1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Almost Fais podcast. We are here today 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: to break down all the headlines happening in Bachelor Nation. 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: Ashley has read, up, studied, investigated, and is an expert 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: at all of these headlines, and so she joins us 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: today to answer any questions I may have. The first 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: headline is this Jen Tran I saw this actually reacts 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: to Bachelor franchise being in shambles because of her and 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: Grant Ellis. Now I want to say, Ashley, before you 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: break this down, that headline is hinting at something. It's 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: that fans are blaming Jen and Grant for the downfall 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: of the show, and so Jen is coming to react 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: to that. 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly why are you blaming Jen? She had been 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: screwed over by a guy that they didn't vet and 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: he was a fraud. Honestly, so Grant, well, Grant, I 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: just don't think it was the greatest lead. 19 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 4: But anyway, people are blaming them for the fall of 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 4: the franchise. 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: That's just that's that's ridiculous, ridiculous, yah yah, And she 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 3: is kind of joking back by saying no, no, no, 23 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: you guys are looking at it all wrong. I was 24 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: actually such an amazing bachelorette and my relationship ended in 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: such success. They could simply never find anyone to replace me, 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 3: because my season will forever be ingrained in your little 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: brains and you're never going to get it out of 28 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: your head. Thank you say it with me, Long Live 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 3: Jen Tran. That's what she captioned it. 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of funny, it's it also takes 31 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: some confidence. 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 4: Ye Hey, her season was incredibly memorable. 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: Oh, I think her season was great. I don't think 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: we can blame jan for the downfall of this show. 35 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: I think the show was on kind of a ratings 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: like some ratings momentum coming off a Joey's season. I 37 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: think they had every opportunity to bring this kind of 38 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: momentum in through the Golden Shows and The Bachelorette and 39 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: The Bachelor. And I do think fans reacted to the 40 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: fact that Jin had such a precast and had some 41 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 2: guys on there that obviously should never have been on 42 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: national television. And I think the show definitely felt the 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: repercussions from fans saying I'm done watching this show. If 44 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: I can't even watch it and know that these dudes 45 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: are decent dudes, and then I do I think Grant 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: season struggled. It struggled to find a storyline, It struggled 47 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: to find any like buy in from the audiences. It 48 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: felt disconnected, and as a result, I think all those 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: things kind of compiled on for the show to be 50 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: where it's at today now Ashlely, we're hearing rumors because 51 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 2: it's it means out there the Bachelor has not been 52 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: picked up for another season at this point, which at 53 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: this point in time usually it is, and we're hearing 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: rumors that Paradise's ratings will have a massive on if 55 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 2: The Bachelor gets picked up or not for another season. 56 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 2: So the waight now on Paradise is incredible, and it's 57 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: a whole new production team coming in to do it. 58 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: I guess my simple question to you is it's not simple, 59 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: but do you think Paradise will deliver? 60 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: I'm so loyal to the past group of producers that like, 61 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 3: I'm going to just say that they have a lot 62 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: to live up to, But I do think people are 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 3: really excited for Paradise to be back after the break year. 64 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: I said, the break year is probably in the favor 65 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: of a new production crew because people have been you know, 66 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: they just missing it, so they're eager to press play 67 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: on the first or second episode. 68 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 4: It'll be whether they can grasp them. 69 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: In that to continue people to continue to have people 70 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: watch it throughout. 71 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: It's going to be a big question looming over Paradise 72 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: all season. Are people watching or not? And here is 73 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: my take, They're gonna have a hard time with people 74 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: watching because a lot of these cast members fans have 75 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: never bought into. 76 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 4: We shall see. 77 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: Our next headline actually has to do with the state 78 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: of the franchise. 79 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: Disney TV boss talks future of Bachelor franchise, says new 80 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: leads must meet the bar of excellence. 81 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: So there's shade. 82 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: Now, Jen, I understand you being annoyed at that comment, 83 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: but I still don't think that's aimed at Jen. I 84 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: think that's aimed at Grant. 85 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: I read this headline with complete shade, like they're definitely 86 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 2: blaming leads for the downfall of. 87 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 4: The show, which isn't it on them to pick the lead? 88 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: That was my question is then whose job is to 89 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: pick the lead? Because I know the extensive process by 90 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: which this goes through. It used to kind of just 91 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: be a Mike Fleiss decision, I know, and then he 92 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: would kind of pass it off. But now I'm imagining 93 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: that it did go through a bunch of different lanes 94 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: to actually say, yeah, you can be our lead. So 95 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: I'm hoping and I'll get in trouble for this at 96 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: some point in time. Now, you and I both have 97 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: a lot of respect for the teams that put on 98 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: this show. We have a lot of admiration for the 99 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: executives who have cultivated this show for so many seasons. 100 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: At some point, though, in any leadership role, big or small, 101 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 2: when failure happens, you have to start looking internally too, 102 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: at yourself. You cannot just continue to blame external factors 103 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: or decision makings that somebody else did. Because ultimately, this 104 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: headline says a TV boss talks future of Bachelor franchise. 