: All right, we'll stick with the same topic. Vincent Daviel

1301
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: wants to talk about the same thing. Vince, what's going on?

1302
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I agree with the previous caller. I think

1303
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 14: Gable now is putting Jackson harm's way. He's a potential

1304
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 14: franchise quarterback and he's putting him in harm's way. I

1305
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Speaker 14: understand the goal line runs. I got it. And Tiki,

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Speaker 14: I think he had a lot to this this show.

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Speaker 14: I really like what you have to say. But they

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Speaker 14: weren't zone reads. Those were straight quarterback counters. And that's

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Speaker 14: great when it's that's great when it's tight, you're on

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Speaker 14: the you're inside the five, you're not going to take

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Speaker 14: a lot of contact. You can go down. But when

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Speaker 14: you're in the middle of the field and you have

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Speaker 14: a ten point lead, there's no reason for him to

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Speaker 14: be running the football.

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Speaker 10: There.

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Speaker 14: You have two other backs that are capable. Let them

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Speaker 14: do it. I get it when you're inside the five.

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Speaker 14: And one other thing. You guys mentioned that they won

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Speaker 14: in twenty two, and they did, but remember that roster

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Speaker 14: was put together by Dave Gettlman. Shane's picks and you

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Speaker 14: can go through them, Nuban, Thibodeaux, Neil Flop, they have

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Speaker 14: all been bussed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but now you're flipping around, so stick to

1324
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Speaker 2: one thing here. We don't need to talk about Joe

1325
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 2: Shane and his draft picks. We know the fallacy or

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Speaker 2: the or the faults of some of the draft picks

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Speaker 2: that he's brought into this game. I know a little

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Speaker 2: bit of football. I'm telling you that those were zone

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Speaker 2: ree plays. Jackson Dart is reading the defensive end. When

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Speaker 2: the defensive end stays and is going to blow up

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01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 2: the play, he pulls the ball and he runs with

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Speaker 2: the pullers going back his side. There's a reason that

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Speaker 2: that you you design a play to be successful to

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Speaker 2: both sides. If the defensive edge drops out, you hand

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Speaker 2: that ball off and the running back is going to

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Speaker 2: go get five or six yards. If the defensive edge

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Speaker 2: stays there, you create two blockers for the quarterback to

1338
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Speaker 2: now have leads, right, it's better to have him with

1339
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Speaker 2: two blockers as opposed to the running back with two blockers,

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Speaker 2: and you leave it on the defense to make decision.

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Speaker 2: So I know what you're saying. I get it. Jackson

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Speaker 2: Dart needs to be better at taking contact is ultimately

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Speaker 2: what it comes down to, because at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, he is a football player, and he knows

1345
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: he's a football player, and he wants to be a

1346
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: tough one. But there's a way to stay healthy. It's

1347
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: one of the hardest things for rookies to learn how

1348
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: to do that, is to stay healthy, and Jackson Dart

1349
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Speaker 2: hasn't learned it yet. All right, let's go to Richie

1350
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Speaker 2: and Queen's He's on next. What's up Richie?

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Speaker 8: Hey, guysah tee, I totally agree. You look at Jalen Hurt,

1352
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 8: she runs quite a bit. He just knows when you

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01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 8: get down Urry Verry seldom.

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Speaker 14: Is he and Halm's way right.

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Speaker 8: And you know, in that particular play, I don't like

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Speaker 8: the fact that they are off ten at that point

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Speaker 8: to give him that, you know, maybe that point you

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Speaker 8: kind of the least you want to do is get

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Speaker 8: a field. Go John. We spoke Saturday, YEP, and I

1360
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Speaker 8: told you how I feel about these Russians. And it's

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Speaker 8: great that they put pressure and their times of pressure

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Speaker 8: did help. But you know, it's like it's like having

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01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 8: a power hitter that sometimes has warning track power. You've

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Speaker 8: got to finish the play. You talked about it. You're

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Speaker 8: up ten, you got five minutes to go. You get

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Speaker 8: that sacket's three third and twelve.

