1 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: At the end of twenty twenty, residents in the coastal 2 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: California town of Santa Barbara were getting a bunch of 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: weird notifications on their phones. 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 2: These just spam texts out of nowhere that say, you know, 5 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: urgent alert, Santa Barbara City is going to ban gas 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: and destroy the grid and drive up energy prices. Contact 7 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: them immediately. 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: That's Katie Davis, who runs the local chapter of the 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: Sierra Club, talking to the podcast A Matter of Degrees 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: last year. The show is co hosted by Leah Stokes, 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: an energy policy expert and author of a book about 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: corrupt utilities called short Circuiting Policy, who we heard from 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: last episode. Stokes also happens to be a p professor 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: at University of California, Santa Barbara and lives in town. 15 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: When these robocalls and texts about a proposed gas band 16 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: for new buildings in Santa Barbara started to make the rounds, 17 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: Stokes and Davis got in touch. Here they are talking 18 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: about it on a Matter of Degrees. 19 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: One thing Katie and I both noticed is that the 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: first round of text messages were totally anonymous. 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: There was nothing saying this is from such and such group. 22 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: It was really sketchy. 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 2: They seemed to have hit everyone in Santa Barbara because 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: a lot of people we know got them, even the 25 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: city council members got them. A lot of people were 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: misinformed by it. 27 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 4: It was really misleading. 28 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: The text messages directed recipients to go to the website 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: of something called Californians for Balanced Energy Solutions or C 30 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: four bees, where they could write to the Santa Barbara 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: City Council to oppose the measure. Mike Campbell wanted to 32 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: know exactly who was behind this effort. 33 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 5: I'm a program manager at the Public of the KITS Office. 34 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: That's an office inside the California Public Utilities Commission, which 35 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: is the state agency that regulates privately owned public utilities. 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: I know that sounds weird, but yes, it's a thing. 37 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: Campbell's office keeps an eye out for predatory behavior and 38 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: makes sure that utilities are treating their customers fairly. At 39 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: the time, Campbell was already investigating the gas utility in 40 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: Santa Barbara, so cal Gas. 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 5: We have been looking at so Cal Gas's activities as 42 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 5: it relates to their efforts to undermine impede thwart. Choose 43 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 5: your synonym California's GHG goals, that's the state's greenhouse gas 44 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 5: reduction goals, particularly as it relates to their interest in 45 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 5: maintaining a high level of gas usage and making sure 46 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 5: that the number of gas customers continues to grow. 47 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: Campbell discovered how so Cal Gas was going about trying 48 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:07,279 Speaker 1: to undermine new policy efforts that would reduce reliance on gas, 49 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: and he realized that not only had the utility been 50 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: marketing and lobbying against measures that would reduce the amount 51 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: of gas they could sell. 52 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 4: They have been trying to have their customers pay for it. 53 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: By it there, he means the lobbying and marketing so 54 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: Cal Gas's customers were footing at least part of the 55 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: bill for these efforts. 56 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 5: And they have also worked to try to obscure some 57 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 5: of the lobbying efforts they have had by creating front 58 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 5: groups and not being transparent about entities that they hire 59 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 5: to speak on their behalf. 60 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: Californians for Balanced Energy Solutions the group that was texting 61 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: Santa Barbara residents about a proposed gas found there was 62 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: just such a group, and the chair of the group 63 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: at the time was a guy you might remember from 64 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: episode one, Eric Hoffman. He was the one who sent 65 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: San Luis Obispo Mayor Heidi Harmon that email threatening a 66 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: COVID super spreader event if the city council went forward 67 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: with its vote on a gas band. 68 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 6: So as we started to get momentum in building electrification, 69 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 6: this group emerged. It was probably early twenty nineteen, called 70 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 6: Californias for Balanced Energy Solutions. 71 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: Matt Vespa is an attorney with Earth Justice. This is 72 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: him talking on the podcast A Matter of Degrees. 73 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 6: It had a glossy website. It was just very professional. 