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Speaker 1: Also media.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, it's me James and I'm joined by Sharen today,

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Speaker 2: and in a rare instance, we are not discussing something

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Speaker 2: terrible and sad. It seems like most of the thinks

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Speaker 2: Serene and I talk about. But it's a fun episode today,

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Speaker 2: isn't it, Shreen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in a good mood, which is crazy to

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Speaker 3: say these days, but I'm happy to be here. I

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Speaker 3: love to be the podcast dummy. I love to have

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Speaker 3: things talks to me at and I listen too. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 3: that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: You've crushed it. No, we won't be taking that again.

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Speaker 2: Let's go from there. I don't want everyone to think

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Speaker 2: Seren is dummy. Suren's very intelligent, but we are making

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Speaker 2: a podcast today about touching grass. A thing that some

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Speaker 2: people need to do has become apparent. I've been on

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Speaker 2: the internet. I think some people need to go outside. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and even if you're not saying the stupidest shit imaginable

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Speaker 2: on Twitter, I still think it's actually really good for

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Speaker 2: you to go outside. Like, I know, this seems to

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Speaker 2: be an episode I do every couple of months, but

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Speaker 2: every single time I have to go and do something

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Speaker 2: traumatic or scary or upsetting for work. I just book

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Speaker 2: a few days afterwards to be by myself in the

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Speaker 2: mountains camp and sort of just not particularly like trying

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Speaker 2: to do massive miles on a trail, just being outside.

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Speaker 2: And I find it's the most healing thing for me.

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Speaker 2: It's how I process all the things that I have

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Speaker 2: to see and hear about for work. And I want

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Speaker 2: you to do that too, podcast listeners. Yeah, and Serene,

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Speaker 2: I want Shrean to do it.

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Speaker 3: Nature is healing, it is, and that makes sense that

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Speaker 3: that's where you go. It makes total sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to be comfortable, like you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're scared sleeping alone outside in a tent by yourself, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's not going to be healing for you. And I

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Speaker 2: can see that. I'm a white dude, right and I

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Speaker 2: go through the outdoors just like I go through everywhere

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Speaker 2: else's white. You know that means that something different experiences. Yes, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we have. That's why sociore is you to think anyway,

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Speaker 2: I want to talk today just about hiking or walking

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Speaker 2: I think it is probably the most successible way to

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Speaker 2: about cycling. It's been a lot of my life cycling.

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Speaker 2: It's expensive and confusing for people.

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Speaker 3: So in your equipment, you know, hiking, you just need

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Speaker 3: to get outside.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like you probably if you're able to move

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Speaker 2: under your own power now, then you can probably go

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Speaker 2: for a walk. I'm going to talk about equipment in

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Speaker 2: the back half, but I think if you're a lot

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Speaker 2: of people seem to have a lot of questions about

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Speaker 2: backpacking equipment, so we'll cover that. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: I want to encourage you to do that. To start

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Speaker 2: you can still get out there. And so to start

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Speaker 2: finding a place, picking a route to go hiking. Did

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Speaker 3: I actually do. I do like a hike. I like

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Speaker 2: Where did you go backpacking? Oh?

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Speaker 3: That'd be a cute little place. But it was so

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Speaker 3: it in a different day. We should have done it

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Speaker 3: a different day. But I do love to hike. I

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Speaker 3: like to be outside. I'm not like the most outdoors

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Speaker 2: There's lots of shit that you don't want to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably inducing behind the bus just for.

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Speaker 3: A scout, Okay, I will do that. I did not,

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Speaker 3: But what I mean is like I really like being outside,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like the outdoors are super humbling sense right,

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Speaker 2: at some point you'll get humbled or hurt. So it's

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Speaker 2: good to always have a bit of respect, yeah, for

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Speaker 2: do not. It can end messily. Seen some people who

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Speaker 2: learn to climb on YouTube really get to grips with

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Speaker 2: I discovered this recently. Lots of these modern smartphones have

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Speaker 3: I purposely have never ever opened that app or activated

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Speaker 2: That's a great stream. I'm proud of you for knowing

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just know myself, it wouldn't be a

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Speaker 3: for a lot of people to like get them motivated

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, especially like if you're someone who's had like

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Speaker 3: But I just think it's a fun fact. I don't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did think you've got a brand new phone.

