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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast. Can't wait to go to

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Speaker 1: Cutter Qatar Cutter. Welcome to another edition of the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansus, and I

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Speaker 1: am joined in a room that's filled with heroes. Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal. What's up boys? Happy Friday?

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Speaker 1: Hey Dan. Just before we started, I said, lindsay, start

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Speaker 1: the music. Play the music, because we've got to get

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Speaker 1: this on Mike. We're talking about various Disney movies. Greg

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Speaker 1: and I had never seen The Lion King, and we're

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Speaker 1: having a conversational about the the millennial cash grab that

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Speaker 1: is the Beauty and the Beast remake and now the

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Speaker 1: upcoming Lion King remake. Um and then Mark mentioned that

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Speaker 1: back in I'm gonna pretty good with the years of movies,

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Speaker 1: I believe nineteen ninety nine Little Mermaid came out and Mark,

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Speaker 1: see The Little Mermaid? Well, yes, it was with a woman. Um,

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Speaker 1: I was I was young, young, younger person. It was

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Speaker 1: an incredible, incredible time. How old were you, INDI? It

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Speaker 1: And it's like a five it's a five to six

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Speaker 1: table here the kissing cousins Chris Westling and Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: and then the left, you know, this side being Dan.

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Speaker 1: This is where that five years is about as big

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Speaker 1: It's that crazy, I mean, but it was. It was

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Speaker 1: distance girlfriend? You were fifteen? I operated in all sorts

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Speaker 1: and so we kept the relationship alive. You know, for

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Speaker 1: first the things started. I won't go too deep into this,

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Speaker 1: her mom and my the moms would drive us. Do

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Speaker 1: you live in Connecticut? It costs that much? Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: crumbled because you know, anything that begins in ninth grade,

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Speaker 1: good luck with that lasting when you're not in the

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Speaker 1: same town. I think we talked about this way back

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Speaker 1: did very well for yourself in your early teenage years,

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Speaker 1: uh idding, relative to to to some guys. Yes, relative

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Speaker 1: to others, I did very little. I think it's like

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Speaker 1: you you're active or you're not. Wasn't exactly like the

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Speaker 1: movie Kids. I'm not saying it was not. No, not

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Speaker 1: at all. That's advanced. That was still throwing rocks at girls.

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Speaker 1: It's another way to go about it. Never let him

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Speaker 1: a poor strategy. So are you like? Um, we got

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Speaker 1: So this is not a story that's fun to talk about,

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Speaker 1: but it's a major situation going on involving the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia, Uh, the head coach who uh parlayed a

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Speaker 1: a head coaching gig with the Lions. UM. It came

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Speaker 1: out late Thursday or Wednesday night. The Detroit News dropped

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Speaker 1: twenty two years or when Patricia was twenty two years old. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The case never actually went to court, but Patricia UH,

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Speaker 1: A story that he feels or that he expresses UH

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Speaker 1: I find it unfair and upsetting that someone would bring

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Speaker 1: this claim up over two decades later for the sole

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Speaker 1: with the intention of trying to damage my character and credibility.

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Speaker 1: I was innocent then, and I am innocent now. Let

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Speaker 1: this statement. It was coordinated. It came out before anyone

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Speaker 1: think it's it's sort of different because they're running the organization.

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Speaker 1: So that's Stephen Jones is like as a fan, he's

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Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, this is great. We're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: run the franchise and actually find a way to put

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Speaker 1: that's problematic. I don't believe for a second Tavon Austin

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Speaker 1: is getting a dozen to two dozen, two dozen touch

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Speaker 1: I don't believe dozen per month if you're a Cowboys fans,

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Speaker 1: how are you projecting to watch games next season for

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Speaker 1: Tavon Austin Because I heard this and I just this

438
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Speaker 1: is how about the Ryan Switzer angle where they trade

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Speaker 1: him to the Raiders and he comes out saying this

440
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Speaker 1: week that they were trying to fit him in as

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Speaker 1: a running back that we thought all along, Oh, they've

442
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Speaker 1: got to applicative slot receiver scenarios. Here he's the air

443
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Speaker 1: apparent and instead they're trying to make him a running back.

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Speaker 1: It's like, now you're doing it with Tamon Austin. We're

445
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: not buying that either. You could start the jury segment

446
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Speaker 1: thing right now. He's the top of the list. Greg,

447
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Speaker 1: you're telling me that the executive vice president of an

448
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Speaker 1: NFL football team runs his team as if he's a fan,

449
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: not an executive. I think a fan. But I think

450
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Speaker 1: they get excited about the good things in the off

451
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Speaker 1: season and the positives. And we've seen that when they

452
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Speaker 1: give Ken Hamlin and Roy Williams and all these guys contracts.

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Speaker 1: Are like they get over little overly excited about the

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Speaker 1: moves they make, like a fan, and then when things

455
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Speaker 1: go wrong, I think they get overly like angry, like

456
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Speaker 1: a fan. I feel like there was a distinctive shift

457
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Speaker 1: from from Jerry Jones to Stephen Jones, and in the

458
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Speaker 1: much more Stephen Jones run era, they're drafting better and

459
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Speaker 1: they're not making those Jerry Jones type head scratching move,

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Speaker 1: you know, giving those contracts out. Why don't we just

461
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Speaker 1: run the Cowboys to Mexico? Just get him out of

462
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Speaker 1: the country. Wait what, you guys are really angry, so

463
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Speaker 1: just get I think there's probably some RESI dual Tavon

464
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Speaker 1: Austin annoyance in this room. In general, it's not just

465
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Speaker 1: I'm just tired of coaches in exacts not even understanding

466
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Speaker 1: the math of their own team. How could you possibly

467
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Speaker 1: project those numbers for Tavon Austin when you're also projecting

468
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Speaker 1: two dozen touches for Zeke every game? Also, who says

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Speaker 1: says a dozen or two dozen? In general? What kind

