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Speaker 1: What is your shot? I'm staying on the summer saying this.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I can't. We're not gonna let
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Speaker 1: not take a shot for you. I'm gonna take a
Speaker 1: shot of all right, take you shot. I'll take a
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Speaker 1: gonna keep you with that, all right? Cool? Alright, so
Speaker 1: listen one of the shot shot one or the other
Speaker 1: or you pig boat. You gotta take a shot. Y'all.
Speaker 1: Guys are whipping out, but it's okay, him out in
Speaker 1: case you I don't know. Our shows about giving people
Speaker 1: the flowers, we made that. We I didn't think up
Speaker 1: a statement, but I made it famous. People will say
Speaker 1: we're giving people your flowers. I don't want you to
Speaker 1: have to pass away or you have anything. All this
Speaker 1: We're gonna tell you this why you're alive while you're here.
Speaker 1: God damn it. We appreciate it. You're fucking held me
Speaker 1: and my whole household down. I got five TVs and
Speaker 1: no filer hold on. I'm just want to say there's
Speaker 1: a normal Peace Parts Committee listening. Yes, no bullshit. You
Speaker 1: guys deserving and deserving because we know a lot of
Speaker 1: people committed suicide during the quarantines and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Stuff like what you guys were doing probably saved a
Speaker 1: lot of lives. Well, and I'm not even talking about
Speaker 1: the artist side of it. People were vitalizing careers. Did
Speaker 1: you understand I'm sorry to cut you off. Do you
Speaker 1: understand that I got dipped to stay in my house?
Speaker 1: You want to say that again? I got fresh. He
Speaker 1: went to the club in the next room, and I
Speaker 1: got to cover in the next room like Nickel Persons
Speaker 1: is on the night, someone was doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't care if Nick see me or not. I
Speaker 1: got fresh, Nigga, I was Amazon dot com. You see
Speaker 1: me all that, y'all You know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: y'all held it down, Like y'all really deserve your roses,
Speaker 1: but it deserve your flowers. That was a great moment
Speaker 1: in hip hop, and it's from two brothers that on
Speaker 1: fight and Night. Still yes, and that's the only thing
Speaker 1: I said. That's the only down for because I feel
Speaker 1: like Timberland is bringing Missy out tonight. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: throw that out there. Is that happening. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you straight up, no, No, I'm making this up. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take a shot. I just made that up. That's
Speaker 1: what do you want coming up? I don't feel you're
Speaker 1: gonna tell us right now, man, No, I would tell you.
Speaker 1: I don't feel we need no. I like to feel
Speaker 1: like you know, I ain't gonna lie buster, gone buster,
Speaker 1: gonna bully one of your stages. No, I don't want no, man,
Speaker 1: Come on, man, who was the illest person that you
Speaker 1: told you? There was a fan of you that you
Speaker 1: was like, wow, it was personal study, all right. So
Speaker 1: it's a dope story. Right. So my first album, my
Speaker 1: first album is not even out yet, and we're in
Speaker 1: an airport. It's me and a couple of my niggers,
Speaker 1: and Lauren Fishburn walked past just randomly, like we're like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, fucking Lauren Trishburn. We don't have no album,
Speaker 1: so we like talking to see Laurence Fishburn. He's like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: he loved Lauren Frishburn. No homo. So Jim is sitting there, Jim,
Speaker 1: it's like, y'all was a choice or Russ And if
Speaker 1: you call him Larry. He loses his mind. He don't
Speaker 1: like to be called Larry. So my man is an ass.
Speaker 1: So he died, I'm in fact show and got blessed.
Speaker 1: The day he like, yo, Larry, he looked to be
Speaker 1: like he looked, He's like, yo, I said, what's up Larry? Ship,
Speaker 1: So Lauren Fishburn stops and walks over and says, what
Speaker 1: you just call me? Yes? And the airpoint he's like,
Speaker 1: what did you call me? He's like, I said, what's up, Larry?
Speaker 1: What's was happening? So we're like, yo, we fans this stand.
Speaker 1: The third he tuned in us out. He's like, YO,
Speaker 1: why are you calling me larr? He said, because that
Speaker 1: should name? He said, my name is Lawrence. He said,
Speaker 1: your name is Larry. Hilarious. I'll get it. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you this story, so about to do research on it.
Speaker 1: His name was Larry when he was young, but then
Speaker 1: after hig your learning he changed at the Lawrence, I
Speaker 1: guess Larry's will and niggery, and then he did learning,
Speaker 1: saying he want to be like Propa Black, the Matrix
Speaker 1: and all this ship. So anyway, he like, man, fuck you.
Speaker 1: He telling my man that we like yo, don't listen
Speaker 1: to him, Jim that just did a scene on New
Speaker 1: York Undercover as an extra and he active say, Jim
Speaker 1: was like an extra New York under Camel. That's side
Speaker 1: you know, no alum out he's promotion ship. So he
Speaker 1: walks off. You're like, yo, why you do that? Sean, Like,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? Like man, funk that your name
Speaker 1: is Larry. So we're chilling like sen minutes later, this
Speaker 1: nigga come back. It's sitting next to us. Be like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: don't worry about him. He now he over here, my
Speaker 1: man Sean over there, be like, yo, man, we fens
Speaker 1: Jim like, I'm like, my man was just on New
Speaker 1: York going to cover. If you can help us out
Speaker 1: with the little acting, a little gigg and all that ship,
Speaker 1: I'm not helping y'all, And be like, what's wrong man?
