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Speaker 1: Revere, Revere, Donks, look at us now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our fashion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: It is Monday, April twenty seventh, twenty twenty, and it

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Speaker 3: is time for Morning Combat. Hello, donks, my name is

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Speaker 3: Luke Thomas. Thank you so much for joining me. I

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Speaker 3: am one half of your hosting duo. The other half

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Speaker 3: on the other side of the screen. You know this

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Speaker 3: gentleman from CBS Sports among many other gas stations across

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Speaker 3: the land. It is the one and only seven to

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Speaker 3: eleven Cumberland Farms connoissewer. It's Brian Campbell. Brian, how are

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Speaker 3: you good, sir?

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Speaker 1: I am fired up, Luke. It's a new dawn, yo, Luke.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that routine that we used to make

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Speaker 1: spiffy like mister Clean on the Tidbit al Musmidge, And

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Speaker 1: it's called covering fights. It's back, baby sees back. Fights

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Speaker 1: are back. You can take your island and shove it.

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Speaker 2: Luke.

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Speaker 1: I want to get back into that that cocoon of

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Speaker 1: normalcy and let that butterfly start to pop back out again.

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Speaker 1: If you know what I'm saying, Luke, Okay, you know

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Speaker 1: where you know I'm going with that.

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Speaker 2: It's a tortured metaphor, but I'll let it slide just

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Speaker 2: the same. I've had a gallon of pepto BISMOLBC, I

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Speaker 2: feel great and ready to go. Your weekend was okay?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is a good week of good weather

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Speaker 1: in in uh in Connecticut, a little you know, a

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Speaker 1: little little hike in little uh, little action with the dogs,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, I'm ready. I'm back. Look, I

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Speaker 1: feel like my quarantine soul has been healeth and I

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Speaker 1: see the light. I'm coming for it, Luke, I'm coming

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 3: Well, with that in mind, we started a little bit

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Speaker 3: early today because we wanted to make sure that we

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Speaker 3: with that being said, BC, let's get into topic one.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's do it well, we want it.

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Speaker 1: We do want to pressure people. Do uh understood what

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Speaker 1: that for this show to continue to succeed as it is?

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Speaker 3: Luke, I mean, come on, you know, sorry, I forgot

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Speaker 3: get into it, shall we.

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Speaker 2: All right? Very good topic one here right away.

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Speaker 3: As I expertly slide to the right of the screen,

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Speaker 2: Here we go. BC.

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Speaker 3: UFC announced last week three events in seven days, a Saturday,

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Speaker 3: be the Zombie. Essentially, that is UFC two forty nine.

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Speaker 2: Now, let me.

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Speaker 3: Start with the most basic elemental question about all of this, BC,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ninety five percent, Luke. I really feel

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Speaker 1: only one currently of the fifty that's opening these doors.

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Speaker 1: But I believe it will be the start of many

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Speaker 1: right way, Luke, Yes, it's ambitious, three cards in seven

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Speaker 3: But I think for next week, Brian, my level of

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Speaker 3: I absolutely agree. This is not April eighteenth all over again.

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Speaker 3: This is not some rush. This is not self regulating

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Speaker 2: That's a brand new ballgame.

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Speaker 3: Plus they've had more time to refine some of their

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Speaker 1: and I think you're right on all that. Number one

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Speaker 1: There's a middle ground.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the state of California or Florida should

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Speaker 1: and a couple weeks ago I thought Danna Wright was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I think he's nine tenths of the way

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Speaker 1: troubling and what that it constitutes. Luke, I'm sure you

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Speaker 3: into this now. Dominant Cruise Dominant Cruz is gonna get

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Speaker 3: a title shot at UFC two forty nine. Danna White

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Speaker 3: has defended this, saying he's still one of the best

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Speaker 3: guys in the world. However, he hasn't fought in almost

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Speaker 3: four years and he is currently unranked. B See, I'm

436
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Speaker 3: in the giving mood. I would love for you to

437
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Speaker 3: go first on this one, because I know you got

438
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Speaker 3: ants in the pants about it. Is this the right

439
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Speaker 3: call by the UFC? Or is this just strange calls

440
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Speaker 3: in strange times.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's hard to answer that right now, look because

442
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Speaker 1: we're in such a strange time. So no, And we're also,

443
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Speaker 1: by the way, coming right off of where Jose Aldo

444
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Speaker 1: was picked for this spot, coming off of two defeats,

445
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Speaker 1: including to the current top contender in Marlon Marius, who's

446
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Speaker 1: you know up there in a crowded bottleneck division to

447
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: begin with. So we're already in a weird spot. Yet

448
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 1: it almost feels like Dominic Cruz somehow makes a little

449
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,239
Speaker 1: bit more sense than although even though it makes in

450
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Speaker 1: reality less sense and in the overall picture right now,

451
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Speaker 1: of course it makes no sense. Yet at the same time,

452
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Speaker 1: this is a fantastic story, one that's really getting hidden

453
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Speaker 1: within everything having to do with two forty nine and

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Speaker 1: COVID in tai Chi Palace. As as I would say,

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Speaker 1: and Luke would get upset about, but Dominic Cruz is

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Speaker 1: a obviously a legend. But here's the deal, Luke, He's

457
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Speaker 1: the most inspirational figure or person I've ever come across

458
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Speaker 1: in pro sports, interviewing, covering, being around. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think that necessarily, you know, is a free pass to

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Speaker 1: cut the line, which he's essentially doing right now, considering

461
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: we do have the Maris's, the Petrions, the al Jamain Sterlings,

462
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Speaker 1: who are certainly much more deserving at the moment, but

463
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: they're just trying to cut and paste fights together. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what Ferguson Gageye is at the moment. So under

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Speaker 1: that setting, this is a great fight, It's a great story,

466
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Speaker 1: a great opportunity. Yes, Cruz hasn't fought in two years. Yes,

467
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: that was a loss, but it wasn't a title fight

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Speaker 1: to Cody Garbrandt. And even though Cruz refuses to sort

469
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Speaker 1: of put weight on it, he was injured in that fight.

470
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Speaker 1: That wasn't him, so to speak. Obviously, he's gonna have

471
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Speaker 1: to prove four years later can he do that. But

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Speaker 1: if anyone can do it, it's him, Luke, He's done

473
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Speaker 1: it before. This is such a great story and a

474
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Speaker 1: great opportunity, and it really has nothing to do with

475
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Speaker 1: the fact that the cringe master you know, is the

476
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Speaker 1: champion right now Henry s Hudo and a lot of

477
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Speaker 1: us are just like, oh my god, that cringe is

478
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Speaker 1: killing me. This is just a very interesting matchup to

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Speaker 1: see if this great veteran champion can add a type

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Speaker 1: of almost Paul Bunyan esque layer to his resume. Luke,

481
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Speaker 1: I love it. I can't wait to see the fight.

482
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Speaker 1: Their styles matchups so interestingly well. And sometimes you just

483
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Speaker 1: have to put the journalistic pen down and just cheer

484
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Speaker 1: for someone from the standpoint of inspiration and encouragement and

485
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Speaker 1: just loving who they are and what they bring to

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Speaker 1: the game. And in a lot of ways that's dominant Cruz.

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Speaker 2: This one is weird for me because I'm all over

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Speaker 2: the place with it. BC. I mean, let's here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Let's just talk about brass tax, which is where is

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Speaker 3: this fight taking place?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Jacksonville, But I mean, what kind of card now?

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Speaker 3: Dana White told Kevin Ioli that those cards on that

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Speaker 3: subsequent Wednesday and that subsequent Saturday. He doesn't know if

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Speaker 3: they're airing on ESPN Plus or ESPN. He just didn't

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Speaker 3: know at the time. I guess we'll have to end

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Speaker 3: up seeing I suspect it'll probably be ESPN Linear because

497
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Speaker 3: they're desperate for content. But whatever, we'll cross that bedroom

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Speaker 3: we get there. But he's fighting Dominic Cruz and UFC

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Speaker 3: two forty nine. You're gonna sell this on pay per view.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say what it is. If you're going to

501
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Speaker 3: have a pay per view, you've already lost Kebebe. You

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Speaker 3: need something if you're gonna have another title fight that

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Speaker 3: has some kind of intrigue, and unless you're a hardcore

504
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Speaker 3: Peter jan versus Henry Shudo does not have that kind

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Speaker 3: of bigger picture intrigue. I talked to Corey Sandhagen. They

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Speaker 3: didn't even offer him to fight, and he beat Hot

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Speaker 3: fil Sanso, who of course beat al Jim and Sterling,

508
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Speaker 3: so you could talk about.

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Speaker 2: Sterling and Sanagan.

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Speaker 3: Neither of them got offered a title fight, right They

511
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Speaker 3: both got left, you know, hanging out to dry so

512
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Speaker 3: to speak.

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Speaker 2: They went straight to Cruz.

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Speaker 3: Cruz is unranked, as I mentioned, and has not fought

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Speaker 3: in three and a half nearly four years. But as

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Speaker 3: you indicated, he came back against Mzugaki after a long

517
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Speaker 3: layff and blew the doors some of them.

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Speaker 2: He came back against TJ.

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Speaker 3: Dillashaw and proved at least he was competitive at the

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Speaker 3: time with the top of that division. You have seen

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Speaker 3: this guy take massive amounts of time off and then

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Speaker 3: come back and be very, very competitive. So between that

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Speaker 3: and his name value recognition and his story about dealing

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Speaker 3: with injuries, and how he is known to fans for

525
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 3: being a commentator in a brilliant mind who could sort

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Speaker 3: of figured out his way through most problems, it becomes

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Speaker 3: a significantly better fight in terms of intrigue for the

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Speaker 3: kind of audience you're trying to appeal to. Remember, the

529
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Speaker 3: biggest audience in MMA is not the hardcore audience, it's

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Speaker 3: the casual audience. Dominic Cruz is the bridge to get

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Speaker 3: to them much more easily. So I think that's a

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Speaker 3: big reason why this fight is happening. In the end,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna beat Henry Sahudo, neither

534
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Speaker 3: do you, like, we have no clue. What I will

535
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Speaker 3: say is UFC is running a risk because if Peter

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Speaker 3: jan fought Henry Sahudo and got the doors blown off,

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Speaker 3: you would just say, well, Shudo is just that much better,

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Speaker 3: and we gave him the best guy he could fight,

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Speaker 3: and that's that. On the other hand, if Cruz goes

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Speaker 3: up in there and gets molly wopped, I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: he will, but let's just posit a scenario where he does,

542
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Speaker 3: UFC is gonna look like they made a craven craven

543
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Speaker 3: move to just move pay per view units when twenty

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Speaker 3: million Americans.

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Speaker 2: Were out of work.

