Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: Hi everyone, it's me James and I'm joined by Sharen today,
Speaker 2: and in a rare instance, we are not discussing something
Speaker 2: terrible and sad. It seems like most of the thinks
Speaker 2: Serene and I talk about. But it's a fun episode today,
Speaker 2: isn't it, Shreen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in a good mood, which is crazy to
Speaker 3: say these days, but I'm happy to be here. I
Speaker 3: love to be the podcast dummy. I love to have
Speaker 3: things talks to me at and I listen too. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: that's interesting.
Speaker 2: You've crushed it. No, we won't be taking that again.
Speaker 2: Let's go from there. I don't want everyone to think
Speaker 2: Seren is dummy. Suren's very intelligent, but we are making
Speaker 2: a podcast today about touching grass. A thing that some
Speaker 2: people need to do has become apparent. I've been on
Speaker 2: the internet. I think some people need to go outside. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and even if you're not saying the stupidest shit imaginable
Speaker 2: on Twitter, I still think it's actually really good for
Speaker 2: you to go outside. Like, I know, this seems to
Speaker 2: be an episode I do every couple of months, but
Speaker 2: every single time I have to go and do something
Speaker 2: traumatic or scary or upsetting for work. I just book
Speaker 2: a few days afterwards to be by myself in the
Speaker 2: mountains camp and sort of just not particularly like trying
Speaker 2: to do massive miles on a trail, just being outside.
Speaker 2: And I find it's the most healing thing for me.
Speaker 2: It's how I process all the things that I have
Speaker 2: to see and hear about for work. And I want
Speaker 2: you to do that too, podcast listeners. Yeah, and Serene,
Speaker 2: I want Shrean to do it.
Speaker 3: Nature is healing, it is, and that makes sense that
Speaker 3: that's where you go. It makes total sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to be comfortable, like you know,
Speaker 2: if you're scared sleeping alone outside in a tent by yourself, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not going to be healing for you. And I
Speaker 2: can see that. I'm a white dude, right and I
Speaker 2: go through the outdoors just like I go through everywhere
Speaker 2: else's white. You know that means that something different experiences. Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: we have. That's why sociore is you to think anyway,
Speaker 2: I want to talk today just about hiking or walking
Speaker 2: or rambling or hillwalking or you know, you could call
Speaker 2: it any of the things that you want, just because
Speaker 2: I think it is probably the most successible way to
Speaker 2: get outside for most people. Right, Like I could talk
Speaker 2: about cycling. It's been a lot of my life cycling.
Speaker 2: It's expensive and confusing for people.
Speaker 3: So in your equipment, you know, hiking, you just need
Speaker 3: to get outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like you probably if you're able to move
Speaker 2: under your own power now, then you can probably go
Speaker 2: for a walk. I'm going to talk about equipment in
Speaker 2: the back half, but I think if you're a lot
Speaker 2: of people seem to have a lot of questions about
Speaker 2: backpacking equipment, so we'll cover that. But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: for most people, just like setting the intention of going
Speaker 2: for a walk would be a massively beneficial thing. So
Speaker 2: I want to encourage you to do that. To start
Speaker 2: of summer, if you're in the northern hemisphere, if you're
Speaker 2: in the southern hemisphere, it's a start of winter, you know,
Speaker 2: you can still get out there. And so to start
Speaker 2: off with, I wanted to talk about finding a route,
Speaker 2: finding a place, picking a route to go hiking. Did
Speaker 2: you go hiking very much?
Speaker 3: I actually do. I do like a hike. I like
Speaker 3: a hike. I've gone backpacking once and I really liked it.
Speaker 2: Where did you go backpacking? Oh?
Speaker 3: Hi?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wow, Yeah.
Speaker 3: That'd be a cute little place. But it was so
Speaker 3: hot and I almost passed out. I should have done
Speaker 3: it in a different day. We should have done it
Speaker 3: a different day. But I do love to hike. I
Speaker 3: like to be outside. I'm not like the most outdoors
Speaker 3: a person. I wish I knew how like how to
Speaker 3: make a fire or something, or like I wish I
Speaker 3: was like a scout.
Speaker 2: There's lots of shit that you don't want to be
Speaker 2: involved with in the scouting movement, Surrey.
Speaker 3: Oh really, Okay, I take that back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably inducing behind the bus just for.
Speaker 3: A scout, Okay, I will do that. I did not,
Speaker 3: But what I mean is like I really like being outside,
Speaker 3: and I have like the bare minimum of like equipment
Speaker 3: that I need for that kind of stuff. I used
Speaker 3: to get really intimidated that I didn't know as much
Speaker 3: as I thought other people did. But I don't think
Speaker 3: anyone knows as much as they think they do.
Speaker 2: Absolutely no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that made me feel better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like the outdoors are super humbling sense right,
Speaker 2: Like you think you know it all, you don't, and
Speaker 2: at some point you'll get humbled or hurt. So it's
Speaker 2: good to always have a bit of respect, yeah, for
Speaker 2: the outdoors and mother nature. I've seen some people who
Speaker 2: do not. It can end messily. Seen some people who
Speaker 2: learn to climb on YouTube really get to grips with
Speaker 2: YouTube not being the same as going outside. I guess
Speaker 2: if I'm starting off, if you're picking a route, and
Speaker 2: I think probably the best way to do it is
Speaker 2: I discovered this recently. Lots of these modern smartphones have
Speaker 2: a step counter in them. Even if you don't have
Speaker 2: a fancy watch that count steps, your phone does it
Speaker 2: for you. I think that's a really good way of ascertaining,
Speaker 2: like how far you walk in a regular day? Right,
Speaker 2: I was thinking about, like how far do most people walk?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know a fun fact about me,
Speaker 2: I would love to ushering.
Speaker 3: I purposely have never ever opened that app or activated
Speaker 3: it to know how many steps I walk because I
Speaker 3: know myself and I know I would get like hyper
Speaker 3: fixated on it, and I did not want to be
Speaker 3: confronted with the days that I just sit on my
Speaker 3: ass all day, you know, and so I have never
Speaker 3: ever activated app.
Speaker 2: That's a great stream. I'm proud of you for knowing
Speaker 2: that that would be good for you.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just know myself, it wouldn't be a
Speaker 3: good thing for me. I think it's a good thing
Speaker 3: for a lot of people to like get them motivated
Speaker 3: and stuff. But sometimes it's also a negative to being
Speaker 3: too focused on the numbers and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, especially like if you're someone who's had like
Speaker 2: a relationship with exercise, it wasn't healthy for you before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's also part of it too, that
Speaker 3: was my experience. I'm sorry, are you the things to
Speaker 3: had that just happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yeah, I'm glad that you have a good
Speaker 2: relationship with it now. But yeah, for people who you know,
Speaker 2: if that's not for you, that's not for you. I'll
Speaker 2: say that.
