WEBVTT - Get Better At Email

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about my general presence on email?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say you're not the best of email. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think you missed things. Sometimes. The problem with you

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<v Speaker 1>and sending emails is that it's very unpredictable when you

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<v Speaker 1>will read, if you will read, and when you will reply.

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<v Speaker 1>First time I met you, I was introduced to you.

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<v Speaker 1>You gave me your business card and said here, this

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<v Speaker 1>is my email if you need to get in touch,

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<v Speaker 1>and so literally like that night, I emailed you and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it was nice to meet you. Here are some things

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<v Speaker 1>that would be helpful, and I never heard back. Once

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<v Speaker 1>I sent an email saying, hey, I really want to

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<v Speaker 1>go to this conference. I need to sign up for

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<v Speaker 1>it by Friday and it's Wednesday. Do you think I

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<v Speaker 1>can do it? And I kind of forgot about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I didn't hear back from you. So by

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<v Speaker 1>the time that we did get around and discussing it,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the next week I didn't get to go.

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<v Speaker 1>So more often than not, I just wander over and

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you. Definitely no to harass you on chat,

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<v Speaker 1>and if all else fails to engage with you in person,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I guess if that if if you're still

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<v Speaker 1>am I, I might go to to your boss, where

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<v Speaker 1>would you say I rank and like among all the

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<v Speaker 1>people you work with? Am I like the worst about email?

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<v Speaker 1>Or am I? Am I in the middle? Or am

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<v Speaker 1>I close to the bottom. I don't think you're at

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<v Speaker 1>the very bottom, but you're near the bottom if we're

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<v Speaker 1>being honest. So what you just heard was a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of my colleagues totally dissing my email habits. I knew

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't great an email, but I didn't realize I

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<v Speaker 1>was making everyone else's lives that much harder. This week

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<v Speaker 1>on Works for Me, I try to fix it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Works for Me, the show where we improve

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves using productivity hats to see if they'll work for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm back at Greenfield, and I'm Francesca leaving. This week

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<v Speaker 1>it is Francesca's turn to change something about the way

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<v Speaker 1>she works. Francesca, what's bothering you about your productivity? This week?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm bad at email, Like, very, very very bad at email.

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<v Speaker 1>My work inbox is so overwhelming that I'm drowning in it.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually miss emails that are pretty important. I just

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<v Speaker 1>won't see them because of all the other stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>comes in and when I do spot a relevant email

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<v Speaker 1>and open it and read it, I don't actually have

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<v Speaker 1>a good system for handling and dispatching each email quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm hearing two problems. One is that your inbox

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<v Speaker 1>is overwhelming, which is a problem a lot of us have.

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<v Speaker 1>My work email is certainly like that. My personal email

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<v Speaker 1>is definitely more under control. Congratulations, thank you. But then

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<v Speaker 1>the other problem I'm hearing is that you haven't figured

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<v Speaker 1>out how to thrive in this chaos. I basically avoid it.

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<v Speaker 1>I see the sheer number of emails and it scares

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<v Speaker 1>me and I go burrow under a rock, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a problem since email is a main form of communication

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<v Speaker 1>for a better worse in our world. To be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get into this situational by myself. The modern

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<v Speaker 1>workplace is in an email crisis. We're drowning in a

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<v Speaker 1>deluge of email and jargon. The average corporate employee in

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<v Speaker 1>this two thousand mind you received anywhere from fifty emails

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<v Speaker 1>per day, and it's growing at about fifteen per year.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you do the math, it would double every

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<v Speaker 1>four and a half to five years. That's Phil Simon,

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<v Speaker 1>a professor at Arizona State University. He wrote a book

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<v Speaker 1>called Message Not Received, all about how the corporate world

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<v Speaker 1>is crippled by too much email. He's not wrong. I

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<v Speaker 1>live that problem. Um. I decided to sit down at

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<v Speaker 1>home with my husband Mike and diagnose just how bad

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<v Speaker 1>the problem had gotten. All right, so I'm gonna show

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<v Speaker 1>you one day. One day is worth of email. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is like there's twenty emails per page, So

