Speaker 1: No matter what time of day or night, the er
Speaker 1: is always awake, providing much needed support to patients with
Speaker 1: any and every kind of ailment or injury. Doctor George
Speaker 1: Russo works in a New York hospital emergency room. The
Speaker 1: margin for error in this line of work is razor thin,
Speaker 1: and since the er never closes, finding time to sleep
Speaker 1: and sleep properly is a daunting challenge for George and
Speaker 1: his colleagues.
Speaker 2: There's no plans, appointments. It's whatever comes in comes in.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're lucky enough to get a notification over the
Speaker 2: phone from the EMS, but that doesn't happen every time,
Speaker 2: so you always got to be ready to jump to it.
Speaker 2: It's a fast paced environment, so you could be seeing
Speaker 2: somebody that's having a heart attack or that is extremely
Speaker 2: sick with something, and then you get a trauma notification
Speaker 2: and something's coming in, and now the doors never closed.
Speaker 1: I wondered, with all of the chaos and urgency of
Speaker 1: the er, how someone like George is thinking about sleep
Speaker 1: and how it impacts his performance. So I asked him
Speaker 1: to recall one of his more hectic shifts and what
Speaker 1: role sleep played in its success or obstacles.
Speaker 2: All right, so it was a Monday. It was Mayhem
Speaker 2: walked into a lot of sign outs from the night
Speaker 2: prior because it was a busy Sunday night already had
Speaker 2: to handle those, but we also had new patients coming
Speaker 2: in for seven am sharp, and then patients were coming
Speaker 2: in from the clinics as well, because sometimes they have
Speaker 2: extremely high blood pressure, they get dizzy and faint when
Speaker 2: they're getting blood taken, and I'm dealing with all of
Speaker 2: those people. And then a stroke alert comes in with EMS,
Speaker 2: so you have to do all the protocol for that
Speaker 2: because time is brain, as they say.
Speaker 3: And then we had.
Speaker 2: A stab wound to the chest come in shortly after,
Speaker 2: so there is a lot of things happening. And then
Speaker 2: there was also COVID patient's coming in, so they're taking
Speaker 2: up the isolation rooms so you don't have exam rooms
Speaker 2: for the other patients, and there was there was just
Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of things going on, and we had
Speaker 2: to transfer patients for some emergencies that our hospital didn't
Speaker 2: have the specialists, so you're on the phones as well,
Speaker 2: and it was it was a day, and I think
Speaker 2: I was lucky enough that I had had like a
Speaker 2: good eight hour to sleep the night prior, like I
Speaker 2: went to bed, I don't know, probably ten pm. And
Speaker 2: since I was there at seven, I woke up at
Speaker 2: six and I felt pretty refreshed. And it wasn't one
Speaker 2: of those nights where I had to split up my
Speaker 2: sleep or I wasn't switching back and forth from days
Speaker 2: to nights. And I think it really helped me get
Speaker 2: through the day. And let me tell you that night,
Speaker 2: I certainly slept well again because I was in bed
Speaker 2: I think at nine point thirty and I didn't wake
Speaker 2: up till the next day at six.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 1: What role does our sleep play in our long term health?
Speaker 1: How deep does healthy sleep go into our biology? And
Speaker 1: how do you get consistent rest and healthy sleep when
Speaker 1: your bedtime is constantly in flux? Find out on this
Speaker 1: episode of Chasing Sleep Urgent Rest. Hi, I'm Anahad O'Connor,
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Speaker 2: So there's definitely a stress that comes with the high
Speaker 2: stress environment that's very difficult to wind down or to
Speaker 2: just leave at work. Everyone says, don't take it home,
Speaker 2: but sometimes it's not possible. I mean, when things are
Speaker 2: life and death, and when maybe there's a bad outcome
Speaker 2: of something, it's gonna stay with you.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't go away.
Speaker 1: With the intensity. There must be some payoff when things
Speaker 1: are life and death. The downside is that when something
Speaker 1: goes wrong it can be very grim, but when things
Speaker 1: go right, it must feel pretty rewarding.
