1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Chris Harry with you on the Chargers Podcast Network, 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: and it is the Backstage Chargers Podcast presented by your 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Southern California Toyota dealers. Mike and Ike are back this week. 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Kicker Michael Badgeley in defensive end Isaac Raschell sat down 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: with running back Justin Jackson. Let me just tell you 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: it was hilarious, it was informative. I know you guys 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: are gonna love it, so let's get right to it. 8 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: Here's Mike and Ike with Justin Jackson. Welcome back to 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: the Mike and Ike Show and not the Candy a 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: Show with Michael Badgeley and Isaac row Cheer. Will we 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: bring players on and we hear their story from their perspective, 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,639 Speaker 1: and today we have wonderful Justin Jackson. Yeah. Yeah, Let's 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: let's introduce this guy first. All right, Ike, here we go. 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: This guy from Carol Stream, Illinois, attended Glenn Bard North 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: High School, went to Northwestern, played running back, the running 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: back and he's a seventh round selection by Los Angeles 17 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: Charged in twenty eighteen. Justin Justin Jackson, how you doing, man? 18 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm doing great. You know. I appreciate you guys having 19 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: me on, I feel like this is gonna blow up, 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: so just in case, follow coming in hot with the 21 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: shoutouts to start. Okay, that's since since you brought up 22 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: the IG right off the bat, I gotta know, since 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: you've kind of like came on the scene, has the 24 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: IG grown? Oh, it grew a lot. It actually grew 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: a lot. Last year after the Pittsburgh game, I got like, oh, hey, 26 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: because you were starting. You were starting then because EQ 27 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: was hurt. No, No, that was that game Eck was playing. 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: So X started and then I came in. And then 29 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: the next game I think was yeah, because Kansas City 30 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: Q was hurt. That's right now, That's what I was 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: saying you, RB One. I was letting you know. I 32 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: was pumping your tires at that point, and I was 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: just trying to get like Badge, I know, listen, his 34 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: life changed that Yeah, well they've changed three different times. 35 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: It changed that game. Listen, there are times a charm. Now. 36 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: I didn't realize this, but you kind of came back 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: into the scene with the Chargers right around the time 38 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: I came in. Yeah, yep, I was on practice squad 39 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: and then I got promoted for the Niners game. Niners 40 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: game shout out to Well, here's here's the thing, all right, 41 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, this is all in Wikipedia, so if 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: we get anything wrong, blame them, not us, okay, which 43 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: is super true, which is also a fun fact about him. 44 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: He had no idea that he even had a Wikipedia page. 45 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Show I guess I made it. Yeah, well the show Man. 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: That's it. I feel like that's standard now, like for 47 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: any NFL athlete, there's like a Wiki page. It's actually 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: crazy how in depth these go. And I think the 49 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: funnest fact on here is the fact that your dad's 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: name is Phil Jackson, and then my brothers he's Phil 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: Jackson the second. So it's great. I'm sure they've gotten 52 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: a lot of Lakers slash Chicago Bulls. He's got a 53 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: whole rundown of Yeah, you know, what would you compare 54 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,559 Speaker 1: your father two or your brother? Would it be the 55 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: Bulls Phil Jackson, the Lakers Phil Jackson, or the late 56 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: dumpster fire Phil Jackson in New York? Oh? The old 57 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: the old dumpster I'm not gonna put that on my dad. Yeah, 58 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: you can't do that. Um, I mean, my dad's the best. 59 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: So which which best bulls? You had to go bulls, right, 60 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they had Jordan. I'll go with that. 61 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: All right, all right, but let's let's let's go back 62 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: to square one here, no doubt, Yeah, let's take it. 63 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: We'll go ahead. Yeah, we kind of just want to 64 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: get your story from the start. How did you get 65 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: into football? How did it all become? I mean, we 66 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: got some information here. We want to hear your story. 67 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: How did you get started? It's actually a funny story. 