1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Media. 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: All right, what up, y'all? 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 3: Hood politics will prop there's about to be a dope interview. 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 3: Normally I don't do back to back guests like this, 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 3: but man, it's just so much happening. 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: It's so much to catch up on. I just thought 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: it was important. 8 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 3: But before I get into that, so in the tap in, y'all, 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 3: was just gonna let me call Mark Carney Matt Carney. Huh, 10 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 3: just the whole episode calling that man by his wrong name. 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 3: Now here's the thing to you who DMed me? Yeah, homie, 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 3: let me have it. And I just had to just 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 3: swallow your pride because honestly, I didn't notice. I didn't 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: notice until I got this DM. That's one of the 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: things from recording by yourself, you know that you gotta 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: catch all the mistakes. Look my bad I am meant 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 3: no disrespect. I now there is a singer named Matt Carney, 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 3: and then I went to high school to dude named 19 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: Matt Carney, and I just look. 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: I apologize, dude. 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 3: I ain't had this much of my badness since I 22 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 3: confuse the Danish and the Dutch. 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: That was embarrassing. 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: But yeah, hey, my bad eye's wrong, and I hope 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 3: y'all know like when I get information wrong that I 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: will own it. And I appreciate y'all who reached out, 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: like hopefully y'all know my heart, but no excuse my 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: bad anyway, this is all right, all right, ladies and gentlemen, 29 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: welcome to the revolution. 30 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: You feel me. 31 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: I don't ever really get to like I feel like 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: I'm the like I'm the I'm the cool zone cousin 33 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: that lives out of town. You know what I'm saying. Uh, 34 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: but James also lives out of town. But he'd be 35 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: getting to go to the barbecue. I don't be getting 36 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: to go to the barbecue every week. You know. 37 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna bring finger into the barbecue. Man. 38 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's I mean, it's like, I mean, like 39 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 3: I get the invice all the time. 40 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. 41 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: So if he's like, yo, write a show, and I'm like, 42 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 3: all right, I mean, dang, I gotta write a second show, 43 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: you know. 44 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 2: A lot of shows the right anyway. 45 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: First of all, walking on to the politics got the 46 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: hommie James style part of the team James and I James. 47 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: I went down to James with James to the to 48 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 3: the border with his crew, of folks and like, uh, 49 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: the term real one fails to do justice to what 50 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: I saw with how you know you know, like y'all 51 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: don't know. But like if you like, hey, man, if 52 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: I go to your hood and don't nobody know you, 53 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 3: none of your stories are true to me. You know 54 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like everything, I don't want to hear none. 55 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: You got to say, I've been to your block, don't 56 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: nobody know who you are? You know what I'm saying. 57 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: So for you to go down for me to go 58 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: down there and really see james accent and see the 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: way that he moves, where he's respected, way he knew 60 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: what to do, it was just like, okay, we got 61 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: us a keeper here. So first of all, thank you, 62 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: appreciate you for that what you're doing for the people. 63 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: James has written an incredible book, God Dog against the State, 64 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: which leads me to what I think we call in 65 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: this episode. This is gonna be a part two of 66 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: what happened two weeks ago, because I had to get 67 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: in an episode about the new Food Pyramid, which is absurd, 68 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: but but we're gonna call it. The show that's running 69 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: this week that we're recording. It is called actually, my friend, 70 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: these are very precedented times. There's nothing which I feel 71 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: like now you can enjoy that. There's nothing more irritating 72 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 3: than seeing some some rather comfortable centrist liberals saying this 73 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: is not the America. 74 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: I know. I'm like you damn right, it's like the 75 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: America you know. 76 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so one the rest of us have been 77 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: on the rest of us have. 78 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: Been trying to tell you exist. 79 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, man, Like if you'd been like you 80 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: were at the border with me two years ago, right, 81 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: and we were making shelters for people out of like 82 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: shit that we had dumpster dives. Yes, to give people context, 83 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: Like we're using like taivek from house wrap and palettes 84 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: because it's going to be freezing. 85 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: It's freezing at night. 86 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: Yes, And there are children, and there are old people, 87 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: and there are sick people, and there are thousands of them. 88 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: And like, through no fault of your own, many of 89 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: your listeners will not have known that was happening unless 90 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: they heard about it from you or me, right, Like, 91 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: that's how you can get to living in suburban La 92 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: or San Diego the America, I know, Yeah, forty five 93 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: minutes away, little children are shivering at night. 