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Speaker 1: Outrageously Dependable. My name is Clay Nukeoman. I'm the host
Speaker 1: of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your
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Speaker 1: the Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast. The next three episodes of
Speaker 1: the podcast, we're gonna dive in to the nitty gritty
Speaker 1: technical side of bear hunting with three different topics. As
Speaker 1: you'll find out as you listen to the Barony Magazine podcast,
Speaker 1: anything is on the table for topics. We might interview
Speaker 1: old mountain hunters. We might talk about deer hunting, we
Speaker 1: might talk about bear hunting. We might talk about a
Speaker 1: particular destination. There's all kinds of things that we might
Speaker 1: talk about, but I never want to forget the core
Speaker 1: premise of this podcast, which is to learn to discuss,
Speaker 1: to talk about bear hunting. It is late in March
Speaker 1: right now, and lots of guys are getting ready for
Speaker 1: spring bear hunting. This next episode is going to be
Speaker 1: all about spring bear hunting. I had two people here
Speaker 1: in the office with me, and we basically discussed the
Speaker 1: ins and outs, the timing, the biology of what bears
Speaker 1: are doing. We discussed different destinations, just basically the general
Speaker 1: synopsis of spring black bear hunting in North Amera America.
Speaker 1: You're gonna enjoy this podcast, and I guarantee you you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna hear something that you haven't known before. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about spring bear hunting, shot placement,
Speaker 1: and judging bears on the next three podcasts. I haven't
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Speaker 1: we really do appreciate you listening and hope you're gaining
Speaker 1: value from what you're hearing. Welcome brethren to the Bear
Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine podcast. We have found ourselves again at the
Speaker 1: global headquarters Bear Hunting Magazine here in Northwest Arkansas. I
Speaker 1: have with me today again my good friend Ryan grab
Speaker 1: Colby moorehead. I'll get some introductions to these guys here
Speaker 1: in a minute, but first I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you about what we're gonna talk about. It is to
Speaker 1: the day I believe is March, and it is go
Speaker 1: time for planning spring black bear hunting. So this podcast
Speaker 1: is going to basically give a general overview of spring
Speaker 1: bear hunting in the United States and in Canada, what
Speaker 1: the bears are doing this time of year, what the
Speaker 1: situation is with getting tags. We're gonna kind of do
Speaker 1: this general overview of spring bear hunting, so someone who
Speaker 1: is not familiar at all with spring bear hunting could
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast and come away with some sense
Speaker 1: of what spring bear hunting is. So that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of what we're gonna do. We're gonna talk about some
Speaker 1: biology stuff of what bears are doing during the time
Speaker 1: period when you hunt spring bears states and provinces, and
Speaker 1: understanding the Canadian outfitting situation basically. So, but I want
Speaker 1: to make some quick introductions here. I've got Ryan Grab
Speaker 1: if you listen to. Ryan's been on the podcast a
Speaker 1: couple of times. But Ryan is a good friend of
Speaker 1: mine from here in Arkansas who in the last podcast,
Speaker 1: I introduced him as a man who was killing bears
Speaker 1: while my mama was still wiping my nose. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stand by that introduction. Um, Ryan's hunted with me all
Speaker 1: over Canada, and he's also what I knew him for
Speaker 1: years ago, was killing big bears in Arkansas. And I
Speaker 1: still stand by this. Other introduction is that when it
Speaker 1: comes to actual bio mass of bears killed in Arkansas,
Speaker 1: I have yet to meet anybody that's killed more number
Speaker 1: of big bears than this guy. Oh shucks, Clay, you're
Speaker 1: making me blush. It's true, though, Ryan, It's true. Well
Speaker 1: it's uh. It's an honor to get to hang out
Speaker 1: at the Global headquarters with you. Yeah, man, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: to my right, I was just joking about that. To
Speaker 1: my right. Colby Morehead. I introduced Kolbe in the last podcast,
Speaker 1: but Kobe works for Bear Hunting magazine. Kobe is kind
Speaker 1: of like Uh. I like to introduce him as a
Speaker 1: tech nerd. I don't know if he likes that or not,
Speaker 1: but to me, that's a compliment. Yeah. Uh, Kobe is
Speaker 1: the tech nerd of Bear Hunting Magazine. He does all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff for us here. He's just been working
Speaker 1: here for about a month now, and so, but Kobe
Speaker 1: is a bear hunter, and uh Kobe has done some
Speaker 1: some fact research for us about spring bears that he's
Speaker 1: gonna be adding in. But we'll just jump right into
Speaker 1: it and this will be one of the series of
Speaker 1: podcasts some of our podcasts on the Bear Hunting Magazine
Speaker 1: podcast are. I mean, we might have topics about turkey
Speaker 1: hunting or deer hunting, or interviewing old mountain men. I mean,
Speaker 1: like pretty much anything is fair game. But we also
Speaker 1: want to supply you guys with some nitty gritty, technical,
Speaker 1: nuts and bolts stuff about bear hunting. And so that's
Speaker 1: what this is. Um, let me just start by saying, Ryan,
Speaker 1: you you really started spring bear hunting about the same
Speaker 1: time I did. I'm from the South from Arkansas. There
Speaker 1: are no spring bear seasons in the southern United States,
Speaker 1: and we were bear hunters hunt in Arkansas and about
Speaker 1: six years ago, two thousand, Yeah, about six years ago
Speaker 1: you went with me? No, No, I had been to
Speaker 1: Canada before I actually went to Canada and ten or
Speaker 1: nine now it was Alberta. I went to Alberta with
Speaker 1: my dad and maybe two thousand ten or two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: I can't remember snuck away um. But basically, bear hunting
Speaker 1: in the spring was a new thing for me. And
Speaker 1: when you know, six years ago when we kind of
Speaker 1: started hunting Canada and to me, what's so cool. Let
Speaker 1: me just start off by saying, what it's so cool
Speaker 1: about spring bear hunting is what other big game animal
Speaker 1: can you hunt in the spring? No? No, no, none.