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<v Speaker 1>six pages, six times twenty unread well total emails? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that something like all that that you haven't read? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Or does this include spam email? I get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of pr um like public relations firms put you on

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<v Speaker 1>mailing lists, So I have a lot of unwanted mailing

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<v Speaker 1>list emails. So then why don't you just delete them

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<v Speaker 1>if you know you're not going to read them? A

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<v Speaker 1>good question? I mean, I mean I think I get

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed because it's so much. Look how close these emails

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<v Speaker 1>came in together, like to seven to one, so they

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<v Speaker 1>just like they just come in like an avalianche checking

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<v Speaker 1>your email. Right, I know, But I to make this

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<v Speaker 1>workout have to be constantly deleting these exactly. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>it works. If you go to lunch and come back

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<v Speaker 1>to your desk and you haven't looked at it for

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes, forty minutes, Um, how many new emails would

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<v Speaker 1>it have, say, I would have like new emails. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's so that's why it's hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to delete. Yeah, but it sounds like there's also a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things that you're subscribed to that you should

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<v Speaker 1>just unsubscribe because that's the same effect as deleting emails

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<v Speaker 1>to these pr email spam. These are really insidious, Like

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<v Speaker 1>these are the ones. I think that this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the biggest challenge. This is the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm is going to be my um golies. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>the right metaphor going to be my I don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that's what I'm looking for, But it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>my dragon to slay. It sounds like my custom hausom

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<v Speaker 1>good advice for you, But my inbox definitely looks a

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<v Speaker 1>lot like yours. That's a lot of unwanted things that

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't deal with. That's actually kind of refreshing

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<v Speaker 1>to hear, because I feel like you often have good

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<v Speaker 1>hygiene about these things. Mike just too. I sometimes feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm the only one who just doesn't do anything

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<v Speaker 1>about these emails. Okay, so everybody is sending too many emails,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just you, but you sound like you have

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty big problem here. You're getting a lot of emails,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're also not responding to them quickly or at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So how are you going to do that? I really

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<v Speaker 1>wanted a solution that didn't require to use any new

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<v Speaker 1>tech or install any apps system that anybody could use

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<v Speaker 1>on any email software. So I'm going classic. I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>inbox zero. Well, in box zero, so that's like no

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<v Speaker 1>emails in your inbox ever, right, It's actually pretty straightforward philosophy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was developed all the way back in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>seven by Merlin Man. He's a writer, podcaster and productivity guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's basically a filing system for your electronic mail.

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<v Speaker 1>And just like it sounds, inbox zero dictates that you

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<v Speaker 1>should end every day with an empty inbox, either deleted

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<v Speaker 1>or filed into folders every single email you've gotten. That

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a lot of time spent on your email.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's some of the criticism to inbox

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<v Speaker 1>zero and systems like it, that's that it sets those

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<v Speaker 1>really high expectation and bar for people that they have

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<v Speaker 1>to do this really intense email maintenance every single day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that in all of the years that inbox

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<v Speaker 1>zero has been around as an idea, there's definitely been

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<v Speaker 1>something about backlash to it, and that's part of it

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<v Speaker 1>that it takes so much time, And people also say

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a way of feeling productive without being productive,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're just you're spending lots of time doing something,

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<v Speaker 1>but what you're doing is just your email. So I

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<v Speaker 1>get all those criticisms, and I do think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>danger that I'll spend a lot of time on it,

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm also I have to do something like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in an email emergency right now, so I think I've

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<v Speaker 1>got to try the most extreme thing I know of. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're going to become an inbox zero person. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>excited for you and your transformation, But what's the exact

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<v Speaker 1>system that you're going to follow to get to invox zero? First,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to set up rules, including folders and filters

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<v Speaker 1>on my email and even just telling people in various

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<v Speaker 1>ways not to email me so much so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get as many emails in the future that step one. Next,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get rid of everything sitting in my

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<v Speaker 1>inbox right now, which is a lot, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how long that will take. Finally, every day after that,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to assign three twenty minute dashes where I

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<v Speaker 1>can dedicate my self to allotting emails to their proper place.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like you have it all figured out. How

