1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Also media, Oh what's. 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: Getting indicted by the FBI? My several people I don't 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: like it could happen here a podcast about things falling apart, 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: and today this week, well, for the last couple of weeks, 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: the thing that's fallen apart is Tenet Media. This is 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: not related to Christopher Nolan, that we can prove at 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: this exact moment. It is instead a media adventure starring 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: a bunch of assholes that turned out to all be 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: an op by the Russian government, and none of said 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: assholes claim they knew anything, even though they got paid 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars a video. Anyway, We're going to 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: talk about all that and more today, but I'm going 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: to bring onto the program now my co hosts, Garrison 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: Davis and James Stout. 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 3: Thank you. 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 4: I'm not getting one hundred k per episode here, but 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 4: if I was, I certainly wouldn't tell the government now 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 4: that it was actually a foreign government, saying me. 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 3: I would keep tweeting about it. 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: Fun fact about both of you guys before we get 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: into this, if you reverse your last names, you sound 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 2: like Confederate era generals. 23 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 3: Garrison Stout, James Davis like names. Davis Garrison Stout. 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, all right, yeah, yeah, that's so that 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 5: is our secret backstory. We had to actually switch them 26 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 5: when we join cool Zone Media due to a Confederate ties. 27 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the fact that you're one hundred and ninety 28 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: years old. So Garrison, you want to take us off here. 29 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 3: Yeah. 30 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 4: So Tene Media was this kind of small right wings 31 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 4: startup that hired a whole bunch of more well known 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: content creators on the right wing sphere, from like Timpoole, 33 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 4: Dave Rubin, Bennie Johnson, Lauren Southern. Yeah, people who are 34 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 4: either just like conservative commentators or you know, in someone 35 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 4: like Lauren Southern's case has been like an alt right 36 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 4: kind of white supremacist media figure for quite a while. 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 4: And they put together this little collection of people to 38 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 4: make like content for tenants on YouTube channel as well 39 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 4: as licensing some of their regular tent And this company 40 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 4: was ostensibly started by another right wing YouTuber named Lauren 41 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 4: Chen and her husband Liam Donovan. Chen's been like on 42 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 4: Fox News News Max, Daily Wire and was employed at 43 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: The Blaze, where she's no longer employed based on the 44 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: allocations inside this DOJ indictment. So yeah, it was a 45 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 4: small collection not super kind of noteworthy. Honestly, in a 46 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 4: lot of cases, lots of people weren't super familiar with 47 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 4: Tenet media. I know they also hired like Taylor Hanson, 48 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 4: who was kind of one of the first guys to 49 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 4: report on grooming LGBTQ stuff like a few years ago. 50 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: That's kind of what was immediately weird about them to 51 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 2: everyone who pays attention to this stuff is that their 52 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: videos did not get a crazy amount of engagement. They 53 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: were clearly not an established like they came out of nowhere, 54 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: but they had the money, the money to pay for 55 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: people who weren't cheap. Timpool, if you don't know, Tim 56 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: is one of the most profitable influencers on the right 57 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: wing chunks of the Internet. He's a guy who kind 58 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: of got his start as a citizen journalist during occupy. 59 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: Really, he's one of these guys. 60 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: All he does is he gets on he reads news articles, 61 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: he reads the headlines of news articles, he talks about 62 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: how we're all doomed to left wing terrorism or whatever, 63 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 2: and then he makes millions of dollars. He's a frustrating 64 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: individual to say the least, but he doesn't come cheap. 65 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: And Hansen also doesn't come cheap. Dave Rubin is not 66 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: an inexpensive person to bring onto your team. So it 67 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: was kind of clear from the beginning there's a lot 68 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: of money behind this thing that seems to have come 69 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: out of nowhere. 70 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: Whose money is it? 71 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 4: And that is what the federal government's been trying to 72 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 4: figure out. And we have now a better indication on 73 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 4: where all of these kind of right wing content firms, 74 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 4: or at least this one who is employing some very 75 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: unfortant people, where they are getting some of their money from. 76 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 4: Because there's a lot of money flying around this space. 77 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 4: Lots of these guys are obviously filled by like fossil 78 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 4: fuel billionaires. 79 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 3: Right. 80 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 4: You can look at like the early funding for the 81 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: Daily Wired that has a lot of money, but for this, 82 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 4: for this smaller, kind of lesser known company, how are 83 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 4: they paying one hundred thousand dollars per episode to these guys? 84 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: And it's also the Daily Wire definitely started inorganically by 85 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: getting a lot of fossil fuel money pumped into it. 86 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: But one thing you have to hand it to them 87 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: is they built a business that is a functional business, right, 88 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: they are now profitable in their own regard or at 89 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: least were there's some evidence their traffic collapsed recently, but 90 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: you saw you saw them have a growth curve that 91 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 2: looked pretty organic for a media organization, which you didn't 92 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: see with Tenant. 