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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: A gorgeous young mom goes missing, never seen again, coincidentally

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Speaker 2: on New Year's Day. In the last hours in the

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Speaker 2: search for Anna Walsh, a bone fragment emerges, not just

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Speaker 2: a bone fragment, but the location of the bone fragment

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Speaker 2: on a hacksaw, as we learn about the surreptitious hiring

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Speaker 2: of a private investigators, as rumors swirl that Anna Walsh

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Speaker 2: was having a sex affair, So what she gets the

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Speaker 2: death penalty?

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Speaker 3: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 2: and Serious xem one eleven.

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Speaker 3: It's not just a bone fragment.

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Speaker 2: A bone fragment, believe it or not, can be found

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Speaker 2: under innocent circumstances, but a bone fragment on a hack

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Speaker 2: saw as a whole another thing. Take a listen to

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Speaker 2: our friends at NBC ten.

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Speaker 4: He was also captured visiting dumpsters at apartment complexes. By

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Speaker 4: the time detectives searched them, most of them had been

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Speaker 4: emptied and the contents incinerated. But in Swampscott investigators found

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Speaker 4: a number of items belonging to Anna, as well as

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Speaker 4: some of the items mister Walsh had purchased.

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Speaker 5: The hacksaw that was had red brown staining in several areas.

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Speaker 5: When it was disassembled, a small fragment of bone was recovered.

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Speaker 5: The time ex suit had a red brown stain on

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Speaker 5: the exterior. The stain was tested and Anna Walsh DNA

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Speaker 5: was determined to be a contributor.

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Speaker 4: Brian Walsh's defense attorney claims evidence testing so far has

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Speaker 4: been inconclusive.

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Speaker 3: Well, you can't rule them out, okay.

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Speaker 2: If that bone fragment cannot be matched up to Anna Walch.

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Speaker 2: If in fact the testing is inconclusive, then that means

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Speaker 2: absolutely nothing in a court of law. You've got to

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Speaker 2: get that DNA match up if it's possible, with me

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Speaker 2: an all star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 2: know right now. But first, I'm going to go out

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Speaker 2: to forensic pathologist, medical examiner, and lucky for US detective author,

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Speaker 2: a homicide investigation field guide. She became a household name

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Speaker 2: during the Alex Murdin prosecution, doctor Michelle Duprie joining us.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Dupree, thank you for being with us. Before we

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Speaker 2: go to the breaking news reporter for The Washington Examiner,

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Speaker 2: Rachel Shilkey, Doctor Duprie there's a lot of evidence found

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Speaker 2: all over crime scenes and beyond. I remember sifting through

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Speaker 2: evidence on a playground when I was prosecuting my first

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Speaker 2: mass murder and I found, believe or not, on the playground,

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Speaker 2: specifically around the Merry Go Round, a lot of ballistics evidence,

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Speaker 2: and I was thrilled that I had caught something, found

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Speaker 2: something that the cops had missed.

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Speaker 3: Well, I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I found bullets and cartridges, but they didn't match up

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Speaker 2: to the known murder weapon.

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Speaker 3: They were in no way connected to my case.

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Speaker 2: So you find a bone fragment and a dumpster, that

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Speaker 2: means nothing to me unless you can match it up

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Speaker 2: to my case, right or wrong.

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Speaker 6: That's right, Nancy. I mean you have to have something

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Speaker 6: that tracks that piece of evidence back to the case

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Speaker 6: that you're investigating. And if you don't have it, then

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Speaker 6: you really don't have that as part of your case.

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Speaker 6: So hopefully there will be something that will tie that

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Speaker 6: bone fragment to the case, whether it's DNA, whether it's

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Speaker 6: something like that, that would be great.

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Speaker 2: I'm challenging everybody on the panel an innocent way of

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Speaker 2: finding a bone fragment, Okay, Dodger in DPRI another case,

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Speaker 2: I was investigating another homicide, was in a bar and

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Speaker 2: teeth were found. Well, I know this sounds crazy, but

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Speaker 2: I was thrilled because I thought it was going to

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Speaker 2: be the teeth of my murder victim. Well it wasn't. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: somebody else had been in a bar brawl and got a.

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Speaker 3: Tooth knocked out. So an innocent in other words, not

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Speaker 3: part of a murder case.

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Speaker 2: Piece of evidence that you would think is tied to

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Speaker 2: your case, and it's not. What is any innocent explanation

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Speaker 2: a non nefarious explanation for a bone fragment being found

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Speaker 3: That's to you, daughter dupre Nancy.