Speaker 1: I mean there are some sheep hunts and goat hunts,
Speaker 1: some animals that don't have antlers that shed that you
Speaker 1: can hunt, But I mean for all practical purposes, there
Speaker 1: is no other big game. I mean, not many people
Speaker 1: are sheep hunting in July and June. Chase hoggs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can chase hogs, um, but you know, all the
Speaker 1: antler game are totally out of bounds in the spring. Now,
Speaker 1: we can spring turkey hunt, obviously we do that, but
Speaker 1: what other big game animal can you take your bow
Speaker 1: and go and hunt in the spring And the answer
Speaker 1: is very, very few. The other thing about spring bear
Speaker 1: hunting people, this this is like really significant news to
Speaker 1: someone who wouldn't know this, is that black bear numbers
Speaker 1: are thriving all across the North American continent. Black bears
Speaker 1: have the most wide geographic distribution, second only to the
Speaker 1: mountain lion of distribution across North America. I've said that
Speaker 1: before and people have questioned me. I actually wrote it
Speaker 1: one time and an editor edited it out because he
Speaker 1: didn't believe it. But pre European settlement in North America,
Speaker 1: the mountain lion, the puma, the cougar, Ryan ranged from
Speaker 1: the eastern United States to the western United States without
Speaker 1: a gap. I mean, there are mountain lions and Kansas.
Speaker 1: There are mountain lions here and there. There are mountain
Speaker 1: lions all the way up into Canada. There are mountain
Speaker 1: lions all the way down into South America. What like,
Speaker 1: think about like an elk or a sheep, or a
Speaker 1: white tailed deer or a moose. I want to have
Speaker 1: to take some of these books home that you're reading. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So mount lion has the largest geographic natural distribution of
Speaker 1: any big game animal in North America, as I understand
Speaker 1: it from the books that I read. Number two to
Speaker 1: that critter is the black bear. I mean, you think
Speaker 1: about it, black bear would have ranged from the East coast.
Speaker 1: I mean there are black bears looking at the Atlantic Ocean,
Speaker 1: you know, in North Carolina and all the I mean
Speaker 1: in Maine all the way to black bears in California
Speaker 1: looking at the Pacific Ocean. Now there would be have
Speaker 1: been natural holes in their distribution through the Great Plains
Speaker 1: in different places. I mean, like a bear is pretty
Speaker 1: much not gonna live in the Grand Prairie. But there's
Speaker 1: also black bears that range deep into the boreal forest
Speaker 1: of the North, all the way down in New Mexico.
Speaker 1: So I qualify my statement that bears are everywhere. And
Speaker 1: so that's another thing about spring bear hunting is that
Speaker 1: you can spring bear hunt. Um well, we'll get into
Speaker 1: where you can do it, but basically, bears are everywhere.
Speaker 1: Why do we spring bear hunt? Because bears don't have
Speaker 1: antlers that fall off and regrow. Number two, spring bears
Speaker 1: have exceptional hide that have exceptional hide quality. A bear
Speaker 1: has been dinning for three to six months, even in
Speaker 1: some places there they they've produced all this energy and
Speaker 1: food that they've been in the whole year has made
Speaker 1: their hide great quality, so that when they're in the
Speaker 1: den they're preserving heat resources. So when they come out,
Speaker 1: they've got these great hides. Also, it's just kind of
Speaker 1: a side benefit. Is not why we hunt spring bears,
Speaker 1: but I've heard people say that their claws are in
Speaker 1: better shape. Like if you kill a fall bear, I
Speaker 1: mean he's been running around, he's been digging, he's been
Speaker 1: doing stuff. Um, a bear comes out of the spring,
Speaker 1: right out of the den, he's gonna have sharp, big,
Speaker 1: long claws. They've just been growing. Um also bears. Uh,
Speaker 1: just there's an opportunity to hunt bears in the spring.
Speaker 1: They're coming out of the dens. They're hungry, they're active
Speaker 1: and traditional that's when they've been hunted, especially in the North,
Speaker 1: not so much in the South. Um. So we let's
Speaker 1: just start right off the bat by talking about when
Speaker 1: do you spring bear hunt? And uh, typically we're gonna
Speaker 1: be spring bear hunting in May in June. Like when
Speaker 1: I first started, Ryan, if you ten years ago, if
Speaker 1: you just said when do you go on a spring
Speaker 1: bear hunt, would you have been able to answer that
Speaker 1: question as a Southerner probably not. I would have figured April.
Speaker 1: May you know, yeah, because by June in Arkansas, I
Speaker 1: mean it were in deep summer. I mean, so you're
Speaker 1: not thinking about going and chasing something with your bow. Well,
Speaker 1: as a general rule, most most places where you spring
Speaker 1: bear hunt, you're hunting in May and June. Now that
Speaker 1: being said, there's lots of Western states, not lots, but
Speaker 1: the the western states that have spring bear seasons that
Speaker 1: are in the United States sometimes start on April, so
Speaker 1: you can hunt bears even into April. But in general,
Speaker 1: you would say May in June. Um, let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and talk about the features of the timing of spring
Speaker 1: bear hunts, because a lot of people wouldn't understand when
Speaker 1: they go. Maybe they would call a Canadian bear outfitter,
Speaker 1: and outfitter would say, well, why don't you come the
Speaker 1: first week of May? Well, there benefits to hunting early.
Speaker 1: Or you might call an outfitter and he say, why
Speaker 1: don't you come the second week of June and their benefits,
Speaker 1: pros and cons to each thing. And most people don't
Speaker 1: understand this at all. They just view the spring like
Speaker 1: just a big, massive time that it's all the same.
Speaker 1: It would be like white tail hunting Ryan, if you
Speaker 1: were to say, hey, do you wanna hunt in mid September,
Speaker 1: you know, if there was a early opener in some state,
Speaker 1: or would you rather hunt on nob or like explaining that,
Speaker 1: like basically the bare world is the same pros and cons.
Speaker 1: You can catch a big buck on feeding pattern and
Speaker 1: probably kill him in mid September, but you're not gonna
Speaker 1: have any rud activity to speak of. But in mid
Speaker 1: November you might kill a buck that you've never seen
Speaker 1: before and it's at least bring bear hunts. So, I
Speaker 1: mean south the ice is out right, things have greened up.