93 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 6: No, no. 94 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 4: And it seems the only way to actually pay these 95 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 4: millions and millions of dollars to all these people is 96 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 4: if you are actually the government of Russia who is 97 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 4: starting covert operations that's their words, not mine, to influence 98 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 4: the US election by like both talking about like Ukraine, 99 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 4: using these mouthpieces, but also just kind of so general division, 100 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 4: which seems to be kind of the main tactic. And 101 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 4: Robert elected to actually go through some of this GEZ 102 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 4: twenty three page indictment and kind of hopefully we can 103 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 4: find some of some of the some of the better 104 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 4: funnier little tidbits here, because there's a lot of interesting 105 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 4: information about kind of the inter workings of some of 106 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: these media groups and how exactly Timpoole was convinced by 107 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 4: a Russian agent. 108 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, a Russian agent pretending to be three different people. 109 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 4: Pretending to be some mysterious European billionaire. 110 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 111 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: So the document starts with some stuff that I had 112 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: been unaware, which is that you know, because Russia Today 113 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: is kind of the first large Russian government affiliated media 114 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: organization that has been like putting up propaganda in the 115 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: United States, and the FBI has been watching them like 116 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: a hawk. And so they quote hear from the editor 117 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: in chief of RT after the expanded Russian invasion in 118 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: February twenty twenty two when he describes Russia Today, which 119 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: has always argued that it's a legitimate news organization, as 120 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: an entire empire of covert projects designed to shape public 121 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: opinion in Western audiences. And one of these covert projects 122 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: it described as the funding of what we now know 123 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: is Tenant Media. Right, it's described in these documents because 124 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 2: their indictments is a Tennessee based online creation company, but 125 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: it's it can only be referring to Tenant Media. 126 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: As employees have since admitted that yes, it is for 127 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 4: sure to Tenant Media. 128 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there's no doubt about this. We're not like 129 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: reading into the what the FED said here at all. 130 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: So they spent over the course of about a year 131 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: ten million dollars I think it's actually was more like 132 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: nine point six, but ten million dollars basically just buying 133 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: these influencers oh my god. First off, things we could 134 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: do with ten million dollars yeah, oh oh, James, we'd 135 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: be sailing to me and Maar and on a pale 136 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: rocket launchers. 137 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: The things that their military could do with ten billion dollars. 138 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: Sending dude to the front with ass off plates. Yeah, 139 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 3: it's anyway. Whatever. 140 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: So the kind of key detail there is how much 141 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: they were making per one of these dog shit videos, 142 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 2: which is about one hundred thousand dollars per YouTube video. 143 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: That's what Tim was getting. I think Dave Rubin was 144 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: getting close to just half a million a month to 145 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: do like a weekly video. So when that is the 146 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: kind of money we're talking. 147 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 4: About, and Tim was also being paid one hundred thousand 148 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 4: dollars per weekly video as well. He was making one 149 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 4: video a week, that was what he decided on his contract, 150 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 4: So he was breaking in at least four hundred thousand, 151 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 4: if not five hundred thousand dollars a month. 152 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they had signing and download bonuses on 153 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 5: top of that. 154 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: Which is like even for them, is more than you 155 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: could get on YouTube for the kind of traffic that 156 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: they get. That is that is like the top one 157 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: percent of the top one percent of YouTube creators are 158 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: making money like that, and certainly no one with the 159 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,559 Speaker 2: kind of views these teniviity is we're getting. So anyway, Garrison, 160 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: you've got a clip to play. 161 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, here's a clip that's definitely a totally genuine opinion. 162 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 4: Not impacted by those one hundred thousand dollars of Tim 163 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 4: Poole talking about Ukraine. 164 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: Trigger warning, most annoying man on earth. 165 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 7: This is psychotic. Ukraine is the enemy of this country. 166 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 7: Ukraine is our enemy being funded by the Democrats. I 167 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 7: will stress again one of the greatest enemies of our 168 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 7: nation right now is Ukraine. They are expanding this war now, 169 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 7: don't get me wrong. I know you've got criminal elements 170 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 7: of the US government pushing them and guiding them and 171 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 7: telling them what to do. Ukraine is now accused a 172 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 7: German warrant issued for blowing up the nord Stream pipeline 173 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 7: in triggering this conflict. Ukraine is the greatest threat to 174 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 7: this nation and to the world. We should rescind all 175 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 7: funding and financing, pull out all military support, and we 176 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 7: should apologize to Russia. 177 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 4: Interesting, I wonder what would compel a man to say 178 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: that huis're curious. 179 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: There's no way to know Garrison. 180 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: So since they publicly launched in November of last year, 181 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: Tenant Media posted almost two thousand videos that got about 182 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 2: sixteen million views. And sixteen million views is a lot 183 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: for a YouTube channel, but not if you've put out 184 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: two thousand videos. So again, that's what I mean when 185 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: I say, like, this is not the kind of audience 186 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: that you would get this kind of money organically for, right, 187 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: Like this is was obviously and I mentioned this because 188 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: this is obviously suspicious to the creators. You cannot be 189 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: Timpoole is not a smart man, but you cannot work 190 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: for YouTube the way that he has and not know 191 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 2: that something is fucked up with the money, just if. 192 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 5: You're not a mental arithmetician like myself. That is eight 193 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 5: thousand views video. I made a video once about how 194 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 5: to use hiking polls, which has around that many views. 