74 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 6: It had a number of members, you know, sort of 75 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 6: coalition partners. It wasn't really clear who was really behind this. 76 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 6: From the website, it was clearly of some kind of 77 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 6: front group. It was just like so high budget and 78 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 6: so polished. It was just not something that was remote 79 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 6: aggress roots obviously, and I think it just kind of 80 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 6: came out of nowhere. And also like what does a 81 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 6: Californian for Balanced Energy what does that even mean? You know, 82 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 6: it's just such a clearly front group. 83 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: Name, and it's illegal activity included way more than just 84 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: those unwanted text messages in Santa Barbara. That's the story 85 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: we're going to get into In today episode Welcome Back 86 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: to Drill, Season six, Part two, The New Climate Villains. 87 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Westervelt Today anatomy of a front group that 88 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: story coming up after this quick break. 89 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 4: There's two time periods. 90 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 5: One is where they're violating the Commission's policies, undermining codes 91 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 5: and standards. 92 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: This is Mike Campbell again with the California Public Utilities 93 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: Commission's Public Advocates Office. He says to understand the full 94 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: context around Californians for balanced energy solutions C four bees, 95 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: you have to see it as part of a pattern 96 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: of SOCAW gas breaking rules, which according to King, goes 97 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: back a few years back before the Electrify Everything movement 98 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: really took hold and gas bands started to sweep the state. 99 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: That history starts with so called gases participation in a 100 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: state and federal energy efficiency program. The program allows utilities 101 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: to use money from their customers to help promote stricter 102 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: energy efficiency codes and standards for buildings and appliances. 103 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 5: So you know, to make your hot water heater use 104 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 5: less gas, to make your furnace use less gas, and 105 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 5: your dishwasher what have you? And we in looking at 106 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 5: socol gases and other utility applications where they were seeking 107 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 5: the commissions approval for their various energy efficiency activities. 108 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 4: We uncovered evidence that socol. 109 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 5: Gas was taking the customer's money, but then they were 110 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 5: spending it to actually not promote stronger cosy standards. 111 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 4: They were doing the opposite. 112 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: In other words, so cal Gas was using a program 113 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: that was supposed to allow utilities to basically charge their 114 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: customers for various efforts that would improve energy efficiency, and 115 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: instead used it to fund efforts working against energy efficiency. 116 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: Campbell's office compiled evidence of this and presented it to 117 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: the California Public Utilities Commission in a hearing in twenty eighteen. 118 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: The commission found the evidence compelling and barred SoCal Gas 119 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: from participating in the energy efficiency program. This was a 120 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: year before the first gas band in the country was 121 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: passed in Berkeley, and almost two years before the first 122 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: gas band was proposed in so cal Gas's territory. That 123 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: measure in San Luis Obispo that we talked about in 124 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: episode one. Campbell says that even though they got this 125 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: official sanction, so cal Gas kept misleading customers and the 126 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: Public Utilities Commission on Energy efficiency. According to him, not 127 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: only was SOCl Gas ignoring the Commission's rules. The utility 128 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: was also lying to the Public Advocate's office and hiding data. 129 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 5: The utility trying to mislead or fly or hide data 130 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 5: or information from the regulator is a violation of the 131 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 5: Commission's Rule one point one. 132 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,119 Speaker 4: It's rule one for a reason. 133 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 5: It's pretty important and pretty basic for being a regulated utility. 134 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: And that behavior rolled right on into the utility's fight 135 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: against electrification. So Cal Gas was threatened by a wave 136 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: of gas bands proposed in its territory, and let's be 137 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: real here, these bands are a threat. While some territories 138 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: have utilities that combine electricity and gas, making them less 139 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: likely to protest electrification, that's not the case in southern California. 