Speaker 1: You may drive ten hours north of there and things
Speaker 1: are still frozen and the bears are on the move. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So there's variations even between variations, even between places, even
Speaker 1: in Canada, and that's a good that's a good thing
Speaker 1: for people to think about, especially if you're talking about
Speaker 1: Canadian bear hunting, which we're gonna talk about the outfitter
Speaker 1: situation some in Canada. But like southern Canada is way
Speaker 1: different than Northern Canada. I mean even in like the
Speaker 1: province of Manitoba. You cross over into Manitoba and the
Speaker 1: you know, the southern third of it is gonna be
Speaker 1: pretty different than the way up north. And uh, I
Speaker 1: mean just like here, like the difference between where we
Speaker 1: are in northwest Arkansas into northern Iowa. I mean, big
Speaker 1: difference in temperature, big difference in the winters. But we
Speaker 1: kind of have this idea that Canada is just this
Speaker 1: you know, this place, that it's like all the same thing. Um,
Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and jump right into early season hunting.
Speaker 1: I like to compare the months of May and jun
Speaker 1: to the months of October and November when it comes
Speaker 1: to white tails again, going back to this thing that
Speaker 1: most people are familiar with white tail hunting, and so
Speaker 1: the characteristics of hunting early October for white tails would
Speaker 1: be finding animals on feeding pattern. The characteristics of hunting
Speaker 1: them in November would typically be hunting rudding animals. So early,
Speaker 1: let's just say almost eight probably the outfitters that we
Speaker 1: deal with at Bear Hunting Magazine start taking clients the
Speaker 1: first week of May. Some of our northern clients, which
Speaker 1: with this would be the exception, like in northern Saskatchewan,
Speaker 1: some of these really far north places don't stake and
Speaker 1: don't don't start taking clients until mid May to even
Speaker 1: late May. Outfitter that we have hunted with in the
Speaker 1: past doesn't even start taking hunter until the first week
Speaker 1: of June. But they're way up north, Okay, typically first
Speaker 1: week of May. And here's the deal. First week of May,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be very little rut activity happening. Bears are
Speaker 1: going to be less active because they've probably just come
Speaker 1: out of the den. But the bores are typically the
Speaker 1: first bears out of the den. The only well a
Speaker 1: sou is gonna be rear and young, and we'll stay
Speaker 1: in the den a little bit longer. Oftentimes a lot
Speaker 1: of times the first animals out are boars, and they
Speaker 1: are they have one thing on their mind. Food. And
Speaker 1: so if you're hunting over bait or if you're spotting
Speaker 1: stalk hunting out west, if you find a bear, you
Speaker 1: can probably kill him in early May, and that goes
Speaker 1: from bait to spotting stalk. Looking on the side of
Speaker 1: a mountain in Montana and you see a bear out
Speaker 1: in a little green field, he's probably not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna be there tomorrow. He's he's found him
Speaker 1: a food source and he's gonna stay there. The same
Speaker 1: way you go to an outfit of the first week
Speaker 1: of May and you get a truck camera picture of
Speaker 1: a big boar, he's probably gonna be there. So the
Speaker 1: pro of hunting the early season is bears are on
Speaker 1: feeding patterns and man, I've seen it. I've seen it
Speaker 1: where you get pictures of bears and they're just consistent.
Speaker 1: And now that is contrasted ryan with bears that are
Speaker 1: that you're hunting later in the year. The further you
Speaker 1: get into the spring, the more rut activity that you're
Speaker 1: gonna have. The more of these bear, these big boards
Speaker 1: are gonna have fed built up their body reserves that
Speaker 1: have been depleted during denning, and then they're gonna be
Speaker 1: starting to rut. I've seen the bear rut really kick
Speaker 1: off the last ten days of May, and again I
Speaker 1: go back to that analogy of October and November for
Speaker 1: the white tail world is like May and June for
Speaker 1: the bear world. Late October, you're gonna start seeing rut activity.
Speaker 1: You're gonna start seeing buck's cruising making sign They're gonna
Speaker 1: veer off of their natural feeding patterns to start leaning
Speaker 1: towards those same thing with bear. So you might have
Speaker 1: a bear on a trail camera at a bait site
Speaker 1: or on a hillside in late May, and he may
Speaker 1: be he may be there the next day, but he
Speaker 1: may not be because he may be, Hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: roll over this next hill, go see if I can
Speaker 1: find a sow that's receptive. Um. That that is a
Speaker 1: big That is a big thing. So further you get
Speaker 1: into June, the more rut activity. But from a hunting perspective,
Speaker 1: as you would have seen an experience in different times,
Speaker 1: you might be sitting on a bait site and a
Speaker 1: brand new bear that's never been there roamers, just like
Speaker 1: hunting the white tail rut, he might show up and
Speaker 1: you might you might take a big board that no
Speaker 1: one has ever seen before at that place. Um. And
Speaker 1: so it's this, it's this, uh, this difference between these
Speaker 1: two things where you're gonna have bear that uh are
Speaker 1: really patternable, or you're taking a chance on a bear
Speaker 1: that might be there for a short period of time
Speaker 1: with a sow now during the rut. Also, it's not
Speaker 1: like you're just looking for this lone roamer. What you
Speaker 1: might find is a bear coming to a bait and
Speaker 1: he just hangs around for two or three days and
Speaker 1: it's gone. I've seen that pattern happened before. Uh any
Speaker 1: comments on that. Uh you know, Uh, it can work
Speaker 1: both ways. But like you say, you know, once the
Speaker 1: rut kicks in and bears are still you know, they'll
Speaker 1: still feed. They're still feeding. Uh, you know, there's no
Speaker 1: kind of mass that time of year. There's no soft mass,
Speaker 1: no berries, So they've got sales on their mind, but
Speaker 1: they're also hungry. But it is nice to say mid
Speaker 1: June have a sour two hanging around the bait, because
Speaker 1: you never know what's gonna show up with a classic
Speaker 1: spring June rutt hunt. Ryan to me, from my experience,
Speaker 1: has been when I killed that color face bear that
Speaker 1: touched the end of my arrow. Remember that hot soal
Speaker 1: was in there. This one boar was Breedinger, and then
Speaker 1: this color face bear showed up, which we believed it
Speaker 1: was the first time he ever showed up. I mean
Speaker 1: it was like Kobe had never seen him on camera.
