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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to Wire to Hunt. I'm your guest

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Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and today I'm talking with Tim Kent

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Speaker 1: how to become a more efficient and effective deer hunter.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wire to Hunt, which is brought to you

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Speaker 1: by First Light. I'm your guest host Tony Peterson. You'll

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Speaker 1: notice that Mark Kenyon is off again, out on another vacation.

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Speaker 1: I think he said he was at the National Hop

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Speaker 1: Scotch Convention down in Tyler, Texas, So feel free to

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Speaker 1: wish him luck down there in that competition. My guest

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Speaker 1: today is Tim Kent. Tim he sells estate for white

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Speaker 1: tail properties. He owns a marketing company in the outdoor space.

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Speaker 1: He is a diehard bow hunter rifle hunter too, i

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Speaker 1: should say, but mostly a bow hunter out in New

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Speaker 1: York State. He makes a track out West at least

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Speaker 1: once a year to hunt elk. The guys ate up

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Speaker 1: with hunting, and he's at a point in his life

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Speaker 1: where he's really figured out how to manage this balance

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Speaker 1: between family and hunting and being super disciplined and kind

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Speaker 1: of freelancing it. Out in the woods. He's got a

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Speaker 1: really neat perspective on white tail hunting and hunting in general,

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Speaker 1: and how you can enjoy it more while also doing

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Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff in the outdoors that helps you

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Speaker 1: level up your woodsmanship. Tim is a great he's a

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Speaker 1: he's a great inspiration, and he really has some nice

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Speaker 1: real world white tail hunting advice. I think you're really

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Speaker 1: going to enjoy this episode, Tim Kenna, how are you doing, Buddy?

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Speaker 1: I am great, Tony. The sun is out. It's like

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Speaker 1: seventy something degrees, low humidity. We can't ask for better

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Speaker 1: weather in New York State. So that always keeps my

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Speaker 1: mood real high. Yeah, after after the heat spell that

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Speaker 1: like dreamy weather. Yeah, you guys really had it. Man.

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Speaker 1: It sounded like it was like jungle hot out there.

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Speaker 1: It was stupid. I mean, it was just it was

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Speaker 1: the kind of weather where you're like, I don't want

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Speaker 1: want to really do a whole lot outside except being

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Speaker 1: the water. And it's it moved on finally, but it

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Speaker 1: stuck around a long time and it was it was

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Speaker 1: rough man. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't do well

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Speaker 1: in those types of conditions, and that I don't mind

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Speaker 1: the heat, but when the humidity kicks up, I just

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Speaker 1: I just don't feel great. My I feel woozy in

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Speaker 1: my head, and I just I could never live down south.

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Speaker 1: I applaud the people that do live down there. It's

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Speaker 1: it's not for me, you know. Take me out to

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Speaker 1: where out west where it's dry. It's it's plenty humid,

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Speaker 1: like in the Lake region where we are, and I'm good.

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Speaker 1: So well, yeah, I'm sure there are Southern bow hunters

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Speaker 1: this or like these guys are such pansies, totally, totally. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll put that badge on my shirt, no problem, Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's got a very special emblem and everything else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they can call me whatever they want. Yeah, well, you

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have you on because you know, you're

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Speaker 1: a good friend of mine and we talk white tail

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Speaker 1: and we've gone through a lot of the trophy hunting

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Speaker 1: and they're out running cameras and they're out doing something,

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Speaker 1: People are taking days off, they're taking weeks off. You know,

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Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why I've been self employed

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Speaker 1: So when it comes to comes to the white tail

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Speaker 1: and training is always a cornerstone that I have in

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Speaker 1: a first world problem, but I did you know, I

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Speaker 1: And it actually works against me when I when I

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Speaker 1: he's not. He's not Yeah, he's not scouting, dear NonStop.

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Speaker 1: He's doing other things. And you know, you mentioned the

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Speaker 1: have these key performance indicators of what what we're doing.

431
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: So with with logging your food, okay, we're calculating macros

432
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: or we're calculating calculating calories, and we're calculating activity and

433
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: how many calories you can eat and all that stuff.

434
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, every day you

435
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 1: have a number that you can look at. And at

436
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: the end of every week, you know you potentially have

437
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: a number off the scale that shows the results. So

438
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, um, I I strength trained harder over the winner.

439
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 1: So I've put on and I ate differently, not in

440
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: a good way. Uh. Then I then I normally traditionally

441
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: do over the over the winter, and I think it

442
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: was sort of COVID related and whatever else. But like

443
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: I put on some muscle mass and I put on

444
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: some fat that came along with that. Now I'm looking

445
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: at things. I'm going, man, I don't want to be

446
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: carrying all this around in the elk woods. I want

447
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: to try and keep what muscle I can, well, the

448
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 1: thing that I need to do is I need to

449
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: control my nutrition in order to do that. And I

450
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: know what, years where I've had really good results at

451
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: doing that are the years where I am really diligent

452
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: about tracking. So that's one example of a place where

453
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: if I'm managing and I'm tracking something, I see a

454
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: result and that result creates happiness. And the same thing

455
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: holds true for hunting. And you and I've talked before

456
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: on podcasts about like making your decisions off of data

457
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: rather than making your decisions off of just just out

458
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: of a whim and your gut is data sometimes. But

459
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're trying sacking all those

460
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: things again, you have those metrics to utilize as you're

461
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: doing it. And you know, I'm not saying, like, go

462
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: and track stuff when it comes to your kids or

463
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: any of that, that you'll drive them crazy, right, they

464
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: don't have the the bandwidth for it. But you know,

465
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: in my world, when I'm keeping track of my stuff,

466
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: I find the highest level of satisfaction and happiness because

467
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm accomplishing and I know it because I'm keeping track.

468
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: You know, maybe that's a little nerd ish um, but

469
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: that's okay because that's what works for me. You know,

470
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's relevant because if you see and

471
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you get these two, but if you see

472
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: the questions that you get from a lot of the

473
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: listeners and a lot of the readers, they're kind of

474
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 1: the same things over and over and over again, like

475
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: what do you look for when you travel to you know,

476
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: X state to hunt public land or you're on a

477
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: new property, what do you look for or And it's

478
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: it's kind of these recurring themes over over again. And

479
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: what it what I find really hard, like the data

480
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: that gets lost in the messages, like my process, right,

481
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: Like you have your process for managing your life because

482
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: you're a busy guy, and you know you're gonna keep

483
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: yourself in shape and you're gonna do a lot of

484
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: stuff to make sure you're happy in the white tailed

485
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: woods and the elk woods. But that's yours. You know,

486
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people listening to this are not tracking

487
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: their calorie. It's not gonna happen. But next year I

488
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: probably won't be either. But you you've got this process

489
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Speaker 1: down and I know for me, like I don't go

490
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Speaker 1: let's say I just pick a random state and I'm

491
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: gonna go hunt in public land there. I don't say

492
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: I have to have, you know, ten way points drop

493
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: that I think are badass spots, right, But I know

494
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: inherently if I've done enough East scouting or not, Like,

495
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: I know if I feel comfortable with the plan that

496
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: I have in place. And that's where the enjoyment comes in.

497
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: The enjoyment eroads when you're sitting there second guessing yourself, going, man,

498
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: I only have two spots. What if there's people in there?

499
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: Or what if you know, so it's blown out of

500
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: the south and I can't hunt either spot, and so

501
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: developing some kind of discipline like that. It's as far

502
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: as saying like this season, I'm going into it, even

503
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: if you're staying at home hunting a lease like you

504
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: might be in New York or you're going somewhere else.

505
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: Is like are you happy with your plan? Like? Do

506
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: you have a plan? First? And then do you have

507
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: enough spots set up? And if you don't, you know,

508
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: if you can't put up a bunch of ladder stands

509
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: or hang ons, do you have enough trees that you

510
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: know you can saddle up in or a couple of

511
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: ground blinds, like how how comfortable are you with with

512
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: not just like opening weekend, maybe the rut, but everything

513
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: in between. Do you feel good about it? And when

514
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: you start sort of you don't have to get like

515
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: crazy analytical about it, But when you start looking at

516
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: it in those ways and going like, am I gonna

517
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: be satisfied with this? It kind of prompts you to

518
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: get after it a little more because you know that

519
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: feeling when you weren't prepared sucks, and you know that

520
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: you didn't kill deer when you went into it, and going, man,

521
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: I only have two stands up. This doesn't feel very good.

522
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: I'll have to get them up later. It's it's not

523
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: the best way to go about it for a lot

524
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: of us. Yeah, for sure. I mean for me, there's

525
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: a point of diminishing return when it comes to planning too,

526
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: because there's an element of me that really does like

527
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: to kind of freewheel and free lance and just go

528
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: and and hit a place that's new or even hunting

529
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 1: here at home, Like I couldn't go and tell you

530
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: like structurally like oh yeah, I'm gonna hit this stand

531
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: throughout the whole season. I mean there's literally just depends

532
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: upon how the wind blows right and and but I

533
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: know that there's certain places on our farms that certain

534
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: times a year, on certain winds, there's a high likelihood

535
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: that's going to happen. And that just comes with with

536
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: a high level of experience and being on the same

537
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: dirt for a really long time. Obviously when it comes

538
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: to hunting that you don't have that same transition if

539
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: you're if you're you know, bopping around on public you know,

540
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: if you go hunt elk or mildeary white tails in

541
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: another place. I generally like I I really like a

542
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: lot of what like Mark Levice has to say. I

543
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: don't know if you're familiar with him, but you know,

544
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: heat tree line pursuits. But like Mark talks about having

545
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: like a hunt plan for LK hunting and then you know,

546
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: these are your spots and this is you know, looking

547
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: for certain terrain features and whatever else. I really go

548
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: into my Western hunts with those those series of things.

549
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: But what I've what I've learned over the years is

550
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: a lot of times, like you're saying, like EA, scouting

551
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: something looks like one thing on the computer, and then

552
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: you get there and you're like, oh gosh, this isn't

553
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: this isn't what I had envisioned at all, you know,

554
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: because you're just I don't care how good you are

555
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: at East scouting, Like there's just there's just an element

556
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: of it that there's a separation between digital and reality.