140 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: So Cal Gas, as its name suggests, only deals in gas. 141 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: It's actually the country's largest gas utility with more than 142 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: twenty million customers, and residential gas use is where most 143 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: gas utilities make money. It represents about eighty five percent 144 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: of revenue for the average gas utility. Gas Bands only 145 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: cover new buildings, so it's not a significant part of 146 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: a utilities business, but they do represent a turn away 147 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: from residential gas use that equates to a major reduction 148 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: in eventual revenue for utilities like SoCal Gas. Lea Stokes 149 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: has spent her career tracking the role of utilities in 150 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: shaping policy and particularly blocking climate policy, but it was 151 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: a new experience to see it right up close in 152 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: her own town. Here she is describing it on her 153 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: podcast A matter of degrees. They've shared the audio from 154 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: their utility episode with us, and we'll be dropping that 155 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: whole episode into our feed for you to listen to 156 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: as well, because it's really great and it goes in 157 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: directions that we will ne If you live in. 158 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: Southern California like I do, and you have gas in 159 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 3: your home, which I currently do until I get my 160 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 3: permits to remove the gas from my home, you are 161 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: a captured customer of so Cow Gas. You have to 162 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 3: pay them money. 163 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: They're a monopoly utility. And then in January twenty twenty one, 164 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: the Santa Barbara City Council was ready to vote on 165 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: a policy that would shake that monopoly stronghold. The measure 166 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: we discussed at the beginning of this episode, which would 167 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: mandate that new buildings had to be connected to electricity, 168 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: not gas. 169 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 4: MSS Clerk, if you would read into the record. 170 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: S Madam Mayor, already there we go, Item eight Energy 171 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: Code amendments for new buildings. After the presentation of the policy, 172 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: the City Council opened up the meeting for public comment. 173 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: And you probably won't be surprised at who spoke up 174 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: in opposition. 175 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 6: Can you hear me? 176 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: Yes? 177 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 7: Thank you, Tim Mahoney. Socow Gas and we are a 178 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 7: long term energy provider in Santa Barbara, committed to working 179 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 7: with the city and other groups to achieve the goals 180 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 7: of reduced emissions and create a more sustainable city. 181 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: Yep, so cow Gas with a seemingly green argument. 182 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 7: Let me highlight just a few important points. To successfully 183 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 7: achieve carbon neutrality, we need carbon neutral fuels and gas 184 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 7: infrastructure to deliver those fuels. So so col Gas is 185 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 7: an industry leader in increasing the flow of renewable gases 186 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 7: that can be delivered via the existing gas infrastructure. 187 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: There's that renewable natural gas plan. Again, we've discussed this 188 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: in previous episodes, but here's Charlie Spats from the Energy 189 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: Policy Institute with a quick refresher. 190 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 8: Renewable natural gas. It's a brilliant marketing term that the 191 00:11:53,120 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 8: gas industry has created, and essentially they're referring to biomethane. 192 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: The capture of methane from landfills, sewage plants, or agricultural 193 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: feed lots. Renewable natural gas is not really a viable 194 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: way to achieve decarbonization because it could only ever supply 195 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: at most about sixteen percent of the current demand for gas, 196 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: but Spat says the gas industry is using the idea 197 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: to try to lock in gas infrastructure. 198 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 8: They are looking to provide their own solutions, which essentially 199 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 8: mean continuing to use natural gas indefinitely. That's where we 200 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 8: hear the term renewable natural gas come up. 201 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: Now back to Santa Barbara City Council, where sokel Gas is. 202 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: Local pr guide Tim Mahoney was selling renewable gas in 203 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: an effort to tank the city's proposed gas band. 204 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 7: Now, renewable natural gas is currently the only negative carbon fuel, 205 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 7: and experts agree it is needed to decarbonizized buildings. 206 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: The council was not swayed by the renewable natural gas 207 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: pitch and voted unanimously in favor of the gas band 208 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: that night, but they'd have to vote again in July 209 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: to make it stick, which was plenty of time for 210 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:18,479 Speaker 1: that scrappy fake citizens group Californians for Balanced Energy Solutions, 211 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: or C four BES to do its thing. Despite the 212 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: group's efforts, though, on July twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, 213 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: Santa Barbara officially passed the ban on gas in new buildings. 