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Speaker 2: You can just filter on all trails, like you can

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Speaker 3: The weather is probably like the best it's going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, especially as it gets hotter, right, Like

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Speaker 2: You'll be so much happier. If you want to find

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Speaker 2: I like to wear buttonup shirts when I hike. Forten

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Speaker 3: The sun is good for you. You should just like

437
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 3: vitamin D. But y'all know, wear sunscreen, reapply the sunscreen.

438
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 3: I should make a skincare episode. I'm obsessed with this stuff,

439
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,880
Speaker 3: and sunscreen is so important.

440
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 2: It is. You get much better sunscreen outside the US, Yeah,

441
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:28,439
Speaker 2: I do. I use Korean sunscreen. Korean sunscreen is great. Okay, great, Okay.

442
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 2: I get European sunscreen when I'm in the airport.

443
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 3: But also both the European sunscreens and Asian sunscreens, they're

444
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 3: formulated so much differently than the ones in the US.

445
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,879
Speaker 3: I feel like there are certain things that are they're different.

446
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, America is fucking up.

447
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 2: It's because the active ingredients, haven't the FDA. Yeah, okay, yeah,

448
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 2: sunscreen conspiracy, divotion over sharen. Maybe we should take an

449
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: advertising break here in case we land the Koreans.

450
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, let's do it. I want to get

451
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 3: shrooms and Korean suns green under my advertising bill. That

452
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 3: would be great. That's my entire personality.

453
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 2: All right, we're back. We have you enjoyed that advert

454
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 2: for scenes screen. I want to talk about trousers just

455
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 2: in general, but also with reference to hiking. Sometimes I

456
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 2: go out and I drop water for people say that

457
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: they don't die in the desert, and that's something that

458
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 2: I think is one of the coolest fucking things that

459
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,719
Speaker 2: you can do if you live near the border, and

460
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 2: everyone who does it is a massive legend in my opinion.

461
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 2: And even if you just come out once, you could

462
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 2: save someone's life and that's pretty fucking cool. And I

463
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 2: want you, if you live near here, to feel like

464
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 2: you can do that if what's holding you back, if

465
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 2: you don't know what to where or want backpack to

466
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: get Just like dm me on Twitter, but sometimes I

467
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 2: come out in jeans. I would not suggest hiking in jeans.

468
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 2: I would make jeans are great. I love jeans. I

469
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 2: like to climb in jeans. I know Ian, the producer

470
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 2: of this show, have some opinions on people who I

471
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 2: want to hear. Take You haven't seen this, yeah, because

472
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: Ian does tweet very much, so I only found his

473
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: twister like six months ago. One of his tweets with

474
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 2: about why do people working because it's cool lean. No, no, no,

475
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: it's not because you have to climb in jeans, because

476
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: you have to remind people that you were climbing before

477
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: the fucking Alex Honold film came out. And the way

478
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 2: to do that is to be a dirt bag. And

479
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 2: the way to do that is to go to a

480
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 2: second hand shop and buy the ladies jeans sort of stretch.

481
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: The ones that are worn in, because like from New Genes,

482
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 3: seemed so uncomfortable to do anything in in my opinion.

483
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 2: No, you want the stretchy fabric jeens, you know the ones.

484
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: It's okay if they're normal jeens. Yeah, they've got to

485
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 2: be worn in, and then you cut them off a

486
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 2: couple of inches above the ankle so you can see

487
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 2: your feet, and you go climbing in those and a

488
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,959
Speaker 2: cut off T shirt and you keep climbing grungy, because

489
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 2: that's important. You can't be letting all the Have you

490
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: seen this film Free Solo? People change it? So yeah,

491
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 2: oh gosh, yeah, that's one of the things that I

492
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: will never back down.

493
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: That run.

494
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they use the easiest route in my climbing gym

495
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 2: for years. Was cool. Hey, dude, have you seen this film?

496
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: It's called free Solo, which I thought was great. Well, yeah,

497
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 2: you can go climbing in jeans, but don't go hiking

498
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: in jeans. They don't breathe very well, they don't move

499
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: very well. They do chafe very well, and if they

500
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 2: get wet, they suck. So you can get good like

501
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 2: Nico or polyester or like even some with like spandex

502
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 2: or like greens. So they stretch trousers pretty quickly. I

503
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 2: really like Prana trousers that, like the yoga brand. I'm

504
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: wearing some right now. They have a one called the

505
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: Stretch Zion. They have a men's model and a women's model,

506
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: I think, and they're really cheap. They're always on sale.