Speaker 1: Colby Morrison outfitter, and uh, that was a classic red hunt.
Speaker 1: Let me jump into the nuts and bolts of the
Speaker 1: bear rut and all my research, I have never seen
Speaker 1: this as clearly laid out is what I'm about to say,
Speaker 1: And I wrote an article for Verity Magazine a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, and I kind of did it in
Speaker 1: response to the lack of information that I had about
Speaker 1: the bear rut. But basically, the bear rut is a
Speaker 1: long window as opposed to a white tail rut, and
Speaker 1: there's a biological reason for that. Bears have a process
Speaker 1: called delayed implantation, which means a sal bear can be
Speaker 1: bred and the egg isn't actually attached to the uterine
Speaker 1: wall to start gestation and tell that female has gone
Speaker 1: all the way through the fall and her body decides
Speaker 1: that she's capable of rear and young, so gestation doesn't
Speaker 1: actually start until early November, or bears have a sixty
Speaker 1: day gestation period and cubs are born in the den
Speaker 1: in January most of the time. A white tail rut,
Speaker 1: ungulate rut, anything like that. Breeding date has everything to
Speaker 1: do with gestation time and optimal time for that fond
Speaker 1: to be born in the spring. So that's why that
Speaker 1: there has to be this really tight window of when
Speaker 1: an animal is bred. Because of delayed implantation, the bear
Speaker 1: rut can be much more spread out. The bear rut
Speaker 1: isn't as concentrated as a white tail rut, and it
Speaker 1: pretty much is a A salth bear could be bred
Speaker 1: in August, she could be bred in September. It all
Speaker 1: depends upon when she connects with that boar. And it's
Speaker 1: an awesome it's amazing to me, it's just amazing. It's
Speaker 1: a biological strategy for an animal with low densities, like
Speaker 1: a white high white tailed density. I go back this
Speaker 1: all the time. High white tell density, it's like thirty
Speaker 1: to sixty per square mile. I mean, there's plenty of
Speaker 1: opportunity for breeding. A high bear density might just be
Speaker 1: one bear per square mile, even in a good place.
Speaker 1: And so this long breeding window is designed to compensate
Speaker 1: for low densities because a sal bear might come in
Speaker 1: the heat and never and just not bump into another board,
Speaker 1: and so she has this big window. But in the
Speaker 1: research that that I did and pulled from different sources,
Speaker 1: was that kind of the peak, if there was a
Speaker 1: peak of bear breeding, it would be in mid June.
Speaker 1: And that was on this in this one bear population
Speaker 1: actually in the Northwest, And so like the peak of
Speaker 1: bear breeding for this particular study was June. There were
Speaker 1: bears that were bred in July. There were also bears
Speaker 1: that like, the earliest breeding I think they saw was
Speaker 1: in mid May, but the peak of it was mid
Speaker 1: June eleven. And so to me, I've I've used that
Speaker 1: as a again to build this analogy of October and November.
Speaker 1: I mean probably around here, November the eleventh would be
Speaker 1: probably pretty during close to peak breeding time. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean third week, well, probably second week of November, right,
Speaker 1: So I think that's important for people to understand the
Speaker 1: bear rut. Toby, any thoughts, any questions about that? Have
Speaker 1: you ever heard that the bear rut explained like that? Oh?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but just in personal conversations with you
Speaker 1: rather than any other pretty much, if there's a gap
Speaker 1: in conversation with anybody in any place, I start talking
Speaker 1: about the bear rut. Yeah, and then over until it's
Speaker 1: really awkward sometimes I just can't keep it out, and
Speaker 1: then over until like you know, how the egg gets
Speaker 1: implanted and sometimes it's delayed. That's the second thing I talked.
Speaker 1: I talked about the bear rut, and then I talked
Speaker 1: about delayed implantation. Yeah, I'm joking, guys. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: always talk about that. You're right now, I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's part of what makes bear is fascinating,
Speaker 1: but it really, it really does affect the way that
Speaker 1: we hunt them. So okay, going back to the purpose
Speaker 1: of this podcast, spring bear hunting. So spring bear hunting
Speaker 1: takes place in May and June. June is gonna be
Speaker 1: your more breeding activity, which might bring in a Rovin
Speaker 1: a Rovin board that you've never seen. May is gonna
Speaker 1: be more of your feeding stuff. And to me, this
Speaker 1: applies in spotting stock and in bait hunting. When hunting
Speaker 1: British Columbia. Like my buddy Devin Jewel Bear Pacific Bear Outfitters,
Speaker 1: he'll tell you, he tells people this will be a
Speaker 1: rut hunt or this will be a feeding hunt based
Speaker 1: upon the timing in a rut hunt. He believes it's
Speaker 1: tougher for spot and stock bears out in British Columbia
Speaker 1: because he's like, man, you might see a boar on
Speaker 1: the side of that mountain today, then if you don't
Speaker 1: kill him like that time, you're probably not gonna find
Speaker 1: him again. I mean that's a generalization, but that's what
Speaker 1: that's typically what happens. Where if you found that same
Speaker 1: boar in mid May early May, feeding on a hillside
Speaker 1: in a cut block, as they call him. He might
Speaker 1: be there for a few days. You probably go back
Speaker 1: in there and kill him. And so he prefers early season,
Speaker 1: and I have found a ton of outfitters that prefer
Speaker 1: early season. And in my I've I have spring bear
Speaker 1: hunted in Montana two different times and I have yet
Speaker 1: to bring back a bear. And every time I've gone,
Speaker 1: I wish that I had gone earlier, because in the spring,
Speaker 1: you're fighting green up. Green up is the is the
Speaker 1: mass crop quote unquote of the spring. I mean, like
Speaker 1: in the fall down here, we're fighting acrons. If you're baiting,
Speaker 1: if you're hunting them just in the forest like you're
Speaker 1: you're you're you're trying to find them on food source,
Speaker 1: which would be mascrom and the spring. The what they're
Speaker 1: after is green vegetation, and so in early May there's
Speaker 1: less green vegetation. Mountains are cold, high elevations are still frozen,
Speaker 1: and so if lower elevations fall out, bears will be
Speaker 1: concentrated down low at least the bears that are up
Speaker 1: and moving. So that's the general thing. The later you
Speaker 1: get into the spring, if you go on a spring
Speaker 1: bear hunt, and the entire mountain from the foot to
Speaker 1: the top is covered in green vegetation. Bears are gonna
Speaker 1: be spread out and they're gonna be harder to find,
Speaker 1: but all the bears are gonna be moving. So in
Speaker 1: June you're gonna pretty much have a hundred of the
Speaker 1: bears that are they're active. If you go to that
Speaker 1: same place, let's just use Montana as an example. Go
Speaker 1: to that same place in early May, maybe you've only
Speaker 1: got sixty of the bears or sevent you know, some
Speaker 1: percentage of bears are still gonna be fairly inactive. Now
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be dinning, but just their ranges are
Speaker 1: gonna be smaller. So in the early spring their ranges
Speaker 1: are smaller, they are they are sleeping more. Still, they're
Speaker 1: they're not as active. By June they're like fully active.
