1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon. 3 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: Podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck Sexton podcast Network. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon, and 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 3: today I am joined in studio by Kyle Olsen. He 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 3: is the founder of The Midwesterner. You can find it 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 3: at the Midwesterner dot news. And he's bringing us a 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 3: story today about something very interesting. And I find this 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 3: interesting because when I was campaigning for governor, we talked 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: a lot about whether or not people would ban things 11 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 3: across the country, and there was a big group of 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 3: people that accused me of wanting to ban things. I'm 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: not a fan of banning things. I actually think that 14 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 3: we should have discussions. We should not come out and 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: say that we are going to control society. That's not 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: necessarily the case with our universities though, And that's what 17 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: Kyle wants to talk to us about. 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: Today, right, Yeah, well, thanks for having me. Yep. So 19 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: what we want to talk about is this Michigan State 20 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: University Inclusivity guide that they put out. It was a 21 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, got a lot of national attention, 22 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: but I didn't really see any sort of in depth 23 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: analysis in what this really means for society. And so 24 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: we've got this guide here. It's nineteen pages long, and 25 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: it says Michigan State University values communications practices that support 26 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: belonging for all spartans in alignment with strategic efforts that 27 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: advance diversity, equity, and inclusion. The Supplemental Inclusive Guide is 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: a resource that provides best practices for communications on an 29 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: increasingly diverse global campus. And then what they do is 30 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: they break down these various categories of gender and sexuality, 31 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: race and ethnicity, global identity, and disability, and they talk 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: about general practices, things that you're supposed to say and 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: things that you're not supposed to say. 34 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: But see how this works on the left. 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: If we come out and we say we want to 36 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: have a discussion about pornography and schools, this is not 37 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: okay to have pornography and schools, they immediately accuse us 38 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: of you're going to ban something, You're going to prevent 39 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: people from seeing something. Nineteen pages of I mean, I 40 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: give them credit, they do a great job of an 41 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 3: aiming things. The Inclusive Guide makes you feel really good, right, 42 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 3: that's the point. That's a friendly feeling. But this is 43 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 3: a Bannwards guide. 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: It is a Bandwards guide. And you bring up inclusive 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: and which is interesting because they're saying they want to 46 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: be inclusive, but this you tell me if this this 47 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: portion right here sounds inclusive to you. So they so 48 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: they say, consider the sensitivity around United States holidays that 49 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: are celebrations of colonialism, such as Thanksgiving instead of Columbus Day, 50 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: MSU recognizes Indigenous People's Day on the second Monday in 51 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: October to celebrate the first inhabitants of the Americas. So 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: if you, as an American family support Thanksgiving, or you 53 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: your Italian for example, and you and you, you know, 54 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: honor Columbus Day, they're essentially shaming you. And they're saying 55 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: that's not acceptable. 56 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: But think about this. 57 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: Just in the last week, we've heard these people coming 58 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 3: out and saying, well, we don't necessarily need to celebrate 59 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: Mother's Day and Father's Day. You know, if you don't 60 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 3: feel comfortable with this, you shouldn't be thinking about Mother's 61 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 3: Day and Father's Day. And you know, this is kind 62 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 3: of close to me. I lost my dad last year 63 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 3: in June, and so Father's Day will be just a 64 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: few days before the anniversary of losing my dad, but 65 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: no part of me wants to say now that that 66 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: happened to me, none of you should get it. None 67 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: of you should be allowed to celebrate Father's Day because 68 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: of my personal situation. And for people who have two 69 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: moms or two dads, then you know, because that's not 70 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: my situation, you shouldn't be able to celebrate, which is 71 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: outrageous to me because I look back at my life 72 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: with my dad and think about all of the amazing 73 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 3: Father's Days that I had with him. What an honor 74 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: that I was able to do that. So at what 75 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: point did we get to all of the banning and 76 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: stopping and trying to make everyone feel so okay with 77 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: their life and being so concerned about whether or not 78 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 3: this is a day that's hard for someone and not 79 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: for me. 80 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: When do we say this is enough? 81 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: Well, and that's that's really I think the key point 82 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: is the mentality right not supposed to say there is 83 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: basically that if I don't have something, you're supposed to 84 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: say z and zerr. I think if it's not zerr mentality, 85 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: if they don't have something, you shouldn't have that either. 