507
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: I really like those for like a cheap go to

508
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: trouser hiking. So there's a brand called True Work who

509
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: make like technical work clothes, which I like to wear.

510
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: If I'm like when we were constructing shelters a lot

511
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: in Cucumber before the border patrol tore them down. It's

512
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 2: nice to have the little like extra pockets for your

513
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: tools and for your pencil and your tape measure and

514
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I wear those for hiking as well,

515
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: and they're kind of dual PERP. Generally, if you have

516
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 2: trousers that are lightweight, that breathe well and have good flexibility,

517
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: you're good to go. The next thing I have here

518
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: is socks. People really fuck up with socks, and it

519
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: seems like socks and footwear are areas where people really

520
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: get themselves into trouble. Tried this out recently and the

521
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 2: interest of journalism. Actually, there are a couple of brands

522
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: the things that I do just on a whim down tough,

523
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 2: you know, down tough sucks, serene, No, okay, now you do.

524
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: They're a company and Vermont, who make good socks, will.

525
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: Say, I do want I need new hiking socks.

526
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: Okay, good, yeah, sit down, okay. Two brands that I

527
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: would recommend are Features and Done Tough because they fit

528
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: well there will so will still insulates when it's where

529
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: it breathes well. It doesn't burn, but that's not a

530
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 2: big concern for most of us hiking here. Yes, you're

531
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: in a forest far I guess, but they'll find your feet.

532
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: That'll be great. They also have lifetime warranties, which I

533
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 2: think is really cool for so for socks. Yeah that's cool. Yeah,

534
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 2: So I tested these out in the interest of journalism

535
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: and features in science and Science. Yeah, I did a

536
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: did a little double blind test, and I contacted Features

537
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: and done toff and said, hi, I have worn holes

538
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: through the front of my socks. And they said, no problems,

539
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: send them back. And I sent them back and Features

540
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: got me the socks. So what they do is they

541
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: send you a coupon, then you go on their website

542
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: and you order whatever socks you want. And it took

543
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: me about a week and I had new socks. Well

544
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: down tuft took a little bit longer, but I had

545
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: new socks. So like, if you're a person who doesn't

546
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: want to spend a lot of money, you can spend

547
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: your money once and have socks for life, which I

548
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: thought was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. I heard

549
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 2: that they had a good warranty. But then I was like,

550
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: you know what, lots of brands say lots of bullshit,

551
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: to let me test it, and tested I did. It

552
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: turned out to be true in both cases.

553
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 3: I will say for the inexperienced person, I think when

554
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 3: you hear wool socks, you're like, okay, i'll wear those

555
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 3: one that's cold, but no, you have to wear them

556
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: for like it's like temperature regulation, right, It's like, yeah.

557
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: You want to let your foot breathe, right, so you

558
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: don't get like blisters, you do?

559
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: You wear them any weather. That's my point. I feel

560
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 3: like when I hear wool as someone that grew up

561
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 3: in Sokel, I'm like, Okay, it's going to be cold,

562
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 3: No it's not. Just put them on your feet and

563
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 3: your shoe will be war comfy. Also a comfortable shoe essential. Yeah,

564
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're going to get there. But yeah, there

565
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: are different thickness is. You have will socks for cod

566
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 3: wether there, but I also have wolf socks for hot weather, right,

567
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: But they're all wool you know.

568
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, they're just in Actually I wore a

569
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: wool shirt when I did a couple of years ago.

570
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: There was a heat advisory, so I figured that would

571
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: be a good time to go backpacking on the PCT

572
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: because no one else would be there.

573
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, good idea.

574
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: It's great. I had a wonderful time. It was not

575
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 2: molested by people. You saw some snakes. It was nice.

576
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 2: Rescue the dude.

577
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: Did you wear sunscreen?

578
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did in that instance, anah, actually yeah, this

579
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: was after my sunscreen awakening.

580
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: Oh great, I'm so glad.

