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Speaker 1: I'm in to Morning Combat. It is Friday, November eighteenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. We've got your weekend preview. We've got

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Speaker 1: time though, after so many commercials and bring in my

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Speaker 1: big day on the show today. I had to put

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Speaker 2: this evening anyway, so we'll see how that goes. But yes,

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Speaker 2: anyway this weekend overall on MMA. So it's a good one.

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Speaker 2: It's a good show today plus dead wrong. They're going

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Speaker 1: Indeed, Luke, anything you want to talk about about life

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Speaker 2: That's right. I'm not too worried about this energy drink.

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Speaker 2: And what I would say is, I'm just excited for

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Speaker 2: excited to have a couple days off with my fam

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Speaker 2: Just talking hot water, We're just talking hot water. This

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Speaker 2: But more to the point, we go back to what

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Speaker 1: Well, it feels historic. Yet it's kind of just old

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Speaker 2: BC like we we should say this too. We've talked

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Speaker 2: And again we don't know how he's gonna perform against Tank,

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Speaker 1: Well said, well, yeah, I was in the middle of

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Speaker 1: All right. I was going to say, it's not historic.

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Speaker 1: not an aberration of things to come. But there is

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Speaker 1: a scenario here where sometimes Jervonte can be selective with

430
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Speaker 1: his shots and maybe two efficient, where Ryan Garcia's activity,

431
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Speaker 1: the jab, the speed that look, this is coulda be.

432
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Speaker 1: It could be. It could give him some issues. There's

433
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Speaker 1: gonna need to be adjustments. I can't wait for this one.

434
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Speaker 1: I'm so fired up. It could not have more stardom,

435
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Speaker 1: It could not have more in that youth crossover factor.

436
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Speaker 1: This is the goods and fingers crossed. Everything goes to plan,

437
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Speaker 1: from court dates to set up fights that we start

438
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Speaker 1: banging that drum. I mean, start banging it now. Look

439
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: just get out. I mean, are you into that? Luke?

440
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Speaker 1: Do you have like you don't have like Coonga's in

441
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Speaker 1: your office in the corner that sometimes you just bust out.

442
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Speaker 2: And would you be asking that because I live with

443
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Speaker 2: Hispanic people.

444
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Speaker 1: No, No, I asked that because because the music that

445
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: you you know, lean to, you know, death metal, right,

446
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: it's always known for the Caribbean rhythms.

447
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 2: So no, we don't have that. We do have Monakas

448
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: in the house. But BC, you kind of buried the

449
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: lead here, at least a little bit. Tank Davis fighting

450
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Speaker 2: in Washington, d C for the tune up fight on

451
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Speaker 2: January seven.

452
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Speaker 1: For you, Luke right as a homer for you Bury.

453
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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you having a home game. We don't

454
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Speaker 2: know his opponent yet, but having a home game, I

455
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Speaker 2: cannot tell you how excited I am for that. Number

456
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Speaker 2: one and number two. BC. We got to get the

457
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Speaker 2: doc cams out of retirement. If Tank Davis is coming

458
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Speaker 2: to d C, we got d C in or we

459
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Speaker 2: got BC in d C.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't fit It's gonna be great. Yeah, you

461
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Speaker 1: can't fit BC and DC in DC because one of

462
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Speaker 1: the two have has let them selves go a bit,

463
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Speaker 1: well actually both of them. But to be fair, BC

464
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Speaker 1: and DC is an event. Hopefully we can unlock the

465
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Speaker 1: doc budgets which have you know since left right, you know,

466
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Speaker 1: and get this going. But yeah, Tank Davis against anybody

467
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Speaker 1: January seventh, to start setting up. I heard Boots and

468
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Speaker 1: this could be on the card. I mean, look, a

469
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Speaker 1: lot of good things coming today. So let's let's put

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Speaker 1: a cap on Topic one, which is a huge night

471
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Speaker 1: of boxing down the road. But how about topic two,

472
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Speaker 1: A massive night of mixed martial arts on national television

473
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Speaker 1: is coming your way February fourth. The announcement just happened

474
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Speaker 1: some thirty minutes ago, and let's be fair, it's a

475
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Speaker 1: big one. Or maybe this is Topic one and a half,

476
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Speaker 1: because our other lead story is that Belachoor Mma is

477
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Speaker 1: coming back to CBS with a star studded doubleheader February

478
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Speaker 1: fourth at the Forum in Los Angeles in Inglewood that

479
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Speaker 1: features Ryan bad versus Fador Emilianenko in a rematch for

480
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Speaker 1: the Belletian everyweight championship. They have, of course met a

481
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Speaker 1: few years back in the finals of the World Grand

482
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Speaker 1: Prix and Joel Romero against the winner of tonight's Corey

483
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Speaker 1: Anderson vedeem Nemkov light heavyweight title rematch, which is also

484
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Speaker 1: for the one million dollar World prize of the Grand

485
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Speaker 1: Prix in that cold main event, Luke. The last time

486
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Speaker 1: Scott Koker has done this, this old trick, which is

487
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Speaker 1: now a timeless trick in his playbook, was the stretch

488
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Speaker 1: of five fight cards at Strikeforce had on CBS from

489
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight to twenty ten, when guys like

490
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Speaker 1: Fato armilion InKo did five six million live viewers. In

491
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, though, this still feels like a power move.

492
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Speaker 1: What is your reaction to Bellator's breaking news on this morning.

493
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Speaker 2: I think this is well few I have a few

494
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Speaker 2: different feelings about it. Well, One, this is supposed I

495
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: don't know if the press really says this, but this

496
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Speaker 2: is my understanding. This is supposed to be the retirement

497
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Speaker 2: fight for Fato armilion Aco, So him getting to do

498
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Speaker 2: his retire fight on CBS feels right. That feels right.

499
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Speaker 2: That feels like there's a grand stage for one of

500
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: the most important fighters frankly in all of MMA history,

501
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: certainly in the MMA heavyweight division. That part I like

502
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: a lot. Also, Belator getting on CBS. I'm glad that.

503
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Speaker 2: You know, we work for paramounts, so we're all part

504
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: of this family in some kind of way. Obviously, these

505
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: decisions are made without our input in any kind of way.

506
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Speaker 2: But what I mean to say is that I like

507
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Speaker 2: that the company. I remember the company bought Belotsore. They

508
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: own it, right, so using it and leveraging it with

509
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: its existing platforms in the biggest way possible for biggest

510
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: events in the sense of Fador's retirement fight, like this

511
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: all makes sense and I lived through very explicitly. I

512
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Speaker 2: live through the unfortunate you know, Nashville brawl involving the

513
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Speaker 2: Diaz is in Mayhem Miller. I remember that. But there

514
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Speaker 2: was a lot of glorious history for Strikeforce on CBS

515
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Speaker 2: as well. This is a good return for that. I

516
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Speaker 2: think it's good for the brand. I think it's good

517
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Speaker 2: for Fator. My only qualm would be that I just

518
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 2: for his retirement fight, and I said this before, so

519
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna change my view. I would have liked

520
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: to have seen a different fight now. In the end,

521
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Speaker 2: I think somewhat Coker's hands are tied because you want

522
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Speaker 2: to put Fador on CBS, you need somebody that the

523
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Speaker 2: casual fan would know if you're gonna go to this

524
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Speaker 2: big platform. Mission accomplished. And the problem is that Fador

525
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: really wanted this particular fight. Apparently this was the one

526
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Speaker 2: he was looking for. He wanted to write this wrong

527
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Speaker 2: because remember he got dusted in less than a minute

528
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Speaker 2: the last time they fought. Were I King of MMA

529
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Speaker 2: for a day or something? I would have loved to

530
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Speaker 2: have seen Fador versus Anderson Silva or something. I know

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Speaker 2: they tried to make the JDS one, but his whole

532
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: shit came apart quite literally, so they couldn't. So I'm

533
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Speaker 2: a little bit I don't. I don't necessarily love the

534
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Speaker 2: matchup itself, but the news for Bellator and what this

535
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: could mean for his future is frankly enormous.

536
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Speaker 1: This is see this is a big move. This is

537
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Speaker 1: a power move from Scott Coker, and like I mentioned,

538
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Speaker 1: it's from his old playbook, but it's a timeless move

539
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: in many ways. I get your point about the matchup,

540
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Speaker 1: but I'm wondering Luke, like I don't even look at

541
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: the fatal retirement's a nice selling angle. One. I don't

542
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Speaker 1: believe it because I think Fador is at a point

543
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: where he's found new life. That knockout of Timothy Johnson

544
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Speaker 1: in Moscow was a little eye opening that. You know,

545
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Speaker 1: the quick hands are still there. We've counted them off

546
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: many many times before. No, he's no longer elite, but

547
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: yet he's back in this title fight, which could be

548
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: the perfect sendoff. I just don't think he's gonna go

549
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: away Luke, because I think that Innerson Silver Flight could

550
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: still be very viable, especially potentially under the Belatur banner.

551
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Speaker 1: But I'm wondering if this is an introduction to Cocher

552
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Speaker 1: and you know, maybe more. I mean, let's not forget Luke.

553
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Speaker 1: In addition to first Kimbo and Elite XC being on CBS,

554
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: then fad Or and Strikeforce. What was it five six

555
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Speaker 1: years ago with Keith Thurman versus Sean Porter on Big

556
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: CBS that did Monster, you know, six million views? We

557
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: had Keith Thurman versus Danny Garcia the year after that.

558
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Speaker 1: I want to know if this is the opening of

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Speaker 1: a movement to that direction again, to the type of

560
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: attractions that really bring in a different level of audience.

561
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Speaker 1: Fatal wanted this fight, as you mentioned. If he's gonna

562
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: go out, he wants to go out big, and fighting

563
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: for the heavyweight title is great. I don't know if

564
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: we should call it Fader Beader or fad Or Bet

565
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: or fad Or Luke. I can't air hair. I can't

566
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: figure that out. But the point is this. It's gonna

567
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Speaker 1: be all action. It's probably only gonna last a minute

568
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: and a half two minutes either way, right, so I

569
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: think it's going to be very exciting. It's crazy that

570
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Speaker 1: fad Or is still in this spot because we saw

571
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Speaker 1: him on CBS, wasn't it against Brett Rodgers and he was

572
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: getting rocked and he had a rally back for a

573
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Speaker 1: dramatic knockout, and you know, once Bigfoot Silva sat on

574
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Speaker 1: his chest, it looked like it was all over back then.

575
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Speaker 1: And here we are now. The fan that is no

576
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: longer an MMA fan is going to get into this

577
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Speaker 1: and it's gonna come back and want to see it.

578
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: That Colemane event is fantastic. With a red hot Uol

579
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: Romero reformed at two hundred and five pounds, taking on

580
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Speaker 1: the winner of Corey Anderson and the DNM cough. I

581
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Speaker 1: think this is a big and as much as maybe

582
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Speaker 1: Fador against somebody a little less elite than where Bedor

583
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: stands at heavyweight for Belta right now, given Fador's age,

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Speaker 1: I get the point. We saw this before. It was

585
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Speaker 1: a quick knockout. But what happens if if Fador and

586
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Speaker 1: a millionaco wins this.

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Speaker 2: Oh, let me be clear about this. Like before this

588
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Speaker 2: kind of rejuvenated run, I would have been like, oh, well,

589
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: Baiter's just gonna win this outright, And I do think

590
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Speaker 2: when the odds come out that Ryan Baterer will probably

591
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 2: still be the favorite. But Fador has had this like

592
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Speaker 2: very improbable surge, and I do think that Bader is

593
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: beginning to show a little bit of a decline. Actually,

594
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Speaker 2: So to me, this is not I don't I'm not

595
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: expecting the first fight, reducts. That's not what I'm saying

596
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Speaker 2: at all. In fact, I think Fador's chances of win

597
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: as are as high as I won't say they've ever been.

598
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: But in recent memory, I this is the this is

599
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: his best window. Let's put it like that. So I'm

600
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Speaker 2: not expecting the first one all over again, but also

601
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: something to be said here, BC like Strikeforce occupied a

602
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 2: different space in MMA than Bellator does right now. Now,

603
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: MMA was different back then, so you know, UFC was smaller,

604
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Speaker 2: and the industry.

605
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: TV TV was different back then.

606
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Speaker 2: Tv TV was totally different back then, and so it's

607
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: been you know, Bellator has a very good roster, and

608
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: in some ways, if you compare it to the Strikeforce roster,

609
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: it's much bigger, it's much fuller in certain ways. Maybe

610
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: obviously the top down heaviness of having Cormeier and rock

611
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: Hold and all those guys isn't quite necessarily the same,

612
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: but it's a it's a it's a huge roster that

613
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Speaker 2: they have. This is the first I want to say

614
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: the first. This is a big moment for bellatore in

615
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Speaker 2: reliving and then kind of reframing a little bit themselves

616
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Speaker 2: in light of Strikeforce. This is getting a little bit

617
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: of that Strikeforce treatment that they used to have under

618
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: the Bellator banner, because they're not they're very different organizations.

619
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Speaker 2: They occupy and mean different things. This is a turbo

620
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: charging of their fortunes to begin twenty twenty three, and

621
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Speaker 2: that's good for MMA. It's good for us. It's good

622
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Speaker 2: for fans. I'm excited to see what it looks like.