Speaker 3: But I just think it's a fun fact. I don't
Speaker 3: know anyone else that has not, Like, I'm terrified of
Speaker 3: the app. I have not even opened it. When you
Speaker 3: go to my health app, it says welcome, like it
Speaker 3: doesn't even you know what I mean, Like it's not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did think you've got a brand new phone.
Speaker 2: I was going to suggest to all trails because A
Speaker 2: it's got a very complete list of trails, and B
Speaker 2: I noticed I had a wheelchair for Yeah, I was
Speaker 2: looking for wheelchair accessible trails for someone the other day.
Speaker 2: You can just filter on all trails, like you can
Speaker 2: find the ones that don't have steps or excessive rocks
Speaker 2: or something. So like, if that's something you're looking for,
Speaker 2: I think that could be really handy. And other little
Speaker 2: tips for picking your root. If you try and set
Speaker 2: off early a, you're gonna not deal with big crowds
Speaker 2: of people be Animals are almost always more active at
Speaker 2: dawning dusk. I have been trail running a lot recently,
Speaker 2: and I love to trail run right when the sun's
Speaker 2: coming up. It just feels like it's nice and I
Speaker 2: see little animals. Don't see as many snakes. I like
Speaker 2: to see a snake.
Speaker 3: The weather is probably like the best it's going to
Speaker 3: be that day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, especially as it gets hotter, right, Like
Speaker 2: if you're not necessarily doing a lot of exercise right now,
Speaker 2: and then you go for you know, even a short
Speaker 2: hike in the middle of the day on a hot day,
Speaker 2: you can put yourself in the box. And like I
Speaker 2: think I've heard before that like the vast majority of
Speaker 2: trail rescues are like on front country trails, like five
Speaker 2: or ten believe.
Speaker 3: That people get confident.
Speaker 2: I guess that in mind. If you're heading out on
Speaker 2: a little front country hike, I would say some things
Speaker 2: to bring would be we'll go over like equipment, boots,
Speaker 2: stuff like that. If you if you're like getting more
Speaker 2: into it, but you're heading out on a little first hike.
Speaker 2: If as long as you have a bag with some
Speaker 2: water and a phone and some shoes that you like
Speaker 2: to wear that they're comfortable for you, I think you'll
Speaker 2: be fine. And I think they bring a snack. Snack
Speaker 2: is always a good thing to have. It's nice to
Speaker 2: have a little trail snack and yeah, I love a
Speaker 2: good rectangular food. But yeah, if you don't have water,
Speaker 2: that's like fourth of July last year, someone didn't bring
Speaker 2: water for their dog, and I remember the dog was
Speaker 2: in like severe Yeah. No, it was one of the
Speaker 2: stupider things that I can't think of a year here
Speaker 2: where I haven't been running or riding on trails and
Speaker 2: seeing someone forget to bring water for their dog.
Speaker 3: Terrible. I hate that. Yeah, I don't like I see
Speaker 3: like sometimes there's like a communal stops for pets, but
Speaker 3: you can't count on those, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally I don't really count on any of those
Speaker 2: things working, you know, like water fountains, Like, don't be
Speaker 2: reliant up on a water fountain, take a little water bottle.
Speaker 2: You'll be so much happier. If you want to find
Speaker 2: people to hike with, I've had pretty good like with
Speaker 2: a meetup app. I used to climb by some people
Speaker 2: from meet up here in San Diego, and like climbings
Speaker 2: are fairly like high trust endeavor if someone's belaying you.
Speaker 2: I definitely met some people there who are very capable
Speaker 2: and we had a great time climbing outside. Meetup seems
Speaker 2: to be pretty good for that kind of stuff. ARII
Speaker 2: also often has free like they'll just take you out
Speaker 2: for a hiker really hiking sessions, and I know they
Speaker 2: have like yeah, yeah, yeah, they they seem nice. They
Speaker 2: have like fem ones that women transferm people can go
Speaker 2: and sist news can't go, which is fine, you know,
Speaker 2: like it's probably a nice thing for some people feel
Speaker 2: a little safer and more comfortable there. They have one,
Speaker 2: so they're just open for everyone. I think that's a
Speaker 2: dude's only hike, which is also fine. So those are
Speaker 2: some places to meet people. I think it's always nice
Speaker 2: to go with someone, especially if you don't feel confident
Speaker 2: or you don't feel like the outdoors are a place
Speaker 2: where you're look comfortable. It's nice to go with even
Speaker 2: if it's someone who has the same degree of knowledge
Speaker 2: and background in it as you, like they can rationalize
Speaker 2: your fears.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're alone and like you get lost or
Speaker 3: you feel panic, it's so much worse than if you
Speaker 3: had like a friend with you. It only happened to
Speaker 3: me once and I was on trooms, so but I
Speaker 3: won't get into that. But it was scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then maybe you'd leave those a home if if
Speaker 2: you're going out first maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you don't need those if you're by yourself,
Speaker 3: especially Just take it from me. Please don't go on
Speaker 3: a mountain and take too many things and panic the
Speaker 3: whole way home.
Speaker 2: I want to hear this story afterwards.
Speaker 3: It was my thirtieth birthday in twenty twenty, so everything
Speaker 3: was closed. I tried to go and touch grass games
Speaker 3: and I had had a spiral.
Speaker 2: He nearly touched it with your face as you fell
Speaker 2: down the mountain on your stream trip. Yeah, your thirtiest
Speaker 2: birth day is Yeah, it was. It was crisis.
Speaker 3: I suppose anyway. Sorry, yeah, I'm dereiling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay. You know, shreen, do you know what
Speaker 2: will not make you have an existential crisis on top
Speaker 2: of the mountain on your own in the middle of
Speaker 2: a pandemic? Please tell me it is the products and
Speaker 2: services that support this show. Unless we get a shroom sad. Oh,
Speaker 2: I would love that the stream will read your shroom sad.
Speaker 2: If you're in the industry, please reach out her Twitter
Speaker 2: is at I write. Okay, all right, we're back. That
Speaker 2: was an had a psilocybin. Maybe it's still illegal.