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Speaker 14: They're not more.

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Speaker 8: They're not watching down in a minute, in ten seconds

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01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 8: and and and it seems like that's what's happening big

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01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 8: chunk plays. You know, Brian's been great, he gets caught

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01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 8: out inside. They got no help on the edges, okery.

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Speaker 8: The linebackers have been Let's face you, guys, it's not

1373
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 8: just the backfield the secondary that the linebackers have been terrible.

1374
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Speaker 8: So and even now they're up three, the worst you

1375
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Speaker 8: want to do is give up with you know, okay,

1376
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Speaker 8: we're going to tie the game. They come right down again.

1377
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Speaker 8: So I could care less about the defense being great

1378
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 8: for forty minutes or forty five minutes. They just do

1379
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Speaker 8: not come up. And I watched Carter John we talked

1380
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Speaker 8: about it Saturday. He was being he was being blocked

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Speaker 8: by a tight end. He is, and he's there to

1382
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Speaker 8: make plays. If you're going to be a great player individually,

1383
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 8: you brought it up. You've got to get a sack

1384
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Speaker 8: on your own, with your own physical ability. They do

1385
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Speaker 8: not do that. Be frustrating guys.

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Speaker 2: He's also a rookie, Carter, and so he's got a

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Speaker 2: lot of learning to do. He's a good player, he

1388
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 2: impacts games and ways of the don't show up on

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01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 2: the stat sheet, but he is also a rookie and

1390
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: there's a learning curve, learning process that that is necessary

1391
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: for I think every player. Some guys get it right away,

1392
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: not everybody does. And look Richie, when we were talking

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Speaker 2: yesterday in the morning. By the way, you guys can

1394
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Speaker 2: check out our Giants previous show, Big B Kickoff on

1395
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 2: Saturday morning on the Fan with Mark Blusis and I.

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Speaker 2: You know, last week the Niners got the ball out

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Speaker 2: extremely quickly under two and a half seconds average time

1398
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 2: at though for Mac Jones that was not the case

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Speaker 2: this week. Now, Caleb Williams was holding the ball, Guys

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01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: had opportunities to make plays, which is why I brought

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Speaker 2: a multiple time steek. He Eventually you gotta get Caleb

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Speaker 2: Williams down. Yeah, you got you gotta, you gotta. I

1403
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 2: always talk about plans, like the best edge rushers, the

1404
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: best sackers of quarterbacks, they have a plan, and it's

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01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: not the same for every player. If you're if Mac

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Speaker 2: Jones was playing our same game plan for the Chicago

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Speaker 2: Bears and he's dropping back and he's under pressure, it's

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01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 2: pretty easy on how to get Mac Jones down. Just

1409
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: get get a body on him. He's going to the ground.

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams has a a very elusive nature to his

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01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: upper body, like he's very bendable, and so when you

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Speaker 2: go high, he's gonna make you miss. You have to

1413
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 2: stemy him in his legs, keep his feet from moving.

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Speaker 2: And those high tackles which you saw him over and

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Speaker 2: over and over again, are are hard to bring him

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Speaker 2: down with. Now some of those, you know, it's just

1417
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 2: you're not in a position to make a low tackle.

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Speaker 2: You have to take him up y because that's the

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01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 2: way we can get your hands on them. Sure, but

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Speaker 2: you also have to slow down sometimes and gather yourself

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Speaker 2: so that you don't get fooled by his elusiveness.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a time out. We'll come back,

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Speaker 1: take a few more calls. Maybe we'll play a little

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Speaker 1: bit aredo from downstairs. We're taking you up until ten

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01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: to six when NETS basketball comes your way.

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Speaker 2: Nixon Nets tonight. Make sure you go check that out.

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Speaker 2: Quick time out. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Giants LOOSEI the Bears twenty four to twenty. We're back

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Speaker 1: here on Giants Extra point. Giants Football is brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Verizon, the official five G network of the

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Speaker 1: New York Giants, Verizon America's most reliable network.

