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Speaker 1: the well, first off, let me ask you. Were you

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Speaker 2: I was not offended because I understood the relationship. Now

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? You know, I'm thirty five, so I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it gives me hope. I'm not gonna lie

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Speaker 3: He came in overweight, Like, let's just call it what

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Speaker 1: They might call me up. What's up, everybody, I'm Peanut

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Speaker 1: Podcast and with me, as always, my trusty co host,

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Speaker 1: Roman Harpa. I'm just glad been wearing blue together today.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time I think we've ever matched.

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Speaker 1: And uh, there's no better time to do it than

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Speaker 1: welcome to the pod. Robert Grivin the Third, better known

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Speaker 2: The first time I heard of you, this is all

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Speaker 2: a great story because you know Peanut here. You know,

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Speaker 2: it was a legend in our town. Still is a

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Speaker 2: So when he came to eighth grade, I was in

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Speaker 2: eighth grade. He came to play basketball with us. All right,

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Speaker 1: I was Robbie.

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Speaker 1: I figured it out on the fly, and I saw

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Speaker 1: the guy the other day and he was like, yeah, man,

435
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Speaker 1: of we'd love to have you back again. I saw

436
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,639
Speaker 1: the producer and I was like, seriously, I was like,

437
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 1: all right, I'll do it again. I ain't no quitter now,

438
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: I ain't no quarter I'll make that thing work. And Roman.

439
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 2: You know this, like when you go from a TV

440
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 2: set like there's always action. Yeah, it's a highlight that

441
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: you put together, a tape you put together describe a

442
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: quarterback of safety, a blitz package, whatever it may be.

443
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 2: So a rundown, there's always a rundown. There's always something

444
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: that you know you got in the booth. When I

445
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 2: see that two yard run, ain't Golauti your pena. I'm

446
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 2: not describing that two yard run on TV. I'm moving

447
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 2: on to another storyline because you have to have those

448
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 2: things and so you can tell guys' stories resolutely. And

449
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: I think that's what drew me to TV was I

450
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 2: didn't feel like my story was handled with the proper

451
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 2: care that I handle the stories that I cover. So

452
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: when I got in, I was like, I'm gonna make

453
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Speaker 2: sure I do it right to where the younger version

454
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 2: of me from twenty twelve thirteen fourteen would be proud

455
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: of the way that I'm doing the broadcast game. And

456
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 2: that's really been an inspiration for me to tell people's

457
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Speaker 2: story right way. And I don't know if everyone I

458
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 2: know everyone doesn't do it the right way, and that's unfortunate.

459
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring that up because we want to

460
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: get into more of your story. It's perfect. We'll be

461
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: right back, all right. So in twenty twenty, why would

462
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: you still try to play football? Ooh? Man?

463
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 2: I think all players struggle with when's the right time

464
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: to retire. I agree with you on that. So, you know,

465
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Speaker 2: I just it's all I knew. I was a husband,

466
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 2: a father, I knew those things, and I was a

467
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: football player. And I think someone has to physically tell

468
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 2: you no more. That's why I was continuing to try

469
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: to play.

470
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Speaker 1: Seven seasons, all types of awards, Rookie of the Year,

471
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Speaker 1: took a team to the playoffs as a rookie, Do

472
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Speaker 1: you feel like your career was validated? Did you still

473
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Speaker 1: feel like you had to prove something by trying to

474
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Speaker 1: come back or keep playing.

475
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: Oh that's a deep question. I will say eight seasons.

476
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: Give me that year back, sorry, give me that year back.

477
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: Season. That is the true, true, true NFL statement, Like

478
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: that all the years people was like, oh, yeah, twelve

479
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: years vent I was like, I played thirteen. Yeah, yeah,

480
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: So I get it. If the guy was like, oh,

481
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: i'll you know, he played four, He's like, I have five,

482
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: all right? That that I our year counts. I want

483
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: all the years.

484
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: So to answer the question, because my my career started

485
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: off at such a high, yeah, and getting hurt, I

486
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: think there was always this piece of me that wanted

487
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: to come back from everything that was stacked against me.