68 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: So my brothers two years older than me, and I 69 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: think I was eight years old and my brother was 70 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: signing up for football and we were at the Park 71 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: District and my dad's you know, signing my brother up 72 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: and everything. We go through all that stuff, and at 73 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: that time, I was just all I did was play 74 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: video games, Like all day I play video games. I 75 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: didn't go gamer. I didn't play sports. I mean at 76 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: that time, what was it? What was the game? Back then? 77 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: I was just playing like like NBA Live. That was 78 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: kind of me. And my brother had a PS one. 79 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: I think I had Xbox, like a regular Xbox, Like 80 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: this was a while ago. That's what that old announcer, 81 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: I forget the announce his name, but he goes on, yeah, yeah, yeah, 82 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: that was fun. Man NBA Live. I played you know, Madden. Um, 83 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: I didn't play a lot of shooter games, but those 84 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: were the two main ones. NABA football, Uh so that yeah, 85 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: that was fun. But so at that time I didn't 86 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,559 Speaker 1: really play sports. And then we were literally walking out 87 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: of the park district. My brother had always signed up, 88 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: like whole hour process all this stuff, and then at 89 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: the last second, like I have no idea why, I 90 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: just said, oh dad, you know, I don't want to play. 91 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: I want to plays, Like are you serious, Like we 92 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: just went to the whole Yeah. So I was like 93 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: that close, like probably never playing football, and yeah, I 94 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: just right away I loved it. I always lay running 95 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: back and yeah, yeah, I just loved it. And from 96 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: that point on, you said, give me the rock, I'll score. Yeah, 97 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: pretty much much. And at that time, like you know, back, 98 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: that's what eight nine years old, I was the fastest one. 99 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: So I just would get the ball and just run 100 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: outside every time, every time, every time. And then I 101 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: finally I'm really glad about this, actually is I had 102 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: coaches that kind of even at a young age, really 103 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: showed me like this is how you should play the position, 104 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: this is how you know, watching that's super important stuff. 105 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's a game changer. And I feel like 106 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of really bad coaches at the at 107 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: a young age. I mean it says you started playing 108 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: in second grade, yeah, like eight years old? Yeah, were 109 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: you hitting? Were you hitting? In second second grade? It 110 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: was instructional tackle, so it was like it was like 111 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: between tackle and like flag. Yeah, but you're a little kid, 112 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: like you're like, all right, you're not getting It's back 113 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: when like Oklahoma and bowling, the ring drill were still 114 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: fun to do. I remember all that stuff. Yeah. So yeah, 115 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: so that was kind of the beginnings, the beginning of 116 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: my football journey. And then you can just continue to 117 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: light it up. And then you get to Glenbard North 118 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: High School where yeah you are in good old Illinois. 119 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: You make you know, we we pumped up so last week, 120 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: but you make Zeb look like he's total trash. I 121 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 1: mean it's kind of hard to say, but oh it's listen. 122 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: I hope Zeb listens to this. It's easy to say, yeah, 123 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: you know, he was a high school president. You weren't. 124 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: But but you were a three sport athlete and you 125 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: had a GPA of five point zero. Yeah, his forty 126 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: is better than his GPS A beast. Well he's we 127 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: were laughing about it. We didn't even know your GPA 128 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: could go up. Yeah, we had honors classes. So if 129 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: you had, if you had a start of my honors classes, 130 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: you're it was weighted so you could get weighted up 131 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: to five. It's I mean, that's spoken like a true 132 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: like student. I didn't even know. It's the thing I 133 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: didn't take AP I got. I got kicked out of 134 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: an AP course. But we're not here for that. Okay, 135 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: so hold on, why did you get killed? I talk 136 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: at AP government class, and it's not because you know, 137 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: there was kind of some schools starting to look at me, 138 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: like Stanfords or whatever. And keep in mind he went 139 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: to after all that, he went to military school. Well 140 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: let's look, okay, I get it. I was getting some 141 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: looks at Harvard schools and stuff. So my GUIDs counsel, 142 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: so let's let's get some AP classes in there. I'm like, 143 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think I'm really meant for AP class. 144 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: He's like, no, I got to get them in there. 145 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: You'll figure it out for the for the resident. I 146 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: go in there the first day and the teacher. The 147 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: teacher kind of knew me, you know, She's like, this 148 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: dude's a bump. I was, you know, I was. I 149 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: was a jock in high school or whatever. I did. Well, 150 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: I got I got to college. Now I'm here. But 151 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: I get to class and he comes over to me. 152 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: He puts his hand on it my shoulder, and he goes, Mike, 153 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: I don't think you should be in this class. I mean, 154 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: I get it, and I go, I go, I go. Really, 155 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, you should definitely just get out here. 156 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: Why you can? So what ended up happening is I 157 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: stayed for one day. We took like an entry level 158 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: quiz and I totally bombed it and ended up getting 159 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: a second study hall with my unassigned solo. It was 160 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: back to back, but yeah, that was my one experience 161 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: with an AP class. So kudos to you for having 162 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: a five point oh, because I think if you took 163 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: my GPA twice it probably makes up to years. Probably. Well, 164 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: I want to hear about this Illinois high school football. 