557
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: And I mean I could speak to that specifically. Two

558
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, Wyoming, my hunting partner Eric and I

559
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: went out and we get there and the terrain was

560
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: totally different it than I had expected, and it would

561
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: I remember like literally pulling in, I'm like, oh, Eric, my, like,

562
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: I think a bunch of my hunt spots are gonna

563
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: be bad, Like we're not gonna be able to go

564
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: to them at all, you know. And a few of

565
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: them definitely were, and some of them turned out to

566
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: be exactly what we had hoped they would be. But um,

567
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, there's just but but we we did, like

568
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: we we freewheeled it once we found certain terrain features

569
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: that the elks seemed to be favoring given that time

570
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: a year and the level of pressure that there was

571
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: and whatever else. We'll be driving down the road and

572
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: you could even see stuff from the road, you know,

573
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: you can obviously see some topographical features and whatever else.

574
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: We're like, you know what, let's just for giggles, let's

575
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: go try that spot tomorrow morning and see what happens.

576
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: And you know, we hit paid or really well by

577
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: doing that, and it was it was super fun. And

578
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: you know, that year we actually got displaced from our

579
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: original hunt area because there was a really big wildfire

580
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: and we actually we had to go to another another

581
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: area in the unit. And uh, I think we only

582
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: had between the two of us, like two hunt areas

583
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: planned out in that spot. Everything else was on the

584
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: other side of the unit. Well, I mean we got

585
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: in there and it was lights out, I mean just

586
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: awesome hunting. And we were already experiencing awesome hunting before that. So, uh,

587
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: you've gotta be flexible. I mean, I think that comes

588
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: back to the happiness thing. You know, if I get

589
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: too regimented, like then my like I was saying, my

590
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: degrees of satisfaction for whatever activity there is, starts to

591
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: diminish as well, and then it becomes no fun, and

592
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, then I become like a d D kid. Okay,

593
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: we're moving on, let's do this. Well, it's I mean,

594
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: the thing that you brought up there with the east scouting.

595
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: That that is the reality we don't talk about much

596
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: where you're gonna get it wrong most of the time,

597
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: Like I mean, you just do and so you get

598
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: in there. But what it is is sometimes you get

599
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: it right, and that's freaking awesome. But most of the

600
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: time you're gonna get it wrong. But it's getting you

601
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: in there to look around, and it's gonna get you

602
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: into these different spots and you go, okay, well, I'm

603
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: I walked in here and this thing sucks. Okay, well

604
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: let's knock it off the list. You're you're you're just

605
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: eliminating dead water like they say when you're fishing, you know.

606
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: But it's also it gives you this really good lesson

607
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: and when you talk about elk this is like this

608
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: gets driven home to you so hard when you all

609
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: hunt is you know, you might get the east cutting right,

610
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: you might get it wrong, but when you get in

611
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: there and you're actually looking around, just trust the sign.

612
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: Trust all the sign that you see. You know, and

613
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: we when we talk about sign all the time is

614
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: rubs and scrapes, but it's it's deer poop and its

615
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: trails and its tracks, and it's just general deer usage.

616
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: That stuff doesn't lie and so often and you know

617
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: this when you go in and you hike into a

618
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: spot that you're like, this is gonna be the most

619
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: badass funnel in the world. And you get in there

620
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: and you look around like they're not there, but yards

621
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: from the truck you cross four trails that are all

622
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: hubbed together for some reason. You're like, oh, this is

623
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: too close. This is not where I need to be,

624
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: and you realize, like, I should have just listened to that.

625
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you go hunt white tails

626
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: enough or elk, you just run into so many of

627
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: those situations where you just doubt it because it's it

628
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: doesn't fit into the plan you built that you're like, Okay,

629
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: this sign looks good, but who cares, I'm going to

630
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, my number one spot, And then you end

631
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: up circling back to that place that you didn't expect,

632
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: and it's it was all just written right there plainist day.

633
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: And you have to you have to have a few

634
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: of those stinging lessons before you really start to listen

635
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: to that stuff. I think, well, what you're describing in

636
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: my mind is like experiential data right, and you can

637
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: carry those pieces of experience with you into each one

638
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: of the new experiences that you're trying to create. So

639
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: you can walk in and I mean, you've proven this

640
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: better than anyone. You can walk into a piece of

641
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: new ground, public, private, or whatever and just look at

642
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: certain things and generally be able to identify within course

643
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: proximity of where the animals are going to be, right,

644
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter whether it's elk, antelope, white tails,

645
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: mule deer, like, once you start understanding what makes all

646
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 1: of those species tick, like, you can see stuff. My

647
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: friend Josh turkey hunting, you know, just banned it. The

648
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: guy's crazy about him, you know, they're just his thing.

649
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: And I talked to him about the scouting for turkeys,

650
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: and I think to myself, like, just just listen firm gobbling, like,

651
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: then go to them. And I don't profess to be

652
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: the world's you know, most enthusiastic turkey hunter. He's got

653
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: a whole system and the whole process and certain things

654
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: that he looks for and distances and everything else. And

655
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: that that dude can walk onto a piece of ground

656
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: and within three days, Gilbert, you know what I mean,

657
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: just done and you know for some people that they're like, well, yeah,

658
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: of course, but they've got they've got that experience shill data, right.

659
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: And for other people they're like, oh wow, that's pretty impressive,

660
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: you know. And so I don't know, it's but all

661
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: of those things, going back to what we keep talking

662
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: about it or like, those are the things that make

663
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: you happy. Those are the things that you know, increase

664
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: those degrees of satisfaction with what you're doing. And you're

665
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: just you're taking all these elements and and mashing them

666
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: together towards levels of success. Well that's you know, your

667
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: buddy who's who's scouting for turkeys that you know, I

668
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: talk a lot about traveling to public land, running and

669
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: gunning and and you know, kind of mixing in a

670
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: deer scouting and a turkey hunting plan or a turkey

671
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: hunting trip. But you really do see that. You know,

672
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: if you're heading you're gonna go down to Nebraska and

673
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna go bow hunt turkeys or running down them

674
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: in the sandhills or whatever you are going to be

675
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: looking at. You're gonna east got a lot, right, Like,

676
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna be looking for certain things and you're gonna

677
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: be pouring over that that the available information you have,

678
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: that doesn't make you a worse deer hunter, you know,

679
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: and if this is one of the things I always

680
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: try to nobody listens to me. But I'm gonna say

681
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: it anyway, like bow hunting turkeys, especially if you travel

682
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: to public land to bow hunt turkeys, the parallels between

683
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: that and and finding deer hunting spots are they're way

684
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: closer than you think. And it's partially just because turkeys

685
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: like to walk certain places just like deer do, and

686
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: oftentimes they're the same places. I mean, we have I

687
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: have hunting here around the Twin Cities where the best

688
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: turkey spots to bow hunt are. You know, these little

689
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: spines between two wetlands where they're going from you know,

690
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: food to roost or whatever. And you know who walks

691
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: through there too, all the freaking deer. Like there's there's

692
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: no difference, right, or if there's an open gate or

693
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: something stupid like that, it's we we kind of have

694
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: undersold the extra value of turkeys. Besides, they're awesome because

695
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: they gobbled you can shoot them in the face with

696
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: a shotgun. But but again, kind of like when you're

697
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: out there, uh, fly fish in somewhere and you see

698
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: some little thing happens something, you know, something that levels

699
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: up your critter sense just a little bit. The same

700
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: thing happens when you're turkey on and the same thing

701
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: happens if you go at small game hunting, if you're

702
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: pheasant hunting with your dog in the late season. All

703
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: of that stuff close you into these little things in

704
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: nature that just make you a better hunter. It's woodsmanship.

705
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: Maybe that that's exactly right. Going back to the anecdote

706
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: I talked about earlier with the with the watching the

707
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: rabbit while I'm walking into a fly fishing hole, I

708
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: mean that is, you know, perfect example of woodsmanship, right.

709
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: You're paying attention to a thing. You know, how many

710
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: times have you dropped your boat into a place that

711
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: you've never fished before and you're just you know, you're

712
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: you're you're looking at your your your depth finder or whatever,

713
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, okay, well look at that. There's

714
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: a rock pile right there. Yeah, there's probably gonna be

715
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: some Smalley's on that rock pile, because everywhere else they're

716
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: Smally's on rock piles like that. You know, it's just

717
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with fly fishing, Like i can

718
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: go on to a piece of water that I've never

719
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: fished before, and I'm patient, so I'll just stand and

720
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: wait and watch. But I'll just watch what the water

721
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: is doing or you know, obviously the polarized glasses, you

722
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: can see a lot of the bottom of the and

723
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: and where depths change and whatever else. And you know,

724
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: just I look for things that I like, you know,

725
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: and and and then I feel confident in that spot

726
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: more than if I see things that I don't like obviously,

727
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: So you know, then I'll end up wetting the line

728
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: and sometimes it pans out, and sometimes it it doesn't.

729
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: But that's that's also what keeps us kind of coming

730
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: back for more, you know. So um, but you know

731
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: what to look for. I guess ultimately that's what we're

732
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: talking about, turkeys, you know everything. Well, I think I

733
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: think it goes even deeper than that. I had this

734
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: this kind of light bulb moment probably about I don't know,

735
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: I think four years ago something like that. I was

736
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: I went pheasant hunting and it was it was I

737
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: think probably back half of November. We didn't have snow yet,

738
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: but anyway, we went out. I was hunting with my

739
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: wife's uncle. We had this little forty acre chunk that

740
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: had a cat tail slew and then it had just

741
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: a bunch of crp grass and then they were they

742
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: were private egg fields across the fence, you know. And

743
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: so most people go in and they walk the fence line.