488
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 2: Injury wise or whatever, to prove to myself that I

489
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: didn't give up. I think the people in life who

490
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: who find success are the ones that don't. You know,

491
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: you've heard the stories about Jeff Bezos and how so

492
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: many different companies told him no, no, no, and then

493
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: eventually the one that told him yes, and now he's

494
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: one of the richest men in the world. So I

495
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 2: just wanted to go through my career after getting hurt

496
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: at the end of my rookie year and then coming

497
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: back and not being myself in thirteen, and then at

498
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: fourteen getting hurt again, and then in fifteen not playing

499
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: the entire year, then sixteen going to Cleveland, getting getting

500
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: hurt again, seventeen being out of the league, eighteen coming

501
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: in as the fourth quarterback in Baltimore, and I'm many

502
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: people like, why would you do that?

503
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you went from like the number two overall. They're like,

504
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: why are you just filling a roster just.

505
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: From a pride perspective, like why would you go and

506
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: be the fourth quarterback in Baltimore? And I said, well,

507
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: I just had to prove it to myself that I

508
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 2: could do it. And in twenty eighteen, I got literally

509
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: no reps in training camp because is John Harball, Marty

510
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: morning Wig. They all felt like days a vet, he

511
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: knows what he's doing. They didn't really What they didn't

512
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: realize is I hadn't really played a lot of football

513
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: up until that point. So I was staying out to

514
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: practice doing all that stuff. And they called me before

515
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: the first game we had, the Hall of Fame game

516
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: that year, they said, you're starting. Said, no problem. I

517
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: went out and I started. I balled out, threw a touchdown.

518
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: They came back to me in the third preseason game,

519
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: which is the game where the starters play. They held

520
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: out Joe Flacco, who was the start at the time,

521
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: and they said, you're starting. I hain't gotten a rep

522
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 2: in two weeks. When it went out against the Dolphins,

523
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: balled out, threw a couple of touchdowns, played well, and

524
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: made the roster and made them keep three quarterbacks for

525
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: the first time in a decade. So for me, it

526
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: was like, this isn't about the people who say why

527
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't you do it? This is about me saying I

528
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: know I can do it. I know I can overcome

529
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: the things in my life that maybe some people say

530
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: aren't fair. But Listen, you get to play football for

531
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: a living. You get to play a kid's game for

532
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: a king's reign ransom? How is that unfair? So I

533
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: think it's just perspective for me. I wanted to prove

534
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: to myself that I could overcome anything that was in

535
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: my way. I think it's helped me in the broadcast

536
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: game as well, and it's helped me in life, and

537
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: I want my kids to know that. Like, yes, Daddy

538
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: was way up here and outselling Messy in jerseys as

539
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: a rookie. But guess what, it didn't all go the

540
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 2: way that I thought it would go, that we thought

541
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: it would go, But Daddy still overcame.

542
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Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you kept the receipts since you

543
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: can tell us that you sold more jerseys than Messy.

544
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: And I'm not mad. Twenty thirteen, your rookie year. I'll

545
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: just be honest. You guys completely shot us in New Orleans.

546
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: You beat the crap out of Usagello's defense was hard

547
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 1: to do. We were not. We were terrible that year.

548
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Speaker 3: You know.

549
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: That was the year Peyton was suspended. Greg Williams was

550
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Speaker 1: suspended and definitely he was gone. GM's out, no excuses.

551
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: Bottom line is what an amazing game plan in year

552
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: that was in Washington for preseason. You guys didn't show anything. Yeah,

553
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: we didn't. Yeah, and then all of a sudden you

554
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: come into the first game. Do we had no idea

555
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: what half the stuff you guys were doing twelve twenty twelve,

556
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: sorry your rookie year was like out of nowhere, they're

557
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: doing it. We'd never seen anything that they had done.

558
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: The first quarter and a half were literally the middle

559
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: of the game trying to change the whole game, like

560
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: we don't even know we're running. It was so outstanding

561
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: for the plays you guys made, the ability that you

562
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: went out there, the game you had, and then you

563
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: were off and running from there. So I want to

564
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: give your flowers first and foremost great job game planning.

565
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: I have not been able to have this conversation with

566
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: you just kind of get that emotions out of me.