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Speaker 2: The player press conferences.

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Speaker 1: Today, we're brought to you by MetLife, the official insurance

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Speaker 1: company of the New York Giants.

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Speaker 2: Let's go downstairs. Devin single Terry dressed the media after

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Speaker 2: the game.

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Speaker 17: Talk about your due play down the forty catch there

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Speaker 17: with Russ.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know Russ. Russ gave me a chance and

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01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 7: I was able to make a make a play burger

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01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 7: tack and make up play. THEO was a was a

1442
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 7: big lead block right there, and it was a spark

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Speaker 7: that we needed.

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01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 19: Were you surprised you guys kicked the field goal from

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01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 19: the one yard line?

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Speaker 23: Uh?

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Speaker 7: No, I mean take points, take points.

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Speaker 21: Any conversation as far as on the sideline or from

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Speaker 21: coach about going going for the touchdown there after that

1450
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Speaker 21: penalty on that.

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Speaker 7: Field on maybe a little bit, but you know we

1452
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Speaker 7: we decided to take the points.

1453
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Speaker 21: Definite surprise to be in this situation again, and it

1454
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 21: was only.

1455
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Speaker 2: Three three weeks ago.

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Speaker 8: You guys, you know, had that loss in Denver.

1457
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Speaker 19: Feels like we're asking the same questions.

1458
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 20: You guys have to give the same answers.

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Speaker 17: Is it is it frustrating to be in the same spot?

1460
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Speaker 10: It is?

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Speaker 2: It is?

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Speaker 10: Man.

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Speaker 7: You you know, we go out there, we worked so hard,

1464
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Speaker 7: lad on the line, and you know, we just didn't

1465
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Speaker 7: get the result that we wanted for What has to change?

1466
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 7: I just got to evaluate that. You know, see what

1467
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,439
Speaker 7: we didn't the plays that we didn't make, and I'll

1468
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,959
Speaker 7: move forward and make those plays moving forward.

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Speaker 22: You've been around Dable a long time.

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Speaker 3: What does this team still have confidence in him?

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Speaker 7: I will say so, I will say we do.

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Speaker 2: That's definite singletary.

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Speaker 1: After the game, we could squeeze in some phone calls

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Speaker 1: here for the next eight minutes or so before we

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Speaker 1: give way to Bob Usler, Tim Capshaw, Nixon nets right

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01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: here on the fan, coming your way in about nine minutes.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Clay in far Rockaway.

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Speaker 1: He's up next to here on Giants extra point Clay,

1479
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Speaker 1: what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Clay going once, Clay going twice, Clay soul. Let's go

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Speaker 2: to our buddy Harvey and Dix Hills. Harvey, what's up? Harvey?

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Speaker 16: Are you all? You know? You know you don't talk.

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01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 16: You're talking about coaching. You know, Shane Bone has been

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01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 16: rather vanilla or mediocoma. That's my opinion since it came here.

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Speaker 16: But having said that, if you're looking for answers, I've

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Speaker 16: tried to look for answers myself, and I think one

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Speaker 16: of the weaknesses I've just offense has been setting the

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01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 16: edge or his call calls containment, or my coach called

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Speaker 16: boxing in. There just seems to be too many situations

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Speaker 16: where the quarterback goes around the right or left end,

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01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 16: either the defense stops or they just don't touch them.

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Speaker 16: And I think that's a major weakness here. And of

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01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 16: course my coach used to say, you need defensive back coverage,

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Speaker 16: and you know it really depends on that. You really

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01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 16: can't blitz, for example, when your defensive backs are not covering.