Speaker 2: The most rewarding part of what I do is when
Speaker 2: family members or a patient feel better in front of you,
Speaker 2: whether it's you give them antibiotics or you give them
Speaker 2: something that helps bust a clot that is causing a
Speaker 2: stroke in their brain, and you can see them go
Speaker 2: from not being able to move one side of their
Speaker 2: body to them being able to move it within hours
Speaker 2: of them being in front of you, and family members
Speaker 2: are crying so happy, the patient's able to talk to
Speaker 2: you afterwards. That's happened a couple times, and it's extremely
Speaker 2: rewarding when you can actually change somebody's life in a
Speaker 2: matter of minutes to hours.
Speaker 1: From bustling cities to sparsely populated rural areas. Emergency medical
Speaker 1: care is a NonStop job. Hospital staff are on their
Speaker 1: feet hour after hour without respite because accidents and injuries
Speaker 1: don't follow a schedule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the physical aspect of the job, especially after a
Speaker 2: twelve hour shift, wear and tear is absolutely there. I
Speaker 2: mean there's muscle aches that felt like I was back
Speaker 2: playing sports. It's very difficult to find time to work
Speaker 2: out after a twelve hour shift, especially if you have
Speaker 2: a commute, and sometimes these twelve hour shifts go to
Speaker 2: thirteen fourteen hours if something terrible comes in rank before
Speaker 2: the end of it, and it was just it was exhausting.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was very difficult to get in a
Speaker 2: good rhythm of things as things were changing so often
Speaker 2: throughout the pandemic, and also just to get a good
Speaker 2: routine at home, to get to bed at a normal hour,
Speaker 2: to also find a way to eat in there and
Speaker 2: watch a show with your loved one, or if you
Speaker 2: have kids, to find time to be with them because
Speaker 2: they were home all day too. It's hard, it's grueling,
Speaker 2: it's fast paced, it's long days, long nights, and the
Speaker 2: schedule is constantly changing. All of that does a number
Speaker 2: on our mental functions. It's difficult enough working when you're exhausted.
Speaker 2: It becomes even more challenging when the stakes are as
Speaker 2: high as they are in emergency medicine. I wanted to
Speaker 2: learn more about what's happening inside our bodies when our
Speaker 2: sleep schedules change, and what the impact is on medical professionals.
Speaker 2: So I called up doctor Sema Cosla.
Speaker 4: I'm doctor Sema Cosla.
Speaker 5: I'm a sleep medicine physician and the medical director of
Speaker 5: the North Dakota Center for Sleep and Fargo.
Speaker 1: So you have a really extensive background in sleep, and
Speaker 1: first off, I think sleep is really challenging for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. So I wanted to get your thoughts
Speaker 1: on what do you think actually constitutes healthy sleep.
Speaker 5: So there's you know, when we think about healthy sleep,
Speaker 5: we have to consider quality, quantity, and timing, and so
Speaker 5: we want to make sure that we're getting enough good
Speaker 5: quality sleep at the right time time.
Speaker 1: Seema emphasizes the importance of consistent schedules for shift workers,
Speaker 1: and she's even gone as far as to petition hospitals
Speaker 1: to provide consistent shift schedules for their employees. There are
Speaker 1: so many people who have no choice but to have
Speaker 1: these unusual sleep schedules, you know, like our study subject today, George,
Speaker 1: who's an er doctor, and he and others like him
Speaker 1: have no choice but to work the night shift at times?
Speaker 1: How common is this And do you see a lot
Speaker 1: of patients who have to work these unusual sleep schedules
Speaker 1: and what are some of the common complaints that you
Speaker 1: get from these patients?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're right.
Speaker 5: In the medical field, also manufacturing, you know, we see
Speaker 5: a lot of overnight workers. I think the challenge about
Speaker 5: an er shift is that it's not consistent. You know,
Speaker 5: sometimes they'll be kind enough to give you, you know,
Speaker 5: a week of days and then a week of nights,
Speaker 5: but oftentimes it isn't like that, so you're constantly switching.