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Speaker 1: of ways right? That's good? I think one of the

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Speaker 1: if you're a coach of the Dallas Cowboy, especially the

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Speaker 1: head coach, but even Scott line hand, it's part of

473
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Speaker 1: your job is kind of rolling your eyes every once

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Speaker 1: in a while at what the bosses say. Can you

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Speaker 1: imagine do it all the time? Right, Yeah, why are

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Speaker 1: we so angry about this? Can you imagine being a

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Speaker 1: patient and your doctor says, well, you can live for

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Speaker 1: a dozen or two dozen more. You have have a

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Speaker 1: hell of specific stop saying. Doesn't everybody calmed down with

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Speaker 1: Bakers doesn't too. It's an absurd Bakers does. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I go to the you know, I go to the

482
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Speaker 1: bagel store nearby. They give you that free extra bagel

483
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Speaker 1: if you get twelve. The Bakers doesn't. Whe Dan's been

484
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Speaker 1: sharply overruled on Baker's does just keep it in the bakery.

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Speaker 1: It was what I'm saying. Wow, I can't say each year, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have your hot takes about Tavon Austin.

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Speaker 1: I can have a Baker's dozen takes. I believe Steven

488
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Speaker 1: Jones is the one with the hot take on Tavon

489
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Speaker 1: Austin each year. Oh is a legendary Japanese born baseball player,

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Speaker 1: and he is rapping a career that has spanned both

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Speaker 1: in Greg's native Japan through America. Defensive how is that offense?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's well, it's just untrue. It's untrue,

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Speaker 1: wildly untrue. Your wife is from Japan. Yeah, she born

494
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Speaker 1: in Japan. Correct, She's born there, then grew up here

495
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Speaker 1: until she was nine, then moved back there untill high school.

496
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Speaker 1: So a little bit of both. What a road, and

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Speaker 1: I do think you'll end up there as well. Just

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Speaker 1: my sessler on your situation. Someday, someday. Football does not

499
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Speaker 1: translate anyway. Eatro Etro one of the greats both in

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Speaker 1: Japan and America, and he has a feature long feature

501
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: of the Athletic, which is coming strong. They have not

502
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Speaker 1: reached out to us about a poach scenario yet, and

503
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Speaker 1: I would not say they. You know, there may be

504
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Speaker 1: something to poke around it. Just poke around if you want.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying come get us. I will never say

506
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Speaker 1: that NFL dot com pod. I just said the Athletic

507
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Speaker 1: is going all over America throwing a hundred dollar bills

508
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Speaker 1: of people some due diligence. You're asking for very big

509
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Speaker 1: right now. You would be happy to have some hundred

510
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Speaker 1: dollar bills landing you. I'm not even gonna say that

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Speaker 1: you don't have to snatch them up, but if they

512
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Speaker 1: land doing you, I'm just saying, did you read we

513
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Speaker 1: were mentioned in the Sports Business Journal? Did a deep

514
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Speaker 1: dive on the podcast industry. Um, that to me, rang

515
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Speaker 1: is you know where players in the industry. The Athletic

516
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Speaker 1: is doing very well and poaching a lot of journalistic

517
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Speaker 1: talent and covering beats and such, but they're really on

518
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Speaker 1: the podcast side of things. There's a logical connection here

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Speaker 1: that you brought up anyway. Uh. Peter Gavin's the great

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Speaker 1: former Boston Globe writer ESPN baseball guy. He now writes

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Speaker 1: for the Athletic, and he shared a great little nug

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Speaker 1: that he got from my boyhood hero Donnie Baseball on

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Speaker 1: each er O and I'm gonna read it because it's

524
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Speaker 1: just really funny nugget. One morning in spring training, Etro

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Speaker 1: is in the coaches room looking at his cell phone

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Speaker 1: text messages. I Ro told the coaches about one message

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Speaker 1: he had just received from a number he didn't recognize.

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Speaker 1: The guy said he gotten each Erro's number from Alex

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Speaker 1: Rodriguez and that he wanted to come meet him and

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Speaker 1: study his stretching system. What's the guy's name, asked one

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Speaker 1: of the coaches. Iro. Scroll to the end of the text.

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Speaker 1: Some guy named Tom Brady. Who is Tom Brady? I

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Speaker 1: love it? Number one? Do we believe that he really

534
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Speaker 1: doesn't know who Tom Brady is. I've been really enjoying

535
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Speaker 1: this story, but there's a very nagging present in the

536
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Speaker 1: back of my head that says it's all fake because

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00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: of course he knows who? Why? Why? Because he's forty

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Speaker 1: four years old, spends much of his time in America.

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00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: How do you how do you not know who Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady is if you've been in if you're forty four center, No,

541
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Speaker 1: because he probably not. I don't even plug in the

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00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: sports center. He I don't either. The native Japanese speaker

543
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: pretty much has his own, you know corner. He came

544
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Speaker 1: here as a fully formed superstar, bigger I think you

545
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Speaker 1: know in Japan that Tom Brady has ever been. That's

546
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Speaker 1: on an argument for him being no, I'm saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it kind of is, because I think you're

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Speaker 1: why you're insulated and you're in you're part, Like, what

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Speaker 1: is do you think he pays any attention that like

550
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL? I would just say this, like, here's

551
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: the thing. People that pay no attention to football at all.

552
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: But they were forty four years old and even good

553
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: good luck even walking for a week in this country

554
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Speaker 1: going into any sort of establishment in the fall anytime,

555
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: and not seeing tom Brady's in retail center. It's just

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Speaker 1: it just seems it just seems like it's not even

557
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: to me. I I You're I think he's kind of

558
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: on your wavelength where it's like you can be like

559
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: you could you sometimes like there are certain things that

560
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: have happened in American life, and you're like, I've never

561
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: even has his life. He's a crazy level of superstar

562
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: that you know, he doesn't care about football and he

563
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: just probably has nobody close to him has ever brought

564
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: up football to here's one point, like like for instance,

565
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: and this is a bad example on some level, but

566
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: like Kanasa, Corey is as big a star in Japan

567
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: as Tom Brady is here. Now he doesn't people are

568
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: he's a top ten or he was a top ten

569
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Speaker 1: tennis player, you know for much of the last five years.