744
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: You know, they've seen this on they've studied this, this

745
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: habit in Upland hunters a lot. They've you know, they

746
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: know we follow the same routes all the time. The

747
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: pheasants figure that out. And we had gone out, we

748
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: had hunted the way most people do. Then we cut

749
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: through the middle and we ended up I think we

750
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: killed three birds out of there. I don't think we

751
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: got our limit, but we got close. And I just

752
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: remember like sitting at the truck, you know, we were

753
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: watering the dogs and I was like, I think we

754
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: killed those peasants in a staging area because they were

755
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: like they were full, their crops were full. They had

756
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: already gone out and eaten and they'd come back, but

757
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: they weren't back in the really thick, gnarly stuff. They

758
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: were kind of in this little transition stone transition zone.

759
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: And when you when you spend time doing that stuff,

760
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: or like you mentioned the Smalley's, like they you know,

761
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: they go up on the bank and they spawn right

762
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: and then they back off and they recover a little

763
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: bit and maybe a little bit deeper water, and then

764
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: they move into their summer pattern where they might be

765
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: on those deeper rock piles, and everything happens for a reason,

766
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: Like there isn't a lot of randomness there, you know,

767
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: And like I think it's easy to look at pheasants

768
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: or rabbit hunting or something like that and go, well,

769
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: it's just you know, there's just randomness, like they're just

770
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: here because they live here. Well they're right here in

771
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: this specific spot right now for a reason. The same

772
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: thing happens. You know, if guys go elk hunting, it's like, well,

773
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm gonna bugle in a bull because

774
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: they're out covering ground everywhere and they're gonna somebody's gonna

775
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: come in. And you know, those elk are hanging around

776
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: the cows because those cows are living their life to

777
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: not get shot and not get bumped all around, and

778
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: they're feeding in these meadows at midnight and they're doing whatever,

779
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a total method to the madness,

780
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: Like it's not random, just like with the white tail rut.

781
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: The more we study that, there's a lot less randomness

782
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: to it. And I'm sure there's some randomness to it.

783
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: But when you start figuring out those trout that are,

784
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: you know, in the negative feeding pattern, they're just hanging

785
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: there and you can see him, they're not doing anything,

786
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: and ell of a sudden, they move down to that

787
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: seam below that rock. Now he's eating, like all of

788
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: the stuff feeds this this level of just like, Okay,

789
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: I have a little more confidence now because I don't

790
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm not relying on crossing my fingers and hoping that

791
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: buck comes by. I assume he's here and he wants

792
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: to be there, and I'm gonna go between yeah, for sure,

793
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean we experienced it all the time.

794
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's nothing that happens in nature I think, well, sorry,

795
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: that's an absolute statement, um, but there's few things that

796
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: happen in nature just randomly. You know, we want to

797
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: believe that it happens randomly, But I I struggle with that,

798
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that you could take that into

799
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: so many other conversations, but like you know, it's kind

800
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: of back to the food thing. There's nothing that happens

801
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: randomly with food. You know, fuel does certain things for

802
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: you and it has a direct result, and everybody's a

803
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: little bit different. But you know, I don't know, you

804
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: gotta just pay attention to those trends. I guess whether

805
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: they're personally or other things. Yeah, And I mean I

806
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: think you could make the case, you know, if you

807
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: sit there and watch it's so you're you're back in

808
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: some kind of staging area and you're watching a book,

809
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: kind of make a few rubs. He's kind of browsing around.

810
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: He he might randomly walk seventy five yards your way

811
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: and brow is over there like that. That might just

812
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: be like a little whim he has, right, But him

813
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: being there in that spot at that time probably isn't random, right,

814
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: you know. It's the same thing like you know the

815
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: elk that the bull that you run into is just

816
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: screaming his goddamn head off, and he's a gift, you know,

817
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: like in a place you don't expect, Like yeah, maybe

818
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: he just maybe he got his ass kicks and he's

819
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: going to look for somebody else or something, and there

820
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: might be an element of randomness to it. But there's

821
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: probably so much going on that we don't understand that

822
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: it's just like it's easier for us just a default

823
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: to that explanation because we we will never know. We

824
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: have an example of the elk thing I'm talking like

825
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: I have, Like you know, elk are my primary thing,

826
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: and they're really I mean they're not, but like we were.

827
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: We were in Colorado in two thousand and seventeen and

828
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: we're literally in our campsite in a campground and we're

829
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: just they're having lunch. We had hunted in the morning,

830
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: and I just so happened to set up my spotting

831
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: scope and it's it's just sitting there on the tripod.

832
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't even know why I did it. Maybe it

833
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: was in preparation for going to glass something that evening

834
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. And we're literally sitting in camp chairs. I

835
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: got my spotted next to me on the right, and

836
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: I just see this giant ass bull start walking. This

837
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: is this is a campsite that's like right off of

838
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: a major road. There's no there's there's no rhyme or

839
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: reason in my mind why that bull is out cruising

840
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: in the mid This is mid day to go and

841
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: look for cows. I mean, that's exactly just like you

842
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: see out of a white tail box head down, you know,

843
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: trying to take in fill those old factory glands. Whatever.

844
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he's doing, right, He is just cruising.

845
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why would he be up in that spot?

846
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: That makes no sense to me. Why didn't have any

847
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: experience with that area? So that evening we decided we're

848
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: gonna at least go and try. And I'm not not

849
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: even that evening after we watched him walk off, we

850
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: thought he went and maybe went to this one little

851
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: draw and then it went down to a big reservoir. Actually,

852
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: although I'm hold, when we went over there, they had

853
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: clear cut the beetle kill was really bad in that area,

854
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: and they had clear cut this whole area, and it

855
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: was all these all these young conifer trees that were

856
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: growing back. And then where that bullet walked was actually

857
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: like a big spine right, and just before it took

858
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: a big drop, there was this heavy, thick, brushy area.

859
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: So that bull was basically going from one big block

860
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: of timber that we couldn't figure out from our location

861
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: and then going through those two those two areas essentially

862
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: that we're likely betting areas, working the wind and the

863
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: thermals to his advantage, and then going down into this

864
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: other block of timber to take security. And you know,

865
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: we never have we never caught up with that bowl

866
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: obviously never killed them or anything. But it's just one

867
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: of those things where you think you look at something

868
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: on the surface and you go, well that like there's

869
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: nothing there, and that seems so random, But it wasn't

870
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: random at all, Like he was totally working around the people.

871
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it was It was a real eye opener

872
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: for me, to be honest with you, just just just

873
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: showed that there's always purpose, you know what I mean,

874
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 1: or something that's happening with those animals, there's always purpose.

875
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: I think that that's I mean that that's part of

876
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: the reason winter scouting so popular for white tails right

877
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: now is you know, you you hunt all season on

878
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: the property and then you know you kill something, you

879
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: don't whatever. But in March, you go in there and

880
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: you just walk through everything. You don't have those reservations

881
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: like I don't want to go into what I think

882
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: is the better. You just look at everything and you go, man,

883
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: they were using this like crazy, or with the woods

884
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: being as wide open as it is, You're like, I

885
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: see this perfect little subtle ridge that I never paid

886
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: attention to before. And I'll tell you what, man, I've

887
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: started when I have the opportunity. Uh, and it's it's

888
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: totally random. But if I kill a buck somewhere and

889
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: I have a few days, like if I'm hunting with

890
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: my buddies, and my favorite thing is if I kill

891
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: something early and all I can, all I have to

892
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: do is scout and help everybody else out and take

893
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: some pictures. I love going into the places that I

894
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: either killed one or I had a good encounter and

895
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: really sniffing around right after, just to see why, why

896
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: did he come down this hill? Where where was he going?

897
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: Or what? What was really like, what's the bigger picture here?

898
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: Besides I saw this deer come down and do this thing,

899
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: and it's so valuable, man, like I and and and

900
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: then you can keep kind of going back to it,

901
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: you know. Like the example that I like to use,

902
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: I ran across this this really big buck in northern

903
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: Wisconsin a couple of years ago, like a one sixty,

904
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: just a just a killer book. Public Land, Big Woods

905
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: Deer you know, and what he did caught me so

906
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: offt guard, and I ended up killing a different buck

907
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: that night. And so the next day, I'm like, I'm

908
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: going back in there. I just want to look around,

909
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to see this rugby mad just because

910
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to go look at it. But

911
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: I was like, it was just it was like such

912
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: a cool thing to see in such a big deer

913
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: in such a weird place. I'm like, I just gotta

914
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: go in there, like I want to just know. And

915
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: I went back in there, and it was it was

916
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: like so much more benchy, Like it felt like an

917
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: elk spot, right, like when you walk in there and

918
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, there's halfway down this hill or these bluffs,

919
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: there's like this perfect bench. And it was like like

920
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: the picture became so much more clear. And I went

921
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: back in there last winter and walked around again and

922
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: went up there and went went farther back into this

923
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: property and found just a few more things, like this

924
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: really interesting edge between it must be between like a

925
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty years ago they must have logged it,

926
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: and then ten years ago they must have logged it.

927
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: There's an edge in there you know, and it's not

928
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: like a it's it's it's a soft edge, but it's

929
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: like obvious. You know, he was tucked in. There was

930
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: a big bed tucked in back there, fifty yards beyond that,

931
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: and it just it made me that one sighting and

932
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: that one really cool night sitting on standing, like I

933
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: feel like I got lucky with that. Even though I

934
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: had scouted quite a bit to get in there, I

935
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: didn't even have a I didn't know two percent of

936
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: what was going on in there, and I still feel

937
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: like I know about nine but that I feel like

938
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: that's still valuable because it starts to explain like, Okay,

939
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't you'll never know why he was

940
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: actually there, but it sure looks like he was using

941
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: those benches a lot and he had a lot of

942
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: advantages being in there. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, that exploration and

943
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: that um opportunity to learn something new is is so

944
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: much fun. But it's again, it's the same stuff that

945
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: you've learned in other places, just applied to a new spot.

946
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: And now you've got that cash cashed out in your

947
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: mind and okay, ready for the next time you go

948
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: back there, which is cool. Yeah, do you know where

949
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: I think the most most valued what could be the

950
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: most valuable time you could spend in the woods, like

951
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: aw along this vein is is going in after a

952
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: gun season and go after go in after the general

953
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: gun season ends, like a day later, and walk through

954
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: everything and figure out where you jumped the deer because

955
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm sure you've done this out in New York.