165 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm from Georgia. Georgia's got what I like to think 166 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: is the best high school football in the country. How 167 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: was it playing in Illinois? I mean, you got these 168 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: we always we were talking about this last week with 169 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: zub stats, Like the stats you had sixty five hundred 170 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: rushing yards in high school, which is I mean, it 171 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: says you were one of the most high school one 172 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: of the most successful high school running backs in Illinois. 173 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: Have you have to have some of the records in 174 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: Illinois for rushing yards, which you seem to be a 175 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: guy who holds a lot of records. But just talk 176 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: to me a little bit about Illinois high school football. Yeah, 177 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: it's I think a lot of people. I mean, because right, 178 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: you got the top states, right, you gotten don't put 179 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: Illinois in the top. Let me go ahead. You got Texas. 180 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: You know, you got California, Florida, if you want to 181 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: put Georgia, sir, it was got really good football New Jersey. Yeah. 182 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: And there's school good schools in Jersey and CAVC and 183 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: uh sum in high school. Right, But so a lot 184 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: of people don't think of ELLINOI High school. It's like 185 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: this high high lights, hided state and all this type 186 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: of stuff. And you know, I think even when I 187 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: first got to college, we had a lot of guys 188 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: from Ohio and a lot of guys from Texas, so 189 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, they always like, you know, we went he 190 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: played a high school football in Illinois and all this 191 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: is basically just talking trying, yeah, all type of stuff, 192 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: And I, like Loki took that to like heart, Like 193 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, bet we're you know, I'm 194 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: gonna go out here and show you. You know, just 195 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: because I come from the state and I played football 196 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: here doesn't mean I can't you know, I can't really 197 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: go out there and play football. You know, I like it, 198 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: And so I kind of always just took that as 199 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: like a motivating factor for me. So are you more 200 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: motivated in this interview because I was gunning Illinois football basically? 201 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I had you know, pretty good stass 202 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: on stuff. But for me, it was always about being consistent. 203 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: So like, once I got to college, want to just 204 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: show that, you know, I could still put up these 205 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: type of numbers. I can still you don't have the 206 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: type of production. Yeah, just just so we're cleared. Pretty 207 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: good stats, Yeah, pretty good. Six thousand, five hundred thirty 208 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: one yards, seventh old time in rushing touchdowns with eighty 209 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: five kidding me, Yeah, I got the ball a lot, 210 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: to be fair, so what is that. I mean, it's 211 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: a great transition because you're talking about the attitude that 212 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: you took to college. What does that look like when 213 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: you have sixty five hundred rushing yards when you think 214 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: about recruiting, like I would think that every single school 215 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: would be in there. Yeah, all right, we need justin 216 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: on top of that. It's got a five point gpa. 217 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's a no brainer. It's interesting 218 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: because it's really been like, uh, my entire life, I 219 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: was always told I was too small, it wasn't fast enough, 220 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: all this stuff, and so but you're putting up the numbers, right, 221 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: and so for me, it was always about production, right, 222 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter what my weight, doesn't matter what 223 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: my speed is, Like you see what I can do 224 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: on the football field, even going from call to the NFL. UM. 225 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: You know, I went into combine and they say you 226 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: got to do great in the combine, put up good numbers. 227 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: And I did all that. I had great combine numbers, 228 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: had great production in college, and yet I still felt 229 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: like I was a better back than where I was drafted, 230 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: no doubt. Um. So that's always just giving me that 231 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: chip on my shoulder. You know what I mean, Like 232 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: people just always underestimate me, like you know, I can't 233 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: be a really good running back, and so I always 234 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: just that motivates me and pushing me to work harder 235 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: everything all day. Well, it's obvious because, like you said, 236 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: you had it as soon as you got to college. 