WEBVTT - Rotten w/ Terry Serpico 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.160 Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.960 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.400 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on These are our stories, 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:31.880 done done. Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast coming 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:33.520 to you at a normal pace. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:35.800 My name is Lisa Traeger. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:41.000 And I'm Kara Klank And on this podcast we talk 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:46.320 SVU true crime and talk to guests. And I'm hot 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.920 off of a trip to New York where I saw 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.800 Lisa and she did my show. And thank you to 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.280 everybody that listens to the pod that came out. It 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.480 was a great turnout. Lisa and all the comics were amazing. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:59.520 I was very wild. Was that morning. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.680 Some was that soul cycle and they're like, I'm coming 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:02.320 to the show tonight. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:03.640 I'm like, and I'll see you there. 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.760 We're really living I don't know, pet lives and in 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.120 a word in front of it, I don't know what 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:10.720 to say. 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:17.039 Parallel, parallel, But yeah, it was a fun. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:18.960 It was a whirlwind. It was. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.840 It was a whirlwind. I was in New York and 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:23.800 then in Indiana and then back in New York and 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.759 then gone and uh, but the entire time I was there, 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.839 all anyone was talking about was the Riod Comedy Festival. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.160 It was on the tip of everyone's time, the tip 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.520 of everyone's tongue. In my feeds all over the place, the. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.520 New Roxy Heart, the Riod Comedy Festival. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.840 It was giving me like parody artwork of it, like 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.880 in my feed of accounts I don't follow. I was like, Okay, 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.400 we get it. You know that I'm interested in this topic. 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.680 But if anybody doesn't know what we're talking about. There's 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:59.200 a comedy festival in Saudi Arabia, a famously, famously oppressive 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.680 regime that is sponsored by the government, that all these 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.240 comics are doing, and honestly barely any of them surprise 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.320 me except for a couple, and I'm sad about that. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.760 Thing is if you're a foolier, like whatever, but the 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.000 people that do try to say things like you have 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.160 no leg to stand on. You've lost all credibility, all integrity, 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.560 Like the end of the day, you can't like you 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.359 can't really speak about anything anymore. Like this is something 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.920 that's gonna I think follow them in whole. You know, 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:26.880 it's like they can't say anything anymore. 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.359 Yeah, I mean there's queer people going, I'm like, it's 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.239 illegal there, you know, to talk. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.920 To talk shit about billionaires going fuck you wealth and 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.160 then going to like an active country where there's I mean, 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.520 I don't know, Yeah, it's yeah. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.639 This comedian Alex Falcone like does these videos. He's big 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.880 on social and he's like he did some video that 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.119 was like if they're gonna pay you for someone's gonna 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:52.640 pay you for a job that you normally do, like 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.400 twenty times what you normally get paid, that's weird. Like 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:59.079 that's that's dangerous. Like if you found twenty bucks, He's like, 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:00.920 if you found twenty bucks on the ground, that's cool. 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.640 If you found twenty thousand dollars in a bag run away, 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.040 you didn't see shit, like you know, that's so you know, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.880 like it's just kind of like do you I don't 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.040 know the fact. I guess all these people really think 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:13.520 their talent is worth that much money. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.840 But well, I also I did convince someone not to go. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.320 But I know, and that's did I already talk about 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.520 it on here or no, you told me. You told me, 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.480 and I'm very proud of you for doing that. Yeah, 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:26.000 but they're they're annoyed with it right, So I don't know, 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.800 it's my thing. That's funny is the implication when I 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.280 was went with people, it's like, you wouldn't, you wouldn't, 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.520 and it's like no, I wouldn't, like and a bunch 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.160 of people did say no, So it's not even hypothetical 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.000 about me. It's like a no, people did say no. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.600 So stop saying everyone would do it. You would do it, 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.800 and that's fine, but it does inform and people are 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:46.240 allowed to inform opinions about you. 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:47.480 And if you are doing it. 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.200 For the money, or you're broke, or you know, you 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.200 don't give a fuck, that's fine too, But if you're 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.160 trying to give a fuck, it's kind of you know, 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.240 it looks's no one punk. 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.920 Rock anymore, Like why do I sound like the elderly? 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.760 But I know it's really like I mean, I was 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:07.560 talking to my husband about today and he was just like, 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.160 everybody's whole thing today is just get that money, get 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.800 the bag, like and no one cares. And I was like, yeah, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.359 it's just like disappointing for like two or three of 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:17.680 the people. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.240 Most of people, I'm like, I don't do care. A 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.680 lot of people said no and were offered. Yeah, I 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.320 knew about this festival before it was announce at all, 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.160 because I had a friend reach out to me, going, 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.120 can you fucking believe this? And they were pissed and 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.760 they said no, and they these people were doubling their 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:33.360 offer for. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.760 Him and had one thing to be like, well, the 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.080 people of Saudi Arabia need comedy. It's like, no, this 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.520 is put on by the government, like this is well, 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.800 that's and there's a list of shit you can't say 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:48.320 because if you performed for our government, I don't want 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.000 to talk to you, you know what I mean. So yeah, 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:51.919 because that's what people are saying, like, oh, it's so 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.279 good in America, and it's like it's kind of different 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.400 performing for people and the government, and no one's going 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.440 to perform at a JD vance like event is home, 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:01.040 you know what I mean? 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.520 Then what a Glorious Bastards is about? Like a show 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.960 for Hitler, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, we 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.520 could all do it, but you either fight or not. 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.840 And it's fine to bet, it's fine to survive whatever 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.320 you have to do to survive, but fuck you and 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.159 we get to judge you for it, and it's a 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.920 stain on your legacy. And it's not saying that I'm 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.720 more or less ethical or immoral. And I do immral 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.440 things all the time, and I've I've compromised my shit 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.520 for stuff. So it's like, I don't think I'm better 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.400 than anybody that's doing it, but this is a stain 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:36.520 on them. Yeah, yeah, it is what it is. Well, 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.880 I did a double feature. I don't know why, but 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.520 I guess I watched seven in Silence of the Lambs 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.279 while I was, Oh, I was cleaning, That's what I 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:46.520 was doing, so I had it on in the background. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.599 I can't believe you watched like a double feature of 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.280 like two of my favorite most terrifying movies. 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:52.880 They are there was. 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.599 Points where like in seven, the patchy fucked up skin 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.880 and they're like flaking the skin. I was like, I've 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:01.880 really why didn't I put on Housewives? 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.000 But you had seen had you seen both of these 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.280 movies or this was the first time. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.000 No, I've seen each one. 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.679 I've probably seen Seven a few more than Silence Lambs, 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.800 but yeah, I've seen them both. Actually, and then because 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.359 I was avoiding cleaning, I did make a list of 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:19.840 my top one hundred movies. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.560 Okay, Yeah, is it going to be available for viewing anywhere. 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:26.680 Do you think anyone would care? I mean I would, 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.960 but I already I think it on your gram. I 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.200 did think of one yesterday, so I have to take 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.440 one off. I've already had to do that twice. But 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.960 that's tough. Yeah, that's well because I just kind of 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.600 did it in a in a haze, like i'd i'd 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:41.039 want to do a re. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.320 I think both of those would probably be on my list. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.840 I mean Silence of the Lambs for sure. Yeah, I 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.760 don't know about Well, that's what inspired me to write 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:50.960 the list. I was watching Silence of the Lambs well first, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.800 I was watching both both. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.720 I was watching both being like, damn, these are good. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:56.799 I'm like, this is good. 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.960 This is so fucking good, and I was like, I 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:00.880 should make a list because it would definitely be on it. 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:06.839 Yeah, dude, that's like, sorry, it's reminding me. I know, 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.159 we keep talking about AI and getting mad, but it's 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.080 reminding me of this like meme that's been going around 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.280 that I'm almost like, I'm ninety nine percent sure is AI. 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:18.480 Where it's the box spoiler alert for seven everybody, if 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.080 you haven't seen seven that came out when I was 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.640 fourteen years old. Uh, Like, you know, they open the 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.280 box and you don't ever see what's in the box. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.800 But in this meme, Gwyneth Paltrow is like in the 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:30.960 box and she's smiling and she's alive, like she's part 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.760 of the picture and like and Morgan Freeman's standing there 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.720 and Kevin Spacey and Brad Pitt and it's been going 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.000 around everywhere and everyone's like, well, I hate AI, but 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:47.119 I love that this exists. So I don't know, maybe 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.360 that's one of our pluses. 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.120 I don't know, we've been being fed. 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.680 I'm sure in your algorithm it's like the AI actress. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.120 You know, the agencies are fo oh. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.920 My god, the AI actress like the champ thing, like 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.840 we have to fight, we have to fight it. Why 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.640 are we being casual? Someone was like, well, I have 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.440 to make a list of ten under the water see 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:08.320 animal facts. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.400 I go, and you need a AI? I go, Are 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:11.400 you fucking kidding me? 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:11.800 So? 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.520 I wouldn't waste time. I go, that would take ten seconds. 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:14.960 I go. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.040 You would just type in an animal go to fun 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.480 facts and make I'm like, that's what's like, that's what. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:21.000 Life is about. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.280 And I go I can give you fucking facts right now. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.440 And she was like what, I'm like, how many hearts 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:26.280 does an octopus have? 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.480 You know what I mean? Like, you know nothing? Is 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:28.920 the answer? 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:29.360 Three? 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:30.240 Yes, it is. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.800 Okay because we're adults and we should know stuff and 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.200 know how to look for stuff. I've been drunk a 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.000 lot this week, so I have been rampaging. It is 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.560 coming out right now. I have been going off. I've 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.480 been going off. Oh my god, I've been like, I'm 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.640 on the version of almost slapping people upside the head. 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.760 You are a creative, you make money on your brain, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:54.400 thoughts and speech, and you're gonna let this take. What 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.600 the fuck are you even thinking it's psychotic? 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.720 It's truly psychotic? Oh my god, yeah I can't. I 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.839 mean we we you guys all know how we feel. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:04.720 And then some of you keep writing us being like 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.800 and then there's an AI ad on your podcast. I'm like, 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.680 we're trying to stop those. We don't know how those 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.320 get there. I don't even know what the ads are for. 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:11.959 We have made our point clear. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:18.520 Yeah, we're against that. I think gambling, maybe some vitamins. 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:20.640 We're against some stuff we do. 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:24.000 We are our friend Bridger host of I said no 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.400 gifts right here on the exactly right network. He I 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.480 just did his Patreon the other day and he was 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.880 telling me. He's like, I think that AI is like 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.959 a scam. I think it's gonna burst. It's gonna be 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.040 like the dot com. It's gonna be like I mean 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.880 chatch Epet's obviously, but just the amount of money and 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.320 surrounded like feels like it's bringing the like the richest 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:45.760 man in the world right now is like someone you've 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.240 never heard of, who like is I think the CEO 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.760 of like nvideo like that makes AI some sort of AI. 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.200 I don't know what they make, but like some chip 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.600 to make AI. I have no fucking idea, but it's 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.400 bringing a ton of money in and I feel like 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.120 that's all gonna pop and then we'll still have chatchypt 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:03.520 like we'll still have that stuff. 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.760 But but that's just what life was about. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.400 The full automation of all of the jobs and AI actresses, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:11.520 I'm hoping is like a bubble that's gonna burst. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.480 If we were doing bet like better things with all 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.520 this gained time we have with this convenience, then it 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:19.280 could be fine. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.440 But we're only on our phones. 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:27.640 Yeah, we're scrolling, so just go go research, go buy 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:28.240 a stamp. 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:29.520 I don't know. 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.600 Yeah, go buy gloves at the store, Like live a life. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.520 You are doing nothing. We are doing nothing. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.520 I am laying in my bed and I'm scrolling like 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.360 we're not doing anything, and that I don't have toilet 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:41.040 paper right now. 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:41.920 But I have to go to the store. 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.200 I have to go to the store, but I have 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.040 wet wipes. I don't want anyone to think I'm like 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.120 a dirty bitch. No, no, I also do I have 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.679 to I have to hire someone. Someone wants to put in. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.079 I have a fucking I have a bid day. I 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:55.600 think we did an ad for a be day. Someone 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.480 sent me a day. Oh yeah, to shit, we did, 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.760 so she sent and I have it and I want it. 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.240 I have it and I had it installed by a 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.640 person that I hired. Like so it's I'm not selling 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.079 you to do it yourself. And I really like it. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:09.880 But I don't think we ever did an ad for them. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.160 They sent you to us. I don't think we ever 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:16.360 did an ad like yeah, I mean the persons. But 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:18.800 here's the ad right now. It's talking about it in 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:25.880 our opening. Can we also really quickly say thank you 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.000 to So someone sent something to Lisa and I brought 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:30.960 it to her in New York and she just got 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.679 it this past Sunday. I know you sent it a 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:35.000 couple of weeks ago and it was meant to be 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:36.599 a birthday gift, but she just got it at the 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:38.480 end of September, about a month after her birthday. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.720 Yeah, it was amazing. The luck. The luck la boo boo. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.400 And I mean, when my you know, Jared Goldstein found out, 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.520 he goes, you got luck, I go, I got luck 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:52.319 and it she's gorgeous. It's like cotton, candy colors, purple toenails, 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:53.240 like I love her. 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.480 Yeah, and that's from a listener named Kevin. That was 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:58.360 very sweet of you to send that. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.640 To I've actually been a lot of our girls, you 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.360 know what, And guys, listen, the fact that we don't 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:10.480 have like a name for our listeners yet after years, 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.400 I know the fact that we're like, wait, we want 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.240 new merch what do we say? I'm like, how do 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:20.920 we not have more taglines and nicknames? Because I go, 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.520 are not franchised and are not gender heteronormative. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.880 Well, also we say funny, weird shit all the time, 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.400 But like in one episode, we just don't repeat over 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.000 and over again the same. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.000 Stuff I think we do. They must they're gonna start, 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:35.280 they'll tell us right now. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.120 But like, yeah, if you have an idea, we're really 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:38.960 trying to drum up new name. We're trying to drum 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.880 up new ideas for like a T shirt or merch 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.200 or something for the for the holidays and beyond. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.760 So if you have an idea, and I don't wear shirts, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.319 so if you want something else, tell us. Have we 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.320 ever made scrunchies? Like what do people actually use? And 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.760 we may these doves tell us to make We should 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.680 make a knife. We should make a knife, a knife. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.400 We should do something for fighting back. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:06.400 Oh those things that you carry in your key, in 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.800 your in your wrist when you're when you're walking. 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.439 Okay, what do you guys want the weapon? To say? 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.760 We're gonna create a weapon. We're gonna make a weapon. 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.600 But don't say Dick Wolf baby, because we are not 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.480 allowed to do that. We've talked about it before, but 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.640 people still suggest it every other day. We cannot do 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:21.640 anything with Dick Wolf's things. 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:22.120 I saw a. 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.560 Line that like all these got like all these like 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.720 weapons are legal, but anything that women can use to 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.160 protect themselves is illegal. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.080 Oh yeah, but like mace is not. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.040 Yeah, I got you. That might be my new thing. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.520 I'm gonna fucking put a bill out JK. Our country 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:39.960 is burning. 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:44.160 But oh and also I want to really quickly shout 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:49.280 out the couple that invited us to their wedding. I 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.320 believe it's in Phoenix. I'm so sorry I left the 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.600 invitation in my house. I believe the wedding is this 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.079 weekend coming up. So we're wishing you and your husband, 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.480 who I believe you set your future husband. You said 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.480 that you got him turned onto the podcast, and we 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.360 appreciate you guys so much, and we're wishing you a 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.560 amazing wedding. Congratulations. 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:09.480 Hell yeah, that's beautiful. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:14.480 Okay. So I'm watching Silence of the Lambs and there's 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.880 a cop. So the scene is they're like at the elevator, 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.200 you know, like he's eaten these guys. We don't know 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.280 where he is, and so there they are, all these 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.680 cops are there looking at the elevator and there's a 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:29.680 woman that has two lines. Her name is Officer Jacobs, 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.000 and I go, I know that bitch, and she she's 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.760 in Shaken, she shook the baby and Shaken, and she's 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:40.160 the wife of Bosh in the Chopped Head one Resilience. 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.720 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know exactly the actress you're 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:43.240 talking about. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.080 Yeah. So her name is Cynthia Eninger. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:50.560 And it's these moments where I go, damn, maybe I 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.280 don't know two lot, but I was like, I know her, 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.680 I fucking know her. And it's everywhere. It's literally that 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:57.120 meme of Miranda Cosgrove. 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.360 I curly like looking at the computer and everybody's like 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.600 me telling you which characters are from King of Queens 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:03.760 are on whatever, Like you. 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.600 Know, it says she was in Seinfeld the parking garage, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:08.960 but it's not popping out to me. It says Michelle. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.040 So I'll definitely like have to rewatch. That's to rewatch. Yeah, 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.680 I asked because I don't so that's pretty humiliating, but 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:20.440 you know, I want to be transparent here. Oh my god, 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:22.120 I watched the premiere episode. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.880 Oh my god, I can't believe we didn't say spoiler. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.360 If like you are, if you did not watch the 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:33.560 first episode of season twenty seven, fast forward to a while, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.120 because we're about this for a minute. 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:35.720 Some minutes. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:36.120 Don't care. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.240 Some of you don't even still watch the show. But 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.440 the show's still on and they have a female show 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:42.280 run on it. I'm excited for this season. 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.760 There was no need. I'm fucking pissed. So the episode 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.880 starts and Carrot told me when I saw her, like, 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.280 did you not watch it? I'm not gonna say aything, 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.280 she goes, but you're not gonna like it, and she 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:55.400 was right. It opens up We're at Cragan's funeral. We're 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.400 at Capita bar funeral. We're at a cop bar and 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.840 there's a sign of Kragan. Dan Florick is not dead, 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.400 like we could have We did not need to do this, 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.000 like the I mean famously one of our first big 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.960 gets on the podcast, obsessed with him. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.640 He was so sweet. He could have come back for 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.880 like little cameos like I don't understand why kill him? 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.400 And then you think that's bad enough, but you know 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.600 there's a little reunion, you see people whatever. 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.920 Then Finn gets fully beaten. 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.560 The shit out of his gut, like he gets got 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.680 Like there's a couple and they're pretending to fight, but 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:32.560 he thinks it's a real fight. And then the girl 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.360 like knocks him out, They beat the shit out of him. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:35.920 He's busted, he's in the hospital. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:37.160 Yeah. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:38.840 So, like if you've ever come to some of our 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.080 earlier live shows, I used to do a super cut 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.920 of all the time Stabler got his ass absolutely kicked. 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.160 Like Stabler has been beaten up, he's had he's been 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:48.240 like thrown through windows. 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.680 To live a more relaxing lifestyle, we have seen this 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.560 kind We've never seen that with Finn, Like we've never 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:57.400 been like, oh fuck, no, Finn, Like he was on 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.120 the ground just getting the shit kicked out of him. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:04.000 And I didn't like that sandwiched right after Craigan dying 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:05.280 for no goddamn reason. 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.920 It was Yeah, but then the episode I thought was good. 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.399 Yeah, that's my problem is that I liked where the 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.520 tone went after it. To me, it felt like an 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.800 older episode, Like, of course the show is like more 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.159 high def and like shinier than it used to be 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.480 back in like the early seasons. But I liked that 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.920 it was just like a random person reporting their crime 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:27.679 against them and then we've got to go out there 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.440 and do police work and ask around and see who 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.600 saw what. And then of course it did involve like 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.640 a current issue like it involves ice and stuff like that. 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.840 But it didn't like, it wasn't like the way that 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.840 the last few seasons have been where it's like cartels 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.200 and gangs and the most powerful lifeguard in New York 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.439 and the most powerful soccer player in New York and 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.439 like all these people. You're like, this isn't like real. 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.680 This was like a real person that and like Olivia 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.000 has like her old school connection with the victim. 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:01.359 It's like the old showrunner was like, oh, people like succession, 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.320 Let's get rich people into SVU like that. 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.880 Yeah, like total cash. 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:07.879 And this was like a girl that was like the 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.159 victim in this episode, like is in town for a 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.240 job interview, and like Live's talking to her all about 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.800 like how she can get through this and like her 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:15.480 job and stuff. 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:16.120 It was cool. 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.680 I liked the vibe of it, and so I hope 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.040 that's like a hallmark of this new director. I just 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.479 feel like, I guess it's like I understand they need 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.800 to make us splash in these episodes. But let me 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:32.119 also say something that happened was after the beginning scene 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.560 where they all see each other at the funeral. I mean, 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.480 it's it's the cop like Irish wake or whatever. After 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:41.119 the funeral and Liv walks out to her car, Stablers 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.919 leaning up against her car. They have a little exchange. 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.280 There's a million other ways you can get those two together. Okay, 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:47.840 they're both working in here. We don't have to kill 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.119 a beloved character to get those two together. But then 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.680 when she gets in her car, he says to her, 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.240 love you, and the Internet is going like I happened 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:00.000 to be on Reddit honestly checking out comments about Theovonne 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.040 bombing and the Riod Comedy Festival. But I I'm on 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:04.960 the I have a. 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.679 Theo story too, Okay, I mean not with me, but 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.480 people were not nice to him, and I was like, fuck, yeah, 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:12.800 New York has a fuck. 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.800 With you, get the fuck out of here. 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:16.800 I was just I was just happy for my people 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.080 because I usually have to be like confrontational, but people didn't. 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:21.720 Yeah, I'm proud of everyone. 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.840 It's like, you're at the fucking Beacon, what a dream 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.919 and you're not memorizing your jokes Like I'm sorry whatever. 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.920 So anyway, so I go on Reddit because I'm reading 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:32.720 all this other stuff, and the first it knows I 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:34.800 like su So I'm getting this thread about the love 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.000 you and people are like, they don't say that to 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.679 each other. That means something, and other people were like 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.240 being normal, and we're. 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.040 Like, well, did you see the Maloney interview. He goes 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.320 he improvised that, yes, I saw that, You're welcome. 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.200 Yeah, fuck off. But they kept it in because it's 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:54.320 like two old friends going love you. He wasn't going 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.560 I'm in love with you, and people are saying that 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:58.800 on the OC he admits that he's in love with her, 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.359 I have not seen that. If you have an episode 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.520 where Christopher Maloney on the OC admits to being in 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.960 love with Olivia Benson, please to being deeply in love 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.440 with her, not loving her. There's other ways of being 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.840 in love with the romantic love is different than all love, 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.080 and and everybody was just acting like this was But 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.119 I think you could have teased the episode so much 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.240 instead of because I saw articles that were like a 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:26.320 beloved character dies on SVU and I was like, Okay, 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:28.920 you could have teased it with like you finally hear 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:30.960 the two words the words you want to hear between 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:32.840 Benson and Stable or I mean, like, there's other ways 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.000 you could tease the first episode that's not killing off 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:38.160 the character. Of an actor who's still living and has 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.400 appeared on the show recently in cameos. 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:41.879 I don't, I don't. I don't know why we did 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.760 that to Dan Florak. No, And maybe maybe someone will 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.760 will get someone on the line. Yeah, someone on the line. 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:49.920 Hopefully someone will pick this up. 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:50.320 Now. 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.520 Wait, I'm going to try to go to the Dune 0:20:54.600 --> 0:21:00.440 Dun Diner experience this weekend. It's it looks cute. It's 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:02.919 the Law and Order pop up. It's at Rockefeller one 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:07.439 Rockefeller Plaza. But it's also Taylor's Swift Weekend. The album 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:11.360 is coming out, so I am pretty swamped. So I'm 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.800 thinking I'm gonna go Sunday, DM me let me know 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.240 what you guys are thinking when you're going. But it's Friday, Saturday, 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.680 Sunday one pm to seven pm Friday and then nine 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:23.959 am to seven pm Saturday and Sunday. So maybe I'll 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:25.720 go to Taylor Swift Spin and then go But I 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:27.600 feel like the lines it's gonna be pandemonium. I feel 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:29.400 like I have to go Sunday and go an hour before. 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:31.439 Well, this is this weekend, right and this episode's not 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:34.600 coming out in to so maybe all of this is moot. 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.840 But yeah, I mean, never mind, I will tell you 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:38.320 about it. 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:39.000 I will be there. 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:43.640 Maybe I'll see you guys and lol forever. But I'm 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:44.000 gonna go. 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:45.360 I'm gonna go. I hope I see you guys there. 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:46.520 Yeah, I hope you're to go. 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:51.639 No, I'm definitely going. It's just if I'm gonna make Saturday. 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.600 It's just you can listen to the album while you 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:55.879 wait in line, right or something? 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:56.200 Or no. 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.040 Well, I'm going to Taylor Swift Soul cycles like they're 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.560 making things around it. Yeah, there's bead making. Yeah, there's rituals. 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.040 I forgot. I forgot I forgot about the religious aspect 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:05.280 of it. 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.199 But oh but this is too this. I want to 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.119 go to the SVU Diner. But my one friend that 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:13.760 I feel would come with me, she's going to be 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:16.040 in London. I don't know who who. I don't know, 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.200 but people like I gotta I gotta figure it out. 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:21.400 Whoever to go, No, someone will, I'll figure it out. 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:23.800 But I'd rather go with someone that is going to 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:25.560 be as excited as into it. 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:25.840 Yeah. 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.639 Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think because I doubt it'll 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:29.080 be good. 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:33.960 What's the experience do you actually get to eat there 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.200 or do you just go in partnership with Milk Bar 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.520 that's disgusting and dinner service in New York Multi day 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.920 Eve indulgent diner favorite dishes, get their hands on limited editions, 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:46.760 squad merchandise, and surround themselves with interactive moments and imagery 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.280 that call back to Law and Order heroes, guest stars, 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:51.240 and decades worth of cases, leads and clues. 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:52.520 Oh my god, I can't fucking wait. 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.400 Damn, I can't believe this is the weekend after I'm 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:57.960 in New York. That's the annoying I know, but. 0:22:57.960 --> 0:22:59.879 I can't go FORRID. So yeah, Saturday, Saturday is an 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:02.959 I can't fucking wait. I have other stuff, but we 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:05.040 will talk about it and the post mortem. But it 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.879 is crime related and I have things. Oh okay, all right, 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:11.560 let's start started. Let's get started on today's episode. But 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:14.560 before we start, that's messed up Live dot com. You 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:15.960 can find all Lisa's tour d eights. 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:17.920 She's gonna be on the road, She's in Europe, she's 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:20.280 in the US, She's all over the goddamn place. Scroll 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:22.600 down to Lisa's website and that will take you to 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:26.920 all the legit links. 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Season four, episode 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:04.800 teen came out in January, so a winter Wonderland kind 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.880 of episode, and it starts off with an anxious man 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.920 asking Finn like, what's up? What's raiment? How do I postpond? 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:15.440 What if I can't do that? And basically Finn kind 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:17.560 of tells him what's what life's going to be like 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:19.600 He's going to go to the tombs for one night, 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.080 but if he cannot afford bail, he will go to 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:27.480 Rikers until trial really fucked up? Mm hmm, but I 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:31.800 don't ever mind. Some people shouldn't leave jail life is 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.359 so nuanced. But anyways, so Finn cuts him from It 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:36.879 just fucked up that people are sitting in jail for 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:39.399 a long time because they can't afford bail, but like 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.359 awful people can leave because they can afford it. 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:44.120 It's like that shouldn't really be that way. 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:50.960 Yeah, Finn cuts Finn grabs him from like the precinct cell, 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:54.600 cuffs him and starts walking him out. And the guy's like, listen, 0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:56.840 if I talk to missus Parks, she's gonna get it, 0:24:56.880 --> 0:25:00.040 and he goes, no, she's actually a pissed But he 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.640 love Sarah and she is pregnant. He wants to marry her. 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:04.840 But it's like, hey, babe, she was fifteen and you're 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.640 twenty one. So you're going to jail. Well you got 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:09.440 you got to serve your time and hopefully he'll be 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:10.439 out in eighteen months. 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:11.680 But you're a creep. 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:16.160 And so now we have kind a warden, a jail 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.119 time warden, and his name is Chad L. Coleman, and 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:21.159 he was a friend of the pod. He was on 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:24.520 the episode's Spousal Privilege, one of my favorite interviews because 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.320 there was a woman in the background who didn't know 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.520 she was on camera hof and around and he had 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:35.800 to be like bitch put on pants. So that's like 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.399 a fun memory for all of us. But you know, 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:41.280 I remember that he was in this episode two thrilled 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:44.560 to see him again. And he's explaining to a bunch 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.560 of men, don't make trouble. Don't talk to me about 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.320 how you're not guilty. I don't care about police brutality 0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:53.520 or any of your rights. Talk to legal aid. You're 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:57.640 gonna get fingerprinted, photographed. Cavity searched and assigned a cell. 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.360 Chow is seven Nude and six Lights out, nine thirty. 