Speaker 1: Like you with somebody who keep calling me laughry my
Speaker 1: man lean over and say your name is laughing and
Speaker 1: don't ask me again? Lord fishburn, get up, get out,
Speaker 1: taking his wallet out, putting my men face. What does
Speaker 1: that say? My men is like, I don't care what
Speaker 1: he's say. Your name's laughery, so we like your fuck him, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm about to be a rapper. Snicker. My man is
Speaker 1: acting to stand the third Yo. So the Laura fisherroom. Wow.
Speaker 1: So he says, Yo, stop acting me for helping. Man.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, fun, I'm not helping y'all.
Speaker 1: Just think you gotta understand. So now Jim is basically
Speaker 1: begging Lord Fishburn. Now I'm like, are you fuck you laughing?
Speaker 1: Get the funk out of here, like kissing your glass, man,
Speaker 1: fucking matter of fact, I'm about to swing on you.
Speaker 1: So like Fishburn, like you backed up. This nigga pulled
Speaker 1: some gloves out of his pocket and put on his gloves.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I looked at my man team, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're about to jump this nigger. So he just looked
Speaker 1: and walked off like the like a movie, like just
Speaker 1: walked off into the ship. And I'm like, my man,
Speaker 1: show like you an asshole? I said, I got tired
Speaker 1: of kissing his ass. He was like, nah, he was
Speaker 1: on the verge of snuffing me. Man, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: fall out. You funked up everything, brother, I said, I
Speaker 1: can't take it no more anyway fast for it than
Speaker 1: to answer your question. My man is driving my pink
Speaker 1: range over one day at Halo like stuff like like
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, like Fish Lawrence Lag whatever. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: camera pink range over. He's like yes, my man, he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: So that guy love his music. Man, I'm a big
Speaker 1: fucking fan of camera man. You let him know that.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Lawrence, don't even know that was list
Speaker 1: in the airport like fucking six years ago that she
Speaker 1: was going crazy because Nikka called you Larry. Now you're
Speaker 1: a fan of my music, my nigga. Look look at that,
Speaker 1: my nigga. So that's an ill person who I would
Speaker 1: say is a fan who basically shipped on us and
Speaker 1: told us to fucking kick Rocks and get the funk
Speaker 1: out of here. Because my man was going crazy on
Speaker 1: that guy, Lawrence. I was. I was scared. Now, don't
Speaker 1: call him Larry. Yeah, yeah, man, you don't like Larry
Speaker 1: if you want to be laurrenus. Yeah. So back to
Speaker 1: the versus Um. It was a collective decision, you know,
Speaker 1: although I called him with um the vibe of what
Speaker 1: we should do because the deal that we had on
Speaker 1: the table was amazing. The deal, it was amazing, and
Speaker 1: we didn't have to move no luggage out of the house.
Speaker 1: But imagine having like one of the biggest deals ever
Speaker 1: and not being happy about it. Can I stopped before
Speaker 1: on a second because everyone kind of thought when we
Speaker 1: started to see Apple TV pop up, that's what y'all
Speaker 1: was doing the deal. So so what happened is if
Speaker 1: you can say it's business, it's not nothing personal. It's
Speaker 1: just business. You know, shout out to Apple, shout to
Speaker 1: La Jackson. We had a great time. They they they
Speaker 1: you know, they supported us and helped us elevate to
Speaker 1: a different level. And we appreciate all the support from everyone.
Speaker 1: But that you know, we can't just only be creatives.
Speaker 1: We have to be business people. Like this is the
Speaker 1: music business, the creative business, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: leave out the business parts when all the business people
Speaker 1: are taking advantage of the creative. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I was luckily to be able
Speaker 1: to go back to school and shopping my pencil and
Speaker 1: actually really lock in and and have a focus with strategies.
Speaker 1: And although me and Tim didn't start versus thinking about
Speaker 1: business or thinking about finances, it just happened to turn
Speaker 1: into that, which is why it was so beautiful, and
Speaker 1: it just it just happened, you know, the universe just
Speaker 1: happened to want to just do extra things for us. Um.
Speaker 1: But we were just basically having fun. But when it
Speaker 1: when it started coming to the business, we had to
Speaker 1: be shop as well because people started coming to you
Speaker 1: with business. It wasn't like you planned that people started
Speaker 1: coming to you because of the numbers just gone. We
Speaker 1: turned down so many, so much, We turned out so
Speaker 1: much and everybody, we turned down everything. Only the reason
Speaker 1: why we turned down everything was because you know, um,
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to get go to the penthouse. Like first,
Speaker 1: they just wanted to just go to the penhouse. They
Speaker 1: didn't even want to know the structure of the building.
Speaker 1: They just knew it was a quick ride to the penthouse,
Speaker 1: a quick ride with our culture, quick ride in the
Speaker 1: v I p with our culture. And we're gatekeepers of
Speaker 1: our culture. So we can't allow that, you understand. So
Speaker 1: when it came to making this decision, I was like
Speaker 1: man and I was me and timidtic kind of sense.
Speaker 1: It's like, yo, I always see like one or two
Speaker 1: of us getting the bags and being a part of
Speaker 1: the big picture. But it's it's a it's a group
Speaker 1: of us that make these apps work and that make
Speaker 1: these different things for giving it the value. So my
Speaker 1: thing is like, imagine if we could bring forty three
Speaker 1: artists with us to go ring the bell and you know,
Speaker 1: and and go public. You know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: this is this when when when when Triller go public,
Speaker 1: this would be the biggest creative public offering in the
Speaker 1: history ever, ever, ever. And even the artists that we
Speaker 1: gave our personal shares too, they don't even probably understand
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be yet, but we have good intents.