567
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: It's like that was awful, but great game, great job,

568
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: and just ability, Like what confidence did that give you

569
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: to go into New Orleans beat Drew Brees in the

570
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints who had just won a Super Bowl,

571
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Speaker 1: who was just coming off of season where we were

572
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: won and shoot thirteen fourteen games the year before. Yeah,

573
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: it was a great team that you guys beat, and

574
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: I just want to give you flowers. And what did

575
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: that do for your confidence in that team's confidence? I'm

576
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: sure no, I appreciate that.

577
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: And what was the year that you guys won?

578
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: That was twenty fifteen, No, No, No. Two thousand and

579
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: nine we won the Super Bowl? Was a suspension No. Eleven,

580
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: So that was the year. So eleven. We won thirteen games,

581
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: we won like eight or nine straight. We lost to

582
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers on the last second, played to

583
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: Vernon Dapis and then you came in.

584
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: So like you talk about radio, and it's like, lo,

585
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: let's paint the let's paint the full picture. That was

586
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: when y'all when the suspended guys got back. It was

587
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: the first game when the suspended guys all got back.

588
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: So we're in the Superdome. My family's from New Orleans, Louisiana.

589
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: Mom and dad both both born and raised. I've got

590
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: one hundred family members.

591
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: In the stands.

592
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: I'm on the field before the game and the band

593
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: is playing. One of the local college bands is out

594
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: there playing, pumping us up. I've probably never been more

595
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: hype in the pregame in my life, knowing that my

596
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: family's going to get to watch me go up against

597
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: the New Orleans Saints when I used to go to

598
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: Saints games as a kid, and I knew you guys

599
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: were dynamic. But we struggled in the preseason really on purpose,

600
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: because we didn't want to show anybody anything that we

601
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: were what we were doing.

602
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: It totally worked.

603
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: So we get out there the who that chance to

604
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: start the game loud oft stateium I've ever been in.

605
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: I played in Lambeau, I played in Seattle, played in

606
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: all these places loudest it's ever been. And after the game,

607
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: because we went out there and we played so well

608
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: and we were able to knock you guys off. I

609
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: do believe that game and the way we shocked you

610
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: guys impacted y'all's whole season two thousand percent. We were

611
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: terrible earlier. And you talk about that confidence that you

612
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: go into it with. No, I don't think anyone believed

613
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: in that preseason in twenty twelve, but they believed after

614
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: that Saints game.

615
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I watched you, We watched you guys in prese

616
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: and you weren't good. Then you came out did everything

617
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: completely different.

618
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: It was.

619
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Speaker 1: We were shell shocked. Yeah, and I can't give you

620
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: guys enough credit. And for your calmness and poise in

621
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: that game, got a couple of great throws. It was awesome,

622
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: But I just want to give you a flower. I

623
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: appreciate that.

624
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: But what people don't realize about that is they have

625
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: this glamorous view of twenty twelve.

626
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: We were three and six.

627
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: We beat you guys, but then we went pretty sideways

628
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: for eight games after that. I don't think most people realized.

629
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: They don't realize that we won seventh straight to finish

630
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: the year. So even though I had played well early

631
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: in the year, we weren't playing well and it was

632
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: something clicked after the bye week when we came back,

633
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: and I think even for myself, I started playing better

634
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: on third downs and in the red zone because although

635
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: my numbers were good, I wasn't playing situational football that well.

636
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: And I had to make that decision at the bye week,

637
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: like how are we going to get this figured out?

638
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: And I think for me that was the biggest turning

639
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: point for myself, and our defense just became super opportunityanistic

640
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: d Hall was catching interceptions. Uh, Madou Williams if you

641
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: remember him, that safety. So we just kind of turned

642
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: that thing around a little bit. But that Saints game

643
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: was big to show them what could be, especially gets

644
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: a team like yourself.

645
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: What was the biggest difference being the leader on your

646
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: college team and then being a leader of an NFL team.

647
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, I had London Fletcher next to me in the

648
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: locker room, or should I say I was next to

649
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 2: London Fletcher in the locker room. And you're in college,

650
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: you're growing into becoming a man with your with your

651
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: home boys. Right, you come in same class in the NFL,

652
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: like it'd be like me coming to be on your team, right,

653
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: and you got a wife and kids, and if you

654
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: miss this throw, you taking food off my family's plate.

