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Speaker 1: The show goes on the official show on the Fish

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Speaker 1: Eli Sussman, that's Isaac is Zoo, that's Daniel Rodriguez, and

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Speaker 1: they are joining me for a highly anticipated interview that's

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Speaker 1: his for that twenty twelve season. As David Gavant, the

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Speaker 1: So without further ado, we want to revisit that masterpiece

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Speaker 1: of yours that you helped put together. David, thanks so

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Speaker 2: Well my pleasure, guys, I'm excited. Thanks for reaching out.

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Speaker 2: So it's really nice that you guys reached out and

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Speaker 1: Even though this was in twenty twelve. I mean, from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm originally from Atlanta, Georgia. I was working

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Speaker 2: Know, I I think it's I think it's a fine

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Speaker 2: it up to the audience to determine, you know, make

435
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 2: their own determination as to what happened. And we did

436
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: that throughout our course at at Major League Baseball. There

437
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: was a time early and when we were there in

438
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: two thousand, for example, when the Mets and Yankees were

439
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 2: in the World Series in two thousand and there was

440
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 2: a time where Piazza was going up against Clemens, and

441
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: Piazza's bat broke and went back. The bat shattered and

442
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: almost hit Clemens on the mound, and Clemens picked up

443
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: the bat and threw it at Piazza. I think if

444
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: you know something like that, you know we weren't going

445
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 2: to delve into We were going to get a quote

446
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 2: from both those guys and say, hey, what was going on,

447
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: what were you feeling, what were you thinking at that time.

448
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 2: We were just going to show it because we had

449
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: a responsibility. This happened in the game, and we were

450
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: going to show it. And so that's kind of the

451
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 2: philosophy that we took with the shooting of the franchise.

452
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 2: Whatever the controversy was, we were going to show it.

453
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: We were going to try and glorify it, we were

454
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: going to try and we were going to try and

455
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 2: amp up the narrative if it wasn't there. We just

456
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: wanted to kind of show it and present it as

457
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: it was happening in real real time.

458
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 3: And I think you're making a great example for one

459
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 3: of the controversies in that season earlier was the Hanley

460
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: Ramirez Jose Reyes. You know, one of them didn't want

461
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: to move over to third base and they did that

462
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 3: whole scene like you mentioned, where they were playing video

463
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: games with each other to make sure that, ay, we're

464
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: okay with each other. Did that seem possibly, you know,

465
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 3: a little fake or you know, were they really trying

466
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 3: their best to be to you know, get along with

467
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: each other, because that was a bit of an issue initially.

468
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: I you know what those maybe they had issues with

469
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: it away from each other, but they were friends. So yeah,

470
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure they both were, Like, you know, if it

471
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: was somebody else, they probably would have been. I don't

472
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: know if they would have been more vocal, they probably

473
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: would have expressed the same thing. But at the end

474
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: of the day, they weren't mad at each other. They

475
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 2: didn't put themselves in that situation kind of thing. They

476
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: were there there, there were still friends and and I

477
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: know when Hanley was traded, I know that Jose was,

478
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: you know, kind of devastated. So so so I don't,

479
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think it was it was manufactured.

480
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: They were they were already friends beforehand, you know, So

481
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: so I don't, I don't. I don't think there was

482
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: any kind of controversy that we had to steer to

483
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: stir up. We just showed them talking about it, and

484
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: that was really the first time that they that the

485
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: media heard from these guys, you know, talking about it.

486
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: And uh, I think it kind of you know, kind

487
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: of closed the chapter on that after after showing this.

488
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I do know that Ozzie Gee, I believe,

489
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 3: was one of the guys that really had a flight

490
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: of the Dominican and really talk Handley, you know, into

491
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: just being okay with moving positions, because at first, I

492
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: think it was a very big deal to Handley the

493
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 3: start of the team at the time, from moving to

494
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 3: you know, the prime position of shortstop to a third base.

495
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 3: And if somebody else wanted to ask, you mentioned that

496
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 3: Rays was you know devastated. Were there any other players

497
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: that just had, you know, tough times with players? Use

498
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 3: there's a lot of trades at that trade deadline along

499
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 3: before Handley and after, So there was any other you know,

500
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 3: player reactions to some some peculiar trades.