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.880 Have a nice day. This man's rattled, rattled as fuck, 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:06.600 but he's cooperating, you know. 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:07.280 Being quiet. 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:09.840 He's put in a cell and it's very orange is 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.160 the new black. You know, we're meeting everyone in the cell. 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:14.560 We have a long haired man and a silk top. 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:17.680 I didn't know you could kind of mix and match 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:24.120 in their outfit ways, but you know he's there and 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:28.320 he's serving cunt. And then there's a gray like gray 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:32.080 hoodie guy laying on the bottom bunk, and then a bald, 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.720 angry man walks in with our kind of like shaky man, 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:38.960 and you know, shaky man's trying to interact with bald 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:40.959 man like it's the real world, and the bald man 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.040 flicks his head and tells him to shut the fuck up, 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:45.679 and he wants the gray sweatshirt to get off his 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:49.439 fucking blood, but there's like other available bunks, so you know, 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:53.560 it's jail stuff. And so then we actually so so 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.440 bald guy throws off gray sweatshirt. There's blood all over 0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:59.720 the bed, and the new guy starts screaming, guard help, 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:04.200 and everyone's laughing at him. So he's crying and scrunches 0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:06.719 down to the floor. It's quite sad and truly you 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.119 hear just people making fun of him throughout the cells. 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:16.560 But yeah, maybe there should be a statutory rape jail, Yeah, 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:21.399 just for I didn't know. So now Benson's on the scene. 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:25.160 Obviously we're in block H, so you know, she gets 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:27.280 filled in that the Emmy is with the body and 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.440 one of her coworkers is talking to the cellmates, so 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:32.920 she gets she gets buzzed in and obviously as she's 0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:37.000 walking everyone's watching her, hooting hollering, rattling their cages. 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:39.200 You know, Hot Mama coming. 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:45.840 Through very silence of the layup. Melinda is there on 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:48.920 the scene. She's in a low pony. Stabler isn't there. 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:52.560 He's at a ViCAP seminar. He's making nice with the Feds. 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.639 So basically we find out this bloody guy he was 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.879 sodomized with a foreign object. He bled out internally and 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:03.040 it probably busts his bust his colon, so not good. 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.240 He's been dead about four to five hours tops. And 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.440 now we cut to Finn. He's talking to long hair 0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:12.159 sell mate and he's sassy and he hates Dominicans, but 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:14.560 he did try to talk to this guy, but you know, 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:18.080 he's like, they won't say hi, they're Dominican and silky top. 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.159 He's there for knifing his lever, but he claims that 0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:22.560 he got hit first, and then he winks and kisses 0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:26.280 the sky to Finn. Now it's a cell walk and 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:28.960 talk with Benson and Finn, and he's saying the long 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:31.800 hair guy did not interact with the dead guy because 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:35.280 he also hated gay people. But also not many people 0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.000 have access, so we're like, is it a Mexican versus 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.680 Dominican thing? So they go to chat with our warden 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.960 friend to get more information, and they're like, you know, 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.480 where any did any Mexicans have access to this dead 0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:50.440 Dominican man? And he goes, yes, Actually, Hector Ramirez went 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.320 to the infirmary and was there while Torres was there 0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:56.880 and their visits overlapped, so Hector is there for murder. 0:28:57.240 --> 0:28:59.600 So you know, it could be a nice first suspect. 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:03.080 To me, he's confident. I would say, maybe cocky, and 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:05.400 he sees the cops walk toward him and say, you 0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.120 know what, he is funny. 0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:08.240 He goes, what's up, Bacon? 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.320 So that joke really never gets old, and they're always 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:12.280 really creative with it. 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:12.960 I think. 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:16.760 He's not helping them. He just wants to play games, 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.800 you know. Deny, deny, deny. They taught him by being like, 0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.000 we heard you love to bend your enemies over. 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:23.880 What did you use a mop or a broom? 0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.160 He goes, no, I went there to get close to 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.760 a nurse, so that's why I was there. I was 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:31.840 there for a while and I wanted some action. And 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:34.200 Benson goes, the nurse wouldn't even fucking look at you, 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.120 and he goes, well, if she was by herself, I 0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:38.080 would have raped her, so she wouldn't have a choice, 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:39.120 and then he bites his lip. 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:45.880 We go to the nurse. 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.360 She's in pink scrubs and I like that she's keeping 0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:52.080 her jail job fun, you know. And she says I 0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:54.560 knew he was lying and his tooth was fine, and 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:59.240 he kept harassing me. But okay, but how's this guy dead? 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.880 And she's like, listen, he was vomiting. He had a fever, 0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:04.600 so maybe a flu. I gave him meds and I 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.640 told him he would feel better. But Nathan Duarte and 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.440 intake guard. That's who took him back. And then Torres 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:14.840 called Nathan mean homophobic names, so maybe Nathan is the 0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:18.000 one who did it. He'd recently been outed, so now 0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:20.920 everyone's taunting him for being gay. So we find out 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:23.800 that Torres was taken to the shower and there were 0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:27.000 screams coming from down the hallway and he didn't want 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.160 Nathan to touch him. So we have to go talk 0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:32.640 to Nathan and he's like, listen, everyone hates gay people. 0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:36.480 I work with really dumb people, like prison's not nurturing. 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.080 I'm chill. I don't really take any of this personal. 0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:42.680 I've heard worse, but you know, Torres is rude and 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:46.320 I don't give a shit. And they questioned the shower situation, 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.320 and he goes, yeah, he was covered in puke, he 0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:50.880 had to shower. But he doesn't like what they're implying. 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.800 He goes, because I'm gay, I raped him, and Bensa goes, no, 0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:55.600 you were just like the last person with him. 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:56.600 But he's pissed. 0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.080 He gets stern and says, I didn't touch him, and 0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:01.080 I took him to his cell after he showered. I 0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.800 left work at midnight and I went home. Benson wants 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.000 someone to vouch for him, and he does give a name. 0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:08.480 It's Chris Hartford, a legal aid attorney. 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:09.320 Cool. 0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:13.800 Wonder how they met. Knock knock, it's a woman. There's 0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.120 a baby crying. You know, this guy's cheating on his 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:19.760 wife with this man. So they do the classic like, oh, 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:21.520 we got to talk to you out here, you know, 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:25.000 client privilege, client privilege. So he hands the baby to 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:26.560 his wife and goes, get the fuck out of here. 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.440 I got to talk to these guys. So he's guilty. 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.520 He knows it. He's like, listen, I was with my 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:34.960 guy from one am to six am. I meet up 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.440 with him when my wife's out of town. Who is 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.600 with the baby. Who's with the baby from one to 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:41.600 six in the morning. 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:42.960 Maybe she was. 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:44.000 Out of town with the baby. 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:49.920 No month, No, oh, she took the baby on her trip. 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:51.920 That's fucked up. So she's trying to get a little 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:53.560 vaca and has to take the baby. 0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:56.480 Visit mom. 0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.120 I don't know people, I mean, I guess it's Alisa 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:00.640 her problems. 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:01.320 Like husband's cheating on her. 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:03.960 Yeah, they could have fucked in the house, honestly while 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:09.920 the baby slipped there. Like okay, So now we're at 0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:13.960 Melinda's house aka the Morgue. Cause of death, wooden splinters 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.520 in the rectum they were in. There was such force 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.960 that there was a hole in the colon. He bled 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:22.560 out for hours. It did not happen in the tombs. 0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:25.560 He was sick at intake, so it happened before he 0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:28.920 came in, So, you know, basically came in at midnight, 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.000 dead by four. So what's going on? Benson goes, I 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:33.880 mean a cop at the precinct must have done it. 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:37.760 So now we're at the Center precinct. We're brainstorming. Craigan's like, fuck, 0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.040 you think it's a cop, and it's like, well, he 0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:41.960 was arrested at eight pm and he was sick when 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:44.200 he got there, so it has to be their resting officers, 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:46.560 so we go meet them. We got a Les Cooper, 0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:51.640 Randall Grant, and John Royce is the commanding officer, and 0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:53.840 Craigan's like, let me give him a heads up first, 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.680 so they go to the twenty ninth precinct. The bald 0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:59.480 head guy is the guy in charge, John Royce, and 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.800 he's like, yeah, all good, all good. You know, arrested 0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.080 eight transpot at eleven thirty, but that's three and a 0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.960 half hours. Is that normal? And he goes listen, sometimes 0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.719 it gets crazy here. Maybe he resisted arrest. I think 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.440 he assaulted one of my guys. So they're like, who 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:14.840 did he assault? So we get a name. It's Luke Edmonds. 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:17.560 He's out the rest of the week for the injuries 0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:18.800 that this man caused him. 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:19.600 Oh my god. 0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:23.160 So now we are like, okay, so we have Edmunds 0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:26.520 injured by this dude and he's off work. So now 0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.920 let's talk to the arresting officers. The two guys. So 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:32.640 there's straight up cops. He says, Grant is a rookie 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.600 and Cooper gets the job done, which in cop talk 0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.800 means a little rough around the edges. So Cooper and 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:41.840 Grant are on the streets working and they it's drizzling, 0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.960 and it's pretty boy. I mean, McGrath looks fucking hot. 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:47.320 I mean, and I get that he's like a good 0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:50.080 looking man at his own right and everything like that, 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:54.880 but fuck, does he look good in this season an episode? Yeah, 0:33:54.960 --> 0:34:00.440 McGrath is Cooper. Yeah, So Terry Serpico is McGrath. Also 0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.240 in a ton of other episodes. He's like in A 0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:06.400 season six, a season fifteen, he's really done it all 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:09.680 but I and A season one, but I was like, 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:15.040 I was hot for teacher, for beat up, I was 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.759 hot for homicide. 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:20.839 But yeah, so and then the other guy no one 0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:21.560 cares about him. 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:25.879 So but also Terry Sipercos starts like truly going down 0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:29.279 on this coffee lid. He is licking this coffee cup 0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:33.000 like you can't imagine. And the rookie is like, they've 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:35.920 arrested this dead guy like four times this month alone, 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:39.239 like you know, he keeps getting off and Benson goes, well, 0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.880 that's frustrating, So did you take him out or what? Like, 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:44.239 are you mad enough for that? He goes, we did 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.360 everything up by the book. They showed up at a 0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:50.239 street brawl and he was a part of it, and 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.040 so they said that he swung at Edmunds, so they 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.520 had to arrest him. The call came in at seven, 0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:59.080 the booking at eight. Everything quick, there's no hitting. They go, 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.240 we went to the club and there was a street 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.319 barrel happening outside. What do you want us to do? 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:07.359 So we gotta, you know, check the story. So they 0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:09.480 go chat to the bartender and this is actually a 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:13.360 really cool, beautiful bar where he says that, like, it 0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.080 doesn't matter if the Mexicans and Dominicans all hate each other. 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.479 Even gangsters need a safe place to take a date. 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.359 So this is like a date spot that they put 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:27.120 down their knives and swords and focus on romance. And 0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:31.560 I love that. So Carlos Torres, he knows him. He 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:33.680 was here with his girl and he remembers because they 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.759 were celebrating his girl was pregnant, and he says that 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.560 Carlos did not go outside until the uniforms came inside 0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.440 and got him. So that's a conflicting story. And they 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.200 said that it was before the street fight. So now 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.480 we're back at the office chatting with Cooper and Grant 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:51.200 and they're like listen, you obviously had reason to hurt him, 0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.040 like the stories don't match. You went and got him, 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:55.480 like why like, why not just rough him up? Like 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.400 let's say you hate him? Why full ratee murder? And 0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:00.799 Benson is like, it's you know, maybe it just went 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:03.799 too far and you know it took it went on 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.000 a nasty turn. How do you say, what's that saying 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:10.080 took a nasty turn? Yeah, that makes sense. And now 0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:11.400 they have to cover for each other. 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:13.440 Oh my god. I was called in for jury duty but. 0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:18.080 In Chicago, but I'm on the road, so they're switching 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.920 it and it'll be within another three months. And I 0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:23.759 do wonder if if I'm going to be able to 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.000 do it. I really want to. You're going to go 0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:28.760 to Chicago and new jury duty? What if you get picked? 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:32.440 I mean, I have a home to stay and I'd 0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:35.120 like to be a part of the criminal justice system, 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:36.799 but it would have. 0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:38.240 To definitely work with my road schedule. 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:40.040 But there's no fucking way anyone would keep me on 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.959 a jury Yeah, there's no way. 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:45.520 I believe in justice too much. They don't like that. 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.080 I think even having this podcast, they'd say no, oh 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:51.000 for sure, Yeah, yeah, they don't. They don't want me. 0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:57.080 I have opinions like, okay, but we're back. Nasty turn. 0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:59.080 Took a nasty turn, and now they have to cover 0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:02.640 for each other. So Benson's like, listen, they didn't have 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:05.000 time before the arrest or even during, but I think 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:08.000 they called Edmunds in to like help out. So it 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:11.200 happened at the precinct, and the duty log does say 0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:13.279 that Edmunds was at the hospital at eight pm for 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.560 a busted head. So did he go back to teach 0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.319 him a lesson or did he go home? So like, 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:20.239 let's figure out what the vibe is at the two 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.399 nine and like, let's get CSU in there. 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:29.239 The sector car. I think it's their car, so you. 0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:31.560 Know, they're like, let's get CSU down there, we'll search 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.799 the car, we'll do interrogation room, the bathroom's like, let's 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.400 get shit going. And then Benson now is with a 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:40.439 bruised face Edmunds and he goes, I need my rep 0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:41.960 here if you're trying to put this on me, and 0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:44.719 she goes, no, I just need your account and he's like, 0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:48.040 he goes, it's in the six to one detective and 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.359 she's like really, and he goes, don't fucking play games 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.840 with me. I do this for a living, and she goes, exactly, 0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:54.680 that's why I don't understand why you're giving me a 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.600 hard time, and he goes, my bad, I'm sorry. I'm 0:37:57.640 --> 0:37:59.680 still in pain and I did not mean to snap. 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.520 We love an apologetic guy. And so she asks what 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.160 he thinks happened, and he answers that he got corn 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:10.759 holes in the tombs. I don't like that. What is that? 0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:16.319 I think it's rape in the butt. Yeah, but I 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:18.239 don't know why the game is called cornhole. Honestly, I 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.960 don't think corn holes should be talked about. I think 0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:27.040 it should be banned. We should legalize. Yeah, you can't 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:28.920 say we hate it. 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:29.440 Okay. 0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:32.040 I love playing cornhole, though, I mean I'd be fine 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:33.279 for the game to be a different name. 0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:36.480 Yeah, why can't it be called bags, bags and boards? 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:38.080 I want to play bags and boards. 0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:49.320 Yeah, wooden hole. That sound like that better? Oh my god. Okay, 0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:50.720 so we're in the two Benson. 0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:54.000 It's like, oh, well, we didn't release the info about 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.680 the cornholing, so how did you know that's how he died? 0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.239 And he's like, come on, cops, gossip, you know that 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:01.720 and she's like, well, they didn't tell you the whole story, 0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:06.160 so it happened here, not at the tombs. And he goes, well, 0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:08.319 I can't explain that to you because I was hurt 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:10.760 and I went to the hospital. But he was released 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.080 at eight forty five, and it says that he went home, 0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:16.680 but Benson goes, no, the desk sergeant said you came 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:18.279 back here, and he goes, yeah, so I stopped at 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:20.680 my locker, Like what the fuck I went home. Finn 0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:22.680 opens the door and Benson walks out with him, but 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:26.359 tells Edmunds to call his PBA rep because he needs 0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.320 them because it's a black light party, all right. Trail 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:33.080 of blood all over the stalls on the mop broom. 