Speaker 5: And so a consistent shift, even if it is night shift,
Speaker 5: is better than a variable shift, right, because at least
Speaker 5: you can give your body some semblance of a circadian rhythm, right.
Speaker 3: I was wondering about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And so I've written letters before just asking
Speaker 5: can you please, like, pick a shift. We don't care
Speaker 5: what the shift is, just make it consistent, please.
Speaker 1: But picking a shift is easier said than done, especially
Speaker 1: in a field to where your day changes wildly with
Speaker 1: no control over what might walk through the hospital doors.
Speaker 2: So the schedule of an er doctor is not the
Speaker 2: average schedule. It is not a Monday through Friday, it
Speaker 2: is not a nine to five, So the average r
Speaker 2: doctor does about twelve to fifteen shifts a month, and
Speaker 2: they can be anywhere from eight to twelve hour shifts.
Speaker 2: Some in rural places do twenty four hour shifts and
Speaker 2: even thirty hour shifts, depending on the amount of patients
Speaker 2: that the hospital sees.
Speaker 3: And these shifts can.
Speaker 2: Be the morning the swing shift, or they can be
Speaker 2: the overnight shift, night to day shift. It's one becomes
Speaker 2: more difficult to get to bed in a normal hour
Speaker 2: because if you go to bed at the same hour
Speaker 2: that you did when you had to wake up at
Speaker 2: seven am, you'll wake up around seven and then you
Speaker 2: don't work again until seven pm. So I would find
Speaker 2: myself trying to push myself and stay up a little later,
Speaker 2: maybe till midnight two in the morning, as if it
Speaker 2: was a Saturday night.
Speaker 1: Frequently changing schedules, while necessary in fields like this one,
Speaker 1: makes for challenging sleep. So the switch back and forth
Speaker 1: from day to night is never easy with sleep and sleep.
Speaker 1: Especially in the emergency medicine world. We tend to be
Speaker 1: the most sleep deprived or have the most issues with
Speaker 1: sleep because of the shift work and jumping around in
Speaker 1: the schedule with twelve hour shifts. Found that it was
Speaker 1: difficult sometimes to keep a nice sleep routine because my
Speaker 1: significant other, she would get home later and I would
Speaker 1: want to stay up to see her, But then that
Speaker 1: would affect my work or my sleep pattern because I
Speaker 1: would be up till midnight and then have to wake
Speaker 1: up again the next day at six am. I found
Speaker 1: out pretty quickly that that wasn't sustainable. And then switching
Speaker 1: over to nights.
Speaker 2: We all have our different ways of trying to normalize it,
Speaker 2: but you're always going to feel kind of awful when
Speaker 2: you're switched over to nights or when you switch back today.
Speaker 3: It's because it's just like jet lag.
Speaker 2: It's like we flew, but you didn't even get the
Speaker 2: nice francifaication out of it.
Speaker 1: Nurses and doctors are so vulnerable to life threatening mistakes
Speaker 1: when their sleep is jeopardized. A tired doctor in an
Speaker 1: er or an operating room becomes a danger to a patient.
Speaker 1: My sister in law is a doctor in London, and
Speaker 1: I was quizzing her about, you know, how she gets
Speaker 1: through this, working these night shifts and going back to
Speaker 1: a regular shift, and she mentioned that at her hospital
Speaker 1: they actually won't let the doctors perform any complex procedures
Speaker 1: or surgeries overnight unless it's an emergency. If someone comes
Speaker 1: in with the gunshot or you know, a stab wound,
Speaker 1: then they have to do something thing. But if it's
Speaker 1: a surgery that they can push off till the morning
Speaker 1: or daytime, you know, they will try to do that
Speaker 1: rather than operate on someone in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: just because of the risks involved.
Speaker 5: So I think it's important to recognize that some people
Speaker 5: do great at night. That's sort of where they really
Speaker 5: perform well, and they're just naturally better at night, and
Speaker 5: some people don't. So my background is pulmonary and critical care.