86 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: And so it's this sort of you know, leveling the 87 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: playing field. But instead of raising people up, they're lowering. 88 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: They're dropping people down. 89 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: I think as I look through this guide, one of 90 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 3: the usage or one of the words you're supposed to 91 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: use is LATINX instead of Latino. And because or latina, 92 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: because it includes everybody, you have to because you, I mean, 93 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 3: to be fair. It's the inclusive guide. So who am 94 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 3: I to say anything? But I've had so many people 95 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 3: of Latino sent say to me, we don't want that 96 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: to change him. That's our that's our language. Our language 97 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 3: is identifies which gender you are, and there's reasons for 98 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 3: using different words at different times. We're now trying to 99 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: change a language that is not our native language. I 100 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: guess I'm not allowed to say that either. It is 101 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 3: not you say you can't say that. The funny thing 102 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: is that, actually, since I've read this inclusive guide, I've 103 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: had so many people send me text messages and just 104 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: have regular conversation where I think. 105 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: To myself all the time, Oh, you are on the band. 106 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: Words list, and it's not words that they think that. 107 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: I mean, they're not using words to hurt people. But 108 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: I'll say one of them, you're not allowed to use 109 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: the word pow wow, and someone send a text message 110 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: the other day saying, let's have a powwow on this. 111 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: This was not meant to offend that this is some 112 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: of these are words that are a part of just 113 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: our everyday culture, and they're really they're really saying you 114 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 3: have to change and you have to feel bad. 115 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: If you say this right. 116 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: And in the gender and sexuality portion, according to Michigan 117 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: State a best practice, we hear LGBT a lot, and 118 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: then a Q was added, and then it just seems 119 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: like that keeps getting longer, and it says lgbtq IA 120 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 2: two S plus that's where we're at now. Is often 121 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: used at Michigan State to refer to lesbian, gay, bisexual, 122 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: transgender questioning and or queer intersects, asexual and two spirit groups. 123 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: There was another one in here. Yeah, you can't say 124 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 3: spirit animal. And I read this and then I was 125 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: watching that show, The Morning Show. So The Morning Show, Actually, 126 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: I will give them credit. They did a good job 127 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 3: of this because they had an episode where the weather 128 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: man was talking about the groundhog, and the groundhog said 129 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 3: that there would not be six more weeks of winter, 130 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: and he said the groundhog is my spirit animal. And 131 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: in the show, he gets off the set and all 132 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: the producers like, oh, you have to do something, just 133 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: can't say this, and he's like, I didn't mean anything 134 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 3: by it, and they go through this whole thing about 135 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 3: and how he feels bad, but he's like, I didn't 136 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: mean to offend people. And I think that we're getting 137 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: to this point where people are getting attacked for things 138 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: that they genuinely their heart space is not there to 139 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: be hurtful, and when you get these guides, it's just 140 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: it's telling people you're wrong, you're wrong, You're wrong. Do 141 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: you remember so Kyle and I used to work together. 142 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: We had a company and one of our clients was 143 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: an older gentleman and we were not on phone calls 144 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: allowed to say you guys, which is a really Midwestern 145 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: thing and I don't know, maybe other parts of the 146 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: country say this too. And we had two women on 147 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: our end of the call, and we would say, well, 148 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: you guys do this, or you guys do that, and 149 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: this guy would stop the call and look at us 150 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: and say, do you know what you did wrong? 151 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: And you felt really bad about it because he was 152 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: an older guy. 153 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: Do you remember that I do remember that. Yeah, it's 154 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: very awkward. And I think so many of these terms, 155 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: like you guys, is not intended to be harmful or 156 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: a put down or any of that sort of thing. 157 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: It just it just is the way alone. 158 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: Now women are men anyway? Why do they care? 159 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: Well? And to that point, so one of the terms 160 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: you're supposed to avoid is it says avoid the term 161 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: female as a noun for women. The pejorative term reduces 162 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: women to their assumed biological anatomy. I'm actually okay, but 163 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: why don't they say male? Why do they only talk 164 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: about female? 