195 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: I have a video that I fucked up when filming 196 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: another video while I was reviewing products fifteen years ago 197 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: before anyone knew who I was that has more than 198 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: eight years Like, where's all money, Vladimir, Yeah, yeah, come on, Vladimir, 199 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: Like I'll there's a lot I'll do for half a 200 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: million dollars well. 201 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 4: And I think part of this as well is not 202 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 4: just trying to prop up tenants owned news itself. It's 203 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 4: making these specific content creators lives more comfortable, because the 204 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 4: better that these guys do. That's all that Russia is 205 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: like interested in, as alleged in this document, right, It's 206 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 4: that they just want to make sure that these guys 207 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 4: can can still talk about Ukraine as certainly as like 208 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 4: this like evil and how Russia is like the traditionalist 209 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 4: Christian empire and right wing resistance to globalist domination. But 210 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 4: in terms of like just wanting to amplify US domestic 211 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 4: divisions in order to weaken US opposition to core government 212 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 4: of Russia's interests in the ongoing war in Ukraine. As 213 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 4: said in the document, all they need to do is 214 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 4: just make sure these guys are having a lot of money, 215 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: so like their comfortable tenant doesn't need to be like 216 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 4: a successful media operation where like they're making more money 217 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 4: on YouTube than they're paying their influences. 218 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 6: That's not the point. 219 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 4: The point is just to give these guys a lot 220 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 4: of money to keep talking the way they're talking. 221 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, what was also interesting to me, and this comes 222 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: from a wired article wired downloaded as many of these 223 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: videos as they could and then ran them through. This 224 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: is actually one of the journalistic uses for these large 225 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: language models. They ran them through like one of those 226 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: machine learning algorithms to just kind of look at how 227 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: often different subjects are mentioned, because no human being could 228 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: analyze that many videos with any kind of like speed, right, 229 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: And one thing they found is that Ukraine, which you 230 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: would imagine being the focus of a horrific war that 231 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: is bleeding Russia's military was mentioned about like a third 232 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: as often as transgender people. The vast majority of the 233 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: content was US culture war stuff right like woke is 234 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: much more of a focus than anything to do directly 235 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: with Russian military operations or Russian like government, like what 236 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: you would imagine, right, And the reason for that is 237 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: that they see it as number one, building a sense 238 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 2: of solidarity between American conservative and Russia, which is largely imaginary. 239 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: I'll be talking about this in an episode later, but like, 240 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: Russia is not the country a lot of conservatives in 241 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: the US think it is. But more to the point, 242 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: it's just sort of stoking division, right, rather than actually 243 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: needing to change American minds on Ukraine. In much of 244 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 2: a concerted way, like if you kind of keep them 245 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: ginned up and angry about everything the quote unquote Left 246 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: is doing, they will be against supporting Ukrainian resistance anyway, right, 247 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: And that's the bet the Russians made, very very astutely, 248 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: and it seems to be paying off for them. One 249 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: of the more interesting facts here is that one of 250 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 2: the primary contacts, this is one of the people who 251 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: has been indicted, who was working with you know, Pool 252 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 2: and these other creators, is an employee of Russia today 253 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: with the perfect spy name, Constantine Kalashnikov. 254 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: Just amazing stuff. 255 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 6: How is that literally their day? 256 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? How do they not just change it? 257 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: We call it a Kalashnikov because the guy's name was Kalashnikov. 258 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 6: It's just lovely. It's just lovely. 259 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 3: It's beautiful. 260 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: It's breathtaking because if you put a character with that 261 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: name in a Bond film, everyone would be like, come on, man, 262 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: it's not nineteen sixty five anymore, what are we doing here? 263 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 3: But that that's just the person's actual name. It's beautiful. 264 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: So they had a couple of fake personas within the company, 265 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: but this was a person who like directly talked to 266 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 2: the employees of people like Pool, the editors and whatnot 267 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 2: without disclosing that he worked at Russia. Today now there's 268 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: evidence that people who worked for some of these creators 269 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: in their discords, like Editors and whatnot, saw this as 270 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: deeply suspicious. Probably the most interesting came from when we 271 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: now know it was Tucker Carlson posted a video during 272 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: his trip in Moscow like where he was going to 273 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: a Russian grocery store to be like, look, Russia has 274 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: grocery stores. Everything's fine here. His editor in the discord 275 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: was like, this seems like a little much. What are 276 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 2: we doing here? Basically, and the statement made was along 277 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: the lines of like, you know, this is what the 278 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: people paying us want us to get out right, which 279 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: is clear evidence that people were aware of what they 280 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: were doing to some extent. 