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Speaker 16: That's where I think one of the big weaknesses. Your

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Speaker 16: comment about that, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, I think that is part of it. And you

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Speaker 2: saw some Caleb Williams scrambles. They picked up some big

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Speaker 2: chunkyard aage when they were playing man coverage and it

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01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 2: becomes unfortunately, athlete for athlete, And that was on the

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Speaker 2: game winning touchdown. Caleb Williams is scrambled pushing out of

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Speaker 2: the pocket and he's man covered per se by the

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01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 2: spy in that case, it was Bobby ocareke, and he

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01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: just outran Bobby o'caoke. He was a better athlete in

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Speaker 2: the moment and he got to the edge and ultimately

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Speaker 2: got in for the touchdown. The reason you do that

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Speaker 2: is because you're trying to get home. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: they got home right they got they they created a

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01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 2: broken play on a on a drop back pass. Caylen

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Speaker 2: Williams was just a better athlete in his moment. He

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Speaker 2: made the play that he needed to make and the

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Speaker 2: Giants defense individually and collectively could not.

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Speaker 1: Take to look at it on the AL twenty two,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think they were particularly vanilla on those

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Speaker 1: last two Bears drives.

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Speaker 2: They were doing some different stuff. Absolutely they were. They

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01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: changed it up multiple times. It was it was they

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01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: just weren't able to get home. Getting home is the

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01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 2: biggest thing when you bring pressure and you got to

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01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: hope that your guys make the play and they and

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01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 2: they weren't able to. Let's go to Lawrence and Oklahoma City, Lawrence,

1523
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: what's going on, Hey, Lawrence?

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Speaker 15: This is just this has just gotten painful. Tikey knows me.

1525
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 15: I call him all the time. How do we just

1526
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 15: like lock it in whenever we get a lead, that

1527
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 15: we're going to cough it up and get it up

1528
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 15: and there's and there's no accountability. I feel like it's

1529
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 15: the same excuses every time we lose. And for me,

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01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 15: it's a I'm not watching until one of these coaches

1531
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 15: gets fired. There's because we're not going to win with them,

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01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 15: and it's just there's no point in watching them. It's like,

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01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 15: it's just disgusting being a Giants fan.

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01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 2: No, well, it's frustrating for sure, and I mean it

1535
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 2: absolutely is because these aren't these aren't blowout losses. These

1536
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 2: aren't you want, you don't belong on the same field

1537
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 2: type losses. They're in the game and they're in the position,

1538
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 2: the players are in position to win the games, yes, exactly,

1539
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 2: and then they're just not able to do so. And

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01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 2: again I'll give I'll give credit to the Bears. They

1541
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 2: this is what they've done all season long. They're not

1542
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: particularly great, but they find ways to win close games.

1543
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 2: If you're watching the TV broadcast, they showed all of

1544
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 2: their close games that they've had this season and they've

1545
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 2: found ways to win. So give them credit. But at

1546
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 2: the same time, that's where the Giants are lacking. This

1547
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 2: is where a winning football team finds a way to

1548
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 2: make a play and win a game, and the Giants aren't.

1549
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: Don't have that right now. And is it coaching? Sure?

1550
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 2: Is it player execution sure? Is it special teams? Absolutely,

1551
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 2: it's it's all of the above. Team effort, it's team.

1552
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 2: It's a team effort. You know, you get this cliche

1553
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 2: and it's annoying to listen to. And we lose as

1554
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 2: a team, we win as a team. This one felt like, yeah,

1555
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 2: we lost as a team, no question about it. Lucas

1556
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 2: in Randolph, New Jersey, Lucas.

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01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 23: What's up, Hey, thanks for taking my call again. It's

1558
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 23: two weeks in a row now of just depression with

1559
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 23: this Giants. But I think my question for you I

1560
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 23: have two parts. One is you were just talking about

1561
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 23: like the coaches, the players, all that stuff. Do you

1562
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 23: think maybe Dabos kind of lost the locker room.

1563
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't feel like there's still efforts. It doesn't

1564
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: feel like that. You would know, I would know that

1565
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 2: would happen if you would, if you would see the

1566
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: effort start to wane. And in the forty nine Ers loss,

1567
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: it felt like the effort wayne. It felt like they

1568
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:48,839
Speaker 2: were getting beat down and the tackling went went to pot.

1569
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 2: It was just six or seven straight runs for saying, like, man,

1570
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 2: you know what they're doing. I know what they're doing.