237 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: Your freshman year, it says here you started five of 238 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: twelve games, which is huge as a freshman. Well, hold on, 239 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: hold on a second, now, so before we go into 240 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: your college, your prolific college career is actually pretty crazy. 241 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: How did you choose Northwestern? Um? I mean, as you 242 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: guys can tell, academics was important for me, but mostly 243 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: because it was important to my family. Like my dad's 244 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: an engineer, my stepmom is a forensic scientist for the 245 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: state police. So they're very like into school and just 246 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: getting your education. Having a backup plan. Um, that's something 247 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: my step I'm always talked about, like, you know, you 248 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: have to have a plan b head the bad plan 249 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: being And that's why she was so excited when I 250 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: went to Northwestern because she knows what type of school 251 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: that was. Yeah, that is, and so my top three 252 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: was it was Northwestern, it was Iowa actually and Vanderbilt, 253 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: and basically I was like, Okay, why would I go 254 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: to Vanderbilt if I could basically get that same type 255 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: of prolific schooling and everything playing the Big Ten and 256 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: b forty five minutes from home, So no doubt when 257 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: you think about it like that and big you're still 258 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: playing in the Big Ten, right, and then you are 259 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: getting an unreal education because Northwestern is about as good 260 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: as it can get, especially in the Midwest. So that 261 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. So and then you know Illinois, right, 262 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's near South Bend. Yeah, I mean 263 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: it's Notre Dame. Never came knocking. I think they came 264 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: into my school, but they never offered nothing. That's good. 265 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: You don't want to go there anyway, exactly, I mean 266 00:12:55,400 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: I can't. We're gonna get to We're gonna get to it. 267 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: So okay, I want to talk about this though. So 268 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: freshman year you came in and pretty much you you 269 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: were a huge contributor. We're gonna get to all the 270 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: records you broke. But you had how many yards you're 271 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: freshman year eleven hundred. Yeah, you started five out of 272 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: twelve games and you still had eleven hundred yards. Yeah, 273 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: so I didn't because there was a senior ahead of me. 274 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: He's a good friend of mine, Treyvon. Shout out to Treyvon. Yeah, 275 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: so he was. He was ahead of me. I don't know. 276 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: And so we were like in the beginning, I got 277 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: like a few carries a game, like for the first 278 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: like three or four games, and I started getting more carries, 279 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: and then by like game seven or something, I was starting. 280 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean he was still playing a good amount too, 281 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: but I was starting. And so yeah, that year was 282 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of ups and downs, and uh, 283 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: we weren't. We didn't have a great year. I think 284 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: we ended up going five and seven. I mean, you 285 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: beat one of the best teams in the country historically 286 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: every year we did. We did, we did be Notre Dame, 287 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: and then a few weeks later we lost to you I, 288 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: who was not a great team. So yeah, that's on 289 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: you guys. It's come and I'm easy looking back now 290 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: that like we know each other. It's funny looking back 291 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: because that was just such a devastating loss for us, 292 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: and because you guys are rolling. We were well. We 293 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: went six and oh and then went on a five 294 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: game losing streak. Oh, but I'm saying it was devastating, 295 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: but little losing like that. Oh, I mean you maybe you, 296 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: but uh to your college career continued to be great though, 297 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: I mean you can. I'm gonna let you tell us. 298 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: I haven't written down, but I want to hear from 299 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: you the records that you set in college. You know, 300 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: you can pump your tires, you know, talk to come on, 301 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: talk to him, come on, let us know. So I 302 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: think I was one of two backs and big ten 303 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: to have four one thousand our seasons. Yep, I'll just 304 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: I'll check off the It was Ron Dane run of course, 305 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: and the other one who ended up he ended up 306 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: like seven thousand yards rushing total, so it wasn't even 307 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: close to that. Um, but I end up being I 308 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: think third behind Ron Dane and uh Archie Griffin. It's true, 309 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: just too haven't written down right to you know, obviously 310 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: unbelievable Hall of Fame type running backs. Um and what 311 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: was that? I don't know if there's all timely rushurer 312 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: in Northwestern Yeah, you had that on your back. And 313 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: I have to say about that is the backs that 314 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: I ended up passing where Damon Anderson, whose son