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Speaker 1: anything is on the table for topics. We might interview

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Speaker 1: old mountain hunters. We might talk about deer hunting, we

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Speaker 1: premise of this podcast, which is to learn to discuss,

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Speaker 1: to talk about bear hunting. It is late in March

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Speaker 1: value from what you're hearing. Welcome brethren to the Bear

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Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine podcast. We have found ourselves again at the

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Speaker 1: global headquarters Bear Hunting Magazine here in Northwest Arkansas. I

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Speaker 1: have with me today again my good friend Ryan grab

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Speaker 1: and moving. So that's the general thing. The later you

430
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Speaker 1: get into the spring, if you go on a spring

431
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: bear hunt, and the entire mountain from the foot to

432
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: the top is covered in green vegetation. Bears are gonna

433
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: be spread out and they're gonna be harder to find,

434
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: but all the bears are gonna be moving. So in

435
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: June you're gonna pretty much have a hundred of the

436
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: bears that are they're active. If you go to that

437
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: same place, let's just use Montana as an example. Go

438
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: to that same place in early May, maybe you've only

439
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: got sixty of the bears or sevent you know, some

440
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: percentage of bears are still gonna be fairly inactive. Now

441
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be dinning, but just their ranges are

442
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: gonna be smaller. So in the early spring their ranges

443
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: are smaller, they are they are sleeping more. Still, they're

444
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: they're not as active. By June they're like fully active.

445
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: So you got a better you You might bump into one.

446
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: You might go in the early season and only see

447
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: one bear. You might go in mid June and see

448
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: five or six bears. But so there's give and take,

449
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: give and take both ways. So we've talked about give

450
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: and take for the rut, and now we've just covered

451
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: the give and take between May and June of the

452
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: food source. Does that make sense? Well, in in June

453
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: would they be more inside the timber, and like May,

454
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: they would be more to places where you could glass

455
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: them up. That's a good they could be because by

456
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: June there would be vegetation in the timber. Like when

457
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: we were in Montana two years ago. Uh. Um. Now

458
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: we went in mid May and man, it was already

459
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: greened up and there was a vegetation everywhere in the timber,

460
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: out in the open. And now in the earlier time,

461
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: the vegetation would only be in places that were receiving

462
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: direct sunlight. Right, so they would be in the cuts

463
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: and the openings that road banks. So later you get

464
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: in the spring, there's just more stuff everywhere. The bears

465
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: are going to be more spread out. But um, any

466
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: any other questions on that thoughts on that it's pretty

467
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: laid out. Uh, kind of gonna get out there. Um.

468
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: So that's rut and feeding patterns, timing of spring bear hunts.

469
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: Let's talk to us a little bit about the Canadian world. Um.

470
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: At Bear Hunting Magazine, we represent about sixty bear outfitters,

471
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: many of which are in Canada. The Canadian pretty much

472
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: all Canadian provinces are open to spring bear hunting, minus

473
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: some of the provinces that people don't even know exists,

474
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: like none of it in some of these places where

475
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: there really aren't I don't think there's black bears and

476
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: none of it. But um, but the main provinces that

477
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: border the United States for sure have spring bear seasons. British, Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, Nova, Scotia,

478
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: New Brunswick. What which one am I leaving out? Have

479
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: I lost you? Boys? About Newfoundland? Newfoundland? Yes? New Oh.

480
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: I hope now o from Newfoundland is listening to this

481
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: because I mean Newfoundland, Um, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, New Brunswick. Uh. Anyway,

482
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: all these, all these Canadian provinces, all of them have

483
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: a spring bear season, and the Canadian government is set

484
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: up in such a way that they want to attract

485
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: US hunters. Said that basically their systems are very easy

486
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: for US hunters to come into Canada into hunts, so

487
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: they're set up for that. They want us to come

488
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: up there. Um, Ryan, tell about well, before we started this,

489
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: you said, you know, you and I started bear hunting

490
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: like ten years ago or fifteen years ago. You were like, yeah,

491
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, hunting here in Arkansas. You know, it was

492
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: always a dream to travel to Canada one day and

493
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: hunt the big bears in the deep woods of Canada.