655
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: That's not what it is and what it was in college,

656
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: at least when when I was coming up. So to

657
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: have London Fletcher, Santana Moss with Chris Cooley at tight end,

658
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: you got offensive linemen that might only have one or

659
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: two years left, so they don't have time to wait

660
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: for the rookie to figure it out. I think that

661
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: was the biggest difference because now you're twenty two having

662
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: to lead some guys that are upwards of thirty five

663
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: thirty six years old, and that is a very different lifestyle,

664
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: different lifestyle, different generations, different thoughts and ways of thinking.

665
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Speaker 1: I would like to know this. Have you actually looked

666
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: at or thought about your journey and how you've kind

667
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Speaker 1: of you're kind of not the first wave, but like

668
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: that second wave of the way we look at quarterbacks

669
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Speaker 1: and like the transition of what all quarterbacks are able

670
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 1: to do now.

671
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just simply put myself, Cam Colin Kaepernick. We

672
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: were like Russell Russell one hundred percent and Russell still

673
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: doing it. We were like five years too early. But

674
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for guys like ourselves, then the new

675
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: batch you guys wouldn't have gotten the opportunities.

676
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Speaker 1: Well I was going to say, like at least you

677
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: got some of the RPO or option looking. Yes, yeah,

678
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: things Mike Vig had straight dropback, Mike vic had straight drawback.

679
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: They were not protecting him, you know what I mean?

680
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: Versus now it's like way more wide open college looking.

681
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: So like you guys were start of that part of it. Well,

682
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: there's this second way.

683
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: There's this fundamental belief or there was Should I say

684
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's it might be you know,

685
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: shrinking a little bit, but there's a fundamental belief that

686
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: you cannot run college concepts in the NFL. I'm sure

687
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: y'all coaches say say, this ain't college, this is the NFL.

688
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: This is how we do it here.

689
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: Now every single NFL offense has fifty percent, maybe even

690
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: sixty percent college element style plays in them.

691
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Speaker 1: And I think that was ego.

692
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: I think there's been a little bit of an ego

693
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 2: death when it comes to the coaches and how they

694
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: approached the game. So, yes, when we did our pos

695
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: and we did all these different things, it was almost

696
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: like the NFL in its in its entirety, was against it.

697
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't getting protected.

698
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: After we beat you guys, we would and play the

699
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bingles and Michael Johnson and Carlos dun Lappingham boys.

700
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Speaker 1: They hit me every single time we did his own read, Yes,

701
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: just go hit the court. Not even if I didn't

702
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: had a ball.

703
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: They was hitting me fifteen twenty yards back behind the

704
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: screen line of scrimmage. I'm running away from him like it.

705
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't get it.

706
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 2: And the rest wouldn't protect us. But now with the

707
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: way the rules are, it's much easier to be an

708
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: RPO dual threat quarterback because you're protected everywhere on the

709
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: field pretty much. So I think for me when I

710
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: came in, I had Mike Shannon as my head coach.

711
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanaan was oci.

712
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Speaker 1: You know that.

713
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: There's the stories of all the different coaches that were

714
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 2: on that on that team. But they wanted to build

715
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: a system that was within their system that they knew

716
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: a dual threat quarterback like myself could run. So they

717
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: downloaded every single play I ever ran at Baylor and

718
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: they put it into their off offense within a way

719
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: of how can we run this in a West Coast system.

720
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: The only thing I think they did wrong was they

721
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: never brought in any of my college coaches to teach

722
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: them how to run it, how to protect the quarterback

723
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 2: when you're doing those different things. Today's offenses. They're having

724
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: meetings with college coaches every week. Yeah, they have people

725
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: on those staffs that they meet with weekly just so

726
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: they can pull those concepts and say, Okay, well, this

727
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: is the NFL. We have to protect the quarterback better

728
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: than you do in college.

729
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: How can we do that? Do you think that was

730
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: pride for them not to go to a college coach

731
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: and say, hey, can you teach me the ins and

732
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: outs of this play? Oh, one hundred percent. It was pride.

733
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: It's pride and ego. And I don't I don't say

734
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: it necessarily in a bad way. I say it in

735
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: the way of, you know how hard it is for

736
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: a college coach to get to the NFL, So that

737
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: symbiotic relationship or non symbiotic relationship, they're not trying to

738
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: make the college coach feel like he knows better than

739
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: the NFL coach. That NFL coaching fraternity is so difficult

740
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: to break into. We've talked about it with the lack

741
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: of black head coaches in the NFL. So I think

742
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: it was pride and ego to say we can figure

743
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: it out on our own because we know how to

744
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: do it up here.