581
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 2: Don't go out without water. This dude was out looking

582
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: for Kitchen Creek Falls, which if you're not familiar as

583
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: a seasonal waterfall in these county San Diego. And he

584
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: was probably about three or four months late or early,

585
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: depending on how you look at it. And so I

586
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: had gone out without water. Which don't be relying on

587
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. If it says water on the map,

588
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 2: that's cool. Still bring water, especially you're in the desert. Yeah,

589
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: let's talk about shoes. I think people want to go

590
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: hiking in boots because that's what like you think of

591
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: when you think of like grambling or hiking. But like

592
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: if you don't wear boots for work or habitually, you know,

593
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: for just like crosspunk reasons, then you might be really

594
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 2: uncomfortable in boots, Like you're not used to hard things

595
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: rubbing your ankles. So we would not suggest and unless

596
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: you're putting on load, like I wear boots if I'm backpacking. Certainly,

597
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: if I'm like pack rafting or something where I've got

598
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: like the raft and everything else and I'm going to

599
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: do it a long hiking, right, so I've got all

600
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: my camping stuff and the raft I'm gonna wear boots

601
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: or if I'm off trails when we drop water. We're

602
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: not going on trails, right, We're just sort of out

603
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: and about climbing up mountain. So I'll wear boots for that.

604
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: But for almost everyone, especially if you're hiking on trails,

605
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: you're going to be just fine with shoes. I think

606
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: the big thing. Boots give you more stability, right, they

607
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: stop your ankle from twitter.

608
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: That's why I wear them.

609
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: I weak ankles. Yeah, it's genetic. I wear boots. Yeah,

610
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: you can work on their little ankle strength stuff you

611
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 2: can do.

612
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 3: But that's not happening. I'll just wear boots.

613
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: Boots maximalist for me, like finding shoes sort of stable

614
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: that like you know, like inherently stabilize my foot without

615
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: clamping my ankle has been really good.

616
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 3: I feel more stable in a boot though you don't

617
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 3: think so.

618
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you're just sort of transferring to me,

619
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: Like sometimes I like to have the ability to move

620
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: my ankles, especially like I like to trail run as well.

621
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: If I'm to be honest, i'm just going out, I'm

622
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: probably running at the minute, and like even over night

623
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: city it's really fun to just run until it gets

624
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: dark and then sleep and then run again. It's a

625
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: fun thing to do well.

626
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: I'd be curious about your hiking shoe recommendations versus boot.

627
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: So I got three. They're all like they have little

628
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: kind of your foots, like sitting in the insole, not

629
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: on the insult, if that makes sense. So it's like

630
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: cupped a little bit nickeys in possibility. One is the

631
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: Salomon Genesis. It's the cheapest one they make in that line.

632
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: I think it's a really good shoe. I trail running

633
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: in them all the time. Two the other one is

634
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: a Soccony Exodus Ultra two, which it's really cool. It

635
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: has like a softer foam in the middle and then

636
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: a stiffer foam around the outside of your heel. I

637
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: could talk about the shit for hours, but it feels

638
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: very comfortable and soft. But also you're very stable, and

639
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: they're about to be phased out, so you can find

640
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: them really cheap.

641
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: Why are they both to be phased out?

642
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 2: Running shoe companies make a new shoe every year because

643
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: they feel like they need to.

644
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: Human foot has been the same, I would argue.

645
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: For a while. Yeah, it's not changing. Technology advances, right,

646
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: Like shoe foams have come up even in the past

647
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: five or six years. Like, if you have more running

648
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: shoes in the past five or six years, and you

649
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: have the means to buy some more running shoes, Piba

650
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: foams and things like that, like these like high energy

651
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: return phones make running a lot more pleasant. But often

652
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: it's just like a different color scheme, you know, slightly

653
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: different upper. Yeah, and I think in that case you're

654
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: just fine. The other ones that Meryll kind of had

655
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: a reputation for making like old man hiking boots for

656
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: a while, but they're trail running shoes really great.

657
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: That's cool. Yeah, my friend has Meryl shoes and they're cute.

658
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: See they used to be cute. They used to be

659
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: very like dad coded.

660
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

661
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: I think they've turned a corner.

662
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah they have. I'm a big fan. Now I'm wearing

663
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: some right now. Actually, Alex to wear Meryl. The Agility

664
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: Peak one is good. The long Sky is when I'm

665
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: like trail running in burlier terrain. If you're going to

666
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: buy boots or shoes, please try it on or at

667
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: least order them from a website that lets you send

668
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: them back. Yeah.

669
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: I really think that's essential. I messed up the first

670
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: time I really invested in expensive boots. I got them

671
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: after all reading all these reviews, and I hated them.

672
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: Like I walked around my house and I was like,

673
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: these are terrible. But I was able to return them

674
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: to my ARII that was local, and I tried on

675
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: the other shoe I wanted to try on that they had,

676
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: and that was great. I walked around Aria and I

677
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: was like, this is the one you have to try

678
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: them on.