Speaker 3: I don't think they are. Yeah, they're in Oregon. They are.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go. So I'm interested to know what
Speaker 2: questions you had before you decided to embark on your
Speaker 2: hiking lifestyle or is this something you've always done.
Speaker 3: I mean, my family and I we never really did
Speaker 3: outdoorsy stuff, so it was something I did when I
Speaker 3: was like finishing high school. I started to be like, wow,
Speaker 3: I live in a place where I can go hiking,
Speaker 3: and I've never.
Speaker 2: Done this before. So it was a learning curve.
Speaker 3: But I started when I was like seventeen, and I
Speaker 3: got my entire family to go hiking. With me for
Speaker 3: the first time. Yeah. It was also when I was
Speaker 3: introducing my mom to like Zoomba. That was the vibe
Speaker 3: back then, So I was trying to get active. But
Speaker 3: I think the most important things are I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: a big skincare person. I think some protection cannot be understated,
Speaker 3: especially if you are hiking in the middle of the day,
Speaker 3: like when the sun is at its highest point. You
Speaker 3: need sunscreen and a hat. There is like some protective
Speaker 3: clothing even that could come in handy, but at the
Speaker 3: bare minimum, you need a good hat. Yeah, like not
Speaker 3: even a cap. I like those those fishermen looking hats.
Speaker 3: You got to get the whole circumference. But a cap
Speaker 3: is fine. A cap will do. I think that's the
Speaker 3: most important little accessory for me. It's a hat.
Speaker 2: I have one of those, like felted wool hats.
Speaker 3: Nice. Don't they get hot?
Speaker 2: No? Not really. The wool breeze pretty well. Like it
Speaker 2: was what I was out of the body yesterday helping
Speaker 2: out and it was like a nineteen I was wearing it.
Speaker 2: It was fine, and it's wool, so you can like
Speaker 2: diep in the water and it gets wet. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: like one of those. Yeah, I actually have a little
Speaker 2: list of equipment or clothing stuff which maybe I could
Speaker 2: go over. It seems like the vast majority of the
Speaker 2: questions I get people like to DM me their question,
Speaker 2: which is great. By the way, I do like it
Speaker 2: when people ask me for like.
Speaker 3: How can there are no bad questions?
Speaker 2: No, there aren't. And like a lot of my career
Speaker 2: as a journalist, like earlier on was doing outdoor media,
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, the outdoor media has gone to complete shit,
Speaker 2: and you know, you can't write anything. It's an advertorial
Speaker 2: now just actually like just to if you are looking
Speaker 2: to buy something, and it is basically any product review
Speaker 2: you read on the internet. I understand that the vast
Speaker 2: majority of those will only be products that pay a
Speaker 2: certain percentage back to the website that refers you to them,
Speaker 2: and so then inherently causes a bias against products which
Speaker 2: don't do that. An editor at a big men's magazine
Speaker 2: suggested that I write some reviews about the stuff that
Speaker 2: I'd never seen.
Speaker 3: They were going to even send them to you.
Speaker 2: Well, the company would have done, but the editor wanted
Speaker 2: the piece in like fifteen minles, which, like I know,
Speaker 2: I used to do lots of reviews and buy some
Speaker 2: stuff and I take it pretty seriously. And because it's
Speaker 2: a lot of someone.
Speaker 3: I look at those reviews all the time. I have
Speaker 3: to weed out the ones I think are like sponsored,
Speaker 3: but I really, I really like reviews.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I go on Reddit a lot to see what people think,
Speaker 3: like their own experience redd.
Speaker 2: It's a great place. So I've said that like universally,
Speaker 2: but I do mean with respect.
Speaker 3: To Yeah, it's a place where you can find more
Speaker 3: anecdotal experience with stuff versus I don't know, Amazon review.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some whoppers on Reddit who in any
Speaker 2: aspect to overestimate their insight into things, but you'll find
Speaker 2: anyone needs innet. So, yeah, I'm going to go through
Speaker 2: some different clothing items, stuff I like and stuff that
Speaker 2: I think you can probably find cheap and hopefully that
Speaker 2: will help people kind of especially if you're thinking of backpacking.
Speaker 2: It can be very intimidating and expensive, I think, and
Speaker 2: at the start of the PCT almost once a week,
Speaker 2: right helping out the border, that's one of the areas
Speaker 2: where people cross and I see people with thousands of
Speaker 2: dollars of gear that is all brand new, and I
Speaker 2: know it can be pretty intimidating, but like you don't
Speaker 2: have to start there, So there's always stuff you have
Speaker 2: a home. Maybe we'll do one on camping later in
Speaker 2: the summer. So you get a hat, any particular hat
Speaker 2: preferences sharing.
Speaker 3: I don't know the brands, honestly, I don't know unless
Speaker 3: like someone recommended this brand, use this, like my shoes
Speaker 3: are I think we talked about this before Solomon No, Yes,
Speaker 3: is that a brand? Yeah, Salmon, And I was like,
Speaker 3: I thought that.
Speaker 2: She read, Yeah, yeah, I think you can.
Speaker 3: Find really cheap hats that are protective, you know. I
Speaker 3: don't think you need a big brand for a hat
Speaker 3: as long as it like covers your head in your face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. I trail run all the time in
Speaker 2: a hat I got free like five years ago.
Speaker 3: If anything, I think it's better to have things you
Speaker 3: don't care about getting dirty or ruined, you know, because
Speaker 3: you're sure.
Speaker 2: I've noticed a lot of outdoor stuff really kind of
Speaker 2: moving towards streetwear. There's this thing that I learned about
Speaker 2: recently called gorp core, which is my neme. Okay, the test.
Speaker 2: I think it's cute. Okay, this is going to be
Speaker 2: the point of disagreement. People like it. When the host
Speaker 2: disagree on podcast.
Speaker 3: How do you define gorp core.
Speaker 2: It's people wearing hiking stuff to go around town, which
Speaker 2: is fine. I do that all the time. I dress
Speaker 2: like a man in ARII catalog, But like, why are
Speaker 2: you making it fashion? And then why have you stolen
Speaker 2: my brands who used to make reliable outdoor gear?
Speaker 3: And now I agree with that assessment. I will say,
Speaker 3: I don't think wearing hiking stuff is necessary, but I
Speaker 3: do like to look like I'm going on a safari,
Speaker 3: you know. I like that character for me.
Speaker 2: Do you have like a pith helmet and like a No,
Speaker 2: it's just more just like fascinating.