165 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: I mean, why wouldn't we be Why wouldn't we be 166 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: our anatomy matter? That's okay with me, that's who that 167 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: defines us in many different ways. And my anatomy allows 168 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 3: me to do amazing things like have a child and 169 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: grow a baby inside me. And I know that's not 170 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: the case for all women, but there are differences in 171 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: our bodies, and the fact that we're actually reducing women 172 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 3: to if you put lipstick on, you can be a woman, 173 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: that to me is more offensive. 174 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: Don't you see how this is just sort of luring 175 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: the lines where we don't have black and white. There 176 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: just is it's all gray now, right? And where where 177 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: does this stop? 178 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't stop with grandfather clause because that one's out. 179 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: And I think that's interesting that that's out, because I'm 180 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: pretty sure that Joe Biden has been grandfathered into the 181 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 3: White House. 182 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: In more ways than one. It's interesting too. Towards the 183 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 2: beginning of this inclusive guide, it points out that basically 184 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: this is an evolving document, which is interesting because when 185 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: I first read this story a few weeks ago, it 186 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: was on Campus Reform was the first to break the 187 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 2: story and then or to bring attention to it, and 188 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: it got picked up on Fox and you know, all 189 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: kinds of other places. But the most outrageous part was 190 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: that it said that you could not Basically, it focused 191 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 2: on I guess what I would characterize is Christian holidays. 192 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: Didn't talk about any other sort of holidays, but just 193 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 2: Christian holidays. It said, quote in winter and spring, avoid 194 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: references to majority religious imagery and language such as the 195 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 2: word mary or Christmas trees, wreaths, holly bells, gifts, reindeer, bunnies, eggs, 196 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: and chicks. Use terms like wishing you a wonderful winter 197 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: spring break. Have you ever wished someone a wonderful spring break? 198 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: I mean probably, but. 199 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: In a religion, right, not in the absence of something. 200 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 3: And the funny thing about this this is how little 201 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: they actually know about Easter, because I think the majority 202 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: of Christians would say, well, it's not about bunnies, eggs, 203 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: and chicks, you know, well. 204 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: Yes, that is true. So this story came out March thirtieth, 205 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: which is not that long ago, and the Inclusive Guide 206 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: was updated in April of twenty twenty three, which is 207 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: still right. Now these words have been eliminated, so we 208 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: can now say bunnies and chicks and Christmas trees again. 209 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: Maybe someone came to them and said, did you know 210 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: that the Christmas tree, the bunnies, eggs, and chicks are 211 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: just marketing and they don't actually have to do with 212 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: Christian holidays. And they say, oh, marketing's fine, we'll do marketing. 213 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: Marketing's good, we'll go with that. 214 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: But if words can just freely come and go, and 215 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: they are today or two weeks ago, you couldn't say 216 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: that word, but now suddenly they take it out and 217 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: you can say it again. Where how do people know 218 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: what is appropriate or what you can say or shouldn't 219 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: say if this is just constantly evolving. 220 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: I think the lesson learned here is if you are 221 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 3: at a university, you should print your inclusivity or your 222 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 3: inclusive guide once a month and make sure that you're 223 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 3: not telling people they're wrong when they're using guides or 224 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: words that may have been removed from the guide. 225 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: You never know, so they may add one too. 226 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: So my problem with these sorts of guides is basically 227 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: what they do is they are shaping the way media 228 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 2: is done. It's shaping the way you hear the news 229 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: on TV or you read a website, and then as 230 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: you consume that news, it's shaping the way you think 231 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: about things. And so this is all very intentional, and 232 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 2: so I guess my question is what to you, Where 233 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: do you think this stops and what is the practical 234 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: implication of these sorts of what I would consider sort 235 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: of the softening of society. 