now 315 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: plays in Northwestern. He's a good friend of mine, and 316 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: he was unbelievable back. He was a Heisman Trophy finalist. Um, 317 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: and he's he's top on all time rushing. Yeah, he's 318 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: he I think he's like, he's top twenty today, he's 319 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: top twenty. And then Darnell Autry is another great running back. 320 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: So in Tyrell Sutton, who I watched when I was 321 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: growing up. So it was just it was amazing to 322 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: pass these guys who like I grew up watching and like, 323 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: I'd watch film on him and be like, you know, 324 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: trying to take a little bits and pieces from their 325 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: game and adam to mind. So it's it's very surreal 326 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: to do stuff like that, all right, guys. 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It's like I said, these 344 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: are like when I was growing up, I would just 345 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: loved just watching film of great running backs and I 346 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: felt like I could just take just a little parts 347 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: from their game. And obviously I'm my own unique back, 348 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: but I feel like I'm a kind of an amalgamation 349 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: of a bunch of different running backs. I mean, shout 350 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: out to Northwestern for the vocal board, no clue that means. 351 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: But seriously, whatever you did work because like like we're 352 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: talking about the stats, I mean you showed up and performed. 353 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: And I have one more question about Northwestern the rotterie. 354 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: As we say that you had with your teammates. It 355 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: seems like it's the same as Notre Dame, were you 356 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: have a unique brand of player that goes to Northwestern 357 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: and so you walk in the locker room and you're 358 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: looking around and you're like, I'm just like this guy. 359 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm just like this guy. So talk to us a 360 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: little bit about the chip that you guys all had 361 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: on your shoulder, pinched try bull, these bowl games that 362 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: you went into, how did the rotterie like contribute to that? Yeah, 363 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I came in at a great 364 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: time for Northwestern because we were really coming up. Two 365 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: years before I got there, we win the Gator Bowl 366 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: against Mississippi State, who at the time had Dak Prescott 367 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: on the team. So that was a really big, big 368 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: win for our program. Anytime you'd beat an SEC team, 369 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: it's huge like that, it's a big one. It's not 370 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: gas the SEC up like that. They're they're they're pretty. 371 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: They're people worship the SEC. Pretty who was the latest 372 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: national champion? Okay, we still you can't's a big deal 373 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: just because there's one ACC team. That's one one Clemson. 374 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: Don't forget about the you baby, Okay, all right, but 375 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: we serious at the top doesn't mean it brings the 376 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: whole conference. That's saying he's blinded by the turnover chain. 377 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: They're not that nice. Don't disrespect to you, That's all 378 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. We can keep talking. 379 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: Just don't disrespect to you like that. We don't have 380 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: like way too many hurricanes RT we won't, I mean, 381 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: same thing, and Notre Dame. So okay, So north northwesterns climbing, 382 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: northwesterns climbing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I came in at a 383 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: great time. I I feel like um, and so I 384 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: think all of us really wanted to just prove that, 385 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, we were here and we're not just you know, 386 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: a Northwestern team you're gonna show up and just run 387 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: through us, you know, like it was in the past. 388 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: And so I think we all had that chip on 389 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: our shoulder to go out there and and really perform 390 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: and beat these teams we're not supposed to beat, you 391 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so I think it's great 392 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: to be in that type of environment and where you 393 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: feel like you're all pushing each other and you're you're 394 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: the underdog. You go in there, you know, you guys 395 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: might not know what that feels like when you're in 396 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: the underdog. You're going in there. Everything kicked, you know 397 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: what I mean? I mean I think I'm an underdog 398 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: every every Sunday. Yeah, but you know you could kick 399 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: the ball. What was the record kicking? I mean, we're 400 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: not we have we have a sound bite. A matter 401 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: of fact, talking to sound bites. I want you to 402 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: listen to something. I don't want you to tell me 403 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: what you think of A little trivia question. Northwestern and 404 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: this sound put them together? What do you think of? You? Small? 