105 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: They are they have the ability to speak into this 106 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: if this is something they actually care about, and so 107 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: if anybody listens from the franchise, this might reve you 108 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: the wrong way. And I'm not telling anybody specifically, but 109 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 2: if you feel convicted by the statement that I just made, 110 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: maybe that's a sign that you should start looking internally 111 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: and also blaming yourself for some of the downfalls that 112 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: have existed over the last few years. 113 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: But well put okay, So this is his quote. He says, 114 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 3: the Bachelor universe continues to be very important to us. 115 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: The Bachelor installments are no different than any other show. 116 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: You have to have the right cast and the right 117 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: people in front of the camera who have an amazing 118 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 3: story to tell, but also who are willing to share 119 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: their story and reveal themselves. We're only going to roll 120 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: out these as they come together and meet the bar 121 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 3: of excellence that the tradition of the show has set. 122 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 2: Okay, so it sounds like it could take off seasons. 123 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is what it sounds like, because he's like, oh, 124 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: if there aren't people willing to do that, we don't 125 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 3: find these people, then we're only going to put it. 126 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 4: We're only going to put out good people, is what 127 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 4: they're saying. 128 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: Tyler Norris, former Bachelorette contestant and Bachelor and Paradise contestant, 129 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: is engaged to his fiancee Alyssa. 130 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: Yes congratulations you q on Instagram where he announced he said, well, well, 131 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 3: I've been dreaming of this day since I first met you. 132 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 3: You're everything I could have asked for and more. How 133 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: to get so lucky to meet you still doesn't make 134 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: sense to me. I love you more than I can 135 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: explain less. And now let's do this damn thing future, 136 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: Missus Norris, love your fiance. 137 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: He wasn't on BECA season? 138 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 4: Was he? He was on? He was on Tues Seasons 139 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 4: of Paradise. He was on. No, he was definitely not 140 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 4: on BECA season. He was on. 141 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: He's quoting a bachelorette during his. 142 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 4: Let's see this damn thing? 143 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Ugh, he wasn't the Bachelor. Okay, the Bachelor along 144 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: Luke pell mayor is Haley James and western formal wedding 145 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: at his family's Texas ranch. 146 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: Yes, you and I were friends with Luke back at 147 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: Bachelor Winter Games. 148 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: Congrats. 149 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: Yes, we're very happy for him. He and Haley have 150 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: been together for quite some time and they got married 151 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: over this past weekend. It was on his family's ranch 152 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: that we saw back when he was on Jojo season. 153 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: They had one hundred and seventy guests. They had street 154 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: tacos and barbecue and roast chicken and waffles, and they 155 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: had what a burger as a late night stack and 156 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 3: instead of one and kick, they had peach cobbler and 157 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: banana pudding. They are looking forward to starting a family together. 158 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: Congrats Luke, Congratulations to Haley. Congratulations also to Tyler Norris 159 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: and his fiancee Alyssa. Love is in the air in 160 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation and the final headline is this where people 161 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: are questioning if love still is in the air. Juliana 162 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: and Grant discuss breakup rumors that fans have been wondering 163 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: about and if they're still going to Italy. 164 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 3: So they did a Q and A on their Instagram stories. 165 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: We saw them get proposed just two months ago, and 166 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: right now they're talking about, you know, they're a dressing 167 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: the rumors, and Grant says, we have just been getting 168 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 3: ready for the move and everything, but we are together. 169 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 3: They're moving in together in Boston, or at least that 170 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: was the plan when they announced their relationship two months ago, 171 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: and he said that when the move happens, we're about 172 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: to be everywhere. Juliana also responded to the rumors, saying 173 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 3: it was just a bad rumor, lol, and she hung 174 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 3: up her ring in the video with Grant in the background, 175 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: and she said that they have booked flights to Italy 176 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 3: for the trip that the show gets. 177 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: I'm sweet. We hope they're still together. 178 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: We're glad, but you know what, can I just be 179 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 3: a little bit of a drama queen right now, a 180 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 3: little bit of a gossip queen. Always it seems like 181 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 3: there might be some trouble in paradise. I mean, this 182 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: is not like the most definitive sounding response to these rumors. 183 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: We've had a lot of bachelor and bachelorette couples tell 184 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: us they're doing great, uh, when in fact they're not. 185 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: So it's I'm always a little hesitant until like the 186 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: day they get married that you know there is trouble 187 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: in paradise. I just don't. I don't know what the 188 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: two of them. 189 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 3: Then it's the way that he worded this, okay, because 190 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 3: I could break this down instead of saying we are together, 191 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: we're excited to move in together in our new apartment 192 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 3: in Boston in so and so months or like next 193 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,359 Speaker 3: month or next week or whatever. Instead he started by responding, 194 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: we have just I also feel like the word just 195 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 3: is like, Okay, we have just been getting ready for 196 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: the move and everything, what's and everything? But we are together, 197 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: but we are together, just the way that that's worded, 198 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 3: is not worded with. 199 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 4: A sense of confidence or clarity. No details. 200 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll watch, we'll pay attention. So much happening in 201 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation, so much love in the air. Until next time. 202 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: I've been, Ben, I've been, Ashley Grant and Juliana are 203 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 3: probably never coming on our podcast. 204 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 4: See you next time. Bye. 205 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 206 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.