0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:37.400 It's messy, it's glowing. The murder weapons found is blood everywhere. 0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:39.960 So and it's like, you guys are cops and you 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.040 don't know how to clean off the blood, Like it's 0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:43.280 so fucking crazy. 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.320 Yeah, wait till you hear the real story. 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:50.080 Oh no, So the guy from the two nine comes in. 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:52.160 You know, he's bald, and I don't know why I 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:55.880 keep saying that. Okay, So he's talking to Creagan and 0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:58.279 he says that Edmunds gave a confession and he wants 0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:00.560 to deal. Finn goes, well, what if the people want 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.200 more aka you know, the das and stuff, and he goes, listen, 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.480 the brass wants it quick and quiet, so let's get 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.160 it happening. And Benson's mad because it's like, no, there 0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:10.480 was a Complienxes, we know there was a Complienxes, like 0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:12.799 we have to figure that out. He goes, it doesn't matter. 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.399 Edmunds is confessing. He says he didn't have any help. 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.879 He just wants leniency and he's gonna confess. But Finn 0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.680 and Benson are riled up and they want truth and justice. 0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.719 They don't want these little deals. So Craigan says, we 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:28.000 make deals with purps all the fucking time. Benson makes 0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:30.840 a good point cops should be held to a higher standard, 0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.040 and this guy had no what a what a what 0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:34.520 a way? 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:35.160 What is it? 0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:39.040 What an idea? Yeah, a novel, idea, an idea? 0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:42.600 This guy has no time and goes, it's done already 0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:45.000 and the DA has been notified, so shut the fuck up. 0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:47.080 So Benson walks out of the room and we're in 0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:50.680 cement room bars. Edmunds is looking down and he's pretty sad. 0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:53.600 We hear Cabot's voice while the camera stays on this 0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:57.160 sad man, and she wants murder too, and twenty five 0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.799 to life. The lawyer's like, okay, that's not like a 0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:03.240 and also a dead gang banger who gives a fuck. 0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:05.600 And the lawyer's like, you know, a jury will be 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:09.040 on my client's side. He wants man to eight to twelve. 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.799 She goes murder two, twelve to twenty five. He does 0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:15.600 not think this is reasonable. Cabot says, he sodomized someone 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:20.040 so hard they died. I want double digits. So they 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:22.840 agreed a man to ten to twenty. I think his 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:27.360 lawyers should have asked for ten to fifteen because she 0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:31.360 just said double digits. I don't know, I think whatever. 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:33.239 I don't know what the spread has to be. I 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:35.000 don't know how they even figure this out. Eight to 0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:37.040 twelve is so different than twelve to twenty five, which 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:38.560 is different than ten to twenty. I don't know how 0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:42.960 they even figure these spreads out. But and I'm here, 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.440 I think it should be ten to fifteen. No, he 0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:49.239 should serve. So he did murder a man, he's a cop. Well, 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:51.480 you know, I get it. Yeah, okay, so it's just 0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:54.560 not that good of a deal. So she agrees. Craigan 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:56.600 and Benson are waiting for her in the spy window 0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:59.719 area and Craigan doesn't like it. She goes, yeah, no, 0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.160 one fucking likes it, but our bosses wanted to go 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:02.600 this way. 0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:03.399 It is what it is. 0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:06.359 Benson just knows Edmunds didn't do it alone, but there 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.279 is no evidence, and she's like, Torres was a homophobic 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:13.200 gang banger, he would have been kicking and fighting for this, okay, 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.480 Like if you weren't a homo, I think I'd be 0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.759 fighting off getting raped even if I wasn't a homophobic 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:20.400 gang banger. 0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:22.960 Yeah, it doesn't make sense. 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:27.000 He really didn't want it, like gay people want to 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:27.959 get raped. 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:29.680 Like psychotic Benson. 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.560 I get what she's trying to say, though, So she 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:35.520 is convinced that people had to hold him down and 0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:37.880 whoever held him down is gonna walk and Kevic goes, well, 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:39.319 let me know it when you figure it out, and 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:42.120 I'll take the deal away and she walks off. Craigan 0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:45.920 tells Benson that officially the case is closed. She asks 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:49.480 unofficially he goes work fast and stay under the radar, 0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:52.680 So we got a boy band. Swoop short Benson hairdoo 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:56.040 off to the races. She goes straight to Melinda and 0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:59.640 she confirms Benson's hypothesis. He's got bruising on both his 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.319 hands and knees and the tile mosaic prints are from 0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:05.640 the precincts bathroom on his body. There's a bruise across 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:09.280 his shoulder as well, holding him. So let's start dumping 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.080 the phones. What do we get? Fifty five calls between 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:16.719 Edmunds and Cooper in three days. That's a lot. Yeah, uh, 0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:22.440 fifty that's crazy. Actually, yeah, it's a lot of fucking calls. 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:25.080 So Craigan is worried if one PP finds out about 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:27.120 any of this, they'll shut it down, and Benson Infant 0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:30.239 are worried because Benson and Finn are like, no, we know, 0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.799 we still need more evidence anyways, Like we can't even 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:34.960 use the DNA that we find because it could be 0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:38.600 chalked up to like normal arrest contact. So they have 0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:41.759 to keep digging into Edmund's life. So Finn mentions Stephanie 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:44.520 Grayson there is a lot of calls in the log 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:46.759 to her as well, so they go visit steph it's 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:48.759 Amy Landecker, our friend rind of the. 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:52.760 Pot, what our close friend, Amy Landerger. 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:56.040 I love her, we loved her, we loved talking to her, 0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.960 an inspiration and she knows he's been arrested, but does 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:03.560 don't really know for what. And they ask how long 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:06.880 she's known each other, and she explained, since his brother odd, 0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:11.879 is that a foreshadow? Okay, so whatever, never mind? Since 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.120 his brother odied, she's a nurse and she was there 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.640 on the case. He took the death really hard, you know, 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:20.160 his parents were dead and he basically raised his brother. 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:22.719 And then they pivot and they ask if like he 0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:24.759 could be taking the heat for somebody and maybe he 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.680 didn't do something, and she looks guilty as hell and 0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:31.080 just SIPs her coffee and walks away. Knowingly, Benson threatens 0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.160 to take her downtown. So Amy sits down Amy Landecker, 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:36.279 and she goes, what's it about this drug dealer? Like, 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.040 why do you guys even care? And Benson goes, what 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.400 drug dealer? You're gonna have to be more specific, you know, 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:43.480 So she says Vasquez. And we didn't really hear about Vasquez. 0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:46.320 So basically Edmunds wanted to catch Vesquez because he was 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:48.560 like this piece of shit criminal drug dealer who kept 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:51.680 slipping through the system. And one day, you know, he 0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:54.080 was tailing him. They busted him with a gram. But 0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:55.960 then he pulled out a knife, so Luke had to 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.239 shoot him and it really messed him up. But then 0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:00.919 she goes but then I gave him a different perspective. 0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:04.240 He's a bad guy, a drug dealer. For God's sake, 0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:07.560 Luke was saving someone else's kid brother. And there's tears 0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:10.359 in her eyes. She is so like convicted in this. 0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:13.040 So now Finn and Benson are outside the apartment, the 0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:16.640 leaves are off the trees. It's layfall, Finn or is 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:19.719 it January? I said no, it aired in January. It 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:23.479 aired in January. Yeah, so they did film in the fall. 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:28.719 Finn closes his flip phone, so satisfying, so cool, and 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:30.960 he says, she wasn't lying about the story. 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:33.399 And to me, it's like why would she. 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:35.319 She gave you a lot of information and like told 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:37.520 you that he killed somebody, Like why would she make 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:39.360 that up? It's not like it's making him look better. 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.040 But I think she had the story wrong. So she 0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:44.359 was telling her truth and what she knew. But this 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:50.000 motherfucker wasn't shot, so his throat was slashed. So Vasquez's 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.279 throat was slashed, but he's telling people he shot him. 0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:55.200 So that doesn't really help Edmunds or connect him to 0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:57.759 more dealers. It doesn't really prove a pattern, Like what 0:45:57.800 --> 0:45:59.440 the fuck are we going to do with this case? 0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.440 So Finn goes to Warner to pull matching files and 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:04.960 see if there's any other cases with the same bruising 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:08.840 or m O in any and anyway. Benson says, you know, 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:10.560 I'll meet you. I'll meet you over there. 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:11.400 She didn't. 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.160 She defies everybody and she goes to the two nine 0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:17.520 and we have svu icon playing a white shirt desktop. 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:21.120 His name is Bruce Kirkpatrick. He's in three episodes. He's 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:24.120 the bad guy in season one Stalked and in season 0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:27.520 six Conscience, he's you know, I have a trouble with 0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:33.680 that word. He's a vigilancy. He's a vigilante and she 0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:36.040 wants to look at the duty roster and he gives 0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:38.600 her a hard time, but she schools his ass. He's 0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:42.280 gritting his teeth, but he complies. He's licking his finger 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:44.960 as he's going through the pages. So we figure out 0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:48.000 that when Vasquez was here or brought it whatever. Edmunds 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:50.560 and Cooper were partnered that day. So now we head 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.719 over to Cooper's place and he has a Mercedes, so 0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:57.600 Benson goes, wow, nice ride, had you afford that? And 0:46:57.640 --> 0:47:00.640 then he also has a Corvette in the garage. He 0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.000 says he has nothing to say about Edmunds. You know, 0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:05.680 Edwind said he's guilty's he pled out, like, what do 0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:08.080 you want? And Benson goes, I don't know, like a 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:11.359 twenty year sentence might make someone change their mind. Maybe 0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:13.920 they'll say something different, you know, maybe you can tell 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:17.120 me something about Vasquez's throping slit and not just shot. 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:19.919 He goes, I don't know street revenge, Like I don't 0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:20.400 fucking know. 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:22.880 And so they go, oh, so this girl just like 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:25.880 lied about this hero story and he goes, no, that 0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:28.960 woman is a badge bunny. I'm sure she played it 0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:31.480 all up in her mind, building him up so she 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:32.720 could fuck a hero cop. 0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:34.200 And I love. 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:37.160 I mean, I've never heard badge bunny before. That's gonna 0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:40.120 this episode I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be a badge 0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:41.800 bunny for Halloween next year. 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:45.600 In New York City. You're like, I'm a girl that 0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.480 likes to fuck cops. Well, i'll wear I'll dress up. 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:54.200 I'll just dress as a bunny and with a badge. Okay, yeah, 0:47:54.280 --> 0:48:00.279 yeah that's it. Those will get it, get it that. 0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:02.520 It was fun. Yeah, I like dress. Yeah, I'm gonna 0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:04.759 be a badge bunny. Maybe maybe I'll find one more 0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:09.640 Halloween opportunity. I bought too many costumes this year, so whatever. 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:11.960 So he's like that she's a whore. She played it 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:14.440 up in her mind. I don't know what she's talking about, like, 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:18.360 leave me alone, and he goes, you know what I'm saying, 0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:20.040 and she leans and closed to him and says, if 0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:22.319 I find out that you're a murdering bastard, I'm gonna 0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:23.200 nail your ass. 0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:24.240 You know what I'm saying. 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:27.439 Finn is waiting for Benson to return, and he is like, dude, 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:28.719 you went over to the two nine. 0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:29.560 And he's mad that. 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:32.120 You know, she wasn't honest with him, but she was like, 0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:34.440 I was just trying to protect you because I'm going 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:36.600 to get in trouble. And then he lets her know 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.200 that a detective from fraud is waiting for her, so 0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:41.399 she goes, yeah, you know he's living above his means. 0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:43.520 We got to figure it out, and let's see if 0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:46.600 Edmunds did too. But Edmund's no bank role. He lives 0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:50.800 super frugal, little savings, no assets. He's poor. Cooper's wild, 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.640 but all his assets are under his wife's name. But 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:56.440 he has a property in Boca, He's got cars, he 0:48:56.520 --> 0:49:00.480 has other real estate holdings. But you know, he's honest 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:04.719 quote unquote on his tax returns because he says, you know, 0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:07.360 they write it off his gambling and so he pays 0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:10.239 his taxes on these like gambling wins. So now they're 0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:12.879 going to try to call all the casinos and see 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:14.719 if it's even possible to win all that money in 0:49:14.760 --> 0:49:16.520 Atlantic City and how they were able to do that. 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:18.080 But they are on a time crunch. 0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:21.920 Edmunds is supposed to allocute in two days, so Cooper 0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:25.880 is free. Edmunds is taking the fall. Why Why so 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:28.880 Benson thinks Edmunds didn't know what Cooper maybe was up to, 0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:31.600 like he was doing it because his brother was an 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:35.600 addict and maybe didn't realize that Cooper was getting paid. 0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:38.240 Or do we mean that no or yeah? 0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.120 Or that Cooper was doing this for money and that's 0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:41.960 how he was able to like afford all these things. 0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:45.640 So the finance fraud guy, I asked Benson, like, what 0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.319 do you think is up? And she says, well, I 0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:51.239 think he's getting paid for dead bodies. And Cabot comes in, 0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:55.200 She's pissed. What couldn't wait till tomorrow morning? And she says, 0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:58.719 I need a wire tap on Cooper And you know, 0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:00.920 we think he's getting paid money to killed drug dealers. 0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:03.320 And Edmund's brother was killed by drugs, so it's personal, 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:05.840 but Cooper all about the cash. And they repeat this 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:08.200 over and over and over again. So Cabot's like, bitch, 0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:10.600 if I'm waking up a judge, I need solid evidence. 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:12.959 You know, you're like you're in a crusade. 0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:15.600 And he and she goes, he's a murderer, fuck him, 0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:19.680 And you know, her passion does convince Cabot. So we're 0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:22.640 gonna so we're gonna get some more. We're gonna put 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:25.600 We're gonna put more into this case. Werner found five 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:29.239 victims that correspond with the bruising signatures. One was a 0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:31.439 knife thing, one was beaten to death, one was kicked 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:34.600 to death, and three gunshots. But the common denominator is 0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:37.160 this deep bruising at the throat and they were all 0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:39.800 drug dealers and they were all from the two nine precincts. 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:42.799 So now we're in Cabot's nice ass office. Oh my god, 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:44.279 car I didn't tell you. I was at a bar 0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:46.759 or a restaurant. I was at a chop house. But 0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:50.200 the each booth you sat at had your own green 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:54.080 library lamp Ooh the Tiffany style one. Well Tiffany is 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:57.479 crystally thought. Oh that's different. Oh the green library one. Yes, 0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:00.440 I know it turned out, Yes, it was different. Yeah, 0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:01.240 you dumb bitch. 0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:04.160 My dad had one of those green library lands when 0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:05.839 I was growing up on his desk. 0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:07.120 That's cool. Yeah. 0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:10.359 So we're at the office. Oh god, we need more. 0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:12.680 We need more, we need more evidence. We need Cooper. 0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:16.720 There's no evidence, we need Edmunds. Is he going to renegotiate. 0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:18.680 Let's go to the prison. So we go to the prison. 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:21.279 He's in an orange jumpsuit. They show him photos of 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.840 other crime scenes and what's going on, and he's like, 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:26.560 I just wanted to get my brother's dealer. And they're like, well, 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:28.960 why didn't you stop? He goes cuz fuck these guys, 0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:31.560 they get great lawyers. They get off. There's no justice. 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:34.840 Finn goes, if you're doing it for profit, that's not justice, 0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.560 and he's confused what profit, And they reveal that Cooper's 0:51:38.600 --> 0:51:42.200 making money. He's shocked. He doesn't believe it. Cabot's like, bro, 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:45.880 you're down for six counts murder for higher like, no 0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:49.279 parole there. He says, I didn't do it. I made 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:52.359 no money. I was just cleaning up the streets. And 0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:55.400 he was like, you know, it wasn't just murder for me, 0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:58.040 it was a reckoning. I wanted them off the streets. 