Speaker 5: And so then when I would go into the ICU
Speaker 5: in the middle of the night, you write a little
Speaker 5: adrenaline so that to kind of combat the sleepiness that occurs,
Speaker 5: and you have to be sharp, and I think you
Speaker 5: push yourself to be sharp, if that makes sense. You know,
Speaker 5: people in these fields are usually high achievers, high performers,
Speaker 5: and they put a lot of demands, like I'm sure
Speaker 5: you know in the er that adrenaline also helps.
Speaker 1: You, right, And there's been a lot of research on
Speaker 1: this topic of sleep deprivation among healthcare workers. So, for example,
Speaker 1: I saw that the British Journal of Anesthesia published a
Speaker 1: study that found more than ten percent increase in life
Speaker 1: threatening events that happened in surgeries that were performed at night.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and it's risk of operator error, but also support
Speaker 5: in a hospital if something goes bad, you're minimally staffed
Speaker 5: at night. And so we used to have this lore
Speaker 5: in the world of pulmonary that if you have fluid
Speaker 5: around your lungs, it needs to be taken out before
Speaker 5: the sun sets.
Speaker 4: Was kind of what we were always taught.
Speaker 5: And then it turns out if you start doing these
Speaker 5: things at nine o'clock at night or ten o'clock at night,
Speaker 5: when no one else is in the hospital, that's not
Speaker 5: great for patients. Yeah, because then you may convert it
Speaker 5: into an emergency procedure or something like that, and calling
Speaker 5: people in from sleep, right, calling people in from their
Speaker 5: beds to help you. And so I applaud where your
Speaker 5: sister works that they recognized this.
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Speaker 1: Throughout our series so far, I've learned a lot about
Speaker 1: how sleep impacts our physical and mental performance and our endurance.
Speaker 1: I've deepened my understanding of how stress and anxiety can
Speaker 1: adversely impact our sleep as well. But speaking with George
Speaker 1: and Seema gave me a completely new perspective on just
Speaker 1: how much sleep impacts our overall and long term health.
Speaker 4: You know, it's so funny.
Speaker 5: We talk a good game in our world of sleep.
Speaker 5: Right we're saying, yep.
Speaker 4: You should be in bed at the same time every
Speaker 4: night and get.
Speaker 5: Seven to nine hours of good restorative sleep. And so
Speaker 5: what we've seen over the years is sometimes people who
Speaker 5: are night owls, we call them delayed sleep phase coronotype,
Speaker 5: So just meaning that you're just biologically right, you like
Speaker 5: to say up late and you like to sleep in.
Speaker 5: Sometimes they will find themselves in a night shift position
Speaker 5: just because it sort of fits with their circadian rhythm.
Speaker 5: But not always. We do see that there is a
Speaker 5: higher risk of cancer in night shift workers. They did
Speaker 5: a study of nurses, for example, and they had a
Speaker 5: higher incidence of breast cancer. And so it's really it's
Speaker 5: kind of amazing. I remember years ago we were giving
Speaker 5: this conference and I reached out to a cancer researcher
Speaker 5: and I wanted to talk to her about, you know,
Speaker 5: how we think sleep is super important, you know, for
Speaker 5: cancer and that sort of thing, and she kind of
Speaker 5: laughed at me. She was very kind, but I thought
Speaker 5: we were so smart thinking about this, and she's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: we've considered poor sleep a carcinogen for decades.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they were way ahead of us.
Speaker 1: As Sema says, poor sleep is a carcinogen, a mood destabilizer,
Speaker 1: and it causes many other issues and diseases. I wanted
Speaker 1: to learn more about the ways sleep is constantly affecting
Speaker 1: our health, so I asked Sema to explain the biology
Speaker 1: of sleep and everything that's happening inside us as we snooze.
Speaker 5: So rem is important for mood regulation, right, slow wave
Speaker 5: sleep or delta sleep. This is this lovely slow wave sleep.
Speaker 5: Kids get tons of this. This is where they where
Speaker 5: they grow, and where they you know, sleepwalk, do all
Speaker 5: of those things. That's probably important for us to download
Speaker 5: short term memory into long term memory. And then rem
Speaker 5: is important for us to organize and edit those memories
Speaker 5: that's just in the mind. And so if you can imagine,
Speaker 5: the brain has right all those little ups and downs
Speaker 5: and on a cellular level if you imagine it, and
Speaker 5: I'm going to borrow this from one of my.