745
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

746
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: And I think if myself and some of those other

747
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: duel there guys were five years later, that mindset would

748
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: have been different and they would have learned how to

749
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: run those types of systems and protect your quarterback from injury.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

751
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: back in a minute, all right, So I want to

752
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: know some other things that you're doing podcast space. We

753
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: talked about some of your early fireball to start this

754
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: whole thing off street heat. How has the podcast space

755
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: allowed you to be more of yourself versus what you

756
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: do in the booth, because ultimately what it's your own podcast.

757
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: Do you know you get a lot more more comfortable

758
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: on the clock like you are inside the bild Ah.

759
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: I think you know, I like to be genuinely and

760
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: authentic myself in every space. Can that look different in

761
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: different you know, parts of media. Yeah, but I think

762
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 2: the podcasts is most similar to me in the booth

763
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: because you have the time. It's very difficult to do

764
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: that what you do on a podcast on a studio

765
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: show when you've got three four other teammates that you're

766
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: sharing time with and you have to pass the ball.

767
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: So for me, the podcast is it's still a place

768
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: to explore, you know, the broader topics and sports, you

769
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: know about life. You know, my wife is my co host,

770
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: and everybody like, oh, why you just make your wife

771
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: your co host as well. She's the record holder of

772
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: Florida state and heptathlon. All right, she's the greatest athlete

773
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: in Estonian history. So when you talk about knowing sport,

774
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: knowing track and field. We don't just cover football. We

775
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: cover basketball, tennis, golf, soccer, or football as they call it.

776
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 2: We cover track and field. So to have that wealth

777
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: of knowledge, especially from a female's perspective, is something that

778
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: I valued and I wanted to be a part of that.

779
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: So the podcast game, I feel like everybody has a

780
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: podcast now and the issue is how do you break

781
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: through in a podcast. Well, there's guest driven podcasts, there's

782
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: drama field podcasts, there's gossip podcasts, and I don't lie,

783
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: it's it's difficult to make a podcast that is not toxic.

784
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 2: But I just recently heard was a doc river Son,

785
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 2: you know, say that he wasn't going to do podcasts

786
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: anymore because it awesome, because the podcast space is too toxic.

787
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: And I don't necessarily disagree with that, because that stuff

788
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 2: gets clicks. It gets people to pay attention to your podcast.

789
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: And I can say all the greatest things in the

790
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: world about giving back to the community and the things

791
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: that are going on and our foundation, you know, helping

792
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: in food insecurity. But as soon as you say that

793
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: one thing about this person and that person, boom, there

794
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: there go the clicks, and I think that's addicting for

795
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 2: a lot of people. I think me and my wife

796
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: will learn, you know, how to stay away from those

797
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: things and still have a successful podcast and build something

798
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: that you're actually proud of.

799
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: Has it ever drawn conflict between you and your wife?

800
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: It has not. You know, they say if you build

801
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: a house together, you know, it's like just like getting

802
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: ready to get divorced. We built a house together and

803
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 2: didn't get divorced, So like, we know how to work together,

804
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: we know how to communicate the right ways, and have

805
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: those conversations. The issue that some people have on podcasts,

806
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: which I don't think you guys have it. We're not married,

807
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: you're I think you guys. I think you guys work

808
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: well married. But the problem is everybody feels like they

809
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: got to be on one side or the other, and

810
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: it's like, well, what can't We can be on the

811
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 2: same side and still have different perspectives. But it doesn't

812
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 2: have to be Lebron is the greatest of all time

813
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: or the Leron is the worst of all time. Right,

814
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: you can feel like Jordan is the greatest of all

815
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: time and Lebron is second best, and you can explain

816
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: your side without tearing down the other person.

817
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

818
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Speaker 2: I think in the podcast space, especially when you get

819
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: shows that have multiple hosts, they always feel like they

820
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: have to argue the other side because that's what the

821
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: audience wants them to do. Me and my wife proud

822
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: ourselves in making content that we're proud of, content that

823
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: we enjoy, and if we don't enjoy it, we stop

824
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: making it. And we've made those decisions over the past

825
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: couple of years of like, hey, this's got a lot

826
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: of clicks, but I don't really like how that makes

827
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: you be positioned or how that looks in the grand scheme.