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<v Speaker 1>will you know whether your experiment is a success. If

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<v Speaker 1>I can spend one week and finish every day with

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<v Speaker 1>an empty inbox, I've one. I've conquered my email problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Good luck. Step one of inbox zero, make some rules.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to set up folders and filters and

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<v Speaker 1>send a message to my colleagues that I am not

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<v Speaker 1>an email person anymore. This was to try to lower

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<v Speaker 1>the sheer number of emails that I was getting. First,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to set up some folders. I got

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<v Speaker 1>the idea from a Fast Company article to make folders

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<v Speaker 1>based on time, not by subject. So the folders I

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<v Speaker 1>set up are called today, this week, this month, M,

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<v Speaker 1>and F Y I. F Y I is where everything

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<v Speaker 1>goes that you might need to reference later, but it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't require a response. I did other things to limit

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<v Speaker 1>how many new emails. I got Phil, our email expert,

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<v Speaker 1>had given me a tip if an email chain goes

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<v Speaker 1>longer than three emails, it should move to another medium.

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<v Speaker 1>So I put that rule in my email signature. This

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to be harder than I expected. This feels

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<v Speaker 1>crazy to put this in my even this to put

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<v Speaker 1>this in my I for email chains longer than three emails,

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<v Speaker 1>please call instead call her message instead. Oh this feels weird.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm going to save it. So it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like you're having a problem where you're thinking about other

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<v Speaker 1>people more than yourself. Yeah, because you're scared that you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to find someone with your email signature, when really

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing it in service of being a better emailer

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<v Speaker 1>and not because you're a mean person who hates everybody. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. I should have thought about it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, like, I'm making other people's lives harder right

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<v Speaker 1>now with my emails. So even if I make their

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<v Speaker 1>life momentarily more annoying because they have to read my somebody, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's okay, but not as much as I would

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<v Speaker 1>upset somebody by not responding to their true I did

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<v Speaker 1>a little more prep to set myself up for success.

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<v Speaker 1>Once my inbox is clear, I signed emails from important

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<v Speaker 1>people a special color in my inbox, so they showed

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<v Speaker 1>up above the noise, and I saved tem blitz for

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<v Speaker 1>the common emails I send out all the time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now it was time for step two, purging my inbox.

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<v Speaker 1>I had done everything I could think of to slow

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<v Speaker 1>down the barrage of emails I was getting, But now

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<v Speaker 1>I had to tackle my real demon, my ridiculously over

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<v Speaker 1>stuffed inbox. I had a year's worth of unread or

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<v Speaker 1>undealt with or just irrelevant emails, thousands and thousands of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did something radical and kind of controversial here,

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<v Speaker 1>something that inbox zero recommends for some people called the

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<v Speaker 1>email d m Z. What is the email d MZ?

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<v Speaker 1>This is where you basically take a bomb to your inbox.

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<v Speaker 1>I decided to wipe every email older than two months,

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<v Speaker 1>just zap it gone. If it was important and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't respond, it was probably too late. Becca. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think you could do this? Delete hundreds of emails in

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<v Speaker 1>one shot without even like checking on what they were. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I am so on board for this. I've actually wrote

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<v Speaker 1>an article about this one. I wrote an article about

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<v Speaker 1>after you come back from a vacation to delete all

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<v Speaker 1>the emails from before vacation. Just do it. There's no Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, if it's important, and I'll come back

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<v Speaker 1>up again. And if you missed it two months ago,

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<v Speaker 1>you've probably missed your window. Yeah. I think there's also

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<v Speaker 1>a nagging fear that there's just something important in there,

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<v Speaker 1>like not necessarily something I needed to respond to, but

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<v Speaker 1>some crucial piece of information that I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>delete and never find again. And I haven't tested whether

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually true, but I suspect we I think we

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<v Speaker 1>think that's true more than it actually is, Like we're

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<v Speaker 1>not storing as much valuable gems of info in our

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<v Speaker 1>email as we think we are. I wouldn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>how to find it. I was ready to lift the