Speaker 3: Like shorts that are meant to be hiked in are
Speaker 3: longer usually, and I just think they look better than
Speaker 3: other shorts, and you can just wear that and like
Speaker 3: a button down shirt with some leaves on it, it
Speaker 3: look like I'm going on a safari, but I'm just
Speaker 3: walking around town.
Speaker 2: This this vision of nineteen twenty sharen, you know, carriage
Speaker 2: seeing a line.
Speaker 3: But yeah, gorf core is it's becoming more and more trendy.
Speaker 3: And I will say that you're you're right about things
Speaker 3: being more expensive because of it. Because it shouldn't be
Speaker 3: so expensive to be prepared to go on a hike.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like so like for most of the stuff
Speaker 2: I look for when I'm hiking, A lot of brands
Speaker 2: I go to, like Outdoor Research, Mountain Hardware. I'll list
Speaker 2: some other stuff as we go through, but like Arctics
Speaker 2: and Patagonia seem to have taken off in price and
Speaker 2: like decoupled from other stuff which literally uses the same materials. Right,
Speaker 2: One of the things I would suggest if you're trying
Speaker 2: to buy outdoor gerrias look at the materials used, because
Speaker 2: you know you might find the same material used in
Speaker 2: another piece somewhere else, and it might cost less, right
Speaker 2: if it doesn't have that like gorp cor appeal. If
Speaker 2: I just go through some stuff I like really quickly,
Speaker 2: I like to wear buttonup shirts when I hike. Forten
Speaker 2: a whole piece about this. It's like two thousand words
Speaker 2: and it's it's on backpenny.
Speaker 3: So what's the reason A very shortened version of the reason.
Speaker 2: They're nice. They cover your neck a bit better. They
Speaker 2: have buttons so you can vent your chest if you
Speaker 2: need to, like teacher, get some extra ventilation. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: can roll up the sleeves. You can roll down the
Speaker 2: sleeves that there was very practical. When I met the
Speaker 2: president of the Marshall Islands, like one of my little
Speaker 2: hiking batnup shirts because I hadn't been expected to be formal,
Speaker 2: and I put on a little tie that they gave
Speaker 2: me and I went.
Speaker 3: I will say I have worn button down hiking shirts
Speaker 3: out and about town because I think they look so oops.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, Srian. I think they look cute.
Speaker 2: You can look cute in them. If you're looking to
Speaker 2: buy some shirts. Outdoor Research has one called the Astroman,
Speaker 2: which is amazing, like it feels like you're not wearing
Speaker 2: a shirt, which is always the goal with shirt couu.
Speaker 2: The Hunting brand has one called the Tiburon, which is right.
Speaker 3: Are there's going to be listed somewhere?
Speaker 2: Yes, Like I did last time, I will make a
Speaker 2: two thousand words show description with links in it for people.
Speaker 2: I also like those T shirts, like running shirts. I
Speaker 2: don't really buy like hiking t shirts. I think often
Speaker 2: they're just cotton T shirts with a picture of a
Speaker 2: river on. But running shirt to nice gore wear so
Speaker 2: that the people who make gortex there's also really good
Speaker 2: value stuff. Actually it's worth looking at obviously, Like they're
Speaker 2: like in house, so they have all gor text waterproof stuff.
Speaker 2: But they have a shirt called the Contest which always
Speaker 2: trail running. This morning, it's a pretty nice shirt. It's
Speaker 2: hot here in San Diego, and like, I don't want
Speaker 2: to be the guy running with his shirt of and so.
Speaker 2: And also I'm British, so like me and the sun
Speaker 2: are in a constant state of disagreement. I'm not a
Speaker 2: skinware person like stream. I didn't believe in me I
Speaker 2: do now. I do now, I do now. Until my
Speaker 2: early thirties, I thought that it was stopping my skin
Speaker 2: breathing and affecting my performance as a bigraces you've cherished changed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I never had skin on my well, like most of
Speaker 2: my you thought on scream was bad. When you have
Speaker 2: to understand that everything about pro cycling is like lies
Speaker 2: the older people tell you. So like when I was
Speaker 2: coming up in cycling, it was like the very end
Speaker 2: of the like people who had trained in East Germany,
Speaker 2: like before the fall of the Berlin War, right, and
Speaker 2: they had all these bullshit things that they like I
Speaker 2: had a team director who would make us eat fast animals,
Speaker 2: because he thought that would turn us into fasters. Like
Speaker 2: that's a good no. I mean the even now.
Speaker 3: There is a little subculture of like, don't wear sunscreen.
Speaker 3: The sun is good for you. You should just like
Speaker 3: vitamin D. But y'all know, wear sunscreen, reapply the sunscreen.
Speaker 3: I should make a skincare episode. I'm obsessed with this stuff,
Speaker 3: and sunscreen is so important.
Speaker 2: It is. You get much better sunscreen outside the US, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do. I use Korean sunscreen. Korean sunscreen is great. Okay, great, Okay.
Speaker 2: I get European sunscreen when I'm in the airport.
Speaker 3: But also both the European sunscreens and Asian sunscreens, they're
Speaker 3: formulated so much differently than the ones in the US.
Speaker 3: I feel like there are certain things that are they're different.
Speaker 3: I don't know, America is fucking up.
Speaker 2: It's because the active ingredients, haven't the FDA. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: sunscreen conspiracy, divotion over sharen. Maybe we should take an
Speaker 2: advertising break here in case we land the Koreans.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, let's do it. I want to get
Speaker 3: shrooms and Korean suns green under my advertising bill. That
Speaker 3: would be great. That's my entire personality.
Speaker 2: All right, we're back. We have you enjoyed that advert
Speaker 2: for scenes screen. I want to talk about trousers just
Speaker 2: in general, but also with reference to hiking. Sometimes I
Speaker 2: go out and I drop water for people say that
Speaker 2: they don't die in the desert, and that's something that
Speaker 2: I think is one of the coolest fucking things that
Speaker 2: you can do if you live near the border, and
Speaker 2: everyone who does it is a massive legend in my opinion.
Speaker 2: And even if you just come out once, you could
Speaker 2: save someone's life and that's pretty fucking cool. And I
Speaker 2: want you, if you live near here, to feel like
Speaker 2: you can do that if what's holding you back, if
Speaker 2: you don't know what to where or want backpack to
Speaker 2: get Just like dm me on Twitter, but sometimes I
Speaker 2: come out in jeans. I would not suggest hiking in jeans.