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Speaker 3: On the other hand, if he goes in there and

547
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Speaker 3: at least makes a strong account of himself or Brian Campbell,

548
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Speaker 3: can you imagine if he wins the title, he'll be

549
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Speaker 3: completely vindicated. Even if there were more, let's say, cynical

550
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Speaker 3: reasons for why this fight should take place, they're betting

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Speaker 3: on themselves to win here, one way or the other.

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Speaker 1: And let's just be out and open with it. When

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Speaker 1: all though was announced for this, I ended up just going, look,

554
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Speaker 1: how could it be so wrong if it feels so right?

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Speaker 1: The fan and me loved it. But this is all

556
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Speaker 1: under the guise of this. Look, this is a middle

557
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Speaker 1: finger to their rankings, but this isn't the first time.

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Speaker 1: So well, that's not me saying that's the best way

559
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Speaker 1: to do your promotion. At the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: MMA is entertainment UFC is an entertainment business. Forty six

561
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Speaker 1: year old Dan Henderson got a title shot just a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago after elbowing Hector Lombard in the

563
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Speaker 1: face viciously a few times, Like, it doesn't always make sense.

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Speaker 1: They've done this before, they're gonna do this again. Under

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Speaker 1: these circumstances, though, I don't see how you can really

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Speaker 1: criticize normally, Yes, you can criticize Josie Aldo in that spot.

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Speaker 1: It was a little dicey, right. I like Josie Aldo.

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Speaker 1: I like the story potential there. But under these circumstances,

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna say? Look, what are you gonna say?

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Speaker 1: We're just lucky to get Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean again, beggars can't be choosers. That's a big

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Speaker 2: part of it.

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Speaker 3: I will say, though, I do feel for Sterling and

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Speaker 3: sand Haagen, who of themselves we're supposed to fight, and

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Speaker 3: I think that all got scuttled because of the California

576
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: Commission shutting things down in Maine. Maybe they'll get back

577
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 3: to it and the winner of that will then leap

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00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: frog into a position to take on the winner of this.

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Speaker 3: But again, you're in this We're in this time where

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00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 3: the UFC is gonna have to make decisions about where

581
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Speaker 3: fights take place and with whom that are just not

582
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Speaker 3: gonna be anything resembling normal, And I don't think that

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Speaker 3: we have a responsibility as fans or media to just

584
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Speaker 3: go along with it. On the other hand, because of

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00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 3: the unique nature of what Cruz has shown, you can't

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Speaker 3: immediately dismiss it. BC, you gotta say in look them there.

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Speaker 1: Outside of the fact that Cruz did lose his last

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Speaker 1: fight to Garbrand, although again it was a title fight,

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Speaker 1: is this is this remotely? I mean? Is this like

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Speaker 1: what am I trying to say? When GSP came back

591
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: and got the middleweight title shot, never fought in the

592
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Speaker 1: division before, hadn't fought next amount of years. I know

593
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Speaker 1: he's coming off of wins, but that was at Watsuwa.

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00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing. Stars get extra special

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Speaker 1: treatment normally. It is what it is. This is a

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00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: great story, all things considered. Love it, Embrace it. It's

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00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: gonna be great and the cringe era might be over

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00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: at bandam Weet. We're gonna find out Luke.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if Domina Cruz does that, he'll be a legend

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Speaker 3: in the sport forever. Are We move on to zero

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Speaker 3: point four now, Brian Campbell, this is some news that

602
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: you broke. I said, look at my man BC out here,

603
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: breaking news like a goddamn champ. Amanda Nuns, your champ.

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Speaker 3: Champ says she's not gonna fight at UFC two forty nine,

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Speaker 3: originally scheduled to take place against Felicia Spencer at what

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Speaker 3: was it featherweight? I believe right if memory serves yes,

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Speaker 3: I can't remember anymore. Yes, And she said, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do it. Need a full camp, don't

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Speaker 3: have one, even though she lives in Florida. Not going

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Speaker 3: to not going to take place here? All right, PC Again,

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Speaker 3: I'm in the given mood. I'd love for you to

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Speaker 3: take us one. Since you broke the story, she told

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Speaker 3: you her reasons in basic detail about why she didn't

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Speaker 3: want to do it. For those who didn't hear it,

615
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: what are those reasons? And then, more importantly, do you

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Speaker 3: understand her decision making process here.

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Speaker 1: She said, which is what you just said, that she's

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Speaker 1: a champion at this point with the uncertainties of coronavirus.

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Speaker 1: Even though she's been allowed in the att J gym each

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Speaker 1: day under one on one with a coach for a

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Speaker 1: couple hours to do some drills, she doesn't feel like

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Speaker 1: it's worth the risk in this craziness, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: to understand her personal situation. Engaged to Nina answer off

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Speaker 1: who is pregnant with their first child, that you can

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Speaker 1: understand that that's a different scenario. Add in coronavirus, add

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00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: in craziness. She just thought it would be better off

627
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: for me to push it off a little bit. She's

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Speaker 1: not talking about next year, she's talking about June most likely.

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Speaker 1: In this spot you saw a huge sort of reaction online.

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Speaker 1: I think rightfully so, people being like, yeah, take that stand.

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Speaker 1: I loved it. I love that she felt for her

632
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: sense it was better off to protect to do it

633
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: the right way, to not rush it back under these circumstances.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean, though, Luke, that it's wrong to be

635
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: a cowboy. Serony Anthony pettis type who you know that

636
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: fight much chiculated out of nowhere, and it's a great fight,

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Speaker 1: and it's in the preliminary main event of this loaded card.

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00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: And that's who those type of fighters are. They're sort

639
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: of always ready to go into battle for a payday

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00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: or just the opportunity. There can be two different kinds

641
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Speaker 1: of fighters, just like when Dana White goes on these

642
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: interviews and says a few times, there's no penalty if

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00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: you don't want to fight right now. Now. When we

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00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: hear that, we go, yeah, right. Company men and company

645
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Speaker 1: women always sort of get to the front of the line,

646
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: and they do, but they do in every business. So

647
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: I like that there can be two sides of the street.

648
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: And that's someone as powerful and famous. Oh and she's

649
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: also the greatest female fighter of all time. And the

650
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: man in newnas can take the stance and be like,

651
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: for me, it's better off that I take another month

652
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: and do it right. Yes, yes, yes, doesn't discount the

653
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: opportunistic people who don't need or want that. It's it's

654
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: how life should be. Look, I love it.

655
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: I'll say this.

656
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: You mentioned the fact that her fiance or I guess

657
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: or no, is it?

658
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: Are they married? What's their status? Marily I look that

659
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: up today.

660
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: I think it's still fiance, but life partner, whatever you

661
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: want to call it.

662
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: They're sure their partner, her partner is pregnant with their child,

663
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: and so having a degree of caution.

664
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: I can only imagine right shots to my daughter. She

665
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: turns one today. I have to take her this week

666
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: to go get her shots at a hospital. It's not

667
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: more than a mile from here, and I'm terrified of

668
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 3: what might happen at that hospital. So I can understand

669
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: having a strong degree of reservation about wanting to put

670
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: yourself through this in the middle of that kind of

671
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: an environment. Totally get it. I'll just say this, I

672
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: don't question her decision at all. It's just a reflection

673
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: of what leverage gets you, right and how different the

674
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: reactions have been inside MMA versus boxing. You know this, Brian,

675
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: there's like nobody clamoring for these top fighters to get

676
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: going again in boxing in the way that there has

677
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: been inside MMA. You even had who was it a

678
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: Bud Crawford this week. Now he gets paid as part

679
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: of his check from the Gate, and he's saying, listen,

680
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: there's no Gate, You're gonna have to pay me more.

681
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: I doubt promoteress are gonna want to be in that position.

682
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: So there's a real concern on the boxing side that

683
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: while MMA you might get some of the bigger fights,

684
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: were gonna lose some of them too, But in boxing

685
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: you might get a lot of mid tier guys who

686
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: are willing to compete, but not a lot of the

687
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: bigger ones because they're gonna be out financially and they

688
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: just don't feel like it's worth it to them.

689
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: Here's the point.

690
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: When you're like Amanda Nunez and you have built and

691
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: built and built and built during that path, you're gonna

692
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: take some risks. Some fights are gonna take when you

693
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: don't feel one hundred percent. And I know she had

694
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: that one fight with chef Chenko and she didn't take

695
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: at the last second, But in general, she has taken

696
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: and stepped on and over every tough challenge has been

697
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: in front of her, and I'm sure sometimes she didn't

698
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: feel great and sometimes she wasn't appreciated, and sometimes she

699
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: didn't get the bump, but she had to keep moving

700
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: forward till now She's knocked out Ronda Rousey, and she's

701
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: knocked out Holly Holme and Cyborg and everyone else in between.

702
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 3: And you know Raquel Pennington, and she beat durand to me,

703
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: she's beaten every one of her contemporaries. She has found

704
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: herself at the mountaintop. She is in a place now

705
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: where she can have a little bit of discretion about

706
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: what do I want to do if I'm going to

707
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: put all of this that I've built, at least parts

708
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: of it anyway at risk. And this was the conclusion

709
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: that she came to. This was the way in which

710
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: she had assessed this. Now, she's going to get paid

711
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: no matter what, because she's a champ. But if she

712
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: loses this, what happens to that one hundred and forty

713
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: five pound division? She would not get paid another time

714
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: for that. I don't believe it if it was in

715
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: that weight class. So there's also some financial considerations in

716
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: there for her if she couldn't get the full camp,

717
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: who could possibly honestly be against us? And the last

718
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: thing I'll say on this BC is dude, if she

719
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: hasn't earned the right to say hey, yay, maybe nay.

720
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: Honestly, who has well, and I hear what you say.

721
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: You know she has a leverage. That's why she can

722
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: pull this off. Well yeah, definitely. But in less more

723
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: people with leverage attempt to do this, then you're going

724
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: to have, you know, a deep inting on the idea

725
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: that fighters don't have any rights and they're just sort

726
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: of you know, always have to fight her or always

727
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: have to be rushed back in. So this creates, I think,

728
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: the right precedent where if you want to wait a

729
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: little bit, you can and look again, if she's waiting

730
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: until next year, that's another conversation. She said, let me

731
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: wait a month, Like, can we chill on that? If

732
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: anyone has any problems with that? I mean, this card

733
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: is already loaded enough. Two forty nine. Seriously, it's fantastic card.

734
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm guessing Felicia Spencer is not thrilled with it,

735
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: but you know she's the champ.

736
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: Champ. Sorry, and I'm gonna sure what to feel bad?

737
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 3: But sorry? All right, point five, let's get to it

738
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: now here. This one was really interesting to me. Be

739
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: see Robert Whitaker broke his silence. I think speaking to

740
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: the Daily Telegraph was the name. Obviously had a fight

741
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: at USC two forty eight. He pulled out of it.

742
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: He may still take on Darren Till in the future.