494
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: And here it is. I've been four or five times

495
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: and you know hunted, Uh just a couple of provinces

496
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: you've hunted, what four or five? But yeah, it's a

497
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: Saskatchewan I think is beautiful. Ontario was unreal, had the

498
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: biggest mosquitoes I think of the other provinces. But yeah,

499
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, Saskatchewan the lower region is all agg and

500
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: uh want what you get mid province up there start

501
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: to hit the shield and the boreal timber and uh

502
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: but that's I think that's my favorite. Right up bear

503
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: it's Askatchewan. Well, I was, I would be the same

504
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: way Ruyn is like Southerners, and I'm using Southerners because

505
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: that's just what we are. Perhaps it's everybody, but like,

506
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: it just seems like this dream to go to Canada

507
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: hunt bears, and I had no idea how easy it

508
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: actually was and how affordable that it is. Now you

509
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: can go on an expensive black bear hunt, but you

510
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: can also go on a cheap one. We talked about

511
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: just I mean you just mentioned Ontario that was a

512
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: cheap bear hunt, Brian, and I went, I mean it

513
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: was a a bear hunt that pretty much anybody that

514
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: is working and trying in life could have probably afforded

515
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: if they had budgeted. And uh, we went up there

516
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: and killed a four hundred and thirty five pound bear

517
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: and another nice bear in three days and we're on

518
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: our way home. And it could have been a more

519
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, furnished hunt, but we wanted the you know,

520
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: more of the do it yourself spike camp and uh,

521
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, Dave and Ean, they set us up what

522
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: we wanted and accommodated and and that's that's a good

523
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: example of the kind hunt like. This hunt in Ontario

524
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: was just like, uh, it was just like they had

525
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: a trailer a camper set up out in the woods

526
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: and they said, Okay, here's where you stay, cook your

527
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: own food, here's where the bait sites are. Here's some bait.

528
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: You can bait him yourself. And they pretty much were

529
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: out of the exactly what we were wanted. Yeah, and

530
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: there's no no punches, that's what we wanted. Yeah, And

531
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: we went in there and they had these baitsites going

532
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: and granted we weren't entirely. I mean you got what

533
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: you paid for. I mean, like these baits were just

534
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: right off the road, which we didn't necessarily like, but

535
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: we still can't complain because we killed bear. There's a

536
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: sense of satisfaction and you know, putting yourself in that situation,

537
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: the bating process, and you know, running cameras and you know,

538
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: just like it here at home. We uh, we're woodsman,

539
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, we're always out. They'll do in our own

540
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: kind of hunting. We don't have anybody do it for us.

541
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: So when we went up there and asked for that,

542
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: and that's what they give us. And it was nice

543
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: to go out and run cameras and fill bates and

544
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: the ride four wheelers to the bait and yeah they

545
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: supply us. Yeah that was fun. And we've actually not

546
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: done anything like that since then. So the so that

547
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: the total opposite side of the Canadian spring bear hunting. Now,

548
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: that was in the fall, But if we're just talking

549
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: about Canadian outfitting situation, we uh, the last several years

550
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: we've gone to Saskatchewan, which would have been a high

551
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: end what I would consider a high end black bear hunt.

552
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: A lot of opportunity for color Phase is a wilderness

553
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: hunt way back in the way back waiting. We've already

554
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: had podcasts about that. But point being is that it's

555
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: probably doable if it's in your if you would like

556
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: to go on a Canadian bear hunt. And you know what,

557
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: I help people all the time with Canadian bear hunting stuff.

558
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: I have people call office all the time and just

559
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: kind of get a feel for what it's like, what

560
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: it will cost, who they should go with, and I mean,

561
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: and I can't tell you all those things, but I

562
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: do know that I personally deal with sixty five bear

563
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: outfitters and and know quite a bit about their operations.

564
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: And so somebody will called out here and say, hey,

565
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: I've got this budget, I have these goals, I have

566
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: this time frame. Would you make any suggestions? And and

567
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: all the time I'll give people three or four outfitters

568
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: that I think would fit what they want and they

569
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: call them. So anyway, like we really do try to

570
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: be a resource to people at Bear Hunting Magazine UM

571
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: to try to hook them up with what they're actually

572
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: looking for and hunt. UM. So let's go from Canadian

573
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: provinces to spring hunting here in the US. There are

574
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: certain number of states, Kobe, do we do? We have

575
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: a number of how many states have spring bear hunts? Uh?

576
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: Not complete? Okay, well this is going to be incomplete,

577
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: but let's work together to try to list out the

578
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: United States that have spring bear hunts. Montana yep, Idaho,

579
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: Arizona yep. New Mexico. Does New Mexico have a spring

580
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: bear hunt? I don't see. I don't think so. Okay, okay,

581
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: uh Utah has a spring bear hunt. I think there's

582
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: a they have. It's a draw. I think it's a draw.