Speaker 2: I would make jeans are great. I love jeans. I
Speaker 2: like to climb in jeans. I know Ian, the producer
Speaker 2: of this show, have some opinions on people who I
Speaker 2: want to hear. Take You haven't seen this, yeah, because
Speaker 2: Ian does tweet very much, so I only found his
Speaker 2: twister like six months ago. One of his tweets with
Speaker 2: about why do people working because it's cool lean. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's not because you have to climb in jeans, because
Speaker 2: you have to remind people that you were climbing before
Speaker 2: the fucking Alex Honold film came out. And the way
Speaker 2: to do that is to be a dirt bag. And
Speaker 2: the way to do that is to go to a
Speaker 2: second hand shop and buy the ladies jeans sort of stretch.
Speaker 3: The ones that are worn in, because like from New Genes,
Speaker 3: seemed so uncomfortable to do anything in in my opinion.
Speaker 2: No, you want the stretchy fabric jeens, you know the ones.
Speaker 2: It's okay if they're normal jeens. Yeah, they've got to
Speaker 2: be worn in, and then you cut them off a
Speaker 2: couple of inches above the ankle so you can see
Speaker 2: your feet, and you go climbing in those and a
Speaker 2: cut off T shirt and you keep climbing grungy, because
Speaker 2: that's important. You can't be letting all the Have you
Speaker 2: seen this film Free Solo? People change it? So yeah,
Speaker 2: oh gosh, yeah, that's one of the things that I
Speaker 2: will never back down.
Speaker 3: That run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they use the easiest route in my climbing gym
Speaker 2: for years. Was cool. Hey, dude, have you seen this film?
Speaker 2: It's called free Solo, which I thought was great. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can go climbing in jeans, but don't go hiking
Speaker 2: in jeans. They don't breathe very well, they don't move
Speaker 2: very well. They do chafe very well, and if they
Speaker 2: get wet, they suck. So you can get good like
Speaker 2: Nico or polyester or like even some with like spandex
Speaker 2: or like greens. So they stretch trousers pretty quickly. I
Speaker 2: really like Prana trousers that, like the yoga brand. I'm
Speaker 2: wearing some right now. They have a one called the
Speaker 2: Stretch Zion. They have a men's model and a women's model,
Speaker 2: I think, and they're really cheap. They're always on sale.
Speaker 2: I really like those for like a cheap go to
Speaker 2: trouser hiking. So there's a brand called True Work who
Speaker 2: make like technical work clothes, which I like to wear.
Speaker 2: If I'm like when we were constructing shelters a lot
Speaker 2: in Cucumber before the border patrol tore them down. It's
Speaker 2: nice to have the little like extra pockets for your
Speaker 2: tools and for your pencil and your tape measure and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I wear those for hiking as well,
Speaker 2: and they're kind of dual PERP. Generally, if you have
Speaker 2: trousers that are lightweight, that breathe well and have good flexibility,
Speaker 2: you're good to go. The next thing I have here
Speaker 2: is socks. People really fuck up with socks, and it
Speaker 2: seems like socks and footwear are areas where people really
Speaker 2: get themselves into trouble. Tried this out recently and the
Speaker 2: interest of journalism. Actually, there are a couple of brands
Speaker 2: the things that I do just on a whim down tough,
Speaker 2: you know, down tough sucks, serene, No, okay, now you do.
Speaker 2: They're a company and Vermont, who make good socks, will.
Speaker 3: Say, I do want I need new hiking socks.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, yeah, sit down, okay. Two brands that I
Speaker 2: would recommend are Features and Done Tough because they fit
Speaker 2: well there will so will still insulates when it's where
Speaker 2: it breathes well. It doesn't burn, but that's not a
Speaker 2: big concern for most of us hiking here. Yes, you're
Speaker 2: in a forest far I guess, but they'll find your feet.
Speaker 2: That'll be great. They also have lifetime warranties, which I
Speaker 2: think is really cool for so for socks. Yeah that's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I tested these out in the interest of journalism
Speaker 2: and features in science and Science. Yeah, I did a
Speaker 2: did a little double blind test, and I contacted Features
Speaker 2: and done toff and said, hi, I have worn holes
Speaker 2: through the front of my socks. And they said, no problems,
Speaker 2: send them back. And I sent them back and Features
Speaker 2: got me the socks. So what they do is they
Speaker 2: send you a coupon, then you go on their website
Speaker 2: and you order whatever socks you want. And it took
Speaker 2: me about a week and I had new socks. Well
Speaker 2: down tuft took a little bit longer, but I had
Speaker 2: new socks. So like, if you're a person who doesn't
Speaker 2: want to spend a lot of money, you can spend
Speaker 2: your money once and have socks for life, which I
Speaker 2: thought was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. I heard
Speaker 2: that they had a good warranty. But then I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, lots of brands say lots of bullshit,
Speaker 2: to let me test it, and tested I did. It
Speaker 2: turned out to be true in both cases.
Speaker 3: I will say for the inexperienced person, I think when
Speaker 3: you hear wool socks, you're like, okay, i'll wear those
Speaker 3: one that's cold, but no, you have to wear them
Speaker 3: for like it's like temperature regulation, right, It's like, yeah.
Speaker 2: You want to let your foot breathe, right, so you
Speaker 2: don't get like blisters, you do?
Speaker 3: You wear them any weather. That's my point. I feel
Speaker 3: like when I hear wool as someone that grew up
Speaker 3: in Sokel, I'm like, Okay, it's going to be cold,
Speaker 3: No it's not. Just put them on your feet and
Speaker 3: your shoe will be war comfy. Also a comfortable shoe essential. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're going to get there. But yeah, there
Speaker 3: are different thickness is. You have will socks for cod
Speaker 3: wether there, but I also have wolf socks for hot weather, right,
Speaker 3: But they're all wool you know.
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, they're just in Actually I wore a
Speaker 2: wool shirt when I did a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: There was a heat advisory, so I figured that would
Speaker 2: be a good time to go backpacking on the PCT
Speaker 2: because no one else would be there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good idea.
Speaker 2: It's great. I had a wonderful time. It was not
Speaker 2: molested by people. You saw some snakes. It was nice.
Speaker 2: Rescue the dude.
Speaker 3: Did you wear sunscreen?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did in that instance, anah, actually yeah, this
Speaker 2: was after my sunscreen awakening.
Speaker 3: Oh great, I'm so glad.