501
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: No, I think the whole team was kind of surprised

502
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: that they were having that many trades because there was

503
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: so much especially in string training, there was so much

504
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: optimism about this team. And uh, you know when you

505
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: look on paper, you know this this that team was

506
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: built to win and make a splash. You know. It

507
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: was like I said, it was the first year the

508
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 2: ballpark was open, and and and the and the new

509
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: name change. So you know, the you know, Jeffrey Laurier

510
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: wanted it to be like a Broadway show. He wanted

511
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: people to fill the stands and come see these stars.

512
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: They were great players, and and so there was you know,

513
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 2: he did his job, you know, you know, bringing in

514
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: some really high priced talent and some really you know,

515
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: really recognized names, and uh, I think if you go

516
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: back and look at the stats for that that year.

517
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: What you know, the most amazing thing is that everybody

518
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: across the board kind of had off years that year,

519
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: and so and so I think there was just I

520
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: think everybody was kind of just like disappointed more than

521
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: anything else that that it didn't go according to plan.

522
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: You know, I know that, you know, Stanton went down

523
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: and and the likes and uh uh, but you know,

524
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: it was just a shame because we were really excited

525
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: about featuring the Marlins and the franchise just because of

526
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: the star power of the team.

527
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: It's incredible that you just said that. That was exactly

528
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: what Isaac was talking about before the show, about how

529
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: everybody underperformed across the roster. Like, in hindsight, people may

530
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: point to certain flaws in the roster or certain players

531
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: that maybe were overpaid, but in aggregate, this is not

532
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: something you could really see coming. Like anybody that was

533
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: paying close attention to baseball thought that this was at

534
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: the very least a team that would contend with the playoffs,

535
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: that would be in the mix for most of the season. So, yeah,

536
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: we're on the same page about that. How it just

537
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: veered into the direction that you really could not have anticipated.

538
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

539
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, because even you mentioned like handling a superstar was

540
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: hitting in the two forties. Gabby Sanders is coming off

541
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: a great year and all start of selection, he got

542
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: sent down at some point into the year.

543
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 5: Josh Johnson, the ace of the team, didn't perform well.

544
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: Is just really a kick in the growing that how

545
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 3: every single player and every single free agent that they

546
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 3: signed barely included and rays included, they all performed under

547
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 3: his expectations.

548
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how often that happens. I don't think,

549
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: you know, because you kind of figured that, you know,

550
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a bell curve. Maybe it's all

551
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: going to even out at the end of it by

552
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: the end of the season. Right, you might start out slow,

553
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: you might start you're going to have you know, dips

554
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: and dips and rises throughout the year. So you just

555
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: think everything's going to kind of even out after the

556
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: year and things are gonna get out, Because it's amazing

557
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: how teams can start out so bad in spring training

558
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: right and start out and even be you have a

559
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: losing record in June and July, but then all of

560
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: a sudden, you know, have a hot August and September

561
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: and be in the playoffs. I mean it's a long season,

562
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: so so yeah, just uh, it was just kind of

563
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: surprising that the like it just stayed in a dip

564
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: and never came out of it.

565
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

566
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: I have a question about the owner, Jeffrey Laurier. You

567
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 4: know we saw from clips there focusing on him. You know,

568
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 4: he's a big art collector, him collecting art. Just was

569
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 4: he adamant on having camera crews following him? Did he

570
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 4: make it a point to have cameras follow him or

571
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 4: was that just a choice to follow him throughout his

572
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 4: days and during the season.

573
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was It was really our choice because

574
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: we wanted to really get behind the scenes of what

575
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: it was like to be an owner. And mister Laurier

576
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: was also a very unique owner because of his business background.