405 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: You loyally? Okay? I appreciate I talk to me a 406 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: little bit about Okay, did he motivate Northwestern? And if 407 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: you say no, you're lyne because I'm gonna read something 408 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: to you. Did he motivate us? On December twenty four, 409 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, I don't know who you were playing, but 410 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: you were playing in Tampa. You tweeted, shout out, DJ 411 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: Khaled would love for you to be in Tampa January 412 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: first to watch our game. You have been a major 413 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: key on our pathway to success this year. Bless up, Yeah, 414 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: bless up. I got listen. I barely remember tweeting that's 415 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: terrible looking back at him. Oh maybe maybe it's because 416 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, at that time, like he was, he was 417 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: really big, like major key and all that type of stuff, 418 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: and he'd always would put those stories up. And I 419 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: think he was in my Was he in South Beach 420 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: or Miami? He had said he was in Tampa. Yeah, 421 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 1: so you know, sorry, I guess I just wanted him 422 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: to show up to the game. I'm glad he didn't 423 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: come because we got completely thrash that game. It's out 424 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: of character for Northwest, it isn't. We didn't show up 425 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: that day. We actually ended up playing Tennessee, who at 426 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: the time had Kamara on the team, and he just 427 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: destroyed us. So he's a beast. He's another good running back. 428 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: Not to brag on you some more, but you are 429 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: ahead of him in all time rushing for college football. 430 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: So whatever that's true, that's true. Um, But looking at 431 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: these stats, what kind of fast forward? Um, you look 432 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: at the running backs that are in the top for 433 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: all time rushing rights when we were looking at it 434 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: this morning, these guys were drafted first round, second round, 435 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: third round, fourth round, fifth round, sixth round. Not many 436 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: top ten guys were seventh round. I think there's one 437 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: and it's Justin Jackson. Talk to us a little bit 438 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: about that process. Was it frustrating? What were your expectations? Yeah? 439 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: I think it was frustrating, um, especially because you know, 440 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: I went to the combine. I felt like I did 441 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: really good I had. I was like top five and 442 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: a lot of different categories. I was like tied for 443 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: six on the forty time him and all the type 444 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: of stuff. So I felt like I did everything I 445 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: could and I had to do to kind of improve 446 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: my draft stock or whatever. Talk to talk to him. 447 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: We did this with his job. But let's read these 448 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: freakish numbers, because you just said I think I had 449 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: a pretty good draft. I had a pretty good uh everything, 450 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: and you okay, mister fifty five hundred fifty five hundred 451 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: wresting yards on top of this in the Big ten, 452 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, sorry, let me let me let me 453 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: read these numbers out for you. Your forty yard dashes 454 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: A four five, you're four to five guys. Coach to stage, 455 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: I will say, I round down your four four nine, 456 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: and you got foot, you got football, you got you 457 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: got you got football speed. So if someone's chasing you're 458 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: probably right around a four two for one. Who knows 459 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: no give Your three callum was a six to eight one. 460 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: Your vertical jump was at thirty eight and a half 461 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: inches elite. That's that's elite. That's elite. Your bench pressed 462 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: through thirteen rips, I was like, what did you get? 463 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: Like five? I got twenty five. But I'm also a 464 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: day line, big strong. Your broad drump was ten foot 465 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: two inches, So you're coming from the big ten. You'll 466 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: five hundred, and you've put up these numbers, so in 467 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 1: your head you're thinking, yeah, I'm gonna be maybe day one, 468 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: day two kind of guy. Yeah. I mean that I 469 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: think that just goes to show and and this is 470 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: why I always think that's that of like the majority 471 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: of the NFL is like lower drafted guys to undrafted guys. 472 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: Is because I think the whole draft process is like, um, 473 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, who looks the best, or who has the 474 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: measurables or who you know they think they can mold 475 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: into this type of player. And I think they look 476 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: past a lot of like just football, like a good 477 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: football player, And that goes to you know, how you like, 478 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: what does your film look like in the games? I mean, 479 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: I think they just look for. Like these freakish athletes 480 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: get like first round, second round grades a lot of times, 481 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: not even really off what they did in college is 482 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: about what they think they could potential, right, And that's 483 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: why I think you see more or guys in the 484 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: top rounds that you know don't end up working out, 485 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: and more guys not only do they have a chip 486 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: on their shoulder when they're a lower draft pick, they 487 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: feel like you really have to work harder to get ahead, 488 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: but also like these are really good full of players 489 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: who maybe just didn't have this measurable that you know, 490 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: this Scott was looking for or something like that, you 491 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that's kind of how I felt, 492 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 1: and like I said, that just added motivation to me 493 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: coming in to the Chargers. So you're sitting around on 494 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 1: draft day, Yeah, and I'm sure you're like, this could go, 495 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: this could go either way. What are you thinking? Well, 496 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: it was wild, you know, and I figured I wasn't 497 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: gonna gonna go day one and day two, like I'm like, 498 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, shoot, you know I might get that phone call. Yeah, 499 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: I might get the phone call, you know what I mean, 500 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: and then the host, so you don't, you know, not 501 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: day two, and then Day three, I'm sitting around like, Okay, 502 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna call today, fourth round, fifth rounde, I'm 503 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: definitely gonna call whatever. And then I it's literally fourth fifth, say, 504 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm haven't got a call, seventh round, and it's like 505 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: the last five or six picks, and so at this 506 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: time I'm like, Okay, I'm probably not gonna get drafted. 507 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to pick it till like I don't 508 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: want to be missed irrelevant, right, you don't want to 509 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: be not get picked. And but yeah, it was. It was. 510 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: It was a crazy three days, like super stressful. When 511 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: I finally got that called a charger, it was like 512 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: one of the teams I really wanted to go to. 513 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: I always wanted to be on the West Coast because 514 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: I've just been in Chicago my whole life. So it 515 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: just it really worked out perfectly. Well, I will say this, 516 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, as sad as you guys may have been 517 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: on your Day three, Okay, you guys, get a phone 518 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: call here seventh round picks. I'm still sitting there, are 519 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: waiting to pick a team. You know, I didn't get drafted. 520 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: I called myself an eighth rounder. Okay, that's what it is. 521 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: You are, mister irrelevant. No, no, no, no, those guys 522 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: get that guy's actually drafted. I was just sitting there. 523 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: I had to pick a team. So for you guys 524 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: to actually get a phone call, it's a blessing. Listen, 525 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: we're both seventh rounders. We share the same birthday, a 526 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: twenty second, we share a lot of things. It is 527 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: a blessing to bless to get drafted. And you can 528 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: be so frustrated. I was so frustrated for two days. 529 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not getting a phone call. Granted I 530 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: had four sacks in my whole career, I shouldn't win 531 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: any higher than I did. But when you finally get 532 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: the phone call, so you're like, it's the best thing 533 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: in the world. Everything's out the window. Let's go enjoy this. 534 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: This is huge, huge for the team. Um so I 535 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: definitely feel you. Yeah. And then now that you've been here, 536 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: what's it been like being a seventh rounder, trying to 537 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: prove yourself, trying to overcome the odds, started on practice squad. 538 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: Now we're here, talk to us a little bit about me. 539 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: I was just because last year during training camp, you know, 540 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: I entered my hamstring, and so I wasn't able to 541 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: play until the last game, and I was like, so 542 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: I didn't really play that well, and so I was 543 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: just happy that I was still around, you know, because 544 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: you know a lot of a lot of times when 545 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: you get hurt, you don't get that opportunity to really show, 546 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, improve yourself. So I was just happy to 547 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: be here. I didn't care a practice squad, I didn't 548 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: care anything anything up. And so once I finally got 549 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: healthy and um, you know, I was able to you know, 550 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: practice and really show what I could do. It took 551 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: what three or four weeks before I got the call up, 552 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: and I just felt I just felt like I could 553 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: just put my head down and work and show them 554 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: what type of back I could be. Um, you know, 555 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: then I could put myself and get get an opportunity. 556 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: And and then I played three or four games just 557 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: on special teams, never getting any reps. And then you know, 558 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: we had injuries and I had to step up and 559 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: it was you know, Pittsburgh Sunday in that game, Um, 560 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: how bad some MVPs from the game. But you guys 561 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: can get bad, yeah, bad knows when you get that 562 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: opportunity and he you know, and bad obviously was here, 563 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: and then you were on practice squad. Oh yeah, and 564 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 1: then you got called back and you just you have to, 565 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: you know, do your thing when your number is called. 