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<v Speaker 1>weight of these thousands of emails off me. It was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of scary, to be honest, just get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>them all in one big select all swoop, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I just gotta do it. This is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I have thousands of emails in here, so I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to expand this window. Oh my god, this is nerve racking. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>am I really doing this? And I'm just gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I have so many emails. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even understand. Oh I got here, Okay, here we go,

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<v Speaker 1>shift click delete, delete, delete. But I immediately ran into

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. Deleting the emails was not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a one click deal. Our email system doesn't actually have

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<v Speaker 1>a select all function, so I could only select about

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<v Speaker 1>twenty emails at a time. I was going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to go through these screen by excruciating screen. This would

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<v Speaker 1>take hours. Delete delete, shift click delete. I've been deleting,

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<v Speaker 1>responding to an archiving emails for the last twenty minutes

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<v Speaker 1>and I haven't even gotten past today. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to go home and pick it up again

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<v Speaker 1>from home because this has to get done. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a shocking amount of time. While I cleared the backlog,

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<v Speaker 1>I also started in on the emails I had decided

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<v Speaker 1>to save from the past two months, responding to archiving

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<v Speaker 1>or deleting every single one. It took forever. I was

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<v Speaker 1>at the office two hours late and I still wasn't done.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I was getting exhausted. I went home,

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<v Speaker 1>kissed my sleeping kid, and got right back to my laptop.

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<v Speaker 1>At around ten thirty that night, I was finally done,

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<v Speaker 1>which is to say it took me around six hours

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<v Speaker 1>just to delete old emails and respond to her file

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that had come in the past a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of months. I'm finally done. I'm done sorting through emails,

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<v Speaker 1>deleting emails, categorizing emails, responding in to emails, and my

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<v Speaker 1>inbox is empty. I feel tired. That took way way

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<v Speaker 1>longer than I expected, even the deleting part, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so glad I did. I feel I feel like more

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<v Speaker 1>competent as a person and a worker and a manager

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<v Speaker 1>just for doing that. It's an amazing way to go

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<v Speaker 1>to bed, which I'm going to do right now because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really tired. And then my inbox was empty. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to sleep, ready to start my new life as

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<v Speaker 1>an empty inbox person. The question is what would happen

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<v Speaker 1>when new emails started coming in find out after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day, I woke up feeling like a new person.

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<v Speaker 1>I was free from all of those emails that had

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<v Speaker 1>been dragging me down. I had spent the night before

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<v Speaker 1>making sure my inbox was Christine. I walked over to

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<v Speaker 1>my desk, opened up my laptop, and there they were

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of new emails. I already had twenty two new

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<v Speaker 1>pr spam emails alone. This was not going to be easy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was time to solve the next big email problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no system for dealing with emails quickly when

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<v Speaker 1>they came in. I was done with steps one and two,

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<v Speaker 1>make rules and purge my inbox. Now I needed to

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<v Speaker 1>start on step three, keep it up. I decided on

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<v Speaker 1>a simplified version of the steps. In Box zero lays

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<v Speaker 1>out scheduling email dashes throughout the day, where you decide

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<v Speaker 1>quickly whether to file, respond to, or delete every email.

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<v Speaker 1>Since my folders would help me decide how quickly to

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<v Speaker 1>respond to things, I'd go through my inbox three times

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<v Speaker 1>a day for twenty minutes, and then check my folders daily, weekly,

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<v Speaker 1>and monthly. My first email dash of the day was

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<v Speaker 1>at ten am, and I had to deal with these

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<v Speaker 1>mailing lists. I think every profession probably has their own

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<v Speaker 1>special spam, and this is the kind journalists get. Becca.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me read you some lines from these emails. I

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<v Speaker 1>know you cover advertising business news, so I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>send this over to you right away so you have

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<v Speaker 1>the full scoop. I don't cover advertising, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a scoop? Or February is International Boost Self Esteem Month?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is a nose job? A no note for your kid?

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<v Speaker 1>Parental tips on team plastic surgery. I know you must

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<v Speaker 1>get these two. How do you deal with them? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I even got some of those exact same emails.