583
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: What other states do you have? Washington draw ye, Oregon, Oregon, Yeah, yeah,

584
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's drawer over the counter you

585
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: can there's different in Oregon. There's lots of places where

586
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: you have to draw, yeah, but there are places where

587
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: you can buy over the counter. As I understand, there's

588
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: some nast bears in the Northwest. Is a good is

589
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: good and some good hunting. I mean, that's one of

590
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: the things that I found whenever I was doing some

591
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: research was just that a lot of these states are split,

592
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: so some of them you had to draw certain areas

593
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: and some of them you had, you know, some over

594
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: the counter opportunities. Um, and then like Idaho, Idaho, I

595
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: think you can take two bears. Yeah, um Alaska if

596
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: you take a big trip. Yeah, that's a big one obviously.

597
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: Um Maine, you can spring bear hunt on tribal lands.

598
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: Really yeah, there there's some big Native American lands up there.

599
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: One of them is pinab scott Um. You have to

600
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: use an outfitter, but you can spring There's there's outfitters

601
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: that you can spring bear hunt with in Maine. About Minnesota,

602
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: did they None of the none of the Great Lake

603
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: States have have spring bear seasons. Uh, none of the

604
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: Appalai states have bear seasons except for Maine, which to

605
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: Appalachians starting pretty much started Maine. But you and you

606
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: can only spring bear hunt in on the native lands

607
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: in certain places. But in the West, is that all

608
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: there is? Kolbe because there's no spring bear season in

609
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: Colorado anymore. There's no spring bear season in California. Uh. Nevada. See,

610
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: I looked at Nevada and it's just it wasn't very clear. Okay,

611
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to get back with you on Nevada.

612
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: If there is a spring boy, I'm I'm embarrassed. I

613
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: don't know that. But if they have it is hard

614
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: to find. If they have it, it is a small hunt.

615
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: The big states are gonna be the northwestern states of

616
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: Washington and Oregon, but the primary over the counter traveling

617
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: to hunt spring bear states are gonna be Montana and Idaho.

618
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: And Idaho is the bear hunter's paradise. I've actually never

619
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: bear hunted Idaho. I've mountain lion hunt in Idaho. But

620
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: the reason I say it's the bear hunter's paradise is

621
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: a vast The majority of land in Idaho is public land.

622
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean there's I want to say it's over. I

623
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: could be wrong, but you can buy two over the

624
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: counter tags for black bear. You can bait bears on

625
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: public land in certain areas. Do it yourself. We could,

626
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: we could drive up there this spring. Let's go. Let's

627
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: do it with a low debate, and you register your

628
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: bait site with the three bait sites. You can have

629
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: three bait sites per permit, and then you just go

630
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: set up your own baits and hunt. You can run

631
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: hounds in Idaho for bear in the spring in the fall.

632
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: I think I think hounds are prohibited through July thirty one,

633
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: So January one through July one, you can't, and you

634
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: have to have a if you're nonresident, there's a hundred

635
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: and seventy dollar UH fee for a permit to run

636
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: hounds in night. Oh. If you're an out of state hounsman.

637
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: You know, I do know that outfitters can run hounds

638
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: in spring. I mean, I know a guy that's going

639
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: hound hunting this spring in Idaho, So I'm not that

640
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: may be in certain areas areas, but in general, there's

641
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: spring fall season to bear tags over the counter, uh

642
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: some of the over the counter tags in Idaho in

643
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 1: certain areas or even like forty bucks um in some areas.

644
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: Most of what's the price of tags in Idaho? Kobe, Okay, Yeah,

645
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: Whenever I was doing research, they said there were a

646
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: lot of color face bears in Idaho. Yep, a lot

647
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: of non black bears in Idaho. So Idaho is a

648
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: great destination and that that's really all the specifics we're

649
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: gonna get into. We're not gonna go into the real

650
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: details of it. The lot of a lot of great

651
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: bear hun the other states, Montana, which Montana is vastly

652
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: the land and pretty much you're hunting the western side

653
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: of the state. When you're bear hunting in Montana. Highest

654
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: barre dnsities in Montana are going to be in northwest

655
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: Montana UM and much of that ground up there is

656
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: forested except for cut blocks and rhodes um Montana. What's

657
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: a Montana nonresident bar tag? Costs three three and fifty dollars.