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Speaker 6: There could be many, many, many reasons. I mean, it

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Speaker 6: could be an ammal bone, It could be a bone

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Speaker 6: from somebody at a butcher shop. It could be where

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Speaker 6: someone accidentally cut their finger and part of the bone

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Speaker 6: as well. There can be so many different explanations. And

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Speaker 6: if it's in a dumpster, can you imagine the contamination?

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Speaker 6: How do you narrow all of that down to just

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Speaker 6: your victim and your crime?

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Speaker 2: Doctor, Michelle Dupree, isn't it true that even when DNA

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Speaker 2: is contaminated, you can steal in some cases, isolate the

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Speaker 3: I mean, you've got.

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Speaker 2: Bodies that have been that are decomposing in water, underwater,

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Speaker 2: in mud, in a rape cases, you've got multiple sperm

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Speaker 3: I mean, none of these are pretty pictures.

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Speaker 2: But my point is DNA's contaminated all the time, but

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Speaker 2: in many cases it can be isolated the contaminant and

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Speaker 2: the relevant DNA.

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Speaker 6: Yes, No, absolutely, Nancy. And all we have to do

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Speaker 6: is show that part of that DNA is from the

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Speaker 6: person that we need it to be from. In this case,

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Speaker 6: our victim.

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Speaker 2: That said, let's not put the cart before the horse,

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Speaker 2: let me go to breaking these investigative reporter with the

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Speaker 2: Washington Examiner, Rachel Shelkey, it's a real pleasure you want.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us today without any further ado.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen, of course you have the picture of

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Speaker 2: the dumpster.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's a phenomena, and I can't wait to hear

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Speaker 2: everybody else in the panelway in I'm sure doctor Bethany

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Speaker 2: Marshall Payco analyst out of Beverly.

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Speaker 3: Hills, where they have so many problems where a to

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Speaker 2: You know, how Rachel Shulkey, A certain fact of a

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Speaker 2: case can just put your stomach in a knot, and

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Speaker 2: it may not be the evidence that you would guess.

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Speaker 2: For instance, in my first carjack murder case, I saw this.

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Speaker 3: Young man's body.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Rachel, he was I think my victim

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Speaker 2: was seventeen. He lived at home with his parents. He's

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Speaker 2: an honor student. He came outside to get something out

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Speaker 2: my victim in that case, I mean, and okay, there

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Speaker 2: was the autopsy, there was the crime scene, there was

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Speaker 2: the blood, there was the family just in complete and

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Speaker 2: utter pain.

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Speaker 3: But this is what got me, Rachel, she'll key.

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Speaker 2: The next door neighbor heard a shot, ran outside, saw

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Speaker 2: the neighbor boy. I mean, he's seventeen, practically a man,

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Speaker 3: He was dead or dying at that moment. He was dead.

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Speaker 2: But that act of trying to comfort the dead teen

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Speaker 2: boy I remember. I'm still remembering it. The pathos of

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Speaker 2: that moment. That's what's what got me. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: can look dead bodies all day and all night long,

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Speaker 2: no problem. But two Anna Walsh. This dumpster. Police found

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Speaker 2: a slew of evidence regarding Anna Walsh's body, and the

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Speaker 2: photo I'm looking at I found at the New York Post,

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Speaker 2: but I'm sure it's the crime scene photo. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this woman, Rachel Sheilkee, is so glamourus, so beautiful, this

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Speaker 2: great mom to three.

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Speaker 3: Little boys, ages two, four, and six.

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Speaker 2: And this is her parting photo, this crammed, full, nasty

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Speaker 2: dumpster inside a chain link fence.

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Speaker 3: It's just upsetting Rachel.

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Speaker 7: It really is, and I think it also is probably

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Speaker 7: just upsetting for her family and friends who maybe thought

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Speaker 7: that she was actually going to come home and the

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Speaker 7: fact that they had this beautiful light in their lives

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Speaker 7: that represented so much to them, and then for them

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Speaker 7: to find out that not only do they not know

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Speaker 7: where her body is, but the only testament to this

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Speaker 7: case at this moment where her almost quote unquote I

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Speaker 7: guess last resting place is this dumpster just doesn't seem

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Speaker 7: to do her justice.