214 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: But the California Public Utilities Commission was just starting to 215 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: look into what had happened in Santa Barbara and what 216 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: so called gas was doing to oppose gas bands in general, 217 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: beyond just text messages and hokey ads. The Commission held 218 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: another hearing, this one about building decarbonization and how utilities 219 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: were handling it. Here's Mike Campbell again. 220 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 5: In the building decarbonization proceeding. There are various parties in 221 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 5: the preceding We were a party, so cal Gas was 222 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,479 Speaker 5: a part, Utilities were party, and then this new organization 223 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 5: out of nowhere, the C four BS asked the Commission 224 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 5: for the right to become a party, and so Sierra 225 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 5: Club alleged that C four BS was not an independent party, 226 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 5: they were a front group for so cal Gas. 227 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 4: We thought that was a pretty serious allegation. 228 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: According to Campbell. So cal Gas, however, was not forthcoming 229 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: with data and information, at least initially. 230 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 4: Well, we kept digging and low and bullhold. 231 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 5: Not only was so cal Gas paying for the creation 232 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 5: of C four bes and was instrumental in pretty much 233 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 5: every aspect of its operation. 234 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: Campbell's team also figured out who was really footing the 235 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: bill for C four bees. It turns out so cal 236 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: Gas had taken some pretty unusual steps. 237 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 5: They had charged the costs for that to customer funded accoun. 238 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: It was so called Gas's customers unwittingly funding a. 239 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 4: Front group, and that is not a small thing. 240 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 5: It's very clear in Commission rules that utilities may not 241 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 5: charge their customers for lobbying, and lobbying. 242 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 4: Is different than educating. 243 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 5: SoCal Gas has tried to pretend that this was a 244 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 5: gray area and they were just engaged in education. 245 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: Campbell's office investigated further to try to figure out exactly 246 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: what sokel Gas was charging customers for. When I spoke 247 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: with him back in twenty twenty one, the Commission had 248 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: just affirmed his office's broad discovery rights, meaning they could 249 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: request all sorts of documentation from so cal Gas. Though 250 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: SoCal Gas had tried to argue it didn't have to 251 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: cooperate with the investigation because of First Amendment rights and 252 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: attorney client privilege. The Commission struck that argument down. Then, 253 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: in March twenty twenty two, the California Public Utilities Can 254 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: ruled in the first complaint against socaugas the one where 255 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: they were cheating on the energy efficiency program. The judge 256 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: slapped them with a fine of almost ten million dollars 257 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: for that, which seems like a lot, but Campbell's office 258 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: initially recommended a fine of two hundred and fifty five million. 259 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: SOCU Gas did not respond to requests to speak with 260 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: us for this podcast, but in the wake of this 261 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: initial CPUC ruling, it did release a public statement saying, quote, 262 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: we hear and respect the Administrative Law judges decision on 263 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: this issue. Over the last two years, and in response 264 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: to this proceeding, we have enhanced our companies accounting and 265 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: oversight practices. We look forward to working with the CPUC 266 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: and staff on how to strengthen these efforts. Under new leadership, 267 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: Socalgas is focused on a business strategy that is sustainable 268 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: and aligned with California reaching its climate and clean air 269 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: goals more quickly and more equitably. The fact that it's 270 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: undernew leadership is interesting, especially as the utility waits for 271 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: a CPUC decision about its use of customer money to 272 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: fund a front group. That's it for this time. We'll 273 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: keep you posted on any decisions in that So Cal 274 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: Gas case next time. Another story of the gas industry 275 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: invading local politics in Southern California. 276 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 8: There was you know, a variety of front group activity, 277 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 8: likely associated with the Southern California Gas Company, to bring 278 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 8: a variety of different spokespeople, paid spokespeople, or essentially people 279 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 8: off the street to you know, Parie a message that 280 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 8: was oppositional to electrification. 281 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 2: They found the jobs through indeed dot com and they 282 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 2: were actually advertised as environmental fellowships. 283 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: Drilled is an original Critical Frequency production. 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