658
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: Tell us about what you have to do though. Okay,

659
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: so sent you up there and in greasily country you

660
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: might encounter one. You have to you have to go

661
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: through a process of making sure you can identify black

662
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: black bearry versus degrees. So you take an online a

663
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: little like takes you like five ten minutes. So to

664
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Speaker 1: get your license, you have to have this certification that

665
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: you know how to identify a greasly in the black.

666
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is that you have to

667
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: buy the tag twenty four hours in advance of hunting.

668
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: So unless you buy it before April fourteenth or April

669
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: fourteenth or or before, so a black bear license that's

670
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: purchased after April fourteen, UH can't be used until twenty

671
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: four hours a full twenty four hour cycle after the

672
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: license is issued. Okay, very good. Well, I'm planning a

673
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: spring black bear hunt this year. Do it yourself out

674
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: in Montana. Um, you wanna go with me? Rhyde? How

675
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: many do it for real? Um, I'm gonna take my mules.

676
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: I've been to Montana twice and man it's tough. I mean,

677
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: like I see, I mean, I get all these success

678
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: stories of guys that just roll out to Montana and

679
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: kill Abart on their first hunt. I've been to Montana twice.

680
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: I've spent uh five and six eleven full days bear

681
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: hunt in Montana and have yet to have a bear

682
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: in range of me a legal bear. And have you

683
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: seen any grizzlies while you've been out to Nope? I

684
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: saw a grizzly last spring in British Columbia wild black

685
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: bear hunting, but no there is that I'm hunting. Are

686
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: not the big grids country. Um. But so I've been

687
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: in Montana twice and have yet to kill a bear. Um.

688
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: That being said, i feel like I now know what

689
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: I want to do, and I'm also slightly disadvantaged because

690
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: of the way I want to do it. The older

691
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: I get, the more I want to do things in

692
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: a certain way and I want to do a equine

693
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: based back country hunt. The first one I went on,

694
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: we didn't have horses or mules or anything, and we

695
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: just backpacked in. And when you backpack into these big

696
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: blocks of wilderness, you're kind of stuck there. I mean

697
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: you've committed all this time getting back in there, and

698
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: you kind of just waited out. So you might go

699
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: back in there and not find many bears, and so

700
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: you might sit there for six days and not see

701
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: many bears. Uh. The way that a lot of guys

702
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: are really successful in the West is being really mobile

703
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: using their trucks, I mean driving around glassing Um also

704
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: walking logging roads. There's lots of uh, roads that you

705
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: don't have vehicular access anymore. So they lots of gated

706
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: roads and guys just get on these gated roads and

707
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: walk and so you know they're they're either staying at

708
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: a hotel or they're camping and they're just mobile. Yeah,

709
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of people have gone

710
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: to riding bikes down those like even like pulling carts

711
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: behind the bike with their gear and stuff. Yeah. Yeah,

712
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: those would be the yuppies, those would be those would

713
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: be like the hipsterre yuppies, yuppies from like Kansas City.

714
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: The real, the real, the real, gritty men. You know,

715
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: we use mules, but I bet you got a bike

716
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: somewhere though, I keep the mule tied at camp and

717
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: ride by bike ride my quiet cat. Yeah, uh no,

718
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm just I just tea. I say that to say,

719
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: like there's a there's a two friends that have helped

720
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: me in Montana, like have said, you kind of got

721
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: me going in the right direction of where to go.

722
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: And both of them are like, Clay, you're doing it wrong, man,

723
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, because they're killing bears just like leaving their

724
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: house and in their locals. You're just driving around and

725
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: glassing and fighting the bear and getting in there and

726
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: killing it that day or maybe the next day, and

727
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. And I may end up doing that,

728
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: But right now I have this hunt that I want

729
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: to do, which is a back country equine based hunt

730
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: for black bear. That's just the way I want to

731
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: do it, you know, And so that's what I'm gonna

732
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: keep doing because I've already I've started it, and it's

733
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: like now I gotta finish it. And you know, when

734
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: I first started trading my mule Izzy the whole, I mean,

735
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: I just envisioned this animal in Montana and I've yet

736
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: to take her up there. So this year, that's my plan.

737
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: Let's go to Montana and Hey, the other thing is

738
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: that whoever went with me Ryan wouldn't necessarily have to

739
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: ride a mule like like, uh, we would just there's

740
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: lots of options. But we could just use the mule

741
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: to pack in all our gear, you know, pack in

742
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds of gear for comfortable hunt without us

743
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: having to carry big, huge packs back all that distance

744
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: back in there. So that's that's one way to use equals.