Speaker 4: Colleagues, doctor Chuck Seisler.
Speaker 5: He was the the expert witness at the Michael Jackson trial,
Speaker 5: and this is how he described it. So if you
Speaker 5: picture it like a big city like New York City, right,
Speaker 5: You've got these big, huge, tall buildings, and then you've
Speaker 5: got these alleys, and all day long, the garbage truck is,
Speaker 5: you know, cleaning debris out of the alleys, right, and
Speaker 5: people are tossing stuff out of the windows. And so
Speaker 5: when you sleep, the buildings shrink and the alleys get
Speaker 5: really wide, and so all of that debris gets swept
Speaker 5: away much more efficiently. And when you analyze that debris,
Speaker 5: it is beta amyloid, which is one of the things
Speaker 5: that builds up in Alzheimer's right, And so sleep is
Speaker 5: really really important to that, you know, for all of that.
Speaker 5: So to your point about you know, why does sleep
Speaker 5: impact cancer growth and why does it impact ourselves? You know,
Speaker 5: we know it's important for immunity. We learned a lot
Speaker 5: with a pandemic, right. We know that if you were
Speaker 5: well rested the night before your your vaccine and the
Speaker 5: day before that you had better vaccine responsiveness, and probably
Speaker 5: just because needs to recover.
Speaker 1: Wow, So it's not just the long term, it's these
Speaker 1: immediate effects have an impact on your response to a vaccine.
Speaker 1: Fascinating analogy. So when we sleep and we have our
Speaker 1: very own sanitation department clearing the streets in our brains,
Speaker 1: think about what that debris entails. It's imperative that George
Speaker 1: has time to clear out those beta amyloid proteins in
Speaker 1: his brain so that he can get back to work
Speaker 1: and be on top of his game, saving lives and
Speaker 1: helping people when they need it the most. With so
Speaker 1: much of our health writing on sleep, I was curious
Speaker 1: about the unique obstacles that er workers like George face
Speaker 1: when they're trying to get adequate sleep. Battling this news
Speaker 1: button for an early morning shift is one thing, coming
Speaker 1: home when the sun rises, and trying to get healthy
Speaker 1: sleep in the middle of the day is an entirely
Speaker 1: different challenge.
Speaker 3: So it's actually easier to get more sleep during the winter.
Speaker 2: During the summer is when it's said it's artists and
Speaker 2: I have to keep the sunglasses on after an overnight shift. Actually,
Speaker 2: that's one of the big things on the way home.
Speaker 2: If I forget my sunglasses, I get really messed up
Speaker 2: because my circadian rhythm wants to be awake.
Speaker 3: So you got to keep it dark.
Speaker 2: And if you can get out at a time where
Speaker 2: the sun still hasn't come up, I try and like
Speaker 2: rush home as if I'm a vampire or something like.
Speaker 2: I have to get there before the sun comes up,
Speaker 2: because it can absolutely throw you for a loop once
Speaker 2: the sun comes up.
Speaker 5: You know, our impetus to sleep is driven by a
Speaker 5: couple of things. So one is that circadian rhythm right
Speaker 5: when we're biologically programmed to be awake and to fall asleep.
Speaker 5: But the other is what's called sleep pressure. So sleep
Speaker 5: pressure builds up from the minute you wake up until
Speaker 5: you go to bed. So if you are at your
Speaker 5: typical sleep schedule, they both peak to push you to sleep.
Speaker 5: But now when we're asking people to work night shift,
Speaker 5: these work against each other, right, and so then we
Speaker 5: have to accommodate. We need to drill just say, okay, well,
Speaker 5: how can we make sure that the sleep you're getting
Speaker 5: is as good as we can make it. And so
Speaker 5: we really focus on the sleep environment. Make sure the
Speaker 5: room is cool and dark, especially and quiet.