566 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: And I'll say this, I'll say this practice squad for kickers. 567 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think about the best job. It's 568 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: got to be the best peace squad kicker. I was like, ah, sure, 569 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: what throw me on there for us. We're like, all right, 570 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: what can I do at practice? You got older guys 571 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: telling you to slow down? Like what can I do 572 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: at practice to prove myself? Because I hate being on 573 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: practice squad. Yes it's a great job. Yes I have 574 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: an unreal opportunity, but I don't want to be on 575 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: practice squad. And everyone wants to play, Yeah, everyone wants 576 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: to play. But as a kick, it's the best job, 577 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: no doubt. But yeah doubt. But that Sunday night game 578 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: when you got that touchdown, I was it was exciting man. 579 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: All I remember it was just like pure Joey because 580 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: I felt like it was I had worked so hard, 581 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: been through injuries, all this adversity, and then I finally 582 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: had a moment and it was just like the culmination 583 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: of like, okay, continue, I'm sorry you felt the inner 584 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: d I felt it, and I felt it um and 585 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: so yeah, it was, like I said, just a really 586 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: great moment. And now I'm just trying to build upon that. 587 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: I'm upon this offseason, upon this you know, training cam 588 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: and everything and and really put a you know, carve 589 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: out my spot on this offense because we have so 590 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: many weapons, as you guys know, so just trying to yeah, 591 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: cover my fought in this offense and and and be 592 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: a factor, which you are you and ec kind of scary, 593 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. The due and it's and you guys 594 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: have a unique, unique opportunity this year. But I mean 595 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: you'd degree like you have total confidence in you or 596 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: e especially after last year. Yeah, and that and that's 597 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: what's so great. It is like we kind of had 598 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: this like try this like run through of this right 599 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: when meling down it was you know, me an egg Yeah, 600 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: and so we kind of had this like due already going. 601 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: And now it's kind of just a continuation of that. 602 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: And you know how it is like even with you 603 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: the NFL, you always got to be ready, yeah, always, 604 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: And so you get your shot and you're like all right, 605 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: let me ball. It happened with you last year? You 606 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 1: got a call after hanging out on the couch for 607 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: five weeks. Oh yeah, I was hanging on my buddies 608 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: in Hoboken, plan plan you planned your Dublin trip, then 609 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: just hanging out. Oh yeah, that was booked back in September. 610 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: But now, uh, I was just hanging out of my count. 611 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: You get a call, hey, come try out or come 612 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: work out for those chargers. And then I, you know, 613 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: I had just flown back from Oakland from a workout. 614 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: So then I come back and I'm like, I really 615 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: got to fly out to California again. So I said, 616 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: all right, might as will make this one count. So 617 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: they liked me enough to keep me around, and yeah 618 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: that was money bad He's a staple. Yeah, now it's you. 619 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: You're you're one of the few. Why did you buy? 620 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: Oh you got a badger. You gotta support your I 621 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: have one of keenan specters too, like you gotta support 622 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: your teammates. He gets it, you know, I mean, I 623 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: get Do you have a clothing line? I don't. So 624 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: you guys like this on your team though, you need him. 625 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: Mister fifty five hundred every once in a while. Um, 626 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: why don't you give yourself a little shout out? I 627 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: like to ask people this. We were talking about asking 628 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: people this, like what do you have going on? You 629 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: already gave your Instagram a shout out? Are you selling apparel? 630 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: Talk to us a little bit about what's going on? 631 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: Oh man, you know, I'm not. I am working on 632 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: a lot of these things, right I'm working on getting 633 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: that type of stuff. Um, right now, I don't really 634 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: have anything, so just yeah, following on social media pages. 635 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try have a cameo. I have a cameo. 636 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: So if you want to a shout out or any 637 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: type of you know, video or something like that, book 638 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: me on cameo. Um. I love interacting with the fans 639 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: and everybody. So yeah, I really appreciate you guys having 640 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: me on those. Hey you're a great guest man. You 641 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: got the updated studios up. I was gonna be pissed 642 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: at this. It feel so official, but oh yeah, thank you, 643 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: See you guys later, go bobbles baby. All right, guys, 644 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us. 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