94 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: Down the street. 95 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 96 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's crazy because it's like, you know, I've 97 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: like I haven't been at the border, you know what 98 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: I mean. But I think there was something super unique 99 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: about this because of the like the mutual aid element 100 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: of it of like, na, we got a system, there's 101 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 3: no one here, no one's coming to help. 102 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 103 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was stripped up just us right, like in 104 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: an old youth center that we were just like hanging 105 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: out and with bullet holes in the window. 106 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: Fam and the floor, pieces of the floor missing in 107 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 3: the bathroom. Like I was like, these fool this is 108 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: the track cause like hey not playing down here? 109 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 110 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: It was wild yeah, like also very beautiful, like I 111 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: read about this in the book because I feel like 112 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: it was also a very beautiful time because no one 113 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: was coming. But that was okay, yeah, because we were 114 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: going to take care of people. And we took care 115 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: of people for months and months and months, thousands of 116 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: thousands of people, right Like it's and you said we 117 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: were cooking beans in a in a giant yeah colderness 118 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: and what man, Yeah, doing it with a cut through paddle, 119 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: like we made it work. 120 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: Little little stuff that you like you realize you have 121 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 3: to be down, you have to be at the ground level. 122 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: You have to be soiled to understand. 123 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 3: And it was like beans and rice are halal, kosher, vegan, 124 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 3: it's everything. It's like you get to you can feed 125 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: everyone with this, you know what I'm saying. 126 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: I remember seeing. 127 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: That it's so beautiful because I'm just like, oh, yeah, 128 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: like that's that's the realness, you know what I'm saying, 129 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: And what like I don't know a nation off the 130 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: head unless I don't know a culture that don't eat rice, you. 131 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. There was so like such like 132 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: I hate it's weird. In the midst of the. 133 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: Tragedy, it was so ancestral, you know, like like it 134 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: just there was I feel like a connection to the 135 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 3: ancestors in that, Like I mean there was moment that's 136 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: like what we're supposed to be on this pot talking about. 137 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: But there was these moments where I know I was 138 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 3: in a situation where I was talking to these dudes 139 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 3: that it it took me a second to realize they 140 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: was actually North African, so they're because I was trying 141 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: to figure out like why they Spanish sounded like that, 142 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: and it was because they don't speak Spanish, they speak Arabic. 143 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: So they're so. But we were meeting at Spanish, you know. 144 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: What I'm saying, because it was like you don't speak English, 145 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: but both of us know enough Spanish to try to 146 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: figure out what we were saying. So I was just like, 147 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: there's something about this that is just it just feels ancestral, 148 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: you know, like like this like we are we are 149 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: truly experiencing being human here. 150 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 151 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: Man, I don't think it's that far from what I 152 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: wrote about the book actually, like I know, especially talking 153 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: about my book and will, but like that's what the 154 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: one thing that I've learned, like at the border, going 155 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: through the Darien Gap, attending these these civil wars and 156 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: insurgencies and revolutions, right like yeah, it's like even in 157 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: really dark times, we can find really beautiful things if 158 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: so if we allow them to be there, you know, 159 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: and like, yo, we can. 160 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: See that's what we can stop. Now you just nailed it. 161 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: Work. Yeah, Like, like I think when all that stuff 162 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: is away, right, like when the state isn't present, when 163 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: the stakes are high, but also like everyone's pushing in 164 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: the same direction, that's when we can do really beautiful 165 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: things like it wouldn't have worked in the same way 166 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: at the border if there had also been massive engios, 167 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: right or yes, if the fucking California state government had 168 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: turned up, right, like yeah, at least yeah, we'd have 169 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: had someone turn up with a bunch of ham sandwiches, right, 170 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: and then ten thousand government dollars on them, and half 171 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: the people there, wouldn't I mean maybe they would. Yeah, 172 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: maybe they decided to eat them, like choice not mine, 173 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, but like because we were coming from a 174 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: place of like, we're your friends and we want to 175 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: help you, not like with the government, and we're here 176 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: to tell you how to do this. Like we listen 177 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: to people and they were like, yo, we don't eat that. 178 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: Seek people, don't eat this. Hindu people. Okay, let's just 179 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: make rice and beans. It's for everyone, right, Like. 180 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: It's dignifying that like that you took this, took the 181 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: second step. 182 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, because we were always like and like even we 183 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: couldn't have done that if we hadn't been working in 184 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: collaboration with the people on the like when we were 185 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: making shelters. It wasn't you and me rolling in in 186 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: the big white toyota with the un rat like yeah, yeah, 187 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: it's a couple of us in the shitty old pickup 188 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: truck with a bunch of like tools, just being like, yo, 189 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: we're building a shelter, and a bunch of other people 190 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: to come at every and being like okay, you no problem. 