0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:00.680 Benson goes, okay, well tell us exactly what went down. 0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:04.080 He says he can't. Benson's like, your partner, your ex 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:06.560 partner's a dirty cop. You're not, so like, get the 0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:08.520 If you want the needle off the table, you need 0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:11.799 to help us. The way they wheeled the needle, they 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:15.560 really threatened the needle. So what Cabot need is She goes, 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:17.560 you know, if we have like a live victim, that 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:20.720 would be great to corroborate. So there is one Willy Angels, 0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:23.000 he's twenty if he's serving twenty five in sting sing, 0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:25.719 Cooper shot him. He didn't die, but he is in 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:29.279 a wheelchair now and in prison, and but like, so 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:32.719 basically he shot him. They planted a drop gun on 0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:36.960 him to like, you know, explain why that they shot him, 0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:39.759 and they testified that Willy shot at them, and the 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:42.439 jury didn't even blink and that was that. So now 0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:45.120 Benson and Finn kind of don't agree with what needs 0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:48.600 to happen, because Benson's like, we need to get Willy 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:50.719 out of there, like he's serving more time than he's 0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:52.480 supposed to, and Finn goes, leave him there. We don't 0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:55.360 need these fuck boys getting out of jail like this. 0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:58.439 This is annoying. But like Cabot and Benson are like, yeah, 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:01.680 but he admitted, admitted, admitted to making things up, and 0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:04.720 he goes, ah, your heart is bleeding all over my shoe, 0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:05.960 and I like that. 0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:10.000 We have to remember that that Finn comes from narcotics, 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.840 so he's seen like all the shit that drug dealers 0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:16.920 you know, do, and how they what like they're like 0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:19.200 he has a personal I think side to this, I know, 0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:21.680 but he also grew up in the neighborhoods where he 0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:24.600 knows some people don't have that choice or like the future, 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:26.960 so like they're not just to be like, these are 0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:29.120 scum of the earth, let's clean up the streets. Is 0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:32.479 kind of crazy too. Yeah, it's with season four Finn. 0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:34.640 He has not had his evolution yet. Yeah, but they 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:37.359 go to sing Sing, They go to sing Sing Will. 0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:40.080 He talks. He is lifting weights in the wheelchair. He's 0:53:40.120 --> 0:53:40.760 keeping busy. 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:44.200 He says, the cops fucked him up and they want 0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:46.279 to know details, and he goes, fuck you, I hate you. 0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:48.160 I hate all of you. And Finn goes, well, whatever, 0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:49.919 you're nothing but a drug dealer. I don't give a shit. 0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:52.640 He goes, well, I'm not anymore. I'm in jail and 0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:56.000 I'm in a wheelchair, so okay, But they show him 0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:57.759 the photos of all the cops and he points to 0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:00.800 the right cops, you know. He points to Vincent Cooper. 0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:03.600 So he's like, am I going to get out of here? 0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:05.120 And they go yeah. He goes, well, I'm going to 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:07.760 sue the fucking city and he wheels off and Finn 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:09.680 is grossed out, and then we cut to Edmonds in 0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:11.759 the dark and he's pissed. He's like, you're gonna let 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:15.000 that low life back on the street. Benson goes yeah, 0:54:15.080 --> 0:54:17.439 and he calls him scum and Benson goes, he still 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:19.520 doesn't deserve what you did to him, Like, why don't 0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:23.040 you understand that? And so now we find out why 0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:25.239 he owes Cooper so much. A couple of years ago, 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:27.839 they were answering a domestic and he walked in. He 0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:30.040 never saw the gun, and Cooper jumped in and took 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:32.720 the like the bullet. Oh no, he took the thirty 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:35.160 eight out of his hands. So now he's paying him 0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:37.920 back by killing people. So Cooper saved his life, so 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:41.680 now he's indebted to him for forever. But it's like, yeah, 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:44.200 but he's doing this for cars and condos and he's 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:48.279 using you, like get it together. Dramatic music's in the background, 0:54:48.400 --> 0:54:51.760 and she's finally convinced him to testify against Cooper. 0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:53.000 He doesn't want to. 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:56.239 She's like, fuck the blue wall, and you know, he 0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:58.600 does not have the same loyalty to you as you 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.399 do to him. He used you, he used your dead brother. 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:04.360 He doesn't give a damn about you. When are you 0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:06.839 gonna have the balls to face that. He's looking down, 0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:10.080 he's saying nothing. And now we cut to Benson getting 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:13.080 chewed out by Kragan because she defied a direct order 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:16.239 and she's gonna get ten days of doced pay. But 0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:18.520 it's not like these people, Like what does Benson even 0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:21.400 spend money on? Like her savings must be huge. The 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:24.000 bitch's not going out to dinner. She's not going out. 0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:27.880 She's not having it like I don't I don't think 0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:32.080 she's had haircut, haircuts and colors, bolliage. You know, she's 0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:36.759 paying for some but and she randomly knows every Prada Laparola, 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:39.680 like every designer thing. So she's reading Vogue, I guess, 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:42.319 but she's not actually buying any of that stuff. No, 0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:44.560 you're so right. I forgot about the hair. You know 0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:48.560 she's spent she's dropping hundreds on her hair. But also 0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:50.799 Craigan is mad because now all these drug dealers are 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:53.399 trying to get out of prison, like so anyone that's 0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:56.840 been busted by these two cops are now like trying 0:55:56.840 --> 0:55:59.279 to reverse the charges and so guilty or not, all 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:02.400 these people are gonna led the streets. And Benson goes, sure, 0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:05.319 but these are dirty cops, and he goes, but you 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:08.240 should have kept me in the loop. We've been blindsided 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:11.480 by press scrutiny. Like fuck the press. I love how 0:56:11.520 --> 0:56:13.319 on the show the cops care about press so much, 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:14.439 like so fucking much. 0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:16.919 I want to know what real life cops, if they care. 0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:18.600 Or not in New York, I don't know. I don't 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:20.239 think anybody wants to end up like on the front 0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:21.120 page of the post. 0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:24.759 You know, yeah, Benson says, you know, I did the 0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:27.279 right thing. Craigan says, pick up Cooper. Let's get the 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:30.319 bastard off the streets. So Benson and Fino get him. 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:33.239 They rest him first degree murder. His partner tries to 0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:35.920 run up, and Finn goes, relax, rookie, and get a 0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:39.680 lawyer while you're at it. So Cooper gets Trevor Langham 0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:43.359 as his lawyer, Mister mushco Hargate, the personal. 0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:44.960 Laundry person, laundry spokesman. 0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:49.120 Thank you, but the deal's tough life sentence in exchange 0:56:49.120 --> 0:56:50.200 for the man you were working for. 0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:51.799 He goes, I can't do that. I'd be dead. 0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:54.600 She says, your cooperation is the only thing that stands 0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:56.920 between you and the needle, and he wants to take 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.800 his chance with the jury. Benson goes, that's so stupid. 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.800 But Trevor's like, well, you know, ex partner and a 0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:06.919 drug dealer, cool witnesses, Cool witnesses, You got there, capit goes, 0:57:07.080 --> 0:57:10.440 Edmunds gets life, You get life with no parole. He goes, Edmunds, 0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:13.759 that gullible fool, but whatever, he agrees to the deal. 0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:15.560 He gets a yellow note pad and writes down a 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:18.560 name and who is it? At Hector as Hector, the 0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:20.680 cocky guy we met up top, who is biting his lip. 0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:23.640 Smart move, Benson says to him, get rid of the competition, 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:25.640 avoid a war by getting a cop to do your 0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:28.600 dirty work. He says, this business is cutthroat. You gotta 0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:31.120 know what you're getting into. She says, well, this is 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:34.320 one execution I'm going to attend. He's like, stop acting 0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:37.200 like a hero. Death Row is just geography. And for me, mommy, 0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:39.360 she says, you're going to be crying like a baby 0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:41.840 when you take that last walk. He says, what in 0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:44.160 ten to fifteen years, A lot can happen between now 0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:47.200 and then. Witnesses get amnesia, people up and die. 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.240 You never know. Benson's phone rings. Damn it. 0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:52.920 She leaves. He scoffs, We're in another jail. At the 0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:55.080 end of the walk is Edmunds hanging in his cell 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:58.920 sheets suicide, no note. He just couldn't take it facing 0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:01.640 what he did and leaves, you know, walking after a 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:04.200 good work done. I hope she gets some wine and 0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:06.240 you know, dick down for the night and that's dick 0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:06.880 old baby. 0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:09.600 Yeah. 0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:12.040 I mean she leaves, but like I would still have 0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:19.840 sex with Cooper in the Corvette so hot, what a stud. 0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:20.520 Yeah. 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:24.040 I just like I feel like she's bummed at the 0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:25.720 end though, because it's like you can still do all 0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:27.800 this work and like that guy's right, Like if you 0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:29.280 if you're on death row for a long time and 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:31.160 you have a lot of power, like a lot can happen, 0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:33.480 Like this guy could get away with everything. But at 0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:36.439 least she got some dirty cops off the street. That's 0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:39.200 the thing. It's like these cops, if they have any 0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:41.840 sense of justice, it's like if you get busted doing 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:45.320 even one bad thing, all your cases come into question. 0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:48.840 This is what happened in the staircase case, like you 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:51.880 know everything, I actually don't know that one very well. 0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:56.640 The prosecutor was disbarred. The blood spatter analysis guy was uh, 0:58:57.800 --> 0:59:00.760 like you know, lost his license, like ever so many 0:59:00.760 --> 0:59:03.800 people in that case. It turned out like we're doing 0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:06.680 shitty work and then it calls all their other cases 0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:07.360 into question. 0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:08.000 You know. 0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:10.440 So I don't know. 0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:12.439 I don't know if like in that case a bunch 0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:15.720 of other cases ended up getting dismissed or whatever. But 0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:20.360 that does, especially with cops. That's bad news, man. 0:59:20.760 --> 0:59:21.200 Yeah. 0:59:21.240 --> 0:59:24.600 But anyway, let's get into the real story. Oh, I'm scared. 0:59:32.080 --> 0:59:34.680 There's two cases. There's two cases, okay. So the first 0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:40.360 case is Abner Louima who August ninth, nineteen ninety seven, 0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:47.040 officers from NYPD's seventieth Precinct, or the seven zero, responded 0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:50.320 to reports of a fight at Club Rendezvous in East Flatbush, 0:59:50.320 --> 0:59:53.640 which is a neighborhood in Brooklyn. Uh Abner Louima, a 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:56.480 Haitian American man, and others were outside of the club. 0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:58.880 Louima said he was just there with his brother and 0:59:58.920 --> 1:00:00.600 his cousin and he was like stand, he was not 1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:03.160 part of the fight. He had a completely clean record. 1:00:03.200 --> 1:00:04.640 He had never been in trouble with the police. 1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:05.080 Before. 1:00:05.880 --> 1:00:10.840 Four officers show up justin Voltpi, Charles Schwartz, Thomas Bruder, 1:00:10.960 --> 1:00:15.360 and Thomas Weiss. They arrive at the scene. They start 1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:17.800 saying stuff like why do you people come to this country? 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:20.880 If you can't speak English. They're calling them racial slurs, 1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:24.920 like these are like not good guys, these cops. Louima 1:00:24.960 --> 1:00:27.480 just heard the cops tell someone to shut up. He 1:00:27.520 --> 1:00:30.200 had no idea that anyone was talking to him, and 1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:32.560 then suddenly he was pushed down on the ground and cuffed, 1:00:33.040 --> 1:00:37.680 and Volpi said like, oh no, Louima attacked me, and 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:43.120 the cops arrested Louima for disorderly conduct, obstructing government administration, 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:46.560 and resist cigarest. As they brought him in, they beat 1:00:46.600 --> 1:00:48.720 the shit out of him like in the car, like 1:00:48.880 --> 1:00:52.720 using fists, night sticks, police radios. At the station house, 1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:54.520 he was strip searched and put in a holding cell 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:58.320 until they continued the beating later on. The assault ended 1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:01.360 with Luima being sexually assaulted in the bathroom by the officers, 1:01:01.400 --> 1:01:05.880 exactly like what happened in the episode. Volpi kicked a 1:01:05.920 --> 1:01:09.120 handcuffed Louima in the testicles, and then sodomized him with 1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:12.120 a plunger from the bathroom. Then he jammed it into 1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:14.440 his mouth afterwards and broke a bunch of his teeth. 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:18.360 This is like really graphic. And then after that it's 1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:20.680 like you were saying, like, what are these idiots like 1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:23.640 not know, like to wipe stuff off. This guy paraded 1:01:23.680 --> 1:01:25.840 through the precinct holding the stick up with blood and 1:01:25.880 --> 1:01:28.560 shit on it, going and telling people I took a 1:01:28.600 --> 1:01:34.360 man down tonight. So he just like was walking around 1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:36.760 showing like I saw other reports where he was like 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:39.240 smell this, smell this, like there was no hiding it. 1:01:39.320 --> 1:01:41.360 He was like walking around parading to the weaponry. 1:01:41.440 --> 1:01:41.880 Crazy. 1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:45.560 So there was another officer in the bathroom helping with 1:01:45.640 --> 1:01:48.920 the attack, but Luima could not identify which one, and 1:01:49.160 --> 1:01:51.600 this is like a point of contention later in the trial. 1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:55.200 But when they called the ambulance, the cop told Louima, 1:01:55.400 --> 1:01:57.520 if you ever tell anyone, I will kill you and 1:01:57.600 --> 1:02:00.200 your entire family. So he threatens him. So they take 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:03.160 him to the emergency room department at Coney Island Hospital, 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:05.880 and the officers brought him in said that his injuries 1:02:05.920 --> 1:02:09.200 were from quote abnormal homosexual activities end quote. This is 1:02:09.240 --> 1:02:11.680 a man who is married with two children. By the way, 1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:14.200 not that he couldn't be having homosexual sex, but we 1:02:14.240 --> 1:02:16.680 know that that's not what this came from. And so 1:02:16.800 --> 1:02:21.560 thank god, a nurse named Maggalie Laurent could tell that 1:02:21.640 --> 1:02:24.440 his injuries were not consistent with consensual sex, and she 1:02:24.560 --> 1:02:28.320 contacted Louisa's family and iab to tell them that she 1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:31.120 suspected he was raped and assaulted while in police custody. 1:02:32.160 --> 1:02:36.200 Louisa spent two months in the hospital. He had serious 1:02:36.280 --> 1:02:38.640 damage to his colon, but he did not die like 1:02:38.680 --> 1:02:41.960 in the episode. He survived. He had serious damage to 1:02:42.000 --> 1:02:46.000 his colon and a punctured bladder and intestinal tears. He 1:02:46.080 --> 1:02:50.040 underwent three surgeries for his injuries. And when this hit 1:02:50.040 --> 1:02:54.360 the news, it went national. People were outraged and like 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:58.000 on August twenty ninth, which is, you know, about three 1:02:58.000 --> 1:03:01.959 weeks after this event happened, seven thousand, more than seven 1:03:02.000 --> 1:03:04.640 thousand people marched to City Hall and to the seventieth 1:03:04.680 --> 1:03:07.880 precinct where the assault happened, and the precinct was quickly 1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:12.560 named the Plunger Precinct. And this protest was called Day 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:19.440 of Outrage against Police brutality and harassment. So Brian Figuerot, 1:03:19.800 --> 1:03:23.280 a former ADA and one of Louima's lawyers, said, quote, 1:03:23.280 --> 1:03:25.640 this is not a corruption case, this is a torture case. 1:03:25.880 --> 1:03:29.560 Cops are going to jail end quote. So Volpi was 1:03:29.640 --> 1:03:32.600 charged with several counts in Federal Court of violating Willima's 1:03:32.600 --> 1:03:36.640 civil rights, obstruction of justice, and making false statements to police. Initially, 1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:39.440 he pled not guilty, but he changed his plea to 1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:40.880 guilty halfway through the trial. 1:03:41.040 --> 1:03:41.640 Smart move. 1:03:42.480 --> 1:03:47.320 When you're parading around the fucking murder like hoopsick tack weapons, 1:03:49.240 --> 1:03:50.320 it's the arrogance. 1:03:50.480 --> 1:03:53.640 It's knowing, you know, the blue gang, the biggest gang 1:03:54.320 --> 1:03:58.000 is gonna back. But it's like to parade the shit stick, 1:03:58.160 --> 1:04:00.160 like to not be a little more care. 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:04.840 Yeah, and he had told people, remember that. 1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:07.080 That he had told people that he had been attacked, 1:04:07.080 --> 1:04:10.040 like he had been hit at the fight when they 1:04:10.080 --> 1:04:12.320 first got there. And he's like, I think I got 1:04:12.400 --> 1:04:13.160 the guy who did it. 1:04:13.280 --> 1:04:15.760 He didn't. It was he admitted finally that Luima was like, 1:04:15.800 --> 1:04:17.480 never the guy who attacked him. This is like a 1:04:17.480 --> 1:04:19.280 guy who was not involved in the fight at all. 1:04:20.480 --> 1:04:22.640 He also confessed to the sodomy, but he said he 1:04:22.680 --> 1:04:24.520 had nothing to do with the damage to his mouth. 1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:27.680 He said he held the stick up to his face, 1:04:27.760 --> 1:04:29.400 but he never put it in his mouth. But it's 1:04:29.440 --> 1:04:32.800 like he had smashed teeth, like he had teeth, like 1:04:33.160 --> 1:04:35.160 his teeth were fucked. So it's like it got in 1:04:35.160 --> 1:04:38.480 his mouth. Somehow, and he also admitted to threatening his 1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:40.720 life and you know if he ever if he talked 1:04:41.120 --> 1:04:44.040 so on December thirteenth of nineteen ninety nine, a couple 1:04:44.080 --> 1:04:46.920 of years later, Volpi is sentenced to thirty years in 1:04:46.920 --> 1:04:49.680 prison without the possibility of parole, as well as a 1:04:49.680 --> 1:04:52.200 five hundred and twenty five dollars fine and restitution in 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:55.280 the amount of two hundred and seventy seven four hundred 1:04:55.320 --> 1:04:59.640 and ninety five dollars, so such a specific amount. On 1:05:00.120 --> 1:05:04.000 in twenty seventh, two thousand, Charles Schwartz was convicted of 1:05:04.040 --> 1:05:06.720 helping Volpe assault Louima in the bathroom, and he was 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:11.400 sentenced to fifteen years. And at the time of Schwartz's conviction, 1:05:11.560 --> 1:05:13.320 a lot of questions were raised about whether he could 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:16.880 receive a fair trial in the highly charged atmosphere, and 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:20.240 Volpi identified that it was Weiss, not Schwartz, as the 1:05:20.240 --> 1:05:23.000 second man in the bathroom in a recorded interview on 1:05:23.240 --> 1:05:26.360 sixty minutes, which was never brought up in at trial. 1:05:27.000 --> 1:05:30.200 So Schwartz's conviction was overturned by the US Court of 1:05:30.240 --> 1:05:32.960 Appeals for the Second Circuit, saying that he did not 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:34.920 get a fair trial due to conflict of interest by 1:05:34.920 --> 1:05:38.080 his attorney, and in two thousand and two, Schwartz pleaded 1:05:38.080 --> 1:05:40.360 guilty to a perjury charge for testifying that he did 1:05:40.400 --> 1:05:43.040 not lead Louima to the bathroom, and he was sentenced 1:05:43.040 --> 1:05:45.360 to five years in prison, and he was released to 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:47.440 a halfway house in February of two thousand and seven, 1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:49.720 and as of twenty nineteen, he works in New York 1:05:49.760 --> 1:05:53.640 City as a carpenter, so he's out there. The other 1:05:53.840 --> 1:05:56.800 three that were brought to trial, which is brewder Weiss 1:05:56.800 --> 1:06:00.280 and Sergeant Michael Blomo, were indicted for trying to cover 1:06:00.400 --> 1:06:03.680 up the assault. On March ninth, two thousand, Weis and 1:06:03.760 --> 1:06:06.280 Bruder were convicted on the charge of conspiracy to obstructive 1:06:06.280 --> 1:06:10.120 federal investigation, but these were reversed on federal appeal in 1:06:10.120 --> 1:06:13.120 two thousand and two for insufficient evidence. BelOMO was found 1:06:13.120 --> 1:06:16.320 not guilty of trying to cover up the beating and 1:06:16.360 --> 1:06:19.360 that of another Haitian immigrant by Vultpi earlier that evening, 1:06:19.480 --> 1:06:24.880 so and Volpi was released from prison. I'm like, what 1:06:24.880 --> 1:06:28.040 happened to? No possibility of parole Like he was sentenced 1:06:28.040 --> 1:06:29.880 in ninety nine, he did twenty four years. He was 1:06:30.000 --> 1:06:33.760 released in April of twenty twenty three, so he got 1:06:33.760 --> 1:06:37.240 out like two years ago, and I don't understand why 1:06:37.280 --> 1:06:39.280 he got like parole so inconsistent. 