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00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: He's he's that big level star. Now he works in

571
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Speaker 1: the US and lives in the US for much of

572
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Speaker 1: the year. Most people have no idea who this person is.

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00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: I just he he's let's you know what I'm saying

574
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: on like, let's turn it on it on it's ear

575
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: if you were living in Japan, and we're not a

576
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Speaker 1: tennis fan, you would still here's name and know where

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Speaker 1: he was. And I will say, having being a huge

578
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: baseball fan and following each year's career for many years,

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Speaker 1: that he is extremely popular with teammates, and he speaks

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Speaker 1: English to teammates, and he um is a guy that's

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Speaker 1: well known for his sets of humor and just in general,

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Speaker 1: he's not some hermit in the clubhouse. I would think

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Speaker 1: even though baseball season only slightly overlaps with football season,

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Speaker 1: that he definitely probably knows there are conversations in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. You think, do you think it's like when

586
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: West really does know who Sia is, but just kind

587
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: of like who would see you? I've never heard of?

588
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: How do you spell? By the way, like that's the

589
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Speaker 1: first time. Also acting like because you you spend some

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Speaker 1: of your time in Japan, that it's impossible to know

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Speaker 1: who Tom Brady is because he's all the way over

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Speaker 1: here in America. Tom Brady has Japanese commercial like they're

593
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Speaker 1: your Your NFL and Tom Brady are on television's all

594
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: over the world. It is not exclusive to the fifties

595
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 1: States where we live and Bill Murray over there, they

596
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: see him in the whiskey commercials. He has that good

597
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: loss in translation. Uh, he has a creepy mattress commercial.

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00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: He has uggs. He has a supermodel wife that puts

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00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: them all over the world. He traveled to China to

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Speaker 1: do goodwill, which is not the same as Japan, but hell,

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Speaker 1: it's an Asia. I think it's uh. I think it's

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Speaker 1: fair to say he probably knows who Tom Brady is. Greg.

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Speaker 1: He might. What I'm getting though, is he might just

604
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Speaker 1: speak kind of a strange guy who doesn't know a

605
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: lot of like things that you would like a culture.

606
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: But I still think he knows who Tom Brady is. Yeah.

607
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Speaker 1: I don't get down with the I can't get behind

608
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Speaker 1: the level of unawareness that this guy would have to

609
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Speaker 1: have to not know who Tom. He's also funny. I

610
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Speaker 1: feel like it could have been just a throwaway joke

611
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: line that he said and then some reporter wrote it

612
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Speaker 1: down as if it was actually true. Well, we'll never know.

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Speaker 1: That's what you got. Connections, Yeah, you connects. It is

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Speaker 1: orient It is just about yeah, his favorite player ever,

615
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, So what is it just about her favorite

616
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Speaker 1: player ever? Okay, he is I've seen I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: photos and I don't. I don't know if I totally agree,

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Speaker 1: but well, let's let's racist, that's what that is. Not.

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Speaker 1: I just don't find him super hot. I find him

620
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Speaker 1: to be handsome. I don't find him a new segment.

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Speaker 1: The jury is still out on Ellipses and it's like

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Speaker 1: a zombie court. All right, So this what is the

623
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Speaker 1: seg about? This seg is about uh taking. It could

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Speaker 1: be anything. It could be a player, it could be

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Speaker 1: a coach, it could be uh something up in the booth,

626
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: it could be anything in the football world that you

627
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: know you're just not sure about. The jury's out. That's

628
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: what the jury's out means. It's just like there's no verdict. Greg.

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Speaker 1: So Mark, let's go. I am annoyed already by the narrative.

630
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Speaker 1: And I'm starting to see articles Cleveland Brown's sneaky wild

631
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Speaker 1: card team, and it's just like, you have to slow

632
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,239
Speaker 1: down with this. It was the cp on ESPN dot

633
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Speaker 1: com story. You have to slow down with this from

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Speaker 1: a dinner from our dinner guest Mike Clay from the NFL. Well,

635
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Speaker 1: here's the thing is, if you read what he wrote.

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Speaker 1: I read the article, and if everybody wrote it's like

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Speaker 1: it all of it makes sense. It's the headline they

638
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: put on it that he probably had nothing to do with,

639
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: but then it gets sent around and all this stuff happens.

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Speaker 1: But there is this sense I'm saying his article was

641
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Speaker 1: molded like Clay he. I would imagine he might have

642
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: been slightly annoyed with the headline too. That would be

643
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: my guests. But there is something going on with the

644
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: Browns thing where we're acting like that We did this

645
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: last year too to some degree where oh, they're this

646
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: sneaky team that they're gonna jump up and win seven

647
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: or eight games out of nowhere, and I what what

648
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: the jury is out on for me or a couple

649
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: of elements. There are a lot of things the jury

650
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: are out on with the Cleveland Browns in general. But

651
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: number one, you have a guy in Joe Thomas that

652
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: spent his entire career and retired months before the team

653
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: put together what is arguably their best roster, and that

654
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: left tackle spot I think is is to me sticks

655
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: out as one major issue. You've got potentially Sean Coleman

656
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: in there at left tackle, who was a disaster last season.

657
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: You have drafted Austin Corbett, who who who is a

658
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: potentially good lineman, but he fits much more as a

659
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: guard people feel like then a left tackle. And so

660
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: you suddenly have this idea that you're gonna go with

661
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: with Tyrod Taylor, who is not a guy that gets

662
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: through seasons easily sixteen games that are interruption with a

663
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: major issue on your offensive line. And if that, if

664
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: he goes down, you have to try to grow your

665
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback in an offensive line with the same weakness.

