WEBVTT - The CZM Guide to Touching Grass This Summer 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:06.000 Also media. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.960 Hi everyone, it's me James and I'm joined by Sharen today, 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:13.000 and in a rare instance, we are not discussing something 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:15.200 terrible and sad. It seems like most of the thinks 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.320 Serene and I talk about. But it's a fun episode today, 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:17.840 isn't it, Shreen. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.759 Yeah, I'm in a good mood, which is crazy to 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.400 say these days, but I'm happy to be here. I 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.479 love to be the podcast dummy. I love to have 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:31.760 things talks to me at and I listen too. Yeah, exactly, 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:33.040 that's interesting. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.800 You've crushed it. No, we won't be taking that again. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:40.360 Let's go from there. I don't want everyone to think 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.559 Seren is dummy. Suren's very intelligent, but we are making 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.919 a podcast today about touching grass. A thing that some 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:50.120 people need to do has become apparent. I've been on 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.880 the internet. I think some people need to go outside. Yeah, 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.840 and even if you're not saying the stupidest shit imaginable 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.160 on Twitter, I still think it's actually really good for 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.440 you to go outside. Like, I know, this seems to 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.560 be an episode I do every couple of months, but 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:05.880 every single time I have to go and do something 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:10.319 traumatic or scary or upsetting for work. I just book 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.760 a few days afterwards to be by myself in the 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:16.240 mountains camp and sort of just not particularly like trying 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.480 to do massive miles on a trail, just being outside. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.399 And I find it's the most healing thing for me. 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.960 It's how I process all the things that I have 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.640 to see and hear about for work. And I want 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:31.000 you to do that too, podcast listeners. Yeah, and Serene, 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:31.760 I want Shrean to do it. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.600 Nature is healing, it is, and that makes sense that 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:37.720 that's where you go. It makes total sense. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.800 Yeah, I think you have to be comfortable, like you know, 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.479 if you're scared sleeping alone outside in a tent by yourself, right, Yeah, 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.040 it's not going to be healing for you. And I 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:49.960 can see that. I'm a white dude, right and I 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:51.720 go through the outdoors just like I go through everywhere 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:56.040 else's white. You know that means that something different experiences. Yes, yes, yeah, 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.040 we have. That's why sociore is you to think anyway, 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.520 I want to talk today just about hiking or walking 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.800 or rambling or hillwalking or you know, you could call 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.240 it any of the things that you want, just because 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.880 I think it is probably the most successible way to 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.520 get outside for most people. Right, Like I could talk 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:14.760 about cycling. It's been a lot of my life cycling. 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.120 It's expensive and confusing for people. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.840 So in your equipment, you know, hiking, you just need 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:20.760 to get outside. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.079 Yeah, exactly, like you probably if you're able to move 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.400 under your own power now, then you can probably go 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:28.919 for a walk. I'm going to talk about equipment in 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.240 the back half, but I think if you're a lot 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:32.720 of people seem to have a lot of questions about 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.919 backpacking equipment, so we'll cover that. But yeah, I think 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:39.120 for most people, just like setting the intention of going 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.360 for a walk would be a massively beneficial thing. So 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:43.799 I want to encourage you to do that. To start 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.440 of summer, if you're in the northern hemisphere, if you're 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.880 in the southern hemisphere, it's a start of winter, you know, 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.800 you can still get out there. And so to start 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.519 off with, I wanted to talk about finding a route, 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.959 finding a place, picking a route to go hiking. Did 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:58.840 you go hiking very much? 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:00.960 I actually do. I do like a hike. I like 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.720 a hike. I've gone backpacking once and I really liked it. 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:06.680 Where did you go backpacking? Oh? 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:06.840 Hi? 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:09.840 Oh yeah, wow, Yeah. 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.000 That'd be a cute little place. But it was so 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.840 hot and I almost passed out. I should have done 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.200 it in a different day. We should have done it 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.600 a different day. But I do love to hike. I 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:23.800 like to be outside. I'm not like the most outdoors 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:25.280 a person. I wish I knew how like how to 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.520 make a fire or something, or like I wish I 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:28.680 was like a scout. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:30.520 There's lots of shit that you don't want to be 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.280 involved with in the scouting movement, Surrey. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:33.520 Oh really, Okay, I take that back. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably inducing behind the bus just for. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.640 A scout, Okay, I will do that. I did not, 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.280 But what I mean is like I really like being outside, 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.520 and I have like the bare minimum of like equipment 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.880 that I need for that kind of stuff. I used 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.880 to get really intimidated that I didn't know as much 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:52.920 as I thought other people did. But I don't think 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:54.560 anyone knows as much as they think they do. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:55.520 Absolutely no. 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:56.800 Yeah, so that made me feel better. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.800 Yeah, And like the outdoors are super humbling sense right, 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.440 Like you think you know it all, you don't, and 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.760 at some point you'll get humbled or hurt. So it's 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:07.960 good to always have a bit of respect, yeah, for 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.480 the outdoors and mother nature. I've seen some people who 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.560 do not. It can end messily. Seen some people who 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.760 learn to climb on YouTube really get to grips with 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.039 YouTube not being the same as going outside. I guess 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.240 if I'm starting off, if you're picking a route, and 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.359 I think probably the best way to do it is 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.400 I discovered this recently. Lots of these modern smartphones have 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.240 a step counter in them. Even if you don't have 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.960 a fancy watch that count steps, your phone does it 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:36.320 for you. I think that's a really good way of ascertaining, 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.560 like how far you walk in a regular day? Right, 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.000 I was thinking about, like how far do most people walk? 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:42.560 I don't know. I know a fun fact about me, 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:44.400 I would love to ushering. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:49.480 I purposely have never ever opened that app or activated 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.160 it to know how many steps I walk because I 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.799 know myself and I know I would get like hyper 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.400 fixated on it, and I did not want to be 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.160 confronted with the days that I just sit on my 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.960 ass all day, you know, and so I have never 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:03.320 ever activated app. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.880 That's a great stream. I'm proud of you for knowing 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:08.000 that that would be good for you. 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.120 I mean, I just know myself, it wouldn't be a 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:11.440 good thing for me. I think it's a good thing 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.960 for a lot of people to like get them motivated 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:17.520 and stuff. But sometimes it's also a negative to being 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.120 too focused on the numbers and. 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.440 Yeah, totally, especially like if you're someone who's had like 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.800 a relationship with exercise, it wasn't healthy for you before. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:26.360 Yeah, I guess that's also part of it too, that 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:30.400 was my experience. I'm sorry, are you the things to 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:31.520 had that just happened? 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.840 Yeah, okay, Yeah, I'm glad that you have a good 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.440 relationship with it now. But yeah, for people who you know, 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.640 if that's not for you, that's not for you. I'll 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:42.000 say that. 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:43.360 But I just think it's a fun fact. I don't 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.480 know anyone else that has not, Like, I'm terrified of 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.800 the app. I have not even opened it. When you 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:49.880 go to my health app, it says welcome, like it 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.720 doesn't even you know what I mean, Like it's not. 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:53.840 Yeah, I did think you've got a brand new phone. 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.359 I was going to suggest to all trails because A 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.520 it's got a very complete list of trails, and B 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.760 I noticed I had a wheelchair for Yeah, I was 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.080 looking for wheelchair accessible trails for someone the other day. 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.600 You can just filter on all trails, like you can 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:09.880 find the ones that don't have steps or excessive rocks 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.280 or something. So like, if that's something you're looking for, 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.760 I think that could be really handy. And other little 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.120 tips for picking your root. If you try and set 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.600 off early a, you're gonna not deal with big crowds 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:25.200 of people be Animals are almost always more active at 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.560 dawning dusk. I have been trail running a lot recently, 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:29.839 and I love to trail run right when the sun's 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.800 coming up. It just feels like it's nice and I 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.120 see little animals. Don't see as many snakes. I like 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:36.799 to see a snake. 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:38.920 The weather is probably like the best it's going to 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:39.400 be that day. 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.840 Yeah, yeah, exactly, especially as it gets hotter, right, Like 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.040 if you're not necessarily doing a lot of exercise right now, 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:47.839 and then you go for you know, even a short 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:49.400 hike in the middle of the day on a hot day, 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.640 you can put yourself in the box. And like I 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.240 think I've heard before that like the vast majority of 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.200 trail rescues are like on front country trails, like five 0:06:58.279 --> 0:06:59.240 or ten believe. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.640 That people get confident. 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.160 I guess that in mind. If you're heading out on 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.279 a little front country hike, I would say some things 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.320 to bring would be we'll go over like equipment, boots, 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.000 stuff like that. If you if you're like getting more 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.960 into it, but you're heading out on a little first hike. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:16.600 If as long as you have a bag with some 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.680 water and a phone and some shoes that you like 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.960 to wear that they're comfortable for you, I think you'll 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.640 be fine. And I think they bring a snack. Snack 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.240 is always a good thing to have. It's nice to 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:33.240 have a little trail snack and yeah, I love a 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.800 good rectangular food. But yeah, if you don't have water, 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:41.400 that's like fourth of July last year, someone didn't bring 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.960 water for their dog, and I remember the dog was 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.920 in like severe Yeah. No, it was one of the 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.360 stupider things that I can't think of a year here 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.440 where I haven't been running or riding on trails and 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.280 seeing someone forget to bring water for their dog. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.119 Terrible. I hate that. Yeah, I don't like I see 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:00.880 like sometimes there's like a communal stops for pets, but 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:02.560 you can't count on those, you know. 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:05.640 Yeah, totally I don't really count on any of those 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.160 things working, you know, like water fountains, Like, don't be 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:12.080 reliant up on a water fountain, take a little water bottle. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.960 You'll be so much happier. If you want to find 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.200 people to hike with, I've had pretty good like with 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.480 a meetup app. I used to climb by some people 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.200 from meet up here in San Diego, and like climbings 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:28.560 are fairly like high trust endeavor if someone's belaying you. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:30.920 I definitely met some people there who are very capable 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.319 and we had a great time climbing outside. Meetup seems 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.400 to be pretty good for that kind of stuff. ARII 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.040 also often has free like they'll just take you out 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.559 for a hiker really hiking sessions, and I know they 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:46.280 have like yeah, yeah, yeah, they they seem nice. They 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:50.520 have like fem ones that women transferm people can go 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.200 and sist news can't go, which is fine, you know, 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.520 like it's probably a nice thing for some people feel 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.880 a little safer and more comfortable there. They have one, 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.480 so they're just open for everyone. I think that's a 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.640 dude's only hike, which is also fine. So those are 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.000 some places to meet people. I think it's always nice 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.440 to go with someone, especially if you don't feel confident 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.040 or you don't feel like the outdoors are a place 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.719 where you're look comfortable. It's nice to go with even 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.400 if it's someone who has the same degree of knowledge 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.840 and background in it as you, like they can rationalize 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:20.400 your fears. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.760 Yeah, when you're alone and like you get lost or 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:28.120 you feel panic, it's so much worse than if you 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.360 had like a friend with you. It only happened to 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.280 me once and I was on trooms, so but I 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.400 won't get into that. But it was scary. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.440 Yeah, then maybe you'd leave those a home if if 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.840 you're going out first maybe. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.640 Yeah, No, you don't need those if you're by yourself, 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.760 especially Just take it from me. Please don't go on 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:55.880 a mountain and take too many things and panic the 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:57.000 whole way home. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.880 I want to hear this story afterwards. 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.560 It was my thirtieth birthday in twenty twenty, so everything 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.760 was closed. I tried to go and touch grass games 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.840 and I had had a spiral. 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.200 He nearly touched it with your face as you fell 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.840 down the mountain on your stream trip. Yeah, your thirtiest 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:20.720 birth day is Yeah, it was. It was crisis. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.559 I suppose anyway. Sorry, yeah, I'm dereiling. 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.800 Yeah, that's okay. You know, shreen, do you know what 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.240 will not make you have an existential crisis on top 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:30.439 of the mountain on your own in the middle of 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.160 a pandemic? Please tell me it is the products and 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.559 services that support this show. Unless we get a shroom sad. Oh, 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.760 I would love that the stream will read your shroom sad. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.240 If you're in the industry, please reach out her Twitter 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:52.480 is at I write. Okay, all right, we're back. That 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:57.240 was an had a psilocybin. Maybe it's still illegal. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.200 I don't think they are. Yeah, they're in Oregon. They are. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:01.800 Yeah. 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.480 Well, there you go. So I'm interested to know what 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.480 questions you had before you decided to embark on your 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.439 hiking lifestyle or is this something you've always done. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:12.280 I mean, my family and I we never really did 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.520 outdoorsy stuff, so it was something I did when I 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.800 was like finishing high school. I started to be like, wow, 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.360 I live in a place where I can go hiking, 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:20.080 and I've never. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.319 Done this before. So it was a learning curve. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.800 But I started when I was like seventeen, and I 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:26.880 got my entire family to go hiking. With me for 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:31.480 the first time. Yeah. It was also when I was 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.920 introducing my mom to like Zoomba. That was the vibe 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.320 back then, So I was trying to get active. But 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:41.400 I think the most important things are I mean, I'm 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.920 a big skincare person. I think some protection cannot be understated, 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:49.160 especially if you are hiking in the middle of the day, 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.160 like when the sun is at its highest point. You 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:55.319 need sunscreen and a hat. There is like some protective 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.600 clothing even that could come in handy, but at the 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:00.960 bare minimum, you need a good hat. Yeah, like not 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.960 even a cap. I like those those fishermen looking hats. 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.280 You got to get the whole circumference. But a cap 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.600 is fine. A cap will do. I think that's the 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.640 most important little accessory for me. It's a hat. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.040 I have one of those, like felted wool hats. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:15.400 Nice. Don't they get hot? 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.360 No? Not really. The wool breeze pretty well. Like it 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.760 was what I was out of the body yesterday helping 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.760 out and it was like a nineteen I was wearing it. 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:25.840 It was fine, and it's wool, so you can like 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.040 diep in the water and it gets wet. Yeah. I 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.360 like one of those. Yeah, I actually have a little 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.760 list of equipment or clothing stuff which maybe I could 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.400 go over. It seems like the vast majority of the 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.520 questions I get people like to DM me their question, 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:41.920 which is great. By the way, I do like it 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:43.240 when people ask me for like. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.520 How can there are no bad questions? 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:48.840 No, there aren't. And like a lot of my career 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.600 as a journalist, like earlier on was doing outdoor media, 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.360 and like, yeah, the outdoor media has gone to complete shit, 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.239 and you know, you can't write anything. It's an advertorial 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.200 now just actually like just to if you are looking 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:05.080 to buy something, and it is basically any product review 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.520 you read on the internet. I understand that the vast 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.240 majority of those will only be products that pay a 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.880 certain percentage back to the website that refers you to them, 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.400 and so then inherently causes a bias against products which 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.000 don't do that. An editor at a big men's magazine 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.120 suggested that I write some reviews about the stuff that 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:21.839 I'd never seen. 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:23.560 They were going to even send them to you. 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.839 Well, the company would have done, but the editor wanted 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.480 the piece in like fifteen minles, which, like I know, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:31.959 I used to do lots of reviews and buy some 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:33.920 stuff and I take it pretty seriously. And because it's 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:34.600 a lot of someone. 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:36.120 I look at those reviews all the time. I have 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.599 to weed out the ones I think are like sponsored, 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.520 but I really, I really like reviews. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:41.719 Yeah. 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:43.880 I go on Reddit a lot to see what people think, 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.680 like their own experience redd. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.640 It's a great place. So I've said that like universally, 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.000 but I do mean with respect. 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.400 To Yeah, it's a place where you can find more 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:57.080 anecdotal experience with stuff versus I don't know, Amazon review. 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.280 Yeah, there are some whoppers on Reddit who in any 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.600 aspect to overestimate their insight into things, but you'll find 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.640 anyone needs innet. So, yeah, I'm going to go through 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:09.160 some different clothing items, stuff I like and stuff that 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.280 I think you can probably find cheap and hopefully that 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.520 will help people kind of especially if you're thinking of backpacking. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.440 It can be very intimidating and expensive, I think, and 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.560 at the start of the PCT almost once a week, 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:23.480 right helping out the border, that's one of the areas 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.000 where people cross and I see people with thousands of 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.800 dollars of gear that is all brand new, and I 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.800 know it can be pretty intimidating, but like you don't 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.840 have to start there, So there's always stuff you have 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.560 a home. Maybe we'll do one on camping later in 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.600 the summer. So you get a hat, any particular hat 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:39.600 preferences sharing. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.360 I don't know the brands, honestly, I don't know unless 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.920 like someone recommended this brand, use this, like my shoes 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:51.960 are I think we talked about this before Solomon No, Yes, 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:56.560 is that a brand? Yeah, Salmon, And I was like, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:57.480 I thought that. 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.880 She read, Yeah, yeah, I think you can. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.720 Find really cheap hats that are protective, you know. I 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.800 don't think you need a big brand for a hat 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.080 as long as it like covers your head in your face. 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.880 Yeah, yeah, totally. I trail run all the time in 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.640 a hat I got free like five years ago. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.520 If anything, I think it's better to have things you 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.360 don't care about getting dirty or ruined, you know, because 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:19.280 you're sure. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.400 I've noticed a lot of outdoor stuff really kind of 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.520 moving towards streetwear. There's this thing that I learned about 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:32.200 recently called gorp core, which is my neme. Okay, the test. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:38.440 I think it's cute. Okay, this is going to be 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.720 the point of disagreement. People like it. When the host 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:42.960 disagree on podcast. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:44.200 How do you define gorp core. 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.880 It's people wearing hiking stuff to go around town, which 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.640 is fine. I do that all the time. I dress 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.760 like a man in ARII catalog, But like, why are 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.200 you making it fashion? And then why have you stolen 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:00.600 my brands who used to make reliable outdoor gear? 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:04.360 And now I agree with that assessment. I will say, 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.520 I don't think wearing hiking stuff is necessary, but I 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.800 do like to look like I'm going on a safari, 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.880 you know. I like that character for me. 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.240 Do you have like a pith helmet and like a No, 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.080 it's just more just like fascinating. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.320 Like shorts that are meant to be hiked in are 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.800 longer usually, and I just think they look better than 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:25.760 other shorts, and you can just wear that and like 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.040 a button down shirt with some leaves on it, it 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.600 look like I'm going on a safari, but I'm just 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:31.520 walking around town. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:38.920 This this vision of nineteen twenty sharen, you know, carriage 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:40.680 seeing a line. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.080 But yeah, gorf core is it's becoming more and more trendy. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.240 And I will say that you're you're right about things 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.200 being more expensive because of it. Because it shouldn't be 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.360 so expensive to be prepared to go on a hike. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.080 Yeah, and like so like for most of the stuff 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.880 I look for when I'm hiking, A lot of brands 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:01.200 I go to, like Outdoor Research, Mountain Hardware. I'll list 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.119 some other stuff as we go through, but like Arctics 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.760 and Patagonia seem to have taken off in price and 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.760 like decoupled from other stuff which literally uses the same materials. Right, 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.720 One of the things I would suggest if you're trying 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.720 to buy outdoor gerrias look at the materials used, because 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:17.760 you know you might find the same material used in 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.880 another piece somewhere else, and it might cost less, right 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.439 if it doesn't have that like gorp cor appeal. If 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.119 I just go through some stuff I like really quickly, 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.840 I like to wear buttonup shirts when I hike. Forten 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.080 a whole piece about this. It's like two thousand words 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:32.080 and it's it's on backpenny. 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.200 So what's the reason A very shortened version of the reason. 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.720 They're nice. They cover your neck a bit better. They 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.960 have buttons so you can vent your chest if you 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:46.080 need to, like teacher, get some extra ventilation. Yeah, you 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.080 can roll up the sleeves. You can roll down the 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.840 sleeves that there was very practical. When I met the 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:52.600 president of the Marshall Islands, like one of my little 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.160 hiking batnup shirts because I hadn't been expected to be formal, 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:56.800 and I put on a little tie that they gave 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:57.880 me and I went. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.080 I will say I have worn button down hiking shirts 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:06.800 out and about town because I think they look so oops. 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.480 Yeah, I agree with you, Srian. I think they look cute. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:13.639 You can look cute in them. If you're looking to 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.440 buy some shirts. Outdoor Research has one called the Astroman, 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.919