1:06:39.440 --> 1:06:44.120 I mean, I don't know he served how many twenty years. 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:49.320 Twenty three, twenty four, twenty three years. Yeah, but you 1:06:49.360 --> 1:06:51.720 know what was crazy too, is that Vulpi was like 1:06:51.960 --> 1:06:54.120 everybody was like, he's so racist, Like he did all 1:06:54.120 --> 1:06:56.560 this stuff out of racism. He had a black girlfriend 1:06:56.600 --> 1:06:58.720 at the time who he was engaged to, and she 1:06:58.960 --> 1:07:02.520 was interviewed. Actually this guy who's wrote some articles that 1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:06.480 are in my research named Mike mcali, I mean. 1:07:06.640 --> 1:07:11.200 Racist trumper that's married to a black woman. Yeah, it happens. 1:07:10.720 --> 1:07:12.960 I guess it's not it's not impossible. 1:07:13.000 --> 1:07:17.280 It's just like this guy Mike mclary, who he actually 1:07:17.360 --> 1:07:23.040 passed away, but he wrote these pieces for The Daily 1:07:23.080 --> 1:07:24.920 News and New York Daily News that won a Pulitzer 1:07:25.080 --> 1:07:27.280 based on this case. So I've included some of those 1:07:27.400 --> 1:07:31.320 in my research. But one of them was an interview 1:07:31.320 --> 1:07:33.520 with the girlfriend where she was like, he couldn't have 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:35.880 done this, Like he's not racist, Like he wouldn't have 1:07:35.920 --> 1:07:37.920 said those things, he wouldn't have done these things. Like 1:07:38.680 --> 1:07:41.200 if he does, then our whole life together is a lie, 1:07:41.320 --> 1:07:43.480 like I think obviously I don't think they end up 1:07:43.520 --> 1:07:45.400 together because he goes to jail for twenty four years. 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:50.200 But it was really sad because this woman was like, 1:07:50.320 --> 1:07:52.200 oh my god, who have I been like having this 1:07:52.400 --> 1:07:57.240 life with like So anyway, in a tiny touch of 1:07:57.280 --> 1:08:00.240 silver lining, Abner Louima did settle with the city eight 1:08:00.240 --> 1:08:03.160 point seven five million dollars on July thirtieth of two 1:08:03.160 --> 1:08:05.360 thousand and one, which was the which is the largest 1:08:05.440 --> 1:08:08.200 police brutality settlement in New York City history. I don't 1:08:08.200 --> 1:08:09.560 know if that's still true, but that was true at 1:08:09.600 --> 1:08:12.320 the time. So after his legal fees, he walked with 1:08:12.320 --> 1:08:15.680 about five point eight million. And he's participated in a 1:08:15.720 --> 1:08:18.919 lot of anti police brutality protests with Al Sharpton, notably 1:08:19.320 --> 1:08:21.799 after Sean Bell was killed in November of two thousand 1:08:21.800 --> 1:08:24.720 and six, which was a big one because that was 1:08:24.760 --> 1:08:26.400 like the night of his wedding or the night before 1:08:26.439 --> 1:08:30.080 his wedding, I think. And he also did was at 1:08:30.080 --> 1:08:33.800 a protest that celebrated ten years not celebrated, but you know, 1:08:34.479 --> 1:08:36.920 highlighted ten years anniversary of his attack. 1:08:37.400 --> 1:08:40.360 So he's I hope he's spent the money smart. 1:08:40.439 --> 1:08:42.880 He lives down in Florida now and he's I think 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:46.719 he's got some real estate and he's you know, living 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:51.280 his life. But the next case is wild as well. 1:08:52.280 --> 1:08:56.400 This is the case of Manuel Pardo. So this is 1:08:56.560 --> 1:08:59.559 very interesting. It's based on a case of Manuel Pardo 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:01.880 and then in small part Rolando Garcia as well. But 1:09:01.920 --> 1:09:06.160 I'm going to talk about Manuel first. Manuel Manny Pardo 1:09:06.280 --> 1:09:09.479 Junior was a cop who worked for the Florida Highway 1:09:09.479 --> 1:09:12.120 Patrol in the eighties and then he was fired for 1:09:12.200 --> 1:09:15.200 faking parking tickets. Then he was hired by the Sweetwater 1:09:15.240 --> 1:09:18.639 Police Department, which is in Miami Dade County, and he 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:21.519 was eventually fired from that job as well in nineteen 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:24.200 eighty five for lying under oath during a drug smuggling 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:27.320 trial involving a fellow officer. So I feel like the 1:09:27.360 --> 1:09:30.040 eighties were like the golden age of like dirty cops 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:34.200 and drugs and all this shit. So after he gets 1:09:34.240 --> 1:09:36.439 fired from you know, his second law enforcement job, he 1:09:36.600 --> 1:09:39.000 gets involved in the drug trade and then in nineteen 1:09:39.040 --> 1:09:41.879 eighty six, he goes on a ninety two day robbery 1:09:41.920 --> 1:09:45.120 and killing spree, killing six men and three women. In 1:09:45.240 --> 1:09:49.520 January of eighty six, he kills Mario Amador and Roberto Alonzo, 1:09:49.640 --> 1:09:52.360 shooting them dead during a robbery. Later that month, he 1:09:52.439 --> 1:09:56.080 kills Michael Millot or Millo. I don't know how you 1:09:56.080 --> 1:09:59.560 say this name, who he believes to be a police informant. 1:10:00.080 --> 1:10:03.840 And Millo was a gunsmith and he had actually given 1:10:03.880 --> 1:10:09.559 Pardo silencers for his guns, and uh no, like he 1:10:09.680 --> 1:10:12.559 bought them from him. I don't think there were pals. 1:10:13.280 --> 1:10:17.240 And then Pardo's partos old partner from when he was 1:10:17.280 --> 1:10:21.640 at Sweetwater. His old cop partner was Rolando Garcia, and 1:10:21.680 --> 1:10:26.040 in this case of Michael Millot's murder, Garcia lures him 1:10:26.040 --> 1:10:28.280 out to the car where Parto's hiding in the back seat. 1:10:28.360 --> 1:10:31.439 When miller gets in the passenger seat, Parto shoots him 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:34.120 in the head and then gets the car reupholstered. Very 1:10:34.600 --> 1:10:39.519 crime show. So the next month, February of nineteen eighty six, 1:10:40.479 --> 1:10:44.479 Pardo kills Luis Robledo and Upiano Laedo during a robbery 1:10:44.479 --> 1:10:47.840 of their home, and in April. In April of the 1:10:47.880 --> 1:10:51.719 same year, Pardo kills four more people and two separate killings. 1:10:51.760 --> 1:10:55.479 In one it's two women, Ferrick Quintero and Sarah Musa, 1:10:56.160 --> 1:10:59.880 who were killed over an argument about a pond ring 1:11:00.040 --> 1:11:03.360 it was only worth fifty dollars, and allegedly for them 1:11:03.400 --> 1:11:06.200 refusing to buy Parto a VCR was stolen credit cards. 1:11:06.280 --> 1:11:09.280 So this guy is just popping off killing people. Parto 1:11:09.560 --> 1:11:13.599 later claimed that he believed Quintero had marked him for 1:11:13.680 --> 1:11:17.840 death by dialing him number eights on a pager, which 1:11:17.840 --> 1:11:21.160 is a numerical sign for death in Santa Ria, which 1:11:21.200 --> 1:11:26.320 is a religion from Cuba. Sure, but so he's made 1:11:26.360 --> 1:11:30.680 that at like what I know? Like, so you're not 1:11:30.720 --> 1:11:32.880 positive that he's all there if he's killing people based 1:11:32.880 --> 1:11:36.559 on beeper signals, right, Like, I don't know. But then 1:11:36.600 --> 1:11:40.040 the last two murders were Ramon Alvaro and his girlfriend 1:11:40.120 --> 1:11:43.280 Daisy Ricard, who were shot to death because Alvaro had 1:11:43.320 --> 1:11:46.439 failed to show up to several drug deals. So one 1:11:46.479 --> 1:11:48.960 horrible detail is that after he shot Daisy once, his 1:11:49.080 --> 1:11:52.280 gun jammed and then he ended up bludgeoning her to death. 1:11:52.640 --> 1:11:55.599 And in doing the bludgeoning with the gun, the jammed 1:11:55.680 --> 1:11:58.840 round went off and it went into Pardo's foot. So 1:11:58.880 --> 1:12:01.280 that's how they finally got him, is he was caught 1:12:01.280 --> 1:12:04.000 in New York City at a hospital where he'd gone 1:12:04.040 --> 1:12:06.760 to seek treatment for his foot wound. I was, I 1:12:06.800 --> 1:12:11.360 thought all of these murders were happening in Florida, where 1:12:11.360 --> 1:12:13.120 he worked originally, but then they found him at a 1:12:13.200 --> 1:12:16.040 hospital in New York. I don't know, but I was like, 1:12:16.120 --> 1:12:18.280 is this literally where the two term shooting yourself in 1:12:18.280 --> 1:12:20.439 the foot comes from? Like what are you doing? 1:12:20.479 --> 1:12:20.719 Sir? 1:12:20.960 --> 1:12:23.400 Like what an idiot? Like you're murdering someone and you 1:12:23.439 --> 1:12:24.360 shoot yourself in the foot. 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:28.439 But I also like, if you're gonna could be playing 1:12:28.479 --> 1:12:31.200 this life of crime, you better have an underground doctor 1:12:31.200 --> 1:12:32.200 to do your surgeries. 1:12:32.479 --> 1:12:34.680 Yeah, you can't be going to the hospital. 1:12:35.320 --> 1:12:37.000 Yeah, you got to have a doctor you've got under 1:12:37.000 --> 1:12:38.760 your thumb, because you're going to kill his family or. 1:12:38.760 --> 1:12:41.240 Something if if he doesn't do the work together. 1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:45.800 Yeah, yeah, I bet we could teach a class at 1:12:45.800 --> 1:12:49.439 the Learning NX how to get away with crimes, how 1:12:49.479 --> 1:12:49.880 to get. 1:12:49.720 --> 1:12:54.280 Away with murder? Anyway, most of his victims were drug 1:12:54.320 --> 1:12:58.120 dealers or witnesses in drug cases or like of illegal 1:12:58.200 --> 1:13:01.559 drug deals going down, So people that were on the 1:13:01.600 --> 1:13:03.720 fringes of drug Like I don't know if the two 1:13:03.760 --> 1:13:06.000 women were drug dealers, but they were like involved in 1:13:06.080 --> 1:13:09.559 drug you know, activity not that anyone deserves to be murdered, 1:13:09.800 --> 1:13:13.360 but this guy Parto, like he took photos of his victims. 1:13:13.400 --> 1:13:15.960 He wrote about his crimes in his diary, which was 1:13:16.000 --> 1:13:19.680 found eventually along with newspaper clippings. And I just like 1:13:19.720 --> 1:13:21.840 love when these serial killers are like teen girls and 1:13:21.840 --> 1:13:24.240 they have like journals and they're scrap booking, and they're like, 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:28.120 this is like gotta gotta keep a memory. And Parto 1:13:28.560 --> 1:13:31.640 was linked to the final killings because the bullet in 1:13:31.680 --> 1:13:35.160 his foot gunshot matched the bodies, and then they linked 1:13:35.200 --> 1:13:37.840 to other killings using credit cards he had stolen from 1:13:37.840 --> 1:13:41.120 his victims. So also very stupid to use credit cards 1:13:41.120 --> 1:13:42.360 that you've stolen from your victims. 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:45.920 That happens more often than you can imagine. It really 1:13:45.960 --> 1:13:51.280 happens all the time. Yeah, they're always using people's credit cards, 1:13:51.280 --> 1:13:53.280 like thinking they're gonna get I really, it doesn't make 1:13:53.320 --> 1:13:53.840 sense to me. 1:13:54.200 --> 1:13:57.000 It's so nuts, Like take the cash and get out 1:13:57.040 --> 1:13:57.320 of there. 1:13:57.360 --> 1:14:02.200 But when police searched part of home, they discovered his 1:14:02.200 --> 1:14:06.720 collection of Nazi memorabilia, which was a little shocking to 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:08.560 me because I was under the impression, this is his 1:14:08.640 --> 1:14:11.759 name is Manuel Pardo, that he was of some Latino dissent, 1:14:11.840 --> 1:14:16.080 but also like that he practices centaiha and there's a 1:14:16.120 --> 1:14:17.400 mention of Cuban. 1:14:17.080 --> 1:14:18.880 Coffee later that I'll talk about. Like I was just 1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:21.000 like and when you look at him, when you look 1:14:21.000 --> 1:14:22.519 at pictures of him, you're not like, oh, this is 1:14:22.560 --> 1:14:25.400 like a white Aryan man that like loves Nazis, you 1:14:25.479 --> 1:14:27.920 know what I mean. But there's plenty of self hating 1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:31.599 people that are part of white supremacist groups and stuff 1:14:31.640 --> 1:14:34.280 like that all the time. So anyway, he went to 1:14:34.360 --> 1:14:37.400 trial in nineteen eighty eight, and prosecutors presented evidence that 1:14:37.439 --> 1:14:40.880 Pardo was a Nazi sympathizer who loved Hitler, loved his work, 1:14:41.600 --> 1:14:44.879 and despite being portrayed as a racist and anti Semite 1:14:44.880 --> 1:14:48.320 by the prosecution, Pardo steadily claimed that his mission was 1:14:48.360 --> 1:14:50.840 just to rid Florida of its drug culture by killing 1:14:50.880 --> 1:14:55.080 active sellers and buyers of drugs. He admitted to his crimes, 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:57.559 and he said that all nine victims were drug dealers 1:14:57.600 --> 1:14:58.960 who had no right to live and that he was 1:14:59.000 --> 1:15:03.880 doing society at faith at his trial. At his trial, 1:15:03.880 --> 1:15:07.519 he testified in his own defense, which his lawyers advised against, 1:15:07.560 --> 1:15:10.960 saying to jurors, quote I am a soldier. I accomplished 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:12.800 my mission, and I humbly ask you to give me 1:15:12.840 --> 1:15:15.519 the glory of ending my life and and not send 1:15:15.520 --> 1:15:16.920 me to spend the rest of my days in a 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:17.559 state prison. 1:15:18.479 --> 1:15:19.080 End quote. 1:15:19.800 --> 1:15:23.679 So, prosecuting attorney David Waxman said, no, Parter was a Parto, 1:15:23.840 --> 1:15:26.800 was a cold blooded killer, and that in his case 1:15:27.000 --> 1:15:28.640 that he was trying to make was that Parto and 1:15:28.720 --> 1:15:30.600 Garcia were just drug dealers and they were trying to 1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:34.479 get rid of their competitors, which is like a little 1:15:34.520 --> 1:15:36.360 bit of what's happening in the episode too. It's like 1:15:37.439 --> 1:15:39.840 one guy like, I don't know, it seems like maybe 1:15:39.880 --> 1:15:41.599 this was like an after the fact thing. He's like, no, 1:15:41.640 --> 1:15:43.120 I was just trying to clean up the streets. But 1:15:43.160 --> 1:15:46.760 it was like, stop with your crusades, no one wants them. 1:15:46.840 --> 1:15:51.800 Yeah, Like I to think you're the one who it's 1:15:51.960 --> 1:15:54.160 you know, I was about to say it's Joan of 1:15:54.240 --> 1:15:55.920 Arc stuff, but I am team Joan of Arc. 1:15:56.640 --> 1:15:57.360 Yeah. 1:15:57.680 --> 1:16:00.760 So, Pardo was convicted on all nine a first degree 1:16:00.800 --> 1:16:03.080 murder and sentenced to death. Because we are in Florida, 1:16:03.920 --> 1:16:07.360 Garcia was convicted of four counts of first degree murder 1:16:07.360 --> 1:16:09.400 and sent into death as well. But he got a 1:16:09.439 --> 1:16:12.160 new trial in two thousand and two and he pled 1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:14.880 guilty to four counts of second degree murder, got twenty 1:16:14.960 --> 1:16:17.599 five years, got out after twenty in September of two 1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:19.719 thousand and two, and he's probably back on the police 1:16:19.720 --> 1:16:22.240 force in Florida, to be honest, Like it's Florida. He's 1:16:22.240 --> 1:16:28.599 probably a cop right now. Pardo was eventually executed on 1:16:28.640 --> 1:16:30.400 December eleventh, twenty twelve, by. 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:34.400 Legal they'll let him do it if someone's asked. They 1:16:34.439 --> 1:16:37.880 gave him what he wanted, you give him the opposite. Yeah, 1:16:37.920 --> 1:16:40.760 they gave him what he wanted. But he was he 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:43.599 was on death row for twenty four years. During this time, 1:16:43.640 --> 1:16:47.520 he was nicknamed the death row Romeo because he would correspond. 1:16:47.600 --> 1:16:49.479 He would penpal with all these women, and he got 1:16:49.479 --> 1:16:52.559 a lot of them to send him money. So his 1:16:52.680 --> 1:16:56.280 lawyers did try to block the lethal injection by arguing 1:16:56.320 --> 1:16:59.479 that he had mental illness, but nobody intervened. It ended 1:16:59.520 --> 1:17:03.080 up happening, and reporters that came to his execution could 1:17:03.080 --> 1:17:05.600 actually not hear his final statement because of a malfunction 1:17:05.680 --> 1:17:07.400 in the death chamber sound system. 1:17:07.920 --> 1:17:10.599 So yeah, there's some you know that they had tech. 1:17:10.640 --> 1:17:14.880 They had tech difficulties during his execution. I know you 1:17:15.000 --> 1:17:17.160 like to hear about last meals sometimes, so. 1:17:17.120 --> 1:17:19.280 His last well, I so now I want to hear 1:17:19.280 --> 1:17:22.200 about the technical difficulties of penalty community. 1:17:22.200 --> 1:17:23.800 I don't know, my god. 1:17:24.600 --> 1:17:29.120 So his last meal was rice, red beans, roasted pork, plantains, avocado, tomatoes, 1:17:29.120 --> 1:17:33.600 and olive oil. For dessert, pumpkin pie, eggnog and Cuban coffee. 1:17:34.439 --> 1:17:36.599 The eggnog is a little unhappy. I don't want anything 1:17:36.640 --> 1:17:39.760 that he picked. Yeah, yeah, that's not for me. 1:17:39.880 --> 1:17:44.080 But up under Department of Corrections rules, I read, the 1:17:44.120 --> 1:17:48.120 meal's ingredients, at least in Florida have to cost forty 1:17:48.200 --> 1:17:51.240 dollars or less, be available locally and made in the 1:17:51.240 --> 1:17:54.599 prison kitchen. So you're not allowed to like order a 1:17:54.680 --> 1:17:56.880 steak from Morton's or whatever. You know, it's not like 1:17:56.880 --> 1:17:58.559 an unlimited thing, and they have to just make it 1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:00.000 in the prison kitchen. So I don't know how great 1:18:00.040 --> 1:18:01.679 it's going to be, even if it's your favorite meal. 1:18:02.320 --> 1:18:04.519 Oh they put in a little more effort for someone's 1:18:04.600 --> 1:18:05.360 last meal. 1:18:05.960 --> 1:18:09.479 Yeah, I would hope. But and then it turns out 1:18:10.160 --> 1:18:13.040 I read one thing that said that my Manuel Pardo 1:18:13.160 --> 1:18:16.519 has been referred to as the real life Dexter. And 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:19.920 when I say has been referred to, I mean I 1:18:20.000 --> 1:18:23.840 found two articles about it, and one one is from 1:18:23.920 --> 1:18:28.800 AskMen dot com. So lol. But first of all, I 1:18:28.840 --> 1:18:30.000 just wanted to go over it. It's not going to 1:18:30.040 --> 1:18:31.920 take too much time, and it's funny. First of all, 1:18:31.960 --> 1:18:33.120 they said, there's a resemblance. 1:18:33.160 --> 1:18:33.479 I don't know. 1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:36.519 If you're in the doc and you can see where 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:39.280 I hyperlinked the word picture if you can click on 1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:40.600 that and please tell me if you think there's a 1:18:40.640 --> 1:18:43.840 resemblance between Dexter Morgan and this man. Oh, I mean 1:18:43.960 --> 1:18:44.920 like physically. 1:18:45.280 --> 1:18:45.599 Okay. 1:18:45.680 --> 1:18:48.160 Yeah, they're like, well, there's a resemblance physically. I'm like no, 1:18:49.000 --> 1:18:54.599 but okay, check this picture. Wow, look at you hyperlinking there. 1:18:54.880 --> 1:18:58.000 He looks more like Pugsley from Adam's Family. 1:18:58.479 --> 1:19:03.600 Yeah. They point out that Jeff Lindsay, who is the 1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:06.719 guy who wrote Darkly Dreaming Dexter and all the following 1:19:06.800 --> 1:19:09.519 Dexter books, that that the show is based on, that 1:19:09.560 --> 1:19:11.920 he lived in Miami his whole life, including the late 1:19:11.920 --> 1:19:14.719 eighties when this Parto case was like huge in the news, 1:19:14.800 --> 1:19:15.759 especially in Miami. 1:19:16.000 --> 1:19:16.280 Wow. 1:19:16.400 --> 1:19:21.400 So also, this guy's name is Jeff Lindsay and Dexter's 1:19:21.439 --> 1:19:23.679 name is Jim Lindsay when he goes back to Iron Lake. 1:19:24.200 --> 1:19:28.320 So interesting. But also one of the other coincidences they 1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:31.320 think is a big coincidence is that Manuel Pardo kind 1:19:31.320 --> 1:19:34.439 of sounds like Miguel Prado, which is Jimmy Smith's character 1:19:34.479 --> 1:19:35.200 in season three. 1:19:35.400 --> 1:19:38.240 All Right, it's a bit of a stretch. It's a 1:19:38.280 --> 1:19:42.200 bit it's a bit of a stretch. He started the rumor. 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:46.160 Well, askman dot com brought in a French serial killer expert. Okay, 1:19:46.280 --> 1:19:49.400 a French named stefan Bourg. 1:19:51.640 --> 1:19:55.080 So we let people murder. Yeah, what is life about 1:19:55.200 --> 1:19:56.440 without murder? 1:19:57.320 --> 1:20:00.920 Stefan Burg or whatever, how you say this guy's name 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:03.960 said quote, Dexter Morgan has this ritual where he lays 1:20:03.960 --> 1:20:05.920 out the photos of bad guys he wants to kill, 1:20:05.960 --> 1:20:08.560 like on his computer, Manny Pardo, he would put the 1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:10.960 pictures up of people he wanted to kill in his apartment. 1:20:11.000 --> 1:20:12.800 That's like not a similarity. That's like a lot of 1:20:12.880 --> 1:20:16.559 different serial killers do that. But really, but and it said, 1:20:16.760 --> 1:20:18.400 I think a lot of serial killers they find like 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:20.360 photos of people that they were targeting. 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:25.880 Oh no, Dexter like made them look at them before 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:28.120 he killed them, so they saw what their crimes were, 1:20:29.000 --> 1:20:30.760 so he knew what they were being murdered for. 1:20:31.080 --> 1:20:33.240 I think this is different. This is like they're just 1:20:33.280 --> 1:20:35.960 talking about how Dexter, like, you know, find gets a 1:20:36.000 --> 1:20:38.000 profile of people that he wants to kill, like and 1:20:38.040 --> 1:20:40.000 then this guy hangs up pictures so it's not that 1:20:40.320 --> 1:20:43.599 like and then to continue the quote, he goes and 1:20:43.800 --> 1:20:47.160 like Dexter, he would retain these keepsakes. While Dexter had 1:20:47.240 --> 1:20:50.080 his blood slides, Parto would keep the ashes of the 1:20:50.120 --> 1:20:53.639 cartridges used to kill his victims in an urn which 1:20:53.840 --> 1:20:57.280 represented the souls of his victims rotting in hell. I 1:20:57.320 --> 1:20:59.120 did not That's the end of the quote. I did 1:20:59.120 --> 1:21:01.599 not find that information anywhere. But I don't know if 1:21:01.600 --> 1:21:05.599 maybe this French expert has this information about the urn 1:21:05.680 --> 1:21:08.160 and like bullet casings or ashes of bullet casings. I 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:11.040 don't even know what he's talking about. But basically they're 1:21:11.040 --> 1:21:13.120 comparing them because they're like they both have a code, 1:21:13.160 --> 1:21:15.479 even though I think Pardo's code is like not real 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:18.719 and was an afterthought. They both have one young child 1:21:18.840 --> 1:21:21.360 and then they take mementos and allegedly they're twins, but 1:21:21.400 --> 1:21:23.240 I don't think it's I don't think it's a real theory. 1:21:23.280 --> 1:21:24.880 I just thought it was like fun to mention because 1:21:24.880 --> 1:21:27.240 we're in the we're in the throes of a Dexter 1:21:27.760 --> 1:21:30.320 time right now. But when I was reading about this, 1:21:30.360 --> 1:21:31.800 it was like the last thing I read, and I 1:21:31.840 --> 1:21:34.120 was like, what, Liz is gonna love this, But. 1:21:34.200 --> 1:21:35.080 I am no. 1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:38.599 The Miami of it all is interesting and maybe hearing 1:21:38.640 --> 1:21:43.519 about it, but this guy seems very religion like I 1:21:43.560 --> 1:21:46.439 am the hero, I am being told to do this. 1:21:46.600 --> 1:21:50.800 I'm reading like Dexter didn't have that holier than that. Yeah, 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:52.880 you know Dex's he's plagued by this. 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:55.599 I think it's so crazy too that he was just 1:21:55.640 --> 1:21:58.680 like out there killing people for like three months and 1:21:58.720 --> 1:22:00.840 they didn't find him until he shot himself in his 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:02.519 own foot, Like how long would it have kept going? 1:22:02.720 --> 1:22:07.160 Like pretty wild anyway. 1:22:06.600 --> 1:22:09.759 But that's I mean, I it sucks people were murdered, 1:22:09.800 --> 1:22:12.439 but you know, no rape, that's like, that's positive. 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:17.639 That's positive. Although in Abner Louima's case there was yeah, bad, 1:22:17.880 --> 1:22:20.839 yeah case, but you know, we got. 1:22:21.520 --> 1:22:22.160 Where we can. 1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:25.240 I hope that getting the biggest civil suit ever hurt 1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:30.280 the NYPD and made his life a little bit tolerable 1:22:30.320 --> 1:22:33.840 after what happened to him. But let's uh, we've got 1:22:33.840 --> 1:22:42.920 a great guest, so let's get to the guests. Our 1:22:42.960 --> 1:22:45.960 guest today, if you haven't figured it out yet, we're 1:22:46.000 --> 1:22:49.280 so excited is an actor who has had leading roles 1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:52.120 on shows like Army Wives and The Inspectors. But you 1:22:52.240 --> 1:22:56.759 also know him as five different characters on laudern SVU, 1:22:56.960 --> 1:23:02.200 including the ever agitated Chief Tom McGrath, the aggressive Boss. 1:23:02.920 --> 1:23:05.040 But you know today is a different character, the coffee 1:23:05.080 --> 1:23:10.080 lid licking officer Les Cooper. Please enjoy our conversation with 1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:13.639 the iconic Terry Serpico. It's such a pleasure to have you. 1:23:14.400 --> 1:23:16.880 But also, I'm like scared I'm about to get yelled at. 1:23:17.040 --> 1:23:18.919 I know, I'm afraid I'm gonna yell at myself. 1:23:19.920 --> 1:23:22.519 You know, it must be fun to play McGrath. I mean, 1:23:24.320 --> 1:23:25.959 or are people mad at you in the streets? 1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:26.479 Do people? 1:23:26.760 --> 1:23:27.280 Yeah? 1:23:27.080 --> 1:23:30.680 Yeah, people that were a little pissed off at me 1:23:30.760 --> 1:23:33.720 sometimes for being so mean to Olivia, you know, But 1:23:33.800 --> 1:23:36.000 I've had that throughout my career where people would come 1:23:36.040 --> 1:23:40.200 up to me and give me a shit for being 1:23:40.240 --> 1:23:43.200 mean to characters that that were beloved and that that 1:23:43.320 --> 1:23:46.200 meant something to them, and I just I meant nothing 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:48.679 other than I was the antagonist in their world. 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:50.760 Well, first of all, you're like one of the most 1:23:50.920 --> 1:23:54.680 recurring people on this You you do four episodes as 1:23:54.680 --> 1:23:56.799 different characters before you come back. 1:23:56.680 --> 1:23:57.679 As a raph. 1:23:58.000 --> 1:24:00.719 Yeah, and so like we've already covered on our podcast, 1:24:00.960 --> 1:24:04.479 like at least one other episode that you've been in. Well, 1:24:04.520 --> 1:24:06.040 I wanted to ask, first of all, because you said 1:24:06.040 --> 1:24:08.120 people come up to you on the streets and are 1:24:08.160 --> 1:24:11.519 mad at you. Do you mostly play kind of like 1:24:11.760 --> 1:24:13.880 jerks or would you say it's like fifty to fifty? 1:24:13.880 --> 1:24:15.760 What would you say the percentages of you? Because on 1:24:15.920 --> 1:24:20.000 SVU you've played a couple jerks and then a victim 1:24:21.280 --> 1:24:24.280 and then a big jerk. So what like career wise? 