666
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: Beyond that, I don't I look at a coaching staff

667
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: that is so super high on the radar right now

668
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: because they should have gotten more than four or five

669
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: wins out of that team last year, and they haven't

670
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: shown no ability to maximize talent. And I wonder if

671
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: we're looking at a team that is really actually entering

672
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: into a season of ultra chaos organizationally, because you have

673
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: a strong minded GM was going to bring in his

674
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: own guy, and the firings could start happening in mid

675
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: season if they don't get off to a fast start

676
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: snuffing out all this nonsense. You gotta crawl before you

677
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: can walk, you gotta walk before you can run, And

678
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: this happens a lot. The people jump to conclusions about

679
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: the Browns, like you're saying, so, just let the Browns

680
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: get respectable. We don't need to put those expectations on

681
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: the team just hanging games, win five or six and

682
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: it's a huge game. This idea that's like, oh they

683
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: could be a while, Well you're talking nine ten wins

684
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: and that there's no need to go down that road.

685
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's unnecessary. I think coaching matters. Todd

686
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: Haley is a one of the reasons why I have

687
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: more faith in them that that that Hugh is letting

688
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: Todd Haley do the offense. I was never I always

689
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: thought they were one of the worst team in the

690
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: league going into last year. The optimism didn't make a

691
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: lot of sense. And I think they they there's enough

692
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: to believe in, especially with Haley, that they'll just be solid.

693
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: You're right, not a wild card, but just five six whatever. Wes.

694
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: The jury is still out on Ellipses. This is a

695
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: guy who Greg Rosenthal wrote a banger on, and if

696
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: you haven't read it yet, check it out. Greg's article

697
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: on Patrick mahomes. So many people just because of his

698
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: physical gifts and what he showed in that season finale

699
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: in a throwaway game, have him like the Chiefs are

700
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna be even better than they were last year when

701
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: Alex Smith was an m v P canad Well, the

702
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: jerry still out on Patrick Mahomes. I remember a few

703
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: years ago, I mean, one game is nothing. I remember

704
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: after three or four games when Brett Farvet said that

705
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: Austin Davis was the next Kurt Warner. Where's Austin Davis? Now?

706
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean, one game is just nothing, especially at the

707
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: end of the season. We have no idea who Patrick

708
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: Mahomes is or what he's gonna be. Also check out

709
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: Jenny Brentiss article in the MMQB where Patrick Mahomes goes

710
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: into detail about how reliant he was on Alex Smith

711
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: for pre and post snap reeds in that season finale.

712
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons I'm excited and people

713
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: are excited is the preseason and then more you know

714
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: for other people is that he was someone that people

715
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: if you loved him in college, you really loved him.

716
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: And I think so that's what's informing them. Seeing what

717
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: he did in college, people believe in their evaluations. Now

718
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: they've gotten like this one start, which helped to confirm

719
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: what they thought. You know, the Chiefs were among the team.

720
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean the Chiefs gave up more to draft Patrick Mahomes.

721
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: You know. Then then the Jets I think gave up

722
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: to draft Sam. Don't know they they believed in him.

723
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: He also went like what twelve to three, but he

724
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: went twelve. He was maybe gonna go thirteen. People people

725
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: were into him as this you know, raw prospect, and

726
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: that's I think what part of it is if you

727
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: just see the gifts. Yeah, I agree with the argument

728
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: I'd have for him is he made me excited watching

729
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: him last preseason, and I'm not putting all in one

730
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: game against a broken Denver Broncos team late in the

731
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: years an exciting player. And also, I trust when Andy

732
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: Reid makes a series of moves this offseason where you're

733
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: willing to part with an m VP candidate from last

734
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: season and Alex Smith, and you just hear what they've

735
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: said verbally from the GM to the coach about Mahomes,

736
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: that's the hope. I don't think you hear them gush

737
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: over quarterbacks that way very often. So that's the hope.

738
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: But you're right though, in terms of processing, in terms

739
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: of growing as a quarterback. Even the best guys have

740
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: to go to take a ton of lumps and you

741
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't suddenly make it seem more. Oh now,

742
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: if Mahomes isn't an All Star two months in the

743
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: same way to Shaun Watson was last year, that you know,

744
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: the whole thing is what it is, it's gonna take

745
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: time to show, to reveal itself exactly. And to be clear,

746
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: the jury is not out on how exciting he's going

747
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: to be. I firmly believe he's gonna be one of

748
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: the most exciting quarterbacks to watch. I just the jury

749
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: is out on whether they're a better team with him,

750
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: no doubt. Right. I wrote a mail bag today and

751
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: one of the questions was what is the team most

752
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: likely to go first to last? And I don't think

753
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are a team that's in danger of anything

754
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: like that. But if you have to make the ranking

755
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: when you factor in that their defense is suspect that

756
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: the division could be better, and then you are turning

757
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: the keys over to a guy that has no experience.

758
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: It will be interesting to see what happens with the

759
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: Chiefs this year. We I think we talked about this

760
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: last week that they have a really high ceiling and

761
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: maybe a bit of a floor that's lower than people think.

762
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: I'll go next, Here we go, the jury is still out.

763
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: You know, great, you know I'm gonna go down this

764
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: the Patriots offense. No, well, welcome to me, baby. Uh.

765
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: Here we go. The Patriots offense is coming off a

766
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: super Bowl where they shredded the Eagles defense. But yeah,

767
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: no Dion, no Danny, no Nate Solder. They just released

768
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: Antonio Garcia, who is a draft pick that had health problems,

769
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen third round pick that was a potential

770
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: uh fill in for Solder. Uh. And then you know

771
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: we talked that this no idea if Julian Edelman will

772
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: be Julian Edelman anymore. He's postage thirty coming off in

773
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: a c L. Now you get excited about Sony Michelle

774
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: and you say that guy could be the X factor,

775
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: But Jerry's out. That's all. Jerry's not in. Do you

776
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: think the jury is in? You think they came back

777
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: with a vert verdict, but they didn't. You got an

778
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: old man quarterback in an offense that's been weakened. Can

779
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: I ask you one question? Yeah? I mean not that

780
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: we should just assume the Patriots are going to always

781
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: continue to roll the way they do. And I think

782
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: this is a bit of a different offseason for them.