679
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, take the socks you're gonna wear when you're hiking

680
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: as well. They don't just take socks don't feel the same.

681
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: And then we walk around and the next thing I

682
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: had was backpacked. Actually, and I'm going to say the

683
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: same thing, like, the most important thing for a backpack

684
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: is that it fits your body and that it is

685
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: fitted to your body. Ari I will do that for free,

686
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: which is great. Lots of other outdoor shops San Diego

687
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: used to have a Venture sixteen. It's sadly closed rip.

688
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: But anyone who's trying to sell your backpack in person

689
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: and won't fit it to you is probably someone you

690
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: shouldn't buy a backpack from. So if you google around

691
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: enough and you have enough Google for you will find

692
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: a video of me teaching you how to wear your backpack.

693
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: Someone will find that.

694
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: Yes I know, and yeah, I've got a broken arm

695
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: in that video, which you can't tell. I haven't sought

696
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: medical attention. At the time of the video. I got

697
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: hit by a car and then I knew how to

698
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: eat video the next day, so I went to do

699
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: the video. I'd have to make money. It was broke.

700
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: I will say that as someone who isn't the most

701
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: knowledgeable about the stuff, but I like it, and I

702
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: would consider myself like a I don't know, intermediate, not advanced,

703
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: but go into ARII and getting a backpack fit. And

704
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: that's what I did do, shy away from asking questions.

705
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: They're there to help, and I think as soon as

706
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: you get over that, you'll be fine. I feel like

707
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: as soon as I just like accept that these people

708
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: are there to help you and not to shame you,

709
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: hopefully that's great, and like, yeah, they're trying to sell

710
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: you things, but I don't know, just go in with

711
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: a smart head on your shoulders.

712
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, expect people to be well meaning, Like we all

713
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: just want you to be happy and enjoying the outdoors

714
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: with us, it's not a competition with backpacks. Real quickly,

715
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: you've got basically three distinct types. You have ultra light backpacks,

716
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: which you don't have a frame at all. Imagine a

717
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: bucket made of fabric with two straps so attached to

718
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: your back. I wouldn't suggest starting there. You have external

719
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: frame that's where the frame is external and the back

720
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: is clipped onto the frame. And you have internal frame

721
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: where the frame is integral to the bag. Right, most

722
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 2: of the bags you're probably going to look at our

723
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: internal frame to start with. The heavier the bag gets,

724
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: the more structure you get, and the more little pockets

725
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: an organization you get, those can seem super tempting, especially

726
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: when you're looking online and you're seeing like different specs

727
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: and trying to compare them. If you're a person who

728
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: has access to zip block bags, you don't need all

729
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: the pockets, right, Like, yeah, what I do every single

730
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: time they go back back and so I put a

731
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: bin bag in it that waterproofs it. Right, Yeah, it's

732
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: cool if your bags it's waterproof, I don't trust it

733
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: to be waterproof and it doesn't need to because I'm

734
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: going to put a bin bag in there. Anyway, and

735
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: then I put everything in stuff sacks as it block

736
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: bags in there. Likewise, you'll find lots of bags with

737
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: like seventy five ways to access the main pocket. Most

738
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: of the time you're going to have your stuff inside it.

739
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: A waterproof bag anyway, it's not such a big deal.

740
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: I think the most important aspect of a bag that

741
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: used to look at first is just the weight.

742
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can fuck yourself up with a heavy bag.

743
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: Although that said, like, one of the bags that I

744
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: use the most for water up stuff is a Mystery

745
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: Ranch black Jack. It's a military bag. It's heavy, it's

746
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: like a I think it's five point seven pounds for

747
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: a bag, But I'm not trying to be light. What

748
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do is fill it with gallons of water, right,

749
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: and then haul them up and down a mounted So

750
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: I might as well make the bag comfortable because it's

751
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: a negligible percentage of the overall weight of shit I'm carrying.

752
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: That's fair.

753
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: There's a bag with the Radix, the Mystery Ranch make

754
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 2: that I've been using a lot recently, and it's made

755
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: of like very lightweight material like an Ultrolte bag. But

756
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: I like their frames. They have like a yoke that

757
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: kind of wraps around your body as opposed to frame

758
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: that sits on top of your body, and that works

759
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 2: really well for me. Their warranty is good, their products

760
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 2: are good. I've used their bags in every continent apart

761
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: from the Antarctic and never had anything break, especially like

762
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: if you're a person who gets actiss about your ship breaking,

763
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: then you can't go wrong with them. They also have

764
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: incredible discount If you want one but you think it's

765
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: too expensive, take your time and you'll find the way cheaper.

