WEBVTT - How Much Did Jane Austen Earn From Her Books (And Why Wasn’t It More)?

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Part Time Genius, the production of Kaleidoscope

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<v Speaker 1>and iHeartRadio. Guess what, Mango? What's that? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's say I invite you over for ice

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<v Speaker 2>cream and give you a dessert spoon to eat it with.

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<v Speaker 2>I also offer you coffee from a coffee urned. So

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<v Speaker 2>who would we be celebrating here?

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<v Speaker 1>Mango? Can I have another clue?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, if you don't want a coffee, I'll serve you

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<v Speaker 2>tea with a tea ladle, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds nice, but I still have no idea what you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>You get one more clue, Mega, You know I never

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<v Speaker 2>get more than three clues. So I'm throwing this party

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<v Speaker 2>for someone who's two hundred and fiftieth birthday just so

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<v Speaker 2>happens to be on December sixteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Jane Austen nailed at mango, You're so smart.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Austin was the first

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<v Speaker 2>person to use these terms in writing. She didn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>coin them, but she definitely helped codify them. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>the dessert spoon first appeared in a letter she wrote

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<v Speaker 2>back in eighteen oh eight. Apparently no one had ever

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<v Speaker 2>bothered writing about dessert spoons before. In fact, the OED

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<v Speaker 2>credits her with around two hundred different words, and they

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<v Speaker 2>run the gamut from the verb to chaperone. The noun

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<v Speaker 2>existed before that, but she verbed it. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 2>verbed something?

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<v Speaker 1>I have?

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty impressively. So to the phrase if I've told you once,

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<v Speaker 2>I've told you one hundred times, which I think is

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<v Speaker 2>like the eternal mom phrase. Right, that's pretty amazing that

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<v Speaker 2>what Austin actually wrote was if I have spoken once

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<v Speaker 2>to Rebecca about that carpet. I am sure I have

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<v Speaker 2>spoken at least a dozen times, but you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>the gist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that carpet. Second, well, thank you to Jane Austen

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<v Speaker 1>for all of those terms. But uh, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>definitely used the if I've told you once a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit, but I don't really talk about coffee

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<v Speaker 1>earns something.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not me either, but it's just nice to know

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<v Speaker 2>they're out there. But today we have eight more facts

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<v Speaker 2>about the Great Jane Austin in honor of her two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fiftieth birthday, So let's dive in. Hey, their

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<v Speaker 2>podcast listeners, welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm Will Pearson,

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<v Speaker 2>and as always i'm here with my good friend Mangesh

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<v Speaker 2>hot Ticketter and over there in the booth just brooding

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<v Speaker 2>on a more as our friend and producer Dylan Fagan,

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<v Speaker 2>just brooding.

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<v Speaker 1>It is remarkable how you fit that more backdrop into

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<v Speaker 1>that booth, and also just how brooding he looks. He

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<v Speaker 1>really does it well, so will. Today is a very

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<v Speaker 1>special birthday celebration of Jane Austen. And I'm cure, are

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<v Speaker 1>you a fan? Like, were you familiar with her work

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<v Speaker 1>before we started working on this episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you feel like there was sort of mandatory two

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<v Speaker 2>three Jane Austen titles in AP English.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I could recite much.

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<v Speaker 2>From them at this point, but I know we read

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<v Speaker 2>a decent amount, how about you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I have definitely skimmed Jane Austen. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I've read Jane Austen, but my mom

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge fan, so she and my sister had

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<v Speaker 1>not only read everything, but like also watched every single

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<v Speaker 1>PBS and BBC adaptation and there's so many of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then all the movies of course, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>variations like A Clueless and whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I do feel like she's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>authors that you read too young in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, let's make a commitment.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's return to Jane Austin after this episode in our sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But I actually remember this one time. I was in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>DC and I was riding the Metro and I saw

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<v Speaker 1>this guy who had clearly just worked out and was

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the gym. And he looked roided up to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like wearing a tank top, and he

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<v Speaker 1>looked really gruff, and he was like tatted up, and

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<v Speaker 1>he seemed so intimidating. But I could tell he was

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<v Speaker 1>reading a book. And you know, I'm a curious cat.

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<v Speaker 1>There are also like so many people on the train

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<v Speaker 1>that I was like kind of like poking around trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what he was reading. And I finally

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<v Speaker 1>caught a glimpse of the cover and it was Emma.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's perfect. You're totally profiling this guy a picture.