236 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think it stops until we are impacting 237 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,479 Speaker 3: culture and heart space and television and having open conversations 238 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 3: about this. 239 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: But on the flip. 240 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 3: Side of that, and people will argue that I'm wrong 241 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: on this, I think these are important things for conservatives 242 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: and Republicans to read and understand, because this is this 243 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: group has been taught this now and so when we 244 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 3: come out with messages, they are seen there coming out 245 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: and saying the words that conservatives specifically use should offend you. 246 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: And that is a perfect way to push people away 247 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: from Conservatives, push people away from the Republican Party. So 248 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: when we're talking about messages for elections, you have to 249 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 3: consider that this is what our young people are looking at. 250 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: Michigan had the largest number of young people come out 251 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 3: and vote. They voted for Democrats. They're hearing Republicans talk 252 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: this way, they've been taught this in school, that we 253 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: are saying the wrong thing. And honestly, as we're looking 254 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 3: at framing, we have historically I always talked about illegal 255 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 3: aliens coming across the border, and that's the framing that 256 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 3: we've used. But if you look at this, you say, 257 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: you're eighteen to twenty five year olds are being taught 258 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: this is a nasty way of referring to someone. And 259 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 3: whether that is a legal term or not, we now 260 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: know that if you frame that message differently and talk 261 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 3: about genuinely the dangers of what's happening at the border, 262 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: that kids are in danger. Little girls are being hurt, 263 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: little boys are being hurt. We have to keep people safe. 264 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: It is a different way to reach these young folks. 265 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 3: So as much as I think this is crazy, it's 266 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 3: out there. We have to know it's out there, and 267 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 3: we have to think about how you talk to these 268 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: people to bring them back to the freedoms that we 269 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 3: have in this country, and so that at some point 270 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: we can talk to them about banning things. Actually, it's 271 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: not what you want. You don't want things to be limited. 272 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: According to page eighteen, you can't say crazy because that 273 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: because that is ablest language. 274 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: I know, well, I work with you, so I have 275 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: to you're crazy. 276 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: That's anti ablest. I think. I don't know. 277 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. 278 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 3: We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon podcast. 279 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: What this does, and this is I went to Michigan State, 280 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: and I'll tell you about a story from Michigan State 281 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: in second which happened many years ago. But they want 282 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:48,119 Speaker 2: they want students to be global citizens, and they denigrate America. 283 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: America is the problem is the evil in the world 284 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: and and all of those sorts of things like for example, 285 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: and previously you could not say America in the previous version, 286 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: and now it doesn't reference America, so apparently we can 287 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 2: say America. They were, I guess, embarrassed into acknowledging that 288 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: the campus is in America and is funded by American 289 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: tax dollars. But I remember I was sitting in a 290 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: class this would have been nineteen ninety eight maybe ninety nine, 291 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: and there was a map on the wall, and I 292 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: remember the professor pointed at the map and said, do 293 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: you realize that North America and the United States is 294 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: in the center of the map, because we have a 295 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: American centric mentality, And of course I'm guessing even then, 296 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: a lot of those students said, oh, that's a very 297 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: profound point. But I thought to myself, the map maker 298 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: is probably in America. Why is this such a profound like, 299 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: why are you turning this into some profound thing when 300 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: it's you're making something out? 301 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: But no, that's funny because I remember when I was younger, 302 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: one of my dad's friends was from the UK, and 303 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: he said, when I was a kid growing up, I 304 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 3: had no idea that the UK was a smaller country 305 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: than the United States, because in our textbooks we had 306 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: the UK at one page in the United States and 307 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 3: the other page and they were the same size. And 308 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: he said, I mean, I get why they did that. 309 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: They wanted people to feel like we're a big country. 310 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: But you know, I think that's something that you see 311 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: no matter what you see, pride and country. That's pride 312 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: in your country. And I think it's important that people 313 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: respect where they live and they're happy, they understand what 314 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 3: the benefits are. I mean, I really think that we 315 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: should look at what's happening in China and Russia right 316 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: now and be honest. Gosh, we see all these articles 317 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: now saying that President g is sending a piece envoy 318 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: to Ukraine and he's this peaceful guy and he's bringing 319 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: people together. This is a man who he informed versus 320 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: human rights offenses every day. They do not care about 321 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 3: human life. We're not being honest about that. We're acting like, oh, gosh, well, 322 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 3: maybe he can take over. And the point is he 323 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 3: will if we don't start to say we are a 324 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: great country and you should be happy to live here 325 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: and you should defend our country. 