743
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: But there were rumors at the time that he had

744
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 3: pulled out because his kids had some kind of bone

745
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: marrow issue and needed a transplant. And he says I

746
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: was crazy rumors. He doesn't know where any of that's

747
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: coming from. And in fact, what really happened was he

748
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: was burned out. He was burned out. I want to

749
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: start with this one in asking the question about how

750
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: believable we assume this to be. Here's my response to

751
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: this BC. I would love to get your perspective, but

752
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: let me go first if I may, which is, I

753
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 3: completely believe that what he is saying. I have no

754
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 3: idea of what he is saying is true, but what

755
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: he is saying has all the hallmarks of it because

756
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 3: we've seen it over and over and over and over

757
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: again with other champs. I've asked Israel out of sign,

758
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: you know, the man who dethroned him, how do you

759
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: keep up this travel schedule, in this training schedule, in

760
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: this fight schedule, we are constantly in camp and you're

761
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: not burned out? How do you do it? We've seen

762
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: it with George Sampier once I interviewed him. This was

763
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: before the Hendrix fire, before he took that sabbatical, and

764
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: I'd never seen George so mean, so rude, which is

765
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 3: so unlike him. But I knew it wasn't a mean,

766
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: a rude guy. He was just completely wiped by the

767
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: whole process. So the things he is saying are true. Remember,

768
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 3: this guy had injury after injury, hard fight after hard fight,

769
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: time off, and then you get injured and you have

770
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 3: to come back and rebuild yourself, and you have a

771
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: tough fight, you got to heal, you have to come

772
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: back and rebuild yourself, and you had last minute cancelations

773
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: and the pride of a nation hangs in your hands.

774
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: And it's just a lot to weigh on for a

775
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: guy who's got three kids and he wants to be home.

776
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: That story he's telling is true, And I don't want

777
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: to give credence to the rumors. They were unsubstantiated. The

778
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 3: bigger outlets who usually can figure out what's what, they

779
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: never said anything about it. The only thing I want

780
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: to caution people against is a lot of times fighters

781
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: will say things to the media that are not true,

782
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: and they might do it to protect a loved one.

783
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: Is that happening here. I have no reason to think

784
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: that it is. I have no evidence. All I'm saying

785
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: BC is I'm not saying those rumors were true, or

786
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: that the story he's saying is false. But rather always

787
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: keep a little bit, just a little bit of their

788
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: comments about things like this, take them with a grain

789
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 3: of salt, because you never know the motivations they might

790
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: have for saying them. But I believe he probably was

791
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: burned out. And if that's the case, then he's got

792
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: that under control. He's still young enough if he hasn't

793
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: taken too much damage BC to make another run at

794
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: that middleweight title.

795
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I tend to believe him because I think there's

796
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: evidence in there. His body constantly giving out was a

797
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,959
Speaker 1: message that there was an overload. This grind was too much,

798
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: And I think if you really read the details of

799
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: that story, this epiphany came to him on Christmas afternoon

800
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: when he's running hills like a maniac to prepare for

801
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: a next fight. And you know, he explained how when

802
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: he transitioned from welterweight to middleweight and really went all

803
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: in on the sport. And his coaches said, look, if

804
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: you train at this level, if you get your mind writing,

805
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: you get to this level of warrior dumb and you

806
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: live this, you could be you know, limitless potential, you

807
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: could be champion. Well he lived that, he got that,

808
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: but there's a price to pay for that, Luke, when

809
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: you're around the clock, around the twelvemonth calendar like that

810
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: all the time, his body broke down. I wouldn't doubt

811
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: mentally he was breaking down, which George Saint Pierre was

812
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: very open and honest about when he did step away

813
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: from the sport that, like you mentioned, that pressure of

814
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: game planning and protecting and defending is is gotta be. Look,

815
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: I mean heavy as the crown. We know that. So

816
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: here's my point on this. I think the best thing

817
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: that could have happened to him was that recent defeat

818
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: and this opportunity to reset. Athletes need this. It's certainly

819
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: harder in the UFC when you can't just take a

820
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: year off. You know, there's pressure to defend. The interim

821
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: titles pop up, you can get stripped. But when you

822
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: look at somebody like Floyd Mayweather, who very strategically took

823
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: off key elements in his prime. I mean, do you

824
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: remember in two thousand and seven when he beats Oscar

825
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: de la Joya, knocks out Ricky Hatt and becomes a

826
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: mountaintop star, the biggest draw in the sport. Well, boxing,

827
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: you have more leverage. He was allowed to step away

828
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: from the sport and control his own narrative, and he

829
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: worked on things like WrestleMania and Dancing with the Stars

830
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: to build his brand. But those next few years, when

831
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: he was already in his early thirties, he's sort of

832
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: hand picking fights once a year and taking off the

833
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: time that he needs to heal his hands, to heal

834
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: emotionally and physically. You cannot do that again in the

835
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: UFC if you are champion and have a long rain,

836
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: Which is why I think we need to pause more

837
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: often and look at the kind of streaks that George Saint,

838
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: Pierre Anderson Silva and John Jones went on because they're ridiculous,

839
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: and Amanda Nunas is currently going on to mentally and

840
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: physically be able to retain all that. Everyone's body is different,

841
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: everyone's mind is different. I really respect Robert Whitaker for

842
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: coming clean about what happened, because when he pulled out

843
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: of that recent fight, it was obvious that something out

844
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: of the ordinary happened. And I don't think it's any

845
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: harm done. Should he take as much time as he

846
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: needs to reload, because luke time away from any grind,

847
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, especially our job when we're going one hundred

848
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: miles an hour juggling you know, projects and going nuts.

849
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: You got you gotta be able to reload, and that

850
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: isn't always given for an opportunity when you're.

851
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: On top, you know. It's interesting.

852
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: Tom Lawler told a story about overtraining as well, where

853
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: he had he didn't even realize how overtrained he was,

854
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: and then he went into the weight room for a

855
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: weight training session I think, picked up a barbell and

856
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: then in a way he can't explain, dropped the weight,

857
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: went back to his car, sat in his car, and

858
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: broke into tears because his body was, in his mind

859
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: was so fried by all of this and he wasn't

860
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 3: even aware of it. Until you get to a breaking point,

861
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: that's usually the problem. You either reach some kind of

862
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 3: physical breaking point which you had indicated, or a mental

863
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: one and they're both kind of bad, but at least

864
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: at this point he has an opportunity to reset. You know,

865
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: you think of these fighters as like they're so in

866
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 3: tune with the fight game and what they have to

867
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 3: do that they are able to figure everything out about

868
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: themselves and about the task at hand. And the reality

869
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: is what off of they're doing is just throwing the

870
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 3: book at the wall and seeing what's sticks. And until

871
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: they have understood that process of trial and error, like

872
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: I can do this and I can skip that, it

873
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: usually is run until the wheels fall off and then

874
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: they make a change. I wish there was some kind

875
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: of way to have an intervention before they get to

876
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 3: that point, but I guess we'll have to see if

877
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: training to how it gets better in the future. The

878
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: one challenge I would say to what you said, though, Brian,

879
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: is you had Floyd. I think you're right in the

880
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: sense that it was good for him to take time

881
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: off in the times that he did, But part of

882
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: that was one the leverage scenarios and how important he

883
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 3: was as a promotional feature for any television network or

884
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: his or any rival fire he was going up against. Right,

885
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: it's a big to do when he competes. But the

886
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: more important part is Floyd was ahead of the game.

887
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 3: He had time to take off because his peers were

888
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: not as good as him, and I know at the

889
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: end of his career he got a little bit selective

890
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: without the timing about when he would take certain fights

891
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: under what circumstance. Canelo a little early, Codo, a little late, Okay,

892
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: fair enough, But you can't really do that in modern mma,

893
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: not merely because the promotion won't let you, but because

894
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: if you do, chances are the game will just pass

895
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: you by. We'll find out that's the case with Dominic Cruz,

896
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: as we indicated with UFC two forty nine. But it

897
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 3: brings up something we've talked about a lot on this

898
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: show and really just privately, and then it's a discussion point.

899
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: In the industry.

900
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: People mocked Fator for having great wins and then cans,

901
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: and then great wins and then cans. Yeah, but the

902
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: reason why his streak was so long is because he

903
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: had those breaks in between. I'm not saying that the UFC

904
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: needs to completely change their mode of business, but what

905
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: I am saying is Robert Whitaker is not going to

906
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 3: be the last guy to be ground into dirt, and

907
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 3: if it's a way to avoid that by giving them

908
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: other potential matchups in the interim that don't drain them

909
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: in that kind of a way, I don't know why

910
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: that's the worst idea in the world.

911
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: And also what's a really bad idea is fighting Joel

912
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: Romero for ten rounds in the span of like thirteen months.

913
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: That'll break you down physically and mentally, and yeah, avoid

914
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: that at all costs.

915
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 3: Last time, before we go to the DMS with Donks,

916
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 3: do you like the idea of tune up fights in UFC?

917
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: Are you against them?

918
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean, at face value, do I like it?

919
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 2: No?

920
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: Because what has made UFC so successful that there's no

921
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: tune up fights unless you're at the Connor McGregor level,

922
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: which even then you know it's so rare. But yeah,

923
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. You can't keep I mean,

924
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: it's really luke absurd. What Silva, GSP and Jones have

925
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: done over that long length of time. I don't know

926
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: Anderson Silva fought a couple Patrick Cotes in between, but

927
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: you get my point. It's unsustainable for boxing or MMA

928
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: to take hard fight after hard fight, and that's why

929
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: so many of the greats from the eighties and boxing

930
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: that we love had very smaller windows career. You know,

931
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: careers at the very top. It's hard to do, but yeah,

932
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: a little bit, if you can lower it just a

933
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean Dominic Cruz for Henry Shuto right

934
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: now is sort of that perfect matchup, like we talked about,

935
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: where it hits the entertainment, it hits the storyline, but

936
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: it will be as much of a physical grind if

937
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: he got in there against peyoch Yon.

938
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: Probably not, Luke, and we haven't talked about it. Connor

939
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: McGregor had taking all that time off. A lot of

940
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 2: it might be related.

941
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: To indiscretions outside the cage or whatever other issues are

942
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: happening in his life. But if that keeps him fresh

943
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 3: and he's able to get back and compete, we'll see

944
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 3: how things go with travel may not be the worst

945
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: thing in the world either, you know.

946
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've taken a lot of time off this show,

947
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: and look at it. You're as happy as you've ever

948
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: been right now, Luke, I've not.

949
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: Taken him multiple times of time away from the show

950
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: you talking about.

951
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: Well, let Chuck Mendenhall come into our lives. So I didn't.

952
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: I didn't hate it, but it gave you the rest

953
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: You need to put a smile on you face.

954
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 3: You're welcome. How about that? All right, let's time now,

955
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: let's get to it. It's where your questions come into

956
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 3: the show. It's d MS from dogs. Let's here, let's

957
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: do the old there it is, you know, not being

958
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: able to hear any of the production elements puts me

959
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: on megatil.