Speaker 1: So you got a better you You might bump into one.
Speaker 1: You might go in the early season and only see
Speaker 1: one bear. You might go in mid June and see
Speaker 1: five or six bears. But so there's give and take,
Speaker 1: give and take both ways. So we've talked about give
Speaker 1: and take for the rut, and now we've just covered
Speaker 1: the give and take between May and June of the
Speaker 1: food source. Does that make sense? Well, in in June
Speaker 1: would they be more inside the timber, and like May,
Speaker 1: they would be more to places where you could glass
Speaker 1: them up. That's a good they could be because by
Speaker 1: June there would be vegetation in the timber. Like when
Speaker 1: we were in Montana two years ago. Uh. Um. Now
Speaker 1: we went in mid May and man, it was already
Speaker 1: greened up and there was a vegetation everywhere in the timber,
Speaker 1: out in the open. And now in the earlier time,
Speaker 1: the vegetation would only be in places that were receiving
Speaker 1: direct sunlight. Right, so they would be in the cuts
Speaker 1: and the openings that road banks. So later you get
Speaker 1: in the spring, there's just more stuff everywhere. The bears
Speaker 1: are going to be more spread out. But um, any
Speaker 1: any other questions on that thoughts on that it's pretty
Speaker 1: laid out. Uh, kind of gonna get out there. Um.
Speaker 1: So that's rut and feeding patterns, timing of spring bear hunts.
Speaker 1: Let's talk to us a little bit about the Canadian world. Um.
Speaker 1: At Bear Hunting Magazine, we represent about sixty bear outfitters,
Speaker 1: many of which are in Canada. The Canadian pretty much
Speaker 1: all Canadian provinces are open to spring bear hunting, minus
Speaker 1: some of the provinces that people don't even know exists,
Speaker 1: like none of it in some of these places where
Speaker 1: there really aren't I don't think there's black bears and
Speaker 1: none of it. But um, but the main provinces that
Speaker 1: border the United States for sure have spring bear seasons. British, Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, Nova, Scotia,
Speaker 1: New Brunswick. What which one am I leaving out? Have
Speaker 1: I lost you? Boys? About Newfoundland? Newfoundland? Yes? New Oh.
Speaker 1: I hope now o from Newfoundland is listening to this
Speaker 1: because I mean Newfoundland, Um, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, New Brunswick. Uh. Anyway,
Speaker 1: all these, all these Canadian provinces, all of them have
Speaker 1: a spring bear season, and the Canadian government is set
Speaker 1: up in such a way that they want to attract
Speaker 1: US hunters. Said that basically their systems are very easy
Speaker 1: for US hunters to come into Canada into hunts, so
Speaker 1: they're set up for that. They want us to come
Speaker 1: up there. Um, Ryan, tell about well, before we started this,
Speaker 1: you said, you know, you and I started bear hunting
Speaker 1: like ten years ago or fifteen years ago. You were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, hunting here in Arkansas. You know, it was
Speaker 1: always a dream to travel to Canada one day and
Speaker 1: hunt the big bears in the deep woods of Canada.
Speaker 1: And here it is. I've been four or five times
Speaker 1: and you know hunted, Uh just a couple of provinces
Speaker 1: you've hunted, what four or five? But yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: Saskatchewan I think is beautiful. Ontario was unreal, had the
Speaker 1: biggest mosquitoes I think of the other provinces. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Saskatchewan the lower region is all agg and
Speaker 1: uh want what you get mid province up there start
Speaker 1: to hit the shield and the boreal timber and uh
Speaker 1: but that's I think that's my favorite. Right up bear
Speaker 1: it's Askatchewan. Well, I was, I would be the same
Speaker 1: way Ruyn is like Southerners, and I'm using Southerners because
Speaker 1: that's just what we are. Perhaps it's everybody, but like,
Speaker 1: it just seems like this dream to go to Canada
Speaker 1: hunt bears, and I had no idea how easy it
Speaker 1: actually was and how affordable that it is. Now you
Speaker 1: can go on an expensive black bear hunt, but you
Speaker 1: can also go on a cheap one. We talked about
Speaker 1: just I mean you just mentioned Ontario that was a
Speaker 1: cheap bear hunt, Brian, and I went, I mean it
Speaker 1: was a a bear hunt that pretty much anybody that
Speaker 1: is working and trying in life could have probably afforded
Speaker 1: if they had budgeted. And uh, we went up there
Speaker 1: and killed a four hundred and thirty five pound bear
Speaker 1: and another nice bear in three days and we're on
Speaker 1: our way home. And it could have been a more
Speaker 1: you know, furnished hunt, but we wanted the you know,
Speaker 1: more of the do it yourself spike camp and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Dave and Ean, they set us up what
Speaker 1: we wanted and accommodated and and that's that's a good
Speaker 1: example of the kind hunt like. This hunt in Ontario
Speaker 1: was just like, uh, it was just like they had
Speaker 1: a trailer a camper set up out in the woods
Speaker 1: and they said, Okay, here's where you stay, cook your
Speaker 1: own food, here's where the bait sites are. Here's some bait.