326 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: But I think yes, and I totally agree. I just 327 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: think in my MSU story, there's not always some devious plot. 328 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 2: It's sometimes it's just the map maker is a US 329 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: company and they're probably selling their maps to US schools, 330 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: and it just makes sense to put it in the 331 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: center of the map. It's not because the map maker 332 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: is some what would you call them, a nativist or 333 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: a xenophobe, whatever you're supposed to say. It's just it's 334 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 2: just as a simple. 335 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: Thing, but to look through the guide and find out 336 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: what the. 337 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: Yes, so we'll get back to you. But so here 338 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: is when you think in the context of how they're 339 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 2: changing language and they're banning certain words, and they're saying 340 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 2: this is what you should say in all of that, 341 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 2: to me, it really represents the softening of society. And 342 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: there was right. Actually, basically the same day that the 343 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: Fox News story came out about this guide, State News, 344 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: which is the Michigan State student newspaper, published a story 345 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 2: March thirtieth, student journalists detail quote nerve wracking experiences with 346 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: social anxiety. People have social anxiety. I have social anxieties. 347 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 2: I think probably a lot of people do. According to this, 348 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 2: thirty six percent of adults do. That's the way it is. 349 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 2: But basically what they're saying is because some students want 350 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: to go into journalism, and a lot of students will 351 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 2: be reporters and they have to interact with people that 352 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 2: triggers anxiety, and so I'm not really sure what the 353 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 2: solution is. But one of the interesting parts of the 354 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: story that I thought was relevant to you is it says, quote, 355 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 2: often the stress of the topics student journalists have to 356 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 2: cover trigger social anxiety. The student that they're quote that 357 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: they're interviewing said the gubernatorial election is an example of 358 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: the stressful coverage. And what's for me says, well, just 359 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 2: imagine sitting in the back having to write about it. 360 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: That is very stressful. But he says, quote, just the 361 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: whole atmosphere of going because I had to go to 362 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 2: Governor Gretchen Whitmer and Tutor Dixon's last debate in Oakland University. 363 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: That was probably the most stress I've been in and 364 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 2: the most anxiety I've ever had. Everybody had their story 365 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: and I didn't, because I had to watch each person's 366 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: stuff to get the facts, and I think I almost cried. 367 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: I think I almost cried because it was so much 368 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: work on me. 369 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 3: I think in general, we're raising a generation that doesn't 370 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 3: want to have to have too much work. 371 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: But you think about that. 372 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: I will tell you going into that debate was stressful 373 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 3: for me, but I look back at those debates a 374 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 3: little bit, a little bit. There was a lot of 375 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 3: work on me, but I look back at that it 376 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 3: wasn't nasty. We didn't go after each other personally. We 377 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 3: went after policies, We talked about that in the whole 378 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 3: scheme of things. It wasn't a screaming, yelling debate. So 379 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 3: think about that. I mean, I think we had a 380 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 3: very reasonable professional debate. And this kid said he was 381 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: this stressed out about it. And you know what, I 382 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 3: kind of call bs on some of this because they'll 383 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: say this, but they mercilessly attacked me and had no 384 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: problem with it whatsoever. And I will point out that, 385 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: like we talked about earlier, I lost my dad in June, 386 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 3: and about two weeks later one of our young journalists 387 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 3: wrote a hit piece my father. So, you know what, 388 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: give me a break. These guys have no cares in 389 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 3: the world when it comes to attacking the right. They're 390 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 3: concerned about their own candidate. This is I mean, I 391 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: think it's funny that it's state news. Most of it 392 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: is actually state run media. Look at what happened with Joe. 393 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 3: He has the question on a piece of paper from 394 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 3: a reporter, And I would say, in this instance, because 395 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 3: we're hearing about these weenie reporters, we should be saying, 396 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 3: who is going to call out that woman who come 397 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 3: clearly agreed to have her question given to Joe Biden 398 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 3: ahead of time? And when are we going to say, Okay, 399 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: you can't complain about too much work on you as 400 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 3: a journalist if you're not actually a journalist these people are. 401 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: He's not a journalist because he can't sit in a debate. 