956
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: Like it's such a freaking eye opener sometimes where they

957
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: hold up and how many deer can hold up in

958
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: a spot that you just don't go into because you

959
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: can't shoot far, and it's it's a it's it's such

960
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: I think it would be the best strategy for being

961
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: a rifle hunter in a place that gets a lot

962
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: of pressure. Yes, definitely. Yeah, we experienced plenty of that here.

963
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes people talk about I remember reading

964
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: a Jim Shocky article way way way back when when

965
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: he used to write for North American Hunting Club. He

966
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: talked how I believe it was Jim shock He said

967
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: that he didn't believe that deer went nocturnal. He believed

968
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: they went bush turnal. And that's kind of actually what

969
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: you're talking about, right, So they just we take that

970
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: core area and shrink it, shrink it way down. You

971
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: can probably still experience some pretty good activity, but you

972
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: have to you have to kind of be like right

973
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: in that spot or right adjacent to that little spot

974
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: where they're taking refuge, especially during those higher pressure seasons

975
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: like we experience here Wisconsin, gets and Pennsylvania and Michigan.

976
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: You know, they don't just up and disappear, and they

977
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: don't crawl underground like squirrels or rabbits, So they gotta

978
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: be they gotta be somewhere. So but I'm always blown

979
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: away by how many dear will congregate together that time

980
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: of year. I mean, it's just unbelievable, you know, because

981
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: they again, they're all going to take refuge in small areas. Yeah,

982
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: it's I had had such a cool lesson on this

983
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: when I was like probably thirteen or fourteen years old.

984
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: We used to hunt this this area in southeastern Minnesota

985
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: that we had permission on a bunch of different properties.

986
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: There was a lot of land and it was kind

987
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: of like this giant peninsula looking piece of land that

988
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: was framed in by the Root River. So it was

989
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: a lot of bluffy, you know, bluff country type stuff,

990
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: and there was a cabin that we stayed in. It

991
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: was one of my dad's friends, and so we would,

992
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, we'd we'd stay there and then you'd go

993
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: out walk or you know, drive down the road and

994
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: park or whatever. But we always originated from there, and

995
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: then during the gun season, the places we could hunt

996
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: would kind of shrink because some of those landowners only

997
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: gone hunting, you know, and we were bow hunting. And

998
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: my dad one time, I wanted to just keep hunting

999
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: during the gun season, so he said, well, I'm just

1000
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: gonna drop over the hill behind the cabin down that

1001
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 1: just went straight down to the river where we never

1002
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: ever ever went because there's nothing there. And he went

1003
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: down there and was covered in deer and he's like,

1004
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: you gotta go down there, and there was an old

1005
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: permanent stand like four ft off the ground on this hillside,

1006
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: you know. And I will never forget because you know,

1007
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: for us at that time, when the Minnesota gun season started,

1008
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: our our bow season was kind of functionally over, like

1009
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: we would get back into it a little bit in

1010
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: the late season, but we had weeks where I was

1011
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: like we could we we usually couldn't hunt or wouldn't hunt,

1012
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: and then you know, you got that hangover period after

1013
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: the gun season where it's just tough if you're on

1014
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: if you're on pressure ground. And I remember walking over

1015
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: that hill and seeing a buck stand up and just like,

1016
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: holy shit, I've never seen that in my life, you know,

1017
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: And he was like a two year old, which to

1018
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: us then is like a one seventy now, and he

1019
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: took off and I just went and got into that

1020
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: standing almost immediately. I can't remember how many deer I

1021
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: missed that night. I think I missed three times. I

1022
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly, but I had does come from and

1023
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: I missed only does. But it was like I saw

1024
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: like eleven deer that night, and it was one of

1025
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: the most amazing times I've ever had on stand. And

1026
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: I just remember hearing gunshots and and going into it

1027
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: thinking this is gonna be a total waste of time,

1028
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 1: because all I've ever thought in my life is when

1029
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: gun season starts, it's over. And all those deer did

1030
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: was just congregating this one bluff side, you know, over

1031
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: the river where people didn't go, and you know, we

1032
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: we burned it right out after a couple of days,

1033
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: but it was it's stuck with me to this day. Yeah, yeah,

1034
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: there was nothing in there right by your description except

1035
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: all of the deer. Yeah, more deer than I've ever

1036
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: seen in one sit in my life, you know. Yeah,

1037
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: But I think I think that we I I could

1038
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: point to so many times in my life, hunting life

1039
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: where that's happened, and I just love it. I love

1040
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: it in the same way I love these people out

1041
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: there like Alex Hanold who climbed l Cap, you know,

1042
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: the free solo dude. And I love people who show

1043
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: us what can't be done. And I love seeing those

1044
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: things where you're like, I know for a fact this

1045
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: is not gonna work, and then it works. I think

1046
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: we need that stuff in life, and I think that's

1047
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: part of like a sneaky reason why we're so drawn

1048
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: to hunting. Absolutely, I mean again, kind of going back

1049
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: to an earlier part of the conversation, I think that's

1050
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: why some of us are self employed. Do you know

1051
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: we just uh, we just look at it and we go, yeah,

1052
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: I just I gotta I gotta try and figure out

1053
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: how to do it on my own. I need to

1054
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: find that edge of failure and if I crossed it, whoop,

1055
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: I know that I gotta step back hopefully it's not

1056
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: catastrophic failure. But I mean, you know, we're just telling

1057
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: that line all the time, and that's that's okay with me.

1058
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have it any other way. I mean, you know,

1059
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: it's nice to have support without a doubt when there's opportunities.

1060
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I just I personally just I

1061
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: like taking that risk. I mean, it's the same thing

1062
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: like why we do these challenging activities physically too. It's

1063
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: just just kind of taking that risk and challenging yourself

1064
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: and seeing where where the edge is for you. And

1065
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: everybody's edge is different, you know, but I like to

1066
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: test that test that boundary, even to the point where

1067
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: some days this morning is a perfect example, Like I

1068
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: found myself at the gym and I was like, ah,

1069
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's pretty rough. Um, I'm gonna I'm

1070
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: gonna stop at this many reps or whatever. And I

1071
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: was like, no, you know, kind of check yourself. No,

1072
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna experience growth when you when you challenge yourself

1073
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: and challenge that boundary. And you know, some days I'm

1074
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: more motivated to do it than others too. Yeah, Well,

1075
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: motivation motivations like happiness, it's a moving target many way,

1076
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: that's true. So we had a conversation the other day

1077
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: and we got kind of got on this topic and

1078
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk about it anymore because I

1079
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about it on this podcast. But what

1080
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: do you say to people who say they don't have time?

1081
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: Because this this happens all the time with the workout stuff,

1082
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: this happens with the hunting, Like, well, yeah, if I

1083
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: had the time to scout that you do. Oh if

1084
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: I had the time to run that you do. What

1085
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: do you say to people because you you're a busy

1086
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: guy and you make the time. Uh, my feeling is

1087
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: and it's okay that this is the case. My feeling

1088
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: is that you don't have the priority. If if you

1089
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: if you don't have the time, then you don't have

1090
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: the priority. And that's all right if that's your answer.

1091
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: But I think we need to be a little bit

1092
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: more honest with ourselves in that capacity. So, like, I

1093
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: had a conversation not all that long ago and someone

1094
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: was asking me if I if I had done something

1095
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: or gone and seen something or whatever. And I was

1096
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: literally just about to like have the words I haven't

1097
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: had time crossed my lips and I was like, whoa

1098
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: hold on? And I stopped myself and I said, you know,

1099
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: it just hasn't been on my priority list just yet.

1100
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: It's kind of it was higher and it sort of

1101
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: fell down in lieu of other things. So, um, you know,

1102
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: that's the thing. For the things that we really want,

1103
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: we make time, you know. And and if that's you know,

1104
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: if that's l hunting, we make time. If it's training,

1105
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: we make time. If it's family, we make time. And

1106
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: people ask me all the time, they're like, man, how

1107
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: do you how do you run businesses and and do this?

1108
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: And do you ever see your family? Yeah? Man, you know,

1109
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: I have dinner with my family five nights a week.

1110
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: I cook. I cook the majority of those meals. I

1111
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: but it kind of back to my thing about time

1112
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: management earlier by time block for that. And some nights

1113
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: are really basic, you know, breakfast for dinner, we're having

1114
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: eggs or pancakes or whatever, you know, simple things. But um,

1115
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, because that's what we've that's what we've been

1116
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: able to earmark. But you know, and then and then

1117
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: other things are a little bit more extravaging. In a

1118
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: four hour Hankshaw recipe that I'm checking on midday as

1119
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing everything else in my office at home, I'm

1120
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate and then I work from home. But I think,

1121
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: you know, in the wake of the pandemic, a lot

1122
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: of people are fortunate that they work from home. And

1123
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just not one of these types of

1124
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: people who gets distracted by by things. You know. I

1125
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: don't get distracted by the refrigerator. I don't get distracted

1126
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: by the television. I rarely get sucked into the YouTube

1127
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: vortex that often anymore. It happens on occasion, but it's

1128
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: but it's rare because that white board tells me the

1129
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: stuff that I have to get done every day for business,

1130
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: and if that doesn't get done, then that spills over

1131
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: into into personal things. You know. My kids will always

1132
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: joke with me. They're like, Dad, how come your phone

1133
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: gets to use the charger in the truck more when

1134
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: we need it? You know, we we got to do

1135
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: our games. And I'm like, because this is the one

1136
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: that makes the money. This, this is the one that

1137
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: makes it so we can go and do whatever. You know,

1138
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: And but that's the same thing. If you transition that

1139
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: it's it's a matter of of priority and and for me,

1140
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, kind of where we started. There are certain

1141
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: times where you know, white tail scouting falls down my

1142
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: priority list or going to trematory stand or you know,

1143
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: maybe I couldn't do it during daylight hour, so you

1144
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: know I have to I have to do it after

1145
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: dark and people are like, what, how the hell do

1146
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: you do that? It's like, man, you got to get

1147
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: a really good head lamp, and you know, you just

1148
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: you go in and you you start, especially when you

1149
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: know your ground, but you just you make it happen.