281 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 4: At least among like the tenant media producers, there was 282 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 4: a growing awareness of what was actually going on. Obviously, 283 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 4: all of the on air talent still maintains that they 284 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 4: are the victims of an international conspiracy. 285 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: In a victim pays I guess. 286 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 4: Oh my god, and no, I think one of the 287 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 4: funniest parts is definitely this fake European businessman I believe 288 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 4: he's referred to as Edward Grengorian. 289 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: Yes, it was very funny, but we'll talk about Edward. 290 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: Let's throw to ads first and then we'll get back 291 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: to this, and we're back Garrison. Let's talk about Edward. 292 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 293 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 4: So in the document they talked about how Klashnikov, this 294 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 4: other RT person, as well as Tenants founders worked together 295 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 4: to deceive commentators wanted to who we believe are our 296 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 4: Timpool and Dave Rubin. The point was to let leverage 297 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 4: their existing audiences and license their videos they were already making. 298 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 4: So together the RT people and the Tenant founders tried 299 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 4: to trick Pool and who we believe is Ruben into 300 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 4: thinking that the person providing these one hundred thousand dollars 301 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 4: per episodes was a European businessman and private investor named 302 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 4: Edward Gregorian, which is a wonderful a wonderful fake name. 303 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 4: And this was not real person. This was a completely 304 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 4: fake person. At some point, I believe Dave Ruben or 305 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 4: commentator number one, requested that the founder provide like a 306 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 4: profile or an article. 307 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was commentator too that wanted to know 308 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: more about quote, would like to know more about the company. 309 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: And who he will be working with. 310 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, so they asked for like this, like one page 311 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: profile on like who this guy was, and this was 312 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: provided and he was described as an accomplished finance professional 313 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 4: who had various positions in Brussels and France at a 314 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 4: multinational bank, including the director of private banking division and 315 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 4: wealth management. 316 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: The one page on this guy, who is supposedly their investor, 317 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: shows an obvious stock photo of a man on a 318 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: private jet with his face blurred out face bloods. Yeah, 319 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: that's what that looks real. Yeah, not sketchy at all. 320 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: This is this is an actual guy quote. Founder one 321 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: transmitted the Edward Gregorian profile to Commentator one, who is 322 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: either Pool or Ruben. 323 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 6: We believe it's Reuben. 324 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 325 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: I think that one's Ruben because Tim wouldn't have asked 326 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: for more details, Honor. About May twelfth, twenty twenty three, 327 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: Founder one reported to Persona one that Commentator one had 328 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: a problem with the profile we sent over, specifically the 329 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: reference to social justice. I think it may be because 330 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: that's usually a term used by liberals, but we're trying 331 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: to create a conservative network. Founder one suggested that Commentator 332 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: one and Edward could simply speak together to clarify the profile. 333 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 4: Yes, and I know there was a secure call between 334 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 4: a Russian atent pretending to be mister Gregorian to Tempoole, 335 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 4: and allegedly this other call with commentator one, who we 336 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 4: think is Ruben. So there was like conversations between like 337 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 4: Rubin and Pool with people like further involved in the 338 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 4: actual like espionage parts of this and the actual like 339 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 4: you're talking to people affiliated with like Russian spies in 340 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 4: order to like sell this lie. 341 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: I did find it very funny. 342 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 5: Where did you read the section where they sort of 343 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 5: did a forensic analysis of the three persona's email accounts. Yeah, no, 344 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 5: I'm not far up in doing it yet. So they 345 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 5: had three different personas, so all access from the same 346 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 5: I P address and had different presenting a three different individuals, right, 347 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 5: with three different email accounts. Obviously the DOJ has been 348 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 5: able to get access to those EMAT accounts, and they 349 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 5: found that the people using those email accounts made mistakes 350 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 5: in signing them. So one was supposed to come from 351 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 5: PERSONA three that they mistakenly signed to Edward Gregorian, and 352 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 5: another time PERSONA one sent a draft of an email 353 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 5: to PERSONA to two, which PERSONA two then copied and 354 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 5: pasted into an email like the object was extremely poor, 355 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 5: it would seem, and it didn't set anyone off to 356 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 5: kind of. 357 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 2: Make that point in terms of, like what's happening to 358 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: these guys right now? What they've been indicted for is 359 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: violations of the Foreign Agent Registration Act. Like, if you 360 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: are acting as the agent of a foreign government, you 361 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: have to register in the United States. You have a 362 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: freedom of speech, but you don't have freedom to create 363 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: propaganda for another government and pretend. 364 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 3: That you're not right. 365 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you know, obviously one of the things 366 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 2: the Feds needed to indict them is evidence that they knew, 367 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: specifically they were being employed by the Russian government, Right 368 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: that like the Russians hadn't somehow snuck money to the 369 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 2: people who founded Tenant Media. 370 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 3: Right. 