960
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: Can I say that out loud?

961
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's go first here, Jesus, I can't

962
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 3: read shit.

963
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: This comes to us.

964
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: From front side. Nah, comply, what are these names? Do

965
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 3: you think that Gaechee will still only fight five or

966
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: six more times? He said that a few fights to go,

967
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 3: but hasn't really gotten hurt since fighting Alvarez.

968
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: Do you think you see?

969
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: I think his fighting style may only it may only allow, seriously,

970
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: in reality, five to six more times at an elite

971
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: level if he continues to fight like that. Yes, he's

972
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: made the really nice adjustments that we've talked about that

973
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 1: have made him a title contender, and finishing three straight

974
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: people in the first round is certainly a way to

975
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: not take on a lot of damage. But as his

976
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: as his skills. You know, the better you fight at competition,

977
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: and the more you put in there, it's gonna take

978
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: a lot out of you. At the end of the day.

979
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: The guy's a hard nose brawler. Five six more times

980
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: that could last him a few years. Yeah, maybe that,

981
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: maybe that's how it goes.

982
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: That's only two more years. I don't believe that. I

983
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 3: think he competes for US, say three or more, because

984
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: it's really good. Depend on what kind of fights he has. Now,

985
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 3: I'm expecting that Tony Ferguson fight win or lose, to

986
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: take a pound flesh from both of those guys. But

987
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: if he has three more fights after that, you know,

988
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm positing a scenario where I was like

989
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 3: the vic fight and the Barboza fight and the Serroeny

990
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: fight where they all three in the first round. He's

991
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 3: gonna have a lot more than six. So it really

992
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: is a function of how difficult the fights are. If

993
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: it's like the first three he had in the UFC,

994
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: yeah he might have only five or six more. If

995
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: it's like the last three, he could have potentially a

996
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: significant amount. We'll have to see, all right, this is

997
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: from MG Underscore MMA. How will UFC acquire a new

998
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 3: talent with regional shows likely not running events for the

999
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: foreseeable future. BC, They're gonna become their own regional promoter.

1000
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: They're gonna have Dana White's Tuesday, that Contender series. I mean,

1001
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 3: I'm not declaring news. I'm giving my opinion, but they're

1002
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 3: just gonna act as their own regional promoter if they

1003
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: have to.

1004
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they already sort of have in a

1005
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: lot of ways with that Contender Series, which really has

1006
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: produced nothing but viable contenders right from the launch of it.

1007
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: So I think they've eliminated that need to a someum degree.

1008
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: But in terms of the spirit of that question, I

1009
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: feel like, Luke, We're gonna have a full year of

1010
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: weirdness when it comes to how this virus affects combat sports.

1011
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: But I have to feel like it'd be business as

1012
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: usual after that. And I'm not saying that year of

1013
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: weirdness won't delay or change things, But I don't know.

1014
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: I feel really optimistic, Luke that that we're not through

1015
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: the hardest parts, but getting fights back is a major hurdle.

1016
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: Empty arena business isn't the best for consumers or probably

1017
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: four fighters, but that'll be the bridge that gets us there.

1018
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: I mean, if you had to guess right now, Luke,

1019
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: if somebody put put a Revolver deer hunter style and

1020
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: you put on a red headband, when do we have

1021
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: crowds again? And it's like this never happened A year.

1022
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: Like this never happened.

1023
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: No, okay, forget the last part. How about crowds again, Luke.

1024
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 3: So let's say, let me let me be positive scenario

1025
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: five hundred or less. Right, that's not a it's not

1026
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 3: a great crowd, but that's no.

1027
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: No, I'm talking. I'm talking full crowds, Luke. I'm talking

1028
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: not every other row. I'm talking full crowds. Next April, yeah,

1029
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: next January.

1030
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: Maybe, No, two three years, easy.

1031
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: Tutor, all right, Luke, hold on time out here, all right, Tudor.

1032
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 2: What you say twenty thousand people in an a venue?

1033
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, I am.

1034
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, two to three years.

1035
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that that the Corona quarantine's over

1036
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: by July first, believe me. I'm saying that we probably

1037
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: learned a lot of lessons from this that will apply

1038
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: to our lives. Luke, Like you know you and I

1039
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: we I think tip the tips out the window. I

1040
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: may never even shake your hand again. We may never

1041
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: even do a show in proximity of each other again, Luke,

1042
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,959
Speaker 1: But does that mean a full arena? Two to three years?

1043
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: Get the hell out of here. Look how aggressive Dana

1044
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: has been. I feel like we're going.

1045
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: Okay, here's a very here's a very simple way to

1046
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: assess this.

1047
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: What are you reading that tells you by not this July,

1048
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: but the following you're gonna have twenty thousand people together

1049
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: in a room. Because I gotta tell you, there is

1050
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: nothing that I am looking at that indicates that's possibility.

1051
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm saying, all right, let me give you

1052
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: a reasonable February twenty twenty one, twenty thousand people in

1053
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: the room.

1054
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: Yes, No, let's do this. Ready.

1055
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 3: They might come up with an anti viral treatment, okay,

1056
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: in which case that will be a game changer, and

1057
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: then we're all in better spot. What is the fastest

1058
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: a vaccine has ever been created?

1059
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: Do you know the answer to that?

1060
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: Rubella nineteen thirteen.

1061
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: No ebola, and it took five years. Five years.

1062
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 3: Now, the current level of medical investment is beyond even that.

1063
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: I mean, we're way.

1064
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: Past that in terms of this arms race, essentially by

1065
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: pharmaceutical companies and other interested parties to make a vaccine.

1066
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 3: So let's say we cut that in half two and

1067
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: a half years. Well, dude, it's twenty twenty two or

1068
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three.

1069
00:49:58,920 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 2: It's just math.

1070
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 3: And that's assuming that you can cut the fastest rate

1071
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: ever by fifty percent. So everyone's like, oh, take at

1072
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: least twelve months to eighteen months. That's assuming that the

1073
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: very first human trials all go perfectly. Well what if

1074
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: they don't, So twenty thousand people in a venue, Yeah, dude,

1075
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: your kids are going to be in high school by

1076
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 3: that point.

1077
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: Look, I haven't made many of life decisions based on

1078
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: statistics or you.

1079
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 2: Know, you're from a factory town. We know.

1080
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: But I'm giving you that window February to April twenty

1081
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: twenty one. Back in business, baby, I'm telling you. I

1082
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: just hear luke. Okay, here's what I will Here's.

1083
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: What I will say. Here's what I will say.

1084
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: Five hundred people, one thousand people, two thousand people. I'll

1085
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: keep an open mind about that. Twenty thousand not anytime soon.

1086
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 1: Can the business of the fight game, boxing, and MMA

1087
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: in general, from the top to the bottom get by

1088
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: on a limited to no gate for two years. I mean,

1089
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: maybe there's highest level of UFC because the television deal

1090
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: is reportedly what seven hundred and fifty million per year.

1091
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 3: But you know, well, here's the thing, here's the thing.

1092
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: This is why I'm worried about the regional business. There

1093
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: was a great article in MMA Junkie. I think Nolan

1094
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: King had written it. If I got that wrong, please

1095
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: forgive me. And he talked to a bunch of promoters

1096
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: who are regional promoters. Now, the good news is a

1097
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: lot of those guys who are regional promoters, that's not

1098
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 3: all that they do. Like I own a car dealership

1099
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 3: and also I promote MMA fights, so more or less,

1100
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 3: they it's an extra stream of income, but it's not

1101
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 3: what they build their lives on. So in that sense,

1102
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 3: they're resilient. In the other sense, though they make the

1103
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 3: majority of their money from a gate, they don't have

1104
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 3: television deals, and if they do, they're not.

1105
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: Worth very much.

1106
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: They air on the local Comcast sportsnet for whatever your

1107
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: small area of the country is. So without a gate,

1108
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 3: they can't make hardly any money. That I'm worried about.

1109
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 3: That what I'm really worried about. This is why you

1110
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: have seeing bellatore. You might see them be like, oh,

1111
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 3: we're gonna make all these fights, so you're thinking to yourself,

1112
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: how could you do that?

1113
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: Do?

1114
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: They might have to become in much way In ways

1115
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: they've never been regional promoters, because regional promoters can't make

1116
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: money if they don't have the ability to have a gate.

1117
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: That is the worrisome part.

1118
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: All right, well, look let me tell you like this.

1119
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: I watched the news this morning. Movie theaters are opening

1120
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: up like today in some states. And I'm not saying

1121
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: that's smart, nor would I advise anybody to go to

1122
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: the movies, let alone get in a public plane at

1123
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: this point right now, you know, April whatever. But by

1124
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: February twenty twenty one, Yeah, we're gonna have twenty thousand

1125
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: people in arena, Luke. They're probably gonna all be wearing masks,

1126
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: or they probably should be. And you'll probably see those,

1127
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, those really well dressed, good looking people in

1128
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: the front ten rows at UFC shows. They're probably gonna

1129
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: have diamond and crusted affliction masks and all that. And

1130
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: that's cool. But when Dana White has said a lot

1131
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: of things, right, we talked about that earlier. The worst

1132
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: of it was if I had a good run, I

1133
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: had a good run, if Corona's gonna get me, and

1134
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: then come and get me Corona. That stuff is just ridiculous,

1135
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: gung ho crap. But he has made some pretty strong

1136
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: points about the ingenuity of the American society and the

1137
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: adjustability and the we'll figure out a way to you know,

1138
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: to find a new Norman get through this. I can't see, Luke.

1139
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: You know March April twenty twenty one that we have

1140
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: five hundred people in the arena. No, it'll be back, Luke,

1141
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: You'll see. And then if you look back on the day, have.

1142
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 3: You not followed any of the stories from all these

1143
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: countries who did them?

1144
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: I have. You're an extremist in one direction. Dana's the

1145
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: you are these here, I'm the dong middle ground, Luke.

1146
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: No, dude, you're the extremist. You're the extremist.

1147
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: It is not me.

1148
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: All of these countries who did a phenomenally better job

1149
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: than ours at closing this down, have to some extent

1150
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 3: in some in many cases try to re open them

1151
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 3: and have sports, and in virtually every case it has backfired,

1152
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: and they've had to stop, and they've had new outbreaks,

1153
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 3: and we're going to have another wave of this probably

1154
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 3: in all likelihood, it's what they're telling us anyway, in

1155
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 3: the fall, and it's going to be a much worse

1156
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 3: one because that will actually coincide than with the seasonal flu,

1157
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: and that will be a motherfucker of epic proportions. Dude,

1158
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 3: There is not any expert that I can see, not

1159
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 3: one saying there's going to be arenas open with twenty

1160
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: thousand people and then by February. That is just wishful thinking,

1161
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 3: not in keeping with I understand. You want to have

1162
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: optimism and you want to believe you can do better,

1163
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: and optimism is the kind of way that gets you

1164
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: to a solution oriented place. I believe that. I'm certain

1165
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 3: of that. At the same time, you can't figure out real,

1166
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: actual solutions until you come to grasp what the challenges

1167
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: are and until there is a vaccine or some kind

1168
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 3: of anti viral treatment. Dude, it is going to be

1169
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 3: a long time. Okay, maybe twenty thousand people.