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Speaker 2: To anybody, Guys, if you don't recognize Rachel Shilkey's voice,

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Speaker 2: let me tell you she is a lead breaking news

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter for the Washington examin Her Rachel tell me

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Speaker 2: about the bone fragment found on a hack saw as

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Speaker 2: I understand it, in this dumpster.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's kind of incredible the fact that you know,

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Speaker 7: video evidence showed him, Brian Walsh, going to the store

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Speaker 7: buying all these supplies, and to then see these supplies

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Speaker 7: transfer into a dumpster, to have possibly blood and a

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Speaker 7: possible bone fragment belonging to his wife on this tack saw.

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Speaker 7: Just to see it, I think in front of you.

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Speaker 7: I'm not an investigator, but to have an investigator see

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Speaker 7: that and to recognize, okay, yes, this is a probably

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Speaker 7: going to be a murder investigations. It must be incredibly

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Speaker 7: terrible to be a part of that and to have

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Speaker 7: to see that. And I just there's so many layers

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Speaker 7: to this case, and I think the fact that you

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Speaker 7: can transfer the video evidence directly to the hacksaw. Most

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Speaker 7: likely there's other parts of this case that I'm sure

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Speaker 7: are going to come out, but the fact that there

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Speaker 7: is this bone fragment that you know, I think most

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Speaker 7: people would want to speculate belongs to Anna Walsh.

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Speaker 8: Can you say that for sure?

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Speaker 7: No, not yet. But like the doctor was saying, if

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Speaker 7: this is something that ends up being a DNA master,

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Speaker 7: I think it can make this case go amazingly in

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Speaker 7: the prosecutor's favor and drastically downhill for Brian Walsh.

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Speaker 2: You know you said something really interesting, Rachel Shulke. Don't

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Speaker 2: sell yourself short, because I'm very familiar with your work,

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Speaker 2: you said, and I'm not an investigator. Well, you are

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Speaker 2: an investigator reporter, and I would venture to guess you're

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Speaker 2: a better investigator than a lot of investigators I've seen.

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Speaker 3: He would drid buy this and go what what?

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Speaker 2: That's an ump stir and it would mean nothing to them,

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Speaker 2: But it means something to you, just like a piece

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Speaker 2: of evidence out of place, like a bone fragment.

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Speaker 3: Sure you heard doctor Michelle Duprey.

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Speaker 2: I knew to go to her because she can tell

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Speaker 2: you any circumstances where a bone fragment is found somewhere innocently.

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Speaker 2: And I use Lacy Peterson so often because there's so

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Speaker 2: like not just stuck to it, like you know, a

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Speaker 2: It's not just out. It's not on her brush, it's

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Speaker 3: It's side of place. Or here's another good one.

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Speaker 2: Jessica Garth Kelly Anthony, her mother top Mom Casey Anthony

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, And you're talking about evidence a place, and really

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Speaker 9: to rely on circumstantial evidence. Every little piece of evidence helps.

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Speaker 9: So when you have a hacksaw right after your prime

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Speaker 2: You said that so beautifully Jessica Garth. Okay, everybody, you

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Speaker 2: better sit down. In fact, you may need to lay

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Speaker 2: down for this. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us. Renowned psychoanalyst

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Speaker 2: out of Beverly Hills. You can find her at doctor

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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall dot com. Star of a Netflix hit, Bling Empire.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, let me work up to this. Everybody pays

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Speaker 2: jump in when you have an idea, Doctor Bethany. I

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Speaker 2: will never forget before David and I got married, I was,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know more about it, but the emails are

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Speaker 2: I just got back from buying a chainsaw. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: Forget about the trees. They don't matter.

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Speaker 2: So I still remember him going finding out he went

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Speaker 2: his thing. Yes, he can do home repairs and all that.

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Speaker 2: But leads me to Brian Walsh, out of the blue

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Speaker 2: David went and did get a hacksaw. Why because helping

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Speaker 2: that's not the kind of thing he would do on

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Speaker 3: He's not a contractor.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't build things typically, So out of the blue

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Speaker 2: he did. But Bethany, if I hear I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: buy a hack saw, Like, why why do you need

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Speaker 3: Help me?