828
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: And that's something that I'm super proud of because we

829
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 2: can have that open conversation to say, it's not just

830
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: about the clicks in the views. It's about what our

831
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: kids are going to say ten years from now when

832
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: they go through the archives, that we want them to

833
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: be proud of what we produce.

834
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: Are you proud of what we produce? I'll never asked

835
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: you that you like what we produce. You know, I

836
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: don't want to make it about us right now, we're

837
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: off camera, all right, that's camera all right. So two things,

838
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: two things. That is terrible number one. You brought up

839
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: that discussion, like you're a Lebron guy. You know, whether

840
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: he's the goat or not, that's up to you. I'll

841
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: let you and your wife discuss that. I have a

842
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: different opinion. And the other thing is that with your

843
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: wife and yourself being such great athletes, you've been a

844
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: track athlete as well, Like are your kids athletes? Are

845
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: your daughter's athletes? And I like questions, is that real thing?

846
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: Triple triple, triple question. I'm not a Lebron I am.

847
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: I am not not a Lebron guy, but I'm a

848
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan kid. I grew up on who wants to

849
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: be like Mike. So Michael Jordan is a greatest in

850
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 2: my opinion, and we can go through all the stats

851
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: to say that, but you don't leave that second thing.

852
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: I'm the second best athlete in the family. My wife

853
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: is by far the best, being a heptathlete doing all

854
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: the different events. She actually taught me how to throw javelin,

855
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: so that was that was pretty fun, totally different than

856
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: throwing the football, by the way, and so our kids, listen,

857
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: they do everything they do tennis. You know, our eight

858
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: year old Gloria is at a tennis academy. Believe it

859
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: or not, her six year old just joined the same

860
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: tennis academy with her, so two years before she ever joined.

861
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: The six year olds already in our three year old,

862
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 2: you know, she's just running around, having fun, doing everything.

863
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: And our ten year old is is a soccer player,

864
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: so we got soccer, basketball, flag football. Gloria is on

865
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: an eight U seven v seven team in our organization.

866
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: She's the only girl on the team and she was

867
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: the only girl at a tournament this past week that

868
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: we went to. And she she plays offense. She starts

869
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: at nickel on defense, and she she's a starting receiver, uh,

870
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: you know, on the offense side of the ball. So

871
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: we like to have them play as much as they

872
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: want to and do every sport so they can grow

873
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: and develop. But I think they get their athleticism from

874
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: the mama. Absolutely.

875
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that the Indian applis Colts

876
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: called Philip rivers toward the end of the season. Sir

877
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: Philip ain't played in a laugh Philip Philip, Okay, it's

878
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: been a minute if the Well, first all, let me

879
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: ask you were you offended that you didn't get the call?

880
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't offended. Just I know Cam said something like

881
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: Cam was offended.

882
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: Cam is going to be offended about everything. Cam is

883
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: doing his dang this to be the creator and the

884
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: YouTube guy. He's admitted it. He's admitted it.

885
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm a YouTuber, he's going down that route.

886
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: I'm a human being. I'm not gonna do some of

887
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 2: those things. But Cam was offended. I was not offended

888
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: because I understood the relayationship. Now did I go outside

889
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: and you know, throw the football.

890
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: Around a little bit? He waited, just sggested case, Yes, sir,

891
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: I did. Now, if they really would have called you, yes, hey,

892
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: you're ready, we need you to come play Week sixteen? Correct?

893
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: Do you think you could have been ready.

894
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: To go one hundred percent if a team called me,

895
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: like the Colts were in playoff contention, yep, they needed

896
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: to win I think one game to put themselves in

897
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: the playoffs, one hundred percent. I could have done that.

898
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: I think at you know, I'm thirty five, so I'm

899
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: not as old as as Philip is.

900
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: He's what forty four? Yeah?

901
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it gives me hope. I'm not gonna lie

902
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: to you. When I saw him, I'm like, man, I

903
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: might have.

904
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: To just like lately changed, bro.

905
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: He came in overweight, Like, let's just call it what

906
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: it was. Yeah, yeah, my man and my man was big.

907
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: Bigorter asked budget, wait, he said, well, I'm not. I'm not.