Speaker 1: And it was like, Yo, these people started and they
Speaker 1: showed up with us, and they should go all the
Speaker 1: way to ringing that bell and and go on public
Speaker 1: with us, And it's just what we're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: We should get people used to taking kids three and
Speaker 1: fifty artist because people don't know probably what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: that you gave shares, your personal shares to the folks
Speaker 1: that had already done vers versus up to that point, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and which is unheard of. Nobody's doing deals like that, no,
Speaker 1: because you know, every artist was compensated in some type
Speaker 1: of way for doing versus or just whatever. We let
Speaker 1: them keep everything. We took nothing from the artists, like
Speaker 1: when they get a sponsor, they keep the money when
Speaker 1: they get bringing sponsors or whatever. And you see a
Speaker 1: lot of things on stage, it's because me and Tim
Speaker 1: agreed to let the artists eat and do what they
Speaker 1: need to do towards and that happening different things than
Speaker 1: that happening, you know, And they're coming out and in
Speaker 1: a hard time of COVID. Of course you bring a sponsor.
Speaker 1: Of course you can keep all of your sponsor money.
Speaker 1: We're not taxing you on nothing. And then we come
Speaker 1: back around and be like, yo, guess what on behalf
Speaker 1: of Tim and Swiss? Not only are you partners and
Speaker 1: versus your owner in Trailer, which is a billion points
Speaker 1: something value company. Wow, you understand that's today, that's not
Speaker 1: even with the I P O. Public. Yeah, but that
Speaker 1: that all makes sense. Later he makes a noise for that, Tim,
Speaker 1: im and be honest, I think get into the shot.
Speaker 1: I'll fun with you, man. So now let me fast forward. Boom,
Speaker 1: you work with Naws. You do this as and J
Speaker 1: actually have this moment against each other. Jay uses you
Speaker 1: as a punch line. He says, I know who I
Speaker 1: pay god Like publishing. Yeah, he said, but you weren't
Speaker 1: getting paid Dog, you were getting fucked. Then I know
Speaker 1: who I paid Dog, Starchily Publishing. So the story of
Speaker 1: the true story about that, it's really crazy. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a great story. So I'm the
Speaker 1: head of hr at def Jam and uh, they're about
Speaker 1: to put out that Reasonables Doubt and Kareem I think
Speaker 1: it was Kareem. It was either Kareem Dame and Jay
Speaker 1: or Dame and j come to my office and said, hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta clear this sample, this dead president sample. Take
Speaker 1: care of us. I said, okay, no problem, give me
Speaker 1: but just no, we're gonna have record on the publishing.
Speaker 1: He was like a right cool, and I was it.
Speaker 1: He gave me a check for I delivered it to Zambo.
Speaker 1: But if you look at the loner notes on dead Presidents,
Speaker 1: nas is one of the publishers. So I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that line can live as much as it lives. But
Speaker 1: Jay don't own a piece of Naz's catalog. But Nazzos
Speaker 1: and piece of Jay's catalog. And that's a fact. Though
Speaker 1: we didn't know that. We didn't because we don't like
Speaker 1: when He said that stas like publishing that um that
Speaker 1: he was meaning that that NAS and have none of
Speaker 1: his publics. No no, no, no, no no no, but
Speaker 1: I have a Yeah, I have a five percent admin fee,
Speaker 1: which I'm like to this day on those two albums.
Speaker 1: I just make sure like things like if NAS wants
Speaker 1: to do it, I just signed off. I said, like
Speaker 1: for me, like when I think about being a production company, right,
Speaker 1: I think there's two trains. I thought. Train one is
Speaker 1: the artists ain't ship and the production company makes all
Speaker 1: the money. Right. What a second train is the artists
Speaker 1: ain't ship, and I'm gonna figure out how to jerk
Speaker 1: the artists. That's most of how hip hop is running
Speaker 1: their production companies. I had a third train of thought,
Speaker 1: which was I wasn't gonna be the jew to take
Speaker 1: take advantage of a black man, so I don't need
Speaker 1: to get wealthy off and I don't. My checks are
Speaker 1: very humble, and I'm okay with that because they're gonna
Speaker 1: go for the rest of my life. You know, when
Speaker 1: you think about streaming today, right, and you think about
Speaker 1: all mattic Ellmatic stremes four hundred million a year to
Speaker 1: this day, I get my fair share. I don't get
Speaker 1: more than I deserve, I don't get less than I deserve.
Speaker 1: I get exactly what the contract says, in fact, and
Speaker 1: I'll keep it a book with all of y'all. Two
Speaker 1: thousand seven, I get a letter from Sony. They say, oh,
Speaker 1: we we overpaid you, so you're not gonna be getting
Speaker 1: a check. And my lawyer goes, oh, we're gonna sue
Speaker 1: and us we're not gonna let it rock. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: rek cool eventually. We're really cool, and we did like
Speaker 1: ten years because I don't give a fuck. What was
Speaker 1: the basis of them saying they overpaid They that the
Speaker 1: artist royalty that I got paid was congruent with what
Speaker 1: NAS was supposed to get paid. So I essentially got
Speaker 1: NAS royalties, but NASA didn't. It wasn't minus drof nazis ship.
Speaker 1: They basically paid like it was like double dipping. So
Speaker 1: they paid me exactly what they're paying NAS. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't accurate either, because the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: NAS was that like X amount of points and I
Speaker 1: was at three. So that was the only correction we
Speaker 1: told them, And after they made that correction, they fixed it.