766
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: That's a good bag to get. I like Gregory bags,

767
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: Osprey or a good brand. Osprey bags can.

768
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 3: Tell what I have, But my backpacking backpack is an Osprey.

769
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. They're very comfortable. They have a lot going on

770
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: sometimes and they have that mesh. Do you have the

771
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: one with a mesh? Like? Yeah, they are very comfortable.

772
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: I have an Osprey bag that I really like. I

773
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: took it pack rafting in Alaska and it was great.

774
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: It was bomba If you're just going on a day hike,

775
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: you don't need very much backpack, right, twenty liters or

776
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: whatever is fine, even ten. I really like those running

777
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: vest file backpacks where you have like pogets on the front.

778
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: Have you seen those? You don't have to pack? Oh

779
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: it's cool? Yeah, do I have one? Send your piculator

780
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: shreat things? Yeah, I mean you're looking forward to it.

781
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: When I ran, I like to have a little water

782
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: flasks down there, and then that makes sense. Yeah, And

783
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: then I was like, why don't have this on my

784
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: normal backpack? Why am I having to like reach around

785
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: for my snacks. I'm all about fishiencies. So running vest

786
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: style backpacks are cool. Camelback has some good ones, everyone

787
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: called the Octane I use a lot. And then when

788
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 2: you're buying a backpack, you'll want to buy a little

789
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 2: water reservoir to go in it. One of the reasons

790
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 2: you're going to waterproof everything in your bag is because

791
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: every single water reservoir that you put in your backpack

792
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: will break at some point, and when it does, it

793
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: will send its contents into your bag and it will

794
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: be a bad day. And as you have water proved everything,

795
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: this will happen to you, especially if you like sit

796
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: down and lean back and then you crush it. So

797
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: that's where you're gonna water with everything. But I think

798
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: hydro pack like the best ones. I really like that,

799
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 2: insulated ones. Even if you don't get an insulated bladder,

800
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: get it insulated. Sucky su Susa worcherine. Thank you. Last

801
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: podcast of the day here, guys. Yeah, getting intated straw

802
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 2: because when it's really colder, who is your straw will

803
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: freeze because it's just like a small amount of water

804
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: right when it freezes more quickly.

805
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: I never thought of that. I only backpacked and highten

806
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: really hot weather.

807
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, when it's below freezing, like even like I was

808
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: out on Palamar in October, a surry turned from a

809
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: Curtis Dan so it was, you know, below freezing up

810
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: of the mountain and know my water phrase, you can

811
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: blow your water back out again, but you're just going

812
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: to forget to do that realistically. And then yeah, the

813
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: last thing I had was hiking poles. Hiking poles great.

814
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 3: I've never had a pole.

815
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 2: You never had a pole? If you ever had a stick?

816
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: I mean it likes fine ones, And I guess I

817
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: don't hike on the things I might need a pull for.

818
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know.

819
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're great if you're someone who's like maybe has

820
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: some injuries or you're worried about your knees just because

821
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: they hurt in general life. They were a great way

822
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: to take this strain.

823
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: Of the I'm trying to give into my mom to

824
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: get a pair of poles, because I think she would

825
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: really benefit from them, because she wants to go on

826
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: all these hikes and yeah, just needs help. So there's

827
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: no shame in getting a pole or two.

828
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: I will donate your mom some poles. Sarene Oh, it's

829
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: my gifts, my gift you. Suren's mom helped me translate

830
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: for some migrants the other day. My mom's the best

831
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: I'll send your mom. Don't be afraid of using them.

832
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: Don't be thinking that like anyone's going to judge you

833
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: for using them. Like if that makes you feel more

834
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: stable and come table, go for it. Don't buy the

835
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: ones that telescope I mean by telescope, like yeah, because

836
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: they collapse. And I remember I was up in the

837
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: Sierras six or seven years ago now and it was

838
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: fucking snowier than I'd expected. Then my stupid hiking pole

839
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: collapsed into itself. It just it just made the day

840
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: like less fun.

841
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine that.

842
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 2: But otherwise it's stick is great, right, find a nice

843
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: stick phone with a nice notch your thumb. You get

844
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: it from a nice type of wood. Used to love

845
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: making sticks when I was little. You can get a

846
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: stick topper. You can order them online. You know, it's

847
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: got like a head of a dog or a pheasant

848
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: or a deer.