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<v Speaker 1>How do I deal with them? Ignore? I just let

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<v Speaker 1>them glaze like I let my eyes glance over them

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<v Speaker 1>and decide they're unimportant. It's the same way like when

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<v Speaker 1>you have a mess in your house for long enough,

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<v Speaker 1>you stop seeing it. Yeah. The reality of the situation

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<v Speaker 1>is that itomb is important things, usually not from people

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<v Speaker 1>I know, But I'll get pitched things that I probably

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<v Speaker 1>should cover. But because I have my system involves me

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<v Speaker 1>ignoring most emails, things fall through the trucks. Yeah. The

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<v Speaker 1>worst thing about these types of emails is that sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>even when you unsubscribe, it does nothing. Because I did

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<v Speaker 1>try that at first. I spent about a day going

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<v Speaker 1>and clicking on the little four point font way way

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<v Speaker 1>way at the bottom of every email. But then I

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<v Speaker 1>realized it wasn't working. I kept getting emails from the

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<v Speaker 1>same senders, so I tried something more extreme. Our company

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<v Speaker 1>software lets us block every email from a certain domain,

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<v Speaker 1>so when i'd get an email from a list I

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<v Speaker 1>knew I had already n subscribed from, they got blocked.

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<v Speaker 1>It finally started to work, and the new emails I

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<v Speaker 1>was getting slowed down. I also gingerly started trying to

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<v Speaker 1>train people to send me fewer emails that email signature

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<v Speaker 1>I had added about not sending chains longer than three emails.

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<v Speaker 1>A colleague saw it and called me a hero. And

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<v Speaker 1>one email threat that involved around twenty people and had

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<v Speaker 1>gone on for more than twenty emails, I replied to

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<v Speaker 1>it with a helpful link, explained that I couldn't add

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<v Speaker 1>anything more to the conversation, and asked to be taken

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<v Speaker 1>off the chain, and it worked. Meanwhile, I was responding

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<v Speaker 1>to the relevant emails like a machine. I couldn't stand

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<v Speaker 1>seeing my beautiful, pristine, empty email get cluttered, so when

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<v Speaker 1>more than two or three emails built up, I panic

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<v Speaker 1>and start responding. So I'm looking at around twelve new emails.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna zip right through them. Okay, I am

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to submit a podcast for an award. Why not

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<v Speaker 1>let's submit, send it done, and I'm going to delete

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<v Speaker 1>delete great, okay, An email to someone who reports to me,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm copied on, so I'm going to apply to

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<v Speaker 1>that person. So I'm saying, Hi, please do this so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get any more emails about it. Send delete.

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<v Speaker 1>I was getting really good at sponding and people were noticing.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to all my haters who were in the studio before,

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<v Speaker 1>eat their words. Have you noticed any changes since I

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<v Speaker 1>started doing endbox zero? I have It's like night and day. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, now, I you get an email and

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<v Speaker 1>you reply instantly in a way that I would never

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<v Speaker 1>have expected you to do. You are on it like

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<v Speaker 1>I have. There's some stuff where I haven't even gotten

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to like open up the email until I

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<v Speaker 1>see your replies. I feel as that you send out

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<v Speaker 1>more emails now, and when you are a part of

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<v Speaker 1>a group email that I'm also I've also been on,

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<v Speaker 1>you respond with a little more gusto than you have

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, just maybe an exclamation point here there,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely faster within the day a few hours tops. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I've noticed that you have been replying to emails in

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<v Speaker 1>a more consistent way. I even tested you. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>you were heading to the students to record and I

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<v Speaker 1>send you an email and it took twenty minutes to

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<v Speaker 1>get back to me. So I'm great at email now,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody agrees. But it turned out that there were downsides

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<v Speaker 1>to my new email obsession. I was cheating on my

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<v Speaker 1>dashes instead of sticking to my prescribed three twenty minute

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<v Speaker 1>inbox sessions a day. I was glued to my inbox,

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with emails constantly as they came in. If I

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<v Speaker 1>stepped away from a meeting, I was itching to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to my desk to clean up whatever new litter