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Speaker 2: Help me figure out what I'm trying to say here,

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Speaker 8: Okay, so not only the hacksaw, but when you look

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Speaker 8: so much product in that part. And Nancy, he looks

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Speaker 8: so nonchalant, as if he doesn't know that there are

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Speaker 8: back to something you said about evidence like Lacy Peterson's

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Speaker 8: hair being entwined impliers on Scott's boat, about Kaylee Anthony's

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Speaker 8: how this is so out of place. But from a

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Speaker 8: because what ties all of these circumstances together is that

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Speaker 8: We know that most children who are murdered are discovered

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Speaker 8: We know that criminals often camp out at their mother's homes,

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Speaker 8: violence perspective that this is where the homicidal, murderous thoughts

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Speaker 8: I'm going to slap duct tape.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to shove in the trunk of my car.

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Speaker 8: I'm pissed because I think my wife's having an affair.

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Speaker 8: She has this huge life insurance policy. I want it

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Speaker 8: all for myself. I'm sitting at my mother's kitchen table,

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Speaker 8: the proximity of the evidence to where these purps live, work,

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Speaker 2: I'm just making note somewhat you're saying, doctor Bethany, I

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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany, you bring up so many incredible points and

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Speaker 3: The bone fragment and what it means and what we can.

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Speaker 2: Extrapolate evidentiarily from that, And that is exactly how you

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Speaker 3: Isn't that true? Jessica? Absolutely true?

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Speaker 9: And you also look at the evidence and you think,

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Speaker 9: when you're asking what are some you know, non nefarious

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Speaker 9: Certainly as a prosecutor, you're considering those explanations that you

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Speaker 2: You know, Rachel, she'll keep joining us investigative news reporter

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Speaker 3: When we first spoke to her today, she was talking

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Speaker 2: You are so right, Rachel, because think about it, whenever

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Speaker 2: are you so worry? Just go over to his mother's

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Speaker 2: Now that's where he is. He's in mommy's because mommy

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Speaker 2: He goes to his mother's I mean it's not hers personally,

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Speaker 2: but that's the dumpster she uses, her apartment building, her

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Speaker 3: He goes to mommy's house to get rid of the evidence.

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Speaker 2: That's a whole psychological bundle for me to figure out

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Speaker 2: right there, that he's so connected to the mommy gets

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Speaker 3: He tells the mama.

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Speaker 2: She's sleeping around, she's such a big or let's hire

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's very I remember when I was first reporting

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Speaker 7: He was caught on camera buying supplies. Those supplies were

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what I was going to ask you, Rachel.

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Speaker 2: He's caught on camera buying supplies. And I'm going to

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Speaker 2: of police, about don't they know their surveillance video Hello

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Speaker 3: If you could refresh our recollections.

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Speaker 7: The blade knife was found in their home, the hack

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Speaker 7: he didn't exactly hide it.

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Speaker 3: Very well, and he wouldn't be the first.

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Speaker 2: Does the name Fotus DilOS ring a bell, because it

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Speaker 2: sure does to me. His wife, Jennifer's body still missing,

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Speaker 2: She's the bills above to his satan. Guys, take a

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Speaker 10: The arrest Warren sheds a lot of light on how

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Speaker 10: authorities ultimately moved to charge him with kidnapping and felony murder.

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Speaker 10: Today physical evidence were covered along Albany Avenue was a

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Speaker 10: big factor in the police investigation over the summer. You'll remember,

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Speaker 2: Well, can I just say a very technical legal term, idiot?

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Speaker 2: And he's not the only one. What about Bo Rothwell,

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget that name. Take listen to KMOV.

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Speaker 11: The husband Bo was seen on the eleventh, the day

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Speaker 11: before Jennifer disappeared. He was seen on video buying cleaning

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Speaker 11: products including bleach, carpet cleaner, and gloves. So last night

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Speaker 11: we were there as police obtained that search warrn and

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Speaker 11: went into the couple's home on North Winds Drive. They

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Speaker 11: were in there for hours and they're now telling us

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Speaker 11: the detective located wet carpet soaked with bleach and large

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Speaker 11: areas of blood on the carpeting.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, if David Lynch ever goes to Walmart

446
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Speaker 2: Lowe's home depot target and buys a bunch of cleaning supplies.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, call me right then, because he's up to

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Speaker 2: something that has never happened in life, you know. Lisa

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Speaker 2: Daddio form a police chief, forming Deputy chief of police, Lisa,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: These people are not idiots.

452
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Speaker 2: Photus Delos built multimillion dollar luxury homes. Brian Walsh was

453
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Speaker 2: an art dealer and collector that moved in rarefied circles.