849
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: Or a cane. It's like a fancy little cane.

850
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had crooks, you know, a crook no, for

851
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: like when you're catching your sheep, James.

852
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: Why you mean, like there's the hook looking thing.

853
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's called a croak. I did not know that.

854
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: I know what you're talking now that you mentioned sheep.

855
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 3: I know what that is, but I've never known.

856
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're sheep eggs. But yeah, it's got a crook.

857
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: We so those great for walking? I can see that. Yeah, yeah,

858
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: so we we used to use those a lot when

859
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: I was a kid. But yeah, having one is great.

860
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: And I think especially like if you're nervous about falling

861
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 2: going you know with your person who worries about the knees.

862
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: If you're picking your first route, keep it pretty flat.

863
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: If you're going up my down a lot of elevation

864
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Speaker 2: and you're worried about how that's going to feel. The

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Speaker 2: poles are a good way to mitigate someonem worried that

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Speaker 2: I'm going to fall on my knees. But yeah, don't

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Speaker 2: feel afraid of using that stuff. Oh, I forgot to

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Speaker 2: say one thing. In my shoes. Think chacos are the

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Speaker 2: best sandals. Fuck all other sandals. That's what I have

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Speaker 2: to say about that. You know when you're cool because

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00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: you have the z from the chaco's burned onto your feet. Well,

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00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: unless you practice foot skincare, which I've not upgraded to

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Speaker 2: that level yet.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about getting those. I remember I was

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Speaker 3: signing between those and something else, and I got off

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Speaker 3: for something else. But now I have to go back

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Speaker 3: and get those.

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Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, I rafted with some people

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Speaker 2: who listened to the podcast. They invited me and I

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00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: went and we did a week on the Colorado. Oh

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Speaker 2: that's so cool. You're so trusting little irl. I like

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Speaker 2: to go outside. It was cool. I like people. So

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Speaker 2: some of them reached out and I said, yeah, let

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Speaker 2: let's go for a rafting trip. So we went on

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Speaker 2: a rafting trip on the Colorado River. And now I

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Speaker 2: wore my chackos the whole time, while sun cream none

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Speaker 2: of the time. Feet were just roasted, just red, but

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Speaker 2: with a little z from the chack for the whole summer. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: they are very comfortable sandals. One of my friends, another

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Speaker 2: podcast listener, is hugging the PCT in his chackos right now.

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Speaker 2: Thanks go to Canada. So yeah, I hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 2: They know who they are. Surprisingly enough, I've gone long

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Speaker 2: talking about outdoor things.

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Speaker 3: But no, I'm glad you took the time to make

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Speaker 3: this little list. I realized I don't have to be

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Speaker 3: as big of a dummy as I thought. I thought

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Speaker 3: I was going to come in here and being a

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Speaker 3: huge dummy. I know more than I think I do.

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Speaker 3: You know, and I know what to do outside most

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Speaker 3: of the time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sure, yes you do. Thank you for listening to

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Speaker 2: me talking about going outside. If you have any questions,

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00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: you can DM me on Twitter. That's the only way

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Speaker 2: I communicate with anyone now, don't have a dm me

905
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: and I'll send you my email. But really, like I

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00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: just want people to feel that the outdoors is for

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Speaker 2: them and feel safe and feel comfortable and feel like

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00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: they know all the things they need to know, and

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00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: to not buy stuff because someone's getting three percent back

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00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: on it even though they've never touched it in their

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Speaker 2: whole lives. And also, like I know that we're all

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Speaker 2: fucking poor and spending your money is hard. So I've

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Speaker 2: tried to suggest stuff so it's not crazy expensive or

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Speaker 2: that you can find on sale. But if you have questions. Oh,

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Speaker 2: one more thing, there's a company called Outdoor Vitals which

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Speaker 2: has a subscription. You can be a member and then

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Speaker 2: you can get a lot of their stuff cheap for backpacking.

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Speaker 2: It's a good company and they make some good stuff

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Speaker 2: and they do some good stuff the outdoors as well.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, if you have questions, you can message me.

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Speaker 2: We will do one about what to put in your

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Speaker 2: bag when you get backpacking eventually, Yeah, go outside. Send

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Speaker 2: us your photos if you're going outside, if they're not weird,

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Speaker 2: we would like there.

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