577
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: So we you know, a lot of the lawyers are

578
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of a lot of lawyers, A

579
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: lot of the owners are lawyers or accountants or they're

580
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: very dry and uh, and mister Laurier was just, uh,

581
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: you know, just an exciting character to be able to follow,

582
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: just to kind of hear about his business, and he

583
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: was very open about his passion. Besides baseball was the

584
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: was the art world, and and and just being able

585
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: to follow him and get to get to get to

586
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: know him a little bit, you know, because I think

587
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: he had been maligned for for a good number of years,

588
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: so nobody really took the time to really get to

589
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: know him and and and see what is about He

590
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: did love this team, He he was he was done

591
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: at spring training. He was in the room with Ozzie

592
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: when he was throwing all those f bombs around, and

593
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: he absolutely loved it. And uh, you know, he's a

594
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: baseball fan, and so it was, uh, it was something

595
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: that we wanted to do. We wanted to really get

596
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: to know him a little bit better. And and and

597
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: especially because he's not your prototypical owner in the in

598
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: the path of how he came to came to baseball.

599
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: David, are there any like particular segments that stick on

600
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: your mind as ones that you're especially proud of from

601
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: any one of the episodes that you felt exactly captured

602
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: and whatever whatever that means to you, really in terms

603
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: of what he felt was a successful production that really

604
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: encapsulated what was going on or took the viewers somewhere

605
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: where they wouldn't ordinarily be able to get to you.

606
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: You brought up some examples ready, so maybe those are others,

607
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: but I wanted to give you an opportunity in case

608
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 1: there are other segments that really stick out in your

609
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: minds that you thought were really exceptional.

610
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think the whole Ozzie just Ozzie

611
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: in general, just the amount of access he gave us

612
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: and it was such a pleasure to follow him. And

613
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: you know, when he got suspended, that was a really

614
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: raw moment. The heath Fell moment was also a raw

615
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: moment from a player's perspective. I'm not so sure you

616
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: know he was. Heath was exactly thrilled after the fact

617
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: of of of the whole world looking in when he

618
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: was basically, you know, being called out for for you know,

619
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: being benched, and the reason why he was being benched

620
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: because he wasn't performing basically as the way he wanted

621
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: to and wanted to be. The other one was, uh,

622
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: Gian Carlo when he underwent author'scoptic surgery. You know how

623
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: many times you know, I don't know if you could

624
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: even do that this day is because of a legal perspective,

625
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: but how many times you actually have to see somebody

626
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: go in and be operated on, and especially a star

627
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: player like this, So, uh, he was super cool. The

628
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: doctors were super cool. And I think that was also

629
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: a special moment that stood out just because it just

630
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: showed the kind of access that we were, you know,

631
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: we were you know, getting access to was was really

632
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: top shelf type of access.

633
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually I'm glad you mentioned that scene because

634
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: it was so it was insane to look at that

635
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: because not only you know, it was a loose bodies

636
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 3: and the right knee I think it was, and there

637
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: you were, you know, the cameraman in the doctor's office

638
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: in the surgery room show. And then when the loose

639
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 3: bodies were eventually removed, we we saw the actual loose

640
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: bodies taken out of his knees.

641
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 5: So it was just great television. And you know, obviously,

642
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 5: in my opinion, I.

643
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 3: Was watching these episodes religiously, every single one of them,

644
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: from start to finish. If I'm not missaying, I believe

645
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: you guys cut the season short by one episode. I

646
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: think maybe maybe there was a tough time to create content.

647
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: Was that the reason why or because I do think

648
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: it was cut one episode short?

649
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: Right?

650
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: No, I think we were. It was it was kind

651
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 2: of like it was never really etched in stone how

652
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: many episodes. It was basically however long the narrative was

653
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: going to play out. So we were we were always

654
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: it was I think the last episode was going to be, uh,

655
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: was it going to be an hour and we were

656
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: going to cut it into two half hours or if

657
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: it was just it was just a half hour. But

658
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: we felt like we were we were given a cut

659
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: off date of how long we were going to spend

660
00:32:54,880 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: with the with the team, and so so it just

661
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: basically ran its course, and you know, with with the

662
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: narrative of where it was going and it was a

663
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: rebuilding year and the likes and so we felt like,

664
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: you know, we had started out with the highs of

665
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: the highs and the expectations of where this team could

666
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: be and then just to see it's kind of like,

667
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: you know, unfortunately kind of crumble before you you know

668
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: that the series kind of kind of ran its course.