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:25.640 What's people just? 1:24:25.680 --> 1:24:28.960 People just don't like me. They just come up and 1:24:29.040 --> 1:24:31.559 yell at me. But like I just had that kind 1:24:31.560 --> 1:24:32.559 of face. I guess I know. 1:24:34.080 --> 1:24:41.520 No, when I played Colonel Shertwood on Army Wives, Yeah, 1:24:41.640 --> 1:24:43.720 I had people come up to me off and give me, 1:24:44.560 --> 1:24:47.000 give me shit for being mean to Denise or putting 1:24:47.040 --> 1:24:50.559 her on a sex schedule or demanding you know that 1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:52.920 she behave like an officer's wife. 1:24:53.240 --> 1:24:54.919 Wait, I got to watch army wives. 1:24:56.760 --> 1:25:01.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've had people come and shake their 1:25:01.280 --> 1:25:02.120 fingers in my face. 1:25:02.200 --> 1:25:04.280 But don't you don't you talk to me that way? 1:25:04.280 --> 1:25:07.760 Don't you have put on a sex schedule? You know? 1:25:07.920 --> 1:25:14.479 And then and uh, and with McGrath, yeah, it was it. 1:25:14.479 --> 1:25:18.400 Was often somebody like, you know, you're you're you're such 1:25:18.400 --> 1:25:19.920 a great character, but you're so mean. 1:25:20.200 --> 1:25:22.200 You're so mean to Olivia? Why are you so mean 1:25:22.240 --> 1:25:25.960 to Olivia? Every episode? It's like, I'm just pissed off? 1:25:25.960 --> 1:25:28.880 And so would you say? That's like more though, what 1:25:28.960 --> 1:25:31.880 you usually get cast for, like meaner guys or have 1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:35.280 you played I haven't everything you've ever done, but I 1:25:35.280 --> 1:25:37.800 feel like most of what I've seen you've done, you 1:25:37.880 --> 1:25:40.840 are like a stern and sort of yelly kind of guy, 1:25:41.479 --> 1:25:43.200 which is not how you appear to be in real life. 1:25:43.760 --> 1:25:44.120 Thanks. 1:25:45.360 --> 1:25:49.120 Yeah, I I I have most definitely played that type 1:25:49.120 --> 1:25:51.519 of character throughout my career. I have that kind of 1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:55.400 I guess, command presence. Yeah, you know, so, I've played 1:25:55.439 --> 1:25:57.080 a lot of soldiers, a lot of cops, a lot of. 1:25:57.040 --> 1:26:00.240 Authoritarian type figures and and uh, I do have a 1:26:00.280 --> 1:26:02.160 tendency to be that guy that comes in yells at 1:26:02.160 --> 1:26:03.640 the young bucks to go do their jobs, and then 1:26:03.680 --> 1:26:04.960 gets back in the big black car. 1:26:04.880 --> 1:26:09.479 And drives away. A crime will just have happened. And 1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:12.280 he's like, the presses outside figure this out. 1:26:12.439 --> 1:26:13.639 I'm like, just happened. 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:16.320 I want to rest. Yeah, I don't care. It's I 1:26:16.640 --> 1:26:21.840 ran rough shot over so much procedure and and the 1:26:21.960 --> 1:26:26.400 NYPD protocols and just correct law enforcement. I'm like, I 1:26:26.439 --> 1:26:28.679 don't care, I just want Yeah. 1:26:29.320 --> 1:26:31.320 So fun, it's so fun. 1:26:31.760 --> 1:26:36.000 But this did you any chance you rewatched this episode? 1:26:36.880 --> 1:26:37.240 Rotten? 1:26:37.400 --> 1:26:40.200 No, you do you remember anything about it? 1:26:40.520 --> 1:26:40.840 Rotten? 1:26:41.080 --> 1:26:43.200 Yeah, you did it about twenty two years ago. I'm 1:26:43.240 --> 1:26:43.920 sure you remember. 1:26:44.080 --> 1:26:45.240 Oh god, was that was that? 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:47.440 What did I? 1:26:47.439 --> 1:26:49.200 I didn't raper, but I said, no, no, no. 1:26:50.439 --> 1:26:53.240 You're murdering drug dealer. Now that was the first episode 1:26:53.240 --> 1:26:55.280 you did. You're thinking of season one when you did 1:26:55.320 --> 1:26:58.879 an episode you did this one. Yes, this episode is 1:27:00.040 --> 1:27:02.160 obviously want to talk all about your McGrath stuff, but 1:27:02.520 --> 1:27:04.840 we like talking to people about the early stuff as well. 1:27:05.439 --> 1:27:11.120 And Rotten, you're playing this dirty cop which named Les Cooper, 1:27:11.840 --> 1:27:17.240 and I remember that. Yeah, And I I was thinking, 1:27:17.240 --> 1:27:20.040 it's very interesting that you're playing a dirty cop. And 1:27:20.080 --> 1:27:22.559 your last name is Cerproco, which is sort of like 1:27:22.800 --> 1:27:26.720 synonymous with calling out. And did you know that the 1:27:26.760 --> 1:27:30.559 Internet gets confused and things that your Cerproco's son. Yes, 1:27:30.600 --> 1:27:32.599 so when you Google you, it's like says that you're 1:27:32.680 --> 1:27:33.160 his child. 1:27:33.200 --> 1:27:36.360 And I'm like, I think so my dad is Frank Serpico. 1:27:37.120 --> 1:27:40.840 Was Frank the same name, different Frank my brother as well, 1:27:41.760 --> 1:27:44.479 So there were there were Frank Serpicos all over the place. 1:27:44.479 --> 1:27:47.840 In fact, I'm we've got to be related to the 1:27:47.960 --> 1:27:51.280 more famous Frank Serpico, although not when you asked my dad, 1:27:51.320 --> 1:27:54.240 he was no means more famous than my dad in 1:27:54.280 --> 1:27:58.360 his mind. My dad was a career soldier, Okay, I 1:27:58.439 --> 1:28:02.920 retired to full colonel in the regular Army, and he 1:28:03.000 --> 1:28:04.960 was a hard ass army officer pretty much, and you know, 1:28:05.000 --> 1:28:07.400 he softened quite a bit after he retired. But so 1:28:07.439 --> 1:28:11.280 the command presence that I get cast a playoff and 1:28:11.360 --> 1:28:13.400 comes naturally. I grew up with it. 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:17.479 And you ended up playing a military guy on SVU 1:28:17.560 --> 1:28:20.439 as well, and that in the episode Military Justice. 1:28:21.439 --> 1:28:26.360 Oh yeah, I was. I was a Coastguard. Yeah, coast Guard, 1:28:26.360 --> 1:28:28.000 which is the Armed Forces. 1:28:28.080 --> 1:28:33.360 Yeah, yeah, God, I did a I auditioned like twelve 1:28:33.400 --> 1:28:36.280 times before I got my first booking on any of 1:28:36.280 --> 1:28:38.960 the Law and Order franchise at the time. 1:28:39.040 --> 1:28:43.640 I think my first one was Criminal Intent and it 1:28:43.760 --> 1:28:46.920 was this the non speaking part where I'm playing a 1:28:47.080 --> 1:28:49.760 hitman who's gonna who's collecting his bag of tricks and 1:28:50.000 --> 1:28:54.439 leaving the room. But I auditioned like twelve so it 1:28:54.479 --> 1:28:56.880 was like my sacrificial lamb. I figured, you know, I'm 1:28:56.880 --> 1:28:58.559 not going to book this, So that's the one I'm 1:28:58.560 --> 1:29:00.479 not going to book. Let's just go do it. Move 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:03.040 on to the others. And then finally I started booking, 1:29:03.080 --> 1:29:05.560 and then yeah, I did. I did a lot of episodes. 1:29:05.720 --> 1:29:07.360 Yeah, and then they never stopped booking. 1:29:07.400 --> 1:29:13.320 You really the episode we're talking about, though, what rotten? 1:29:14.640 --> 1:29:16.880 There's this there's this scene in there, one of my 1:29:16.920 --> 1:29:20.160 first scenes with Marishka, where my partner hands me a 1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:21.519 cup of coffee. We're standing on the street. 1:29:21.640 --> 1:29:23.679 The only question I wanted to really ask you about 1:29:23.680 --> 1:29:27.000 this episode? Thank god you remember it? You licking the 1:29:27.080 --> 1:29:27.760 coffee lid. 1:29:29.160 --> 1:29:31.439 I don't know, I mean, don't, don't. Doesn't everybody do that. 1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:33.760 It's like, you know, you've lift it up and it's 1:29:33.760 --> 1:29:37.599 like there's like coffee there there's like and I did that, 1:29:37.640 --> 1:29:40.559 and Mariska like after the tape, she's like, oh my god, 1:29:40.600 --> 1:29:42.720 did you just lick your coffee cup lid? 1:29:43.000 --> 1:29:46.280 And I was like, yeah, I've probably seen this episode 1:29:46.280 --> 1:29:48.840 ten times. I've never clocked that that's something that Lisa 1:29:48.840 --> 1:29:51.280 would notice. And she noticed it and was like, I'm 1:29:51.280 --> 1:29:53.759 gonna ask about this. I never thought you would remember. 1:29:53.880 --> 1:29:56.920 And I had like this was that direction? Was that written? 1:29:57.240 --> 1:29:59.799 It looks very natural? 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:00.320 Yeah? 1:30:00.400 --> 1:30:01.120 So natural. 1:30:01.280 --> 1:30:04.760 But I've never been as spontaneous since. And I'm still 1:30:04.800 --> 1:30:05.880 chasing that dragon like. 1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:10.000 Such a good character choice. I don't know, but okay, natural. 1:30:10.000 --> 1:30:12.599 I'm so glad you remember that. That's like, that's why 1:30:12.640 --> 1:30:15.960 I asked if you watched this episode, because I was like. 1:30:15.920 --> 1:30:18.800 You might not remember this coffee moment, but you did well. 1:30:18.920 --> 1:30:22.240 Like the McGrath episodes are like so like the McGrath 1:30:22.280 --> 1:30:26.480 episodes are like, you know, you're not always the main focus, 1:30:26.560 --> 1:30:28.519 and like this one you're sort of a focus. And 1:30:28.560 --> 1:30:32.599 then the one episode where your daughter is victimized when 1:30:32.600 --> 1:30:35.599 you're McGrath, Unfortunately it's not based on a true crime, 1:30:35.640 --> 1:30:37.240 and that's kind of how we do our podcast. So 1:30:37.280 --> 1:30:40.479 we didn't focus on that episode, but like, you know, 1:30:40.600 --> 1:30:43.000 we're going to talk about your whole tenure. Did you 1:30:43.680 --> 1:30:45.760 like what you So you finally got cast, but you 1:30:45.760 --> 1:30:49.559 got cast on SVU in season one, you're in the 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:52.479 episode You're in an episode called Closure. Then you do 1:30:52.600 --> 1:30:55.240 US season four, season six, season fifteen, and then you 1:30:55.280 --> 1:30:57.920 come back for twenty two through twenty five. What have 1:30:58.000 --> 1:31:00.840 you noticed any like changes on the show since like 1:31:01.080 --> 1:31:03.679 you started, when you really have like a vantage point 1:31:03.680 --> 1:31:06.519 of seeing the show grow over like a quarter of 1:31:06.600 --> 1:31:07.200 a century. 1:31:08.200 --> 1:31:12.720 No, I've been pretty much unconscious my entire Yeah, pretty much. 1:31:12.680 --> 1:31:15.479 When I first started doing this, I was like I 1:31:15.600 --> 1:31:17.320 was in high school and I was doing the plays 1:31:17.360 --> 1:31:18.080 in school. 1:31:17.800 --> 1:31:20.880 And then high school roles. 1:31:22.000 --> 1:31:23.720 I hadn't done anything. I was just I was just 1:31:23.760 --> 1:31:25.360 a jock, you know. I mean, if I had a ball, 1:31:25.400 --> 1:31:26.559 I was out there and playing with it. 1:31:26.960 --> 1:31:27.120 Uh. 1:31:27.160 --> 1:31:30.320 And I went to see the musical in my freshman 1:31:30.400 --> 1:31:32.680 year of high school, and I thought it was how 1:31:32.720 --> 1:31:34.439 to Succeed in Business without really trying. 1:31:34.640 --> 1:31:37.280 And I thought, wow, that looks great. They're having a 1:31:37.439 --> 1:31:39.960 great time and there's cute girls and the leotards and 1:31:40.600 --> 1:31:42.680 great parties and you know, so I'm gonna do that. 1:31:42.720 --> 1:31:44.519 So next the next year, I auditioned and I got 1:31:44.520 --> 1:31:46.040 the roll of Snoopy and You're a good man, Charlie. 1:31:46.040 --> 1:31:49.280 But yeah, so I was kind of up to my neck. 1:31:49.360 --> 1:31:53.759 And then in the subsequent years, uh, you know, organized 1:31:53.800 --> 1:31:56.400 sports kind of went by the wayside as I devoted 1:31:56.400 --> 1:31:59.719 more of my time to acting and dancing. I danced 1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:01.559 ballet for a couple of years, and I was doing 1:32:01.680 --> 1:32:03.960 choreography and doing said building, doing you know everything. I 1:32:04.000 --> 1:32:07.519 got sucked in. I'd found my tribe. And then I 1:32:07.560 --> 1:32:10.120 was just I just started looking for theater training programs. 1:32:10.120 --> 1:32:12.519 I didn't conscientiously say, oh geez, I want to be 1:32:12.560 --> 1:32:14.400 an actor. I was just like, oh, I guess I'm 1:32:14.439 --> 1:32:18.160 doing this. And then I got out of Sunny Purchase 1:32:18.200 --> 1:32:19.760 and I was like, well, I guess I'm going to 1:32:19.800 --> 1:32:20.200 New York. 1:32:20.479 --> 1:32:21.519 Yeah. 1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:24.160 I you know, I was lucky enough to have an 1:32:24.200 --> 1:32:28.439 agent pretty early on for at least a little while. 1:32:29.240 --> 1:32:30.640 So I was like, Okay, I guess I'm doing this. 1:32:30.720 --> 1:32:32.680 And I went and I got a survival job ten 1:32:32.760 --> 1:32:34.880 and Barr and I attended bar at the Rodeo Bar 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:36.160 for twenty two years. 1:32:36.439 --> 1:32:37.439 That's so crazy. 1:32:37.840 --> 1:32:38.840 I first I went. 1:32:38.680 --> 1:32:41.479 Looking I got the job, and I didn't give up 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:45.240 the job until I was a series regular on Army Wise. 1:32:45.520 --> 1:32:47.679 I grew up like right outside of New York City, 1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:50.720 and I one of my first like trips into the 1:32:50.760 --> 1:32:53.639 city that I can remember as like a more sentient 1:32:53.720 --> 1:32:55.479 person was like when I was in sixth grade, my 1:32:55.520 --> 1:32:57.599 parents took me to see Secret Garden with my best 1:32:57.600 --> 1:33:01.479 friend on Broadway and we went to Rodeo Bar and 1:33:01.560 --> 1:33:07.480 got food and well, I kept the little plastic monkeys 1:33:07.760 --> 1:33:10.600 and like there were these little plastic like charms that 1:33:10.680 --> 1:33:14.160 they put on like the glasses that I kept forever. 1:33:14.240 --> 1:33:15.559 I was like, these are from a bar in New 1:33:15.640 --> 1:33:18.000 York City. Like I thought they were so cool. And 1:33:18.040 --> 1:33:20.240 then I saw in your Wikipedia that you used to 1:33:20.680 --> 1:33:22.720 bartend at Rodeo, and I was like, I wonder if 1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:25.160 this man like served my parents or drink when I 1:33:25.280 --> 1:33:27.360 was like sixth grader. 1:33:27.880 --> 1:33:31.120 Probably did. Your dad was rushing to the bar while 1:33:31.200 --> 1:33:32.040 nobody was looking at. 1:33:35.000 --> 1:33:37.960 But yeah, Rodeo was like forever, that was like an institution. 1:33:38.120 --> 1:33:40.120 It's gone now though, right, uh it is. 1:33:40.320 --> 1:33:41.040 Yeah, it's now. 1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:43.400 It's called the Gem Saloon and it's They've done a 1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:45.280 beautiful job renovating it, but yeah, we were there. 1:33:45.320 --> 1:33:46.439 I was there for twenty two years. 1:33:46.479 --> 1:33:47.880 And you have such a long career. 1:33:48.080 --> 1:33:50.679 You've been working for so long and so many credits, 1:33:50.680 --> 1:33:52.599 and that's while that you were attending bar the whole 1:33:52.640 --> 1:33:53.080 time too. 1:33:53.280 --> 1:33:54.920 If you want to call it a career, you go 1:33:55.000 --> 1:34:02.400 right in. Yeah, I've been fortunate enough to uh book 1:34:02.439 --> 1:34:06.559 a lot of roofing jobs. Basically, I'm like an acting roofer. 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:09.000 I don't know. I just I come here, I do 1:34:09.040 --> 1:34:11.720 the job, and then I kind of But you. 1:34:11.720 --> 1:34:14.040 Have like eighty four credits. I mean you've been You've 1:34:14.040 --> 1:34:17.280 been regular on many shows. This is not like a hobby. 1:34:17.760 --> 1:34:21.599 I've been recurring on many shows. Yeah, a series regular 1:34:21.680 --> 1:34:24.640 once on Army Wives. I was heavy recurring. 1:34:24.520 --> 1:34:26.920 Really because this other show you did like one hundred 1:34:26.960 --> 1:34:28.559 episodes of some show called The inc. 1:34:29.080 --> 1:34:30.280 The Inspectors. Yeah, The Inspectors. 1:34:30.360 --> 1:34:30.840 Yeah I was. 1:34:30.880 --> 1:34:31.759 I was a series regular. 1:34:32.080 --> 1:34:34.120 I'm like, I got your IMDb right in front of me, Terry, 1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:35.479 I'm going to call you out if you're going to be. 1:34:35.640 --> 1:34:39.400 And I directed several episodes of that as well. Oh yeah, 1:34:39.520 --> 1:34:41.880 I was nominated for a Daytime Emmy for that show. 1:34:42.080 --> 1:34:45.200 Can I ask you about you? And like Marishka like 1:34:45.760 --> 1:34:49.000 you are in your three seasons as McGrath, you have 1:34:49.200 --> 1:34:51.600 you are just constantly screaming at her. 1:34:51.800 --> 1:34:55.759 And you know, like and she keeps proving you wrong. 1:34:56.520 --> 1:35:00.360 She is correct every single time. I don't her stand 1:35:00.400 --> 1:35:02.320 this guy got a word? 1:35:02.960 --> 1:35:13.320 Yeah, yeah, yes, you know, but like when you guys 1:35:13.320 --> 1:35:16.120 when they like one pp is breathing down my neck 1:35:16.320 --> 1:35:17.479 when they cut, are. 1:35:17.360 --> 1:35:19.400 You guys like joking with each other and stuff? 1:35:19.479 --> 1:35:24.960 And like absolutely, I mean Mariska most definitely, uh sets 1:35:24.960 --> 1:35:29.280 the tone. It's her show that it's it's we're all 1:35:31.400 --> 1:35:33.479 we're all living in her world there, and she's she 1:35:33.520 --> 1:35:35.719 sets a beautiful tone there because she works really hard. 1:35:35.760 --> 1:35:39.560 She cares very deeply about the material. She's very professional 1:35:39.600 --> 1:35:43.559 and loves to play, loves to to find other ways 1:35:43.600 --> 1:35:45.800 and that all the various ways that this material is 1:35:45.840 --> 1:35:50.040 going to make sense, and is adamant that it tracks 1:35:50.040 --> 1:35:52.439 obviously as a producer and you know, doing the show 1:35:52.479 --> 1:35:55.320 for as long as she has, you know, it's it's 1:35:55.360 --> 1:36:00.720 it's got to make sense. And she loves to keep 1:36:00.760 --> 1:36:03.400 it light on set. Yeah, it's when it's time to work, 1:36:03.400 --> 1:36:05.840 it's time to work, but there's always time to laugh. 1:36:06.320 --> 1:36:10.960 Yeah, Chris McGrath is such a dick, and he's he's 1:36:11.720 --> 1:36:13.559 in a long line of other dicks, like I mean, 1:36:13.600 --> 1:36:18.960 Peter Gallagher's character came before you, who was like always 1:36:19.360 --> 1:36:20.000 before him. 1:36:20.240 --> 1:36:23.320 Yeah, online of men who don't trust Benson, who. 1:36:23.240 --> 1:36:25.799 Don't trust Benson even though she's been leading this squad 1:36:25.840 --> 1:36:26.960 for twenty something years. 1:36:27.120 --> 1:36:30.360 They have the same objectives, they just have different ways 1:36:30.360 --> 1:36:32.400 of going about yea, I have. You know, McGrath has 1:36:32.400 --> 1:36:34.679 an awful lot of political hoops he has to jump through. 1:36:36.720 --> 1:36:39.240 And yeah, I mean there were there were times I 1:36:39.280 --> 1:36:42.719 certainly compromised her investigation, but that's uh, that's that's TV. 1:36:43.280 --> 1:36:46.439 Yeah. But then you know, he starts therapy. He listens 1:36:46.479 --> 1:36:51.719 to his daughters a little right at the very growth growth. 1:36:51.960 --> 1:36:53.880 As soon as these men grow, they leave the show 1:36:54.200 --> 1:36:55.439 as soon as they have the growth. 1:36:56.280 --> 1:36:57.680 I should I should have seen her. I said, no, 1:36:57.720 --> 1:36:58.559 I'm not going to do that. 1:36:58.680 --> 1:37:04.479 Yeah, David David Garziano, who is running the show at 1:37:04.479 --> 1:37:08.120 the time, you know, calls me. He says, look, I'm 1:37:08.120 --> 1:37:11.599 not writing you off, and it's like, oh, here it comes. 1:37:12.120 --> 1:37:14.840 But you know you're gonna pull a gun on your 1:37:14.840 --> 1:37:17.360 neighbor and lose your job. And then you're gonna end 1:37:17.439 --> 1:37:20.480 up being like the happiest, like just regular old homicide 1:37:20.680 --> 1:37:22.640 detective on the NYPD. 1:37:23.320 --> 1:37:24.720 And well that never panned down. 1:37:24.800 --> 1:37:29.679 So hey, they could always bring you back. They could 1:37:29.800 --> 1:37:33.559 for an old Yeah you don't, you didn't die, I. 1:37:33.680 --> 1:37:34.400 Didn't go to jail. 1:37:34.680 --> 1:37:37.880 You're also pretty shitty to Garland. To the guy who 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:43.639 plays Garland, I wrote down him, I see failure written 1:37:43.680 --> 1:37:44.240 all over you. 1:37:44.960 --> 1:37:46.479 Pretty well. 1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:50.920 They they he seemed like a nice guy. I don't 1:37:50.960 --> 1:37:52.639 know why you were so mad at him. 1:37:54.680 --> 1:37:58.519 I wasn't. I wasn't, but they, yeah, there was. 1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:02.559 There was a decision had way up the flagpole, and 1:38:03.280 --> 1:38:04.840 it came to me just to be the one that 1:38:07.040 --> 1:38:10.760 that said things like that to him. I felt bad, though, 1:38:10.760 --> 1:38:13.080 because you know, it was like I ended up basically 1:38:13.160 --> 1:38:17.000 replacing that actor. And you know, in fact, I ended 1:38:17.040 --> 1:38:20.160 up replacing another actor because he got COVID just before 1:38:20.160 --> 1:38:23.120 he was due to shoot as McGrath. 1:38:23.400 --> 1:38:25.120 Oh really, it to me? 1:38:25.439 --> 1:38:31.120 Yeah? Chance? What is Chance's last name? Chance? 1:38:31.280 --> 1:38:31.599 Wow? 1:38:31.760 --> 1:38:35.000 You even he's been on the show for for many 1:38:35.000 --> 1:38:35.479 many times? 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:39.040 To Chance, Gosh, Chance, Kelly Chance Slaughter. 1:38:39.200 --> 1:38:41.759 I'm sorry, Chance, Kelly Chance, I'm sorry. 1:38:41.800 --> 1:38:45.880 Oh yeah, wait, this guy was gonna be McGrath. 1:38:45.640 --> 1:38:47.920 Was going to be a graph and it's it's my 1:38:48.040 --> 1:38:53.000 understanding that I don't see it. He was slated to 1:38:53.040 --> 1:38:53.679 do McGraph. 1:38:54.000 --> 1:38:56.640 Yeah, he got COVID and couldn't do it all that, 1:38:56.920 --> 1:38:59.320 and uh, my agent, my agent calls me and I'm like, 1:38:59.439 --> 1:39:03.400 standing there in my garden up and beacon. That's what 1:39:03.479 --> 1:39:06.920 I did during COVID was I doing the brand new 1:39:06.920 --> 1:39:07.879 garden in the backyard. 1:39:07.960 --> 1:39:11.640 So it's no, I don't have a garden, but I'm 1:39:11.680 --> 1:39:13.519 standing in my garden. My agents like, where are you? 1:39:13.560 --> 1:39:16.080 Because I was going back and forth to Charleston at 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:17.719 that point, so I'm in my garden. 1:39:17.840 --> 1:39:20.960 He says, no, what's state? I said, I'm here in 1:39:20.960 --> 1:39:23.240 New York. So well, can you can you be down 1:39:23.280 --> 1:39:27.240 in the peer sixty two to COVID test today or 1:39:27.280 --> 1:39:29.600 like in an hour? And I was like no, but 1:39:29.680 --> 1:39:32.559 I can be down there in like three hours. Okay, 1:39:32.640 --> 1:39:34.840 well do that and then I started the next day. 1:39:36.200 --> 1:39:41.040 Wow, yeah, he's well, he's in the same as view 1:39:41.120 --> 1:39:44.639 where you're wearing the aviators the boxing Tommy Baker's artist 1:39:44.640 --> 1:39:45.120 fight play. 1:39:47.240 --> 1:39:49.080 Oh so you guys actually cross paths. 1:39:50.040 --> 1:39:51.720 That was like the ball and they thrown because they 1:39:51.800 --> 1:39:53.760 you know, they felt bad. I guess that he had 1:39:53.760 --> 1:39:55.080 to give up the Migrat. 1:39:54.960 --> 1:39:57.040 And it was only supposed to have been a few episodes, 1:39:57.080 --> 1:40:00.200 and it just turned into. 1:39:59.160 --> 1:40:00.400 Yeah, more and more reasons. 1:40:00.560 --> 1:40:01.559 Yeah, just great. 1:40:01.720 --> 1:40:04.920 I'm happy to have been a part of this juggernaut 1:40:05.080 --> 1:40:07.160 in order to be a part of this this really 1:40:07.200 --> 1:40:11.639 wonderful show that does great things in terms of giving 1:40:11.720 --> 1:40:14.280 voice to people that have been victimized that may not 1:40:14.360 --> 1:40:15.840 otherwise have that voice or. 1:40:15.840 --> 1:40:19.040 Feel as though they've achieved justice for themselves. At least 1:40:19.040 --> 1:40:23.360 they can vicariously through SVU. I think that's wicked important. 1:40:23.360 --> 1:40:26.400 Beautifully said we feel that about this show. 1:40:26.560 --> 1:40:28.200 Yeah, I think it's great. Absolutely. 1:40:28.479 --> 1:40:31.760 This is a insane question and you're probably not going 1:40:31.800 --> 1:40:34.920 to know the answer, but I'm going to ask you. 1:40:34.920 --> 1:40:38.640 Your character's name is Tommy McGrath. There are on this 1:40:38.800 --> 1:40:42.920 show throughout the twenty six seasons, there are dozens of 1:40:43.040 --> 1:40:46.040 characters named Tom or Tommy. One of our listeners went 1:40:46.080 --> 1:40:50.639 through and there is literally one to two in every season. 1:40:50.720 --> 1:40:53.880 There are dozens wow of characters named Tom or Tommy. 1:40:54.120 --> 1:40:57.559 And I was just wondering if you add any intel, like, 1:40:57.760 --> 1:41:00.479 is that the name of Dick Wolf's dog, Like are 1:41:00.479 --> 1:41:04.320 there's so many Tommy's and Tom's on the show. 1:41:05.479 --> 1:41:08.280 It was his. It was his slid when he was 1:41:08.320 --> 1:41:12.920 a child. It was just a little snow slid. 1:41:12.760 --> 1:41:17.280 Said said Tommy, I have no idea. 1:41:18.680 --> 1:41:21.960 And then so one of your first another show Lisa 1:41:22.000 --> 1:41:24.600 Loves is OZ and you did to that was like 1:41:24.600 --> 1:41:26.840 one of your first jobs. 1:41:27.080 --> 1:41:29.760 I did watch that in my childhood. It's pretty fucked up. 1:41:29.840 --> 1:41:35.000 But that is that. That probably explains a lot. I mean, 1:41:35.040 --> 1:41:37.040 I don't know you, but I'm pretty fucked up. 1:41:37.520 --> 1:41:42.040 I'm really fucking I really wanted to for the Killers. 1:41:42.320 --> 1:41:45.400 And so when we got HBO, I mean that was 1:41:45.479 --> 1:41:50.600 that was it? Because then you kept it was Maloney's 1:41:50.680 --> 1:41:52.120 I'd ever seen in television. 1:41:52.560 --> 1:41:54.559 Oh yeah, well it's the craziest thing that most people 1:41:54.560 --> 1:41:56.080 had seen on Tovison. Yeah, it was. 1:41:56.120 --> 1:42:04.080 It was astoundingly cutting edge for for television. Was a genius. Yeah, 1:42:04.200 --> 1:42:08.040 Maloney was on. In fact, Chris Maloney managed the Rodeo 1:42:08.120 --> 1:42:10.679 Bar when I was there. No, he was a manager 1:42:10.760 --> 1:42:15.439 for for like a hot minute and just fucking hated 1:42:15.479 --> 1:42:17.320 it because he wanted to be an actor. 1:42:17.360 --> 1:42:18.960 Three he is now, you know, he wanted to. 1:42:18.920 --> 1:42:21.000 Be there and he was really close and it was 1:42:21.040 --> 1:42:22.720 just like that frustrating kind of harm. 1:42:24.120 --> 1:42:25.320 But yeah, we were. 1:42:25.080 --> 1:42:27.320 We worked together for a little bit at the Rodeo 1:42:27.360 --> 1:42:29.960 bar and then to be able to regal one another 1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:32.000 with stories once we saw each other on set. 1:42:32.479 --> 1:42:35.920 Oh, Sabler and McGrath playing cocktail in real life. 1:42:36.080 --> 1:42:36.280 Right. 1:42:36.800 --> 1:42:40.880 I love this, Yeah, shooting doing some bottle tricks. I 1:42:40.960 --> 1:42:44.240 love this to my giving me a Shirley Temple as 1:42:44.240 --> 1:42:45.040 a sixth grader. 1:42:46.040 --> 1:42:46.479 There we go. 1:42:46.920 --> 1:42:50.200 I I am obsessed with that. Yeah, because he's not 1:42:50.240 --> 1:42:53.160 really in this episode, Rotten. It's like an all Marisha episode. 1:42:53.160 --> 1:42:54.840 I don't know if he had like something else to 1:42:54.880 --> 1:42:57.400 do that day, but it's like all but you'd been 1:42:57.439 --> 1:42:58.760 in other episodes with him. 1:42:58.960 --> 1:43:01.360 I never, I know, on all the episodes I did 1:43:01.400 --> 1:43:03.400 of of SVU, I never worked with him. It wasn't 1:43:03.479 --> 1:43:08.679 until I crossed over his McGrath and did see that. 1:43:09.760 --> 1:43:12.160 And did he remember you from the rodeo days? 1:43:13.600 --> 1:43:14.960 He remembered what I told him? 1:43:16.120 --> 1:43:18.400 Yeah, that's crazy. 1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:21.080 What do you have next? What do you? What? Should 1:43:21.120 --> 1:43:23.120 where should find you? 1:43:24.040 --> 1:43:26.160 I was hoping they would find me on the water 1:43:26.240 --> 1:43:29.280 front for season two, but that guy canceled. 