Speaker 1: We kept it moving. It was done when and done,
Speaker 1: but it took like ten years for me to ever
Speaker 1: see another check and again. I'm okay with that because
Speaker 1: to me, the ability to earn isn't about one thing,
Speaker 1: right I learned a long time ago. It's not the
Speaker 1: strong who survives. It's a flexible right. So I would
Speaker 1: much rather fight Mike Tyson then a yogi, because Yogi's
Speaker 1: gonna bend me up in fucking ways that I'm never
Speaker 1: gonna get fixed again. At least with Mike. I know
Speaker 1: when it's coming, I see the punch coming. I know
Speaker 1: I'm going to get Yogi. Yoga like a yoga person.
Speaker 1: Yogi the guy who's like com bending because if he like,
Speaker 1: he fucking grabs you like Yogi grabs you grow and
Speaker 1: he starts, he knows how to bend up. You might
Speaker 1: get funked up for life. At least it Mike hits you.
Speaker 1: You want be in pain, Let's be real clear. You
Speaker 1: want to be in pain, but you're going to be
Speaker 1: able to recover. But if if a Yogi bend you
Speaker 1: in a way, your body might never recover. So I
Speaker 1: say I would much rather be flexible. I much I
Speaker 1: much rather be like water than be like a fucking wall.
Speaker 1: But did you receive like like slack because of that,
Speaker 1: because a lot of people, like I said, a lot
Speaker 1: of people took it as search on publishing. No, in fact,
Speaker 1: it was the exact opposite. Whenever that fucking verse came
Speaker 1: on in the club, I would get loved, like because
Speaker 1: my name got mentioned. People didn't even realize what it meant.
Speaker 1: They were like, oh ship, not Jay mentioned search. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: So you're sure he never got nothing bad, like even
Speaker 1: from like naas campus. It's all love all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, even like if you think about all the
Speaker 1: times Nasa has mentioned me on his records, there's like
Speaker 1: seven records where he mentioned like our friendship or how
Speaker 1: I did him right, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: he's never once said anything bad about me because he
Speaker 1: has no reason because I treated him like a grown
Speaker 1: ass man. I treated him like a professional, and I
Speaker 1: treated his music like a business, so that he would
Speaker 1: never have to worry, and his daughter would never have
Speaker 1: to worry. His daughter and my daughter same age, they
Speaker 1: were born a month apart. His daughter and my daughter
Speaker 1: never have to worry. God, there make some noise for that, Okay,
Speaker 1: So now you're dominated this guy is on the other
Speaker 1: side of the world. Guys are connected, and you see
Speaker 1: the previous of what he's capable of. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if he's on the downfall at this time. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you can talking to Tyson's coming out of incarceration, but
Speaker 1: he's a monster. Oh yeah, this press conference happens, and
Speaker 1: in the documentary you say not backing down, all right,
Speaker 1: So in that situation, it's a situation of like, alright,
Speaker 1: we all know about Tyson, nobody knows about me. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're gonna make some and you know, in
Speaker 1: in my culture, it's like, you know, we say the
Speaker 1: dog that barks the loudest has no teeth. So it
Speaker 1: was a situation where like, yo, this is the first
Speaker 1: time it felt like he was deliberately trying to Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's bad. He's a bad guy in the sense of
Speaker 1: like he can intimidate people. He's intimidating a lot of people,
Speaker 1: but you don't know who he's intimidating. He's intimidating a
Speaker 1: bad a bad guy. I'm a batman in that sense.
Speaker 1: I don't take that soup time right, Yeah, loishan wan.
Speaker 1: So he knew, well, I knew what he was about,
Speaker 1: but he didn't know what I was about. You don't
Speaker 1: know where I'm coming from, nothing about me. It's like
Speaker 1: that really both situation where like, yo, he said this
Speaker 1: about me, Okay, cool, all right, he's gonna see So
Speaker 1: mentally I was here for that. I was prepared for
Speaker 1: that fight. I was looking for that fight, and I
Speaker 1: knew that he didn't know me. And mentally I'm really
Speaker 1: strong minded. And are you holding on to what happened
Speaker 1: as you all as children or you saying no, you
Speaker 1: know what that that was us as children. Actually I
Speaker 1: didn't realize what. I didn't know where it was coming from.
Speaker 1: I didn't know why he was being like this because
Speaker 1: we knew each other as when I went up to
Speaker 1: the cat skill were we were friends? You know? He
Speaker 1: says that, He says that afterwards, he says that he
Speaker 1: says he's only promoting the fight. But as a fan,
Speaker 1: I didn't take it like that. I didn't take it
Speaker 1: like he was only promoting the fight. I took it
Speaker 1: like what the fund is these two grown man? You know?
Speaker 1: This is me as a fan, This is I have
Speaker 1: no ties to anybody at this time at least still
Speaker 1: go ahead, continue let me tell you a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't realize and don't remember. Well I don't know
Speaker 1: is the fact that a lot of the promoter wanted
Speaker 1: that to be an American British thing like West Coast,
Speaker 1: East Coast, West Coast. Yeah, but it was it was
Speaker 1: more American than the British should come in, the British
Speaker 1: should come in. So we said, no, it can't be there.
Speaker 1: We don't want that type of mess. That's too messy.