1150
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: And um, you know, instead of lane in bed and

1151
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: scrolling Instagram, I'll be I'll be doing that. And I'm

1152
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: not trying to paint myself as like I'm working or

1153
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: grinding or doing whatever all the time. I mean, I

1154
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: take plenty of time to to sit down and have

1155
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: a camp fire with my kids or um, you know,

1156
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: I walk my I walk my dogs with my wife

1157
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: just about every night and that's that's about a forty

1158
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: minute walk and that's time for her and I to

1159
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: catch up, and um, and I love that time. I

1160
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: don't always I have a g SP, as you know, Tony,

1161
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: and I don't always love walking that GSP. But because

1162
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: she she she struggles to be a lady sometimes, but

1163
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: like you know, but but I love that time with

1164
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: with my my wife, and I think she enjoys the

1165
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: time with me too, And we always talk about things

1166
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: and and we get a lot accomplished. And that's something

1167
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: that I I set time aside for. And then we

1168
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: usually come home and we have a tour or two

1169
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: to do, and we do that and we get the

1170
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: girls ready for bed, and I might have to grab

1171
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: a few more minutes for work or up on a

1172
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: phone call call or maybe that's my or whatever. But

1173
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's just a it's just a matter of

1174
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: of priority. If you want something, you you make it.

1175
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: And that for me, that's that's led through with business too.

1176
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if if if I want to make a

1177
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: deal happen or I want to, um, you know, I

1178
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I just I have to invest the time

1179
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: into it, and there's just and if I don't, then

1180
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't that important to me. And again that's my choice,

1181
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 1: and that's okay. If that's somebody's choice, I don't judge

1182
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: them for that, But I I just really struggle with

1183
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: that excuse my my one buddy can send me like

1184
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: twenty podcasts, right, And they'll be like, yeah, listen to

1185
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: these podcasts, and I'm like, uhm, I that I'll say

1186
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't have time for because it's not a priority

1187
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: for me, because, like we've talked about, I don't really

1188
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: listen to music when I run or train, I don't

1189
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: really listen to podcasts. I'm solely focused on that. And

1190
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to paint myself as being this like

1191
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: really staunch disciplinarian on myself. I'm just that's just how

1192
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: I operate best. And I know if I kind of

1193
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: put in the deliberate practice on on something, it works

1194
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: best for me. And uh, you know, I'll grab a

1195
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: podcast in the truck when I'm driving somewhere, or you know,

1196
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: I go to the post office a couple of days

1197
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: a week, and you know, I'll go to the podcast.

1198
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: I go to the post office, listen to half a

1199
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: podcast on the way there, the other half on the

1200
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: way home, and you know that works. Or I'll take

1201
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: a little detour to go check out one of my

1202
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: running spots or phishing spot or you know whatever and

1203
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: gives me a few extra minutes and that type of thing.

1204
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: But those are those are my priorities and that's what's

1205
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: meaningful to me. So I invest in them well. And

1206
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: you you know when you talk about you know, making

1207
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: the time to go cut shooting lanes or or doing

1208
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: it when you can, I think I think that message.

1209
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,479
Speaker 1: You know this when this really became something I had

1210
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: to do. You know, when you when you have two

1211
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: babies at the same time, your free time goes, So

1212
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't I don't. I don't give a shop what

1213
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: anybody says. Like you all of a sudden, your world changes, right,

1214
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: And so that was when that happened. It was like, Okay,

1215
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: now you're gonna have instead of seven or ten days

1216
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: to hunt, you're gonna have four days for this trip.

1217
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: Or instead of making four or five trips to southeastern

1218
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: Minnesota or over to Wisconsin to hang stands and put

1219
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: up cameras and do all this stuff, you're gonna have

1220
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: two days this summer or four days this summer. It

1221
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: really made me go, man, I I was taking sort

1222
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: of the easy way out a lot of times, where

1223
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: I go, you know, I get a stand up. Okay,

1224
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: that was good enough for today. Let's go catch some

1225
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: trout or something like that. And now or you know

1226
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: when it when something like it happens in your life,

1227
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: you have those moments where it's like, Okay, you know,

1228
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: you got to get this stuff done. You know you're

1229
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: gonna have enough time if you really bust your ass,

1230
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: So do that and and get it done, and you

1231
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: realize you start to realize like how efficient you can

1232
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: be with some of this stuff. And it's kind of like,

1233
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about the work from home thing

1234
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: versus going into the office. You know, like when you

1235
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: go from an office job that's a nine to five

1236
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: or to working from home, You're like, man, I used

1237
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: to waste a lot of time in that cubicle, you know,

1238
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: because I had to be there for eight hours and

1239
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: I had three hours of work that day. And so

1240
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: you make the rounds and you talk to people, and

1241
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: you drink a bunch of coffee, and you go out

1242
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: for a long lunch and you just you realize. It

1243
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: makes you a little bit more aware of time. And

1244
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: it's the same thing when you have those moments in

1245
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: your life, like, uh, you know, when we had the girls,

1246
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, now my time I took it for

1247
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: granted before how much time I had. I don't have

1248
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: that anymore, So I better use it much more wisely.

1249
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: I know. I know you've had a few moments in

1250
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: your life where I'm sure that's happening one of them,

1251
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, for the listeners, you know your wife had

1252
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: a battle cancer not that long ago. I'm sure that

1253
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: was one of those moments in your life where you're like, Okay,

1254
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,959
Speaker 1: this this time, time is the commodity that I'm worried about. Now,

1255
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: this is important. Yeah, for sure, that was. I would

1256
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: say that was the biggest perspective changer for me. Um,

1257
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: there was no more room for procrastination because I'm I'm human, right,

1258
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: so procrastination still creeps into my life. And you know

1259
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: I would procrastinate before. I mean not miserably because I

1260
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: was always a get shipped done kind of guy. But um,

1261
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: but it was just different. And when when when she

1262
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: was sick, I mean, it just obviously takes takes everything

1263
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: and kind of turns it on its ear. And you know,

1264
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: she she know, she had chemo, you know, every other week,

1265
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: and then it was just you know, balancing things around

1266
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: that schedule. So that was that was like the center

1267
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: of everything. Every Wednesday she had treatment for these hours

1268
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: and then you know, generally she would feel good and

1269
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: I went. I went with her to every single treatment

1270
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: and um, you know, and then by Friday was when

1271
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: she would start to not feel well well thursty. You know,

1272
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: Thursday evening into Friday she starts to chemo would catch

1273
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: up there, she starting out to feel well, and so

1274
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: we made a plan and we had we were fortunate

1275
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: and then we had really good support with our with

1276
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: our families. You know, both our moms and dads were

1277
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: really supportive and helped us out a lot. But like

1278
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: we built out of structure. But like back to the

1279
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: doing stuff at night thing, I mean, that's candidly where

1280
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: all that came from. You know, like as soon as

1281
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: she would fall asleep on on on Friday evening usually early,

1282
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: I was out the door to go do work. And

1283
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: I mean I did it the entire time that she

1284
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: was sick, because I wasn't taking anything away from her,

1285
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: and we had already sort of vetted out that she

1286
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: generally wouldn't need me. She just needed to sleep, you know,

1287
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: she wanted to be you need to be without disruption.

1288
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like I was super far away. Was

1289
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes away, so she did need me, I

1290
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: could get home quick, but I knew I had things

1291
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: that I needed to do or you know, um, I

1292
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: didn't elk hunt that year. I drew a really a

1293
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: tag that I surrendered. Um, but you know we I

1294
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: still I still need time to train. I just I

1295
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: just swapped my schedule around getting up a little bit earlier,

1296
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: or or doing it at night after she would go

1297
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: to bed and whatever else, because I was just again

1298
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: managing my priorities. But like you said, what really changed

1299
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: there is my daughters. At the time, I have two

1300
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: girls and they were four. I remember this, right, Yeah,

1301
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: they were four and eight. So as you can imagine,

1302
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: as you know kids at that age, they're independent to

1303
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 1: a certain extent, but they still aren't independent enough where

1304
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: they can just run rough shot or fully take care

1305
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: of themselves. I mean, shoot right now. I mean they

1306
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: would live on Cereal if we'd let them, so, I

1307
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: mean that's just one small example. But you know, they

1308
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: required a lot of stuff, and Mom wasn't always able

1309
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: to step into that role. She did an amazing job,

1310
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,959
Speaker 1: and she was incredibly strong, far stronger than I could

1311
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: ever be. Uh, and I could, you know, I could

1312
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: ever sort of imagine being. But um, you know, I

1313
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: had a step into places where kendidly I wasn't used

1314
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: to to to being, you know, because she for a

1315
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: long time she couldn't lift anything, and she you know,

1316
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: there's just there's just all sorts of things that I

1317
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: took for granted, is the best way that I can

1318
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: describe it. And one of those things that I took

1319
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: for granted was the freedom that she allowed me by

1320
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: the time that she gave me to go do my

1321
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: own things. And that was the priority. Shift was Okay, uh,

1322
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: she you know, she's given up a lot of her

1323
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: life and a lot of her time so I can

1324
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: have it. And you know, the the real eye opener

1325
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: was there was a lot of things that I was

1326
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: doing in my life at that point that I had

1327
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: tricked myself into thinking I was doing for my family

1328
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: or for you know, for whatever, and it was not.

1329
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: It was just for me. You know. I was trying

1330
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: to at work, I was trying to even earn at

1331
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: a high level, and I was saying, like, oh, I

1332
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: want to do this to support my family. It wasn't.