669
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: It wasn't you know, I guess if we were gonna stick,

670
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: if the team was going to make it into the

671
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: playoffs and really rebound. We were talking about coming back

672
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: later that year. Now now I'm remembering it. It was

673
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: basically we were going to come back at the end

674
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: of the year. We had saved an episode because we

675
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: were anticipating that the team was going to do so

676
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: well or at least make a run at the playoffs,

677
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: that we were saving a half hour to come back. Like,

678
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: we finished filming in August, and we were going to

679
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: come back in September, continue filming and to do an

680
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: episode in September. But once once it looked like the

681
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: you know where the team was headed and eventually heading,

682
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: it didn't make sense to come back for that postseason

683
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 2: run that never really happened.

684
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, my question is were there any players that maybe

685
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 4: didn't get enough focus on that you thought maybe should

686
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 4: have maybe with because of their personality or something like that.

687
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 4: Because the team also had players like Carlos and Brono,

688
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 4: Logan Morrison, Gabby Sanchez was from Miami. Were there any

689
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: players that maybe you thought that Sho got maybe a

690
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: little more screen time.

691
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 2: No, we like to say that all those three players

692
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: that you mentioned, we showed love to all those three players,

693
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: especially Zan Brono. We had him wired in a game

694
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: for the first time in his career, and you know,

695
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: I think there was a there was a section where

696
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: you know, he always had like he was a you know,

697
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: it was a very fiery type pitcher who would get

698
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: in your face. And there was a scene where one

699
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: of the players let a couple of runs get in.

700
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: One of the fielders let a couple runs get in.

701
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: Carlos on on the on the on the wires, I

702
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 2: got you. It's no problem, we'll get this back kind

703
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 2: of thing. So but in the the box set you'll

704
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: see all those players that you mentioned, they all got

705
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: their fair share of fair share of air time. For sure.

706
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought that up about having him

707
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: micd up for the game, because that is something that

708
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: I guess they haven't quite taken that step Baseball yet

709
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: in terms of doing that regularly for like real regular

710
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: season games. They've toyed around with it for the All

711
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: Star Game and for spring training games in the year

712
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: since with productions that Fox has done with I think

713
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: MLB Network itself has played around with that as well.

714
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: That was a fascinating step. Was there any hesitancy from

715
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: Zambranos actually where a mic during the game, just because

716
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: for someone like him, especially if you've been in the

717
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: league for so long, and you're so in tune with

718
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: your body and perhaps maybe superstitious about certain ways that

719
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: you go about your game. I'm curious, at least in

720
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: that particular instance, he was okay with doing that, even

721
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: though it was something that is very different and something

722
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: that maybe would make you feel self conscious, that it's

723
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: something that's just so foreign to what baseball players are

724
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: used to.

725
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I don't think there's so self conscious

726
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: about it. I think he touched on it exactly. They're

727
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: so superstitious about everything, like if it's completely different, like

728
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: you know, like Wade Boggs a chicken every day for

729
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: his entire career. I mean, you know, baseball more than

730
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: any other sport is just have these like wacky superstitions

731
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: that the players kind of adopt and they're not going

732
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: to change from it. So if you know, if he

733
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: wore the wire and got shelled, he probably would have

734
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: never worn the wire ever again. Or if you know,

735
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 2: you know, we've had some players that wore a wire

736
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: and had the best day of the best day of

737
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: their lives, so they didn't mind wearing a wire going forward.

738
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: There's a there's another program that we did for HBO

739
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 2: called Garret Jeter three K where he followed him around

740
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: for his three thousand hit. He was six hits away

741
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: and we followed him for those six hits. The day

742
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: that he hit three thousand, he went five for five.

743
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: We had a game. We had a wireless microphone on

744
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: him for the first time in his career, and he

745
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 2: had a home run on that his three thousand hit.