783
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: But have they not built up enough cashide store trust

784
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: that they go the return of verdict that they're good. Yeah,

785
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: it's a surprise that the jury's not back. I agree.

786
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: I I'm surprised the jury is stuck on this one

787
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: just a little bit. Is there like one person in

788
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: the jury room holding the rest of the jury hostage?

789
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe there's somebody that doesn't really wanna just

790
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: look back in the past. Some some people look and

791
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: say they're no reverse. To me, it's it's levels of

792
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: like how great are they because they have been at

793
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: a different level the last couple of years even than

794
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: they Maybe we're at some different points during the last decade.

795
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: So even if they fall, their defense has enough questions

796
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: that their offense has to be near the very top.

797
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: They can't get back up to like the eighth best offense.

798
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: So on that level, there are changes. I give them

799
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: some faith because look, they drafted Matt Light to be

800
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: their left tackle. He was their left tackle. They drafted

801
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: Nates Solder to be their left tackle. He was their

802
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: left tackle. They drafted Isaiah win to be their left tackle,

803
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: and now he's he's the guy they're putting in. He's

804
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: a first round pick that a lot of people really like.

805
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: So I'm going to see how that goes. That that

806
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: is less of a one thing for Dan. They have

807
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of a trojan horse scenario. They still

808
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: have Kenny Britt on that roster, and he is a

809
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: He is someone that bleeds the organization from the inside out.

810
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: And I think we're all overlooking that locker room. You

811
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: might you might not make the team, might not make

812
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: that if he does. You know what we're overlook bad

813
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: door set. What we're overlooking is the next banger from

814
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler's top ten Trojan Horses in the end, like

815
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: that one, I think it's time. I don't know if

816
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: I had the energy to write that right now. All right,

817
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: you're up. I'm gonna go with two guys that that

818
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: Chris absolutely hates being grouped together because but let's just

819
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: face it, they were drafted one pick apart. Jerry's out

820
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: on Marcus Mariota and Jamis Winston. Not that not whether

821
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: they can be a starting quarterback in the NFL. But

822
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: how high, how great can they be and how soon?

823
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: Now they're only twenty four years old. They're one year

824
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: older than Baker Mayfield right now, and and so I

825
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: don't think necessarily they've been disappointing in their careers, but

826
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: it is disappointed. Mariota had an entire season where he

827
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: threw more interceptions than than touchdowns. There's a lot of

828
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: factors into that, but that's disappointing. But Jamis Winston has

829
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: not gotten over trying to give the ball away, uh,

830
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: every third possession. Really, that's just kind of been in

831
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: his DNA. And he's done a lot of good things too.

832
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: So they're starting quarterbacks and they're good their franchise quarterback.

833
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: That's fine, But I think the jury is out on

834
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: how good they can be and and especially how good

835
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: they can be this early on their on their rookie country.

836
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: Is it out enough where if neither of these quarterbacks

837
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: improved over the next two seasons that both teams look

838
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: for a different quarterback down the right now? I don't

839
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: think so. I think Greg's right that like the jury

840
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: is in that their franchise quarterbacks and their teams will

841
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: sign them two extensions. But the jury is out as

842
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: far as can they lift their team, and Mariota did

843
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: in the playoffs a little, but they little. They both

844
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: had moments uh and and Mariota certainly did at the

845
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: end of last season, and he did in like a

846
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: six game stretch the year before when they were one

847
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: of the best offenses in the league right and went

848
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: like Winston's numbers last year were misleading, but they were

849
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: pretty great. That team had a stink on it all year.

850
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: But it's not people stopped paying attention to him by

851
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: the end of the season when they were moving the ball. Yeah,

852
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: it is. If you line up the thirty two quarterbacks

853
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: last year, that no one's arguing that they were in

854
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: the top twelve or so, and so that's now they're

855
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: getting the point of their rookie conduct. Fourth year. I

856
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: think the jury's out, you know, whether whether they're going

857
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: to do that, I agree Mark, alright, the jury is out.

858
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: I understand number one. When Aaron Rodgers with him back

859
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: at the Helm, it's you want to just ticket the

860
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: Packers for eleven and five, twelve and four, and wouldn't

861
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: be shocking to see what happened because I think he's

862
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy that literally the team could

863
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: roll that way with him. But the jury is out

864
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: for me on the rest of the Green Bay roster

865
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: surrounding him. Despite you know, their draft, they added a

866
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: couple of cornerbacks. Like it's not that it's it's it's

867
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: a disastrous roster. But I think the way that they

868
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: crumbled in the absence of Aaron Rodgers last season put

869
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: them on my radar big time that this is not

870
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: a super Bowl roster. I'm not even sure. I mean,

871
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: there's certainly not a better overall roster than the Vikings,

872
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: and so you need you need how Aaron Rodgers come

873
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: in and create that difference, and we know we can

874
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: do it. But I'm done just ticketing them for the

875
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: NFC Championship year after year. I don't love the roster

876
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 1: on the whole. I like the roster, and a good

877
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: reason why is because Aaron Rodgers is just that great.