623
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Speaker 1: Well, the reason why I don't get upset at all

624
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: by this matchup is this. Sometimes you and I, in

625
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Speaker 1: our many lengthy hours we do talking to each other

626
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Speaker 1: on camera, we've talked to you know, hey, look, I

627
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: kind of miss Cooker's playbook with Bellator when he first

628
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: got there, where he would take some chances in that

629
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: other area, the Data five thousand fight, which didn't you know,

630
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: was almost disastrous, or even you know, Old Shamrock against

631
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Speaker 1: Old Gracie in a trilogy, and I was, you know,

632
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: straight up and saying I kind of miss that playbook,

633
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: that part of it, that that hook, which if you're

634
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: going to compete in this very crowded M space, sometimes

635
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: you do have to reach to that level. I mean,

636
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: even UFC with CM punk in recent years did that.

637
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: Bellator was great at that for a while. That's a bubble,

638
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: though it can be popped, and you know, the matchups

639
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: can go disastrous, as I talked about right there. But

640
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Speaker 1: even though this is the reason why I love this

641
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Speaker 1: one is the fact that Fedor's still here, the fact

642
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Speaker 1: that he still has huge power or in quick hands,

643
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: and as we just said about better, it's like, yeah,

644
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: he's two and ozer at heavyweight this calendar year and

645
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: he's still the champion, but he got knocked out twice

646
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: in the year and a half before that in light heavyweight.

647
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: He's thirty nine, so you know, there's no guarantee that

648
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: this is a replay of the first fight. But even

649
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 1: if it's a mismatch, it's still that old playbook of

650
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: getting some type of crossover attraction that you kind of

651
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: have to see and then by getting people to sit

652
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: there and see that, they see what else do you

653
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: have to offer on the card? I mean, look, yol

654
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: Romero versus either championship winner there at light heavyweight is

655
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: is gonna be great theater.

656
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: I love that the big news is obviously bill toward

657
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: to CBS great fad or on it great again. I

658
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: don't hate the match up with Beata. I would have

659
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: preferred a different one, but you know they probably tried

660
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: and it just didn't go that way. But the other

661
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: piece of big news that is so exciting.

662
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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, don't go down that road yet, Luke. Okay,

663
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Speaker 1: I'm interrupting you because we're getting to that and we

664
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Speaker 1: talked about it, but I was just closing my point

665
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: here of saying this is that old play but it's

666
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: also for the heavyweight championship at the same time, so

667
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of serving both masters. You're going in the

668
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: crossover carnival route, but it's an absolute legitimate fight in

669
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: your rankings with a legend. Whether he gets knocked out

670
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: and retires there, it's still a moment. And oh, by

671
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: the way, what happens if Fador wins, then you've got

672
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: a potential bonanza. Even if Fador doesn't win, if the

673
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: ratings are through the roof, then you can take aj

674
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: McKee and potentially put him on CBS. Right, there are

675
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: things that you can do moving forward using a little

676
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: bit of the old playbook, even with the changes in

677
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: TV and out of streaming being so much heavier, and

678
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: still make a major impact. But Luke along with look,

679
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: I hope they put Aaron Peak on this car. I

680
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: hope you load it up with the kind of fights

681
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: you want the casuals to see. You got to agree

682
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: you were about to go down that road, casual or hardcore.

683
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: That comin event's fantastic, right.

684
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: So the winner of Tonight's about will be the undisputed

685
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: bellats or light heavyweight champion. Either Redeem Nemkov will retain

686
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: or Cory Anderson's going to be your new guy. Whoever

687
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: wins is going to turn right around and fight Joel

688
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: Romero on CBS on this card, dude, the deem nem

689
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: call versus Juel Romero, yes please? Or Corey Anderson versus

690
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: Uel Romero, Yes please. I would be happy, delighted to

691
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: see either of those. And this is to me the

692
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: right call by Scott Koker to put Joel Romero in

693
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: this fight. His run of wins in Bellatore since I

694
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: think he lost to Phil Davis previously. You know, the

695
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: wins have not been against the most credentialed opponents, but

696
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: Romero is a fan favorite. He won them convincingly. He

697
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: looked good. He still looks spry for his age, which

698
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: is just incredible. If you're gonna make a move with

699
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: Joel Romero right now is the time. Love the call.

700
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: Prefer the weight class A two h five for him.

701
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: Can't say a single bad thing about that comin event,

702
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: I love it.

703
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you all's last fight, Luke. When he

704
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: announced after that he was committed to making middleweight again

705
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: and wants to come after the title and and by

706
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: the way, that still could be in play. I think

707
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: since he's announced that and gotten to better shape than

708
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, some of that magic seems to be back.

709
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: He looked a little flat at the new weight class.

710
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I agree, And look, changing organizations, changing

711
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: weight classes, getting older, these things are not so easy.

712
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: But I think you're right he has began to smooth

713
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: things out a little bit in this new home and

714
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: in either case against Nemkov or against Corey Anderson, if

715
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: he ends up beating Nimkov tonight, it's it's just you

716
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: can't go wrong either way with that.

717
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: All right, in seconds, we're going to transition into the

718
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: weekend picks. We're going to get break down that main

719
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Speaker 1: event and that Colemane come in your way. Final question,

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Speaker 1: Luke on the topic of Scott cogeran company going back

721
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: to Big CBS. It is a big deal. We can

722
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: argue it's potent, you know, arguably not as big certainly

723
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Speaker 1: as you know, a decade plus ago before the streaming wars,

724
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: But how big could this be even with today's TV reality.

725
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean, there's still a lot of people out there, Luke,

726
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Middle America who may not be streaming

727
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: their their their networks right, they could still be going

728
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: it with the old cable system in the in the

729
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: box I mean still kind of feels like a big

730
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: deal in that regard. Do you see big numbers coming

731
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: from this?

732
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: Hard to say exactly what this will do. I don't

733
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: know what to make of it right out of the gate.

734
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: We only found out this news late last night, so

735
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: I haven't had a whole lot of time to noodle it.

736
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: If you look at some of the previous outings on

737
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: CBS they had done, they had done in the some

738
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 2: to the load of mid millions. I don't really know

739
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 2: what is possible, but I do have to say that

740
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: if they promote it the right way and by the way,

741
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: I think you'll be able to stream this as well

742
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: on Paramount Plus if you're like if you don't have

743
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: traditional TV and you just have the app, so you're

744
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: good there. But the question is, like, they've got this brand,

745
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: and they've got some good talent on this brand, and

746
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: they've got fighters people care about on this brand. It's

747
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: just good to see it get pushed in a way

748
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: where the wider world can get a much bigger look

749
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: at it, Like, let's be real about MMA. MMA. In

750
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: the years since Strikeforce was on CBS, it has consolidated

751
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: a little bit. There are some new players, like one

752
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: in PFL, but the UFC has only gotten bigger in

753
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: that time. It's harder, actually for any other entity to compete,

754
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: which is why Beltoor is not exactly the same as Strikeforce,

755
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 2: even though there are obviously some commonalities this kind of thing.

756
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say levels of playing field between Beltour

757
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: and UFC. That's not exactly right. UFC has a you know,

758
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: like they're arguably a monopoly. But but this is a massive,

759
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: just burst of wind at the back of Belatore. They've

760
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: got something given the ownership group to get their vision

761
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: of things and their product leveraged in a way that

762
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: really no other promoter can say. I mean, yes, obviously

763
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: PFL is on ESPN and they do sometimes get that treatment,

764
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: but this is like primetime treatment. You are the only

765
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 2: star of the show. There's no other MMA entity on CBS,

766
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: It's just them. This kind of thing is majorly helpful

767
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: for their fortunes. So what it will do, I don't know.

768
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: We'll have to see how it's promoted and how it

769
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: all looked and how it is well all received. But

770
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: this kind of thing is I would say a little

771
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: bit overdue for Belotore. They've been due for this for

772
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: a while and I'm curious to see what it does

773
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: with the brand.

774
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have to say, the reason why I

775
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: started to see that question up is no, the landscape

776
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: is different from twenty ten, two thousand and eight in

777
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: terms of how people watch this stuff. But you have

778
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: the NFL Playoffs on CBS, still the most watched linear

779
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: network to promote this, and you know, are people still

780
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: flipping through the channels and come across this, Yeah, that's

781
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: still that's still happen and Luke to a certain degree,

782
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: maybe not in fifteen year olds, but there's a way

783
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: that this can be big, and I think it's worth

784
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: the efforts. I applaud all those involved. Topic number two

785
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 1: official takes us to tonight's Bellatoor two eighty eight card.

786
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: We've also got UFC in one to give our picks

787
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: and preview, but to idiot, it's a good one. Chicago tonight,

788
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: nine pm Eastern and only on Showtime, where, of course

789
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: you already know You can get your thirty days free

790
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: by going to showtime dot com right now, MMA, Boxing,

791
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: Cosby Documentaries. Don't miss it, Okay, don't freaking miss it, Luke,

792
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: don't miss this main event vatdem Nemcoff is still your

793
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: light heavyweight champion, but he's a plus one eighty five

794
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: betting underdog against the red hot Corey Anderson. Minus two

795
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: point fifteen is the odds for the favorite. They met

796
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: in April. You remember what happened midway through the third round,

797
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: accidental headbutt as Corey Anderson dove in in top position.

798
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: Stop that fight, no contest. We talked at nauseum really

799
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: Wednesday about this storyline of this mulligan, this second chance

800
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: for Adeem nemcough. We talked to Corey about it on

801
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: the couch about now he's got the tape in the intel.

802
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: Does that matter? Though? Given how good Corey Anderson's a

803
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: game is entering this rematch tonight, man.

804
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 2: That is just the central question to this entire fight.

805
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: And there's really really really no way to know. And

806
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: you know, you could say, well, look at other fighters

807
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: who have had a chance to deal with Corey Anderson

808
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: and what the rematch might look like like Yan Blokhovich.

809
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: I mean, if you've never seen the first fight between

810
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: Corey Anderson and Yan Belhovich, Cory Anderson runs his ass

811
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Speaker 2: over like it's not really competitive, hardly at all, and

812
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: then the second fight he got viciously KO'ed. You know,

813
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: So is that the story here is that the way

814
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: this is going to go. Now, there was much more

815
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: time a part between them than this one and that one. So,

816
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: you know, we're talking a little somewhat about apples and oranges.

817
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: I just don't know, BC. You're asking a central question.

818
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: It's the most important question. It's the one we have

819
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: to have an answer for, but unfortunately there's simply no

820
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: way to know. My hunch is this, THOUGHBC. My hunch

821
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: is this. When you watch their first fight, Anderson, as

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00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: we indicated on Wednesday, was slowly beginning to take over right.

823
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: And remember, Anderson comes with a from a good team,

824
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: a good coach, like, they know what they're up against here,

825
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: they know who they've gotten Corey as well. And Corey

826
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: seems to also understand the same thing you're talking about

827
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Speaker 2: that I'm going have to bring things differently. I tend

828
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Speaker 2: to think that given how much better he was, which

829
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying he was a huge amount better. I'm

830
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Speaker 2: saying given what we saw, making up that difference in

831
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Speaker 2: the time since the last fight is certainly possible. I

832
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: think this one probably goes the distance. But I still

833
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: think Cordy Anderson will have distinct wrestling advantages at least

834
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Speaker 2: by the end of the second probably beginning of the

835
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Speaker 2: third round. Is that enough to win? That's a separate question.

836
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Speaker 2: What will he be able to have distinct advantages in

837
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Speaker 2: wrestling exchanges from before the championship round start. I think

838
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: you will. I think he absolutely will, but but there

839
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: are still there's just so much that's hard to know.

840
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: Bec I don't know exactly how to measure that. I'd

841
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: be curious to see what you think of it.

842
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: Well, I think you know it goes back to their

843
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: first fight too. There's so much we don't know about

844
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: what rounds four and five may have looked like. Because

845
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: I am here to tell you that you know Nemkov

846
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: was in this fight more than we tend to remember.

847
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: But I also when I hear Corey Anderson's comment on

848
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: our couch about how that fight went, He's not wrong

849
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: from the standpoint that he waited out the hot pocket

850
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: first round. You know, Nemcoff seemed to win that from distance,

851
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: but once he started weaponizing the cardio and mixed it

852
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 1: with sound striking and obviously the aggressive wrestling takedowns, Dude,

853
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: Nemkov wasn't you know, in fight or flight mode or

854
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: wasn't you know on till but he was gassed to

855
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: a degree. This wasn't the Nemcoff that we see going downhill,

856
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: taking control, leading with the jab, landing those hard bodykicks,

857
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: just kind of starting to walk you back and make

858
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: you wonder if if you really want to be in this,

859
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: if you're willing to trade with him, that guy wasn't there.

860
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: That guy was on his back, exhausted. Given Nemcoff's track

861
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: record before the tournament started, which by the way, scored

862
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: four straight wins, three of them by knockout against current

863
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: or former Belator champions, then went into the tournament and

864
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, look great in the first two rounds. I

865
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: want to give him that nod that he had an

866
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: extra gear potentially and he could have done something. So

867
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, in either way, we don't know until we

868
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: see this rematch. He will in some degree you have

869
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: to believe benefit from the second chance and the chance

870
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: to at the very least go after that cardio and

871
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: just step that game up, knowing now what he's up against.