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Speaker 2: Don't they see that video camera up there? Do they

455
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Speaker 2: think they're immune? Haven't you seen this a million times?

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Speaker 12: So yeah, we have, And I think what happens is,

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Speaker 12: you know, dumpsters behind an apartment building, for example, Brian's

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Speaker 12: probably not thinking that that area is under video surveillance. Yes,

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Speaker 12: maybe other places you know around the building are or

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Speaker 12: ring cameras, you know, from his home going to other

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Speaker 12: places we know because that came up and to do

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Speaker 12: those cases as well. But yet I don't think necessarily

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Speaker 12: what he's doing regarding the dumpsters, he's thinking that there's

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Speaker 12: any video footage back there. Now regarding the store purchases,

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Speaker 12: come on, everybody knows everything you do there is under

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Speaker 12: video surveillance from the minute you're you pull into the

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Speaker 12: parking lot, so you walk in the store. As you

468
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Speaker 12: move throughout the store at the cast registers, you know,

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Speaker 12: is he trying to kind of hide his parents by

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Speaker 12: wearing a mask in January to you know that you

471
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Speaker 12: only see the top part of his hat, you know,

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Speaker 12: hit his head. Is he wearing a mask any other

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Speaker 12: time or is it only when he's going to these stores?

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Speaker 12: I mean, it all becomes circumstantials, but it helps the investigators.

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Speaker 2: And there's a method to it. Four cops lasidadio. I mean,

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Speaker 2: here's a good example. Think about Ryan Coberger. Sorry to

477
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Speaker 2: bring up that specter, but when cops were looking for

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Speaker 2: the vehicle the PRIP would have used, they looked on

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Speaker 2: that block, then they moved out, Then they moved out,

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Speaker 2: then they moved out until they spot the Elantra. And

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Speaker 2: we're going to see more about that Elantra on video.

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Speaker 2: Here's a good example. I prosecuted a guy for murdering

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Speaker 2: his wife by arson, and of course he clubbed her first.

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Speaker 2: But I went to the site, of course, to the

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Speaker 2: scene and was looking around, like where are all of

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Speaker 2: his clothes? Where are his suits? This guy has a

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Speaker 2: million dollar business. Where are his suits? So I turned

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Speaker 2: to my investigator and said, let's get busy. Let's go

489
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Speaker 2: to every dry cleaner. Let's start on this block and

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Speaker 2: then go out, and then go out, and less than

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Speaker 2: two miles away, the day before he sets house on fire,

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Speaker 2: we found like twenty plus suits and shirts at a

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Speaker 2: dry cleaner. I mean really, So that's how you find

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Speaker 2: the location. You don't know if it's lows or home

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Speaker 2: depot unless you can get the credit card information, but

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Speaker 2: you just move out and move out, and then you

497
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Speaker 2: hit a treasure trove.

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Speaker 3: Bam, right, Lisa Daddio.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, Nancy. You know something that hasn't come up yet

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Speaker 12: that we can't obviously discount.

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Speaker 6: It's his cell phone.

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Speaker 12: Oh yeah, Brian's cell phone, and we're with hitting off

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Speaker 12: of towers and the forensic digital information that you can

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Speaker 12: get from that cell phone, you know, the day of

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Speaker 12: the days after that, are going to help you.

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Speaker 2: The movement's like again that they created where here's a

507
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Speaker 2: map of his movements on Brian Coberg and it's amazing.

508
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Speaker 2: And they did the same thing with photos duos through

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Speaker 2: ring doorbell surveillance video doorbell security cams that businesses, even

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Speaker 2: bus bus video. Here is the salacious tidbit. I've kind

511
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Speaker 2: of been putting it off, but let's just get it

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Speaker 2: out there. Take a listen to our cut forty eight

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Speaker 2: our friends at wb Z.

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Speaker 5: December of twenty twenty two, it had become evident that

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Speaker 5: mister Walsh was suspecting his wife of having an affair.

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Speaker 2: His mother did hire a private investigator shortly in the

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Speaker 2: four New Years that year.

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Speaker 3: She told mister Walsh that she was doing that.

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Speaker 2: He said she was crazy on a good girl, but

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Speaker 2: go ahead and she'll be really wrong.

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Speaker 1: Prosecutors then went through the timeline from when Anna Walsh

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Speaker 1: was last seen, so when they say Brian first reported

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Speaker 1: her missing, So.