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<v Speaker 2>You actually like climbing up over his muscles to see

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<v Speaker 2>the book.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember thinking I like this guy more now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, anyway, let's get back to the fact. So

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<v Speaker 1>one thing I did not realize is that Jane Austen

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<v Speaker 1>only completed six novels in her lifetime, oh way, and

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<v Speaker 1>four of these were actually published anonymously, but she finished

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<v Speaker 1>all her books in the same location, a place called

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<v Speaker 1>Chotten Cottage. Chotten Cottage is located, unsurprisingly in Chotten, Hampshire,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a small village. It's around fifty miles or

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<v Speaker 1>so sod of London, and Jane lived there with her mom,

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<v Speaker 1>her sister and her friend for eight years. This was

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<v Speaker 1>from eighteen oh nine until she died at the age

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<v Speaker 1>of forty one in eighteen seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I noticed you said finished her novels there. Does

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<v Speaker 2>that mean she started them somewhere else?

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<v Speaker 1>She did. She wrote the first drafts of three of

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<v Speaker 1>her novels, Pride and Prejudice, Sense and Sensibility in north

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<v Speaker 1>Anger Abbey at Steventon House, the country home where she

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<v Speaker 1>was born, but she finished those and also Mansfield Park,

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<v Speaker 1>Persuasion and Emma all at Chotten and Shotten is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a must visit spot for Austin fence. It is maintained

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<v Speaker 1>as her house museum and much of it has been

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<v Speaker 1>restored to look like it would have been in the

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<v Speaker 1>early eighteen hundreds. The museum also holds many of Jane

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<v Speaker 1>Austin's possessions like her jewelry, the first editions of her books,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of my favorite things is the twelve sided

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<v Speaker 1>wooden table where she worked at.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta Love a Good Dodeca Gone Right, And besides writing

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<v Speaker 2>these novels and letters at that she probably also used

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<v Speaker 2>it to copy down some of her favorite piano scores.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the Austin family and especially Jane, they were

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<v Speaker 2>super into music. In twenty fifteen, scholars at the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Southampton digitized most of the Austin family music books

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<v Speaker 2>collection and made them available to the public. So they're

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<v Speaker 2>around twenty volumes of music, and seven of them belonged

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<v Speaker 2>specifically to Jane, including titles like Songs and Duets and

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<v Speaker 2>Juvenile Songs and lessons for young beginners who don't know

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<v Speaker 2>enough to practice. That sort of reminds me of Derek

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<v Speaker 2>Zulander's Well was School for kids who don't read good

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing. This one's probably a little better than that.

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<v Speaker 2>But she actually copied out by hand.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. So this means she actually played piano.

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<v Speaker 2>She did, and this was a pretty common thing at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, like the piano was considered an instrument that

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<v Speaker 2>a woman of certain statures should know how to play,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to entertain a husband or potential guest. Jane, however,

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<v Speaker 2>did not play for company, but she did like to

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<v Speaker 2>practice in the morning before anybody else woke up.

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<v Speaker 1>So what sort of stuff was she jamming on before

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<v Speaker 1>anyone could wake up to hear it? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>The family collection includes a lot of popular composers at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, like friends Joseph Hayden, as well as you

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<v Speaker 2>know folk songs like the Groves of Sweet Myrtle with

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<v Speaker 2>lyrics by Scottish poet Robert Burns. There's also some naval songs,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes sense. Jane had two brothers who served in

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<v Speaker 2>the British Navy, and a song called Crazy Jane that

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<v Speaker 2>scholars believe may have been actually a family joke. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Jane may have played nursery rhymes for her nieces and

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<v Speaker 2>nephews and sang for them too. According to her family,

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<v Speaker 2>she had a really nice singing voice, so even if

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't perform them in public, music was a big

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<v Speaker 2>part of her life. Some experts actually say it influenced

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<v Speaker 2>her writing too, like the rhythm of her language. You

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine that being the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I believe that it's so funny though, like that

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<v Speaker 1>she has a nice singing voice, like I've never thought

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<v Speaker 1>about Jane Austen's voice. Yeah yeah, And she could have

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<v Speaker 1>like a terrible singing voice or ara, like, it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have been something I thought about. Worn out. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to dedicate this next fact to Dylan, who's

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<v Speaker 1>still over there rooting bad. It's terrible, But it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out that mister Darcy, the love interest of Elizabeth Bennett

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<v Speaker 1>and Pride and Prejudice, may have been inspired by a

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<v Speaker 1>real life nobleman that Jane knew. So as a side note,

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<v Speaker 1>I know mister Darcy is a beloved figure, So let

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<v Speaker 1>me just issue the big caveat that all of this

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<v Speaker 1>is conjecture and it's really on the part of Jane

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<v Speaker 1>Austen scholars. So I should also say there have been

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<v Speaker 1>many possible contenders for this honor through the years, including

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<v Speaker 1>a young, good looking and absolutely broke Irish law student.