872
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: But Corey can trade Luke on the feet, He's you know,

873
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: he's not in a spot where he can lose the

874
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: fight on the feet. I don't believe. But do you

875
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: think Corey's dynamic enough to win the fight on the

876
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: feet if he has to in the rematch with volume?

877
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: With volume, like if you're talking about power, or even

878
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: to a certain degree like slick kickboxing. I think Nimkov's better.

879
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: I think on that level he's better. But Corey's jab,

880
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: his footwork, his lateral movement, his level changing, right you're

881
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: talking about you're talking about justice striking, but that's that's

882
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: part of it too, right where you're at least threatening

883
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: the takedown, that kind of a thing. I think that

884
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: if he can get the jab going and really begin

885
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: to pressure and remember, here's one thing I do feel

886
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: very confident saying, even if Nemkov's cardio is the best

887
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: it's ever been for him, it's not going to be

888
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: better than Corey's. I just I have a very hard

889
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 2: time believing he's gonna out Cardio Corey Anderson. That seems

890
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: unlikely at you know, putting it mildly. So through volume,

891
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: through jab, through just constantly just raining on this guy,

892
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: do I think he could outstrike him long enough to

893
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: win the contest? It would be harrier because you're dealing

894
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: with a guy in Nemkov who can thump, who can

895
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: fight at different ranges in certain ways. I don't think

896
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 2: Corey quite can. But yeah, dude, through volume, through behind

897
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: the jab, Corey Anderson absolutely can win this strictly on

898
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: the feet. He's got that kind of stylistic favorability and

899
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: just frankly overall ability to get that done.

900
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: He was always that sneaky striking from the standpoint. If

901
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: he can come out with the big strike that you

902
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 1: know you just didn't see coming based on the way

903
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: his body was moving, you know, he disguised as well

904
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: and explodes, so I think he can level up there.

905
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: But you know, do I expect Nemkoff to though end

906
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: up on his back regardless? As we said, that's the

907
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: key question. I think if you're Nemcoff, you have to

908
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: look at it as I can be on my back

909
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: for two rounds, right if he's just if he's just

910
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: better than me and he gets me down a couple

911
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: times in one round and I'm just fighting off the

912
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: top position, you know, Okay, but it cannot be more

913
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: than two. He's got to set himself up in those

914
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: championship rounds to be in a spot, meaning Nemcoff to

915
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: keep it on the feet and then use that at

916
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: kickboxing advantage that we talked about, particularly through distance with

917
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: the jab, but also the kicks. Those kicks have to

918
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: be there. They have to be dangerous, they have to

919
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: be a constant threat. What's interesting is the odds flipped

920
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: Nemcoff a slight favorite in the first fight now a

921
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: slight underdog. But look, I went back and looked at

922
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: the tournament opening odds in January of twenty twenty one

923
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: as to who would potentially win the tournament. No surprise

924
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: at that point that Nemcof was the betting favorite at

925
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: nine to five odds to win the whole thing. But

926
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: it might be surprising to remember that tied for fifth

927
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: and sixth place was Corey Henderson and his first round opponent,

928
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: completely unheralded Dave le Don yak Shimuradov there it is.

929
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: They both were ten to one on the standpoint of

930
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: winning it. So it's like, don't forget you know, Rumble

931
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: Johnson was Rip was an unknown, so he was he

932
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: had like the third best odds. Romero is in there,

933
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: Ryan Bader was in there. Phil, you know, Phil Davison

934
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: Machida had the worst odds. But they opened Corey Anderson

935
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: as a ten to one. I mean, you know, with

936
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: with arguably the fit with really the fifth best odds here.

937
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: He's been on fire, He's been getting better each fight.

938
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: His confidence you heard on our couches through the roof.

939
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: He may be just better than them, kalv at the

940
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: end of the day, you know what I mean, Like,

941
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: that's that's what we may end up finding out. But

942
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think it goes five rounds

943
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: and we're gonna find out what we should have the

944
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: first time around. And even if Nemkov uses the advantage

945
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: to get better, that might mean a better fight, Luke,

946
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: even better fight.

947
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this one will be closer. Before it was,

948
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,479
Speaker 2: it was exciting in the sense that we both thought

949
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: Nemkov was gonna win, and here comes Cory Anderson doing

950
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: things that through his belat Or run no one had

951
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: done to Nemkov. Like, let's be clear about that. The

952
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: success that Anderson had in the first fight with Nemkov,

953
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: no one else in Belatore had that success with him.

954
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 2: Like obviously Davis was able to slow the fight down

955
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: and make it close, but like you know, prolonged periods

956
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: of top control after takedown. It's like, no, like that

957
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: didn't happen, and so we were like, whoa, what is

958
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 2: happening here? And you're right, dude, listen, I think all

959
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: of us to an extent, I can certainly speak for

960
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: myself here and if you feel differently by all me

961
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 2: and say so BC. But I have slept on Corey

962
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: Anderson a lot, Like throughout the course of his career,

963
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: there's been times I'm like, Okay, it's getting better and

964
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: then he has the loss to Blahovich or something happens,

965
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: or I think it didn't osp viciously head kick him

966
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: at some point, right, Like you know, there's been moments

967
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: where he's kind of bubbled up and then fell and

968
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: then bubbled up then fell. But I agree with you.

969
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: I do feel like maturity wise and everything else and

970
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: technical development wise, Remember he's how hold is he thirty one,

971
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: thirty two?

972
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

973
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the guy is really now smack in

974
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: his prime. That cannot be lost here. So if you're

975
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: like me, and at times you've been like, well, Corey

976
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 2: Anderson's talented, but I just don't know about this matchup

977
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: with that matchup, fair enough, I'm with you, But I

978
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: think now is the time to look at this and

979
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: be like, okay, fair enough, he had growing pains, but

980
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: now he's a fully mature MMA fighter. What do you

981
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: have on your hands now? Different equation.

982
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's a better fighter than he was

983
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: on that four fight win streak that led up to

984
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: the loss to Blohovich in the rematch, where he was

985
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: looking like a dark horse UFC title challenger, and you

986
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: know he was told before that, you know, that fight

987
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: against Johnny Walker, that Walker was going to get the

988
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: title shot if he beats him. So at that point

989
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: that was a pretty damn good Corey Anderson. But I

990
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: think that everything that has happened since then, it's just

991
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: changed him. I mean, look, he entered Bellator with like

992
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: full on bde now you know almost like hey, I

993
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: was just in that pool of sharks. I know I

994
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: could dominate this pool. And now that's not automatic. I

995
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: mean we you know, we're part of the narrative of

996
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: this fight is does the winner have an argument of

997
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: being the best light have you in the world. And

998
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: I think it's still an argument. Like we said Wednesday, Yeah,

999
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, the first loss of Nemkov's career did come

1000
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: against Prohotska, but that was seven years ago, and you

1001
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: know it ended after one round when when Nemcoff couldn't continue,

1002
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: and then Anderson's got wins over the two former champions

1003
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: in the UFC before that. So I think Anderson has

1004
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: just made the leap and it's come from that full combination.

1005
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: He got his health cleared after the setback after the

1006
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: Bouhovich loss, which was scary. They thought he might have

1007
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: hard issues and wasn't gonna fight again. And he's certainly

1008
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: been very vocal about the combination of money and respect

1009
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: that he feels he's getting from Belatore that he wasn't

1010
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: getting there. He's coming. He's coming to fulfill those dreams.

1011
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: So I didn't think the first fight would look like

1012
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: the way it did, meaning if you told me ahead

1013
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: of time. Stylistically, with the takedowns, it would have looked

1014
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: that way. I'd been like, Okay, I guess I could

1015
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: see that. I didn't think it would look that way

1016
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: with Anderson's you know, body language in physical appearance, just

1017
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: showing us like badass domination and Nemcov again uh, not

1018
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: on tilt but struggling to keep up. I didn't think

1019
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: we'd see that. Even if you told me ahead of

1020
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 1: time that Anderson was gonna win with wrestling, I didn't

1021
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: think you would see that visual difference between the two

1022
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: in terms of like momentum and maybe even skill in

1023
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: that moment. Yeah, we have slept on Corey Anderson. He

1024
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: gets a second chance too, to prove everyone wrong. Get

1025
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: that million bucks and now we know, fight on CBS

1026
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: if he wins defending his title against you ol Ramera

1027
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: on February fourth. Not small, not a small escalation. This

1028
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: is the big leagues here too. So happy to see that, Luke,

1029
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: as it pertains to a prediction. Though you said it

1030
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: would go the distance minus two fifteen Corey Anderson plus

1031
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: one eighty five Nemkough. Does Anderson raise that title at

1032
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: the end of the day.

1033
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: You know what, man, I've been a big believer in

1034
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: Themkov when he knocked out Ryan Bader, I was like,

1035
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: holy shit, if you guys have never seen that knockout,

1036
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: go back and find it. He looked like a goddamn

1037
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 2: murderer in that fight. I couldn't believe how just slick

1038
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: and athletic and fast he looked. And I thought the

1039
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: first time he was gonna look slick, athletic and fast

1040
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: against Corey Anderson, he just didn't. Again, to your point,

1041
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: he was in the fight more than perhaps memory might

1042
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: tell you. But Corey Anderson just was able to do

1043
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: things as indicated no one else can do, or I

1044
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 2: should say, had done. To that point, I'm gonna stick

1045
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: with Corey Anderson. Man. I've been a big believer in nemcov.

1046
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: I do think he's one of the best light heavyweights

1047
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: in the world. But Corey Anderson really seems to me

1048
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: to be crystallizing every good thing that's happened to him,

1049
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: every failure that's motivated him, all the technical development he needed.

1050
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: He is primed for this one. He could get knocked out.

1051
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: He's dealing with a heavy hitter and athletic younger guy.

1052
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: Let's make no mistake about it. This is a tough fight.

1053
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: It's a close fight. I think Corey Anderson's going to

1054
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: edge him out. We shall see.

1055
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the recent history tells you Anderson by

1056
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: decision is a good feeling. I feel good about that.

1057
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: But I am interested to see can Nemkov like we

1058
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: didn't get to see in the championship rounds in April?

1059
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: Can he show us an even higher gear the team

1060
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: Fator product pretty damn badass himself. This will be great

1061
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: tonight from Chicago. Luke the Coleman event. Though we feel

1062
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: like Asparza versus Young Wayley here, it feels like we've

1063
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: already crowned four and oh and Bellator I believe sixteen

1064
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: and oh overall Usman nor Maga Metof twenty three, twenty

1065
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: four years old. Man, I gotta get my stats up

1066
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: to date here, but he'll be fighting for the lightweight

1067
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: title that is around the waist of patriarchy Pitbull free

1068
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: eighty free air free a twenty four years old? Is

1069
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: Usman nor Maga Metov. Look, before we get into the

1070
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: x's and o's on this breakdown, you echoed pretty hard

1071
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, and rightfully so. Pitbull's claims about Usman not

1072
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: having earned this are our glass Housie and I had

1073
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: we had Patrichy on CBS Sports HQ After the Way

1074
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: and yesterday, and he was, you know, all matter of fact. Now,

1075
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't deserve it. He's only getting it because

1076
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: of his name. Gosh, that's a bit hypocritical when his

1077
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: own brother gave up the title for him to have

1078
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: a chance to fight it against a guy who just

1079
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: beat him. I mean, we gotta beat We do have

1080
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: to be fair hair. So I want to ask you

1081
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: off the start, is that just Patrichy being a badass

1082
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: and doing something that it doesn't matter if it's true,

1083
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: it's what he needs to tell himself to overcome the odds,

1084
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: or do you think he believes that.

1085
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: I think a lot of fighters have a me against

1086
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: the world attitude, you know, And I think that's just

1087
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: an occupant for some anyway, for some, because everyone's a

1088
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: little bit different. But I think for some. In my

1089
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 2: you know, nearly twenty years of covering this or covering

1090
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 2: combat sports, what I've realized is these guys live and

1091
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 2: die in their own mind, and sometimes they will tell

1092
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 2: themselves shit that has either little or sometimes even no

1093
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: evidentiary backing, just to give themselves the architecture they need

1094
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: to go and accomplish a goal. To go and accomplish

1095
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: a mission, they will truly just lie to themselves over

1096
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 2: and over and over again, brainwash themselves, as you can say,

1097
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: to go accomplish a goal. I think he's bitter that,

1098
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: you know, a guy with a name number get made

1099
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: Off is getting what he sees his fast treatment. He's

1100
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: been that organization a long time. He did have a

1101
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 2: six fight win streak or I think a six fight

1102
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: win streak before arsis say, sense of the loss to

1103
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: Chandler he had one, and then the whole Queelely thing

1104
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: and even Tofique Massaiah. But you know he had put

1105
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 2: in his dues in military in a way that I

1106
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: think he feels like Nimberga Madeov hasn't and fair enough,

1107
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: that's the way he wants to look at it. That

1108
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: probably is true, he hasn't put in the dues. But

1109
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: the reality is what the reality is. Man, if you

1110
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 2: want to be champion, there's a target on your back.