1333
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: It was to fuel my ego. It was to fuel

1334
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: a part of me that was missing or whatever, and like,

1335
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, and so when that all happened, I realized,

1336
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: like what mattered, what didn't matter, and you know, re

1337
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: again realigned and re centered my entire life. And I

1338
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: do find myself on occasion, like drifting out. The other day,

1339
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this year, I drew up a

1340
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: Montana ELK tag and I was like, okay, you know,

1341
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: the Montana's dates are a little bit later. And the

1342
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: person that I'm hunting with this saying like, come later

1343
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: in the month. I'm like, hmmm, can I maybe squeeze in,

1344
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: can I you know, can I buy a landowner tag

1345
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,919
Speaker 1: in Colorado or New Mexico and squeeze in a little

1346
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: extra time or whatever? And I'm like, hey, man, no,

1347
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: too much time away from family, too much time away

1348
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: from from business. Like no, just just come to the

1349
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: resolve that you've got a really good tag, focus your

1350
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: energy on that, make that your priority. Don't fragment yourself.

1351
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: And you know, that's That's been one of the big

1352
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: lessons for me, and it is a really big capstone

1353
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: in my in my life with all of this stuff. Yeah,

1354
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: when you um, I have to imagine like that experience,

1355
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 1: it makes you just hyper cognizant of how lucky you

1356
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: are to still get to do this stuff. And and

1357
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 1: probably I don't know about you, so so correct me

1358
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: if I if I'm wrong here, But I get into

1359
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: this weird space where I I can't wait to leave,

1360
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm like, oh my god, I can't

1361
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: wait to go on this hunting trip. And then you

1362
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: get out there for a few days and it's like, God,

1363
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 1: I really missed my kids, Like I really missed my family.

1364
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: But if you have, and this this is a missing

1365
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: component of great trips for most people, is if things

1366
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: are good at home, if everybody's happy, works good, they're

1367
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 1: not calling you, your your spouse is happy, your kids

1368
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: are happy. That's Those are the trips that you go

1369
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: out and you come back and whether you kill something

1370
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: or not, you're like, that was freaking worth it. That's

1371
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: why I do it. And I'm sure I'm sure you've

1372
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: seen this with your hunting partners, especially doing a bigger,

1373
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, Western hunt, which is a big commitment for

1374
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: you guys out there in the Northeast. Like you get

1375
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: you get out there, you get on the road, you

1376
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: got two days on the road, and then you get

1377
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: out there and you're two three days in the back

1378
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 1: country and all of a sudden, you're hunting partners like

1379
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: not having it anymore and thinking about getting back, or

1380
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: the wife's calling all the time, and it changes the

1381
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: whole dynamic, and it's it's a hard thing to get

1382
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,839
Speaker 1: through until you've you've done a few of these trips

1383
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: and have that you know, like yeah, that homeostasis, right,

1384
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: like you know how to make sure everything's gonna be

1385
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: good at home so you can go do this thing

1386
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: and really appreciate it, not feel guilty, not worry about

1387
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: getting back home. And just that's like we we don't

1388
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: talk about that that we kind of we kind of

1389
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: glorify this traveling hunting stuff because you know, we we've

1390
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: figured out how to really enjoy it. But we figured

1391
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: out how to enjoy it because we've been through a

1392
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: lot of the bullshit that can that can happen and

1393
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: make it not fun. And that's that doesn't get talked

1394
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: about a whole lot. It's funny for me, it takes

1395
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: a few days to sink in before I can actually

1396
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: enjoy it. I'm I'm usually sort of stressed out during

1397
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 1: the travel process because we we pretty much drive everywhere,

1398
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 1: so we have control over our gear and stuff. But like,

1399
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, so if we go to Idaho, that's like

1400
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: a thirty two hour drive for us from here. And

1401
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm spending thirty two hours like biting

1402
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: my nails, catching up on all my emails. And then

1403
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: the next two days of three days, while I'm transitioning

1404
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 1: and sort of letting myself unwind and get focused on

1405
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: the hunting and whatever, I'm just not on my game.

1406
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: And then and then I'll get in the zone and

1407
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: then I'm I'm I just really m recognize my own faults,

1408
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: are starting to recognize mental faults. Then I'm good for

1409
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: a few days, and then I kind of pop out

1410
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: and I'm not good again. I get anxious about what's

1411
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: going on at home. I get anxious about business and

1412
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: and other things. And if if I have enough time,

1413
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: I'll drift back in and then feel comfortable. But you know,

1414
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: when I used to do stuff again, when I back

1415
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: in my twenties and when the kids were young, I'd

1416
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: just be like, man, if I had one or two

1417
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,719
Speaker 1: more days, if I had one or two more days.

1418
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 1: And now I find myself I get to the end

1419
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: of the trip, and I'm cutting a trip a day

1420
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: short or half a day short or whatever, because I'm like,

1421
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: I just I gotta call it quits at this point,

1422
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: like I'm done. My mind is not here, it's here.

1423
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: And uh. I was talking to a friend of mine

1424
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: the other day about this too, and I was saying, like,

1425
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: when I get to that point, what I really need

1426
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 1: to do is go to town, catch up on all

1427
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: my emails, and spend an hour on the phone with

1428
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: my wife, getting a full data dump, you know, talk

1429
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: to all the people that I need to talk to,

1430
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: get comfortable again. Maybe go fish for an afternoon, wet

1431
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: a line or an evening or whatever, get my mind

1432
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: off of elk hunting or deer hunting or whatever. And

1433
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: then the next day kind of dive back into it,

1434
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 1: knowing that I have however many days left, or we

1435
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: have however many days left, and you know, have that

1436
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: full immersion and that full commitment, and uh, it's taking me.

1437
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: It's taken me a you know again, that's a newer

1438
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: phenomenon for me, Like I would say, within the last

1439
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: five years, but it's taken me a few a few

1440
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: years to really identify that fault in myself. You know,

1441
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: I just you know, I because I because the way

1442
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: my mind works, I just get anxiety about things. It's

1443
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I've trained so much and

1444
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: and everything else. And it's just when I'm away from

1445
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: those things. Again, especially being a business owner, there's there's

1446
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I don't have a huge business. I

1447
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: don't have like a bunch of employees. I don't have

1448
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that I can delegate things too.

1449
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: So if I'm not doing things, things are falling. Because

1450
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: they're my responsibilities, they're falling. I can't I can't scale

1451
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: them into something else, you know, or someone else. And

1452
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: you know, I have to pay attention to those and

1453
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 1: you know, I've just identified that about myself and I've

1454
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: had to change how I operate. I mean case in

1455
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: point two weekends ago, I went down to the cat

1456
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: Skills in New York. Here we have a camper. I

1457
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: pulled my camper down there and I left Friday night,

1458
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: so I didn't take any time off Friday. I left

1459
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: after normal work hours, drove down, got my rigs set up,

1460
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: went out and did an hour of fishing. But where

1461
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: I was camping no cell phone service at all, and

1462
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: so which is awesome because no film phone service at all,

1463
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: but tolerable because no cell phone service at all. I

1464
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 1: was like freaking out, you know. For two days. I

1465
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: was just like, oh gosh, you know, and I'd run

1466
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: into town and call home and check in or whatever.

1467
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: But it just stressed me out. And then finally on Sunday,

1468
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: I was coming home Monday morning. Finally on Sunday, I

1469
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: kind of dipped into the groove just in time to

1470
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: go home, you know. And I said to my wife

1471
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: as I was driving home, and like, I finally kind

1472
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: of get into the points to the point excuse me,

1473
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: where I'm fully starting to relow acts and then I

1474
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: have to come home. I was fortunate and that we

1475
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: were going back to the same place the following weekend.

1476
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: I just left the camper down there and whatever else,

1477
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,799
Speaker 1: so I knew I had some more days to earmark

1478
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: and whatever. But you know, that's just that's just the

1479
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 1: way that my mind works, and I have to I

1480
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge that and not try and fight certain

1481
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: things or or or figure out ways to hack it

1482
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: or improvement. And I just haven't gotten to that point yet.

1483
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 1: So it's a weird thing when you when you realize that,

1484
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, we we talked about hunting as something that

1485
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: we just love and we're obsessed with and we can't

1486
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: wait to go do. But there are times when you

1487
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: go on a trip or there's times where you go

1488
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,879
Speaker 1: hunting where you're like, I shouldn't be here, I shouldn't

1489
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: be doing this, I don't want to be here, And

1490
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: it's a weird that's a weird thing to talk about.

1491
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I talked about this a lot with like excuses, right,

1492
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: people say, Oh, I'm not gonna sit because it's too hot.

1493
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit because it's too winning, Like don't

1494
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: you want to hunt? Like why are you making excuses

1495
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: to go? And yet I'll go on trips where I've

1496
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: done the same thing. There's there's been times when I'm

1497
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: like I don't ever want this to end, like I

1498
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: want to just keep going. And then there's times where

1499
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm considering going home three days early, like

1500
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: I am I'm out, my I'm in, I'm in the

1501
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:13,879
Speaker 1: wrong headspace, or just something. It's it's hard to manage.

1502
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: It's it's it's and even even if you get to

1503
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: do it a lot, like you and I are both

1504
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,839
Speaker 1: pretty lucky. We've We've done a lot of hunting trips

1505
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: and spent a lot of time out there solo, spent

1506
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: a lot of time out there with buddies, and you

1507
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: just never know when that's gonna that's gonna hit you,

1508
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: and it's just it just is the reality of the game.

1509
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget. Like, you know, we talk about

1510
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: having a good support system at home. I think it

1511
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: was I think it was three years ago. I was

1512
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: out in North Dakota in the middle of October and

1513
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 1: my buddy who was with me, he had to go

1514
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: home early. So I had a couple of I think

1515
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: I had. I think I had five days to hunt

1516
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: and he had to leave after like day three or something.