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Speaker 2: Of course he claims she's crazy, you know. Rachel Shulkey

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Speaker 2: joining us from the Washington Examiner, I wanted to take

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Speaker 2: a listen to our cut fifty four our friends at

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Speaker 2: Boston twenty five as well.

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Speaker 13: This grizzly case has made headlines all across the country.

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Speaker 13: At this arraignment, Prosecutor Greg Connor's statement of the case

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Speaker 13: revealed on a Walsh upset that Brian was likely facing

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Speaker 13: federal prison time in another case, was prepared to leave

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Speaker 13: him and moved to Washington with their three young children.

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Speaker 13: Brian was the sole beneficiary of more than two million

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Speaker 13: dollars worth of life insurance policies, and just before Anna disappeared,

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Speaker 13: Connor said Brian suspected Anna of cheating on him.

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Speaker 5: He was routinely visiting the Instagram page of one of

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Speaker 5: her male friends, and on December twenty sixth, his mother,

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Speaker 5: with his input and direction, obtained and hired a private

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Speaker 5: investigator to surveil Anna Walsh in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Rachel Shiloke, Washington Examiner, what can you tell us about

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Speaker 2: the alleged affair?

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Speaker 7: The alleged affair is really interesting because was when it

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Speaker 7: first came out that this was circulating in the media.

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Speaker 7: You know, there was an alleged affair. There wasn't much

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Speaker 7: evidence to go off of, you know, court search warrants

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Speaker 7: had been sealed, all this evidence had been sealed. But

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Speaker 7: now that we have the actual trans that like not transactions,

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Speaker 7: the interviews and the information, it seems to me that

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Speaker 7: what they what the police founded that this man confirmed

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Speaker 7: that they were in a dating relationship and had been

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Speaker 7: for several months and it was growing more serious, and

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Speaker 7: at one point they had traveled to Dublin, Ireland to

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Speaker 7: spend Thanksgiving together, and they spent Christmas Eve together, and

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Speaker 7: they were planning a belated New Year celebrations together on

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Speaker 7: January fourth, and that is when Brian Wallace started calling

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Speaker 7: her work in Washington, d C. Saying, my wife hasn't

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Speaker 7: been seen have you heard from her? And investigators are

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Speaker 7: believing that this was a cover up to stem from

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Speaker 7: the fact that he had murdered her on New Year's Day.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining a psychoanalyst out of Beverly Hills,

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Speaker 2: jumping off what Rachel Shilkey has just.

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Speaker 3: Described, and you mentioned it earlier.

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Speaker 2: Can't you just imagine Brian walch sitting at mommy's kitchen

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Speaker 2: table and wherever it was Swain Scott, I think it was,

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Speaker 2: you know, just gnashing his teeth and switching his tail.

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Speaker 2: My wife's having an affair. Sure, he never thought, Wow,

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Speaker 2: I wonder why she's not attracted to me anymore. Maybe

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Speaker 2: because I committed fraud and I'm going to jail for that,

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Speaker 2: for art fraud. But that said, obsessed with the possibility

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Speaker 2: his wife is having an affair and.

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Speaker 3: He's unloading it all to mommy and.

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Speaker 2: Going just obsessively on his cell phone or his tablet,

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Speaker 2: looking and who he thinks is the boyfriend's insta and

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Speaker 2: all of his social trying to see if Anna, his wife,

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Speaker 2: was in a.

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Speaker 3: Picture, or thinking about the guy. Looking at the guy.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's not handsome, he's not buff, he's got this

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Speaker 2: crappy job.

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Speaker 3: Why is she interested in him?

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Speaker 2: Just whatever is going on in his mind, but just

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Speaker 2: obsessing on it to the point he convinces his mother

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Speaker 2: to get in league. Within that mother maybe looking at

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Speaker 2: accessory charges.

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Speaker 3: Think about that, mommy.

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Speaker 8: Well, usually when an individual finds out that their spouse

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Speaker 8: or partners having an affair, their first instinct is to

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Speaker 8: leave the other person, not to stalk the other person.

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Speaker 2: I would be devastated just thinking about it makes me

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Speaker 2: sick to my stomach.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I mean it makes all of us sick

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Speaker 8: to our stomachs. In fact, most people who find out

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Speaker 8: a partner is having an affair when they come to

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Speaker 8: my office, they are so devastated they are almost psychotic.

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Speaker 8: They are crying, they can't sleep, they have intrusive thoughts.