908
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: Wait when I did. When I left, clearly he gave

909
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: me hope because you look at Rady and how he played.

910
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: But Brady did it continuously, right, Philip Rivers probably gave

911
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: more quarterbacks hope that they could come back and play

912
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: because he did it. He was out of shape, hadn't

913
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: been working out, and he was hadn't played with five years.

914
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

915
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: So like for me, I'm like, I'm thirty five. As

916
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: long as I stay in somewhat running shape, I'm gonna

917
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: be around football. I'm gonna throw the football around. I

918
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: got it, man, I got a good eight more years.

919
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: They might call me up.

920
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: What I wouldn't take is an opportunity on a team

921
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: that's not in contention. If a team called me in

922
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: the off season, everyone's in contention in the off season,

923
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: I'd pick up that phone and I would certainly entertain it,

924
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: just because I love football, you know, And as long

925
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: as these guys are getting these opportunities in their forties.

926
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: Why not? Who would I be to say?

927
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: No?

928
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: You know, I agree? Could you do a practice? Do

929
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: you think your body will hold up in a football

930
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: practice or NFL practice? Like just legit a straight up

931
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: to our practice.

932
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: You know.

933
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna pretend like I'm ready for that, dude,

934
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: I'll be like behind somebody like laying down. My man,

935
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: got his legs right here. This is not. This is

936
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: not I'm ready to go practice. No, No, I'm not

937
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: the look dude like, no, I'm not even pretend like

938
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm about that life anymore.

939
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: I'm not.

940
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm not. I heard so I heard the best story

941
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: ever from Mike Vic yesterday. Okay, and Mike said he

942
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: just rolled out the bed thought he was just gonna

943
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: go run a forty Oh I remember that, Yeah, you're

944
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: in the I was there and he was like, dude,

945
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: next you know, like I pulled my HEMI and was

946
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: like hurt, hurt for like I had to get treatment

947
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 1: for like weeks. I was like, yes, he was like, dude,

948
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: it's just not like that. And He's right, I can't

949
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: just roll out there and think I'm gonna be able

950
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: to I beat him my whole left side the last

951
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: time I ran hard, you ran full speed. Just just

952
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: say forty or whatever. Just I did a dog chasing you.

953
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: Just like three months ago, I was running with my

954
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: kids in the park and I was trying to show

955
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: them how to accelerate. Okay, so we're gonna start off

956
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: with a light stride for the first ten fifteen, then

957
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: I want you to burst hold it for forty, and

958
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: then we're going to finish it off at like eighty

959
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: one hundred yards the last twenty just kind of cruise

960
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: it off at that cone I was out there. They

961
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: were like, well, they thought they were bursting, but there's

962
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: no real change of speed. Yeah, And I'm like, you

963
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: gotta have change of speed. They were like, what do

964
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: you mean, Dad, Because you're not telling my kids all

965
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: the time, Like, look, you can get a track coach,

966
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: but track co can't really teach you how to run fast.

967
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: They can teach you how to run better correct, more

968
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: efficient correct, but fast people just run fast, and you

969
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: gotta just treat it. Like, what are you gonna do

970
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: when that dog bust out the gate and you got

971
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: to run from a dog?

972
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: No?

973
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, My daughter was like, well, Dad, why would I

974
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: run from a dog? I'm like, this is the difference.

975
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: That's the generation. They're not running from dogs, it's the area.

976
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: It's my fault from rookie. Why would be running from

977
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: the dog that. I'm like, that's exactly the problem. So

978
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: I got out there. I ran it for them and

979
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: my kids. When I was done, I turned around like,

980
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: so you see how it is. And my son had

981
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: his mouth like he's like, Dad, you like fast. Oh

982
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: that makes you feel good. It didn't make me feel

983
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: good because he does not give compliments. So yeah, I

984
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: still got that. If it's in there, I can still

985
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: bust it out. I'm not ready. If I ran a

986
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: four to seven something, I'd probably be really disappointed in myself.

987
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: But I think both of y'all could one game. I

988
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't put it past you. I need some time, though,

989
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: I need Like Aaron well, did it remember he was retired? Yeah,

990
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: that came back. One game.

991
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: One game. I promise you, despite the age and right

992
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: about that, you could.