Speaker 1: So especially with these ever changing shift schedules and the
Speaker 1: on the job stresses that are the norm and the
Speaker 1: er George, what other tools are there besides caffeine? Can
Speaker 1: strategic napping, for example, help to bridge the gap to
Speaker 1: getting rest?
Speaker 3: Went on twenty four hour shifts.
Speaker 2: Now, we don't necessarily do this in the ers everywhere,
Speaker 2: but some more rural places do have to do twenty
Speaker 2: four hour plus shifts. During residency, I had to do
Speaker 2: ICU rotations that did have twenty four to twenty seven
Speaker 2: hour shifts. Doesn't sound possible and I didn't think it was,
Speaker 2: but somehow you make it through it.
Speaker 3: Now, one of the.
Speaker 2: Main ways was after the whole day to day was done,
Speaker 2: when everyone else had left you and somebody else and
Speaker 2: you would try and take shifts where you could get
Speaker 2: to nap or sometimes even get.
Speaker 3: To sleep like four hours, and it really helped.
Speaker 2: Because you had already been up since six am, and
Speaker 2: then it was about whether it was eight pm ten pm.
Speaker 3: You got to even sleep for two hours.
Speaker 2: It was lovely because at that time bed feels the
Speaker 2: best and you just want to lay down. Sometimes it's
Speaker 2: a little more difficult to kind of wind down and
Speaker 2: then you end up staring at the ceiling for a while.
Speaker 2: But to get that rest and again step away from everything,
Speaker 2: it was so necessary. I don't I'm sure there was
Speaker 2: sometimes that people couldn't do it because it's just too
Speaker 2: busy for those twenty four hours. But the exhaustion really
Speaker 2: takes a toll.
Speaker 1: And so now let's say, for like a healthcare professional
Speaker 1: who you know, maybe works in a rural area and
Speaker 1: is working overnight shift pretty consistently, what can napping do
Speaker 1: for them?
Speaker 5: Oh, so this is a really important strategy. You know,
Speaker 5: if they are on call twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 5: they can't count on being able to sleep at night,
Speaker 5: can they. And so it's important to have a strategy
Speaker 5: where if they do have some downtime, perhaps they will
Speaker 5: be able to nap. Now, normally a shorter nap is better,
Speaker 5: meaning twenty to thirty minutes, just because you don't go
Speaker 5: into all of the sleep stages. Right, But that's for
Speaker 5: people who are able to sleep at night, right. But
Speaker 5: for our er colleagues that work those twenty four hour shifts,
Speaker 5: probably the single most important thing is that they have
Speaker 5: a place where they can sleep that is away from
Speaker 5: the er, not far enough away that they can't jump
Speaker 5: up and help. But it is dark and cool and quiet, right,
Speaker 5: Like when I would leave the ICU, I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go and try and sleep.
Speaker 4: Please let me know what you need now you know,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go.
Speaker 5: I'll be back in ten minutes, like, don't page me, right,
Speaker 5: And a lot of the time the nursing staff was
Speaker 5: really protective of that time. You know, they wouldn't wake
Speaker 5: the dock up unless they needed something. And so twenty
Speaker 5: four hours of duty is a long time, and so
Speaker 5: it has to be protected as much as you can absolutely,
Speaker 5: you know, with parameters of only wake me up if
Speaker 5: you know X, Y and Z occur, and then that
Speaker 5: is devoted time, okay.
Speaker 1: And so you want to set your alarm potentially to
Speaker 1: make sure you're not going past thirty minutes.
Speaker 5: It sounds like, well, the thirty minutes isn't necessarily for
Speaker 5: this scenario. This would be we wanted to sleep whenever
Speaker 5: you can capture as much sleep as you can, right
Speaker 5: because ideally if we can get seven hours in that
Speaker 5: twenty four period, that would be amazing. Okay, you know
Speaker 5: the realities that you may not Okay, and so then
Speaker 5: a lot of the time they just they truly go
Speaker 5: without sleep for twenty four hours. And so if you have,
Speaker 5: it's a little bit like the advice we give new parents,
Speaker 5: right sleep when you can.
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