745
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: The other way is to uh ride them and have

746
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: a pack animal. So you actually ride and have a

747
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: pack animal. Um, But that's just an equation. That's just

748
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: a personal thing that I like and enjoy. But so

749
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: spring bear honey, any other thought, I mean, we've covered.

750
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: We really covered the things I wanted to cover. I want.

751
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to cover just the basics of it, just

752
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: so that someone could just kind of understand when you hunt,

753
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: why you hunt those times, what the bears are doing. Um.

754
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: Where you can hunt Canada, US, there's not really that

755
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: many options in the US. Most of it's in the

756
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: North Way one state in Arizona. I think you know

757
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: what you know, where you can hunt bear well, I

758
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: don't want to say it. There may be some tribal

759
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: lands in I want to say New Mexico that you

760
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: can that you can hunt bear in the spring. I

761
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: know for sure in Arizona that there's tribal lands that

762
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: you can hunt the in the spring. But any other

763
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: thoughts on spring bear hunting, like because we're guys that

764
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: weren't used to we did not grow up spring bear hunting.

765
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: Take a thermself for sure. If you go to Canada, yea,

766
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: you know bug suit? I guess you know if it ain't,

767
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: if it's still cool, won't be that bad. But we

768
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: have experienced them them days where it's been bad, especially

769
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: in black flies. Well in the fall has been worse

770
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: than the spring you're up. I guess it depends too

771
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: on how much you know. Some in forest hold moisture

772
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: and some lakes and you got that backwater and might

773
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: not be as bad. Add as you say you experiencing

774
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: bugs when you're in Montana. Or ticks. I'll tell you

775
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: what a a deterring factor in my mind when I

776
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: subconsciously think about going to Montana is the ticks. You

777
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: would not have believed in mid May. I mean it

778
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: was like ticks out. I've never seen ticks like that.

779
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: But no, no mosquitoes. I don't know if that was

780
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: an odd thing or just right where we're at. It

781
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: was that bad. But if you sat down to glass

782
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: but in seconds, you would have ticks all over you.

783
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: I mean like big old ticks, not like seed ticks.

784
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: But both trips are more so on the first trip.

785
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: The second trip we got ticks, but not as bad

786
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: first trip with Misty when we went, I mean, it

787
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: was bizarre. But that's and that's something to talk about

788
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: spring bear and a lot of people. I hear it

789
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: so much, it's almost like a limiting factor of people,

790
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: like I bring spring bear hunting. What about the mosquitoes? Man,

791
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: thermal cells have changed that. Gotta have them, but but

792
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: they make it tolerable. I mean there have been times

793
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: when you just would have been fighting mosquitoes the whole time.

794
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: But man, you take a couple of them. I take

795
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: two with me almost everywhere I go in case one breaks,

796
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: take plenty of refill charges. You know, cartridges and paths

797
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: and problem solved nature calls. You better have one. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

798
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: I think Another thing is if, uh, if you want

799
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: to get into more the draw hunts, maybe looking to

800
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: because it's it's a lot of information to go through.

801
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: You might hire, like go to some service like I

802
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: think go hunt has has a lot of the draws,

803
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: and I think I saw where they added bear to

804
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: their draws, so you can look through different units and

805
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: just see what's offered, and they give a little like

806
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: background behind stuff. So that might be a good resource

807
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: if if you wanted to go. There are some coveted

808
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: bear units specifically in Idaho. There's some draws that you

809
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: can put in. Prince of Wales and Alaska is a

810
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: l primo destination for do it yourself. Yeah cool you.

811
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: I think Prince of Wales for whatever reason, is just

812
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: more accessible and commercialized. Who you is, uh as, I

813
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: understand it. It's a little bit more difficult, but put

814
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: you better have your your first light ring here, right,

815
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: that's right, you better have your secret Prince of Wales.

816
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, um well it am I missing anything

817
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: with this Guy's right on? Well again, this is just

818
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: a series that we're doing of just kind of nitty

819
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: gritty technical stuff about bear hunting. We're gonna continue this

820
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: and then we're also gonna have these I love it.

821
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: Just a good old storytelling, fun podcast or going to

822
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: meeting with it or a province you know, I mean

823
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: kind of that. That's to me what's cool about our podcasts.

824
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: Anything's on the table, even though we are the Bear

825
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine podcast and uh but hey, we'll close down,

826
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: and thanks for checking out the Bear Hunting Magazine podcasts.

827
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: And keep the wild places wild, wild run because that's

828
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: where the bears live. M