191 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: I'm a construction worker in Brazil, Like I've got this cupboard. 192 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: Like who knows what they're doing? 193 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like we'd like I remember one time 194 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: I was building a yurt. I'm out there, like, you know, 195 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: I'm making this year and this guy comes up to 196 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: me and he's like, got the Google Translate at you know, 197 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm building a yut And I was like, yeah, 198 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: building a yu and then he just goes back to 199 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: it again and then he's like, I am carpenter from Uzbekistan. 200 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: Let me show you. 201 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: I was like, here you go, yeah, man, take all 202 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: my ship, take over dog. Here go the tools right there. Yeah. 203 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: But we built with that guy. We built three shelters. 204 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: I remember this really well. For some reason, we build them, 205 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: we set them up, and then we'd missed the food 206 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: because we were busy like finishing stuff right, So we 207 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: wanted to get done because it gets really cold at 208 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: night there and then they're making sure the little children 209 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: and there was pregnant ladies and stuff. They're making sure 210 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: that the older folks, they're getting the shelters right. And 211 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: then they sat with that dude and like we had 212 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: a little fire going. We ate beans and just like 213 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: had a real human connection, just like two dude who 214 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: like making shit. 215 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 2: I love it, bro. It was beautiful. 216 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, my wife, I mean she sneezes and gets 217 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 3: like promoted so like at some point, I mean she 218 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 3: started out volunteering, then she like took over the DII 219 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 3: program at like my daughter's school, and now she's the 220 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: vice principal. Like she can't she just can't lose, you know. 221 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: But anyway, we were talking a few days ago because 222 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: it's like she don't really want that job, like she 223 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 3: wants to do DEI you know, and community laison. You 224 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like that's what she wants to do, 225 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: you know. But anyway, she talked about she's really good 226 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: at figuring out systems and efficiencies and clarity, and she 227 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: was like I never saw I'm like I'm paraphrasing, but 228 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 3: basically she was like efficiency as an act of love. 229 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: And I was like I never thought about that that. 230 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 3: She was like, this is the best way for me 231 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: to love these children, the children in this neighborhood, is 232 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: to make sure that your school runs is efficiency. Thee 233 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: my employees, the people that got an answer to if 234 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 3: I can be as efficient as possible, I'm loving you. 235 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: This ain't about like me, you know what I'm saying. 236 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 3: So yeah, you feel me so like I I that 237 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 3: that to me, Like I go back to, like, you know, 238 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: that moment of being down there with y'all. 239 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: I was like, this is actually pretty efficient. 240 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 3: Like y'all you get together in the morning, we collect 241 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 3: the things, he cooks, the stuff. We drive over at 242 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: this time during the day. Your team over there, we're 243 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: building stuff. We have all these find outs, building things 244 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: about it. And then a truck rolled up for everybody 245 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: be able to charge stuff, you know, so they had 246 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: all the little power things we're abody to charge. I 247 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: was like, this is actually, oh, y'all done this before, 248 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is this is an act of love, 249 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 3: you know, And it was just it was just so 250 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: beautiful to see. 251 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. 252 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: It was a beautiful time. Like it was difficult but 253 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: hard to get me. Gives me so much more hope 254 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: when you do that. Like if I was just like 255 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: a Twitter and the Kist or whatever, like I'd feel 256 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: so fucking hopeless because I don't know the people can 257 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: like I don't know, I don't My belief in people 258 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: is not like something I worked out on the ground 259 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: if I'm just an Internet leftist, right, Like, I believe 260 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: in people because I've seen them do. 261 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: Shit there and I know. 262 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: It's true, which brings us to this book that where 263 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: it was like, oh, yeah, you actually saw it. So 264 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: I want to read a quote here from I mean, 265 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 3: this is just like the Preference, So I'm just like 266 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 3: out the Gate. One thing I appreciated here is the framing. 