Speaker 2: Don't go out without water. This dude was out looking
Speaker 2: for Kitchen Creek Falls, which if you're not familiar as
Speaker 2: a seasonal waterfall in these county San Diego. And he
Speaker 2: was probably about three or four months late or early,
Speaker 2: depending on how you look at it. And so I
Speaker 2: had gone out without water. Which don't be relying on
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. If it says water on the map,
Speaker 2: that's cool. Still bring water, especially you're in the desert. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's talk about shoes. I think people want to go
Speaker 2: hiking in boots because that's what like you think of
Speaker 2: when you think of like grambling or hiking. But like
Speaker 2: if you don't wear boots for work or habitually, you know,
Speaker 2: for just like crosspunk reasons, then you might be really
Speaker 2: uncomfortable in boots, Like you're not used to hard things
Speaker 2: rubbing your ankles. So we would not suggest and unless
Speaker 2: you're putting on load, like I wear boots if I'm backpacking. Certainly,
Speaker 2: if I'm like pack rafting or something where I've got
Speaker 2: like the raft and everything else and I'm going to
Speaker 2: do it a long hiking, right, so I've got all
Speaker 2: my camping stuff and the raft I'm gonna wear boots
Speaker 2: or if I'm off trails when we drop water. We're
Speaker 2: not going on trails, right, We're just sort of out
Speaker 2: and about climbing up mountain. So I'll wear boots for that.
Speaker 2: But for almost everyone, especially if you're hiking on trails,
Speaker 2: you're going to be just fine with shoes. I think
Speaker 2: the big thing. Boots give you more stability, right, they
Speaker 2: stop your ankle from twitter.
Speaker 3: That's why I wear them.
Speaker 2: I weak ankles. Yeah, it's genetic. I wear boots. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can work on their little ankle strength stuff you
Speaker 2: can do.
Speaker 3: But that's not happening. I'll just wear boots.
Speaker 2: Boots maximalist for me, like finding shoes sort of stable
Speaker 2: that like you know, like inherently stabilize my foot without
Speaker 2: clamping my ankle has been really good.
Speaker 3: I feel more stable in a boot though you don't
Speaker 3: think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you're just sort of transferring to me,
Speaker 2: Like sometimes I like to have the ability to move
Speaker 2: my ankles, especially like I like to trail run as well.
Speaker 2: If I'm to be honest, i'm just going out, I'm
Speaker 2: probably running at the minute, and like even over night
Speaker 2: city it's really fun to just run until it gets
Speaker 2: dark and then sleep and then run again. It's a
Speaker 2: fun thing to do well.
Speaker 3: I'd be curious about your hiking shoe recommendations versus boot.
Speaker 2: So I got three. They're all like they have little
Speaker 2: kind of your foots, like sitting in the insole, not
Speaker 2: on the insult, if that makes sense. So it's like
Speaker 2: cupped a little bit nickeys in possibility. One is the
Speaker 2: Salomon Genesis. It's the cheapest one they make in that line.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really good shoe. I trail running
Speaker 2: in them all the time. Two the other one is
Speaker 2: a Soccony Exodus Ultra two, which it's really cool. It
Speaker 2: has like a softer foam in the middle and then
Speaker 2: a stiffer foam around the outside of your heel. I
Speaker 2: could talk about the shit for hours, but it feels
Speaker 2: very comfortable and soft. But also you're very stable, and
Speaker 2: they're about to be phased out, so you can find
Speaker 2: them really cheap.
Speaker 3: Why are they both to be phased out?
Speaker 2: Running shoe companies make a new shoe every year because
Speaker 2: they feel like they need to.
Speaker 3: Human foot has been the same, I would argue.
Speaker 2: For a while. Yeah, it's not changing. Technology advances, right,
Speaker 2: Like shoe foams have come up even in the past
Speaker 2: five or six years. Like, if you have more running
Speaker 2: shoes in the past five or six years, and you
Speaker 2: have the means to buy some more running shoes, Piba
Speaker 2: foams and things like that, like these like high energy
Speaker 2: return phones make running a lot more pleasant. But often
Speaker 2: it's just like a different color scheme, you know, slightly
Speaker 2: different upper. Yeah, and I think in that case you're
Speaker 2: just fine. The other ones that Meryll kind of had
Speaker 2: a reputation for making like old man hiking boots for
Speaker 2: a while, but they're trail running shoes really great.
Speaker 3: That's cool. Yeah, my friend has Meryl shoes and they're cute.
Speaker 2: See they used to be cute. They used to be
Speaker 2: very like dad coded.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think they've turned a corner.
Speaker 2: Yeah they have. I'm a big fan. Now I'm wearing
Speaker 2: some right now. Actually, Alex to wear Meryl. The Agility
Speaker 2: Peak one is good. The long Sky is when I'm
Speaker 2: like trail running in burlier terrain. If you're going to
Speaker 2: buy boots or shoes, please try it on or at
Speaker 2: least order them from a website that lets you send
Speaker 2: them back. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I really think that's essential. I messed up the first
Speaker 3: time I really invested in expensive boots. I got them
Speaker 3: after all reading all these reviews, and I hated them.
Speaker 3: Like I walked around my house and I was like,
Speaker 3: these are terrible. But I was able to return them
Speaker 3: to my ARII that was local, and I tried on
Speaker 3: the other shoe I wanted to try on that they had,
Speaker 3: and that was great. I walked around Aria and I
Speaker 3: was like, this is the one you have to try
Speaker 3: them on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, take the socks you're gonna wear when you're hiking
Speaker 2: as well. They don't just take socks don't feel the same.
Speaker 2: And then we walk around and the next thing I
Speaker 2: had was backpacked. Actually, and I'm going to say the
Speaker 2: same thing, like, the most important thing for a backpack
Speaker 2: is that it fits your body and that it is
Speaker 2: fitted to your body. Ari I will do that for free,
Speaker 2: which is great. Lots of other outdoor shops San Diego
Speaker 2: used to have a Venture sixteen. It's sadly closed rip.
Speaker 2: But anyone who's trying to sell your backpack in person
Speaker 2: and won't fit it to you is probably someone you
Speaker 2: shouldn't buy a backpack from. So if you google around
Speaker 2: enough and you have enough Google for you will find
Speaker 2: a video of me teaching you how to wear your backpack.
Speaker 3: Someone will find that.
Speaker 2: Yes I know, and yeah, I've got a broken arm
Speaker 2: in that video, which you can't tell. I haven't sought
Speaker 2: medical attention. At the time of the video. I got
Speaker 2: hit by a car and then I knew how to
Speaker 2: eat video the next day, so I went to do
Speaker 2: the video. I'd have to make money. It was broke.