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<v Speaker 1>His name was Thomas Lefroy, whom Jane met in the

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<v Speaker 1>late seventeen hundreds. It is unclear if they ever dated

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<v Speaker 1>in the current sense of the term, like they made

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<v Speaker 1>have gone on walks with things like that, but they

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<v Speaker 1>definitely exchanged flirtatious letters, and whatever their situationship was. It

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<v Speaker 1>ended when Lefroy married a rich heiress instead.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Well, I'm not sure he deserved her anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I don't think you did. More recently, doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Law, a writer and Austin aficionado, came to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that Darcy may have been based on a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>John Parker, more commonly known as Lord Boringdon. Now Jane

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<v Speaker 1>knew Lord Boringdon through his second wife, Francis, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a close friend of hers, but the word, at least

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<v Speaker 1>in Southern England was that everyone kind of knew Lord

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<v Speaker 1>Boringdon because of his very scandalous first marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you're saying Lord Boringdon was actually pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>He definitely had a reputation as a ladies man. Before

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<v Speaker 1>he got married, he had a long and open affair

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<v Speaker 1>with a married woman named Lady Elizabeth Monk, but she

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't leave her husband for him. So Boringdon, who was

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<v Speaker 1>in his thirties at this point, went ahead and married

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<v Speaker 1>an eighteen year old named Augusta Faine. But after a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years he started cheating on Augusta with a

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<v Speaker 1>ballerina he'd met, and meanwhile, Lady Elizabeth was also back

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<v Speaker 1>in the picture because she was still unwilling to fully

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<v Speaker 1>cut things off with Lord Boringdon.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, that's pretty juicy, And.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually gets juicier because young Lady Augusta, she's aware

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<v Speaker 1>her husband is, you know, Tom catting about, so she

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<v Speaker 1>starts having an affair with a guy named Sir Arthur Paget.

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<v Speaker 1>And in a weird twist, Paget's brother is married to

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<v Speaker 1>one of Lady Elizabeth's daughters. But even more scandalous than

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<v Speaker 1>that is that Paget is a college buddy of Lord Boringdon's.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm trying to keep up with this and to say, like,

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<v Speaker 2>how weird that twist is, But I gotta be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting a little bit lost here. So how about

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<v Speaker 2>you just tell me if there's a happy ending to this?

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<v Speaker 2>There is?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, Well, after finding out about Augusta's affair, Lord

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<v Speaker 1>Boringdon divorced her, which was fined by her. She actually

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<v Speaker 1>got married to Sir Paget three days later, and a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of months after that, Boringdon marries Jane's friend Francis,

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<v Speaker 1>and to everyone surprised both of these marriages actually last.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so you were talking about how Lord Boringdon

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<v Speaker 2>could actually be the inspiration for mister Darcy. Right, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you remember, like, they don't sound anything alike. So

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<v Speaker 2>how is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the academics admit they don't have any actual

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<v Speaker 1>proof of this, Like this Darcy comparison is based mostly

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<v Speaker 1>on his appearance, even though the physical description of mister

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<v Speaker 1>Darcy in the books is pretty minimal if you remember so.

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<v Speaker 1>Austin actually writes quote that he drew the attention of

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<v Speaker 1>the room by his fine, tall person, handsome features and

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<v Speaker 1>noble maine. Apparently Lord Boringdon had all of those qualities,

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<v Speaker 1>and because Jane was good friends with his second wife,

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<v Speaker 1>she probably spent time with him and could have used

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<v Speaker 1>this experience to inform her depiction of mister Darcy's a lore.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's a bonus Darcy fact for all of you

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<v Speaker 1>Darcy lovers out there. Colin Firth made a huge splash

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<v Speaker 1>literally when he played the role in the nineteen nineties

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<v Speaker 1>BBC mini series. There is a famous scene where he

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<v Speaker 1>goes swimming in the lake, and just last year, that

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<v Speaker 1>same costume he wore in that scene sole at auction

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty thousand pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's a lot of money for some like wet

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<v Speaker 2>used clothes, but just goes to show people are passionate