Speaker 1: It's not even true. But yeah, yeah, yeah, so uh,
Speaker 1: you know it was more just um, you know, me
Speaker 1: trying to get the everyweight championship of the world, Tyson
Speaker 1: trying to legends meeting. Now there comes to time in
Speaker 1: summer jam history when you fuck summer Jam up. Let's
Speaker 1: strow it out there. It's time for me to pop
Speaker 1: a bottles. What you want you want me to let
Speaker 1: me hear it ghost first and then okay, little bit,
Speaker 1: yeah sad, you know you gotta prove listen, I didn't
Speaker 1: you gotta prove listen, how did you think you get
Speaker 1: a lot of artists don't get approved, maybe more they
Speaker 1: don't just table. So I had to make a phone call.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm saying, so which one you want
Speaker 1: to go to? Goal? The goal? Okay, but you know
Speaker 1: that this is more expensive. This is the road. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's gonna take this because I don't want him to
Speaker 1: feel jerks like when people see him, like why did
Speaker 1: you pick the goal? He didn't know the people. So
Speaker 1: I want so you still want to go pick I
Speaker 1: only drink that one. Okay, let's go this. Okay. So
Speaker 1: so summer jams, summer jam. So you sunk this up.
Speaker 1: This is what was in my opinion, because in my opinion,
Speaker 1: this is just my hunting opinion. I can see you,
Speaker 1: my friend, so I would have told you this off
Speaker 1: the side. What it was was the timing. It wasn't
Speaker 1: what you said, No, it was the timing of what
Speaker 1: you said and said in place and how you said.
Speaker 1: And the fact is this is your headline, correct, This
Speaker 1: is a yes. This is a female who automatically, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say just sensitive because he's a female.
Speaker 1: But in this situation, you know she's a queen of
Speaker 1: New y'all, this is New York number one station, and
Speaker 1: you get along. What was it was it the afternoon, No,
Speaker 1: it was the festival stage. So it was Kendrick was
Speaker 1: about to come out on the festivals. So as part
Speaker 1: of my way of hyping the crowd for Kendrick. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a wrestling fan. It's all about it's all about,
Speaker 1: it's about what it's in wrestling. We call it cheap heat, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, is the name of my podcast, Subscribe Everywhere.
Speaker 1: Cheap heat mean sheep, cheap like heat. Pet about to
Speaker 1: say you bring it back to Pets, let's go come.
Speaker 1: So cheap heat means in wrestling, if you want to
Speaker 1: get the crowd hot at you, that's called heat, right,
Speaker 1: So bad guys want to get heat. The cheapest way
Speaker 1: to get heat is to get out in the crowd
Speaker 1: and say the bad guy comes out in Miami and goes,
Speaker 1: I can't stand Miami, I'm from New York. Whatever. And
Speaker 1: if you want a cheap pop, the way you come
Speaker 1: out is you're like, it's so great to be here
Speaker 1: in Miami. These are cheap cheap and cheap hoops. I
Speaker 1: was doing both. I was really going for a cheap
Speaker 1: pop because I know that the crowd that's there to
Speaker 1: see Kendrick. When I say fuck Starships, I know the
Speaker 1: crowd is gonna cheer for that. So it's for you
Speaker 1: right now. Thank you for your bottles. But by the way,
Speaker 1: I don't think we got cheat heat in hip hop.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I don't think we do well maybe not,
Speaker 1: You're right, I mean it ended up being expensive, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: So I tried to pop the crowd by saying, now, listen,
Speaker 1: the truth is I had already been on the radio
Speaker 1: dissing starships at that point for months, right, And you
Speaker 1: gotta realize us as artists, right when we have a
Speaker 1: relationship with you guys, when you just the record, we
Speaker 1: don't feel like we don't feel like you're dissing the record,
Speaker 1: but like disting us. And I had no relationship with well,
Speaker 1: it's even worse in some ways because I had at
Speaker 1: that time. I didn't know Nikki at all. For Abril
Speaker 1: Nick and yeah, but remember your your guilty back associated
Speaker 1: well then, but remember Nicki's not even really in New
Speaker 1: York that much of that time, right, She's moving around,
Speaker 1: she's blowing up, she's still and she's hearing it from
Speaker 1: people though that people go, So I make a joke,
Speaker 1: right like I used to make. I used to tease
Speaker 1: Nick you know, if you sip that I'm not an
Speaker 1: m h so Nikki at that time. You know, when
Speaker 1: she would do like sort of her voices, she would
Speaker 1: go into like on Monster Scipa and I when we
Speaker 1: do the show, we would sort of like tease that,
Speaker 1: but not like we were shipping on it. We would,
Speaker 1: but it really wasn't shipping on it. Like we thought
Speaker 1: she was dope. But when her friend, when people hear
Speaker 1: it and they're like, yo, the fucking Safari came up
Speaker 1: to her, people are telling her people talk shit. So
Speaker 1: she already wasn't working with us. And then I did
Speaker 1: Starships and I'm like, what is this record? Blah blah
Speaker 1: blah and twelve so people wasn't going live, so this
Speaker 1: is this this So this is not like she could
Speaker 1: have went and look at someone's Instagram. So people aren't
Speaker 1: going live. Oh they're hearing It's still weird unless it
Speaker 1: was a clip we put up. She she wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: hear it. So and I didn't like Starships, and I
Speaker 1: stand by that. I think history kind of proved me
Speaker 1: right on. Even though she made a bowload of money
Speaker 1: on it did really well, it wasn't It wasn't a
Speaker 1: record that I liked now, I admit I did not
Speaker 1: at the time think of sort of the implications, you know,
Speaker 1: me being a man, being a white man who she
Speaker 1: doesn't know and wasn't even all that established yet shipping
Speaker 1: on you know, her record. I now realized sort of
Speaker 1: the privilege that was built into that, but at the time,
Speaker 1: I'm just repping for it. To me, it's hip hop
Speaker 1: all day. And while I'm regretful about some of those situations,
Speaker 1: let's be honest. If I wasn't the kind of person
Speaker 1: who said ship like that, I wouldn't ever be here
Speaker 1: right now. If you don't have enough swagger and stupid,
Speaker 1: ill advised confidence to talk shit, you're not interesting. And
Speaker 1: I had to show listen all the rappers who wanted
Speaker 1: to funk me up in the first few years, most
Speaker 1: of which I'm close with now. Present company included it.