1:43:30.400 --> 1:43:32.240 Yeah, That was a bummer because I was I was 1:43:32.400 --> 1:43:36.240 positioned to be the bad guy in season two. 1:43:36.560 --> 1:43:42.479 Oh damn, that's like a sort of a thrillery Netflix show, right, 1:43:43.280 --> 1:43:43.760 Yes it is. 1:43:43.800 --> 1:43:47.160 It's like kind of like Ozark, but at the at 1:43:47.200 --> 1:43:48.719 the beach instead of on the lake. 1:43:49.160 --> 1:43:51.040 Got it? You know, I would have I would been 1:43:51.080 --> 1:43:56.920 playing like a cartel family leader. 1:43:57.160 --> 1:44:00.320 And we love Hult mccallamie. He's a sv guy. 1:44:00.720 --> 1:44:02.080 Holpe mccownie's great. 1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:05.160 He's he's a good dude. He's also with the same 1:44:05.200 --> 1:44:08.880 agency for a while. We were auditioning for the same things. 1:44:08.920 --> 1:44:10.800 I think we both auditioned for man Hunter. 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:14.840 Yeah, mind Hunter for Bill Tench and I saw him in. 1:44:14.800 --> 1:44:16.400 The elevator one day at Buckwell and I was like, 1:44:16.439 --> 1:44:18.040 I'm so glad you got it because you're just so 1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:19.000 fucking perfect. 1:44:20.240 --> 1:44:26.840 Good. Yeah, he does, he does. He does a good hold. Yeah. No, 1:44:27.000 --> 1:44:30.439 So I wish I was doing something right now, but 1:44:30.800 --> 1:44:31.200 I'm not. 1:44:32.240 --> 1:44:32.280 No. 1:44:32.400 --> 1:44:34.479 What I am doing, though, is I'm writing. I just finished. 1:44:35.080 --> 1:44:37.519 I just wrote typed in the end on a screenplay 1:44:37.560 --> 1:44:39.840 that I've been working on for some time. Great, which 1:44:39.840 --> 1:44:41.479 is great. So now so now the grunt. 1:44:41.280 --> 1:44:43.719 Work really starts, because now I go back into rewrite 1:44:44.560 --> 1:44:47.360 and reno, visions and revisions and stuff. But it's it's 1:44:47.479 --> 1:44:51.759 it's in good shape. I've got another one that i'm finished, 1:44:51.840 --> 1:44:54.040 that it was finished a couple of years ago, that 1:44:54.080 --> 1:44:55.040 I'm kind of reworking. 1:44:57.200 --> 1:44:58.240 I'm really enjoying. 1:44:58.520 --> 1:45:03.120 I've always I've always been a capable and I've been 1:45:03.160 --> 1:45:05.200 a good writer, but I've never been a writer. 1:45:05.560 --> 1:45:09.519 Never had a writer's discipline, you know. I always maintained it. 1:45:09.560 --> 1:45:11.120 It's like, Okay, I can write because I can put 1:45:11.160 --> 1:45:12.920 words together, and you know, I'll get a goodyear for 1:45:13.000 --> 1:45:17.200 dialogue and decent ability to structure something. But I'm not 1:45:17.320 --> 1:45:19.680 a writer. I don't have the discipline as well. I've 1:45:19.720 --> 1:45:22.920 been writing, like, you know, hours a day now, wow, 1:45:23.760 --> 1:45:27.479 because it's great. It's especially in my end of the industry. 1:45:27.479 --> 1:45:29.560 As an actor, you have so little control. 1:45:29.280 --> 1:45:32.200 Over anything anything. 1:45:32.600 --> 1:45:34.600 I mean, decisions are being made about your life by 1:45:34.640 --> 1:45:38.519 people you have never met, don't know, we'll we'll never meet, 1:45:39.800 --> 1:45:43.400 you know, And when writing, at least you have I 1:45:43.479 --> 1:45:47.840 have control over well everything, I have control over something. 1:45:49.080 --> 1:45:51.360 And you know, we'll see. Uh. You know, my manager's 1:45:51.360 --> 1:45:56.280 pretty excited about it. I need to talk to my agent, 1:45:56.360 --> 1:45:59.280 and when I'm ready to have the Literary Department of 1:45:59.280 --> 1:46:01.640 Book qualityke a look at it and we'll see it. 1:46:02.280 --> 1:46:08.680 It'd be really nice. It's it's well, thank you, thank you. 1:46:08.760 --> 1:46:10.919 I really appreciate your script. Is very difficult. 1:46:10.920 --> 1:46:15.320 It's very difficult, and I have I've been working really 1:46:15.360 --> 1:46:18.040 hard at it and I've put some some real heart 1:46:18.160 --> 1:46:22.760 into it, and I've really enjoyed the process. It's given 1:46:22.880 --> 1:46:26.080 It's given me a lot. It's really it's given me 1:46:26.160 --> 1:46:26.479 a lot. 1:46:26.840 --> 1:46:29.559 Well, this was amazing. Thank you so much for talking 1:46:29.600 --> 1:46:32.560 to us. Even if your wife bullied you into it, 1:46:32.680 --> 1:46:33.760 we hope you had a good time. 1:46:35.040 --> 1:46:37.400 She did not. I was so happy to do this. 1:46:42.439 --> 1:46:44.160 That was and we did it. 1:46:44.360 --> 1:46:44.840 We got it. 1:46:45.120 --> 1:46:47.519 We got him, We got him, We finally got We 1:46:47.640 --> 1:46:49.280 had him on our list and he had said like that, 1:46:49.360 --> 1:46:52.080 he had said yes forever ago, and then we finally 1:46:52.200 --> 1:46:52.880 nailed him down. 1:46:53.439 --> 1:46:56.240 It's really a testament to this show because sometimes we'll 1:46:56.240 --> 1:46:58.280 do episodes and I'm like, I've been dying to do this. 1:46:58.479 --> 1:46:59.759 I've wanted to do this episode. 1:46:59.760 --> 1:47:01.880 I've wanted to talk to this person, and yet it 1:47:02.040 --> 1:47:04.559 still took years because there's so many others we wanted 1:47:04.600 --> 1:47:04.920 to like. 1:47:04.960 --> 1:47:07.120 It is crazy that it keeps being exciting. 1:47:07.760 --> 1:47:11.160 Yeah, but I also love when you pick up on 1:47:11.280 --> 1:47:14.000 some minute thing and you're gonna ask the guest about it, 1:47:14.120 --> 1:47:15.640 and in my mind, I'm always like, I wonder if 1:47:15.680 --> 1:47:17.560 they're even gonna know what she's talking about. And he 1:47:17.760 --> 1:47:20.519 totally was like, wasn't I like going to town on 1:47:20.640 --> 1:47:23.920 that coffee lid? Like he was totally remembered how much 1:47:23.960 --> 1:47:27.599 he licked a coffee lid twenty years ago. Like that's 1:47:27.720 --> 1:47:29.479 kind of what I think is like the fun little 1:47:29.560 --> 1:47:33.799 magic moments in our interviews. So I what a blast. 1:47:33.960 --> 1:47:37.120 He's so kind of nice. Of course, I know he's 1:47:37.160 --> 1:47:38.599 not going to come on here and be like, what's 1:47:38.640 --> 1:47:40.200 what this podcast? Get it done? 1:47:40.280 --> 1:47:44.400 You know, Like, well, I'm really open honest. I felt 1:47:44.439 --> 1:47:49.720 like he went deep and also remembers stuff. And I'm 1:47:49.800 --> 1:47:52.160 such a follower. Like two days ago, I was on 1:47:52.200 --> 1:47:53.720 the phone with my friend and she ordered a chop 1:47:53.840 --> 1:47:55.960 cheese on the phone, and then yesterday I got a 1:47:56.040 --> 1:47:56.479 chop cheese. 1:47:56.479 --> 1:47:58.400 Have I ordered a chop cheese one time in my life? Never? 1:47:59.400 --> 1:48:05.040 Just inspiration? I would say influence following If you're influenced, yeah, 1:48:05.160 --> 1:48:07.040 but you're also open to trying new things, like I 1:48:07.040 --> 1:48:08.720 would hear chop cheese. Wouldn't get that. I don't even 1:48:08.720 --> 1:48:09.200 know what that means. 1:48:09.240 --> 1:48:09.680 What does that mean? 1:48:09.760 --> 1:48:10.360 What's the meat in it? 1:48:10.640 --> 1:48:13.680 It's it's like a burger, but it's chopped up with 1:48:13.920 --> 1:48:16.160 the cheese in a bread like roller hero. 1:48:16.400 --> 1:48:19.519 But I lettuce and onions and mayo. 1:48:20.280 --> 1:48:22.760 Sorry, okay, okay, okay, I wonder if you could do 1:48:22.800 --> 1:48:25.760 that with impossible meat anyway, He asked if I wanted 1:48:25.840 --> 1:48:28.519 ketchup too, But I don't like ketchup in my sandwich, 1:48:28.640 --> 1:48:30.240 in my stuff or even my burger. 1:48:30.600 --> 1:48:32.760 I like it on the side for dip to ding. 1:48:33.600 --> 1:48:35.439 I wouldn't even dip the burger. I'd rather have mayo. 1:48:35.560 --> 1:48:38.280 I'd rather have like a fun little sauce, the Shakeshack sauce. 1:48:38.320 --> 1:48:40.080 Like I don't want ket Yeah, I mustard. 1:48:39.760 --> 1:48:40.280 On my burger. 1:48:40.479 --> 1:48:42.960 Really, that's my preference, is a mayo or a or 1:48:43.000 --> 1:48:45.280 a sauce. But if I don't have that, I need ketchup, 1:48:45.320 --> 1:48:48.160 like I need something to like lubricate the sandwich. 1:48:48.240 --> 1:48:51.120 Sorry to that word, but like I grease is lubricant 1:48:51.240 --> 1:48:51.640 enough for me. 1:48:52.240 --> 1:48:53.280 I just can't too dry. 1:48:54.560 --> 1:48:57.120 But that'd be the merch grease is lubricant enough for me? 1:48:58.120 --> 1:49:00.160 Please let us know if you would like like a 1:49:00.280 --> 1:49:05.240 dishrag that says please let us know, please, handkerchief? Should 1:49:05.240 --> 1:49:07.439 we make bandanas? What do you guys use? 1:49:09.160 --> 1:49:11.080 Like, I don't get it. I don't know what to do. 1:49:11.439 --> 1:49:13.439 The environment's fucked, like I don't know. 1:49:14.160 --> 1:49:18.679 Yeah, this weekend, but from throwing things away giving things away, 1:49:19.600 --> 1:49:22.240 I got and I got rid of maybe six or 1:49:22.360 --> 1:49:23.200 seven bags. 1:49:23.720 --> 1:49:27.040 Oh, everything is still full to the brim. Like I 1:49:27.200 --> 1:49:28.800 don't know how I'm I don't know that. 1:49:28.960 --> 1:49:31.560 I don't know how it Like it's so hard to 1:49:31.640 --> 1:49:34.880 actually declutter. I mean, I don't know. Maybe a professional 1:49:34.960 --> 1:49:35.280 I don't know. 1:49:36.479 --> 1:49:39.680 But also like Terry, Okay, Terry's hot now too, but 1:49:39.840 --> 1:49:42.120 like I just think like he's one of the great 1:49:42.160 --> 1:49:46.559 faces underrated of our time. Young Terry is throughout. Oh 1:49:46.600 --> 1:49:48.840 my god, yesterday I had the gayest night of my life. Actually, 1:49:49.000 --> 1:49:51.240 so my friend we my friend hosted a Sex and 1:49:51.280 --> 1:49:52.680 the City trivia board game night. 1:49:53.080 --> 1:49:55.160 I love it, and so me and the other girl 1:49:55.240 --> 1:49:55.479 that came. 1:49:55.560 --> 1:49:57.320 I came in a beret holding a McDonald's like I 1:49:57.320 --> 1:49:59.240 have a McDonald's backpack. And then she came in a 1:49:59.280 --> 1:50:01.200 top hat with a WHI so like we you know, 1:50:01.280 --> 1:50:03.439 I brought an entimens for like you know that the 1:50:03.960 --> 1:50:08.439 I'm Keeping the Baby episode like we were in and yeah, 1:50:09.000 --> 1:50:11.000 we like watched Sex and the City on you played 1:50:11.040 --> 1:50:15.479 the board game. Then we started watching Titanic screen tests 1:50:15.600 --> 1:50:18.640 on YouTube and it was Kate with Jeremy Sisto did 1:50:18.680 --> 1:50:21.000 a full screen test with Kate Winslet. And then we 1:50:21.160 --> 1:50:23.800 just started looking at old Leonard DiCaprio. Then we watched 1:50:23.800 --> 1:50:26.720 Britney Spears making of a video crazy and I was 1:50:26.880 --> 1:50:28.439 like and then I went I didn't go home. 1:50:28.479 --> 1:50:31.320 I went out to the bars. But what a what 1:50:31.439 --> 1:50:31.920 a gay night? 1:50:32.800 --> 1:50:33.479 Such a gay night? 1:50:33.560 --> 1:50:35.240 Wait? Wait man, there were two gay men there. That 1:50:35.439 --> 1:50:36.400 that makes it gay as well? 1:50:37.000 --> 1:50:39.280 Was the board game? Like you had to no trivia? 1:50:39.920 --> 1:50:42.840 Like oh yeah, And like so Drew's boyfriend ned like 1:50:42.960 --> 1:50:45.040 he's watched it once. Maybe he's also ten year like 1:50:45.120 --> 1:50:48.599 younger than us, but and he but he's really smart. 1:50:48.880 --> 1:50:52.720 He went to Stanford, so he fucking he was kind 1:50:52.760 --> 1:50:54.439 of a genius. Because it was like, what is the 1:50:54.479 --> 1:50:57.800 car that chip the stockbroker that dated Samantha drove and 1:50:57.880 --> 1:50:59.400 the three of us knew immediately. We all looked at 1:50:59.439 --> 1:51:01.800 each other like media, melissa'scous and Melissa Rich she did 1:51:01.800 --> 1:51:04.240 the Sex and the City bus tour. So like we 1:51:04.600 --> 1:51:08.599 just and he goes, well, the timing is before g Wagon, 1:51:08.720 --> 1:51:10.760 it wouldn't be a land Rover. What is the g 1:51:10.920 --> 1:51:13.160 Wagon douche car of that time? And then he was 1:51:13.240 --> 1:51:15.439 able to guess Hummer, and I'm like, that's that's an 1:51:15.479 --> 1:51:16.360 Ivy League education. 1:51:16.920 --> 1:51:18.000 Yeah, that's the. 1:51:18.479 --> 1:51:21.120 Process of elimination. Like you don't know the answer, but 1:51:21.240 --> 1:51:22.000 you can. Yeah. 1:51:22.240 --> 1:51:25.400 It was like incredible to wash but we knew every Yeah. 1:51:25.439 --> 1:51:27.439 It's it's you roll a dice, you get trivia. You 1:51:27.520 --> 1:51:30.439 want the there's like the big deal car at a 1:51:30.479 --> 1:51:33.599 friend of me car. There's cars. It's convoluted for some reason. Yeah, 1:51:34.080 --> 1:51:35.920 and then sometimes you have to ask stuff out. But 1:51:36.240 --> 1:51:40.680 it's trivia. It's like most it's hardcore trivia. But one 1:51:40.720 --> 1:51:42.760 of the cards is that you don't want is Walk 1:51:42.840 --> 1:51:47.280 of Shame and it says you're moving to Brooklyn. It's 1:51:47.320 --> 1:51:51.000 like an old game. It's an old game. We are 1:51:51.080 --> 1:51:57.360 moving to Brooklyn. It was really really fun. But I 1:51:57.400 --> 1:51:58.840 don't know why I starting about Leo Oh, one of 1:51:58.840 --> 1:51:59.920 the greatest faces of our time. 1:52:00.439 --> 1:52:02.720 I don't think like Leo and Titanic. 1:52:03.280 --> 1:52:05.200 It's kind of like Brittany and Baby one more time, 1:52:05.240 --> 1:52:06.599 Like I don't know if we have had such an 1:52:06.680 --> 1:52:13.600 earth shattering face moment act ever again like him on 1:52:13.760 --> 1:52:16.000 the doc, Like I don't know, I don't know if 1:52:16.000 --> 1:52:20.120 there's a better face than Leo and Titanic. Interesting, Okay, 1:52:20.880 --> 1:52:24.400 I mean, do you have even a suggestion? Because I 1:52:24.439 --> 1:52:27.040 think Brad Pitt is very hot? But then yeah, think 1:52:27.320 --> 1:52:29.559 then because in seven, like he is hot, but then 1:52:29.600 --> 1:52:33.439 you're like next to Leo, I said, Icanic Leo. 1:52:33.720 --> 1:52:38.639 No, I don't know, I think because I'm just gonna say, 1:52:38.720 --> 1:52:40.320 I don't know if this is real. I don't know. 1:52:40.800 --> 1:52:45.000 I because I watched Leonardo DiCaprio on Growing Pains Cprio 1:52:45.680 --> 1:52:52.120 di Cprio, But because I watched him on Growing Pains 1:52:52.120 --> 1:52:54.400 when he was like thirteen. For some reason, in my mind, 1:52:54.479 --> 1:52:56.920 he's like never aged more than thirteen. Like to me, 1:52:57.000 --> 1:53:00.360 he's a boy still. And I've always been hot for 1:53:00.439 --> 1:53:02.639 Brad Pitt, so like I would say, a Brad Pitt 1:53:02.640 --> 1:53:05.400 would always win for me over But even though I 1:53:05.439 --> 1:53:07.639 think even I'm not Brad Pitt's personality and like whatever 1:53:07.680 --> 1:53:08.920 he's done recently. 1:53:08.840 --> 1:53:12.000 No, Okay, the iconic I guess Hot Brad would be 1:53:12.120 --> 1:53:14.679 fight Club, but it was not as pivotal, earth shaking 1:53:14.960 --> 1:53:18.719 of a look and a heart throbbingness as Leo and Titanic. 1:53:19.040 --> 1:53:22.120 So we're not even just talking hot, We're talking a 1:53:22.360 --> 1:53:28.040 generational changing face moment move. That's why no one's recreated Brittany. 1:53:28.080 --> 1:53:29.960 No one has had a Britney moment where it's like 1:53:30.680 --> 1:53:33.200 she went down that hallway, she clicked her little pencil 1:53:33.600 --> 1:53:39.719 and the world changed. Pop music changed, aesthetics changed, everything changed. 1:53:40.160 --> 1:53:42.080 And that's how I feel with Leo and Titanic, Like 1:53:42.200 --> 1:53:45.920 I can't think of a and I'm sure our listeners 1:53:45.960 --> 1:53:48.040 will let me know, but like I can't think of. 1:53:48.920 --> 1:53:50.479 I think a lot of people kind of say that, 1:53:50.640 --> 1:53:53.439 like he's pretty iconic in like Legends of the Fall. 1:53:53.640 --> 1:53:55.320 I think a lot of people that did not change 1:53:55.360 --> 1:53:57.280 the culture. You're out of your mind. You're out of 1:53:57.360 --> 1:53:57.640 your mind. 1:53:57.720 --> 1:53:59.439 Here you are reaching, you are reaching. 1:53:59.600 --> 1:54:05.840 I'm literally just you'r honor, she's reaching sustained. Okay, I'll stop. 1:54:06.040 --> 1:54:07.080 Legends of the Fall. 1:54:07.160 --> 1:54:09.280 I don't even think that even gross one hundred million dollars, 1:54:09.360 --> 1:54:10.280 you are out of your mind. 1:54:10.640 --> 1:54:15.639 Ah, that no, I'm looking up Legends of the Fall 1:54:15.760 --> 1:54:19.760 gross right now, My god, one hundred and sixty worldwide, 1:54:19.760 --> 1:54:21.320 one hundred and sixty million worldwide. 1:54:21.520 --> 1:54:25.000 I take it back, and I apologize, but no, I 1:54:25.120 --> 1:54:27.800 hear what you're saying. Him on the door, that's what 1:54:27.880 --> 1:54:30.360 you mean, him on the door, him on the dock, 1:54:30.560 --> 1:54:34.560 just the face. Yeah, yeah, the nervous this like sweet Bowl. 1:54:34.840 --> 1:54:40.160 Titanic was a Titanic was a cultural like Touchtows because 1:54:40.160 --> 1:54:43.080 then you watched Jeremy Cisto's screen test and you're like, 1:54:43.200 --> 1:54:47.520 walk the plank, get out the go, find the heart 1:54:47.560 --> 1:54:48.560 of the ocean, get. 1:54:48.440 --> 1:54:48.800 Out of here. 1:54:49.600 --> 1:54:51.720 Yuh bitch, I'm sorry, I got so passionate. I just 1:54:52.120 --> 1:54:54.240 and I would like to know of another one the 1:54:54.320 --> 1:54:55.760 thing at the end of the day. I would like 1:54:55.880 --> 1:54:58.880 to know what rivals that moment, and maybe there's something 1:54:59.040 --> 1:55:03.440 before my time. I just, of course there's something before 1:55:03.480 --> 1:55:05.760 my time, like Robert Redford, like I know there's. 1:55:05.640 --> 1:55:08.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's other, There's yeah, there's other Like. 1:55:08.240 --> 1:55:08.520 Yeah, I. 1:55:10.320 --> 1:55:14.720 Understand in my time of consciousness from like mid nineties 1:55:14.800 --> 1:55:18.960 to today, I don't think that level of like beauty 1:55:19.320 --> 1:55:22.200 acting cultural impact has been replicated. 1:55:22.960 --> 1:55:25.280 Okay, I hope. I hope people write in and tell 1:55:25.360 --> 1:55:27.080 us to go to our Instagram and tell us what 1:55:27.120 --> 1:55:27.640 you guys think. 1:55:28.360 --> 1:55:31.800 Brad is the closest because that movie was huge, Yes, 1:55:32.160 --> 1:55:34.640 and those muscles he was, you know, but it was 1:55:34.760 --> 1:55:36.640 dirty and he fucked a lot in that movie. 1:55:36.680 --> 1:55:40.680 It was like, you know, yeah, I mean, oh god, 1:55:40.840 --> 1:55:43.240 it's like I think about his Thelma and Louise. But again, 1:55:43.640 --> 1:55:46.120 he was a very small part in that movie. Yeah, 1:55:46.160 --> 1:55:47.800 he's a very small part in that. He's just so 1:55:48.080 --> 1:55:50.680 hot and that I think was like what broke him. 1:55:51.040 --> 1:55:54.040 But okay, let's do our quick post mortem on this. 1:55:54.280 --> 1:55:55.800 I did have a crime thing. Let me just say 1:55:55.800 --> 1:55:59.160 a crime thing, okay, okay, okay. So I saw this 1:55:59.320 --> 1:56:00.160 obviously video. 1:56:00.040 --> 1:56:02.320 On the internet. Where'd you think I saw it? Okay? 1:56:02.560 --> 1:56:05.840 So it's about the Idaho murders. And what I really 1:56:05.960 --> 1:56:07.960 liked about this woman she was speaking about the killer 1:56:08.160 --> 1:56:11.200 and she used his prison numbers. She referred to him 1:56:11.200 --> 1:56:13.160 as his prison numbers. She did not say his name, 1:56:13.240 --> 1:56:15.000 and I liked that, and I think that a big 1:56:15.080 --> 1:56:18.520 fuck you to like, you know, people like that. But 1:56:18.920 --> 1:56:21.600 she said, you know, there's a theory conspiracy. 1:56:21.760 --> 1:56:23.640 I don't know. I'm actually I wish I was more 1:56:23.680 --> 1:56:24.520 familiar with the case. 1:56:24.960 --> 1:56:28.640 So there was a dog and the dog didn't react 1:56:28.840 --> 1:56:31.520 or get hurt, Like, the dog was fine, and so 1:56:32.200 --> 1:56:35.760 there's a theory that she, one of the victims did. 1:56:35.880 --> 1:56:37.720 Like the survivor said that one of the victims felt 1:56:37.720 --> 1:56:40.520 like she was being watched and stuff. And at one 1:56:40.640 --> 1:56:43.680 point the dog ran into the woods behind the house 1:56:43.760 --> 1:56:46.720 and didn't come back for a while, and they noticed 1:56:46.720 --> 1:56:49.480 that he was doing that often, and they think that 1:56:50.040 --> 1:56:52.320 because she felt watched and that the dog might have 1:56:52.400 --> 1:56:54.120 knew him, that he was in the woods kind of 1:56:54.200 --> 1:56:57.200 feeding treats to the dog and like getting the dogs 1:56:57.320 --> 1:57:00.920 used to him. Yeah, so by the time he came back, 1:57:01.000 --> 1:57:03.240 it was like, oh, that's my you know friend in 1:57:03.320 --> 1:57:04.880 the woods that gave me food. 1:57:05.720 --> 1:57:12.360 Oh shit, yeah yeah, that's chilling. 1:57:12.480 --> 1:57:14.440 Yeah, like that the dog didn't bark or like no 1:57:14.520 --> 1:57:17.040 one heard barking or anything you know that would that 1:57:17.120 --> 1:57:19.000 would be that is interesting. 1:57:19.160 --> 1:57:23.400 Fuck, that's a crazy theory. Yeah yeah, I mean also 1:57:23.440 --> 1:57:25.520 sentence Lands the Coveting. Yeah, I thought I thought about 1:57:25.520 --> 1:57:27.000 you watching that movie. I mean I thought about you 1:57:27.120 --> 1:57:29.320 guys watching it as a family, and I think that's like, 1:57:29.480 --> 1:57:32.320 you know something that's fun, but yeah, pretty fucked. 1:57:32.680 --> 1:57:35.000 I mean think about us sitting around the table, like 1:57:35.120 --> 1:57:37.960 we watched it as kids alone, like without our parents, 1:57:38.360 --> 1:57:41.360 and then at the table we would be like, uh, 1:57:41.760 --> 1:57:44.120 I'm looking for a Frederica Bimmel. Like we would literally 1:57:44.320 --> 1:57:48.040 just do accents. We would be like, we would just 1:57:48.160 --> 1:57:51.920 do all the voices and be like, uh, you know, 1:57:52.360 --> 1:57:54.640 like would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. We would 1:57:54.680 --> 1:57:56.280 like do that at the dinner table, and our parents 1:57:56.280 --> 1:57:57.600 would be like, what are you doing? 1:57:57.880 --> 1:57:58.920 You know, so. 1:58:00.560 --> 1:58:02.800 Like, yeah, I woke up the morning after the Oscars. 1:58:02.440 --> 1:58:03.200 And was like did it win? 1:58:03.480 --> 1:58:05.600 Like we were so obsessed with that movie, even though 1:58:05.600 --> 1:58:08.200 it terrified me so deeply, I don't think. I think 1:58:08.200 --> 1:58:13.040 I also probably didn't understand when I watched it, like 1:58:13.840 --> 1:58:16.000 exactly what was happening. Like I don't think I realized 1:58:16.000 --> 1:58:17.840 he was making suits out of women's skin. The first 1:58:17.880 --> 1:58:20.080 time I watched it. I was like twelve, you know, 1:58:20.320 --> 1:58:22.280 Like I think I was like, oh, he's killing women 1:58:22.360 --> 1:58:24.200 and putting them down the well and whatever, Like I 1:58:24.280 --> 1:58:26.840 didn't understand the whole like they're down the well so 1:58:26.920 --> 1:58:28.920 he can starve them so their skin can be bigger, 1:58:29.040 --> 1:58:32.000 like any of that like so it's really such a 1:58:32.080 --> 1:58:33.560 terrifying movie, but I love it so much. 1:58:34.360 --> 1:58:36.400 Is so cute, and also like the scene where like 1:58:36.480 --> 1:58:38.840 she does she shoots him and then you know she 1:58:39.080 --> 1:58:43.080 like the terror on her face that one hurt the oscar. 1:58:42.920 --> 1:58:47.120 Right like it was like I mean, yeah, yeah, Anthony 1:58:47.400 --> 1:58:52.360 Hopkins like so scary forever, like even when he plays normal, 1:58:52.480 --> 1:58:53.360 Like well, then I went. 1:58:53.280 --> 1:58:54.480 To sleep too. Hannibal. 1:58:55.280 --> 1:58:58.160 Oh my god, I put on Hannibal on my laptop 1:58:58.240 --> 1:58:59.040 and went to bed. 1:59:00.200 --> 1:59:01.840 The movie of that and the show I watched the 1:59:01.880 --> 1:59:04.040 show Hannibal that was crazy with Matts Michaelson. 1:59:04.120 --> 1:59:06.480 I remember read Dragon because I was obsessed with Edward Norton. 1:59:06.680 --> 1:59:08.680 But oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's. 1:59:10.280 --> 1:59:10.760 The switch. 1:59:10.960 --> 1:59:13.000 Like I don't know, I don't like Julian Moore as 1:59:13.800 --> 1:59:17.160 the character have a different character, different detective. 1:59:17.880 --> 1:59:18.800 Yeah, I don't get it. 1:59:19.080 --> 1:59:23.120 It's weird. Okay, let's wrap up. Let's get to our 1:59:23.120 --> 1:59:27.480 what would Sister Peg do this week? Obviously, I mean 1:59:27.560 --> 1:59:29.600 we barely did a post mortem, but the post mortem 1:59:29.720 --> 1:59:32.240 is the fucking cops are a lot of the times 1:59:32.680 --> 1:59:35.839 making money and corrupt. So that's the that's the takeaway. 1:59:36.160 --> 1:59:37.760 So this week for our what would Sister peg do, 1:59:37.840 --> 1:59:40.280 which is our weekly segment where we direct you towards 1:59:40.520 --> 1:59:43.680 an organization or a book or an article or something 1:59:43.720 --> 1:59:45.560 to give you more information about what we talked about. 1:59:46.040 --> 1:59:50.600 We wanted to point you to the National Police Accountability Project. 1:59:51.040 --> 1:59:53.960 This organization is quote one of the few national organizations 1:59:54.000 --> 1:59:56.640 that focus is solely on ending law enforcement overreach and 1:59:56.760 --> 2:00:00.560 abuse of power. They provide support to their network of 2:00:00.600 --> 2:00:02.920 over five hundred civil rights attorneys that file thousands of 2:00:02.960 --> 2:00:06.520 lawsuits against police departments, jails, and prisons, holding officers account 2:00:06.520 --> 2:00:09.920 accountable for its conduct. Beyond the courtroom, they help shape 2:00:10.080 --> 2:00:12.480 laws and work with communities to drive real change. So 2:00:13.000 --> 2:00:15.120 to find out more about this organization or donate, you 2:00:15.160 --> 2:00:22.280 can go over to NLG dash NPAP dot org. And 2:00:22.360 --> 2:00:23.920 I don't know what the NLG is for, but the 2:00:24.040 --> 2:00:28.600 NPAP is National Police Accountability Projects, So NLGH NPAP dot org. 2:00:28.880 --> 2:00:30.640 We put that in our show notes as a link. 2:00:30.760 --> 2:00:33.040 We put that in our stories as a link the 2:00:33.120 --> 2:00:34.760 day this episode comes out and then it gets saved 2:00:34.800 --> 2:00:38.640 forever in our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram page which 2:00:38.720 --> 2:00:41.480 is thats Messed Up pod go follow tell us what 2:00:41.600 --> 2:00:43.280 you tell us your thoughts. We asked a lot of 2:00:43.360 --> 2:00:47.000 questions today that we need your feedback on, including more 2:00:47.200 --> 2:00:50.120 iconic than Leo on the doc and merch ideas and 2:00:50.360 --> 2:00:51.000 everything else. 2:00:51.160 --> 2:00:53.400 Go and tell us for a lot, for sure, but 2:00:53.560 --> 2:00:57.560 also thank you for all the laser hair stuff. 2:00:57.680 --> 2:00:58.800 I'm not gonna buy it. 2:00:59.800 --> 2:01:01.840 Yeah, you know what I want to know now? Can 2:01:01.920 --> 2:01:04.120 somebody tell me this? If you listen to the end 2:01:04.120 --> 2:01:06.400 of this podcast, I'll be so happy and I'll know 2:01:06.440 --> 2:01:08.680 who you are. I want to know if that nory 2:01:09.800 --> 2:01:11.920 iron where you don't have to use an ironing board, 2:01:12.160 --> 2:01:14.640 you just flatten iron your clothes. 2:01:14.960 --> 2:01:16.200 Does that work? Is that good? 2:01:16.400 --> 2:01:18.920 Because that's they're hitting me up NonStop and I would 2:01:19.000 --> 2:01:20.560 love to not iron with an ironing board, but I 2:01:20.600 --> 2:01:22.800 don't know if that works. So to me, it looks 2:01:22.840 --> 2:01:24.920 like I'm using my hair straightener to iron my clothes. 2:01:24.960 --> 2:01:26.160 And I didn't know if that was like a thing 2:01:26.160 --> 2:01:27.920 I could actually do. So let me know if you 2:01:28.000 --> 2:01:28.680 have that and you use it. 2:01:28.760 --> 2:01:31.440 Okay, Also done someone with a mini iron recently, like 2:01:31.480 --> 2:01:34.640 a tiny little mini iron, oh for the hair. No, 2:01:34.960 --> 2:01:37.600 like it looks like an iron, like an iron that 2:01:37.680 --> 2:01:40.960 your mom would use. But ah, but okay, I love it. 2:01:41.080 --> 2:01:43.640 Next week we'll be doing Closure Part one and two, 2:01:44.280 --> 2:01:47.160 so season one episode ten and season two episode three, 2:01:47.360 --> 2:01:48.000 So get at it. 2:01:48.120 --> 2:01:50.840 We appreciate you, Thanks so much, forever, bye bye. 2:01:50.960 --> 2:01:51.600 We love you guys. 2:02:00.080 --> 2:02:02.160 That's Messed Up as an Exactly Right production. 2:02:02.600 --> 2:02:04.640 If you have compliments you'd like to give us or 2:02:04.760 --> 2:02:07.000 episodes you'd like us to cover, shoot us an email 2:02:07.040 --> 2:02:10.320 it That's Messed uppod at gmail dot com. 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