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<v Speaker 2>about these characters. All Right, we have to take a

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<v Speaker 2>quick break, but when we come back, we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Jane Austen's famous fans, the last piece she wrote, and

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<v Speaker 2>so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>So stay tuned, Welcome back to Part Time Genius, where

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Christine, that's so impressive that you laid them all

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<v Speaker 2>Made it all the way in Malaysia. That's fantastic. Good job,

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever mentioned that before, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So back to Jane Austin. You know, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that really struck me when I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing the research for this episode was that despite her

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<v Speaker 2>novel's popularity, she didn't make that much money from book

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<v Speaker 2>sales while she was alive. In fact, one scholar estimated

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<v Speaker 2>that Austin made around six hundred and thirty one pounds

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<v Speaker 2>before tax or five hundred and seventy five pounds after tax,

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<v Speaker 2>which would work out to about fifty six thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in today's money. Now. Obviously, since then the books have

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<v Speaker 2>sold a lot more, but it's safe to say that

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<v Speaker 2>writing did not make Jane rich in her lifetime. Part

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<v Speaker 2>of the reason for this is that she died quite young. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, she was only forty one, and her debut novel,

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<v Speaker 2>Since Insensibility, wasn't published until eighteen eleven, just six years

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<v Speaker 2>before she died, and her last two novels were published posthumously,

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<v Speaker 2>which means she was only alive to see four books

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<v Speaker 2>published over the course of six years.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I get all that, but I'm still kind

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<v Speaker 1>of surprised that there was such little money involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, like many writers, she had a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>less than favorable deals, particularly for her most popular book,

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<v Speaker 2>Pride and Prejudice, which was first published in eighteen thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and for whatever reason, she agreed to a one time

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<v Speaker 2>payment of only one hundred and ten pounds. The publisher,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, made a lot more money than that, but

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<v Speaker 2>by the time she died, her publisher had made more

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<v Speaker 2>than four times what they'd paid for that book. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 2>she made better deals with her other novels. Instead of

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<v Speaker 2>a flat fee, she was able to get a percentage

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<v Speaker 2>of her profits. But there was one other snag to this.

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<v Speaker 2>The profits for her fourth novel, Emma, were tied to

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<v Speaker 2>a reprint of her third novel, Mansfield Park, and although

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<v Speaker 2>Mansfield Park's first edition sold well, the second edition did not.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of that, she wound up only making about thirty

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<v Speaker 2>eight pounds on Emma, and she died before she could

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<v Speaker 2>see any additional money from that.

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<v Speaker 1>That is insane. You know, it's funny. They seem like

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<v Speaker 1>such unglamorous and contemporary problems like negotiating contracts and tracking

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<v Speaker 1>book sales. But you know, lucky for us, that did

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<v Speaker 1>not stop Austin from writing, especially because it's fun to

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<v Speaker 1>see how her fan base has grown, Like did you

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<v Speaker 1>know that Dwayne Wade, the NBA star is a huge

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<v Speaker 1>fan Musician BB King and Kelly Clarkson, they are just massive.

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<v Speaker 1>Jane Austin fans. I did not know that. No. Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>Clarkson is such a big fan that she bought one

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<v Speaker 1>of Austin's rings at auction in twenty twelve, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Brits weren't happy about it, leaving the country. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>so much so that after Clarkson won this auction, the

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<v Speaker 1>UK government put a temporary ban on the rings export,

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<v Speaker 1>which gave enough time for other fans, presumably British ones,

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<v Speaker 1>to raise enough money to buy the ring from Clarkson

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<v Speaker 1>and give it to Jane Austen's House museum, where it

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<v Speaker 1>still is today. You know, it's also impossible to overstate

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<v Speaker 1>the impact Jane Austin had on English culture. Her books

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<v Speaker 1>were actually given to British soldiers in World War One

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<v Speaker 1>to help recover from PTSD. Oh interesting, yeah, and along

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<v Speaker 1>similar lines. After Rodyard Kipling's son was killed in the

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<v Speaker 1>First World War, he actually read Austin's novels to his

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<v Speaker 1>wife and daughter as a bit of levity and solace

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<v Speaker 1>during their grief. And in nineteen twenty four Kipling wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a short story called The Jay Knights. It's about a

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<v Speaker 1>soldier serving in France during World War One. He finds

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<v Speaker 1>out about this secret club, the Society of the Jay Knights,

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<v Speaker 1>which he can join, but he's only allowed entry after

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<v Speaker 1>he reads every single one of Austin's novels. So he

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<v Speaker 1>starts reading them, and he really isn't into it at first.