878
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: And I thought watching them early last year they were

879
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: my Super Bowl pick because with Aaron Rodgers there, they

880
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: had a lot going right for them, and they pull

881
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: out a lot of games just because Aaron Rodgers is

882
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: so good. I would not be surprised at all if

883
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: they finished the head of the Vikings. I guess my

884
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: point though, is without Roger. With Rogers, yes they can

885
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: do all these things, but but I don't love the

886
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: way they're constructing a great quarterback. Oh they're done if

887
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: he gets hurt. But you can say for basically every

888
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: team of the league, I don't feel that way about like,

889
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: for instance, the Vikings lost multiple quarterbacks last year. In

890
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: the strength of that overall roster look at it's fair

891
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: to say the jury is out on you know, the

892
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: receiver depth. You know who's gonna step up. Is Jimmy

893
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: Graham going to be a good signing? Are Are they

894
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: good enough at running back? Like some of the defensive

895
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: sign How much better is Petton going to make them?

896
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: I think have a lot of potential, and I think

897
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna, you know, kind of like them in

898
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: the in the picking you know them to go far

899
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: in the presenm But I think it's fair to say

900
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of change and there's a lot

901
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: of question marks with I like them every year too

902
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: because of Aaron Rodgers. He's one of my favorite players ever.

903
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: But Mark, You're right in the sense that you we

904
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: should question them. It's been a long time, and I

905
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: think we kind of forget this. It's been a long

906
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: time now in Super Bowl forty five, and this is

907
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: one of the top arguably five greatest quarterbacks ever. He's

908
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: gonna turn thirty five in December. And one of the

909
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: greatest sins the Packers could ever commit is if they

910
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: waste the rest of this guy's prime and never get

911
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl because it's not Aaron Rodgers. I

912
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: know he's had some injury issues over the years now,

913
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: but mostly it's been the team building has not been

914
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: up to snuff, and you could argue the coaching as well.

915
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: Uh and and it's time. I feel like this is

916
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: an important year for the Packers. I agree. And they've

917
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: had some tough losses. I mean, they've been in the

918
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: final eight teams five times since that Super Bowl, so

919
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: they've they've put themselves in that position, and yet they

920
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: it's like they alternate seasons between Rogers getting hurt and

921
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: having a crushing playoff loss. They go fifteen and one

922
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: in that one season and then they suddenly they're wiped

923
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: away by the Giants in the playoff. Means like, you've

924
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: got to find a way to be one of these

925
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: teams that gets plays your best in January and enough

926
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: with the hiccup. The only two seasons I believe that

927
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: they have not at least made the divisional round is

928
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: when Rogers got hurt. There was the year they lost

929
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: in the wild card as an eight and seven team,

930
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: and other than that, they're in that divisional round and

931
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: they haven't because of their defense and because of other

932
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: things they haven't been able to finish. What well, one

933
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: last thing on this A couple of things did get

934
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: exposed last year when Rogers went down. Brett Hunley not

935
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: a good quarterback even though Mike McCarthy had raving about

936
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: him for a couple of years, and they lacked depth

937
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: all over in the secondary. That was my issue watching

938
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: them pass where they were last year, Like if if

939
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: Nick Perry goes down or Clay Matthews says a bad

940
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, there's no pass rushing whatsoever. So I

941
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: think depth was an issue last year. I think they're

942
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: lead with Mike pett Oh. Yeah, the jury is still

943
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: out on the Houston Texans offense decision. Sorry, I know.

944
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson led them to the highest point in the

945
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: league for a five week span five weeks spans happened

946
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: all the time. We just talked about Mariota in two

947
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen with the Titans five or six weeks span.

948
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: They have possibly the worst offensive line in the NFL. Uh,

949
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: they are overhauling their entire offense. Bill O'Brien says, So

950
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: even what they ran last year that surprise teams, they

951
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: know they're not gonna surprise teams again this year. Um.

952
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: I like, I like their receivers, I like Deshaun Watson.

953
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't trust their offensive line or their running game.

954
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: M I mean it reminds me a little bit of

955
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: the Green bas situation that the minute they went to

956
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: Tom Savage. I mean, they went from being this you

957
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: could not you couldn't take your eyes off them. They

958
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: were electrifying, and he created and he erased the problems

959
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: of the offensive line because of his skill set. The

960
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: minute you put in Tom Savage, they became a bottom

961
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: seven attack. And that the difference, Like the Packers have

962
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: a great offensive line and the Texans do not. And

963
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: they didn't really address their tackle position too much this offseason.

964
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: I think they have a third round pick, but you

965
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: look at their tackles, it's among the worst. They signed

966
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: Zack Fulton, I think at guard who was a Chief Sky.

967
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: But they signed a Chiefs guy to a huge contract

968
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: last year, Jeff Allen, and he was a disaster. Like

969
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: they're they're lying on paper in their running game, and

970
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: really their depth behind Hopkins is not great. They're asking

971
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: Hopkins and Watson to do too much. Like I I

972
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm with you West that I think. I think even

973
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: if Watson plays great, he's he's an uphill battle. When

974
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: Will Fuller and Bruce Ellington were healthy along with Hopkins,

975
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: they were an incredible wide receiver corps. They were Bruce Ellington,

976
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: Bruce Ellington was great for a while in the slot,

977
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: and then he got hurt again because he always gets hurt,

978
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: and Will Fuller, as far as I've seen, always gets

979
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 1: hurt too. So we'll see. But when those guys are healthy,

980
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: they're dyning, they're dynamic. Go to West, I like that one.

981
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: They even remember even during Deshaun Watson's great run before

982
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: the a c L went out of nowhere, there was

983
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: one garbage time game where they got killed and then

984
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: he filed up a ton of stats. Uh yeah, we

985
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't assume that he a Watson is going to be

986
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: a stud and be it's also any good. It's also

987
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: coming off a major reconstructive surgery and probably will not

988
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: be as mobile as he will. That's true. I'm gonna

989
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: say the jury is still out. It's always been out.