402 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 3: I mean, grow a set and sit in the debate 403 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 3: and listen to two women talk about the state. But he, 404 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: I mean, how could you. You shouldn't be doing this 405 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: if this is your situation. You shouldn't be doing this. 406 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 3: If you're a big enough dickhead to go out and 407 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: write a terrible story about someone's father who they just 408 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: lost two weeks before, you shouldn't be a journalist because 409 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: you're not looking at the facts of the day. I mean, 410 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 3: I hate to say it, but this is what these 411 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 3: people are doing. This guide is the reason these journalists 412 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 3: are not capable of doing their job, because they're going 413 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 3: through and they're saying, oh my gosh, did she say word. 414 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: She's not allowed to say? Is she doing this? Is 415 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: she doing that? 416 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 3: When the reality is the people that are stopping forward 417 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: moving progress in this country are the ones who are saying, 418 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: we can no longer have the debate. You can't even 419 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: talk about it, you can't be open about it. But 420 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 3: instead we'll pick on people that we don't like and 421 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: bring up things that are not relevant and destroy them 422 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: and burn them down and not write about the actual debate, 423 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: not right about the facts that are actually having Well, so. 424 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 2: This just might be helpful to you as you process 425 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: and you're you're if you have anxiety during a debate, 426 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: So this he may have some advice here for you. 427 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 2: So this student who is a journalism master student, so 428 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 2: he already has one degree. 429 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: He's a master of nothing. He's not even a master 430 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: of his own emotions. 431 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: Can I continue? Please? He said. Here's what he said. 432 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 3: I get that I'm making you mad, but me mad, 433 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 3: But this is the this is the point. You're a 434 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 3: master of what I mean. 435 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: I don't disagree at all. 436 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 3: Disappointing to see and will say, how you know she 437 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 3: said that this kid was a weenie but really, go 438 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 3: work someplace where you don't have to be public and 439 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: you don't have to do that. 440 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: And that's the point, and so let me address that, 441 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: because that's a good point. He says, if the workload 442 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 2: gets too overwhelming, students should step away from the news 443 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: and prioritize mental health first. And here's his quote, it's 444 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: not worth me losing sleep to get this story perfect. 445 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: Don't do your job, so heaven forbid, we. 446 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: Don't need the fact check. Just put the story out 447 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: and we'll move on. 448 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 3: It's not worth it because he's a leftist, so he 449 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 3: doesn't have to get the story right right, You don't 450 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: actually have to do your job. And that's the beauty 451 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 3: of being a journalism student in this world today. You 452 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: can say I couldn't do this because of this. I'm 453 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 3: limited by that, and I had to just put out 454 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 3: what I got because my emotions. I mean, I remember 455 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 3: after the campaign there were a few reporters in Michigan 456 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 3: who had to take a leave of absence because of 457 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: their emotion. And I say to them, find a new career, 458 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 3: because journalists have been doing this since the beginning of time. 459 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 3: It is not a new profession. And if you personally 460 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 3: can't handle it, then you shouldn't be doing it. And 461 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 3: I get that it is. There are a lot of 462 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 3: emotional stories. I mean, obviously we went through Oxford, we 463 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 3: went through MSU. But you committed to this and if 464 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 3: you can't do it, then don't go to the public 465 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 3: and say feel. 466 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: Bad for us. It's so rough. Just step away well. 467 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: And again speaking and thinking about in terms of there's 468 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 2: just no right and wrong. There's no black and white, 469 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: it's everything is gray. At what point are professors and 470 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: counselors going to say, look, you have maybe journalism is 471 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: not the right fit for you. But instead they don't 472 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 2: do that, and instead what they do is they want 473 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: journalism to fit them. 474 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: No, they're like, you should all be journalists as long 475 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: as you follow this inclusive guy. 476 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: That's true. 477 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: This is how you can do it so you can 478 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: be successful. So it's been interesting. 479 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 3: I appreciate the fact that you're keeping us posted on 480 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 3: what we can and cannot say. For all of you 481 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 3: out there, I know that you're very concerned. 482 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: My attitude is you can say whatever you want to say. 483 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: If you want to follow more, where do they follow? 484 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 2: You can go to the Midwesterner dot News. 485 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: Thank you Kyle Olsen from the Midwesterner. 486 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing what we can and can't say, 487 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 3: and thank you all for joining me on the Tutor 488 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: Dixon Podcast. Always remember for this episode and others, go 489 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 3: to tutordisonpodcast dot com. 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