Speaker 1: You can bait him yourself. And they pretty much were
Speaker 1: out of the exactly what we were wanted. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: there's no no punches, that's what we wanted. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: we went in there and they had these baitsites going
Speaker 1: and granted we weren't entirely. I mean you got what
Speaker 1: you paid for. I mean, like these baits were just
Speaker 1: right off the road, which we didn't necessarily like, but
Speaker 1: we still can't complain because we killed bear. There's a
Speaker 1: sense of satisfaction and you know, putting yourself in that situation,
Speaker 1: the bating process, and you know, running cameras and you know,
Speaker 1: just like it here at home. We uh, we're woodsman,
Speaker 1: you know, we're always out. They'll do in our own
Speaker 1: kind of hunting. We don't have anybody do it for us.
Speaker 1: So when we went up there and asked for that,
Speaker 1: and that's what they give us. And it was nice
Speaker 1: to go out and run cameras and fill bates and
Speaker 1: the ride four wheelers to the bait and yeah they
Speaker 1: supply us. Yeah that was fun. And we've actually not
Speaker 1: done anything like that since then. So the so that
Speaker 1: the total opposite side of the Canadian spring bear hunting. Now,
Speaker 1: that was in the fall, But if we're just talking
Speaker 1: about Canadian outfitting situation, we uh, the last several years
Speaker 1: we've gone to Saskatchewan, which would have been a high
Speaker 1: end what I would consider a high end black bear hunt.
Speaker 1: A lot of opportunity for color Phase is a wilderness
Speaker 1: hunt way back in the way back waiting. We've already
Speaker 1: had podcasts about that. But point being is that it's
Speaker 1: probably doable if it's in your if you would like
Speaker 1: to go on a Canadian bear hunt. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I help people all the time with Canadian bear hunting stuff.
Speaker 1: I have people call office all the time and just
Speaker 1: kind of get a feel for what it's like, what
Speaker 1: it will cost, who they should go with, and I mean,
Speaker 1: and I can't tell you all those things, but I
Speaker 1: do know that I personally deal with sixty five bear
Speaker 1: outfitters and and know quite a bit about their operations.
Speaker 1: And so somebody will called out here and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I've got this budget, I have these goals, I have
Speaker 1: this time frame. Would you make any suggestions? And and
Speaker 1: all the time I'll give people three or four outfitters
Speaker 1: that I think would fit what they want and they
Speaker 1: call them. So anyway, like we really do try to
Speaker 1: be a resource to people at Bear Hunting Magazine UM
Speaker 1: to try to hook them up with what they're actually
Speaker 1: looking for and hunt. UM. So let's go from Canadian
Speaker 1: provinces to spring hunting here in the US. There are
Speaker 1: certain number of states, Kobe, do we do? We have
Speaker 1: a number of how many states have spring bear hunts? Uh?
Speaker 1: Not complete? Okay, well this is going to be incomplete,
Speaker 1: but let's work together to try to list out the
Speaker 1: United States that have spring bear hunts. Montana yep, Idaho,
Speaker 1: Arizona yep. New Mexico. Does New Mexico have a spring
Speaker 1: bear hunt? I don't see. I don't think so. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: uh Utah has a spring bear hunt. I think there's
Speaker 1: a they have. It's a draw. I think it's a draw.
Speaker 1: What other states do you have? Washington draw ye, Oregon, Oregon, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's drawer over the counter you
Speaker 1: can there's different in Oregon. There's lots of places where
Speaker 1: you have to draw, yeah, but there are places where
Speaker 1: you can buy over the counter. As I understand, there's
Speaker 1: some nast bears in the Northwest. Is a good is
Speaker 1: good and some good hunting. I mean, that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that I found whenever I was doing some
Speaker 1: research was just that a lot of these states are split,
Speaker 1: so some of them you had to draw certain areas
Speaker 1: and some of them you had, you know, some over
Speaker 1: the counter opportunities. Um, and then like Idaho, Idaho, I
Speaker 1: think you can take two bears. Yeah, um Alaska if
Speaker 1: you take a big trip. Yeah, that's a big one obviously.
Speaker 1: Um Maine, you can spring bear hunt on tribal lands.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, there there's some big Native American lands up there.
Speaker 1: One of them is pinab scott Um. You have to
Speaker 1: use an outfitter, but you can spring There's there's outfitters
Speaker 1: that you can spring bear hunt with in Maine. About Minnesota,
Speaker 1: did they None of the none of the Great Lake
Speaker 1: States have have spring bear seasons. Uh, none of the
Speaker 1: Appalai states have bear seasons except for Maine, which to
Speaker 1: Appalachians starting pretty much started Maine. But you and you
Speaker 1: can only spring bear hunt in on the native lands
Speaker 1: in certain places. But in the West, is that all
Speaker 1: there is? Kolbe because there's no spring bear season in
Speaker 1: Colorado anymore. There's no spring bear season in California. Uh. Nevada. See,
Speaker 1: I looked at Nevada and it's just it wasn't very clear. Okay,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to get back with you on Nevada.
Speaker 1: If there is a spring boy, I'm I'm embarrassed. I
Speaker 1: don't know that. But if they have it is hard
Speaker 1: to find. If they have it, it is a small hunt.
Speaker 1: The big states are gonna be the northwestern states of
Speaker 1: Washington and Oregon, but the primary over the counter traveling
Speaker 1: to hunt spring bear states are gonna be Montana and Idaho.
Speaker 1: And Idaho is the bear hunter's paradise. I've actually never
Speaker 1: bear hunted Idaho. I've mountain lion hunt in Idaho. But
Speaker 1: the reason I say it's the bear hunter's paradise is
Speaker 1: a vast The majority of land in Idaho is public land.