990
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: I just want to offer it's kind of like a

991
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: p s A on on jerseys. The jury has been

992
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: out on jerseys, packs, all journeys, the jerseys across the

993
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: entire league, jerseys. If you're a fan football fan coming

994
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: out of this draft and it's more draft related, if

995
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: you're coming out of this draft, and I don't want

996
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: this to devolve into what happens on this podcast sometimes

997
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: where we start just killing people for wearing jerseys. Yeah,

998
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: the verdicts backed. Let's just jersey alright, you guys here

999
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: an adult. You guys are cool. I'm saying there's a huge,

1000
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: huge faction of football fans that like wearing jerseys and

1001
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: wrapping their team's colors. I'm not talking about that. I'm

1002
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: talking about the idea prematurely buying in on a player.

1003
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: Uh and you get killed because I know, you know

1004
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: Vinny a New Brunswick, He's gonna want to get his

1005
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: uh se Kwon Barkley jersey. But you know you got

1006
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: the Bills mafia. You know this guy wants to sue

1007
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: plex his friend through a fire table while while wearing

1008
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: a Josh Allen jersey this fall. And I understand the

1009
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: rush to be that to go that route, but you

1010
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: don't want to end up the guy that has the

1011
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel number three jersey in his closet or the

1012
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: Jamacus Russell number one jersey in Oakland and his closet.

1013
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: I want to pound the table again, implore people the

1014
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: Jerry's back. Wait a hear, wait a hear. These jerseys

1015
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: are not cheap. I think that makes even the ones

1016
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: that aren't the official ones, they're over fifty dollars, I

1017
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: believe if you check the NFL and if you're one

1018
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: of those guys. And again this is a subculture of fandom,

1019
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: So no judgment everybody. Even though I'm not in this group.

1020
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: Some people like to buy the official jerseys, and now

1021
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: we're talking hundreds of dollars in terms of an ament.

1022
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: Uh So I'm just saying, be careful. You don't want

1023
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: you don't want to end up with a Paxton Lynch

1024
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 1: number twelve jersey in your closet three years after the draft.

1025
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: Let especially the quarterbacks wait a year see how they developed.

1026
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: I think you it's perfect to come out of the

1027
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: gate and call that a p s A. Because you're

1028
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: looking out for people's wallets. Absolutely, you're on their side.

1029
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: You're not a I know that you you're saving up

1030
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: money to buy your NFL merch. I just don't want

1031
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: you to make a mistake that's both embarrassed. So there

1032
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: will be no I mean, let's say when we come

1033
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: over to have you know, at your house at Thanksgiving,

1034
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: have a nice drink with the hands his family and

1035
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: the Jets are like ten and three, there will no

1036
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: there was no chill my friends. There will be no

1037
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: Sam Donald paraphernalia around the house. You're gonna You're gonna

1038
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: distinctively wait until about this time next year to purchase

1039
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: those products. I've already thought about that, getting Jack and

1040
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: Harry matching Donald gear. But I'm gonna hold off for

1041
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: this very reason, Like this very reason. They're gonna be

1042
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: Rams fans, So that's part of it. No, hey, I'll

1043
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: be at extremely on the first plane out of here.

1044
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: Question for a room, what is the last jersey if

1045
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: you ever bought one that you bought. I got one

1046
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: as a gift that Troy Brown. One Troy Brown, that

1047
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: would be good for you. I got a sign from

1048
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: some close friends assigned Webster Slaughter jersey at my wedding um,

1049
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: which is is it's it's an official one. It looks great,

1050
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. The last one I bought was probably Bernie

1051
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: Kozar back in like I had. The first one I

1052
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: ever got was Boomers Yasin number seven. Uh. Then I

1053
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: got a key Shaan uh Wayne Kurbet. And then the

1054
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: last one I actually got was probably when I was

1055
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: in my early twenties, I got a Pennington and then

1056
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: I got that made sense. I think gooding Pennington. Yeah,

1057
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: that was good. How many people went down the Brett

1058
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: Farve jets Road a lot? Right? In fact, if you

1059
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: go to Jetsons or you look at the tailgates, you

1060
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: see him, and that's increasingly a fever dream that had

1061
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: ever happened, and that those are people that dropped hundreds

1062
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: of dollars. This is showing my age and what the

1063
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: difference between this player in college and in the pros.

1064
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: The last jersey I the only jersey I ever bought

1065
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: was a Ronald Curry North Carolina Jersey when he was

1066
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: the quarterback for North Carolina, and then he would ended

1067
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: up being a like twice Torn Achilles Raiders receiver that

1068
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: he was he was a quarterback for North Carolina. That's

1069
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: a fun, like different conversation because I almost impossibly he

1070
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: was a great basketball player too. He was just like

1071
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham, almost impossibly. I had the home and away

1072
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: jerseys of Phoenix Son's small forward Dan Marley thunder Thunder.

1073
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: I have no idea what I was not a Son's fan,

1074
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: but everyone had jerseys and I wanted to get something different,

1075
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: and thunder Dan was this uh sharpshooter for a popular

1076
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: Sun's team, and I said, well. He also was was

1077
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: annually viewed as one of the best defensive wings in

1078
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: the NBA until Michael Jordan absolutely destroyed his career and

1079
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: defensive reputation in the had a weird long vein that

1080
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: went down one of his arms, so he was caught up.

1081
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: I was overrated Ron Curry on Rodeal World, just thinking

1082
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: he was going to be a star little career. He's

1083
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: like a poor man's Allen Iverson. Let's save it for

1084
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: the Ron Curry podcast that Yeah, that's it. I'm glad

1085
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: we finally got to it. Um, you know, we only

1086
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: have so much time, just no Cowboys and Chargers coaching

1087
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: staff that I'm watching you, you know. But I'm gonna

1088
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a different jury out. Jury is out

1089
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: on the Norv Turner, Cam Newton Panthers offense experience. I'm excited.

1090
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a Cam fan. I I don't think he's

1091
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: fully hit his peak yet. He did for one season,

1092
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: but in terms of the stabilizing and having a good

1093
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: rest of the career, I think north it was a

1094
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: good higher But I want to see how this all works.