1111
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: You have to accept the top guy. And he can

1112
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: say he didn't fight anyone, right except the guys that

1113
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: he did fight. He made him look like fucking amateurs.

1114
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: That's the difference. And you look at the odds now

1115
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: and they are wide apart. There's one place I won't

1116
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: say who it is. BC. Look at some of these odds,

1117
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: our friends at Caesar's. They have nimber Goa madeov as

1118
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: a minus six fifty, Patricky at a plus four seventy five.

1119
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm looking at some other ones down the line here

1120
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: they've got nimber Goa madev as higher than a minus

1121
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: one thousand. Now that seems a little bit crazy to me,

1122
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 2: because Patricky is battle tested and he's got big power

1123
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 2: and whatnot. But I think that Patricky has told himself

1124
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: something to give himself a reason to get up for

1125
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: this fight, to get himself as prepared as he could be.

1126
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: It doesn't lack a lot of evidence. Excuse me, It

1127
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: lacks a lot of evidence, and it doesn't really hold

1128
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: up under much scrutiny. But if that's the thing that

1129
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: he needs to get the best out of himself, yeah,

1130
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: that's what he's gonna say.

1131
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: Well, I think you presented that right. The whole idea

1132
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: about like what patriarchy has accomplished. In some ways, he's

1133
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: the little nog to his brother, to some degree, which

1134
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: is hard. But this fight, he's closing in on some

1135
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: bellator records. He's tied for first already with most knockouts

1136
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: in bellator history. Is patriarchy, and if he wins, he'll

1137
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: move into a second place spot, right below his brother

1138
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: for most wins in belator history. So you know, we

1139
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: think of who's the poster boy Bellator. It was Michael Chandler,

1140
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 1: it became Patricio Pitpoll. Patricky's not too far from that,

1141
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: So I get that standpoint. But yeah, he is a monster,

1142
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: monster underdog. So look, I'm looking back at Patricky's career.

1143
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because he's at the he's at

1144
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: a point where it was good to see him finally

1145
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: get his moment. He's thirty six years old. He went

1146
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: in there and stopped Quey and got the title. Good

1147
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: on him. You look up and down. His career record

1148
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: is twenty four and ten god wins over Benson Henderson,

1149
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: Josh Thompson, Sada wad Right, Queely Huerta. He has, though

1150
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: typically lost when he stepped up really high twice the

1151
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: Chandler twice to Derek Anderson, Atdie Alvarez got him, and

1152
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: of course recently with Tofiku Musayev under the rise in

1153
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: banner and queenly by doctor stoppage there, he's always been

1154
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: very good, not great. It just feels like Usman's already

1155
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: great and might be like super special. So in that equation,

1156
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 1: it's like, historically pit Bull should lose this matchup because

1157
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: he is putting his head high above water. How does

1158
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: he pull the upset?

1159
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: Though?

1160
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: How does Patricky in a five round fight here where

1161
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: Usman's never been past three and that was one time.

1162
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: How does the nearly five to one underdog pitpoll pull

1163
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: off this upset tonight?

1164
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: The reality of Nimerga Madov is, you know, you hear

1165
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: that name and you think, oh, good grappling, which he

1166
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: does have, like he very much does have, But he

1167
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: actually has pretty good striking too. He's not quite like

1168
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: Habib in that way. He's got a pretty good, I

1169
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: would say, maybe inn a really good kickboxing game. Now

1170
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: he's a little bit more hesitant with it to use

1171
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: it at all times, and I think you might see

1172
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 2: that here because Patricky is such a big puncher. But

1173
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: to me, b C, it's like, again, I want to

1174
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: be clear, if Nimberga Madov was forced to fight this

1175
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 2: on the feet. Do I think he could still win?

1176
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: I do. I think it'd be much harder, that would

1177
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: be a little more coin flip territory. But he could

1178
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: get it done. But if Patricky can't stop the takedown

1179
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: or stop the transitioning in the chain wrestling of a

1180
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: guy like Neimerka Madov, it's it's it's frankly fucking hopeless

1181
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: for him. I mean, I just don't if that if

1182
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: that is not in play where you know, not every time,

1183
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: not every time where it's a five round fight, right

1184
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 2: it's fighting for a title, doesn't have you don't have

1185
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: to have one hundred percent takedown defensive rate. But if

1186
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: you basically basically can't stop it and you can't really

1187
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: create separation to break up the chain wrestling and the

1188
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: chain attacks that Usbin Nimber Gamdov is so good at

1189
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: it's a rap for you. It's a rap you're not

1190
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: gonna win. So really that's the key. He has to

1191
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: not only stop the takedown, he has to find a

1192
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: way to disengage from that chained process. That number go

1193
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: Madoff puts again, look at the Chris Gonzalez one from

1194
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: it he goes to a knee to a knee tap,

1195
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: the guy scrambles, locks up the power guillotine, and then

1196
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: he goes. That process cannot take place for prolonged periods

1197
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: of time, otherwise he loses.

1198
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: Luke, got to bring my crystal ball into the shop

1199
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: to get it looked at after that Poorrier debacle last week.

1200
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: But the biggest statement Nirmaga madeoff could make to justify

1201
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: the odds and his hype and his name, I think

1202
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: would be a spectacular finish, like a headkick knockout dude.

1203
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: That would be impressive to win the title against a

1204
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: veteran it's so battle tested. But that's kind of potentially

1205
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: in play too, Luke. He's very dynamic on the feet.

1206
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you're gonna bet a finish here,

1207
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: you might go the submission route, like you just said.

1208
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: But if he comes out here and head kicks Patricky, like,

1209
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: that's about as good as he could do tonight, right,

1210
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's like Hello world, I'm here.

1211
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, by the way, is in play, Like he

1212
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: can do it. I mean, this highlight to me is

1213
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 2: incredible for what he's able to show here. The guy

1214
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: he's beating as a team Alpha Mal member and he

1215
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: just made it look like it was nothing that is

1216
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: in play. But that's more at kickboxing range. So if

1217
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: Patricky comes out and he's like, there's the other part too, Like,

1218
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: is Patriki gonna pressure real hard? I tend to think

1219
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: not necessarily because he doesn't want to like push into

1220
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: a takedown so much. But he's gonna have to put

1221
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: some kind of pressure behind him. He's gonna have to

1222
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: move him back a little bit. So the question is

1223
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: how he negotiates that. But yeah, dude, on the feet,

1224
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: like the usbinner, Murger Madoff is not habib. He can

1225
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 2: strike on the feet very comfortably. I just feel like,

1226
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, what's the path of least resistance? Probably what

1227
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: you're looking at on the screen right now.

1228
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: A reminder Beltar two eighty eight the main card, nine

1229
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: pm Eastern night on Showtime. Don't miss. I think it's

1230
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: kicking off the main card when Walter wait Roman Feraldo

1231
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: brings US eight and oerd record with eight knockouts most

1232
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: of the spectacular this time. He's a minus one ninety

1233
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: five favorite. In his first main card appearance against Levon

1234
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: Chokiel plus one sixty five. So Luke, we talked about

1235
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: the setup for that fight. I want to see if

1236
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: he can keep that streak alive and look spectacular. A

1237
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: couple other goodies there. Don't miss that tonight. Luke Let's

1238
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: transition as well into UFC Fight Night, which goes down Saturday.

1239
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: From the Apex Heavyweights underdog Derek Lewis at plus one

1240
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: six ' five three losses in four fights, definitely had

1241
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: a feeling of a potential crossroads moment Sergei Spievak minus

1242
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: one ninety five. Uh, somebody's getting knocked out, right, Well.

1243
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 2: This is a funny one, right, This is a funny one.

1244
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 2: So you know MEBC, I like the numbers, I like math,

1245
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: I like turtles. You know what I'm saying, all right, tuttles?

1246
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

1247
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: So here's what Richard dick Man came up with talking

1248
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: about Sergey Spivak and Derek Lewis, and to me, this

1249
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: is the one that you know holds all of the

1250
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: this is the one that holds all of the cards. Basically, Basically,

1251
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: when Sergei Spivak gets the takedown, he almost always wins,

1252
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: and in fights where he doesn't get the takedown, the

1253
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: chances drop pretty significantly. Spivak has been somewhat overly relying

1254
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 2: on his ground game. In the UFC, he has gone

1255
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: five to zero when he's able to land at least

1256
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: one takedown. However, when he has failed to land a takedown,

1257
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: he is one and three. But BC you might be thinking, okay, well,

1258
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 2: let's takedown or bust then for Spivak. Well, here's the

1259
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: weird part. Lewis is kind of the opposite and it

1260
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. In UFC fights where Derek Lewis

1261
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 2: has allowed an opponent to land a takedown, so he

1262
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: has given up the takedown, he's eleven and two and

1263
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: ready for this. In fights where his opponent has failed

1264
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: to land a takedown, he is six and six. Derek

1265
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: Lewis is better when someone gets him down that The

1266
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: math is quite clear on this. He's five hundred. When

1267
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 2: there's no takedown involved, he's eleven and two. Otherwise, So,

1268
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 2: b C, what does that tell you to me? What

1269
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: that read on that is is that when he doesn't

1270
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 2: have guys going for the takedown who kind of want

1271
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 2: to meet him Mono Imano, it's somebody like a tie

1272
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 2: to Ivasa who actually has a real threat of putting

1273
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: his lights out and that's just the way that it goes. Conversely,

1274
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 2: the guys who want to take him down are kind

1275
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 2: of afraid of his power. They want to get away

1276
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 2: from his power. They want to get under or not under,

1277
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: but you know they want to hide away from it

1278
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 2: and kind of get this and we all know he's

1279
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: got deceptive defense. Or he'll just wait for something to

1280
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 2: happen and then burst and then start to scramble, then

1281
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: get back to his feet and then he's punishing someone.

1282
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: So that's what it tells you. So is Spivac gonna

1283
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: be part of that eleven and two or that six

1284
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 2: and six. It's hard to say, but this is what

1285
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: you're up against. You have to ask yourself the question

1286
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: who is Saragay Spivak. Is he the guy that wants to,

1287
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: like almost in a trepidacious way, get away from the

1288
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 2: power or is he somebody who wants who can kind

1289
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: of mix it up a little bit and therefore can

1290
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: get the takedown. But is it hiding from that?

1291
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: That's definitely a key question in terms of what this

1292
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: will actually look like. I do wonder, though, that's stat

1293
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: if that means that when Lewis is on his back,

1294
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: he gets more urgency to need to get up and

1295
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: make something happen, as opposed to fights where they're fighting

1296
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: at distance. And sometimes he's playing a little bit too

1297
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: much of the pawing chess game. I don't know. His

1298
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: conditioning always is a big factor, though it seems into

1299
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: the wins and losses just the same. So the key

1300
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: question is whether Derek Lewis is coming or going. My

1301
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: key question for you, Luke, is even if Derek Lewis

1302
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: is coming, meaning he had the training camp he needed,

1303
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: he's in the right mental state, he's prepared to get

1304
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: the best out of what's left. Can Spevak still beat him?

1305
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I could. Okay, When when Spivac first came

1306
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 2: to the UFC, I thought he was a fine prospect,

1307
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: but not anything remarkable, And I still am not exactly sure,

1308
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: like how good is he is? Right, we're gonna find

1309
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: out tomorrow to some degree that answer will just get

1310
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: a little bit more of an approximate answer to it.

1311
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 2: But there's simply no denying he has turned a corner, right,

1312
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 2: There's just no denying his ability to mix everything together

1313
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: is just much more nimble. Before he was kind of

1314
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 2: going one direction or the other. And there wasn't a

1315
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: lot of trickery. There wasn't a lot of smoothness between

1316
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: the different phases of offense, and now there is. They're

1317
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: very clearly is now that Greg Hardy fight doesn't necessarily

1318
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: tell you that because Greg is terrible on the ground,

1319
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 2: and you know that's why he's fighting. We're seeing Rockmont

1320
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: Junior this weekend or whatever the fuck that is? Yeah,

1321
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 2: but is that this week I don't even know when

1322
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: that is.

1323
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's sad, that's tomorrow.

1324
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, so whatever the fuck that happened.

1325
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 2: But putting that aside, he's got real here's the thing.

1326
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 2: He's got good ground and pound, he's got good balance,

1327
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: he's got good control, he's strong. He the extreme couture

1328
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: has really worked on his overall striking, and there's just

1329
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: the blending of the two. See this is why it's like,

1330
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a hold. Derek lewis down at

1331
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: all costs and certainly avoid some of the more precarious situations.

1332
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: But he can do damage to the guy and threaten

1333
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 2: him in ways that other guys can't. I will say

1334
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: something though, man at one time rolled with a guy

1335
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 2: who was like three hundred and fifty pounds, just this

1336
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: fucking monster. And man, all right, this guy was fucking terrible.

1337
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 2: He was good, but it was terrible to roll with him.

1338
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: And what I notice is you get these big dudes,

1339
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 2: you can't really take mount on them, man, because it's

1340
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 2: just impossible to sit there and hold that with the

1341
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 2: space that you need. It's actually much better to go

1342
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: to side or turtle or something. But in mma that

1343
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: actually allows them to spring to their feet more easily.