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<v Speaker 1>was coming in or worse, I sat in the meeting

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<v Speaker 1>clearing emails on my phone. Keeping my inbox clear had

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<v Speaker 1>become something of an addiction, and my co workers were noticing.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that's happened is that your zealous emailing has

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<v Speaker 1>kind of been eating its way into the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>your responsibilities on those In a meeting, we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>and someone wanted your attention, and you were all, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I just had to answer this email. That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I was answering an email and I wasn't listening to

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<v Speaker 1>what she was saying in the meeting. He was right,

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<v Speaker 1>I was getting distracted in meetings by my email and

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<v Speaker 1>that's because by the end of the week, I had

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<v Speaker 1>become an inbox zero person. I was totally transformed. That

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<v Speaker 1>email flake my colleagues had been complaining about she was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>I just love the look of that shiny, empty digital space,

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<v Speaker 1>and I became addicted to keeping it that way. I

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<v Speaker 1>confess I even started sneaking in sessions while I was

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<v Speaker 1>at home with my family to do some quick email

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<v Speaker 1>filing and deleting. The new me loves email. You sound

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<v Speaker 1>like you really went through a transformation to someone who

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<v Speaker 1>avoided emails to someone who was addicted to emails. Would

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<v Speaker 1>you call all the experiment a success? Though, Yeah, I would.

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<v Speaker 1>I did what I set out to do. I wiped

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<v Speaker 1>my inbox constantly, and I never left the office with

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<v Speaker 1>an unaddressed email. Would you recommend in box zero to

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<v Speaker 1>other hopeless email cases like yourself. I can't unreservedly recommend it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true that being on top of your email workload

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<v Speaker 1>feels great, and honestly, before I took stock of how

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<v Speaker 1>bad my email habits where I didn't realize how much

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<v Speaker 1>it was making other people's lives harder. That I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>being responsive. But there was no way I could stay

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<v Speaker 1>on top of my emails without looking at my inbox

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<v Speaker 1>virtually all the time, and that took time away from

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<v Speaker 1>doing my real job, which it turns out is not

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<v Speaker 1>professional email checker. With so many emails coming in, keeping

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<v Speaker 1>your inbox empty is an uphill battle. And it did

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<v Speaker 1>help to set lots of filters and block emails and

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<v Speaker 1>keep some of that stuff from ever making it to

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<v Speaker 1>my inbox, but it didn't eliminate the problem. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're back to the original problem of the workplace being

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<v Speaker 1>in dated with emails and having this email problem. So

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<v Speaker 1>what's the solution to that? Becca? I think you and

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<v Speaker 1>I have to use our platform to make a plea

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<v Speaker 1>to the corporate world. CEOs, managers, frontline workers. Please please

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<v Speaker 1>let's all work together to stop sending so many emails.

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<v Speaker 1>Just stop emailing when you know a call or chat

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<v Speaker 1>message or in person talk would do the trick. Stop

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<v Speaker 1>emailing just to make it look like you've gotten some

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<v Speaker 1>work done. And please please stop spanning people with mailing lists.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the only way we can manage our workloads. And

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<v Speaker 1>I at least can stop passing my coworkers off. That

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<v Speaker 1>is quite the impassioned to please, as somebody who also

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<v Speaker 1>has an inundated inbox. I would much rather people stop

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<v Speaker 1>emailing me than go on the inbox zero journey that

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<v Speaker 1>you just experienced. But seriously, I am. I'm proud of you.

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<v Speaker 1>You've gotten your work email under control. You must really

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<v Speaker 1>feel like a new person. But I'm also wondering what

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<v Speaker 1>about your personal email? Have you mastered that too? Not

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<v Speaker 1>even close? Currently on my personal Gmail, I have let

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<v Speaker 1>me check stand two hundred and forty four unready emails.

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<v Speaker 1>That number is stressing me out. You look like you're

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<v Speaker 1>about to die. Next week on Works for Me, it's

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<v Speaker 1>our final episode of the season, we're going to update

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<v Speaker 1>you on all of our experiments we've done so far

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<v Speaker 1>and see if we've become productivity machines. Thanks for listening

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