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<v Speaker 1>He has this great line where he says her books quote,

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<v Speaker 1>weren't adventurous, nor smutty, nor what you'd even call interest in.

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<v Speaker 1>But he gets through them all. He passes the Society's

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<v Speaker 1>tests and he is officially accepted. But the companionship he

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<v Speaker 1>finds in the society, plus all their conversations about Jane Austin,

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<v Speaker 1>actually helped him get through the dilace. And then when

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<v Speaker 1>their bases attack, the guy gets wounded and he's struggling

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<v Speaker 1>to board this crowded hospital train and he meets a

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<v Speaker 1>nurse and quotes Jane Austen to her and she recognizes

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<v Speaker 1>it and then takes pity on him and gets him

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<v Speaker 1>on the train. And so Jane Austen in this book

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<v Speaker 1>saves his life. Wow. Yeah. Towards the end of the story,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, quote, I read all her six books now

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<v Speaker 1>for pleasure. You take it for me, brethren. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>one to touch Jane when you're in a tight place.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually pretty sweet, even though it's a funny quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that soldiers might have been drawn

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<v Speaker 2>to was Austin's distinctive style of writing, especially her use

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<v Speaker 2>of something literary scholars call free indirect discourse. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's one of those styles that you may be familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with now you may see it pretty frequently. She didn't

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<v Speaker 2>invent this style, but actually she was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>first writers to use it, so, you know, consistently and effectively,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when you know it really pulls you into

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<v Speaker 2>the inner lives of her characters. Actually read one paper

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<v Speaker 2>that described it as kind of like a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>ventriloquism by the narrator. So it allows Austin, as the

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<v Speaker 2>third person, omniscient narrator, to dip in and out of

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<v Speaker 2>the character's inner dialogue and thoughts, which makes you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you understand them and know them a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's actually an example from Emma, which is about a

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<v Speaker 2>young woman who has, you know, shall we say, an

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<v Speaker 2>unwarranted confidence in her ability to read a romantic situation.

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<v Speaker 2>And so early on there's this scene where Emma and

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Frank are alone together We the readers

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<v Speaker 2>already know that Emma thinks Frank is in love with her,

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<v Speaker 2>but we also understand Emma may not be seeing everything

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<v Speaker 2>so clearly. So Austin, you know, kind of plays with this.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's what she says. He stopped again, rose again

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<v Speaker 2>and seemed quite embarrassed. He was more in love with

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<v Speaker 2>her than Emma had supposed. And who can say how

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<v Speaker 2>it might have ended if his father had not made

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<v Speaker 2>his appearance.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of subtle, and that bit more in

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<v Speaker 1>love with her than Emma had supposed. Like that's Emma's voice,

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<v Speaker 1>not the narrators.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right, and like all of our own inner voices,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't always assess the situation accurately, because later in

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<v Speaker 2>the novel, Emma will learn that no, Frank is not

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<v Speaker 2>in love with her. And even if we the readers

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<v Speaker 2>already know this, we get to be part of the

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<v Speaker 2>drama as she starts to kind of figure this out.

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<v Speaker 2>Free and direct discourse lets us empathize with a character

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<v Speaker 2>but laugh at them a little bit at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, on a sado topic, we should talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>Jane Austen died. And the thing is even today, no

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<v Speaker 1>one knows the cause. Her sister destroyed most of Jane's letters,

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<v Speaker 1>anything that talked about medical stuff, So all we have

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<v Speaker 1>to go on are some known symptoms, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>them was discoloration of her skin, plus some of the

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<v Speaker 1>contextual clues. Over the years, many scholars have aligned with

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<v Speaker 1>the belief that she died from Addison's disease, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an autoimmune disease that affects your adrenal glands, but other

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<v Speaker 1>speculations have ranged from tuberculosis to various cancers including hotgkin

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<v Speaker 1>lymphoma or lupus, or even complications from drinking raw milk.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's not the laugh at it, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>a really wide assortment of potentially fatal conditions here. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that we really know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we didn't really narrow it down, and these are

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<v Speaker 1>obviously all theories. But one possibility that stuck out to

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<v Speaker 1>me was arsenic poisoning.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, all right, like an Agatha Christie novel. So

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<v Speaker 2>where does that theory come from?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, about a decade or so ago, the British

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<v Speaker 1>Library was given three pairs of Jane Austen's eyeglasses, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least the family says they were hers, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were found in her desk. The library was surprised