1344
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 2: So this is gonna be a question to me BC

1345
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,959
Speaker 2: not so much of Derek Lewis's takedown defense or something

1346
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: like that, the traditional question, but rather getting back to

1347
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: the one you posed before, which is okay, you can

1348
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 2: train your ass off and everything. Has Derek Lewis's chin

1349
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: been compromised? Is he shop worn? Is he no longer

1350
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: willing to tolerate these difficult situations in a way where

1351
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: he might have had more competitive fire before. These, to

1352
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 2: me are the questions that are more in play rather

1353
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: than will a guyab be able to get to take

1354
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 2: down or not, because those preconditions are the ones that

1355
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 2: are going to set up the results later.

1356
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: Look to answer your question about grappling with people that size,

1357
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: I go right for North South when that happens, North

1358
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: Sal yeah, North Sao. Yeah, that's that's but only against

1359
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: female fighters. So look, but thank you very much, Luke

1360
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: up and down this card. We set up the storylines.

1361
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: I want picks now. The fight I care about well,

1362
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: Jack Della Maddelena I care a lot about, But I

1363
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: want to pick from you on this. Jennifer ma Maya,

1364
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: Marina Morose fight at one twenty five morose a minus

1365
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: one eighty favorite myap plus one fifty five, looking to

1366
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: shake a two fight losing skit against elite foes. I

1367
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean I think the you know, if Moros wins this,

1368
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: there's there's a path for her to make a move

1369
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: here in this division. Does she get past that that

1370
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: sturdiness and ground game from Maya?

1371
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about this one, man, I am.

1372
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 2: It's like, why do I say this exactly? Like each

1373
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 2: one could prey on the other's distinct flaws in the

1374
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 2: kind of like the perfect way. Like Jennifer Maya. Obviously,

1375
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 2: let's look at her takedown numbers here. Take down accuracy

1376
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: not high at thirty percent. Well that's not altogether uncommon.

1377
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: But like, dude, what's the takedown defensive rate for Marina Moreause, dude,

1378
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 2: it's forty seven percent. I mean that's just fucking low.

1379
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: It's just low. It's really low, you know. And then

1380
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 2: you know, beating guy or beating that, I should say,

1381
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 2: ladies like Sabina Maso or Agaba Ba that's impressive, but

1382
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 2: Maya is much better than them on the ground. And

1383
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 2: also she gets hit a lot. She has a positive

1384
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: differential four point oh four to the three point nine,

1385
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 2: so it's positive differential, but barely barely. Now to that point,

1386
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 2: Maya has a negative differential three point six to one

1387
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 2: to four point twenty four, so she actually gets hit

1388
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: more than she lands. So it's like, on the one hand,

1389
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 2: you've got a sort of a nimble striker of distance,

1390
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 2: and by the way, Morose has a three inch reach advantage.

1391
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 2: Then on the other side, she's but fairly poor takedown defense,

1392
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 2: and this capacity for someone like Maya to really overwhelm her.

1393
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 2: This is a bit of a coin flip for me.

1394
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 2: I probably I think that fucking a. I think Moro's

1395
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 2: is surging, so I would probably lean towards her, But

1396
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 2: I have to tell you like, there's very much a

1397
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 2: world where Maya goes in there and takes her down,

1398
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 2: takes her back and just chokes her out inside of

1399
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: a round like that is very much on the table.

1400
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: So I'll side with More's, but uncomfortably. BC.

1401
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: Dude, that was a really good breakdown of a fight

1402
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: that I thought you were gonna, you know, kick me

1403
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: out and gloss over and be like, yeah, it's okay,

1404
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: I don't care who wins. Let's go to the next one.

1405
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: You get like a you know, good faith response there. Wow.

1406
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're only going to watch this

1407
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: fight to read the articles, Luke, but this is a

1408
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: good fight, so you know, I want to see if

1409
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: Moro's can take that leap. She's got to be way

1410
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: more active. But this is the right setting I'll look at.

1411
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: Give me the one you I'm telling you straight up,

1412
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: Portugal's Andre Fillo is going to get into a war

1413
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: with Muslim Solikov and it's going to be fun to watch.

1414
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: What else what's grabbing you here?

1415
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 2: Is it?

1416
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 1: Mister Dobbelina? Uh?

1417
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: There's not Yeah, it's jack Dale, Madelena. Other than that,

1418
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 2: I don't really care about this card all that much.

1419
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'll be there for the super sloppiness early

1420
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: in the fight card, and.

1421
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 2: I expect jack Dale Madelania to have a bit of

1422
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 2: a tough fight early. Expect him to take over this

1423
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: Dude's adjustments striking are are sharp. He's real good.

1424
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: Okay. Do you think that Rodolfo Vieira gets off the

1425
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:52,440
Speaker 1: snide against Amanda Bobby Cooper Bundridge's baby daddy And Man.

1426
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what to make of

1427
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 2: Hudolpho Vieira. We said this on Wednesday. I think he

1428
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 2: probably gets the sub But to be honest with you,

1429
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 2: like I don't have much confidence even if he gets

1430
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 2: the sub. Here it's like, do you now have confidence

1431
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:08,879
Speaker 2: in him as a title contender?

1432
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: Like?

1433
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 2: Not really? Right? So you know he might be He

1434
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 2: probably should be favored. I don't know what the odds are,

1435
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 2: but slight lean towards Vieira.

1436
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: Also tonight, MMA offers on Prime Video. It's one on

1437
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: Prime Video four ten pm main card in the East

1438
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: Singapore Indoor Stadium. Rod Tang in that co main event

1439
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: is gonna be fighting for the Muay Thai bandam Way title.

1440
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: But Luke, this is a very interesting main event when

1441
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: you have now former welterweight champion who just lost his

1442
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: title on the scales yesterday, Kymrian Abasov, who unsuccessfully tried

1443
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: to move up to middleweight and face Reiner de Ritter

1444
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: there and got subbed. He was going to bring his

1445
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: welterweight title into a defense tonight against Christian Lee, the

1446
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: twenty four year old lightweight champion who's moving up for

1447
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: the Champ Champ opportunity, but Albisov came in one and

1448
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: a quarter pound over was stripped. We're gonna do it

1449
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: anyway as a catchwaight Uh do you care, Luke? Because

1450
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: I did some research, I'm into it now, dude. I'll

1451
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: say this about One separate from the reality show. Although

1452
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: I'd love to be on the Apprentice, I'd love to

1453
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: go to Singapore with Jake and the dock cameras. Every

1454
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: time I do invest in One, I feel like it

1455
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: was a good investment when I come out of it.

1456
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 2: Yes, again, One does silly shit, and their head honcho

1457
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 2: Chautri says silly shit, but their product is good. It's

1458
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 2: a good product if you actually sit down and watch it,

1459
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 2: it feels different, it feels unique, it feels you know, unusual.

1460
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: And again I'm a Prime Amazon member, so it's you know,

1461
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 2: very easy for me to watch. Like there's a lot

1462
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 2: of good things about it. I want to take a

1463
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 2: step back here for just a second, UGHBC, before we

1464
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 2: talk about the fights of themselves, which I'm into, Dude,

1465
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 2: this whole Can we finally can we finally, finally, finally

1466
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 2: put to bed the fucking bullshit that one has fixed

1467
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 2: weight cutting? This is a fucking joke of all jokes.

1468
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 2: They never show their shit publicly, hardly ever before years

1469
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: they didn't do anything with Hell, well we're gonna have

1470
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 2: hydration testing, it's gonna fix all this. They do them

1471
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: for the ones on Amazon Prime, and it's nothing but

1472
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: weight misses left and fucking right. They had ten people

1473
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 2: yesterday who had missed weight initially in the hydration test.

1474
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 2: Even after retesting, I think they still had four. They

1475
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 2: had Jonathan Haggerty, who came out of weight class, still

1476
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 2: missed it. Kyamrion Abasov failed the hydration test twice and

1477
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 2: the weight so he loses his title on the fucking scales. Dude.

1478
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 2: They haven't solved jack shit. It's a myth. It's smoking

1479
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: mirrors it's not real, it doesn't work. You have been

1480
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 2: led to believe nonsense. Stop buying into it, folks. People

1481
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 2: in powerful positions, this is true worldwide. But people in

1482
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: powerful positions in combat sports will tell you nonsense and

1483
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 2: then use the press each of the office of which

1484
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 2: they hold or the power which they occupy, and use

1485
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 2: that as just simply rule by the virtue of popularity,

1486
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 2: rule by virtue of how much power they retain in

1487
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 2: the industry, whether or not that statement or any of

1488
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: the statements they make, has any relationship to the factual

1489
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 2: world as best we understand it. Stop giving promotions, any

1490
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 2: of them, any of them, the benefit of the doubt

1491
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: when they make claims about what they do or what

1492
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 2: they say, or what they represent, or what positions they

1493
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 2: hold or whatever. The only thing that matters in this

1494
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 2: world is what they can prove. And what they have

1495
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 2: proven is that their hydration system doesn't fucking work right.

1496
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 2: And it's a fucking smoke show.

1497
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: Thank you, Can we get off the soapy look? I

1498
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: can never ask you about a one fight without you

1499
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: giving some one rent. And you know you certainly just

1500
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: got fired from any potential involvement on the Apprentice. Thank

1501
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: you very much for ruining my chances. But I'm not

1502
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: gonna say you're wrong, Okay. I mean that probably could

1503
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: have been summed up in a sentence. But I liked

1504
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: your passion just the same. But do you like this

1505
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: fight Abasov versus Lee? Champs Champ?

1506
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 2: That aside that aside, cards cards great, cards great, So Abasov,

1507
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 2: I do wonder about the fact that he like Mentally,

1508
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: what does it do to you that you lost your

1509
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 2: title on the scales? And this was supposed to be

1510
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: a Champ Champ fight. Now the difference is Christian Lee

1511
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: is an exciting fighter, but he is supposed to be

1512
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 2: the smaller of the two here, right, So he's still

1513
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 2: kind of up against it in that way and should

1514
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 2: be noted bit of a risk taker, bit of a

1515
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 2: risk taker. So, like you wonder accepting risk and then

1516
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,839
Speaker 2: being smaller what that does to you in this particular contest.

1517
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard to say exactly. They reached a

1518
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 2: catchweight of one to eighty six point twenty five, which

1519
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 2: is where obviously Abasov ended up. I don't I would

1520
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 2: have picked Abasov cleanly before. I I think I'm still

1521
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 2: gonna pick him BC. I don't know if you have

1522
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: a different read on this.

1523
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking to see it. I'm looking to see it.

1524
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: I don't have a read because I'm somewhat new on

1525
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: these guys, but I've been doing some uh some some

1526
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: research to get up to this point. Look, i'll tell

1527
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: you right now, I'm interviewing Ranier de Ritter, the two

1528
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 1: division champion after the show. He's going to be headlining

1529
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: the next card. You know, he's real good. So I watched.

1530
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 2: Your candidate this year.

1531
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just watched his last couple of fights,

1532
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: all you know, submission wins and incredible stuff. Abasov was

1533
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: one of those. But no, I want to see if

1534
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 1: Christian Lee can come up to the new division, take

1535
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: advantage of the situation and try to you know. I mean, look,

1536
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: one gives their guys a chance to do big ship,

1537
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: you know. Again, like I said on Wednesday, maybe that's

1538
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: part of the the marketing idea, you know, like get

1539
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: you in with you know, we got DJ come on

1540
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: over and see him, but now you got to see

1541
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: what we really have. The winner of this could be

1542
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: one of those, you know, especially if it's Christian Lee here,

1543
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: Abasov would would would not have the belt because of

1544
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: his miss but we'll see. I'm here for rod Tang. Yeah,

1545
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: Bibiana Fernandez. Whatever you want me to say anything else

1546
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: about this.

1547
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: Card, Luke, I, we'll say Bibiano Fernandez previously fought it

1548
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 2: bantamweight and is now at this fight at one fifty

1549
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 2: three point twenty five. Like they he missed weight real badly.

1550
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened there. That, by the way,

1551
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 2: obviously is not one's fault. That's I don't know what

1552
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 2: the fuck that is. The rod Tang one is interesting,

1553
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: taking on Joseph Laciri. Laciri has fought up at flyweight before,

1554
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 2: but not in some time. He's the strawweight champ, so

1555
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 2: he's moving up. I do expect rod Tang to win,

1556
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 2: but that one should be fun. And also, as I

1557
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 2: talked about it before, Cosmo ala Chandre hasn't fought since

1558
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 2: that sort of disastrous fight for Stage North Cut where

1559
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 2: he got his face broken into a million pieces. He's

1560
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 2: taken on unhralded and frankly largely unknown Wan Servantes. I

1561
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 2: expect al Chandre to shine here as well, so should

1562
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 2: be a fun card. Dude should be action packed. I

1563
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 2: mean they put together bangers on this card. It should

1564
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 2: be fun.

1565
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: I'll be interested on a future show maybe ahead of

1566
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 1: that next fight, to talk some deritter with you, Luke.

1567
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: This guy thinks he's the best grappler on the planet.

1568
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 2: So wow, oh he's very good.

1569
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: Have you tapped Brendan lynn of our social team yet?