1170
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: Again, what about stadiums, because look, I've seen the news.

1171
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: There's a thousands of people on the beach in California

1172
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: right now, without masks. I'm not saying that's safe, but

1173
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: what if we took those thousands of people with masks

1174
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: and put them in an outdoor stadium and had big fights.

1175
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: That's probably possible by next spring.

1176
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 3: They can trace the outbreak of COVID nineteen in Italy

1177
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: to one particular match between Valencia and Atalanta. Now that

1178
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 3: was before everybody knew everything. But the point being is

1179
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 3: they called it. What do they called it? They called

1180
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 3: it a COVID nineteen nuclear bomb. Because of how much

1181
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 3: it's spread from that one game. I went back and

1182
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 3: I looked this up. In the nineteen eighteen Spanish flu pandemic.

1183
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 3: You can trace upticks in the you know, they they

1184
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 3: would have an outbreak and it would go down, and

1185
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 3: then they would relax restrictions and they would have public gatherings.

1186
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 3: You can trace to those public gatherings a respike in condition.

1187
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 3: So what's about to happen?

1188
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. I do think there is a case

1189
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: state by state, because not.

1190
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 3: Everybody is New York, for example, were some restrictions and

1191
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 3: some easings and a carefully constructed waking get us there.

1192
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: But I keep telling people this, dude, what are all

1193
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: the experts, not me.

1194
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: What are all the.

1195
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 3: Experts saying we need to have to open up again?

1196
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 3: We need to have or three times per day, as

1197
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 3: many tests as we have now, and an army of

1198
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 3: contact tracers to get there. We have neither of those things.

1199
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 3: So where is this confidence coming from? Just because you

1200
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 3: want to be happy, Well, everybody wants to be happy.

1201
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 3: I'd rather understand what I'm up against.

1202
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: All right, that's the case you're gonna get. You're just

1203
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: giving me a lot of murder, is the case you're

1204
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: gonna give me. And I'm gonna give you a middle ground, Luke.

1205
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: And that middle ground begins between February and April of

1206
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: next year. I'll see you at the fights, Luke.

1207
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: All right, very good. This comes to us from k

1208
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: STU BP one.

1209
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 3: What non combat sports do you find best increase fight IQ?

1210
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 3: For example, bouldering, rock climbing, parkour, gymnastics, soccer, diving, et cetera.

1211
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: I think you see best increase fight IQ.

1212
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a weird one. Huh.

1213
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't. I don't. I don't know if I'm

1214
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: smart enough for that, Luke. I don't. I don't. You know,

1215
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: I didn't go to the college of William and Mary.

1216
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: All Right, I was a janitor at stopping shop during

1217
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: those years.

1218
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: All Right.

1219
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 3: Maybe, Hey, dude, I'm not toy. I've burned feces for

1220
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 3: the United States military. Whatever jobs you've had, they've not

1221
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 3: been as bad as mine.

1222
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: Could park or increase your jiujutsu strategy, I don't know, Luke.

1223
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: Gymnastics could right, body awareness?

1224
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: All right, that's fair, that's fair. I'll give you that. Okay,

1225
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: we're figuring this out. Could soccer, Yeah, I guess there's

1226
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: footwork elements. Dominic Cruz has a very soccer like fighting style, right,

1227
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: I guess how about dancing, Luke. I know you met

1228
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: your wife at a shooting gallery, but how about dancing, Luke?

1229
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: That could probably help.

1230
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I've known I knew a guy who was

1231
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 3: a black belt who had a school, and he also

1232
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: was a competitive salsa.

1233
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 2: Dancer or connection.

1234
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, I don't know.

1235
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: I don't think. I think all the other ones they

1236
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: can help. Not so much with fight IQ, which is

1237
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: like decision making ability in the middle of a fight.

1238
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: I don't know that any of those help you. I mean,

1239
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: baby bouldering does because you have to make you know way.

1240
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 3: But if that's slow decision making too. So I don't

1241
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: know about those. I mean, maybe there's an answer there,

1242
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: maybe there's not. But the other ones, like gymnastics, dancing,

1243
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 3: I don't know any sport that requires you to develop

1244
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 3: certain sensitivities to how your body moves and waight is

1245
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 3: distributed and balance and footwork that could have a carryover benefit.

1246
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: But fight IQBC, I don't know.

1247
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: You know what sportal f your body up? You ever

1248
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: play racketball? Luke?

1249
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I do. I played racketball competitively for a while.

1250
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that thing. Good lord, there's muscles you didn't

1251
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: even know you had that are pulsating after that, Luke.

1252
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ever played squash?

1253
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: No, that's rich racketball. I don't you know. I don't.

1254
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1255
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 3: Okay, I've only played on a single I had a

1256
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 3: single mom growing up. I don't want to hear it. Okay,

1257
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 3: but I played squash a couple of times with friends.

1258
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 3: Racquetball is fun because the ball. Did you play with

1259
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 3: the blue ball or the green ball?

1260
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: Uh? Well, I played had a long run with blue balls. Look,

1261
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: but I'm not really sure.

1262
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: I knew that was coming, you fuck, I knew it

1263
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: I knew it. Did you ever play with the green ball?

1264
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't remember the collar, Looke, I don't

1265
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: see collar, right, you know?

1266
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, you love.

1267
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if he's black or white, Luke, all right,

1268
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: come on.

1269
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: The green ball is thicker and heavier, so it doesn't

1270
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 3: travel with the same kind of velocity. Typically it slows

1271
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: the game down, and it's a little bit different.

1272
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: In squash.

1273
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 3: The ball is like the size not even of my

1274
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 3: my Samsung case for my earbuds, and you have to

1275
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 3: smash it to get any kind of bounce. It's actually

1276
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 3: the court is narrower. It's a different game. Obviously, it's

1277
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 3: actually really really hard to play. Racquetball I found obviously

1278
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 3: very hard to play, but a little bit a little

1279
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 3: bit more fun.

1280
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: Squash is just intense, too intense for me.

1281
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I'd like to play you in racketball, Luke.

1282
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't played in years, but I was good

1283
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: when I was sixteen one tournaments in the whole nine

1284
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 3: yards here we go.

1285
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: I could see you into only solo sports. Knowing your personality,

1286
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: this isn't a solo show. You don't really like to

1287
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: rely on others. You're you're very abrasive towards Joe, my

1288
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: ex boy bandfriend.

1289
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: Listen, and what are you complimentary? Yeah?

1290
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: I'm a big No Escape fan, you know.

1291
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: All right?

1292
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: Chaw Underscore, Underscore, Vita better rivalry Wiley Coyote and the

1293
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 3: road Runner or Tom and Jerry BC.

1294
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: What do you think?

1295
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: How about Itchy and Scratchy on that one? Yeah? The

1296
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: Coyote and Roadrunner are timeless. They're the Cowboys and the

1297
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: Indians of rivalries, Luke, Yeah, they're fantastic. All right.

1298
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 2: Let me ask you about this though, about Wiley Coyote

1299
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: and the road Runner.

1300
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: Really going here? Okay?

1301
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1302
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1303
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 3: Well hold on, is it really a rivalry like do?

1304
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 3: Let me ask you do Lions and gazelles have a

1305
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 3: rivalry that seems like one way traffic to me.

1306
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Globe trotters and the generals? I hear you, Luke,

1307
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: I hear you.

1308
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?

1309
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, who rights this ship? Right? Let me come on?

1310
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, who picked these questions? Was a gaff?

1311
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: Fire gaff? Immediately what all that ship?

1312
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: You see? Each week? Gaff gets his hands dirty and

1313
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: and and sets it.

1314
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: Up for me?

1315
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: All right?

1316
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 3: All right, Gafs rehired. Let's go to this last one.

1317
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 3: Billy Big Wheels with a Z in light of Trump,

1318
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 3: suggested the possibility of injecting disinfected into your body to

1319
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 3: kill the RONA.

1320
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 2: What is the biggest on air slip you've ever had? OHBC,

1321
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 2: you gotta go first.

1322
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: I have, thankfully, thankfully, I have not had a may

1323
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: you're on air slip of any kind of I think

1324
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: one time, recording a podcast I had you know you,

1325
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: I've had moments like that where you're not live or

1326
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: anything and you're just sort of like, you know, a

1327
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: word combines with another word and suddenly you said something bad.

1328
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: But let me tell you this slip I had one time.

1329
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: All right, you know Twitter, Look, it makes the world smaller.

1330
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: I didn't grew up like knowing boxing fans. When boxing

1331
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: twitter got created on Twitter, it was like, Oh my god,

1332
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: all these crazy weirdos, they're my people, right, all these

1333
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: people that read my work. I can DM them, we

1334
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: could talk box. There was a guy on Twitter whose

1335
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: name was like at Triple G Lomachenko or something like that,

1336
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 1: and regularly would would type at me all the time,

1337
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: and he would post pictures of himself and he was

1338
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: one of those corporate dudes who would do boxing matches

1339
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: and he was kind of ripped in like even though

1340
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: he was forty. And one time late at night, I

1341
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: was about to go to sleep and he posted a

1342
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: picture of himself and some corporate thing. So I added

1343
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 1: him and wrote, we were having this conversation earlier today

1344
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: that you're definitely on the juice that you've been for

1345
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: a long time. Only I didn't at Chiple Triple G Lomachenko.

1346
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: I added Ganadi Galovekin and the the Middleway Champion, remember

1347
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: that guy, Luke, And I tweeted at Karatti Glovekin. I

1348
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: actually tweeted at Ganati Glovekin we had a conversation today

1349
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: that you're definitely on the juice. And then put my

1350
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: phone down and went upstairs to go to sleep, and

1351
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: something stopped me on the way up the stairs, like, wait,

1352
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: was that did that go through? Did that actually happen?

1353
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: And it wasn't that random boxing fan who I was

1354
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,439
Speaker 1: heckling his picture. It was at Ghanati Glofkin. I could

1355
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: not have deleted that thing fast enough and then thought

1356
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna en up on dead Spin.

1357
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 3: Luke, I'm not anything like that. But I've had boogers

1358
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 3: fall out of my nose on air. I've absolutely farted

1359
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 3: on air, probably had two three dozen times.

1360
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 2: What else have I done?

1361
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: That's gross?

1362
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 3: That's pretty grossy, that's gross. It's gross. I have peptobismo

1363
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 3: for today's show, so I'm good here. But yeah, probably

1364
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 3: that probably just like the SBDS, I just leak out

1365
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 3: on set. I did a bunch of those when you

1366
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 3: and I were on mm A beat together.