Speaker 3: I will say that as someone who isn't the most
Speaker 3: knowledgeable about the stuff, but I like it, and I
Speaker 3: would consider myself like a I don't know, intermediate, not advanced,
Speaker 3: but go into ARII and getting a backpack fit. And
Speaker 3: that's what I did do, shy away from asking questions.
Speaker 3: They're there to help, and I think as soon as
Speaker 3: you get over that, you'll be fine. I feel like
Speaker 3: as soon as I just like accept that these people
Speaker 3: are there to help you and not to shame you,
Speaker 3: hopefully that's great, and like, yeah, they're trying to sell
Speaker 3: you things, but I don't know, just go in with
Speaker 3: a smart head on your shoulders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, expect people to be well meaning, Like we all
Speaker 2: just want you to be happy and enjoying the outdoors
Speaker 2: with us, it's not a competition with backpacks. Real quickly,
Speaker 2: you've got basically three distinct types. You have ultra light backpacks,
Speaker 2: which you don't have a frame at all. Imagine a
Speaker 2: bucket made of fabric with two straps so attached to
Speaker 2: your back. I wouldn't suggest starting there. You have external
Speaker 2: frame that's where the frame is external and the back
Speaker 2: is clipped onto the frame. And you have internal frame
Speaker 2: where the frame is integral to the bag. Right, most
Speaker 2: of the bags you're probably going to look at our
Speaker 2: internal frame to start with. The heavier the bag gets,
Speaker 2: the more structure you get, and the more little pockets
Speaker 2: an organization you get, those can seem super tempting, especially
Speaker 2: when you're looking online and you're seeing like different specs
Speaker 2: and trying to compare them. If you're a person who
Speaker 2: has access to zip block bags, you don't need all
Speaker 2: the pockets, right, Like, yeah, what I do every single
Speaker 2: time they go back back and so I put a
Speaker 2: bin bag in it that waterproofs it. Right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: cool if your bags it's waterproof, I don't trust it
Speaker 2: to be waterproof and it doesn't need to because I'm
Speaker 2: going to put a bin bag in there. Anyway, and
Speaker 2: then I put everything in stuff sacks as it block
Speaker 2: bags in there. Likewise, you'll find lots of bags with
Speaker 2: like seventy five ways to access the main pocket. Most
Speaker 2: of the time you're going to have your stuff inside it.
Speaker 2: A waterproof bag anyway, it's not such a big deal.
Speaker 3: I think the most important aspect of a bag that
Speaker 3: used to look at first is just the weight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can fuck yourself up with a heavy bag.
Speaker 2: Although that said, like, one of the bags that I
Speaker 2: use the most for water up stuff is a Mystery
Speaker 2: Ranch black Jack. It's a military bag. It's heavy, it's
Speaker 2: like a I think it's five point seven pounds for
Speaker 2: a bag, But I'm not trying to be light. What
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do is fill it with gallons of water, right,
Speaker 2: and then haul them up and down a mounted So
Speaker 2: I might as well make the bag comfortable because it's
Speaker 2: a negligible percentage of the overall weight of shit I'm carrying.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 2: There's a bag with the Radix, the Mystery Ranch make
Speaker 2: that I've been using a lot recently, and it's made
Speaker 2: of like very lightweight material like an Ultrolte bag. But
Speaker 2: I like their frames. They have like a yoke that
Speaker 2: kind of wraps around your body as opposed to frame
Speaker 2: that sits on top of your body, and that works
Speaker 2: really well for me. Their warranty is good, their products
Speaker 2: are good. I've used their bags in every continent apart
Speaker 2: from the Antarctic and never had anything break, especially like
Speaker 2: if you're a person who gets actiss about your ship breaking,
Speaker 2: then you can't go wrong with them. They also have
Speaker 2: incredible discount If you want one but you think it's
Speaker 2: too expensive, take your time and you'll find the way cheaper.
Speaker 2: That's a good bag to get. I like Gregory bags,
Speaker 2: Osprey or a good brand. Osprey bags can.
Speaker 3: Tell what I have, But my backpacking backpack is an Osprey.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They're very comfortable. They have a lot going on
Speaker 2: sometimes and they have that mesh. Do you have the
Speaker 2: one with a mesh? Like? Yeah, they are very comfortable.
Speaker 2: I have an Osprey bag that I really like. I
Speaker 2: took it pack rafting in Alaska and it was great.
Speaker 2: It was bomba If you're just going on a day hike,
Speaker 2: you don't need very much backpack, right, twenty liters or
Speaker 2: whatever is fine, even ten. I really like those running
Speaker 2: vest file backpacks where you have like pogets on the front.
Speaker 2: Have you seen those? You don't have to pack? Oh
Speaker 2: it's cool? Yeah, do I have one? Send your piculator
Speaker 2: shreat things? Yeah, I mean you're looking forward to it.
Speaker 2: When I ran, I like to have a little water
Speaker 2: flasks down there, and then that makes sense. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: then I was like, why don't have this on my
Speaker 2: normal backpack? Why am I having to like reach around
Speaker 2: for my snacks. I'm all about fishiencies. So running vest
Speaker 2: style backpacks are cool. Camelback has some good ones, everyone
Speaker 2: called the Octane I use a lot. And then when
Speaker 2: you're buying a backpack, you'll want to buy a little
Speaker 2: water reservoir to go in it. One of the reasons
Speaker 2: you're going to waterproof everything in your bag is because
Speaker 2: every single water reservoir that you put in your backpack
Speaker 2: will break at some point, and when it does, it
Speaker 2: will send its contents into your bag and it will
Speaker 2: be a bad day. And as you have water proved everything,
Speaker 2: this will happen to you, especially if you like sit
Speaker 2: down and lean back and then you crush it. So
Speaker 2: that's where you're gonna water with everything. But I think
Speaker 2: hydro pack like the best ones. I really like that,
Speaker 2: insulated ones. Even if you don't get an insulated bladder,
Speaker 2: get it insulated. Sucky su Susa worcherine. Thank you. Last
Speaker 2: podcast of the day here, guys. Yeah, getting intated straw
Speaker 2: because when it's really colder, who is your straw will
Speaker 2: freeze because it's just like a small amount of water
Speaker 2: right when it freezes more quickly.