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Speaker 2: It's not the three minutes of sex for Pete's sake,

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Speaker 2: it's the love, the love that you would leave your

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Speaker 2: wife and your children and the hull and the family

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Speaker 2: and the memories for what a piece of tail.

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Speaker 3: Seriously, but we have to.

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Speaker 8: Be clear that that's not what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 2: No, I think that Anna Walsh, if this is true

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Speaker 2: about the affair, was emotionally involved with this guy. I

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Speaker 2: think she had had it with Brian Walsh and his

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Speaker 2: double dealing in his lies. He had threatened to kill

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Speaker 2: her in the past. She had filed a police report

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Speaker 2: and then later dropped the charges. Now he's cheating with

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Speaker 2: the art. I mean, really, who's gonna be able to

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Speaker 2: pull off an art fraud with an Andy Warhol. I

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Speaker 2: think that's not going to be checked out. For Pete's sake,

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Speaker 2: she had had it with him. I think that there's

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Speaker 2: a very good chance she was deeply in love with

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Speaker 2: this guy.

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Speaker 8: And it's actually nancy. Women who are in domestic violent situations,

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Speaker 8: on average, it takes them nine attempts to leave the

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Speaker 8: relationship before they are finally successful, and one of the

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Speaker 8: reasons is that when they try to leave the partner

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Speaker 8: in this case, Brian Walsh knows that the control is slipping,

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Speaker 8: and they try to put their claws, their hooks, their

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Speaker 8: tentacles deeper and deeper and deeper into the victims. So

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Speaker 8: when he's going online looking at Instagram, kind of cyber

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Speaker 8: stalking her, it's not.

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Speaker 14: Because he's so sad or he's worried about her welfare.

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Speaker 14: It's that he feels betrayed and he knows that he

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Speaker 14: no longer has power and dominance over her.

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Speaker 6: So all of the.

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Speaker 8: Stocking, all of this talking to his mom about it

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Speaker 8: is an attempt to re establish the way the relationship

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Speaker 8: once was.

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Speaker 2: Hey, doctor Bethany, hold on before alsa thought, have you

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Speaker 2: noticed every time and jump in anybody on the panel,

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Speaker 2: help me out here, Rachel Shilkey, doctor Bethany, Lisa, doctor Dpree,

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Speaker 2: Jessica Garth. Have you noticed that every picture of Brian Wall,

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Speaker 2: she looks like he's just rolled out of bed. He

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Speaker 2: always looks unkept. He's not really helping take care of

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Speaker 2: the boys. They've got three boys. He's not working and

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Speaker 2: bringing in money, and she's having to support everybody and

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Speaker 2: travel to DC from her home every on and off

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Speaker 2: all week to support them.

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Speaker 3: And to top it off, he's a con. He did

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Speaker 3: an art fraud for thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like he's at home cooking a

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Speaker 2: homemade beef stew or a chicken pot pie for when

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Speaker 2: she gets home from work. He's doing nothing. At what

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Speaker 2: point does the light switch flick and you go, you

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Speaker 2: know what, even if you're not gonna help me, don't

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Speaker 2: hurt me, and you're hurting me.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting out of.

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Speaker 9: This, you know, Nancy, this is Jessica. This case just

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Speaker 9: it screams to me. You know that this was a

651
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Speaker 9: man who had lost control over his life, and I

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Speaker 9: think that what he did to his wife ultimately is

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Speaker 9: him trying to reassert, you know, power and control in

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Speaker 9: an ultimate way. I mean, ultimately he has you know,

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Speaker 9: he's taken her life and no one else can ever

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Speaker 9: have her. And while he himself has you know, he's

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Speaker 9: facing criminal charges now on multiple different fronts, in that way,

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Speaker 9: he will always have control over his wife.

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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Beth and a Marshall, she is totally stealing

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Speaker 2: your thunder.

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Speaker 3: You must be really embarrassed right now.

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Speaker 8: Well, well, let me add to this. Remember he tried

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Speaker 8: to con his own father, to con his own father

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Speaker 8: out of aspects of the father's estate.

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Speaker 3: So tell everybody about that.

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Speaker 2: That's a really good point, you know, when you don't

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Speaker 2: know horse, look at his track record and there he

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Speaker 2: is doing the same thing again.

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Speaker 3: Refresh our recollection on that. I remember that now.