746
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: And so now he's like, oh, maybe I should have

747
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: been wearing a wire the whole time because he just

748
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: had an incredible day. So, you know, it's kind of

749
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: hit or miss. Some players are like, no, I'm not

750
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: gonna wear wire. I don't feel comfortable. I might say

751
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: something that's gonna you know, give away a competitive advantage

752
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: to other batters or the likes or you know, regardless

753
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: whether or not we said, hey, anything on the competitive nature,

754
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: we're not going to put in. That was one of

755
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: the stipulations that we weren't going to do anything that

756
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: was going to you know, give away anything that was

757
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: going to be an advantage to your you know, the

758
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: the other team that you were going up against. But

759
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 2: so so for the most part, you know, we didn't

760
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: really run into those situations. With this particular filming. But

761
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: let me just tell you for other other players that

762
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: we've had wired, it's just been it's again, it's been

763
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: that bell curve. Some people have been great, some people

764
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: have been like, no way of not going near that thing.

765
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: Can you maybe share which names refuse to uh to

766
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: wire up that season?

767
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: I don't recall, you know, I don't think anybody on

768
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: the team really refused on our season. I'm talking about

769
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: over the you know, the the sixteen years that I

770
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 2: was at Major League Baseball, we had lots of players

771
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: that just said, nope, it's not something I'm accustomed to doing.

772
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: I've never done it before, I'm not starting now. So

773
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: it was more along those lines.

774
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: Right, And in those two seasons, you know, the Giants

775
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: in twenty eleven and the Marls and twenty twelve, DIY

776
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: did it ever feel uncomfortable seeing just stuff that was

777
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 3: really not meant for the public, like being sort of

778
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: an interloper and just you know, looking beneath the skirt

779
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 3: and seeing so much stuff that really fans and no

780
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: one else has access to it.

781
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: Now, it was actually super cool. I thought we did

782
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: more to help promote the game of baseball than than

783
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: any other program that we that we had produced, and

784
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, we were for the previous year with the Giants.

785
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 2: We were showing you know, players making into the big

786
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: leagues for the first time, you know, being told at

787
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: spring training that they're they've made a team and them crying,

788
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: so just you know, just all that kind of access

789
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: kind of humanized the players. And really that was that

790
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: was our that was our job at Major League Baseball Production.

791
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: So it's basically, you know, my philosophy was that if

792
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: you see a player signing an autograph for ten kids,

793
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 2: those ten kids get the benefit of seeing that player

794
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: sign the ball. But if I film that player signing

795
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: those autographs and put it on air, then millions of

796
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: people get the benefit of seeing him sign that ball.

797
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: So that was really that was really that that was

798
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: really our philosophy is how do we how do we

799
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: promote these players, How do we make them look real?

800
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: How do we make them look you know, you know,

801
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: humanize these guys that they're they're more relatable so that

802
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: people are going to want to you know, follow them more,

803
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: or you know, watch what they're up to, or you know,

804
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: even buy their cap or their jersey.

805
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: Right the key question coming off of that is for

806
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: all the fascinating lights that this series kind of shed

807
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: that people wouldn't have ordinarily been able to see before,

808
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: is why did it end? Why was there not a

809
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: third season of the franchise? What were you able to

810
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: understand about why it wasn't brought back in twenty thirteen

811
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: with a different team.

812
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: You know, I think if kind of still filters bat

813
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: back to that whole superstitious component of Major League Baseball

814
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: is that players. You know, we shot thousands of hours.

815
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: You know, we every episode we had a cold down.

816
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: You know, I think it was like three hundred hours

817
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: over three hundred hours that we that we filmed, and

818
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: we had to cut that down into thirty minutes. So

819
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: there was a lot of content to go through. So

820
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 2: I think a lot of players and a lot of teams,

821
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: no matter how many meetings we took the previous the

822
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: following year, you know, we're saying, listen, they just felt

823
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: like all this pressure to content aform to kind of

824
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: deliver what the Giants and the Marlins had delivered over

825
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: the previous two years. If they didn't feel comfortable that

826
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: they were going to be able to do it, no

827
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: matter how much. We told them, hey, listen, we're filming

828
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: so much. We're just taking the best of the best,

829
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 2: and that's why it looks so good. We're not expecting

830
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: you guys to you know, every time we turned the

831
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: camera on, there's going to be this compelling moment. So

832
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: I think that was really the big hurdles that we

833
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: just couldn't get other teams comfortable after seeing what the

834
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: how great the the the first two seasons were, and

835
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: especially with the Marlins and all the access they had

836
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: given us, that we could, you know, jump that hurdle

837
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: for for another team to say we're gonna we feel

838
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: comfortable doing the exact same thing.