1570
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: That's my question?

1571
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I mean you're asking a lot now, I

1572
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 2: mean who could you know what I'm saying, could.

1573
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: I was debating whether Brendan Lynch could tap Brendan schob

1574
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: In in a grappling match. I don't know about that.

1575
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:12,560
Speaker 1: We'll see.

1576
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 2: Pretty good. I mean he's out of like competition shape

1577
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 2: or whatever, but I'm.

1578
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: Prepared to be surprised. I'm definitely okay, so let's keep

1579
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 1: the show going.

1580
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 2: Is Brendan Lynch is kind of small and Brendan shob

1581
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 2: is kind of big, So.

1582
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, is Brendan Lynch close enough to

1583
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, uh, Gordon Ryan and looks to be considered

1584
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: a dime store version? How far away is his jujuts?

1585
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: That's what I really need to see. I need to

1586
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 1: find out. Okay, Yeah, Look, breaking news tweet from Terrence

1587
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: Crawford This is real. The real flex is I'm living life, happy, paid,

1588
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of y'all is sad, jealous, broken, miserable.

1589
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you he doesn't want that fight with Spence,

1590
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 2: and you know he does. He doesn't really want to, doesn't.

1591
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: Really well he I think I think a print in

1592
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: another country wrote him an email and said, I could

1593
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: you know if you if you send me money, I

1594
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: can get find, you know, one hundred million for you.

1595
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 2: I just don't know how people could look at the

1596
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 2: available evidence and come to the conclusion that, like I'm

1597
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 2: not saying both sides aren't at fault in some kind

1598
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 2: of way, but that you can say definitively Crawford wants

1599
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 2: this fight as much as Spence does. Everything. Crawford says

1600
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 2: he did an interview with Max calumeron and he's like, yeah,

1601
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 2: my legacy's intact, and to an extent, he certainly is right,

1602
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 2: Like he has done incredible things in the sport. If

1603
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 2: he decided to hang it up today, you know, we'd

1604
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 2: be talking about how great he is in myriad ways

1605
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 2: for long periods of time. But all of that to me,

1606
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: the way which he said it was just like, yeah,

1607
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 2: I don't really need this fight with Spence, and it's like,

1608
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 2: if you feel like you don't need it.

1609
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: Dude, he's been saying that for years. Man, he's been

1610
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: saying it for years, I.

1611
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 2: Know, but he's never really doubling down.

1612
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: Here of late, like yeah.

1613
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 2: Just to he does. He doesn't want to fight. He

1614
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: doesn't want to fight.

1615
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:54,719
Speaker 1: There's a lot of our viewers that think we're way

1616
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 1: off on this and that it's you know, him In

1617
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: and Spence. I don't know, we don't know. We can

1618
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: only pair together what we hear, we see in this

1619
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: it's damn make that fight. Damn. So I think I'm

1620
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: taking all of my pain from Spence Crawford putting it

1621
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: over here and filling that with Tank and Raigai, right, just.

1622
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 2: Just yeah, I mean yes, exactly. Like you know, again,

1623
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 2: i don't know who exactly is to blame. I'm sure

1624
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 2: Spence had in his side have something to say for

1625
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 2: but in the case of Tank and Ryan, they said,

1626
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 2: funk all that bullshit, make this fight, and.

1627
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: Theyft all that bs. Topic number three, Luke, we have

1628
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: an announcement here. It's going to go down on this

1629
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 1: perth UFC two eighty four card In Australia, February eleventh. This,

1630
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: this shit's starting to get loaded, right, This card's starting

1631
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: to come together. We now have Kai Car France against

1632
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: Alex Perez in a key flyweight till while I do

1633
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: care what you think about that fight, Luke, are you

1634
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: starting to get jacked for two eighty four? I mean

1635
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: it's coming and it's Islam Maha chev Volkanowski, It's yeah

1636
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: year and Emmett for the interim title. I mean, this

1637
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: shit's gonna bang.

1638
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is a good fight certainly, as long as

1639
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 2: this fight stays on the feet between Kaikara France and

1640
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 2: Alex Perez. Kai Car France should win this one walking away.

1641
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 2: But Perez is a good wrestler. He's a phenomenal scrambler.

1642
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 2: He can mix it up really well. That's a long

1643
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 2: way to travel for him, obviously, it's a much shorter

1644
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 2: flight for Kai Car France. But I like this as

1645
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 2: a get back fight. Remember he was beating Brandon Moreno

1646
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 2: in the rematch right up until he wasn't you know

1647
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 2: what I mean. He ate the body kick and that's

1648
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 2: the whole thing. But he looked good. He has been

1649
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 2: massively improved. We talked about it so if he can

1650
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 2: get past a guy like Perez. You know that that

1651
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: fight against Moreno didn't go his way. But I just like,

1652
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 2: do you buy Mec that Carla France is like totally

1653
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 2: out of the running for a title. I just don't

1654
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 2: believe that.

1655
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: Everything you said is accurate. Everything you said. And flyweights,

1656
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they have car crashes. So you know, guys

1657
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: are gonna lose big fights and big moments, you know,

1658
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to bounce back, as Moreno has

1659
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 1: done time and again, as Figeredo did to win back

1660
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: the full belt. It's what you have to do at

1661
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 1: this level. And I didn't want to misrepresent that two

1662
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: eighty four is some absolutely loaded card. In fact, it's

1663
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: basically a local special after the top three and a

1664
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: half fights. I say half because yeah, I'm excited about

1665
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,640
Speaker 1: car KaiA Franz Kai car France against Alex Prez to

1666
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: a certain level, but those three, Luke, this is top

1667
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: heavy as all. Heck, this is great a reminder Islam

1668
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: versus Volkanovski for the lightweight belt. Yeah, you're an Emmett

1669
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: for the vacant featherweight or the interim featherweight title. And

1670
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: Robert Whitaker, Paulo Costa as well. I mean, you know

1671
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: that's yeah.

1672
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 2: Fire me up, okay, fire fire.

1673
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: You can start me up. I'll never stop, all right,

1674
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: stop me up. Uh, let's go to topic four, Luke,

1675
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: it's about uh Alex Pereira, Alex Pereira, Alex Potan, the

1676
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,759
Speaker 1: middleweight champion of the world. Luke, I'm here to talk

1677
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 1: about him, his future and taking stock of the moment,

1678
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,799
Speaker 1: which was the upset, the fifth round knockout of Israel

1679
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: Ata Sonya. Before I go there, though, quick, did you

1680
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: see Izzy what two days after that loss, walk into

1681
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: the MMA Hour studios with Ario Hawane and did you

1682
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: get a chance to hear that interview? Because I saw

1683
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people saying he sounded a bit delusional.

1684
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 1: I went and listened to it, and I didn't think delusional.

1685
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 1: I just think it was somebody who was like, just

1686
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: saw you all know I was winning that fight for five,

1687
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, four and a half rounds until I wasn't.

1688
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: And I know the reason why I wasn't, and it was,

1689
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, those cafkicks. So you can all expect, you know,

1690
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: the same thing in the rematch, only better. I didn't

1691
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: catch delusional from that? Did you check out on you that.

1692
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 2: I did not hear it. I did hear that. People

1693
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 2: also said that he sounded delusional, like that same thing

1694
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 2: came my way. I have not had a chance to

1695
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: review it, but did I Just like when people accuse

1696
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 2: fighters of being delusional, it's like you're accusing them of

1697
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 2: being fighters, Like delusion is the secret ingredient to MMA

1698
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 2: fighting success.

1699
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 1: But separate from that, though, Luke, he fought great up

1700
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: until he lost, right. I didn't like how now he

1701
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: hung in the pocket a lot, But now you know

1702
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: about the CAF strikes in Okay, there you go right?

1703
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 2: Like he was again. He was up thirty nine thirty

1704
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 2: seven on all three judges scorecards heading into the fifth.

1705
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 2: He could have played prevn defense. I mean, I mean,

1706
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 2: I suppose you know, Pereira has a say in this

1707
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 2: as well, but you get the idea like he could

1708
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 2: have just ridden out the round as best he could

1709
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 2: have and he would have fucking won. He would have

1710
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 2: fucking won. So you know, I'm not sure exactly what

1711
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 2: he said. I didn't have a chance to hear it,

1712
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: but I'm skeptical that he was delusional in a concerning

1713
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 2: way delusional, Amma, regular fighter sense.

1714
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably the only thing I didn't love from both

1715
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: him and Ariel, who was you know, he believes in it,

1716
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: so he went ham on it was that they think

1717
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: it was an early stoppage. I get out of Sonya's

1718
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: defense of Mark. Goddard was the same referee who was

1719
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: at two thirty six when he fought Gastolum and didn't

1720
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: stop the fight when Kelvin was getting battered late, you know,

1721
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: like that that he could have let that go, knowing

1722
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: out of Sonya's toughness. But I disagree with both of them. Look,

1723
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: I've watched that tape a million times. Even with the

1724
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: argument of dude, it's a time a fighter, Dude, this

1725
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: guy's historically got a good chant or any of that.

1726
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 1: If you're standing, you're getting lit up, you're not thrown back,

1727
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 1: even though he was somewhat trying to cover up. Dude,

1728
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's a stoppage, you know what

1729
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: I mean. You leave yourself kind of getting hung out

1730
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 1: to dry against a power puncher like that. They're not

1731
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: going to give you a long rope to get out

1732
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: of that. This isn't like Lesnar gets Carwin where he

1733
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: is kind of covering up. I mean it's different.

1734
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I think it was. You know, someone made

1735
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 2: a point that Goddard ref to fight that you love

1736
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 2: between Izzy and Kelvin Gaslam and let it go a

1737
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 2: lot longer, which.

1738
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, is he made that point. I just told you

1739
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: he made that point.

1740
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, I was looking up. So I wanted to

1741
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 2: get to the heart of this fucking point, not to

1742
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: re litigate this, but yes, there's inconsistency between events between

1743
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 2: I know, I know bc BC. This is not even

1744
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 2: what we're supposed to be talking about. I want to

1745
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,480
Speaker 2: talk about some part of this conversation.

1746
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: I make. I make dynamic shows regardless of what's.

1747
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 2: On the rundown. Look, okay, can we get to the

1748
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 2: central part of this.

1749
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: Yes, part of this is Alex Pereida as you new champion,

1750
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:04,600
Speaker 1: and I like the videos of him going back to

1751
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: the gym getting his upgrade on his belt from his

1752
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: coaches for his ground game. But Luke, he's a bad boy,

1753
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: and you know is he can just say, look, I

1754
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 1: know how he got it done. I'll beat him in

1755
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: the rematch. The odds makers may agree with that, but

1756
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: he showed us a ton. Can this guy keep making

1757
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: one to eighty five? I already hear a lot of

1758
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: people talking about him a threat out light heavyweight. What

1759
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: do you think about what the future is going to

1760
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: be like for him as champion?

1761
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 2: Though? Well, the reason we added this to the rundown

1762
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 2: is because I saw a ton of conversations semi related

1763
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 2: to what you're asking. But let's crystallize it here a

1764
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 2: little bit. Which is a buddy of mine is r J. Clifford.

1765
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 2: I think he's a producer for like ESPN. I did

1766
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 2: work with him on Sirius XM radio. He used to

1767
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 2: be a pay.

1768
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: Show with Lori Senko. He's on air producer.

1769
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 2: My guy, r J. Clifford fought and strike for us.

1770
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:53,600
Speaker 2: I think he's a black belt in jiu jitsu, like

1771
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 2: he's legit. Here's what he tweeted and it just caused

1772
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 2: a ton of controversy. Quote and Wou'd love you to

1773
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 2: get your reaction to this. See it's what he says.

1774
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 2: Alex Paeda earned that win over a top three pounds

1775
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 2: per pound izzy Okay, fight was awesome, but make no mistake,

1776
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 2: he writes, Padeda is the worst middleweight champion in UFC. History.

1777
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 2: That's the quote. Now that's a pretty controversial thing to say.

1778
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's I mean.

1779
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 2: Okay, here are all the champions who have ever been

1780
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 2: a champion at middleweight, Dave Manet, Marilla Bustamante, Evan Tanner,

1781
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 2: Rich Franklin, Silva Wideman, rock holdss, being Whittaker, Saint Pierre

1782
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 2: h and then Izzy and then now obviously Alex Padeda. Okay,

1783
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: so is he the worst one of them? I don't

1784
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 2: know that I agree with that, but I will say this.

1785
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 2: I've seen people being like, well, you know, how good Okay,

1786
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 2: he's better than that, and everyone's like, you know, he'll

1787
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 2: he'll be fine, And I'm like, Okay, I don't know

1788
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 2: exactly how good his takedown defense is. I don't We

1789
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 2: don't really know because he hasn't been tested by anybody

1790
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 2: who's got very good takedowns. But be where are you

1791
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 2: on the idea that if they made a fight with Vittori,

1792
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 2: not Whittaker Vitry tomorrow, who would win?