Speaker 1: It all came from a place of like, I just
Speaker 1: had stupid confidence that I deserve to be here and
Speaker 1: should have the conversation. In retrospect, I could see how
Speaker 1: now that would be considered problematic, but at the time
Speaker 1: I was just a guy who's like trying to get on.
Speaker 1: I've studied the game, and I'm gonna give my opinions,
Speaker 1: and that's what Ebro wanted me to do. So I
Speaker 1: was just doing what I thought I was supposed to do.
Speaker 1: But let's just be clear, all right, cool not Let's
Speaker 1: take ad way the fact that she's a girl. That's
Speaker 1: a good way of the fact that, um, she's a
Speaker 1: queen of y right, that's a good way to fact
Speaker 1: for that right now. Just the fact that it was
Speaker 1: the headline, Yes, that's a stupid party, and it was
Speaker 1: streaming on her website. Oh wait a minute, what so
Speaker 1: see streaming? Like because the website. The next thing I know.
Speaker 1: The next thing I know, I'm on the side of
Speaker 1: the stage comes up to me where shows about to start.
Speaker 1: Heros like, you do you say something about Nikki on
Speaker 1: the festival stage? And I swear to god, I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't remember. I was like, oh, yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: I did. I talked about starships. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she pulled out of the show, and I was like.
Speaker 1: The next second, I go on my phone. I opened
Speaker 1: up Twitter. I just see trending Peter Rosenberg. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: this is not good. She's not doing the show. And
Speaker 1: so the first thing I'm worried about naturally is my job.
Speaker 1: You know, I've only been there a few years at
Speaker 1: that point, and I'm like, I just cost us NICKI
Speaker 1: Minaj at summer Jam. That was fucking stupid, and you're right,
Speaker 1: the time in place was ridiculous and I just wasn't
Speaker 1: being thoughtful. It was just fucking stupid. Had rectified that situation,
Speaker 1: had to apologize, right, didn't there or that was no one?
Speaker 1: No one even considered that, you know, and this is
Speaker 1: where hot you know listen, Ebro and Flex both neither
Speaker 1: has a small ego either. So while while I'm sure
Speaker 1: they might have been upset with me on some level,
Speaker 1: though neither ever said they were upset with me, they
Speaker 1: both just went the other way. It's like, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: like the Brothers in Blue Leg. They said, well, that's
Speaker 1: not it was like the Brothers Blue anyway. You know.
Speaker 1: I think they went with like, oh, they're pulling out
Speaker 1: that we're hot any seven, No one's pulling out on
Speaker 1: our ship. It's summer jam. So they took that approach
Speaker 1: of defending me, and then of course it got messy
Speaker 1: because all young money pulled out. You know, Buster was
Speaker 1: not happy with me. You know who I do have
Speaker 1: a great relationship with and he was not happy. That
Speaker 1: was one of the many times I bust. It was
Speaker 1: on cash money at the time. Okay, and guess who
Speaker 1: else was Kalid? So you know, people weren't happy, but um,
Speaker 1: at the same time, everyone was cool in the long run.
Speaker 1: You know, it took some time with Nikki to smooth
Speaker 1: things over because you did eventually apologize to correct I did,
Speaker 1: and she did. I watched the video again recently. She
Speaker 1: definitely soned the living ship out of the situation. A
Speaker 1: year later, before summer, jam Ebro sets up this whole
Speaker 1: thing for me to go come face to face with her.
Speaker 1: First of all, Ibro had to be there, which is
Speaker 1: I don't know if she was doing little Nicky might
Speaker 1: have sucked you up. I'm just going it up. You
Speaker 1: know what. It probably helped. So I went to put
Speaker 1: my money and I just sat there one on m
Speaker 1: with her and she just sort of, well, you intimidated.
Speaker 1: Nicky's see, it's a little intimidate she is. Nikki is
Speaker 1: super intimidating, and in that moment I was I was shook,
Speaker 1: and I took my lumps and said I'm sorry, and
Speaker 1: she said, you're not smart. You're not funny, you're this,
Speaker 1: you're that, and honestly, not all that's true. I am
Speaker 1: rather smart, but it's okay. I understand why you're not
Speaker 1: feeling me. I apologized, and yeah, and then the truth is,
Speaker 1: though I don't talk to Nicky anymore, the truth is
Speaker 1: we had a period after that, over a couple of
Speaker 1: years where we were actually pretty cool, Like we would
Speaker 1: actually text and talk about music, and I would a
Speaker 1: lot more. I want Sexton with NICKI and no, no,
Speaker 1: that ship comes up green now. But you know, we
Speaker 1: had a period where we were cool, and like even
Speaker 1: the next year at Summer jam um, like we talked
Speaker 1: on stage and I don't know, I actually felt the same.
Speaker 1: You know, when you beef with people or have a
Speaker 1: feud with someone, once you make up, there is some
Speaker 1: sort of odd kinship that exists. Like I'm not saying
Speaker 1: Nicky likes me. I don't know how Nicky feels about
Speaker 1: me at all, but I know that at that time
Speaker 1: I definitely felt some level of closeness, you know, through
Speaker 1: some ship and you got through it and we both
Speaker 1: and by the way, for the record, as mad as
Speaker 1: she was at me after that whole ship, her next
Speaker 1: album was her most hip hop and most successful. She
Speaker 1: bodied her next album was I think the next one
Speaker 1: was Pink Friday or was it Pink Print? I love
Speaker 1: how you grabbed the phone thinking instead of thinking how
Speaker 1: we used to do. It's so fucked up. It's so
Speaker 1: fucked up that you are literally correct. That is what
Speaker 1: I do now albums. At this point, you're taking credit
Speaker 1: for that next album. You know you're a good radio host.