839
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: The last question for me I have for you is

840
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: during the you know, the twenty twelve and we're focusing

841
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: on the Marlins, was there ever a heated exchange there,

842
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: you know, you know, a sketchy moment between players or

843
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 3: even players and maybe a cameraman. I know, in June,

844
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: frustration was really molleting. They lost almost every single game in.

845
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 5: The month of June.

846
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: Was there ever a time where players are getting tested

847
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 3: with each other or with the manager or anything like that.

848
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: No, I think Ozzie was getting a little testy for sure.

849
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: I think he was. He was really really getting frustrated.

850
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: You know, he's super competitive, just like all the players are.

851
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: So I think I think, you know, he was, you know,

852
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: he was kind of getting you know, frustrated with with

853
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 2: the team, and I think there were some heated moments

854
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: that he would have to the whole team. We kind

855
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: of like lay it out in front, you know, and

856
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: our and our cameras were there, and it was basically saying, like,

857
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: you know, what's up with you guys? F bomb, F bomb,

858
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: f bom. You guys got to get your you know,

859
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: get your F bomb stuff together. You know, what the heck?

860
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: You know, you guys are great Major League Baseball players.

861
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: What is going on? So, you know, I think he

862
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: was trying to cajole to you know, whatever it was

863
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 2: that he was trying to do, to get these players

864
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: just kind of get out of their funk. And so,

865
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: like you said, I think there were some frustrating moments

866
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: in the locker room after games for sure during that year.

867
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: The one thing I have to bring up because you

868
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: mentioned him losing his temper is this is from somebody

869
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: on Twitter, one of our followers, Wiggly Feels he wanted

870
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: to see if you remembered this rant that he went on,

871
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: used it as like a post credit scene about when

872
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: he was ranting about coconut water.

873
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: You did it.

874
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: I think in front of all the media that was

875
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: symbols this guy was just wondering about the context of

876
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: that because it was it was gold. It was a

877
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: solid minute, if not longer, of him just constantly f

878
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: bomb after f bomb talking about nonsense in front of

879
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: I think it was a pretty big crab of all

880
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: these reporters and TV people.

881
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ouzie's great TV. What do you turn a camera

882
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: on a guy who doesn't have a filter and just

883
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: let him loose? You know, he's very much an extrovert, right,

884
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: so it doesn't take him, you know, it doesn't take

885
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: much to have him, you know, start just to pontificating

886
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: about eating that comes into his head. So that was

887
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: I think that was one of the reasons why we

888
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: put it on there, because it was just like, continue

889
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: believe this guy, this is just it's hysterical, sou So

890
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: that's that's how that came about. We would try to

891
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: find some you know, free associations that that he would

892
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: do to to include in the post credit scenes to

893
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 2: kind of give give a little bit extra bonus footage

894
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: to to to every episode.

895
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 5: I remember that I actually fibbed. I have one more

896
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 5: question for you. There was a couple of shots with

897
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 5: you know, the players, whis the players families? One of

898
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 5: some of them were just what the players I was

899
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 5: on the boat I believe it was. And there was

900
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 5: a dinner scene. How willing were they to you know,

901
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 5: be on national television the way they were? Were they

902
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 5: excited for it? It were some plays wise less excited

903
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 5: than others. How did that go?

904
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 3: Especially Heath Bell's wife I believe was one of the

905
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: main ones in one of the scenes. So was she

906
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: excited about being on you know, knowing that her husband

907
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 3: was struggling a bit?