Speaker 3: I never thought of that. I only backpacked and highten
Speaker 3: really hot weather.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when it's below freezing, like even like I was
Speaker 2: out on Palamar in October, a surry turned from a
Speaker 2: Curtis Dan so it was, you know, below freezing up
Speaker 2: of the mountain and know my water phrase, you can
Speaker 2: blow your water back out again, but you're just going
Speaker 2: to forget to do that realistically. And then yeah, the
Speaker 2: last thing I had was hiking poles. Hiking poles great.
Speaker 3: I've never had a pole.
Speaker 2: You never had a pole? If you ever had a stick?
Speaker 3: I mean it likes fine ones, And I guess I
Speaker 3: don't hike on the things I might need a pull for.
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're great if you're someone who's like maybe has
Speaker 2: some injuries or you're worried about your knees just because
Speaker 2: they hurt in general life. They were a great way
Speaker 2: to take this strain.
Speaker 3: Of the I'm trying to give into my mom to
Speaker 3: get a pair of poles, because I think she would
Speaker 3: really benefit from them, because she wants to go on
Speaker 3: all these hikes and yeah, just needs help. So there's
Speaker 3: no shame in getting a pole or two.
Speaker 2: I will donate your mom some poles. Sarene Oh, it's
Speaker 2: my gifts, my gift you. Suren's mom helped me translate
Speaker 2: for some migrants the other day. My mom's the best
Speaker 2: I'll send your mom. Don't be afraid of using them.
Speaker 2: Don't be thinking that like anyone's going to judge you
Speaker 2: for using them. Like if that makes you feel more
Speaker 2: stable and come table, go for it. Don't buy the
Speaker 2: ones that telescope I mean by telescope, like yeah, because
Speaker 2: they collapse. And I remember I was up in the
Speaker 2: Sierras six or seven years ago now and it was
Speaker 2: fucking snowier than I'd expected. Then my stupid hiking pole
Speaker 2: collapsed into itself. It just it just made the day
Speaker 2: like less fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine that.
Speaker 2: But otherwise it's stick is great, right, find a nice
Speaker 2: stick phone with a nice notch your thumb. You get
Speaker 2: it from a nice type of wood. Used to love
Speaker 2: making sticks when I was little. You can get a
Speaker 2: stick topper. You can order them online. You know, it's
Speaker 2: got like a head of a dog or a pheasant
Speaker 2: or a deer.
Speaker 3: Or a cane. It's like a fancy little cane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had crooks, you know, a crook no, for
Speaker 2: like when you're catching your sheep, James.
Speaker 3: Why you mean, like there's the hook looking thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's called a croak. I did not know that.
Speaker 3: I know what you're talking now that you mentioned sheep.
Speaker 3: I know what that is, but I've never known.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're sheep eggs. But yeah, it's got a crook.
Speaker 2: We so those great for walking? I can see that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so we we used to use those a lot when
Speaker 2: I was a kid. But yeah, having one is great.
Speaker 2: And I think especially like if you're nervous about falling
Speaker 2: going you know with your person who worries about the knees.
Speaker 2: If you're picking your first route, keep it pretty flat.
Speaker 2: If you're going up my down a lot of elevation
Speaker 2: and you're worried about how that's going to feel. The
Speaker 2: poles are a good way to mitigate someonem worried that
Speaker 2: I'm going to fall on my knees. But yeah, don't
Speaker 2: feel afraid of using that stuff. Oh, I forgot to
Speaker 2: say one thing. In my shoes. Think chacos are the
Speaker 2: best sandals. Fuck all other sandals. That's what I have
Speaker 2: to say about that. You know when you're cool because
Speaker 2: you have the z from the chaco's burned onto your feet. Well,
Speaker 2: unless you practice foot skincare, which I've not upgraded to
Speaker 2: that level yet.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about getting those. I remember I was
Speaker 3: signing between those and something else, and I got off
Speaker 3: for something else. But now I have to go back
Speaker 3: and get those.
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, I rafted with some people
Speaker 2: who listened to the podcast. They invited me and I
Speaker 2: went and we did a week on the Colorado. Oh
Speaker 2: that's so cool. You're so trusting little irl. I like
Speaker 2: to go outside. It was cool. I like people. So
Speaker 2: some of them reached out and I said, yeah, let
Speaker 2: let's go for a rafting trip. So we went on
Speaker 2: a rafting trip on the Colorado River. And now I
Speaker 2: wore my chackos the whole time, while sun cream none
Speaker 2: of the time. Feet were just roasted, just red, but
Speaker 2: with a little z from the chack for the whole summer. Anyways,
Speaker 2: they are very comfortable sandals. One of my friends, another
Speaker 2: podcast listener, is hugging the PCT in his chackos right now.
Speaker 2: Thanks go to Canada. So yeah, I hope you're doing well.
Speaker 2: They know who they are. Surprisingly enough, I've gone long
Speaker 2: talking about outdoor things.
Speaker 3: But no, I'm glad you took the time to make
Speaker 3: this little list. I realized I don't have to be
Speaker 3: as big of a dummy as I thought. I thought
Speaker 3: I was going to come in here and being a
Speaker 3: huge dummy. I know more than I think I do.
Speaker 3: You know, and I know what to do outside most
Speaker 3: of the time.
Speaker 2: Yes, sure, yes you do. Thank you for listening to
Speaker 2: me talking about going outside. If you have any questions,
Speaker 2: you can DM me on Twitter. That's the only way
Speaker 2: I communicate with anyone now, don't have a dm me
Speaker 2: and I'll send you my email. But really, like I
Speaker 2: just want people to feel that the outdoors is for
Speaker 2: them and feel safe and feel comfortable and feel like
Speaker 2: they know all the things they need to know, and
Speaker 2: to not buy stuff because someone's getting three percent back
Speaker 2: on it even though they've never touched it in their
Speaker 2: whole lives. And also, like I know that we're all
Speaker 2: fucking poor and spending your money is hard. So I've
Speaker 2: tried to suggest stuff so it's not crazy expensive or
Speaker 2: that you can find on sale. But if you have questions. Oh,
Speaker 2: one more thing, there's a company called Outdoor Vitals which
Speaker 2: has a subscription. You can be a member and then
Speaker 2: you can get a lot of their stuff cheap for backpacking.
Speaker 2: It's a good company and they make some good stuff
Speaker 2: and they do some good stuff the outdoors as well.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you have questions, you can message me.
Speaker 2: We will do one about what to put in your
Speaker 2: bag when you get backpacking eventually, Yeah, go outside. Send
Speaker 2: us your photos if you're going outside, if they're not weird,
Speaker 2: we would like there.
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