1367
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, that that's disgusting. I once went on

1368
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: a date with the girl, Luke. I should have brought

1369
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: this up during the Worst Date segment last week. She

1370
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: had told me of this story on the first date

1371
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: that in college somebody threw a cat an empty keg

1372
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 1: after a rager and it hit her in the head

1373
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: and knocked her out and she lost her sense of

1374
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: smell from it.

1375
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 2: She had that corona.

1376
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: I later tested that out in the car. She was right.

1377
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: She was right, Luke.

1378
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: You know so wait, did you take her out to eat?

1379
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes, But.

1380
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 3: If you can't smell anything, doesn't that affect your ability

1381
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 3: to taste as well?

1382
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: I didn't go that far in the conversation, Luka, right,

1383
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't in it for that.

1384
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: Okay, has some real winners there you pick up. Huh yeah,

1385
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 2: that's very good. Yeah, you're like Carol Baskins, you know,

1386
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: the husband she allegedly murdered, just putting a handgun in

1387
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: the car and telling people to get in. Yeah.

1388
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: So, uh yeah, all right, this is already.

1389
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

1390
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure.

1391
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 3: I'm sure she's the weird one. I'm sure it's not him. No, no,

1392
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 3: all right, then I think that's it, right, I think

1393
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 3: that's it for the questions.

1394
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, they're gonna do a show without you rushing

1395
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: me through it so you can get to your next job.

1396
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: This is a great pace, Luke.

1397
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I got bills to pay my friend. I

1398
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 3: don't know about you, but I certainly do. With that

1399
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 3: in mind, take it away, be see your chance to

1400
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 3: steer the show.

1401
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, you know what we do each week, We

1402
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: scolar the globe for the good, the bad, the ugly,

1403
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: the in between. It's have you seen this shit? Luke?

1404
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: And I've got some great ish this week's that don't

1405
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: involve dongs, that don't involve weird stuff, that just involve fights. Luke,

1406
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: I got a trio of insane MMA finishes to kick

1407
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: us off you ready? Have you ever heard of a

1408
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: fellow named Samuel il Nikki? Neither of I, Luke. But

1409
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: check out this amateur KO on Golden Ticket Promotions. God, Lord, Luke,

1410
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: tell me a better head kick KO than this. And

1411
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: watch the tooth come out out? Oh dude, wa wait

1412
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: what was coming out here? It just bend's over at

1413
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: the waist.

1414
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 2: Look at them?

1415
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean that's about as good as I know.

1416
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: This is amateur regional MMA, so anything can happen, Like

1417
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: a fan man could drop in, the floor could open

1418
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: up and they could fall into a sinkhole. But look

1419
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: at this.

1420
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 3: Oh god, dude, that is reach Our tell people all

1421
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 3: the time, I don't know what's gonna happen with it now,

1422
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 3: So it's a little bit.

1423
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: I guess it doesn't matter anymore.

1424
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 3: But dude, twenty bucks for a regional MMA card, that

1425
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: might be the best money you can spend in MML.

1426
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,919
Speaker 1: Dude, did you go to wall seriousness? You ever cover

1427
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,959
Speaker 1: a Bellator card and they have the post limbs after

1428
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: the main event, Dude, they're just dragging bodies in and

1429
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: dragging them out. Those are some missmatch ish You want

1430
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: to see dead bodies. Go check that out. But this guy,

1431
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: oh man, Luke, I thought we weren't a lot of

1432
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: to show death on the show. All right, let's roll

1433
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: off them. This might be the this might be the

1434
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: greatest submission I've ever seen since Demetrius Johnson in uh

1435
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: in that that other guy what was that guy's name?

1436
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 2: Ray?

1437
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 4: Oh?

1438
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: The old flying arm bar?

1439
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1440
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 2: Who did my man? He maintains it and he crossed

1441
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 2: his feet.

1442
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: Wow, look that's right.

1443
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: I think I've seen this before.

1444
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: That's fan freakantastic, Luke.

1445
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good body control.

1446
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

1447
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 3: And then to go back to your back like that

1448
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 3: is better. And the guy fell out of the ring too,

1449
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 3: that's amaz Borg.

1450
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: That's why I was thinking of ray Borg. Thanks for

1451
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: helping me out with that, Luke.

1452
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,959
Speaker 2: All right, I was not listening to you. Sorry.

1453
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: All right, well, Luke, here is actually, I think the

1454
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: greatest knockout I've ever seen. It's from twenty thirteen. Somebody

1455
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: sent it to me. This is Colin Ruder against Gerald Fike.

1456
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: Watch this, oh.

1457
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 2: Bull, London Bridge is falling down.

1458
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: I didn't think a body could react like that. Oh

1459
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: my god, did he break his neck too?

1460
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 2: Dide? He looks like he got hit by a car.

1461
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: Oh, Luke, Siri, no, like, in all seriousness, that's the

1462
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: greatest knockout've ever seen. Toddy uppercut Colin Ruder with over

1463
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: Terry Adam. This guy's been sent to yo, Luke. Wow,

1464
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: all right, all right, let's wrong on. Let's go to

1465
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: the pool, Luke. Let's see a little let's see some

1466
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: water slide action. You're ready for this, Luke. You ever

1467
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: wait at the bottom for your kids to come down?

1468
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 2: O nice duck right there, But she's gonna get hit

1469
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 2: my big old fat boom.

1470
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, that's damage, Luke, that is damage right there.

1471
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: This was like my mentions three weeks ago.

1472
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 1: Yes, dear duck in flying knees. But look look at

1473
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: the head of Paul. That's a ko. That's a ko. Indeed,

1474
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: get the deep sea divers out.

1475
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm really sad you don't have anything today from

1476
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 3: CT Society.

1477
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: Well we'll see. We could could be. Remember I gave

1478
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: you that barbershop clip last week where you can go

1479
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: get the the fire haircut. Luke, check out this. Would

1480
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: you be done for this? I mean it's primitive, but

1481
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: it works.

1482
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 2: Dude? Is he like? Is that what I think it is.

1483
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a hammer and chisel. This is very uh

1484
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: uh cccp.

1485
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 2: I like this, dude, where do you find this shit?

1486
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: Have you seen this, Luke? That's got a hurt though?

1487
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: I don't know is that is that hair?

1488
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 2: It looks like a Spanish moss. They're just getting off. Yeah.

1489
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's racist showing this, but this

1490
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: is interesting.

1491
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: All right.

1492
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: Uh, let's roll on here, Luke. Have you ever been

1493
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: to a wedding and there's a pool involved and then

1494
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: somebody's got to make a splash and steal the day,

1495
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: take the attention away from the bride. It's always probably

1496
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 1: some old hag. Grandma had a couple too many uh

1497
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: gen and tonics. Well grandma, no grab hold on?

1498
01:09:53,000 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 4: Oh does she not understand that she's not Jesus. Yeah, yeah,

1499
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 4: Jesus can walk on water. I am well Jesus.

1500
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: No idea, Luke, no idea? Oh God, that's gotta be embarrassing. Wow,

1501
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: all right, hey, you know what's I was at?

1502
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 2: I was at a wedding where Grandma started to dance

1503
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 2: and I think she had a heart attack. That was terrible.

1504
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: Ouch. You know, they put blindfolds on kids at parties

1505
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: and give him a bat and let them h hit

1506
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: a pinata. Luke, it doesn't always go well. Let's check

1507
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: out this Christmas party.

1508
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 2: Oh god, that kid gotta.

1509
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: Riding the pills. Look, that's fantastic.

1510
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well all right, that was like this was

1511
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 2: like my mom when I came home with a report

1512
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: card that didn't have a's on it.

1513
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, exactly, you disgraced Old Marietta, Luke. Now you

1514
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: must pay cutter style. Yes, yeah, all right, all right,

1515
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: let's go to part two on this. Uh, this kid's

1516
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: got a death with. Everyone at this party's got a

1517
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: death with check out this kid in the orange shirt, Luke.

1518
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 2: That they gave this kid, Dude, they gave this kid

1519
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 2: a legitimate weapon from Kunk. They give him like Ninja turtle. Shit,

1520
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 2: why don't you just hate him some nunchucks while you're

1521
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: at it?

1522
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 1: Is that girl in a wooden wheelchair? Luke? What is this?

1523
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 2: Dude? Where the fuck do you find this ship?

1524
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 5: Honestly, all right, let's go to the new hero of

1525
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 5: this segment that hold On, hold On lit fails is

1526
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 5: the name.

1527
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,879
Speaker 1: Here's your buddy, Luke, here's the MVP of this segment.

1528
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: Check out his latest trick. There's a there's a drone

1529
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: and a balloon, and that's a hot cup of coffee

1530
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: on his crotch. Luke, can he pull this off?

1531
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 2: It's not like he's got much to lose. Well done, Luke.

1532
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: How many takes? Bro? How many takes?

1533
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 2: I hate you?

1534
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to our celebration's gone wrong and

1535
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: MMA as we wait for the decision. Here, Luke, let's

1536
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: see if this fighter. Check out this guy? You did

1537
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 1: not win? Oh? Wow, wow, Luke. Oh he's you didn't

1538
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 1: get the decision. He's so mad he could slap a bee.

1539
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: Oh he did, he just did, Luke. Wow. Yeah, that's

1540
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: a wrong place, wrong time. Yeah. This guy Billy Joe

1541
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: Saunders over here? Wow? All right, Luke, let's roll on

1542
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: to coffee. A lot of people forced to make their

1543
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: own coffee at home, trying different things. Luke, I've got

1544
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: an additive here. If you're out of cream, would you

1545
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: try out Tesco's nut milk? I hate you, Okay, I

1546
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: guess not rolling on, Luke. I have to give credit though,

1547
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: do you ever go to and get and get like

1548
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: a high priced coffee? In these baristas? They can do

1549
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: magic with this, Luke. One time they did a flower

1550
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: for me. An other time they did, I don't know,

1551
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: look like a bird of some kind. Check out this,

1552
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: this fantastic artist at work here looks like a heart

1553
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 1: maybe an arrow maybe?

1554
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 2: Uh oh, and it has jiz too, you sick fuck.

1555
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 1: Look, you gotta represent art when you see it. You

1556
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: got I mean, what is art? Are we are? Is art?

1557
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 2: Art?

1558
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,799
Speaker 1: That's fantastic right there? Like Wow, okay, dude.

1559
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 3: And you have the nerve to be like, I can't

1560
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 3: believe people think I'm the dick guy. You're the dick guy.

1561
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 2: In a way.

1562
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 3: You're more the dick guy than the guy who wanted

1563
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 3: to blow people to get water at the fire festival.

1564
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: First of all, don't don't ever dispair Dandy Kings's name

1565
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: on the show, because we have a staff full of

1566
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: Andy Kings. As you found out, hey, Luke, check out this.