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Speaker 8: It only came to light because one of the father's friends,

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Speaker 8: I believe, if if I recall correctly, was very aware

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Speaker 8: that the father wanted nothing to do with his son,

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Speaker 8: Brian Walsh. He saw his son as a loser, a

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Speaker 8: con artist, felonious, and so he cut Brian completely out

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Speaker 8: of his will. But what happened is that the father

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Speaker 8: became increasingly ill towards the end of his life. Brian

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Speaker 8: Walsh would go to the father's house and I believe

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Speaker 8: he attempted to change the father's will while the father

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Speaker 8: was sort of in hospice or at the end of

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Speaker 8: his life, and he did it in a very strange

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Speaker 8: and transparent way, where he forged the signature or something

682
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Speaker 8: like that. So I think that what tells me about

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Speaker 8: Brian Walsh is that everybody was a mark. Okay, everybody

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00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 8: was somebody from whom he could con or get money

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Speaker 8: or steal from, including his own wife. His wife was

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Speaker 8: a mark too. I mean, in some ways we to

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Speaker 8: say that her going to work in another state was

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Speaker 8: because she was trying to get away from him, or

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Speaker 8: he was kind of in his own mind timping her out.

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Speaker 8: Like you say that he's always looking crumpled and like

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Speaker 8: he just rolled out of bed. I mean, Brian Walsh

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Speaker 8: felt that he didn't have to work, that everybody else

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Speaker 8: would work for him. And remember, sociopaths, one of the

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Speaker 8: defining features is they have the parasitic lifestyle. They are

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Speaker 8: parasitic with the people around them. So he was a

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Speaker 8: parasite with his father, He was a parasite with well,

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Speaker 8: with his wife, always trying to extract things from them,

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Speaker 8: working them harder and harder, while he's just sitting at

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Speaker 8: his mother's dinner table, you know, chatting her up about

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Speaker 8: how he feels so cheated and betrayed by the wife.

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Speaker 8: You know what if he felt so cheated and betrayed,

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Speaker 8: he's gone out. I know he was under you know,

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Speaker 8: house arrest at this point. But he could have had

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Speaker 8: a legitimate job and a career and supported his family.

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Speaker 8: But that's not the way Brian Walsh rolled.

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Speaker 2: And he just really drunk a chord in me. Doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 2: You've met David and my husband. This is kind of

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Speaker 2: guy you need to look for. You need to look

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Speaker 2: for a guy that wants to do something for you,

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Speaker 2: Dr Bethany. And I don't mean big things, expensive things,

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Speaker 2: something that matters to you, you know, Dr Bethany, to

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Speaker 2: get the children to school on time, and all the

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Speaker 2: animals fed, and my grandma and my mother taking care

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Speaker 2: of I get up every morning at.

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Speaker 3: Least by five point thirty.

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Speaker 2: Very often David will beat me up, beat me being awake,

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Speaker 2: and I'll go in the kitchen and find him in

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Speaker 2: there and he has already made the coffee or the

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Speaker 2: dishwasher done some little thing that requires time and effort

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Speaker 2: to helping.

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Speaker 3: The laundry, yeah, laundry, Yeah, he does laundry.

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Speaker 2: And so I don't feel that's another thing I don't do,

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Speaker 2: and it's just or have to.

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Speaker 3: My point is.

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Speaker 2: Here, is Waltz just really a parasite, just sucking her dry.

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Speaker 2: Oh and speaking of when you don't know a horse,

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Speaker 2: look at this track record. You gotta hear our cut

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Speaker 2: sixty one talking about a scam.

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Speaker 3: A fraud.

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Speaker 2: He's first, there's the Warhol paintings fraud. The fraud on Dad.

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Speaker 2: Now listen to our cut sixty Well this is Beyonca

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Speaker 2: Bill trend at NBC Team.

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Speaker 4: Anna Walsh was last seen on New Year's Day by

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Speaker 4: a family friend who left their house at one thirty

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Speaker 4: in the morning, about three and a half hours later.

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Speaker 4: More research on the iPad about disposing of a body.

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Speaker 4: Prosecutors noted Brian Walsh would benefit financially from his wife's death.

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Speaker 5: In total, her life insurance is over two point seven

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Speaker 5: million dollars. Where the defendant was a sole beneficiary.

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Speaker 2: The defendant was his sole beneficiary. He was in liigned

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Speaker 2: to get nearly three million dollars.

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Speaker 3: If he could get rid of Anna. We wait as

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Speaker 3: just as some false goodbye night, you

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Speaker 4: M