908
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think. I think again, the previous

909
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: year we had done the same. It was kind of

910
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: in our playbook with that we were going to go

911
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: home with the players so we can learn more about

912
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: their families and the Heath Bell you know, yes, yes,

913
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: it was a pretty open and honest dean uh, you know,

914
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 2: with with Ozzie, but we also got a chance to

915
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: go home and meet his family, and that was that

916
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: was even more incredible scene to see him as a

917
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: father and see him with his kids and uh, and

918
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 2: so again it just kind of helps kind of humanize

919
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: the player, to let him know that, let let the

920
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: audience know, the viewers know that these guys are just

921
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: like us. They have families, they have kids, they have

922
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: other responsibilities as well, so that you know, going home

923
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: and meeting the wives. That was always part of our playbook.

924
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: And so you know what, you know, we just kind

925
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: of identified who we thought would be, you know, what

926
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: would be the best stories along those lines, and uh,

927
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: and just kind of went from there. But nothing really

928
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: any kind of pushback because again, because of what we

929
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 2: had done the previous year, people kind of knew what

930
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: to expect.

931
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, were there any moments that maybe didn't

932
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 4: make the cut that maybe you thought or anyone else

933
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 4: that you know, it would have made for great television.

934
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 4: Maybe it was a player manager or anything like that,

935
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 4: Maybe a moment that that she probably should have made

936
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 4: television or was this close to it.

937
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: Now, you know, I think we did a pretty good job.

938
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: I mean, when you get when you're in the operating

939
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: room of your star player and getting permission to do that,

940
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: that's uh, that's uh you know, I think we were

941
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: kind of amazed that we were allowed to do that

942
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: just because of uh, you know, if something went wrong

943
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: in the surgery, you know, you know, we were there,

944
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: you know there, you know, so there could have been

945
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: some liability issues. So I don't think I've seen many

946
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: athletes going under the knife on any other shows recently.

947
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: But so we were really happy to be a part

948
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: of that. Granted it was it was I think it

949
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: was pretty routine surgery, but still that was pretty pretty impactful.

950
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: And just the cooperation from the team and from the

951
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: owner on down, you know, letting us know that, you know,

952
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: we had embedded our camera crew there and they we

953
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: really became like part of the team, and they welcomed

954
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: us in and so whatever a big moment was going

955
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: to happen, you know, they always made sure that we're

956
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: there filming and and and again. After a while, you

957
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: start to kind of blend in because you have to remember,

958
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: we're not really asking questions when we're there. We're just filming,

959
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: and we'll we'll have a time during the production we

960
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: we'll have scheduled interview times, like we'll go back and

961
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: look at the footage and then we'll find something that's like, oh,

962
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: this could be a really cool storyline, you know, based

963
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: on what we're seeing from the footage, and then we

964
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 2: would have set times we'd interview the players to talk

965
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: about certain things that we had filmed so that we

966
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: could have you know, supporting sound as we're building each

967
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 2: one of those show.

968
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: Before we let you go. I was really fascinated in

969
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: what you're currently doing in business developments with WSC Sports.

970
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: I've had to do some creative things to come up

971
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: with those highlights as fast as possible, but this technology

972
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: that seems to kind of automate almost every step of

973
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: the way is something that just really fascinates me. There's

974
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: anything that you could tell us about exactly how that

975
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: works and what kind of clients you work with to

976
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: turn around those highlights as quickly as you do.

977
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really thanks for asking that question, because

978
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: I've been working with WSC Sports for a couple of

979
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: years now, and you know, I did come up in production.

980
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: I started out as an editor at cn in Sports

981
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: and continue that at the NBA, So I kind of

982
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: have like this you know, holistic view of editing and

983
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: what it takes to get something on air, whether it's

984
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: for live television production or for post production like the

985
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: franchise was. And so when I was reading about WSC

986
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: back in like November of twenty nineteen, the headline that

987
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: I was reading is that this Israeli tech company is

988
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: using AI and machine learning to automatically cut highlights in

989
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: real time. And I went, what And I didn't believe it.