1567
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,600
Speaker 1: Over the weekend, there's there were actually some fights. There

1568
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: was boxing and Nicaragua. There was mma somewhere deep in Asia.

1569
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: Check out the COVID policy. Hold, are we gonna see

1570
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 1: this at UFC two forty nine. We'll just spray down

1571
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: Tony Ferguson before the fight.

1572
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 2: I don't think fumigating fighters is a way to do

1573
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 2: this that you could.

1574
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 4: Just be me.

1575
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean Trump did say, just drink a little bit

1576
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 1: of that that uh, that life style. You'll be all

1577
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: right right.

1578
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah about that?

1579
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Hey, Luke, let's close with this. I

1580
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: had oh check out this. A lot of a lot

1581
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: of people doing these tandem video See husbands and wives

1582
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: are like flipping each other over. But you gotta be careful.

1583
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: Check out these two ladies, Luke bah.

1584
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 6: Rest in peace Tombstone pile driver, Luke boom Bro, you

1585
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 6: gotta flex your car, fat lady, you gotta flex that

1586
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 6: care Speaking.

1587
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: Of pro wrestling, Luke, let's close with this. I had

1588
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: no idea until this quarantine that there's a thing called

1589
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: pancake art. Are you aware of this?

1590
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:48,879
Speaker 2: Again? Another hit from litt fails?

1591
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: Okay, check out this is check out this pancake artist, Luke.

1592
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: This is incredible. Can you taste what what this guy

1593
01:14:56,240 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: is cooking right now? That Fast and the Furious star

1594
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 1: Dwayne the Rock Johnson. Look at that brilliance, Luke. You

1595
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: can go down a long rabbit hole on Instagram looking

1596
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: up pancake art. Do you respect this I mean, I know,

1597
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: like once you, once you eat it, all that work

1598
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: has been you know, worthless. But check out the flip

1599
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: on this. No you're not You're not on that.

1600
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 2: I mean, no, don't. The pancake just needs to taste good.

1601
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 2: I don't need portraits of Jesus in them.

1602
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: All right, Well, there's different kinds of pancake art. Let's

1603
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 1: go to the next one. Check out this kid. This

1604
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: is the type of.

1605
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 2: I would do.

1606
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: Luke. I respect this kid a lot. Shout out to

1607
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: this guy right here. That's the kind of stuff that

1608
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: I do when I'm small. But that's that's crazy stuff.

1609
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 1: Let's go to more traditional pancake art. Check out what

1610
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: we got going on here.

1611
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 2: Is this gonna be some ladies flat ass or something? No, no, no,

1612
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 2: no no, this is just so you gotta flip it.

1613
01:15:53,439 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 2: And all right, hey, dude, you have you seriously, I

1614
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 2: don't know who you are.

1615
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 7: You will text me how upset you are and how

1616
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 7: unbelievably weird your dms have gotten and they have every

1617
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 7: Monday comes around him like is does this the Monday

1618
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 7: where he like you know, figures it out and then

1619
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 7: you just lean right back into it.

1620
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 2: Where I have no.

1621
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: Look, look, there's no fights, there's not a lot of content, right,

1622
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're getting the shaft often,

1623
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: so why not just go with that?

1624
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: Right, he's got a tripod going on.

1625
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: Well, that's that guy. That's that that that adult film

1626
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: actor that's all over the memes lately. He passed away,

1627
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: but he left a very big impact on the world.

1628
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 2: Luke, I see that he did.

1629
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: Hey, I had, By the way, I had Aaron Pico

1630
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: on my podcast the other day. I asked him about

1631
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: that horse you know that? You know that? You know

1632
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: the guy I'm talking about?

1633
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you say?

1634
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, he puts us all the shame. But

1635
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: uh but uh, he's he's been doing it, Luke. He's

1636
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: been taking care of horses, mucking the stalls, riding them, dancing.

1637
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 1: That's how he's been getting through this time. All right, Shot,

1638
01:16:58,360 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: how are you like?

1639
01:16:59,160 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 4: Yo?

1640
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna try to come back in belt

1641
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: Or and fulfill the promise of being the most tottered

1642
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 2: prospect of end of my history. Yo? How big is

1643
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 2: your horse's cock? Is that what you asked them?

1644
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: I was like, look, if he's got a big d

1645
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: let me search you right, you know, wow, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1646
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: all right. Hey, look I think it's time for your

1647
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 1: other job, right, I mean, come on, not exactly just yet.

1648
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 2: With that in mind, it's time for odds and NSBC.

1649
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 2: What do you got for odds? And you want to.

1650
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: Quickly shout out this, Luke. You ever hear of Contender's Clothing.

1651
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: They're doing something right right now. They make all that

1652
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: like old Rocky paraphernalia and Karate Kid. They're donating ten

1653
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,560
Speaker 1: percent of their profits to a fund that pays for

1654
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: fighters bills. Not Terrence Crawford, but like you know, undercard

1655
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: guys walk out bouts, those guys obviously not getting paid. Now,

1656
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: if you order this T shirt, Luke, you can see

1657
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 1: going the social distance. One hundred percent of the profits

1658
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: go to the fighters. They're looking just really to like

1659
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: pay somebody's cable bill for the month, or their heat

1660
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: or their whatever. I respect that. Shout out to Contender's Clothing,

1661
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: Odds and ends this week, Luke, What the hell was

1662
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: I gonna talk about? You? Remember? Oh? Yeah, Sergio Martinez,

1663
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: Sexy Sergio the Argentinian King, the former middleweight champion of

1664
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: the world, hasn't fought Luke, you might remember since that

1665
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen stoppage lost to Miguel Coto, when his leg

1666
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: fell apart, his career fell apart. Well, there's been rumors

1667
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: of him coming back for a while. He finally did

1668
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,480
Speaker 1: an in an interview with an American outlet. Kerin Batias

1669
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: asked the Experts podcast, they had a translator Sergio's forty

1670
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: five Luke, and he not only wants to come back,

1671
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: he wants to rematch Julio, saysar Chavez Junior, and he

1672
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: went as far as saying that their adversaries, but they

1673
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: could be business partners in this where he thinks if

1674
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 1: he can get Junior, who's had plenty of trouble outside

1675
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: the ring, to commit to no drinking or drugs during

1676
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: the entire training camp, this might be a turning point

1677
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 1: in Junior's life and would get him both back in

1678
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: the ring at the highest level. Luke, he came to

1679
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: the sport late at like nineteen or twenty. He held

1680
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: up very deep into his thirties. He he relies on

1681
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: quickness and athleticism. Would you buy in on a Sergio

1682
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: Martinez comeback at forty five? He had one of the

1683
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: he had a spectacular career for how short it was.

1684
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 3: No, because at the end there he couldn't take a

1685
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 3: bunch of a punch anymore, right, I mean it wasn't

1686
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 3: chinny at per se.

1687
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: But no, he wasn't hit.

1688
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 5: I mean he got dropped in every big fight, but

1689
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 5: he wasn't chinny. His need th part, his nethel part.

1690
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 5: He was physically frailed. Without just about to say, I

1691
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 5: don't think he was the same. So do I believe

1692
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 5: in his forties he's got some kind of a comeback

1693
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 5: in him that is reasonable and worth thinking.

1694
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 2: Seriously, No, I do not.

1695
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: I love that man, though, okay, look I love him.

1696
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 2: Oh he was great. He was great. He was when

1697
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 2: he was a round he was awesome.

1698
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 3: But you know, no, all right, for my odds and ends, Campbell,

1699
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 3: did you watch episodes three and four.

1700
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 2: Of The Last Dance? Did you see it?

1701
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: I did, Luke, and it's freaking fantastic. Like seriously, I

1702
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: didn't put out fifty tweets like everybody else, but it's

1703
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: freaking fantastic. It's it's the best one that ever happened

1704
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: to our quarantine.

1705
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 3: I want to talk about episodes three and four where

1706
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 3: they talk about the pistons first of all, lifting weights

1707
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 3: in the weight room, which I liked, but really it

1708
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 3: was Rodman that stood out to me. And what I

1709
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 3: loved about what they showed with Rodman was here was

1710
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 3: this guy who a lot of clubhouses and a lot

1711
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 3: of organizations are gonna want to try to make somebody

1712
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 3: conform to something that and to an extent, you can

1713
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 3: get that from some people. Some people can buy into

1714
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 3: a program, can buy into a way of living, can

1715
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 3: buy into what you expected to behave Like, that's not

1716
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 3: altogether a bad thing, but when you've got somebody who

1717
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 3: that's not gonna work with and there are a tremendous talent,

1718
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 3: there's no point in being it's not gonna work. And

1719
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 3: what I loved about what the Bulls had was they

1720
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 3: kind of had their own vibe. They kind of had

1721
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 3: their own way of doing things. They certainly had the

1722
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 3: triangle offense as a strategy on the court BC, but

1723
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 3: they recognized, Look, Rodman's going to be his own guide.

1724
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 3: But when it comes time to produce, he can produce,

1725
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 3: especially after that turning point he had with that one

1726
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 3: bad game when he came to Michael's room and he

1727
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 3: smoked a cigar together and they just they let him

1728
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 3: be what he was gonna be, and it turned out

1729
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 3: that was the best way to make it work.

1730
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 2: BC.

1731
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 3: I liken it to you where when I had plans

1732
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 3: for this show, showing dix was not really a thing

1733
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 3: that I had at the top of the list. But

1734
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 3: you come along and you're like, we need to show

1735
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 3: more dicks, and I'm like, I don't know, but I

1736
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 3: realized BC, like Rodman, if I let you let your

1737
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 3: creative vision fly, it actually makes the whole show a

1738
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 3: lot better and cast a wider net and together as a.

1739
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 2: Team, we can go further. So thanks for the dicks.

1740
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 2: So are you.

1741
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: Jordan in this scenario or are you Phil Jackson?

1742
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 3: And who is jab I'm like the rest of the

1743
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 3: Bulls organization, I don't know. I'm just sort of saying

1744
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 3: I don't know what place I take, but I do

1745
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 3: just to be serious for a moment. The best organizations

1746
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 3: are the ones that find ways to get the best

1747
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 3: out of their players, and they do it together. You

1748
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 3: do have to conform a little bit, right. They let

1749
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 3: him go on a forty eight hour vacation versus a

1750
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 3: full vacation.

1751
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: VA slash Bender slash slashbender.

1752
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 3: But but at the end of the day, they found

1753
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 3: ways to just let Rodman be Rodman and it worked well.

1754
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: Like Rodman Luke when when I when we turn on

1755
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: this microphone, my life maybe mayhem and the seconds leading

1756
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: up to it, but when that red light goes on,

1757
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: Luke's championship level, that's what I bring to the table.