371 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 2: And so at one point Founder two gets on the 372 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: Investor Discord channel to submit one of the influencers, I 373 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 2: think it's Rubens invoices to PERSONA one and press for 374 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: payment of those invoices. On September eleventh, twenty twenty three, 375 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: never forget, at approximately eight oh seven pm Central Time, 376 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: Founder two wrote in that discord channel. Today marks two 377 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: weeks since I submitted the invoice for August. Any idea 378 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: for the delay. We are signing the large contracts. We 379 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: need to be certain we will get the funding to 380 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: pay these people. While waiting for a response, they searched 381 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: for the current time in Moscow. So jess unbelievable opsec 382 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 2: like giving the government absolute knowledge of intent. 383 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: I mean similarly, earlier on in the document quote in 384 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 4: their private respondence while working directly for URT pursue into 385 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 4: Founder one's written contract, Founder one and Founder two regularly 386 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 4: referred to their sponsor as the Russians and for exact honor. 387 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 4: About May twelfth, twenty twenty one, Founder two message Founder 388 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 4: one on discord, quote, so we're billing the Russians from 389 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 4: the corporation, right honor. About May twenty second, Founder one 390 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 4: message Founder two on discord. Also, the Russians paid, so 391 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 4: we're good to build them for the second month. I 392 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 4: guess nailed it on her. About June second, Founder one 393 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 4: message Founder two on Discord, Also, I say we build 394 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 4: the Russians for the last month, once we're done. 395 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 3: The extra offense. I wonder if they knew they were 396 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 3: working for the Russian government. 397 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 6: There's a lot more that's just like this. 398 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 4: They constantly referred to the source of their income, at 399 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 4: least to each other as quote unquote the Russians. And 400 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 4: then in like outreach to like talent, which is, you know, 401 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 4: a generous word to refer to Timpoole and others, they 402 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 4: were a little bit more vague, but they certainly made 403 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: kind of coy references to it in their producer discord beautiful. 404 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so, I mean the big question here with 405 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: all of this is, like, did any of these major 406 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: right wing media figures who have like they got hired 407 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 2: in part because they were already doing the job the 408 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 2: Russians wanted them doing, you know, building up this kind 409 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 2: of hatred that exists on the right over the idea 410 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 2: of funding Ukraine and Ukrainian resistance to the Russian war machine. 411 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: Like all of that kind of stuff is like why 412 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: these people got brought on anyway. Tim Poole has just 413 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: kind of been one of the most reflexively anti Ukraine 414 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 2: voices in conservative media, and Ruben is very effective at 415 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: getting Americans to hate other Americans, Like he's one of 416 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: the big kind of anti trans culture warriors out there. 417 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 2: Did O Hansen Like that's why they wanted these guys 418 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: like they wanted to encourage them basically to keep it up. 419 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: And you know, the question then is what did these 420 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: guys know and when did they know it? And the 421 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: bigger question because I have my suspicions, and my suspicions 422 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 2: are a lot and immediately, but none of that is 423 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: in this indictment obviously. And the big question then is 424 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: is the federal government going to attempt to prove anything 425 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: like do they want to actually go after these guys? 426 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 3: And I don't know. 427 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: My guess is not, because there very rarely are consequences 428 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 2: for these people. But I'm curious to what y'all think. 429 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 6: No, it's it's it seems not. 430 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 4: I'm both both Pool and I think three others have 431 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 4: made statements saying that they've been contacted by the FBI 432 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 4: as a potential victim of a crime and that they 433 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 4: will be happy to assist the FBI investigating this matter. 434 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: Now, that doesn't mean the FBI isn't necessarily looking into them, 435 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 2: because that's all which the FBI would use if they 436 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 2: suspected them. But yeah, my guess is that they lawyered up. 437 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 4: Absolutely. It was funny both in there in Betty Johnson's 438 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 4: and Timpole's immediate statements. They called this elk DOJ indictment, 439 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 4: which is not true. It was not leaked, it was 440 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 4: just unsealed. 441 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, they just arrested people. Yeah, I'm very sure there's 442 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 3: a press release. 443 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: Like Also, one of the final posts from Tenant Media, 444 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 4: I was talking about how this woman named Lauren's son 445 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 4: was charged with acting as an agent of the Chinese 446 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 4: Communist Party. Quote he or she is talking about DEI? 447 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 4: Why would the Chinese government want to push a DEI 448 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 4: in America? 449 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 5: Oh? 450 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is This is I think one of one 451 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 4: of the final Twitter posts before their account got taken down. 452 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful. Their Rumble account is still live and kicking. Yeah. 453 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 3: Oh thank goodness that out. 454 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 5: Also, can we talk about their graphic design just for 455 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 5: a moment, because it is dog shit? Yeah, Tenant Mediums, 456 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 5: Tenant Yeah, like, have you I don't know, have you? 457 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 5: Have you been on their Rumble account? Garrison, you know, 458 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 5: I can't. 459 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 4: I can't say I have been on their Rumble account 460 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 4: as of as of recent. 461 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 3: The last time I looked at Rumble it was their 462 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: booth at the rnc OW. 463 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 5: Let me tell you they're back and genuinely some of 464 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 5: the most like deranged. It's just it's extremely busy, it's 465 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 5: very nineties like, it's a lot of bright colors. 