1517
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: We had kind of you know, like we had he

1518
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: had got there earlier, and then he had to go,

1519
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: and then I got there little later and could stay

1520
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: late or whatever, and I had I kind of got

1521
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: my ass kicked. And then I had these bucks dialed,

1522
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: had three of them coming in. It was like a

1523
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: or three of them browsing their way in. They had

1524
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: like forty five minutes to cover sixty yards. I'm like,

1525
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: this is over. Whichever one gives me the best shot

1526
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,719
Speaker 1: that you could just see it like this is working,

1527
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: this is everything's right. And then I had some dude

1528
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: drive in down this two track where they're not supposed

1529
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: to be driving, blew the whole goddamn river bottom out,

1530
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 1: and I just remember thinking, oh my god, it took

1531
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: me days to get on these deer and and and

1532
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,719
Speaker 1: it was just the worst part about it was they

1533
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,440
Speaker 1: the river bottom exploded. There was dear freaking running everywhere,

1534
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: and I saw those headlights, God damn it. And so

1535
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: I was watching him, and I knew the bucks in

1536
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: front of me had taken off, and so I'm just

1537
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: like in my stand, I'm like, I guess, you know,

1538
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: I'll ride it out or whatever, but you know, done, mentally,

1539
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: I'm gone. And I moved and I looked down. One

1540
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: of those bucks hadn't spooked, and he was still in

1541
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: the willows right by the river, and he was looking

1542
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: right at me in a way, and I was just like,

1543
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: you can't freaking win man. And I went back to

1544
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: camp that night, and I think I was supposed to

1545
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: leave the next day or two days later, and I

1546
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: had also been on there. There were there was another

1547
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: spot that was really tricky to hunt with the wind,

1548
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: but there were big ones on it and I just

1549
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: couldn't get in there. I kept trying to talk myself

1550
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: into it, and anyway I went, I went home, or

1551
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: I went up on the hill. Called my wife. I'm like,

1552
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm I'm coming home, and she's like, why aren't you

1553
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: on those big ones in that other spot? And I

1554
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but it's it's a freaking lost cause, like,

1555
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: and she just talked me in and she's like, just stay,

1556
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,560
Speaker 1: everything's fine here. You've got nothing else going on, Just

1557
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: just stay and ride it out. And I ended up

1558
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: not being able to hunt that spot but my secondary spot,

1559
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 1: and as soon as I walked in there, I killed

1560
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: a great buck like a couple of minutes on stand

1561
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: and it was just one of those things where like

1562
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: I was ready to go. My wife was like, you know,

1563
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: you're just just ride this out, and like that doesn't

1564
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: happen very often. Like that's a nice thing to have happened,

1565
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: you know that. The the thing that you have to

1566
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: realize is when you're there, you're there, You're already you

1567
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, You're already here. And if you

1568
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,640
Speaker 1: pull the plug early and again, I am guilty of

1569
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 1: pulling the plug earlier. If you pull the plug early,

1570
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: then it's then it's and it's over. Like you know,

1571
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: in sales, I say all the time, like, Okay, well,

1572
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 1: if I never asked the person, I've already determined that

1573
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 1: the answer is no. So I have to at least

1574
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 1: have them give me the no or the maybe or whatever, right,

1575
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, so I could totally transition that into a

1576
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 1: different conversation. But uh, you know, like that's the thing.

1577
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 1: You're You're already there. And I can think back to

1578
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: so many hunts, especially when we used to hunt Colorado

1579
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: a lot where we just we bailed out a little

1580
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: bit early because we were afraid that the spot that

1581
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: we were getting into the elk that we were going

1582
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: to kill an elk and then you know, we were

1583
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 1: gonna have to pack it out and it was gonna

1584
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: take us over our time limit. And you know, I

1585
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 1: I used to hunt with these two guys there at

1586
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: the same time, and yeah, I think back, and you

1587
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,040
Speaker 1: know again, I was self employed at that time, and

1588
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: they both work for other people, and I look back

1589
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: at it, I'm like, man, you know, from my perspective,

1590
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: we just had to ask for permission to come back

1591
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 1: half a day later or a day later from work.

1592
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: I don't know that it would have been that big

1593
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: of a deal. Um you know. I know, like these days,

1594
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: my one buddy, his his schedule is like really regimented

1595
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: with his employer. But um, you know, but it's it's

1596
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: just one of those things that we I just I

1597
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: find myself just getting up against the the the end

1598
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: of things, and there are times where I'll say to myself, like,

1599
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,560
Speaker 1: eke this out until the very last second, because it

1600
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: can happen at the very last second. You know, so

1601
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: many instances where that has happened, and then there's plenty

1602
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: of more that it didn't happen, you know, but you

1603
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: don't know unless you stick it out. And that's again,

1604
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: personally one of those things that I'm working on. But

1605
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 1: at the same time, as I've sort of aged my

1606
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: I d g A A factor has gone up quite

1607
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: a bit. So you know, if a hunt doesn't come together,

1608
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 1: there's there's less ego that's bruised, you know, when something happens.

1609
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 1: The only one that still really hurts is you know

1610
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: when you when you've waited to draw an elk tag

1611
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: or a mule deer tag, or analope tag for a

1612
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: long time and then it doesn't come together like those ones,

1613
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: those one sting a bit, you know, and um, but

1614
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: I have to figure out a better process for myself

1615
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: in order to facilitate, you know, being able to stay

1616
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: and and a lot of that for me is just

1617
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 1: finding connectivity so I can feel level set on making

1618
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: sure that things are okay in my absence. And and

1619
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: then and literally one of the things I'm working through

1620
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: because you know, last few years have just been there's

1621
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: been so much anguish for me with with regard to that.

1622
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 1: So you know, I'll get there eventually. It's just a

1623
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: it's a matter of everything else in my life. It's

1624
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,759
Speaker 1: it's a I need to process create a process for it. Yeah,

1625
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 1: well you you bring up those those you know, when

1626
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: you pull a really really good tag for something, and

1627
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: that's a weird experience, you know, in the white tailed world,

1628
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure the probably the easiest to understand is that

1629
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: IOWA tag. Right, anybody who's ever played the points game

1630
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: and give an eyewall your money for years and years

1631
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: and years and finally got that tag. There's a weird

1632
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: feeling with it, like it's it It immediately. It has

1633
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: the immediate possibility of putting you right in a trophy

1634
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: hunter mindset where that's what matters the most, and it's

1635
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: not like, well, I really had this driven home to

1636
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: me last year when I drew my Iowa tag and

1637
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: I hunted down there on that public land because it

1638
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 1: was so fun. It wasn't I mean, it was it

1639
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,560
Speaker 1: was I had I had the goal of killing a

1640
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: good one, but I just knew from scouting and stuff

1641
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: that I was gonna see tons of deer and probably

1642
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 1: beyond lots of them, and it was just so fun,

1643
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 1: and it made me realize, like, man, when you draw

1644
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: that Iowa to egg or you draw that you know,

1645
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: a good elk tag out west, it's so easy to

1646
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 1: just be like, I gotta kill a three thirty plus

1647
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: bull or I gotta kill a hundred and fifty plus

1648
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: white tail because I have this tag and I got

1649
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: X amount invested in and you're supposed to kill big

1650
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: animals when you get those tags. But really, a lot

1651
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: of what that premium prices and that that luck built

1652
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: into drawn it is tied to a quality experience. You know,

1653
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 1: like if you go on an elk hunt and you

1654
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: go to Colorado and you're in an over the counter

1655
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: unit and it's eight days of bumping into other hunters

1656
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 1: and you only hear one real bull bugle and you

1657
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 1: only see three cows. That's a tough deal. That's a

1658
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: low quality experience out there generally in a lot of ways.

1659
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: And then that other tag in the unit where they're

1660
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: only giving out X amount of tags and it's you know,

1661
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: takes eight years to draw it. What what you're getting there? Yeah,

1662
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: you have a better chance of killing one, but you

1663
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: have a way better chance of just having that immersive

1664
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: elk experience that everybody wants. And it's the same thing

1665
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 1: in the white tail world. If you if you go,

1666
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: if you get one of the those tags at Iowa Tag,

1667
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 1: it's still not a guarantee you're gonna you know, like

1668
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a taxidermy bill at the end of it,

1669
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:08,759
Speaker 1: but you have a hell of a lot better chance

1670
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: of going and seeing really cool buck activity and always

1671
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: feeling like you're in the game and and just having

1672
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: a super fun hunt. That's what keeps you I think

1673
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 1: for me, that's what keeps me motivated more through the

1674
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: end when you're continuing to have you know, It's always

1675
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 1: easier when you're not struggling, right, you know. I mean,

1676
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: if you're going out and you're and you're getting into

1677
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: a lot of deer every day and you're having sightings

1678
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 1: of good, good deer in an Iowa or in Illinois

1679
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: or even at home or whatever, it makes it so

1680
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: the process is that much easier if you're just if

1681
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: you feel like you're getting beat up every day and

1682
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: you're grinding and whatever else, it's hard to keep your

1683
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 1: head in the game. I mean it's really really difficult.

1684
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I mean last year I drew

1685
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 1: an Iowa tag too, and I got there just in

1686
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: time for the heat wave. And you know, the dude,

1687
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: I think it was I think I did eight or

1688
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 1: nine all day six, you know, in seventy to eighty

1689
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: degree temperatures. Just not conventional conventional weather for that time

1690
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 1: of year, you know, for second week in November or whatever.

1691
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: It was, um and you know, it is what it is.

1692
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: But you know, I ended up I was fortunately, I

1693
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: ended up shooting a buck on like the last after

1694
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: last afternoon. I had the next morning to hunt, and

1695
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: then I had to I just had to get home

1696
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: because I had stuff going on with my kids and

1697
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: I was out of time. Um, and it ultimately wasn't

1698
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: wasn't the deer that I really went to Iowa four,

1699
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was like it was

1700
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: just like you said, you know, I went there to

1701
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: shoot a hundred and fifty year or or greater and

1702
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: this this deer didn't measure up to that, you know.

1703
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 1: And uh, and I didn't shoot it because it was

1704
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: the last minute. I just kind of had some ground shrinkage.