1758
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: That's what he brought to the table during that This

1759
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: stock is so fantastic, and you know, it's just we

1760
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: all lived it. It's like, I'm I knew all of this,

1761
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 1: but but it's just the way it's constructed, the way

1762
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: it's presenting it. You didn't really realize what a traveling

1763
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: carnival that team was. You know, you thought of them

1764
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: as just the super League team. Yeah, they got crazy Rodman,

1765
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: But to see all those machinations and breakdowns and everything

1766
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: Scotty went through emotionally during that season of trying to

1767
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 1: ask for a trade and all that is so interesting.

1768
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 1: But the best part about this dock by far Luke

1769
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: is the fact that Michael's allowed to say the F

1770
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: word every three seconds and shout out to Ron Harper,

1771
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: who dropped a very good that forward. And it's not

1772
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,440
Speaker 1: just swearing for the sake of swearing. Michael Jordan legitimately

1773
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be looked at badly if

1774
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: you remember heading into this dock. He actually did a

1775
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: little bit of damage control and did some public interviews

1776
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: talking about it. Look, I think he actually looks better

1777
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: off than we ever could have thought. He doesn't necessarily

1778
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: look like what he probably was back then. And I

1779
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: read The Jordan Rules, great book that really outlines that

1780
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: ninety one title season where he was a dick to

1781
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: people like Horace Graant, Bill Cartwright, almost gotten fights. We

1782
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 1: know the famous fits fight with Steve Kerr that happens later.

1783
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 1: But I've also read a freaking fantastic book called When

1784
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: Nothing Else Matters by Michael Lahey, which chronicles Jordan's two

1785
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: years with the Washington Wizards, where the management of that

1786
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 1: team used him just as much as he used them

1787
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 1: to get back on the court and live out his

1788
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: dreams once more. But in those books, I mean, he's

1789
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: a maniacal, just perfectionist leader. In this doc he's just

1790
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: a really honest, inspiring guy. And I know that might

1791
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: sound crazy for a dude who sitting there with whiskey

1792
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: in a in a cigar, just ripping people. But I

1793
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: feel like he's coming across as so transparent and real,

1794
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 1: and everything he's saying is always backed up by what

1795
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: he's trying to do. Make everybody better, get the best

1796
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 1: out of everybody, and win. I know we're not seeing

1797
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: the video of him destroying people, although he took Scotty

1798
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: Brow of the woodshed there in episode four publicly, But

1799
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: I somehow respect him even more. And I was never

1800
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: a Jordan lover or hater in terms of a fan.

1801
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm a Boston Celtics fan, so I never really fell

1802
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,560
Speaker 1: into that. But this really, like I come out of

1803
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: each episode, look, not even kidding, like where are the freeways?

1804
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: I think I need to get back into finding out

1805
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 1: how great I can be, something I think I'm already doing,

1806
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: yet I could be even more. I think I need

1807
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: a Michael Jordan in my life. That's all I'm saying. Look, Okay,

1808
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: I think my marriage was better. I'd be a better father. Michael,

1809
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: are you free Let's do this thing? Okay? I could

1810
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 1: do some of it. Did you see a second wife?

1811
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 1: I could do some of that too.

1812
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 3: I loved how they got into the weight room and

1813
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 3: how it transformed everything and a tough in thementally and physically. Dude,

1814
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 3: is it me or does Michael Jordan's lif or is

1815
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 3: it ready to quit on him? His eyes are so

1816
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 3: jaundiced and yellow?

1817
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 2: Have you noticed that?

1818
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, there's there's some mileage there, Luke, my man

1819
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:12,799
Speaker 1: and I love.

1820
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 3: To drink, but my man must absolutely get busy on

1821
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 3: the bottle. His eyes appear to be totally just I

1822
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 3: mean glassy at all times.

1823
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:23,759
Speaker 2: Yellow.

1824
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 3: Wow, Michael Jordan must get I mean sauced up chilling

1825
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 3: in the cut.

1826
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

1827
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 1: I think it's weird that when that they're not talking

1828
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: about his first wife at all, Like it's not even

1829
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:35,719
Speaker 1: a topic of conversation in the show.

1830
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 3: I bet some stuff all these documentaries, like there's nothing

1831
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 3: that's off limits. If the dude is participating in the documentary,

1832
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 3: there's gonna be some stuff that's off limits. It's just,

1833
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 3: you know, you can say what you want to the audience,

1834
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 3: but it's not true true.

1835
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: Do you agree though?

1836
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 2: That?

1837
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: What makes this doc grate is that Michael's performance as

1838
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: a talking head in the dock is a ten out

1839
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: of ten, Like they gave him the opportunity to roast

1840
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,799
Speaker 1: Isaiah and he crapped all over him.

1841
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 3: And Horace Grant calling all the ninety one Pistons straight

1842
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 3: up bitches or was it the ninety I forget which

1843
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 3: one calling him straight up bitches and then showing how

1844
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 3: they wanted to interrupt the Bird to Magic to Michael,

1845
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 3: sort of destiny that the NBA had set out. But

1846
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 3: more than that, I just love, like this is one

1847
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 3: thing you don't get out of MMA in the same way.

1848
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 3: You get a little bit of it, but not nearly

1849
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 3: the same, which is when you can build the right team.

1850
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 3: And you know, Kraus deserves some credit for that. He

1851
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 3: got over aggressive with it, but some of the decisions

1852
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 3: he made were great. It's like Jordan had to take us.

1853
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 3: Jordan had to have a realization with a triangle offense

1854
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 3: that it can't just be me winning the dunk contest

1855
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 3: and the scoring contest and defensive Player of the Year.

1856
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 3: That's fun, but it's really not going to get us

1857
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 3: to the next level. I have to make everyone around

1858
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 3: me better and so there's a sacrifice there. But also

1859
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 3: like what Pippen, like Jordan figured out how Pippen works.

1860
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 3: Pippen just needs someone by his to cheer him on

1861
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 3: and to be a team player with him, and he

1862
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 3: needs to see that and feel that, and then his

1863
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 3: level of play comes up. And he had kind of

1864
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 3: figured out what each person needs to get the very

1865
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 3: best out of them and to get that chemistry working together.

1866
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 3: We've been telling this to MMA fans, like, if you

1867
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 3: don't watch other sports man, you're really missing out. Pick

1868
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 3: one that you want, maybe it's basketball, maybe it's not,

1869
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 3: but watching him think through the process of making that

1870
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 3: chemistry work. People always talk about team chemistry in the

1871
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 3: news as something that either they have or they don't.

1872
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 3: And what you see when this documentary is it can

1873
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 3: be hard to produce. You have to figure out how

1874
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 3: to do it, and the very best ones find ways

1875
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 3: to make the workflow easier. But they really pay attention

1876
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 3: to the context that have to be in place and

1877
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 3: what they have to do to make it possible for

1878
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 3: everybody else.

1879
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 2: I've really enjoyed that part too.

1880
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for as crazy as Rodman is, and you

1881
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:56,799
Speaker 1: love the common electra stories and all that they perfectly

1882
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: identify and encapsulated how smart he was and how art

1883
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: he worked watching video studying angles and you know, for

1884
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: Michael who is as you saw, is willing to drop

1885
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: a load on anybody at any point. Sorry, drop a

1886
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: deuce load would be gross. His respect for Rodman's mind

1887
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: and uh focus when it matters. Uh. You saw the

1888
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: reindorsement that it constantly was for Michael to to allow

1889
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 1: some of thatcentric eccentricity and craziness. Wow, Jay jumping right

1890
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: in not only wanting us to move on, but he

1891
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:26,799
Speaker 1: thinks that that doc is awful.

1892
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 2: Dude, Dude, Carmen Electra is forty eight and a ten

1893
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 2: out of ten? Are you not blown away at how

1894
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 2: how aging just does not apparently seem to affect her?

1895
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: I wish I was blown away, Luke, I wish Yeah.

1896
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's just that's freaking fantastic.

1897
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1898
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: Wow, any other takes?

1899
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 2: Another takes for episodes three and four.

1900
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: I had other takes about this, but Jay just got

1901
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 1: my ear and you know, I don't know. Yeah whatever. Hey,

1902
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:57,679
Speaker 1: Jay's got a new documentary out. You know you're gonna

1903
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: you want to plug it or just plug him?

1904
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 2: What's it called? Jay?

1905
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: You got a new doc right.

1906
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 2: Jay?

1907
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: Okay, it's being edited right now. It's called on Board.

1908
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 1: It's about you know, all those people like Jay Luke,

1909
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 1: who have like platinum executive status on every single thing

1910
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: ever and they like fly around the world for free.

1911
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 2: That's what this is about rich people.

1912
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 3: That sounds like a great idea when there's twenty million

1913
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 3: unemployed Americans, Jay to feature the lifestyles of the rich

1914
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 3: and famous.

1915
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: Jay, how are you going to defend that?

1916
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 4: Bro?

1917
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 1: All right? All right, they can't hear them. They can

1918
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 1: hear them. I get it.

1919
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 2: People, Yeah, nobody cares, all right, BC. We should tell

1920
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 2: the folks. Number one.

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Speaker 3: If you want to get Showtime very simple, go to

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Speaker 3: Showtime dot com. You can put up the figure to

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Speaker 3: everything out there. If you like it, free trial, you

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Speaker 3: thirty days. It's all yours. Lots of great stuff there.

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Speaker 3: And in the meantime, you can follow and subscribe to us.

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Speaker 3: We're on Instagrams where the questions go on Sundays. We've

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Speaker 3: got the YouTube channel. Like the video subscribe any other

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Speaker 1: We don't have a live boxing yet. Hopefully it'll come

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Speaker 1: back after the UFC, but Showtime this Friday night, ten

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern on Showtime, Going to show some Errol Spence

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Speaker 1: junior classics. You know him, Luke, the badass, unbeaten, unified

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Speaker 1: welterweight champion. Remember when he went to England and took

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Speaker 1: down the great kel Brook. Remember when he defended his

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Speaker 1: title against Lama Peterson. You can relive both of those.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to relive those with me? Maybe crack

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Speaker 1: a cold one, Luke. I don't want to put you

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Speaker 1: on the spot here. I don't know what you're doing

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Speaker 1: Friday night.

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Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see. I have to figure out my

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Speaker 3: schedule out, but it's certainly a possibility. Okay, but that

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Speaker 3: will be on showtime. I think what ten pm on Friday.

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Speaker 1: If memory serves ten Eastern memory serves.

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Speaker 3: You, well, Luke, Okay, all right, we'll be see. One

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Speaker 3: of us has another job to get to. Another one

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Speaker 3: of us doesn't. So I'll just say this great show.

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Speaker 3: Good talking to you. We've got we've got a little

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Speaker 3: something planned for you guys in the middle of the week.

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Speaker 3: We're still trying to work out some of the details,

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Speaker 3: so stay tuned for that. Yes, very good and for

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Speaker 3: everyone at on the show here, Thank you guys so

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Speaker 3: much for watching Lack the video. Subscribe to the channel

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