466 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 2: I mean. 467 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 4: The clearest indication to me that this was absolutely a 468 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 4: Russian op is that the company described itself as quote 469 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 4: a network of heterodox commentators that focus on Western political 470 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 4: and cultural issues. 471 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 2: Definitely Russians. Definitely Russians. 472 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 6: You're like, oh, I wonder who wrote that? Who whatever? 473 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: Describe themselves. 474 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: Tim Poole had never even seen the word head of 475 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 2: Redox before. 476 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy, it's wild. 477 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, they put multipolar into a theosaurus and that's what 478 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 5: they came up with. 479 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 6: It's crazy. 480 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 3: It is interesting. 481 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: One of the things in this indictment that I did 482 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: find kind of worth talking about is that it specifically 483 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 2: notes that folks at Russia Today when they were because 484 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: they were largely deplatformed after the expanded Russian invasion in 485 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two early twenty twenty two, and the indictment 486 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: quotes the editor in chief of Russia Today being like, 487 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 2: but it's fine because we were able to rebuild our 488 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 2: following on Twitter. So I don't know if you, just 489 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: in case you had any questions about like what Elon 490 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 2: Musk's reforms at Twitter have accomplished. One of them is 491 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: that we should probably roll to ads again. And then, Garrison, 492 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 2: you had a very fun document you wanted to take. 493 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 4: Us through, yes to kind of talk about why they 494 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 4: might be doing some of this. There was one other 495 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 4: document that was unsealed that kind of kind of sheds 496 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 4: a light on Russia's exact focus on influencing US politics. 497 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: Well, that's great, speaking of influencing US politics. Our advertisers 498 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: probably don't. 499 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 3: And we're back. 500 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 4: There's another document called Exhibit nine to A, which is 501 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 4: originally in Russian and this translated Coffee is provided in 502 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 4: this PDF, and this appears to be some kind of 503 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 4: instructional manual for why exactly people are going about this, 504 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 4: why exactly is Tim Poole and all these others getting 505 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 4: paid to talk about what they talk about, And then 506 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 4: it also kind of explains like tactics and like how 507 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 4: to actually go about it. So the first bit of 508 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 4: this of this document, they just start talking about like 509 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 4: the US two party system, which is really funny, and 510 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 4: they primarily explain the two party systems differences as being 511 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 4: like the way that they affect that the US political 512 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 4: party B or Democratic Party includes people of color and 513 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 4: quote unquote supporters of affirmative action and reverse discrimination, i e. 514 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 4: Infringement on the rights of the white population of the 515 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 4: United States. And then meanwhile, the Republican Party are victims 516 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 4: of discrimination by people of color unquote. So that's how 517 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 4: they kind of frame the US two party system is 518 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 4: that there's these poor white people being oppressed by wokeism. 519 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 4: They end this little introduction on the two party system 520 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 4: by saying, quote, a key characteristic of the American media 521 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 4: is it skew towards the Democratic Party's influence. While society 522 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 4: is split between supporters of the new globalist socialism and 523 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 4: traditional values, the media is democrat by over seventy five percent. 524 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 4: Situation for the Republicans is made complicated by the censorship 525 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 4: on social media and Democrats oriented new media. So some 526 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 4: kind of weird phrasing there because it is being translated 527 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 4: from Russian. But they're talking about how liberalism is inherently 528 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 4: biased in media and that's something that promoted while being 529 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 4: racist and being a Republican is something that is harder 530 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 4: to get paid for by big media to talk about. 531 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 4: And that's why they have this campaign, which they title 532 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 4: Gorilla media campaign in the United States. They justify this 533 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 4: by saying that there is no pro Russian and or 534 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 4: putin mainstream politicians or succinctly large numbers of influencers and voters, 535 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 4: and this is one of the things they're trying to do. 536 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 4: Another quote is that Americans are quote dissatisfied by the 537 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 4: dramatic decline and center of living and large expenditures of 538 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 4: offensive policy in the United States, in Europe and Ukraine. 539 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 4: They are afraid of losing the American way of life 540 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 4: in the American dream. It is these sentiments that should 541 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 4: be exploited in the course of an information campaign in 542 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: the United States. Smart The campaign topics used in their 543 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 4: Gorilla Media campaign are included here. The first ones encroaching 544 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 4: universal poverty. Number two is the risk of job loss 545 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 4: for white Americans, for people of color, perverts and disabled, 546 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 4: constant lies of the Democratic Party administration, the threat of 547 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 4: crime coming from people of color and immigrants, including new 548 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 4: immigrants from Ukraine. Overspending on foreign policy at the expense 549 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 4: of interests of white US citizens. Constant lies to the 550 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 4: voters by the Democrats in power. Last, but not least 551 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 4: America is suffering a defeat despite liberals' efforts. We are 552 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 4: being drawn into the water. Our guys will die in Ukraine. 553 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 4: The target audience of their campaign is listed as Republican voters, 554 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 4: Donald Trump supporters, supporters of quote traditional family values, white 555 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 4: Americans representing the lower and middle class. 