993
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: Play one game. At halftime you might have all to

994
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: been gay in the world on your legs, but think

995
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: you can play one game.

996
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: Okay. As time progresses, how do you feel that you

997
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: will possibly be known more about your podcasting and your

998
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 1: broadcast career more than your actual football career.

999
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: What you what you go through in life is the

1000
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: ebbs and flows of notoriety. Right, So as a player,

1001
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: you know I'll always be known as one of the

1002
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: biggest what ifs in NFL history. I'm aware of that

1003
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: because of how how well I started as a rookie.

1004
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 2: I'll always be known as having one of the greatest

1005
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: rookie seasons of all time. But the longer you're in

1006
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: the spotlight, the more that can change and morph and

1007
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: turn into different things. The example I like to use

1008
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 2: is Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I know him as the

1009
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: Rock because I grew up on him in WWF before

1010
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: it was WWE Yes right in the Rock Bottom and

1011
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: the People's Elbow and Jabroni. But there's a generation of

1012
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: children now that only know him from The Fast and

1013
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: the Furious or The Furious or The Tooth Fairy Umi Jumanji. Right,

1014
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: they know him as the Actor. So I think in

1015
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: life you want to be able to make an impact

1016
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: in multiple different areas. So as a football player, I

1017
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: made that impact. Heisman Trophy winner was able to do

1018
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: a lot of great things at Baylor, Copper's Cove High School,

1019
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: going as two state championships, NFL Rookie of the Year,

1020
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: Pro bowler, all those things, and then it's like, well,

1021
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: what's next because the majority of our lives we're going

1022
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: to spend it off the football field. So now as

1023
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: a broadcaster, it's like, how can I be the best

1024
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: broadcaster I can possibly be? How can I be the

1025
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: best person in my own community in Houston, Texas right now,

1026
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: which is where we live at. So that doesn't affect

1027
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: me because I found my next passion and I want

1028
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: that for all former players. Sometimes they don't ever find

1029
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: it and they find themselves lost. So I'm not lost,

1030
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: and I really give my faith in my family the

1031
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: biggest credit when it comes to that. Knowing what my

1032
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: purpose is and my purpose on this earth is to

1033
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: get back, whether it's giving back through story andtelling, giving

1034
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: back by giving back to the community, helping the next

1035
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 2: generation get to where they want to go, and then

1036
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: of course raising my family. So I'm not hurt by that.

1037
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 2: I think it's a great thing. Okay, there's gonna be

1038
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: people who are like, there's twenty year old right now

1039
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: that know me is, oh my goodness, you're RG three

1040
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 2: from from Washington, and there's other ones that know me from. Man,

1041
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: you're the broadcaster that you have so much fun in

1042
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 2: the booth. Yeah, that's okay with me, Okay, I.

1043
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: Got nothing else. Man. I appreciate you coming on the

1044
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: pod and just blessing us and telling us some stories.

1045
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: And it's always good to you know, reconnect. Whenever you

1046
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 1: come around, we get the kicking and we see each other.

1047
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: Glad you came on, showed us some love. We appreciate you. Yeah, Man,

1048
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys. You guys do a great job,

1049
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: no doubt. Man, appreciate it, man. And you're a Heisman

1050
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: Trophy winner, so you always be known as that in

1051
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: my opinion, I appreciate that. I know the broadcasting is great,

1052
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: but you're a Heisman, So that.

1053
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 3: Is one thing.

1054
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: Say that is one thing that you'd never know. We

1055
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: don't know where podcasting is going. Yeah, that heismand trophy

1056
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: is not going anywhere.

1057
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: Yea.

1058
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: That those records as a nflquarterback aren't going anywhere, and

1059
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: neither is God. So you just trust God in the

1060
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: next journey. You guys are doing it. I'm proud to

1061
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: be on the show with you. Man, Thanks for being here.

1062
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: Man. All right, anywhere you pick up your podcast at

1063
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: where it's Apple Podcast, iHeartRadio app. Make sure you always

1064
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: tune in. Likes your scare follow, tell a friend to

1065
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: tell a friend to do what Peanut tell then we

1066
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: go check us out, man, And you can also check

1067
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: us out on the NFL's YouTube chapel or page. I'm Peanut,

1068
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: that's Roman, that's RG three and this is the NFL

1069
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: Player's Second Acts podcast. We out