1793
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: Well? The answer is that we don't know, because just

1794
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: because somebody has gotten to the level where they've actually

1795
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: hoisted a championship yet has yet to answer all of

1796
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: the questions about their game, about their ability to go

1797
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: five rounds, about their you know anything, doesn't mean that

1798
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: they didn't maximize their potential and that they're not dangerous

1799
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:35,759
Speaker 1: and impressive, or that their outright the worst middleweight champion

1800
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 1: in history. No, because what Alex showed was incredible poise

1801
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 1: in a lot of these intangible things that can lift

1802
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: you to the championship. We've seen people be more of

1803
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: a slugger than anyone else, and you can go all

1804
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: the way to the championship level like that. But if

1805
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 1: Alex Pereto didn't belong here, first of all, he would

1806
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 1: have gotten exposed along the way, may have got an

1807
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 1: left round and got stopped at a Bruto Silva fight

1808
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: or whatever. Or but look, look Connor McGregor knocking out

1809
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: Josie Aldo didn't answer the ground questions, Luke, but you

1810
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: still knew you had a dynamic force on you. I

1811
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: don't think how. I don't see how anybody could watch

1812
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: that five rounds and come away thinking fluke. I think

1813
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: the Usman Edwards fight, which again is not a fluke,

1814
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: is more fluky than this performance. He had to show

1815
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: a lot in different categories to hang in there. Long

1816
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: enough to be able to find an opening for his

1817
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: A game and deliver that. Okay, is he not as

1818
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,839
Speaker 1: well rounded as everyone else? Well, jes he's an interesting, unique,

1819
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: one time middleweight champion two bizing to some degree is

1820
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,719
Speaker 1: an instant interesting one. Just because his story is different

1821
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 1: from the amount of NMA fights he's had doesn't mean

1822
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 1: like I mean, look, he wasn't dominated on the ground either,

1823
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's still gonna have to answer questions against

1824
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 1: elite foes when it goes against his plan of attack.

1825
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: But he kept Izzy within that plan of attack and

1826
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: had to show everything he had to to even create

1827
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: that opportunit need to finish, but he did so. To me,

1828
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: it's like a stupid conversation. We will find out in

1829
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 1: the subsequent title defenses or fights that he takes against

1830
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 1: the different styles. But I don't you know, I think

1831
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: that type of analysis was reserved for somebody who stumbled

1832
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: into a title and didn't deserve it, or is just

1833
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: so one sided in their style that it's obvious they

1834
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 1: have monster holes everywhere else. I don't know that it's

1835
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 1: obvious he has monster holes everywhere else because we haven't

1836
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:28,839
Speaker 1: seen anybody consistently put him there.

1837
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 2: Right, Who would you say he thought that would give

1838
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 2: you a good indication of his overall groundability?

1839
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: No one yet. But weren't. But weren't they saying that

1840
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 1: about McGregor even after beating a short camp to Chad Mendez. Yeah,

1841
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 1: they were right.

1842
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm not sure if that was exactly the same.

1843
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the point for me is this

1844
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 2: the idea that he is the worst middleweight champion ever,

1845
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 2: I think is a little bit overstated. Fact, I think

1846
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 2: it's very overstated. But I've seen people being like, well,

1847
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 2: you know, because you know, is he didn't have great

1848
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 2: takedown defense? Like why would be any different? First of all,

1849
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 2: is he was way more tested against guys trying to

1850
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,799
Speaker 2: actively take him down at the top of the division.

1851
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 2: Like it's not even comparable, It's not even remotely comparable

1852
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 2: between what is he had to go through and what

1853
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 2: he had to go through. That part is just not

1854
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 2: up for debate. Second of all, and I've been saying

1855
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 2: this for years. I don't know why this is hard

1856
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 2: for people to accept. Is he against the fence, against

1857
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 2: the fence has some of the best takedown defense in

1858
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 2: that division. And we know that because he's proven it

1859
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 2: over and over and over and over again against credentialed opposition.

1860
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 2: Now it is true, It is true that we just

1861
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 2: don't really have a clear answer with Pata, but we

1862
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 2: do know he's much older, he got fast tracked to

1863
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 2: this and the glimpses we have seen where guys tried

1864
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 2: to take him down. He doesn't look great. He doesn't

1865
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 2: look great at all in those respects. So how long

1866
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 2: is he going to hold the title is a different

1867
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 2: question than acknowledging he's got what we think are We

1868
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 2: don't totally know, but we have pretty good reason to

1869
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 2: believe he's got some pretty clear deficiencies in that part

1870
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 2: of the game. And I don't know why acknowledging that

1871
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 2: is like hating on him or hating on kickboxing or

1872
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 2: hating all what he did. I don't get that part.

1873
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 1: There's a difference between acknowledging what we still don't know

1874
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 1: and declaring him as the worst shimp of all time.

1875
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not I'm not agreeing he's the worst.

1876
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not agreeing with you, But I don't

1877
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 2: think dismissing concerns about his lopsided game answer.

1878
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: The true answer is we don't know, and the next

1879
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 1: fights will tell us that. But right now you can't.

1880
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,679
Speaker 1: You can't say you know, because that would.

1881
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 2: Be you can't say, but okay, but that But that

1882
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 2: cuts both ways. If you're gonna tell me you don't know.

1883
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 2: If you're going to tell me if you don't know

1884
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 2: about how poor his grappling is, you cannot also tell

1885
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 2: me how good it is. You have to remain agnostic

1886
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 2: in either directions. I don't think that's the response either.

1887
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 1: The real best answer is we don't know yet. But

1888
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 1: separate from that middle of the road answer, I think

1889
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: it's it's more ridiculous to lean on him just being

1890
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: the worst without having the proof than even trying to

1891
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: go my way of saying, dude, we don't know yet,

1892
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: like get let him, let him know, him show us

1893
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, because the other areas proven to be pretty

1894
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: damn great. I thought is he was just gonna, you know,

1895
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 1: ultimately dance around him and then set them up for

1896
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Speaker 1: the knockout, which, in that type of prediction, you're basically

1897
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: saying that these intangible areas that we haven't seen yet

1898
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: are going to falter him what he's had to show

1899
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: he's got it. Okay, so let's let let's wait till

1900
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Speaker 1: you let's match making.

1901
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 2: Matchmaking is also designed around pageantry as well. And they

1902
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 2: clearly skipped all of the various tests that would have

1903
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:33,600
Speaker 2: given you more of an answer. And they didn't do

1904
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 2: that by accident. They did not do that by accident.

1905
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 2: They did that was an intentional choice that they made

1906
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 2: to go around them. Acknowledging that is not hating. It's

1907
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 2: a fact that happened.

1908
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 1: Again, Acknowledging that is one thing. Declaring somebody the worst.

1909
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:50,679
Speaker 2: Chip Okay, I'm I'm not. I'm not telling you he's.

1910
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Speaker 1: The worst, all right. I mean, you know you're asking

1911
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: me to do one thing when in light of something else. No,

1912
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 1: I can't do that. But I get I think you

1913
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:59,799
Speaker 1: get my point, I get yours. But either way, fuck you, Luke. Okay.

1914
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, all right, that's what

1915
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: it is. Closing point on This is somewhat related to

1916
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:11,679
Speaker 1: a Mark ram Under ESPN story about Hamzat Chimayev who

1917
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 1: tells ESPN that his goal for twenty twenty three that

1918
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: he has already told the UFC is to be the

1919
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: first one to fight for Poeton's middleweight title. He's got

1920
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 1: a date picked out in January for that, and then

1921
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 1: he wants to come back in March to headline a

1922
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 1: pay per view at welcherweight against Colby Covington. Luke, you

1923
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: got any movement on this bold offering? I mean, it's

1924
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: it's not likely, to say the least. But what do

1925
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: you what do you take from this?

1926
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Speaker 2: Anything? I'll take either of them. I mean, would you

1927
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 2: say no to I mean, I guess the one at

1928
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 2: one eighty five doesn't make any sense. I would say

1929
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 2: no in the sense that, like, I don't think that's

1930
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 2: the appropriate first choice or something like that.

1931
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 1: But you know what they should Colby one.

1932
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:58,639
Speaker 2: The Colby one is I just if we don't get

1933
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 2: that fight, that would be a Travis in the UFC

1934
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,919
Speaker 2: can't make them do it, right because they're independent contractors.

1935
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 2: They can decline, they can decline. But I really, really,

1936
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 2: really really hope that's the one we get, because honestly,

1937
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,680
Speaker 2: that's the best test frankly for either of them at

1938
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 2: this stage. Don't wouldn't you agree?

1939
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, that's it. That's what has to happen,

1940
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. Chamaiev Is is interesting though,

1941
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 1: Like I thought he was going back to welterway. I mean,

1942
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 1: I get him wanting to. I thought they were gonna

1943
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: give him a chance to, you know, compete for the title,

1944
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 1: which this Covington fight would be. He's basically saying, I

1945
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 1: want to do it all right now, but you know

1946
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 1: you can't get a reward still. This can't be a

1947
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: reward for missing, wait so badly enforcing the giant snaffu

1948
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 1: in the last card. So look, would it be better

1949
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 1: off if the moment out of Sonya lost? They said this,

1950
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 1: all right, we know we've got Whittaker Costa set for

1951
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 1: February that instead is going to be chamaiev Costa. And hey,

1952
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 1: Robert Whittaker, you have just occurred yourself Alex Pereeda's first

1953
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 1: title defense, whether it's that night or January or whatever,

1954
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: and that is not the better better play right now?

1955
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, So let me think that through Chimaya Costa

1956
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 2: and then Whitaker Pata.

1957
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not bad matchmaking either.

1958
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a great, great set of fights.

1959
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's like you're, you know,

1960
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 2: you're declaring like I don't know how good potatos grappling

1961
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 2: is and then your ass is gonna pick Whitaker ten

1962
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 2: times out of ten, aren't you right? You know what

1963
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, Yeah, you're playing both sides here a

1964
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 2: little bit, Luke.

1965
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 1: I'll I play all sides all time, you know what

1966
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 1: I mean. That's why you can't get a read on

1967
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: me a handle. I'm like a slippery fish, Luke. You

1968
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: know that a wet fish slippery when wet like bon Jovi.

1969
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 1: Those those bitches, now, Luke, bon Jovi definitely got a

1970
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:46,640
Speaker 1: lot of tail and definitely in their biggest commercial crossover

1971
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 1: rock radio hits, they got you not in your head.

1972
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 1: We can't I mean, we can't deny that it happened.

1973
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:53,040
Speaker 1: But do you look back at them as you know

1974
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: them bitches? I mean they're kind of I mean young

1975
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: guns too. Soundtrack is badass, But separate from that, Luke

1976
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: is I'm Bob Joe if you're like, you know, f

1977
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 1: them and then they went country at one point you

1978
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: know it was like pop country too, you know f JBJ.

1979
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I gotta tell you, like I they

1980
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 2: were nothing more than a thing we played at fraternity party.

1981
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 1: So girl, yeah take that like I'd almost I'd almost

1982
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 1: put poison ahead of them because the guitar work is

1983
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:17,679
Speaker 1: so great.

1984
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 2: Luke, I walked out of a Motley Crue concert. It

1985
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 2: was the best things I ever did.

1986
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, I mean Motley Crue they suck. Yeah, I

1987
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 1: mean they. I mean they made great hits, they had

1988
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,759
Speaker 1: a great image. But I think they've been historically musically

1989
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: overrated to a to a large degree. I know I'll

1990
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 1: get some heat for that. You will too, but you

1991
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:36,639
Speaker 1: don't care about it. That's a difference because you're willing

1992
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,759
Speaker 1: to take your wife to a cannibal corpse show.

1993
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 2: She liked it, all right, She liked it all right.

1994
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 1: Hey, people have their things. Hey, some people. For topic five,

1995
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:48,839
Speaker 1: lucre into this. BKFC is back this weekend. I got no.

1996
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 2: No one loves I swear to god, No one loves

1997
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 2: BKFC more to MMA media than you. You're number one.

1998
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 1: No, it's because I work with Brent Brookhouse, who has

1999
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 1: his eye on more. He's like he is the gas

2000
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 1: station combat guy. He is the like he lives for

2001
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 1: this type of stuff. Luke, you into that? No, No,

2002
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 1: all right, we are gonna have I'm trying to look

2003
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 1: up while let me look up the the location and

2004
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 1: the card number. But you can't tell me you don't

2005
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:17,799
Speaker 1: care about this Omaha, Nebraska Anthony Smith, who you'll see,

2006
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 1: you'll see Tuesday on Room Service Diary. So get ready

2007
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 1: for that BKFC thirty three, your main event, Joey Beltron

2008
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: versus Houston Alexander Luke. You can't tell me you don't

2009
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 1: have like a morsel of a care to see this

2010
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 1: train wreck happen.

2011
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 2: I'll watch the results on Instagram when they get posted

2012
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 2: or something, you know.

2013
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a cruiserweight about So. I think you.

2014
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 2: Sty the way from Nebraska, I believe. So that's a

2015
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 2: bit of a homecoming for him. Yep.

2016
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 1: Do you think he took the money against Kimbo?

2017
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 2: I don't. I think you're underrating Kimbo big time, or

2018
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 2: that I should say that version of him.

2019
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 1: Those were big slams. But I didn't like how defensive

2020
01:36:57,240 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: Houston was. I mean, go after that chin, right.

2021
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,719
Speaker 2: That was the move against Kimba. You know he didn't

2022
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 2: have an iron chin, right, I mean.