556 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things. It's frustrating 557 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: that it is working. Yeah, to be quite frank, it's 558 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: exactly what the Russiagate conspiracy theorists have been saying for years. Unfortunately, Yeah, unfortunately, 559 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: and like a shitload of people on the left have 560 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: just been mocking them endlessly, in part because they've bought 561 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: a lot of this propaganda. 562 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 4: And this is certainly different from the way they were 563 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 4: going about it in twenty sixteen, right, And this isn't 564 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 4: absolutely yeah, like this, this isn't the same like Facebook 565 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 4: stuff they're doing, although Tenant did did have Facebook accounts. 566 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 4: These are like weaponizing these people that have gotten big 567 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 4: on YouTube and other platforms for talking about the same 568 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 4: type of things that Russia kind of wants them to 569 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 4: talk about, and it's just making sure that they have 570 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 4: the ability to do so. Kind of Lastly, in this 571 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: information doc They talk about kind of like where you 572 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 4: can spread this disinformation, It says here quote on Facebook, Twitter, 573 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 4: and YouTube. We need to create multiple perishable accounts, primarily 574 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 4: for the work with comments. Websites should serve as the 575 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 4: sources of information for dissemination and for video content YouTube 576 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 4: accounts with a relatively small number of subscribers and commentators unquote. 577 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 4: The list of information products can be disseminated includes texts 578 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 4: of posts, comments on social media, memes including cariactures and collages, 579 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 4: and video content including news stories in the Fox News style. 580 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 4: They then propose creating a quote unquote project office to 581 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 4: run this style of like media campaign. This consists of 582 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 4: three segments monitoring US media and social media accounts of 583 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 4: Republican politicians, a text factor with a minimum of five 584 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 4: to four main topic based recommendations including about ten basic 585 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 4: posts on social media and forty to sixty comments, and 586 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 4: then managing an editorial office with a daily output of 587 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 4: three to four pictures and memes, and a video editorial 588 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 4: office with a daily output of three to four videos 589 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 4: per day. 590 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 6: Quote. 591 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 4: In order for this work to be effective, you need 592 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 4: to use a minimum of fake news and a maximum 593 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 4: of realistic information. At the same time, you should continuously 594 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 4: repeat that this is what's really happening, but the official 595 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 4: media will never tell you about it or show it 596 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 4: to you. 597 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 3: Quote. 598 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: So, I mean, like part of what's frustrating about this 599 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 2: number one is just like they clearly have watched Alex Jones, 600 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: and like, I've learned a great deal from how he's 601 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: done this, which, unfortunately something Alex used to claim about putin. 602 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 3: That fuck maybe he was right. 603 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 2: But the bigger, more frustrating point to me is that like, oh, 604 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: they didn't need to do any of this at all, 605 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: Like this was all working just fine without them directly 606 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 2: getting involved. 607 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 3: This way, I kind of am intro. 608 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 2: I think it's probably just a reaction to the fact 609 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: that they had a lot of their more traditional stuff 610 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 2: get deplatformed after February twenty twenty two. Yeah, but like 611 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 2: this was all stuff the right was doing organically in 612 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 2: their media without Russian money. 613 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 3: They didn't need this. 614 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 4: They certainly are trying to kind of rebuild some of 615 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 4: their like directabilities influence after like RT got deplatformed. The 616 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 4: other part that's interesting to me is because like this 617 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 4: indictment focuses on like Tenet media as being kind of 618 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 4: one of these video editorial offices that with a daily 619 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,239 Speaker 4: output of three to four videos a day. Like that 620 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 4: that's what this that's what this kind of guy to describes, 621 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 4: That's what tenant is this evidence. Stock also talks about 622 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 4: how like they're also just like faking engagement, getting like 623 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 4: sixty comments per day on various social media posts on 624 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 4: political topics. So that also like points towards like a 625 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 4: lot of people like driving like discussions and trying to 626 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 4: like increase the actual like visibility and engagement is being 627 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 4: boosted by this like non authentic interference. A lot of 628 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 4: videos will go viral not just because they had a 629 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 4: lot of people watch them initially, it's because they have 630 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 4: a lot of engagement in like the comments, and that's 631 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 4: what's going to push something to actually show up more 632 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 4: people's feats. Like that is how Twitter currently works. There's 633 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 4: a degree to which that's how things work on YouTube. 