Speaker 1: I mean there's I want to say it's over. I
Speaker 1: could be wrong, but you can buy two over the
Speaker 1: counter tags for black bear. You can bait bears on
Speaker 1: public land in certain areas. Do it yourself. We could,
Speaker 1: we could drive up there this spring. Let's go. Let's
Speaker 1: do it with a low debate, and you register your
Speaker 1: bait site with the three bait sites. You can have
Speaker 1: three bait sites per permit, and then you just go
Speaker 1: set up your own baits and hunt. You can run
Speaker 1: hounds in Idaho for bear in the spring in the fall.
Speaker 1: I think I think hounds are prohibited through July thirty one,
Speaker 1: So January one through July one, you can't, and you
Speaker 1: have to have a if you're nonresident, there's a hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy dollar UH fee for a permit to run
Speaker 1: hounds in night. Oh. If you're an out of state hounsman.
Speaker 1: You know, I do know that outfitters can run hounds
Speaker 1: in spring. I mean, I know a guy that's going
Speaker 1: hound hunting this spring in Idaho, So I'm not that
Speaker 1: may be in certain areas areas, but in general, there's
Speaker 1: spring fall season to bear tags over the counter, uh
Speaker 1: some of the over the counter tags in Idaho in
Speaker 1: certain areas or even like forty bucks um in some areas.
Speaker 1: Most of what's the price of tags in Idaho? Kobe, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Whenever I was doing research, they said there were a
Speaker 1: lot of color face bears in Idaho. Yep, a lot
Speaker 1: of non black bears in Idaho. So Idaho is a
Speaker 1: great destination and that that's really all the specifics we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into. We're not gonna go into the real
Speaker 1: details of it. The lot of a lot of great
Speaker 1: bear hun the other states, Montana, which Montana is vastly
Speaker 1: the land and pretty much you're hunting the western side
Speaker 1: of the state. When you're bear hunting in Montana. Highest
Speaker 1: barre dnsities in Montana are going to be in northwest
Speaker 1: Montana UM and much of that ground up there is
Speaker 1: forested except for cut blocks and rhodes um Montana. What's
Speaker 1: a Montana nonresident bar tag? Costs three three and fifty dollars.
Speaker 1: Tell us about what you have to do though. Okay,
Speaker 1: so sent you up there and in greasily country you
Speaker 1: might encounter one. You have to you have to go
Speaker 1: through a process of making sure you can identify black
Speaker 1: black bearry versus degrees. So you take an online a
Speaker 1: little like takes you like five ten minutes. So to
Speaker 1: get your license, you have to have this certification that
Speaker 1: you know how to identify a greasly in the black.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is that you have to
Speaker 1: buy the tag twenty four hours in advance of hunting.
Speaker 1: So unless you buy it before April fourteenth or April
Speaker 1: fourteenth or or before, so a black bear license that's
Speaker 1: purchased after April fourteen, UH can't be used until twenty
Speaker 1: four hours a full twenty four hour cycle after the
Speaker 1: license is issued. Okay, very good. Well, I'm planning a
Speaker 1: spring black bear hunt this year. Do it yourself out
Speaker 1: in Montana. Um, you wanna go with me? Rhyde? How
Speaker 1: many do it for real? Um, I'm gonna take my mules.
Speaker 1: I've been to Montana twice and man it's tough. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I see, I mean, I get all these success
Speaker 1: stories of guys that just roll out to Montana and
Speaker 1: kill Abart on their first hunt. I've been to Montana twice.
Speaker 1: I've spent uh five and six eleven full days bear
Speaker 1: hunt in Montana and have yet to have a bear
Speaker 1: in range of me a legal bear. And have you
Speaker 1: seen any grizzlies while you've been out to Nope? I
Speaker 1: saw a grizzly last spring in British Columbia wild black
Speaker 1: bear hunting, but no there is that I'm hunting. Are
Speaker 1: not the big grids country. Um. But so I've been
Speaker 1: in Montana twice and have yet to kill a bear. Um.
Speaker 1: That being said, i feel like I now know what
Speaker 1: I want to do, and I'm also slightly disadvantaged because
Speaker 1: of the way I want to do it. The older
Speaker 1: I get, the more I want to do things in
Speaker 1: a certain way and I want to do a equine
Speaker 1: based back country hunt. The first one I went on,
Speaker 1: we didn't have horses or mules or anything, and we
Speaker 1: just backpacked in. And when you backpack into these big
Speaker 1: blocks of wilderness, you're kind of stuck there. I mean
Speaker 1: you've committed all this time getting back in there, and
Speaker 1: you kind of just waited out. So you might go
Speaker 1: back in there and not find many bears, and so
Speaker 1: you might sit there for six days and not see
Speaker 1: many bears. Uh. The way that a lot of guys
Speaker 1: are really successful in the West is being really mobile
Speaker 1: using their trucks, I mean driving around glassing Um also
Speaker 1: walking logging roads. There's lots of uh, roads that you
Speaker 1: don't have vehicular access anymore. So they lots of gated
Speaker 1: roads and guys just get on these gated roads and
Speaker 1: walk and so you know they're they're either staying at
Speaker 1: a hotel or they're camping and they're just mobile. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of people have gone
Speaker 1: to riding bikes down those like even like pulling carts
Speaker 1: behind the bike with their gear and stuff. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those would be the yuppies, those would be those would
Speaker 1: be like the hipsterre yuppies, yuppies from like Kansas City.
Speaker 1: The real, the real, the real, gritty men. You know,
Speaker 1: we use mules, but I bet you got a bike
Speaker 1: somewhere though, I keep the mule tied at camp and
Speaker 1: ride by bike ride my quiet cat. Yeah, uh no,
Speaker 1: I'm just I just tea. I say that to say,
Speaker 1: like there's a there's a two friends that have helped
Speaker 1: me in Montana, like have said, you kind of got
Speaker 1: me going in the right direction of where to go.