Speaker 1: It was it was she no Pink Friday, Roman Reloaded
Speaker 1: might have been the one with starships on it, so
Speaker 1: it would have been the next one, um, which was
Speaker 1: um the Pink Print? Okay, um No, I'm not taking
Speaker 1: credit and I try ef you've really developed quite the host. However,
Speaker 1: I do think that there that that situation maybe impacted
Speaker 1: her on to some level, and she was like y
Speaker 1: wanting to the hip hop ship and let's be honest
Speaker 1: in sub consciously nicky with Barr, but we all want Rocket.
Speaker 1: I imagine growing up being all from being from New
Speaker 1: York City, you had to be fans of Jay and not.
Speaker 1: But at one point you was at odds with Jay,
Speaker 1: and I mean, which one you want to talk about first?
Speaker 1: If you if you so all right, Let's say j
Speaker 1: J for instance, because you were at Rockefeller and this
Speaker 1: is you leaving Rocket Feller or exited Rockefeller, these records
Speaker 1: that pop up now. But what happened was I believe
Speaker 1: Dame was gonna make me the press the rocket Feller.
Speaker 1: Now this is his office. That was just that has
Speaker 1: to do with this office he was talking about earlier. No,
Speaker 1: we just house. That wasn't the same time and he
Speaker 1: was the president. It never really came before wishing me
Speaker 1: being a president, being actually president. He want to make
Speaker 1: me a president, Okay, and I don't think he talk
Speaker 1: to j about that, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: like when I ainked a bus it and me and
Speaker 1: Jay Cool were just on the sky Zoom call like
Speaker 1: a week ago. So this just stories. Me and jay
Speaker 1: an't got no problems. We're super cool. So to by
Speaker 1: the way, I thought, I'm gonna take it with me. No, no,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. So um. Basically when I got the
Speaker 1: Rocket Feller, you know, I tried to ingratiate myself with
Speaker 1: everybody because I don't know what that mean. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be cool. Whateverybody I'm trying to say. They
Speaker 1: already have something going, and I know, trying to be
Speaker 1: cool with everybody because y'all got your own thing. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I don't want to come in
Speaker 1: here and seem like I'm stepping on toes or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I'm cool with everybody. You know, Hey, this down
Speaker 1: the third and you know Jay Jay is a competitor,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So me coming there, I
Speaker 1: don't know this was dame situation and say something that
Speaker 1: he did. So you know, um, first thing is happened.
Speaker 1: I bought Kate Slay up there, and I guess I
Speaker 1: didn't know he was mad at Kase Slave because Kse
Speaker 1: Slay must to play Ether at the time, and he
Speaker 1: was mad at no for Ether and orders never heard
Speaker 1: this story. Yeah yeah, I'm telling you. You'm telling you
Speaker 1: what happened, you guys k slect So I've heard this story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, what you say? Run Case Lay up
Speaker 1: to baseline? Yeah, okay, this is after Case Slave. He
Speaker 1: definitely voted for Naz either. Remember this good? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: board them up there because you know we're using case
Speaker 1: Slay the Hoholetime mixtape. So kid came up there. Boom,
Speaker 1: Jay wasn't there. But as I'm leaving, Jay is in
Speaker 1: the lobby of Baseline, so I want k to the elevator,
Speaker 1: and I guess they said Jay and jay Z said
Speaker 1: what's up? Whatever? So I walked back and he said, Yo,
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful who you bringing around here. He
Speaker 1: might have just slapped the ship out of case slag
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait, what's going on? Man? And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what's going on. He's like he's like,
Speaker 1: he's like, yo, just saying be careful. All right, cool,
Speaker 1: this is your house. Ain't not no problem with that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's all good. Cool. We're
Speaker 1: building buzz up. I'm like, yo, Jay the studio. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: we might want to hop on his record. We're building
Speaker 1: the buzz and he'll just look like, okay, that's cute,
Speaker 1: Like he didn't say that, but he's like okay. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool, cool. I don't know what's going on,
Speaker 1: but whatever. So um I saw heating up, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And he like, yo, well, seeming you know,
Speaker 1: you could tell us some tension. So one day I
Speaker 1: come to the studio. You're like, Yo, it seems like
Speaker 1: it's some tension in here. Yeah to me, I'm talking.
Speaker 1: I don't know if exact words, but he says something
Speaker 1: going on. I just want to let you know, I
Speaker 1: see all niggers rocking. I ain't got no problem. Were
Speaker 1: all good, you know what I'm saying, something like bad
Speaker 1: Um just got a song up right now, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just do it now. And he's like, back, So
Speaker 1: we did the song room, So I said, Yo, the song.
Speaker 1: He know, we might could do the video. He like, okay,
Speaker 1: we back to that. Cool. So that that happened. Then
Speaker 1: back to all we're saying about I'm starting to do
Speaker 1: bus moves or whatever. Because there was that. There was
Speaker 1: a jay Z verse on Old Boy and you to
Speaker 1: tell you that. So Pete Crap, nobody's fucking Pete Crap,
Speaker 1: State property, nobody, PETI crack. I was gonna fun with
Speaker 1: Speedy Crap. He had the song one for Pete Crap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was this on myself. I put me in jewels
Speaker 1: on it, taking the damn Like about the fun, He like,
Speaker 1: he fulfilled you to funk with stay property. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why everything I gotta be so philly? This holmness. I
Speaker 1: don't think I heard the story. Pete Cracker story don't
Speaker 1: even need to drink. It's on flag. He told the
Speaker 1: story on VLAG. I already knew how I went anyway,
Speaker 1: but he tells the story. So day in the studio,
Speaker 1: he said he got this hot song, you know, because
Speaker 1: he wasn't signing State property. I was working with him.