634 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 4: So it's also just trying to to try to like 635 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 4: engineer virality by faking a certain amount of engagement. Yeah, 636 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 4: there's also like that that degree of like interference beyond 637 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 4: just actually you know, paying for Tim Poole to talk 638 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 4: about Ukraine and talk about how gay people are evil 639 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 4: once a week. 640 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 641 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: I think that's probably all we've got to say about 642 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 2: this for right now. This is not the most surprising 643 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: news in the world. It is good that it's embarrassing 644 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 2: some of these guys. 645 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 3: I don't know that. 646 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: I think it's actually going to hurt their listenership at all. 647 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: The people who listen to them don't really care. 648 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll lie out of it. 649 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll find some way to bit and to make 650 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 4: themselves the victim out of it. 651 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 652 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 4: They will not have any reflection that there was a 653 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 4: whole Russian operation to identify like influencers to scout for 654 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 4: that would serve Russia's purposes. That they will never reflect 655 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 4: on why they specifically were scouted for. No, Yeah, they 656 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 4: will never reflect that. The only bit of like, the 657 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 4: only bit of hesitation that they had to take this 658 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 4: money was that the profile for the think businessman mentioned 659 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 4: to social justice. That was the only thing that they 660 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 4: like protested. That's the only thing that they actually wanted 661 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 4: to look further into was the fact that he listed 662 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 4: social justice is something he cares about, and not the 663 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 4: fact that he just doesn't exist at all. 664 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 6: This is a completely fake person. 665 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 4: They were able to flag social justice but not flag 666 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 4: that he just did not exist. 667 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 5: It. 668 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 4: None of this will cause any kind of recollection because 669 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 4: these guys don't care. Like the reason why they say 670 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 4: what they say is because they can make five hundred 671 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 4: thousand dollar a month extra saying it. So imagine how 672 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 4: much money they're already making. Yeah, Like that explains why 673 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 4: they're doing what they're doing. Like they don't care what 674 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 4: they say anymore. They make such a ridiculous amount of 675 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 4: money that it doesn't matter. 676 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what it's always been about. Like they 677 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 2: have never believed in anything. 678 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't need to like reflect on any of 679 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 4: this because they're still making tons of money. They're making 680 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 4: slightly less than they used to now that Russia's not 681 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 4: paying them, but they are still making tons especially like 682 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 4: if this is what they thought like the going price was, 683 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 4: like they suggested these amounts, like they this is like 684 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 4: the regular price for them, and that kind of points 685 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 4: towards how much money is flying around this right wing 686 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 4: medio ecosystem. 687 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 3: Yep, great good stuff. 688 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, the last couple of videos were focusing on this 689 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 5: ridiculous lie that migrant's taken over an apartment complex in Colorado, 690 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 5: Like all this shit that just isn't true that they've 691 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 5: been able to make true. I don't know, it's so frustrating. 692 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 5: I find it's so frustrating. Also, how like Pool has 693 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,919 Speaker 5: been able to run this line, Like the media won't 694 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 5: tell you this because there are things that legitimately our 695 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 5: neoliberal establishment media completely ignores, and like that leaves the 696 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 5: door open for this kind of shit, and as a result, 697 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 5: people can fill that space with lies, as we're seeing here. 698 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 6: Yeah. 699 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 4: Well, so the next time you get contacted by a 700 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 4: shady man on WhatsApp to pay you five hundred thousand 701 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 4: dollars about talking about how gay people are evil, you 702 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 4: might want to check to see if he's actually a 703 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 4: Russian agent first. You just you might want to do 704 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 4: a little a little bit of work. 705 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, they have to tell you. It's like cops. You 706 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 3: just ask him that they have to tell you, you 707 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 3: know what, Just send him my way. That's exciting new 708 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 3: content news for you, guys. 709 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 4: I will not get paid by Russia to lie. I 710 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 4: might get paid by like Sweden, you know, to like 711 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 4: advance Swedish interests. 712 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 2: Maybe there's a number of most countries I would lie for. 713 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 2: Besides that aren't Russia. Yeah, would I would lie for 714 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: like Japan? Probably No, that could get dark. 715 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 3: Actually yeah, yeah, I leave that one out. 716 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 6: Bro Sweden, Sweden's perfect, No, it's scarce. 717 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 2: I think you're underestimating the kind of shit Sweden gets 718 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 2: up to. 719 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 6: Oh no, they're certainly evil. They're certainly evil. 720 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 4: But in terms of like a very like milk toast 721 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 4: country to get paid to increase their foreign interest, then 722 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 4: I think Sweden's about as good as you're gonna get. 723 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 6: Like, come on, like hungry, come on, come. 724 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 3: On, Switzerland. 725 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 2: You know all the Switzerland you would you would quickly 726 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 2: get implicated, but they could pay. 727 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 6: All the financial all the financial price. 728 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, Robert and I received material benefits from the Burmese PDF. 729 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 5: We both had a nice lunch from them, and that 730 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 5: has been what we've done all our coverage. It's time 731 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 5: for us to come clean now. 732 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: We did, although you did get very sick afterwards, sonvably sick, 733 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 2: and you lucked me out of the toilet, So yeah, 734 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 2: that was pretty funny. 735 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 4: What it's time anyway, Rip Tenant Media, you were a 736 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 4: big one. 737 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow. 738 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: It could Happen Here as a production of cool Zone Media. 739 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 740 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,919 Speaker 1: coolzonemedia dot com or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 741 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 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