1705
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 1: But you know, I still had a good experience. I

1706
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 1: still had I still had fun because, like like you said,

1707
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: I was just seeing tons of deer every day. I

1708
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: mean there was not a single sit where I didn't

1709
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: get into the stand and wait, man, I mean I've

1710
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 1: had just thirty forty five minutes. And then you know,

1711
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: at that time of year, I mean there were times

1712
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 1: where it was just I mean, it was just a

1713
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 1: constant flow of deer. You know that there may not

1714
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 1: have been the bucks that I wanted to shoot or whatever,

1715
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 1: but at least keeps you entertained and engaged. I would

1716
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: have stayed longer because I mean literally two days, no

1717
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: right before I left, the day that I actually shot

1718
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: that buck. We had a good weather shift, but I

1719
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 1: was out of time, but I was I was engaged,

1720
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: and I was still excited and whatever else. And that's

1721
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: a very coveted tag. So your spot on with that

1722
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 1: experience thing, and and that's what's I think that's what's

1723
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: worthwhile for for waiting for tags like that, or go

1724
01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: or or paying the expense to go to you know,

1725
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: an out of state place for whatever species it is,

1726
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: even turkeys, because you can you can just have a

1727
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 1: better experience than potentially you can. You know, in other places.

1728
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: We have fantastic hunting where I am in New York.

1729
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: It's it's very very good, but I can unequivocally tell

1730
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 1: you it pales in comparison to you know a few

1731
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 1: other places that I've punted. Um, you know, and I

1732
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: have a blast here, I mean just an absolute blast.

1733
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: But you know, and plus it's cool to just go

1734
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: and adventure. I mean, there's so much of this country

1735
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: to see and using the vehicle of hunting to do it,

1736
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: I think is really it is really kind of a blessing.

1737
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm glad that I've been able to do that.

1738
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, through the things that I've done

1739
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 1: in my career. I mean, I've been all over the

1740
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 1: world because of this stuff. And you know, if I

1741
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 1: were I, I don't know, just doing whatever. I don't

1742
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: know that I would have been afforded those opportunities or

1743
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: been as enthusiastic about how they came together and whatever else.

1744
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: And I've also had to do some trips where I

1745
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: was like, oh gosh, I got to do that again,

1746
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, but it's I think we've been on a

1747
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: few of those together. It happens, but yeah, and it

1748
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 1: is you know that again. This is kind of like, uh,

1749
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: just find your own way type of stuff, right, Like

1750
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: some people don't really like to travel to hunt. They

1751
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: want to stay and and hunt their farm at home.

1752
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: I've got a buddy like that, who's he He'll hunt

1753
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: the same redneck blind over the same food plot every

1754
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: single year till he's dead and be super happy. And

1755
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, that's that. That's your thing. But when

1756
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 1: you when you go out and do a little bit

1757
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: this travel, like, you don't have to go you don't

1758
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 1: have to play the points game in Iowa. But if

1759
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 1: you love hunting, one of the coolest things you can

1760
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 1: do is just go hunt somewhere else, go have that

1761
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: new experience somewhere else. And sometimes it's not about that

1762
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,799
Speaker 1: quality that you know, the the Iowa quality hunt. Sometimes

1763
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: it's just about different, and different can be pretty fun.

1764
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: You know. You kind of realize how you default too

1765
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 1: easy stuff when you've got especially if you've got like

1766
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: a private place set up, it's so easy to go

1767
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 1: sit the same stands you've you've always sat, and kind

1768
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 1: of go sit and there's nothing wrong with that, but

1769
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: it's cool when you if you've kind of slid into

1770
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,799
Speaker 1: that routine to go somewhere where you don't have the option,

1771
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 1: then you realize, man, I gotta start looking for sign,

1772
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: I gotta go mobile, and I gotta I gotta be

1773
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: watching more and it just changes, it changes the hunt

1774
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 1: for you. And you know, some people don't like it,

1775
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: but a lot of people do that and they go, oh,

1776
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: this is I needed this, This is really cool. Well,

1777
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: and you're figuring out something different, right, and that's that's

1778
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: what the the element that of attraction is, right, It's

1779
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: just I don't know I personally, I like walking onto

1780
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 1: a new piece of ground and go like, oh, I've

1781
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: never seen I don't have any experience with any place

1782
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: that I've ever sat here or ever any place that

1783
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: I've ever walked here, Like this is virgin and it's

1784
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: the first time I'm ever garnering any experiences. I mean,

1785
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 1: you know, I remember. It feels like all my memories

1786
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: that are like the strongest and the most positive are

1787
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: the first time that I hunted a species or the

1788
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 1: first time I hunted a species in a certain place

1789
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: or with a certain outfitter. I mean, I don't do

1790
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 1: a ton of outfitted hunts, but like all of those

1791
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: that are the most stand out in my memory are yeah,

1792
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: again those first those first timers. I mean, you know,

1793
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: I used to hunt with this one um, this one

1794
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: hog outfitter, And remember my first experience there was like whoa,

1795
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, blew my mind so so awesome.

1796
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: And then I went back to second time it was

1797
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: still really good. Every time I've been there it was

1798
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 1: really good, but it was a it was a different

1799
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 1: experience each time. And um, you know, I kind of

1800
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: I use that economics term those degrees of satisfaction. My

1801
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: degrees of satisfaction just diminished a little bit and diminished

1802
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: a little bit, and I went from feeling like wow,

1803
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 1: I got to try and figure out a way to

1804
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: do this every year. Two Wow, I'll come back to

1805
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 1: so and so is place whenever I get the chance.

1806
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 1: And you know, and that I was talking to my

1807
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: dad actually about that one place the other day and

1808
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,759
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, would you go back there? I'm like, yeah,

1809
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to try somewhere else. And that

1810
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: happens for most people. I mean, if you talk to

1811
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: most outfitters, their repeat customers, the vast majority of them

1812
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 1: are three times. They'll get them three times, and then

1813
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 1: they're moving on to someone else. And that's just I

1814
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 1: think that's just the kind of the postelione in us, right.

1815
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: The explorer is falling out and we want to we're

1816
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 1: coming out rather like we want to go and check

1817
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 1: out new stuff and and and and look for something

1818
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 1: that gets us more fulfilled. Yeah. Well, I think I

1819
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: think when you bring that that topic up, you're you're

1820
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: kind of touching on that. We love the novelty and

1821
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 1: the idea of some stuff, but we also love the

1822
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: process of hunting. And you know, like hogs are a

1823
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 1: big one, right, So many people want to go I

1824
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:01,680
Speaker 1: want to go on a hog on. I want to

1825
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: go shoot hogs and you go do it and it's

1826
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: freaking fun, you know, like it's sit on that feeder

1827
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 1: and they start coming in and then you're like, I

1828
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 1: kind of want to spot in stock hogs, like I

1829
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: know what it's like to shoot them when they're you know,

1830
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 1: vacuuming up corn underneath the feeder. And then it just

1831
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: it just kind of changes. You're like, Okay, I know

1832
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 1: what this is and it's still a blast. But if

1833
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: you go if you go on a couple of those

1834
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: hunts that are outfit, you're like, Okay, I don't own

1835
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 1: really own that process. I show up and you know,

1836
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 1: and I think we I think we're drawn to that

1837
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 1: part of it a lot more than we think sometimes.

1838
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 1: And that's why that's why white tail hunting, I really think,

1839
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 1: is so there's there's just magnetism to it that we

1840
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: can't really explain very well, but it is. There is

1841
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: such a year round process to it. Even if you

1842
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 1: don't do anything for the next three weeks you're thinking

1843
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: about it, or you might have eastcut did not really

1844
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: paid attention, there's there's something always to be done and

1845
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 1: something always to learn, and you can make it into

1846
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 1: you can find something to do every week or every

1847
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 1: month that that just kind of brings you a little

1848
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 1: bit closer to what you think is going to be success.

1849
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like I kind of look at

1850
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: it like training a bird dog. Right, People will always say, well,

1851
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: I want that finished bird dog, Like there's no such thing.

1852
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 1: I've I work with the best trainers in the world.

1853
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,520
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as a finished bird There's badass

1854
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: dogs that are really good. They're not a compliant, you know,

1855
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: they're not. It's not like they you know, anybody who

1856
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 1: tells you that my dog has never lost a bird

1857
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 1: or you know, we every duck we've ever shot that

1858
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: sailed off into the distance and hit the water has

1859
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 1: come back and my my dog's mouth. That's bullshit. Like

1860
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 1: there's there's not perfection out there, but you can keep

1861
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: working toward it, just like in the white tail world. Hey,

1862
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:48,719
Speaker 1: if you find that per that trainer that makes finished

1863
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: bird dogs, let me know, because yeah, I have one

1864
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 1: that could use that. Well, let me tell you if

1865
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: you find a trainer that tells you they can do

1866
01:32:56,360 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: that the run away gosh, yeah, because they're not going

1867
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 1: to get you there. Tim uh so much fun as

1868
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 1: always buddy, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing

1869
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,719
Speaker 1: your stories and your wisdom. Uh, you're you're out there selling,

1870
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 1: You're selling some land, you're doing a little bit of writing.

1871
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 1: Where where can people find you out there? Yeah? So, um,

1872
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm on Facebook and Instagram, so I have Uh, you

1873
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: can find me on either one of those, just on

1874
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: my kind of personal stuff, which is just Timothy G. Kent.

1875
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:29,640
Speaker 1: There might be some underscores or dots in there, but

1876
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you find me, just look for the

1877
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,680
Speaker 1: funny guys with a kid or a wife, and that's me,

1878
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 1: big smile. That's a And then uh, my I work

1879
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,520
Speaker 1: for white Tail Properties real Estate. I'm a land specialist,

1880
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: and my my white Tail Properties handle is just Tim

1881
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: Kent WP. And that's again on Instagram and and Facebook

1882
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 1: and um yeah, and then I I do some writing

1883
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: for bon Hunter Magazine and a few other places, so

1884
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: you know you can check out some stories there too. Awesome,

1885
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: Thanks buddy, Yeah man. Thanks. That's it for this week

1886
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: on Wired to Hunt. I have been your guest host

1887
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, and I cannot thank you enough for listening.

1888
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 1: Please check in every single week. We're gonna have more

1889
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: good White tail hunting information coming your way on this podcast,

1890
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: on my wire to Hunt Foundations podcasts, at our wire

1891
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Speaker 1: to Hunt website that is full of videos and articles

1892
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 1: on white tail hunting. We've got a ton of new

1893
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1894
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Speaker 1: really good white tail hunting content, so please check that out.

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Speaker 1: As always, again, thank you so much for listening.