1095
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: It's kind of a strange mix. Dj Moore, Devin Funchis

1096
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: McCaffrey's the running back, NORV Turner the line Cam. I

1097
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: have high hopes for Cam. I like Samuel's injury was

1098
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: more it was more serious than they led on, and

1099
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: he might not even ready for jury. The jury's out.

1100
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: This is a kind of an exciting interesting I think.

1101
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: I think to watch this season that hasn't gotten a

1102
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: ton of pop up, I definitely want and by the way,

1103
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: like just be just to save anyone listening the time

1104
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: of tweeting something that we will not respond to. Jury out.

1105
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: Jury's out does not mean we're automatically critiquing scenario. I

1106
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: think I picked two things I really like. Just jury's

1107
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: out means they're deliberating. Yeah, okay, there's mark you know

1108
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: better than anyone. Although you never went to the jury

1109
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: decision uh section of your case? Correct? How do you mean?

1110
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: What is? What do you oh? You went to deliberations

1111
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: guilty or not? Said the other day that the case

1112
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: ended abruptly without any type of know they we thought

1113
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: they were gonna be multiple more witnesses, and then they

1114
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: then they said they both rested, and then you go

1115
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: in and we we spend two and a half hours deliberating.

1116
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: But there were like five counts and they were not

1117
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: all guilty. They were not all not guilty, but there

1118
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: was a mix and you come away feeling. I did

1119
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: not like the feeling I had coming out of it. No,

1120
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: it's just that you you're affecting someone's life, multiple people's life,

1121
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: so big, big responsibility. Well you should try it sometime, Dan,

1122
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: You might be good, or you could get on a

1123
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: dog biting trial like I did, and you know, it

1124
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: just feels like a waste of time. It was a

1125
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: dog biting counter suit. That is a waste of time. Yeah,

1126
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: it was and money. And the jury is out literally

1127
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: by the way, that is that is something. Are you

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00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: saying the jury is in? I know how I'm voting

1129
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: on that. I I am voting guilty on your part.

1130
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: You are I send you back to the chambers to

1131
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: further deliberate yourself. Alright, was waiting for the jury? I

1132
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: thought the jury was out at something Mark you said

1133
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: was coming. I think the jury it would be fair

1134
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: to say that. I mean a lot this podcast is

1135
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: by nature somewhat weird, and a lot of um strange

1136
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: intriguing moments happen on this show. And I thot Greg's

1137
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: announcement on the last show, where he was essentially I

1138
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: would say, commanded by his lovely wife to come on

1139
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: the show to tell listen, oh well just today to

1140
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: publicly start telling people, excuse me, I wear the pants

1141
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: in our relationship. I think I think that one thing

1142
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: with every time you talked to Greg about his home situation,

1143
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: he's positive and things are very good, and I think

1144
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: the jury is not out on that. But the jury

1145
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: is a little bit out on the concept again not

1146
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: going negative here, Greg. They're deliberating on the concept of

1147
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: Greg officially wearing the pants. Now, that's fair because I

1148
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: we gotta I gotta text immediately after from my you know,

1149
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: my best friend Dave Bennett, who who introduced me now

1150
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: because he knows us to better better as a group

1151
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: than anyone, and he said, like, you guys are my

1152
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: best friends in the world. And I don't even know

1153
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: who wears the he is just out. That may take

1154
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: more than a couple of hours for you know, the deliberations.

1155
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: That sneaky, one of the more fascinating moments in the

1156
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: show's history. I'm still trying to situation together. Uh so

1157
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: that's definitely in deliberations. Still, it feels like the idea

1158
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: would be that neither wears the pants. I think you

1159
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: respect each other so much that sometimes that's a different

1160
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: conversation as well. But it's more the command to tell

1161
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: people hear you well. And also I think some women

1162
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: want the men the man to wear the pants. Some

1163
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: do not, some men do. We they're not the same

1164
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: trying to get out of that situation without any critique

1165
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: where well, no, I think some people don't want this

1166
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: thing split fifty, Am I wrong. It's like, Oh, we're

1167
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: gonna have a long conversation about everything. It's like, tell

1168
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: me where we're going to dinner. I go in my

1169
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: in my relationship. My wife does want me to take

1170
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: the reins. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Well, of course, yeah,

1171
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: not of course, but that's different. I think she's saying,

1172
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: like when push comes to shove on major things, who's

1173
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: wearing the speaking of wh that's where she was coming.

1174
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers out nice, safe,

1175
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: because we literally would not be here that the two

1176
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: debs and the kissing cousins. Mother's names Kate, Barbara, Kayton, Babs, happy, mother,

1177
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: happy and to our own. There are three wives in

1178
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: here that are mothers as well, and to all mothers,

1179
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: and and Lindsay's mother as well, the paramore who's who's

1180
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: not a mother but her mother because she's sitting in

1181
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: the back, I know. See. So I've met the paramour's

1182
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: mom and she did a great job helping to mother

1183
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: Chris Westling through Uh. Actually she and I had to

1184
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: cut on my finger that she said, get back into

1185
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: the hospital and have them restitch that. And honestly had

1186
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: I not I probably would have lost the fingers. So

1187
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: Lakisha's mom is an important figure. If you notice, West

1188
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: has gotten quiet because they're talking about mothers and Lakisha's

1189
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: in the room and there's a lot of you know,

1190
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff to unpack

1191
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: there as well. I didn't even know she was here.

1192
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: There's look at her. Oh we have a little some

1193
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: kind of cutout figure that my nephew sent that we're

1194
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: supposed to pose with. Okay, we're gonna do a flat

1195
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: Stanley after the show. This is exciting, all right, there,

1196
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: you guy. We were still on on We'll be back

1197
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: on Monday with another episode. Another three episodes. You're kidding me?

1198
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: Stand hands is signing off four Quiet Storm, The Mailman,

1199
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: the Old Boss, Lindsey Fulton, and the Paramore behind the

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01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: Glass Still Day. Yeah,