Speaker 1: And both of them are like, Clay, you're doing it wrong, man,
Speaker 1: you know, because they're killing bears just like leaving their
Speaker 1: house and in their locals. You're just driving around and
Speaker 1: glassing and fighting the bear and getting in there and
Speaker 1: killing it that day or maybe the next day, and
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. And I may end up doing that,
Speaker 1: But right now I have this hunt that I want
Speaker 1: to do, which is a back country equine based hunt
Speaker 1: for black bear. That's just the way I want to
Speaker 1: do it, you know, And so that's what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep doing because I've already I've started it, and it's
Speaker 1: like now I gotta finish it. And you know, when
Speaker 1: I first started trading my mule Izzy the whole, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just envisioned this animal in Montana and I've yet
Speaker 1: to take her up there. So this year, that's my plan.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Montana and Hey, the other thing is
Speaker 1: that whoever went with me Ryan wouldn't necessarily have to
Speaker 1: ride a mule like like, uh, we would just there's
Speaker 1: lots of options. But we could just use the mule
Speaker 1: to pack in all our gear, you know, pack in
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds of gear for comfortable hunt without us
Speaker 1: having to carry big, huge packs back all that distance
Speaker 1: back in there. So that's that's one way to use equals.
Speaker 1: The other way is to uh ride them and have
Speaker 1: a pack animal. So you actually ride and have a
Speaker 1: pack animal. Um, But that's just an equation. That's just
Speaker 1: a personal thing that I like and enjoy. But so
Speaker 1: spring bear honey, any other thought, I mean, we've covered.
Speaker 1: We really covered the things I wanted to cover. I want.
Speaker 1: I wanted to cover just the basics of it, just
Speaker 1: so that someone could just kind of understand when you hunt,
Speaker 1: why you hunt those times, what the bears are doing. Um.
Speaker 1: Where you can hunt Canada, US, there's not really that
Speaker 1: many options in the US. Most of it's in the
Speaker 1: North Way one state in Arizona. I think you know
Speaker 1: what you know, where you can hunt bear well, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it. There may be some tribal
Speaker 1: lands in I want to say New Mexico that you
Speaker 1: can that you can hunt bear in the spring. I
Speaker 1: know for sure in Arizona that there's tribal lands that
Speaker 1: you can hunt the in the spring. But any other
Speaker 1: thoughts on spring bear hunting, like because we're guys that
Speaker 1: weren't used to we did not grow up spring bear hunting.
Speaker 1: Take a thermself for sure. If you go to Canada, yea,
Speaker 1: you know bug suit? I guess you know if it ain't,
Speaker 1: if it's still cool, won't be that bad. But we
Speaker 1: have experienced them them days where it's been bad, especially
Speaker 1: in black flies. Well in the fall has been worse
Speaker 1: than the spring you're up. I guess it depends too
Speaker 1: on how much you know. Some in forest hold moisture
Speaker 1: and some lakes and you got that backwater and might
Speaker 1: not be as bad. Add as you say you experiencing
Speaker 1: bugs when you're in Montana. Or ticks. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what a a deterring factor in my mind when I
Speaker 1: subconsciously think about going to Montana is the ticks. You
Speaker 1: would not have believed in mid May. I mean it
Speaker 1: was like ticks out. I've never seen ticks like that.
Speaker 1: But no, no mosquitoes. I don't know if that was
Speaker 1: an odd thing or just right where we're at. It
Speaker 1: was that bad. But if you sat down to glass
Speaker 1: but in seconds, you would have ticks all over you.
Speaker 1: I mean like big old ticks, not like seed ticks.
Speaker 1: But both trips are more so on the first trip.
Speaker 1: The second trip we got ticks, but not as bad
Speaker 1: first trip with Misty when we went, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was bizarre. But that's and that's something to talk about
Speaker 1: spring bear and a lot of people. I hear it
Speaker 1: so much, it's almost like a limiting factor of people,
Speaker 1: like I bring spring bear hunting. What about the mosquitoes? Man,
Speaker 1: thermal cells have changed that. Gotta have them, but but
Speaker 1: they make it tolerable. I mean there have been times
Speaker 1: when you just would have been fighting mosquitoes the whole time.
Speaker 1: But man, you take a couple of them. I take
Speaker 1: two with me almost everywhere I go in case one breaks,
Speaker 1: take plenty of refill charges. You know, cartridges and paths
Speaker 1: and problem solved nature calls. You better have one. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I think Another thing is if, uh, if you want
Speaker 1: to get into more the draw hunts, maybe looking to
Speaker 1: because it's it's a lot of information to go through.
Speaker 1: You might hire, like go to some service like I
Speaker 1: think go hunt has has a lot of the draws,
Speaker 1: and I think I saw where they added bear to
Speaker 1: their draws, so you can look through different units and
Speaker 1: just see what's offered, and they give a little like
Speaker 1: background behind stuff. So that might be a good resource
Speaker 1: if if you wanted to go. There are some coveted
Speaker 1: bear units specifically in Idaho. There's some draws that you
Speaker 1: can put in. Prince of Wales and Alaska is a
Speaker 1: l primo destination for do it yourself. Yeah cool you.
Speaker 1: I think Prince of Wales for whatever reason, is just
Speaker 1: more accessible and commercialized. Who you is, uh as, I
Speaker 1: understand it. It's a little bit more difficult, but put
Speaker 1: you better have your your first light ring here, right,
Speaker 1: that's right, you better have your secret Prince of Wales.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, um well it am I missing anything
Speaker 1: with this Guy's right on? Well again, this is just
Speaker 1: a series that we're doing of just kind of nitty
Speaker 1: gritty technical stuff about bear hunting. We're gonna continue this
Speaker 1: and then we're also gonna have these I love it.
Speaker 1: Just a good old storytelling, fun podcast or going to
Speaker 1: meeting with it or a province you know, I mean
Speaker 1: kind of that. That's to me what's cool about our podcasts.
Speaker 1: Anything's on the table, even though we are the Bear
Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine podcast and uh but hey, we'll close down,
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Speaker 1: And keep the wild places wild, wild run because that's
Speaker 1: where the bears live. M