990
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: I just I thought that this was like BS. I

991
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: didn't I couldn't believe that there was AI that was

992
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: taking the place and editors and basically cutting content within

993
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: seconds of an event happening on the field or on

994
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: the course or on the court, and distributed it anywhere

995
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 2: in the world instantaneously. And so I got to find

996
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: out more information about this company, and so the more

997
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: more information I found out about it, the more and

998
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: more I was just super impressed. So to give you

999
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: an example, at Major League Baseball productions, we would have loggers,

1000
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: and our best logger could log up two and a

1001
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: half hour, three hour baseball game, maybe two hundred and

1002
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: fifty events in that game, you know. And that's with

1003
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: like a drop down menu you point, you click on

1004
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 2: the player's face. It drop down menu comes down offense,

1005
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 2: defense with subcategory in there, so our AI can look

1006
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 2: at that same game and log fifteen hundred data points

1007
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: and create a highlight for every one of those data

1008
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: points that happens in the game. So now you kind

1009
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: of have like this Google for plays. So now if

1010
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: you want, you can tell the AI, I want two

1011
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: minutes of highlights, I want twenty five minutes of highlights.

1012
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: I just want the best goals, or I just all

1013
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: want all the home runs, or I just want all

1014
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: the touchdowns. You tell the AI what you want with

1015
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: like five clicks of a button and will literally distributed

1016
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: distribute it anywhere in the world instantaneously within seconds of

1017
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: the action finishing on the field to play. So it's

1018
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: really really super cool tech and it's like the next

1019
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: evolution in television production, in television editing. And we're working

1020
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: with everybody. Anybody that owns sports rights we can work with.

1021
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: So you know, it ranges from the networks to the leagues,

1022
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: to associations, to tournaments, you name it. We're pretty much

1023
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: we have over two hundred clients worldwide and all the

1024
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: big names that you would you would I think would

1025
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: be a part of it.

1026
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, I've tried my best as like

1027
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: a one man band of trying to record things and

1028
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: put them up as quickly as possible, but to understand

1029
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: that this is kind of the way that digital media

1030
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 1: is going in terms of trying to capture that stuff

1031
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: as quickly as possible and not necessarily worrying about the

1032
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: entire game, but just the most critical moments of it,

1033
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: and also getting the right angles of it. It really

1034
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: is a fascinating science. So that's the best of luck

1035
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: to you continuing to do that, and we greatly appreciate

1036
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: all the time that you spent here. This is with

1037
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: David Gavant, who was overseeing the franchise ten years ago.

1038
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: As crazy as that feels. For the Marlin season on Showtime,

1039
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: this has been the official show on fish Drips podcast,

1040
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: Eli Susman, Isaaca, Suit, Daniel Rodriguez, a whole lot of

1041
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: more content coming, but this is, like I said, David,

1042
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: I meant it up top. This is one of the

1043
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: things I was looking forward to most during this lockout

1044
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: as something that I know that people are going to

1045
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 1: ENLiGHT in lieu of spring training games, of actual transactions happening.

1046
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: This has a surprisingly avid audience even now that for

1047
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: people that didn't see it when the show came out

1048
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: in real time, this is more valuable and even for

1049
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: those that did and probably haven't watched it since then,

1050
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: this was going to bring back a whole lot of

1051
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: memories flooding into their heads and with this extra context.

1052
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: It's been awesome. Thank you so much.

1053
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: Well, thank you guys for inviting me. It's been a

1054
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: real pleasure meeting you guys and talking about this and

1055
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 2: like you said, it's hard to believe it's it's been

1056
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: ten years and it's been really a lot of fun

1057
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 2: talking to you guys about it.

1058
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: So we'll have more on this pod channel, fish Stripes

1059
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: Unfiltered coming up this weekend.

1060
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: Everywhere you get.

1061
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: Your pods, just subscribe to fish Stripes and you'll find

1062
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: it right there.

1063
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: So we'll keep.

1064
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: Covering everything as close as possible with this lockout going on,

1065
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: but this was a great way to make that time

1066
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: go a little bit quicker. Sopreciate all the support and

1067
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: as always, go fish