267 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: So obviously these are your words, but I'm going to 268 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 3: read them back to you for the listeners. Says, yet 269 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: people alone are not sufficient of warfare in the modern era. 270 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 3: Wars today involve massive amounts of material. The state and 271 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: the corporations have spent centuries honing new and efficient ways 272 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 3: to kill people, from intercontinental ballistic missiles to thermo optics, 273 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 3: from the fighter bomber to the guided artillery shell. These 274 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 3: innovations developed with money extracted from working people in forms 275 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 3: of taxes have made war more efficient and more concentrated, 276 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 3: the ability to kill in the hands of the wealthiest 277 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 3: states on earth. 278 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: My boy, like. 279 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: The we all know it's a racket. Like everybody knows 280 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: it's a racket. You know what I'm saying. 281 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: We obviously, you know, us in the West. 282 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 3: Like our just unbelievable romanticized view of the valiancy of 283 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 3: war and then just the idea of just like gadgets 284 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 3: are cool. But when you step back and say, spending 285 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: billions of dollars to remove the valiancy from war, so 286 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 3: let's set that aside and to kill faster, more efficiently 287 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: from the safety of our homes, is this still something 288 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: you want to be a part of, Like to like 289 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: step back and say, like, these aren't the nights at 290 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: the roundtable, because like, what are you talking about? Like 291 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 3: this ship is an industry. I love the way you 292 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 3: frame that by the wealthy est states on Earth. First 293 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: of all, I just wanted to step back and be 294 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: like bars, but like, why do you think it was. 295 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: So important to be like, Okay, before we start this 296 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: what we talk about. 297 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: Man, we got to right, Like I think people sometimes 298 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: think because I write about this because I've been to 299 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: these places that I think that war is cool or 300 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: desirable or fun or just something that should be part 301 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: of the human experience. And I don't. Like I have 302 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: lost people I love so dearly in the time writing 303 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: this book, right, and like their absence is something I 304 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: feel every day. War is horrible, and I wanted to, 305 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: like we need to anchor the text there, right, Yeah, 306 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: we're going to go talk about war. We're going to 307 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: go talk about how these people have met with moments 308 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: of warfare and in some cases succeeded. But like we 309 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: need to begin with the fact that war is a 310 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: racket and it's deeply undesirable, and it's so easy to 311 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: forget that. Like you see what's happening in Venezuela, what's 312 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: happening in Iran right now? Right, Like there's far too 313 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: many people on the left who are willing to excuse 314 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: state violence. And yeah, it's because it's so it's on 315 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: their phone, right, they can put the lock screen on, 316 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: turn the phone down, and it's gone away now because 317 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: it's not their drink dying. 318 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I have sat. 319 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: In a room with a mother and a father and 320 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: a sister, and I have heard them tell me about 321 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: their thirteen year old little boy and how he went 322 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: out of that room where the family all sleeps together 323 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: on the floor right in the way that they do 324 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: in that part of the world, and he went five 325 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: hundred meters to a place where he was learning to 326 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: fix motorcycles. And then Turkey dropped a bomb on the 327 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: market and. 328 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 3: Just clazer out the sky like yeah, man, Like I 329 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: feel like people don't realize how freaky that is. Like 330 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 3: that's the part where I'm like, do you understand, like 331 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 3: what a drone strike psychologically feels like like that? 332 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: Yeah? Like that, I don't think it's very hard. I 333 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: did not until I was in Java during a drone 334 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: warfare campaign in twenty twenty three. I had not appreciated 335 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: the psychological damage that it does to you at one 336 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: point or another. If you're unlucky, very unlucky, death will 337 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: come out the night's guy and take. 338 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 2: You away out of nowhere. 339 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: You don't get it. You're gonna get to fight back. 340 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: You don't get to go down like a hero. One 341 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: minute you're driving me a car, the next minute you're dead. 342 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: And the thing is like you don't which is again, 343 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 3: I mean the cornerstone premise of like the politics is 344 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 3: like I mean, using edgey speech, it's like, well, look, 345 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 3: I'm accessing prior knowledge, you know what I'm saying. So 346 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, so here prior knowledge from the 347 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 3: inner city, especially the era that I'm from to where 348 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 3: it's just like realizing now as a father after going 349 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 3: through therapy, blah blah blah, Like even if you didn't 350 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 3: sign up for this gang shit like you like I 351 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 3: didn't sign up for this, it don't matter at all, 352 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying at any moment, you know 353 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And me realizing like like I said, 354 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 3: me and my wife are just cracking jokes about this. 355 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: Me realizing like my. 356 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 3: Ability to stay cool and always have something to say, 357 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: something funny, something to like move, how to like politic 358 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 3: and just like, man, there's probably a better way say this. 359 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: It's because you're you're sitting in a room with people 360 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: that are you grew up with. You know what I'm saying, 361 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 3: Like this dude's dated you, sister. You know he's a cousin. 