Speaker 1: He come to New York or whatever, and I was
Speaker 1: gonna sign him, but Dame was like, I was gonna
Speaker 1: sunk up ful Philly and all this ship. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: so pet was was like, this is a situation. Bothyards
Speaker 1: right by the way, Ye, Dame is right and and
Speaker 1: you were right to this is situation. But continue. So well,
Speaker 1: he's on his own proper. But it's seeming like that,
Speaker 1: but he's not. So he's like, I'm not signing him,
Speaker 1: niggas Cam. So we did the song, so he played.
Speaker 1: Pete's playing the song for jay Z whoever else in
Speaker 1: the studio, And like I said, Pete, Pete Cracks story
Speaker 1: is on Flack. He talks about a couple of interviews.
Speaker 1: I already knew how he went though, but we don't
Speaker 1: mention that other outlets. Yeah, so he's playing sorry about that,
Speaker 1: So he's especially that they apologize. A couple of videos
Speaker 1: he he a couple of the interviews he mentioned this.
Speaker 1: So he says he's in the studio playing it and
Speaker 1: my verse come on and J say stop. It erased
Speaker 1: that ship and just erased my whole verse. So Pete
Speaker 1: calls me, he like, you're saying the original one for
Speaker 1: Pete K you're on there. Yes, he in the studio
Speaker 1: actually plays director. No, this is what happened. I used
Speaker 1: to go to Philly. I has salon in Philly. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So so one night I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, check on my business. And Philly, I go
Speaker 1: to a club this DJ Korey Yak I think his
Speaker 1: name was, and I'm like, in the hole in the
Speaker 1: wall and P D. Crack is performing in this hole
Speaker 1: in the war and the whole club is going crazy.
Speaker 1: So I went up to him in Meadow, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: what's up here? Like now you know, beans, just stand
Speaker 1: the third and then I funk with everybody. You know,
Speaker 1: there were those with his niggas. So then a week
Speaker 1: or two later I went to I don't know the
Speaker 1: time that we go to Philly, radio station and he's
Speaker 1: outside the radio station. Yeah, he's outside the radio station,
Speaker 1: and he like, chill her. What's up? Man? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I thought you with state property, like game ain't sa
Speaker 1: Damon's there. He's like, they ain't sign me nothing. I'm like, word,
Speaker 1: so that record you this, you're not send it to me?
Speaker 1: But I wasn't sending that some type of way. He
Speaker 1: gave me a E D I think I had, and
Speaker 1: I did it and gave it to him. He came
Speaker 1: and used to come to New York. So when I
Speaker 1: did it, Dame, it's like, yo, hold on, I said,
Speaker 1: the man said, you're not signing y'all. There's nobody. Well
Speaker 1: you know, we was gonna do this and was gonna
Speaker 1: do that, and I'm like whatever. So then what happened
Speaker 1: was Dames said, look, I guess beans and Nothing's like
Speaker 1: how can this was pt cracks on me? How Kim
Speaker 1: and them jumping on our record on the Philly record bed, Like,
Speaker 1: I ain't know you wanted to do the record. So
Speaker 1: Dame come to me. I guess it was a problem
Speaker 1: over that or whatever. Dame like, Yo, this is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. We're gonna put State property on it
Speaker 1: and keep you on it. We're gonna take you els off.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I didn't take me off too, Like
Speaker 1: I don't understand what's going on, why this is such
Speaker 1: a big deal, Like its gonna take you els off
Speaker 1: and leave you. And I'm like, nah, man, I said,
Speaker 1: well take me off the record too, man, And ain't
Speaker 1: no problem. You know what I'm saying. But probably it's
Speaker 1: an older video for that song and everything jay Z
Speaker 1: heard the first and just erase my ship to Pete
Speaker 1: crack erace it or shame whoever was um engineering that day.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's why and energy going on, but we
Speaker 1: don't give a funk. But camp, I gotta ask because
Speaker 1: this is very deep. Everybody's good, everybody's good right now,
Speaker 1: but this is this is one facts you know that
Speaker 1: that happened. You know that that if you want, we
Speaker 1: could pose this interview. Pull it up on your phone.
Speaker 1: We've got people who's paid for that. Let's go up first.
Speaker 1: You pull up, pull up, Carmel, Jewells and Pete crap.
Speaker 1: It's just called Pete. Ain't casting calls for a minute,
Speaker 1: n ship. Yeah, but you put up pull up. I
Speaker 1: don't want to break it. I don't want to. I
Speaker 1: want to bring Zeke in, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: bring want to keep going. See if you're get on
Speaker 1: not even be even better coming from that. I've never
Speaker 1: heard this story, so but I'm saying not the fact
Speaker 1: that that doesn't exist, but the fact that the person
Speaker 1: that said that Jay said to take that verse off.
Speaker 1: That's real one million percent. I want to be on
Speaker 1: your show making no ship confess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I mean, I know you got
Speaker 1: a huge Ordians. I ain't on time. You know, like
Speaker 1: I said, Jay have a different way of going about it.
Speaker 1: But this with Pete Crack said, he's like because he
Speaker 1: wanted to give me a copy but already had a copy.
Speaker 1: I'll put it on my mixtape. Thanks for joining us
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