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<v Speaker 1>to learn that each pair had a different prescription and

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit stronger than the last, meaning if these

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<v Speaker 1>are the glasses of one person, it suggests that Austin's

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<v Speaker 1>vision deteriorated really rapidly in the last couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>of her life. The library spoke to an optometrist who

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<v Speaker 1>also took a look and said, well, one reason that

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<v Speaker 1>her vision got so bad so quickly could be cataracts,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's odd for someone who's so young. And something

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<v Speaker 1>that can cause that is arsenic poisoning.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I get that, but that also feels like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of hypothesizing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, the library was quick to add that

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't suggesting she'd been murdered, but also, arsenic was

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<v Speaker 1>found in water and medication, even wallpaper back then, so

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<v Speaker 1>arsenic poisoning actually wasn't that uncommon for the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>it also comes with unusual facial pigmentation. So it's a theory.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a sure thing. That said, I'm sure it

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<v Speaker 1>could inspire like a really great bestseller if someone took

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<v Speaker 1>it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true, all right, we got one fact left.

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<v Speaker 2>So to close this out, I want to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>about the very last thing she wrote. Wasn't a story

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<v Speaker 2>or even a letter. It was actually a poem.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was the poem about? All right? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Jane died on July eighteenth, eighteen seventeen, in Winchester, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a town near Chawton. She and her sister had

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<v Speaker 2>rented a room there to be closer to medical care.

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<v Speaker 2>July fifteenth, just a few days before she died, happened

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<v Speaker 2>to be a big day for Winchester. It was not

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<v Speaker 2>only the feast day of Saint swithin the patron saying

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<v Speaker 2>of winch Chester Cathedral. It was also the Winchester Races,

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<v Speaker 2>which sound pretty fun and fancy, and you know, these

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<v Speaker 2>folks would come dressed up in their nicest clothes and

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<v Speaker 2>parade around town. Besides the horse races, there were fairs,

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<v Speaker 2>There were balls, public breakfasts, lots of musical performances, just

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<v Speaker 2>this big celebration. But there was also this religious element

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<v Speaker 2>to it, and Jane wrote about that juxtaposition in her poem.

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<v Speaker 2>She wrote about Winchester's crappy summer weather because there's a

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<v Speaker 2>superstition that if it rains on Saint Swithin's day, it'll

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<v Speaker 2>rain for forty more days, which sounds very Groundhog Day like,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly right, except worse and way more British, I guess. So. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>in the poem, Saint Swiften shows up in Winchester and

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<v Speaker 2>is annoyed that everyone's more focused on the festivities than

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<v Speaker 2>on him, so he curses the city with bad weather,

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<v Speaker 2>effectively raining on their parade. So I'll read you a

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<v Speaker 2>few lines which he writes from Saint Swithin's perspective. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>here it is these races and revels and dissolute measures

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<v Speaker 2>with which you're debasing a name. Bring Plaine, let them stand.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll meet with.

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<v Speaker 1>Your curse and your pleasures set all for your course.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll pursue with my reign.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'd have thought Jane Austen would be more

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<v Speaker 1>interested in all the like flirting and fun at the

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<v Speaker 1>social festivities than the religious aspect of this thing. Although

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess her dad was a clergyman.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, her dad and her grandfather actually they were

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<v Speaker 2>both Church of England clergy so you're right, there's not

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<v Speaker 2>much explicitly religious content in her novels, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>a big part of her life. Her family went to

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<v Speaker 2>church and prayed together. Jane read the Bible and other

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<v Speaker 2>common religious texts of the day, and some of the

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<v Speaker 2>values she upholds in her novels fit right in with

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<v Speaker 2>the Enlightenment era church, things like honesty, charity, duty, and

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<v Speaker 2>good character. So if you ever visit Winchester, do Jane

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<v Speaker 2>Austin a favor. Don't get so caught up in the

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<v Speaker 2>fun that you forget Saint Swiften.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'll never forget so that either ever. Again. We

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<v Speaker 1>are taking a break next week for Christmas, so we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be sharing a fun holiday themed episode from the vault,

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<v Speaker 1>but be sure to tune in on December thirtieth for

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<v Speaker 1>the forty fourth annual Part Time Genius Awards. Forty four. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It is one of our favorite traditions and has been

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<v Speaker 1>to close out the year, so please don't miss it.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was written by the wonderful of Marissa Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, Marissa, and from Will Dylan, Gabe,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary and myself. Thank you so much for listener. Part

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