362 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: These they're murderers and if you and if you say 363 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 3: the wrong thing, I don't know, I don't know if 364 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 3: we're gonna make home, if you just happen to be like, oh, 365 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 3: there's construction on Fourth Street, so I have to turn 366 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 3: down this side street just so I can walk home. 367 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: You just happen to turn and you see that group 368 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: of homies and it's like, well, now I can't turn 369 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 3: around because you we already like I have. 370 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: To keep walking this way. It's like here we go. 371 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 3: So that just like tight like constant feeling of fight 372 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: or flight. Yeah, it doesn't go away, you know what 373 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 3: I'm saying. So when you so when you are froggy, 374 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 3: when you do feel like when anybody in a grocery 375 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: store say excuse me what you say? Like, it's just 376 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: there's this like I'm because I feel like any moment 377 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 3: could be life or dead. And we ain't even talking 378 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 3: about the cop shit, you know what I'm saying, Like, 379 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 3: don't you know? So So with that like that constant vigilance, 380 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 3: we me and me and the hommies even even crack 381 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 3: jokes about it, Like you could tell in a young 382 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: man's face just this just his smile lines if he 383 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 3: was really outside, because it it's on your it shows 384 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 3: on your face. You know what I'm saying that like 385 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: the just the the psychological and this not even like 386 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: you ain't even got into nothing yet, just the psychological 387 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: effects of having to be in a constant state of vigilance. 388 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: And then for again using the comparison, then then you say, okay, 389 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: so we got Cripson bloods out here or whatever. 390 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: Right, you go to Monterey Park. 391 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 3: You go to like or you go to the historic 392 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: Filipino town or you know down in Currito's where the 393 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 3: Vietnamese are, and it's like, will they will? 394 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: They fought armies, like their ops were armies. You know 395 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. 396 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 3: They're they're from Third World war torn countries. We just 397 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: fought other brothers, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, 398 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 3: you took on military so so, and I remember feeling like, 399 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: oh they different, Joe said, because I lived pretty close 400 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: to like a Filipino like neighbor. I was like, oh, 401 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 3: that's because you fought the government. Like that's that's different, 402 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So the type of like fearlessness, 403 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 3: well what feels like fearlessness to us, but was just 404 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 3: I mean, it's trauma, you know what I'm saying. 405 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: Is something again that I feel like, yeah, you don't. 406 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: You have to be there when you when you're there, 407 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 3: it's just a different experience. 408 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you have to like if we can't feel 409 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: the things that people feel, and like I'm not from 410 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: those communities, I'm not credation. 411 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: Gon to talk about later, Yeah but anyway. 412 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: That Spanish, But like I think you have to go, 413 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: like you just have, Like I can explain stuff so 414 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: much better now that I've been there, right, Like I 415 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: can understand the way things happen because I've seen where 416 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: they happen, and like it. 417 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 2: Just you have to see it. Yeah, you have to 418 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 2: see it. 419 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: You have to feel it, like you have to be 420 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: in the ship when they're in the ship, right, like 421 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: like that's important, Like it's it sucks, don't getting me wrong. 422 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: Like I remember when I went, when I entered it 423 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: to western Kurdistan, right from southern Kurdistan, going across the 424 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: the river between i Rack and Syria, right the Tigris, 425 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: the Iraqi intelligence guy, the you know government security guy 426 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: who's interrogating me before I leave. It's like, bro, they 427 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: are right there, like people are dying. Man, as a'm 428 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: warebro like like that that's that's what I do. Yeah, yeah, 429 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: Like would I be throughing this if I wasn't? He 430 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: was like, find about it. He was like like he's like, 431 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm obliged to tell you that we advise you not 432 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: to go. 433 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: All right, future prop here. 434 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: It's at this moment that I realized this interview getting 435 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: loan and there was no clean chop because I didn't 436 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 3: think it was gonna get this long. So what we're 437 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 3: gonna do is we're gonna chop this mug and say 438 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 3: the rest for next week. 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