1571
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 2: The martian who has never seen a football game knows

1572
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 2: what the hell they're doing. And yet they were still

1573
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: finding ways to have success. That to me, that's an

1574
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 2: effort thing. But then they rebound from that loss and

1575
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 2: play a hell of a three quarter game against the

1576
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: Bears on the road in terrible weather conditions, and that

1577
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 2: tells you that they're not dialed out to what the

1578
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 2: coach is preaching. It's just I mean, I don't want

1579
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 2: to say they're not good enough, but they're just not

1580
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 2: good enough, right, They're not good enough individually and as

1581
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 2: a team that they haven't found out how to win,

1582
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 2: and that's what's ultimately going to be the determiner of

1583
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: the future of this organization. Let's go to Stephen and

1584
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 2: Brooklynees up next.

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01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 13: Steven, Hey, guys, listen, I represent the angry mob. Not

1586
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 13: a fan, but the mob. Listen. I want to give

1587
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 13: you two stats right now. The Giants are always for

1588
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 13: this season with leading by ten points on the road. Yep,

1589
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 13: they have given up seventy five points in the last

1590
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 13: four games these past four weeks. Let me trans ask

1591
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 13: you a question, Brian Babel, you worried telling you and

1592
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 13: not and a head coach that had the balls to

1593
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 13: make the change at quarterback and reappreciate that we found

1594
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 13: a franchise quarterback. So I give you that dial because

1595
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 13: what you are giving up all these choints on defense?

1596
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 13: Why aren't you not intelligent enough to either make the

1597
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 13: change at defensive ordinator and get rid of this guy

1598
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 13: that is destroying your career. Because listen, at the end

1599
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 13: of the day, you're gonna lose your job. Not because

1600
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 13: you're not a good offensive coordinator, but you cannot know

1601
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,879
Speaker 13: good quarterbacks, but you just can't make it the decision

1602
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 13: to get rid of this defensive coordinator. Nikki, just give

1603
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 13: me an answer why that doesn't happen.

1604
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, well, he already fired one, and he

1605
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 2: made the decision this offseason to retain this guy, so

1606
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 2: he owns it. It's just like any decision that you

1607
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 2: make in your life, whether it's to turn right at

1608
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 2: the fork in the road, it's your decision and you

1609
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 2: ultimately have to leave with it. Even if you get

1610
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 2: far down that road you realize, Man, I'm on the

1611
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 2: wrong path, and by the way, you can't turn back.

1612
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: He listens to every defensive call that gets made. He

1613
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 1: watches the tape on Monday, every defensive possession, knows what

1614
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 1: the call is, knows what the players are supposed to do.

1615
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: So he is to.

1616
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: Decide is this a the play that's call problem or

1617
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: is it a players executing the call problem?

1618
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it comes down to me ultimately, it's the

1619
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 2: execution of the plays, or really the lack of exceptional

1620
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 2: plays being made by his really good players on the

1621
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 2: deepense side of the ball. At times, I.

1622
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: Usually asked for a preview tiky of Giants Packers next

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01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: week pregame by the way on the fan at eleven am.

1624
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 1: But we don't know the quarterbacks could be so it's

1625
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: kind of hard to preview that game right now, is it?

1626
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 2: Right? Very hard. It's going to be tough. Hopefully Jackson

1627
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 2: Dart heals well and quickly. Yes, everybody, thanks for being

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Speaker 1: Bay Packers. The Packers this week play on Monday night

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Speaker 1: against the Eagles in Green Bay. They are five to

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Speaker 1: two to one, so's see what happens in that game,

1640
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: and we'll obviously monitor how Jackson Dark bounces back from

1641
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 1: that concussion he suffered during this week it's difficult to

1642
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: get back in one week from a cushion cushion book.

1643
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 2: We'll see if he's able to do that. To track that.

1644
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1645
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1648
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1649
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1650
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Speaker 1: talk to you next week in Green Bay. Then that's

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