2023
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 1: After the jab, the damn pink guy jabbed him to death.

2024
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 1: Luke was a perfect jab. But come on, who did

2025
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 1: Seth Petrozzelli the silver back? Yeah? All right, nobody else

2026
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:20,639
Speaker 1: on this card has given me a lot of movement, Luke,

2027
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Oh, Dakota Cochran's taken on Robbie Peralta, So

2028
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 1: there's that, all right. That's probably the only thing you're

2029
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 1: going to get for names on there, Luke. It's the

2030
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: holiday season, right so you know, whooped, he whoop, dippit

2031
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 1: eat up, you know what I'm saying. But it's also

2032
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 1: a wonderful time of the year, one that can also

2033
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Speaker 1: be the most tectic time of the year. And if

2034
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Speaker 1: you're anything like me, Luke Thomas, you put off shopping

2035
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Speaker 1: until the extreme last minute, when suddenly you're willing to

2036
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: pay overnight costs like it was never a thing, you know.

2037
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 2: B See, if you have an online store, you know

2038
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Speaker 2: the feeling of getting hit with a ton of orders

2039
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Speaker 2: at once. When you're buried in orders and emails from

2040
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Speaker 2: rest customers, you'll wish you had ship station.

2041
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Speaker 1: You're talking about ship station right there, Luke. That's right,

2042
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2043
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2044
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Speaker 1: time for a little bit of that those eggnog gummies. Look,

2045
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Speaker 1: if you know what I'm talking about.

2046
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Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about. And now, as we

2047
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Speaker 2: all know, the holidays can be very stressful, but using

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2049
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2050
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Luke, I agree with you, And it's better ship

2054
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Speaker 1: all them bitches.

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Speaker 1: All right, Luke Thomas. We close by giving the people

2082
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 1: a chance to, you know, come at us, but you

2083
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Speaker 1: better come original. Morningcombat at gmail dot com is your

2084
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Speaker 1: email home. If there's something we said that's incorrect and sensitive, ridiculous,

2085
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 1: or maybe you just want to roast us, well, you

2086
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Speaker 1: better have receipts when you bring it, because it takes

2087
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 1: a lot for me to admit that I was dead

2088
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 1: wrong bitch. All right, Luke, we start off here. We

2089
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 1: only have a couple of them. Wow, we had a

2090
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 1: good week, all right. This is from at el hefe

2091
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 1: not Jeffy. At the one hour, twenty one minute and

2092
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 1: forty two second mark of episode three seventy four, that

2093
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 1: filthy casual BC, when referencing his favorite Rumble moments, stated

2094
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 1: my favorite fighter not out is every fight at one

2095
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 1: forty seven as his boxing brain incorrectly used the boxing

2096
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 1: well throughweight limit as opposed to the MMA limit of

2097
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,240
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy pounds. Yes, this is pedantic as hell,

2098
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: but I was searching for something to say was dead wrong,

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Speaker 1: just as a hack to say that. I really wanted

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Speaker 1: to request an immemorium resume review of Rumble. So imagine

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Speaker 1: my delight when the Man of the people, the American

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Speaker 1: Alpha himself b C with the BDE, stated that he

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Speaker 1: would also like to do that. I really hope that

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Speaker 1: the project sees the light of day. Condolences to MK

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Speaker 1: contributor Rashad Evans, as the two seemed very close if

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Speaker 1: he was up for it would be amazing if Rashad

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Speaker 1: could say a few words to open the resume review. Damn,

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Speaker 1: this guy's calling his shot on something that. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: was dead wrong on Luke your thoughts on putting rumble

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Speaker 1: up in that up on that chair.

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Speaker 2: I would love to do it, would love to do it, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I would want to do it the right way,

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Speaker 2: like they're talking about. I would love to do it

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Speaker 2: with Rashad because I just feel like we would be

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Speaker 2: missing some things without it. But I'm sure we would be.

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Speaker 1: But we be missing ayahuasca at any point hanging out

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Speaker 1: with Rashad.

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Speaker 2: Probably some toads to be looking. But in general, yeah,

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Speaker 2: if we can make that happen. Believe me, we've talked

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Speaker 2: about it behind the scenes. It's not clear opportunity yet

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Speaker 2: to do it, but if we get one, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 1: That's good news, good news from the people.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 1: Also Taylor hitting us up with a dead wrong saying.

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Speaker 1: On Wednesday, November sixteenth, at one hour forty two and

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Speaker 1: eight seconds, Luke states that Gilbert Burns has a huge

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Speaker 1: name coming off of that. Homzat Win Bro. Did you

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01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 1: forget to take your ag one, you dumbass lifting weights

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Speaker 1: in the front yard, bastard. Gilbert Burns certainly did not.

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Speaker 2: Be Does anyone think that I think that he beat

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Speaker 2: Hams on or did I just misspeak.

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Speaker 1: Fucking well, I gotta go deadlift with straps on, so

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to you later. Ps not the type of

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Speaker 1: straps on that BC is imagining. FET's fair point. Taylor

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Speaker 1: from Idaho and no, I don't grow potatoes, so don't

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Speaker 1: even try. Wow, that's it.

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Speaker 2: Don't lie, motherfucker.

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Speaker 1: That is a hell of an offering there from Taylor. Wow,

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01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 1: are you impressed by his performance? Like?

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Speaker 2: They come? They do, they come. They talk a lot

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Speaker 2: of shit of when the dead wrongs, don't they.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah they do. I mean people are just trying

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Speaker 1: to find any reason that they can create.

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01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 2: It, not just that it's not like I found this

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01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:22,559
Speaker 2: time when you said it was actually one hundred and

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01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 2: seventy pounds at the ways it was one hundred and seventy one. Well,

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01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 2: they don't do that. They go, Yo, you fucking child molester.

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01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:30,679
Speaker 2: Look what you fucking did? You know? I'm like, whoa,

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Speaker 2: I just fucking.

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Speaker 1: You washed ash piece shit. I mean, they're all like

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Speaker 1: Stone called.

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01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 2: Steve family doesn't love you. True, But that's a different story, motherfucker,

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01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 2: a different story.

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01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:45,639
Speaker 1: Wow. You know, I think it is Luke. I think

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01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 1: we have ramped up the intensity of this Donk of

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01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 1: the year battle its election season right now for us,

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01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 1: it's coming up on it, and these people are I mean,

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01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, these guys are getting canceled left and right

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01:43:57,960 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: by Mikey. He's like, we can't run this fans up.

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01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 1: This is like ridiculous against women and every other category.

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01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? People? Look, we've got them too.

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01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 1: We've created a monster. We've got them too jacked up

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01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 1: to try and now they're jacking off. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: do we do? How do we fix this?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think we've created a monster.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, all right, thank you very much. That's our show.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I want to say today I think

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Speaker 2: you called yourself having BD and BBC, which I have

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Speaker 2: to tell you is a.

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Speaker 1: Little more, a little much fair to be fair, I

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Speaker 1: haven't had the ladder to be fair though I hear

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Speaker 1: you do. Never go back though, Just the same. All right,

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Speaker 1: Thank you to all of our sponsors, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for you listeners who are so angry that we started

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Speaker 1: the show with like eight minutes of commercials. Look, that's

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Speaker 1: ballsy on us, right, but we pulled it off.

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Speaker 2: We learn that they don't they don't tell us, so

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Speaker 2: then like when the stow shot the show starts, he's like,

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Speaker 2: all right, we got two and a half minutes of

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Speaker 2: commercials just so we know, like you know, when you

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Speaker 2: get ready today, they're like, yo, we got ten and

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Speaker 2: a half hour commercials. Like what you know? When?

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Speaker 1: At what point is the show? Because like even you know,

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01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 1: it used to be a Triple A Baseball thing, but

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01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:10,920
Speaker 1: now obviously Major League Baseball has like full on advertisements

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Speaker 1: on the fence behind them you can always see it.

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01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 1: At what point is the video screen behind us in

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01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 1: the bomb shelter just gonna be straight?

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01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 2: Like nah, we're gonna get like those fake golden palace

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Speaker 2: tattoos on our foreheads. Yo?

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Speaker 1: Do you what if what if what a showtime was?

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Speaker 1: Like we normally would not you know, clear you at

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Speaker 1: all to show your d on the air. But what

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Speaker 1: if you put the gold the golden pipe tattoo right

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Speaker 1: on the right on the only pipe, Luke, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I mean it's you know, and they give you

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Speaker 1: money you can't refuse, Luke. Damn, that's a conundrum, right,

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Speaker 1: it certainly is. Yeah, wow, all right, this could be

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Speaker 1: our last show. Thank you to our team, our amazing staff,

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Speaker 1: all the companies that put money in our pockets, all

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Speaker 1: of our great sponsors. Reminder showtime dot com get your

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Speaker 1: Corey Anderson adem nem call for one million dollars tonight

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Speaker 1: and the potential rise of Husman nor Maga Madoff. Let's

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Speaker 1: see if patriarchy can end that nine pm Eastern showtime

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Speaker 1: Bellatoor two eighty eight. Don't miss it? Why not? Why

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Speaker 1: not just get thirty days free? All right, you've been

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Speaker 1: you've been streaming long enough, now stop being greedy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there you go. That's it. Yes. I also wanted to

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Speaker 1: say Luke that if you're watching the fights tonight and

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01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 1: you see somebody coming on, why don't you hit that

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01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: hashtag Hammer of the Month or you know, holy hammer.

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01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,639
Speaker 1: If you got it, go at money Lion on Twitter,

2215
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 1: at money Lion Inc. On Instagram. Let everyone know who

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01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 1: deserves to get recognition, who deserves to hold that hammer

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Speaker 1: at the end of the month.

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01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, to send it to him.

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01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: Remember when mc hammer was like uh uh when he

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01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 1: got you know, he had he was like out of ideas,

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01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:52,759
Speaker 1: so he did the pumps and the bumps like gangster

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Speaker 1: video and he.

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01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 2: Had liked a hog just the size of Texas. It

2224
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 2: is banana hammock, dungarees.

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01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 1: He got out the I mean, he was just Luke.

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01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 1: He was fought that ship.

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01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:07,600
Speaker 2: Two of these were in his pants.

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01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 1: Wow. That was a long, long, long move from prey,

2229
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:15,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that was a long journey.

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01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:17,799
Speaker 2: It was like this was in his underwear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, wow, yeah we did. We had liftoff. Yeah wow, okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was like the McGregor Mayweather weigh in

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01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:29,799
Speaker 1: and except it took over the whole screen.

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Speaker 2: Luke. It was he could have used that thing as

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Speaker 2: a hammer that day, you know.

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Speaker 1: What I mean, Yeah, he could have. And I don't

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01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 1: want to touch this, Luke, but when you're that close,

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01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:39,680
Speaker 1: you can't avoid it. It's like get that away, you know.

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Speaker 1: All right, enough of that absolute bullshit. Anything else, Luke

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Speaker 1: not to know.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be on CBS Sports HQ today to preview

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01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 2: the main card, and then right after, right after the

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01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 2: beltour's over, you can catch me on CBS Sports HQ

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01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:55,439
Speaker 2: to give a bit of a recap. Should be fun.

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01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:59,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there too, just so you know, great, okay, good, yeah, yeah,

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01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: Well we'll hang out together. All right. That's the show.

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Speaker 1: If you're a listener, thank you like and subscribe all

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Speaker 1: on the Morningcombat dot Store. Oh yeah, look, let's close

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Speaker 1: with that. New merch is available. But here's the reminder

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Speaker 1: What are you gonna get a free gift? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: after you. We want to be on your head. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So these new hats look they're fantastic, they're great.

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Speaker 2: You got to get one. I don't have one. Actually

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Speaker 2: I need to get one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought you missed a moment not wearing

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01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 1: that Chuck mindenhall hat Luke, when him and I both

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Speaker 1: had it on on that I.

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Speaker 2: Wore it to uh to drop my daughter off at

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Speaker 2: school today.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right? That was yeah, that was age

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01:49:07,439 --> 01:49:09,920
Speaker 1: appropriate to what you're you're showing these days. But Luke,

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Speaker 1: I'm one. I mean, what if you just trimmed the

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Speaker 1: beard down tight and then dyed everything silver. That could

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01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: be like a reinvention, like Luke two point zero? What

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01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 1: do you think about that? So head so like my

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01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 1: hair too, or like yeah, your hair and entire beard

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01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 1: would be the same color. It would be like this,

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01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:32,599
Speaker 1: like you know, very professional and poised like silver.

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01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:35,519
Speaker 2: I would just turn into Tim Allen in the Santa Claus.

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01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:36,120
Speaker 2: Fuck all that?

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01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 1: All right, there you have it. Thank you to our

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01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:42,880
Speaker 1: great team. Uh put your put your put your mental

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01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:45,639
Speaker 1: health first, guys, take care of yourselves. Enjoy the weekend,

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Speaker 1: bellowtor tonight loaded CBS Sports, I mean fadal on CBS

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Speaker 1: February fourth, What a time to be alive. Tanking Rye guy,

2289
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 1: thank you for making that fight for Luke Thomas's BC

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Speaker 1: way out of here. That's it. We're out cut it out, yeah,