1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Harrison saying she wants to abolish the insurance industry. That's 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: that's not correct, and that's not American. What's next? What 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: what industry are we gonna abolish next? The coffee industry? 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Setting the table sit down for Lonnie Chen to talk 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: about where Kamala Harris is in the race now, and 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: you've got Shelts in and between him completely one hundent 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: disagreeing with the main policy point of Kamala Harris in 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: her early days. Between that and the fact that The 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: New York Times out with an op ed piece that says, Schultz, 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: please don't run for president. A bid by Starbucks checks 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: chief would be reckless idiocy, and he's got some problems. 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: Lonnie Chen is the David and Diane Stephy Research Fellow 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: with the Hoover Institution, also director of Domestic Policy Studies, 14 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: lecturer in the Public Policy Program at Stanford University, joins us. Now, Lonnie, 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: how are you, sir? Hey, good morning, guys, how are 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: you good morning? So listen, left, right and center. There's 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of appeal to the Howard 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: Schultz story and some of the policies he is pitching. 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: Why is it so hard for an independent to win 20 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: a presidential race. Well, you know, there are a lot 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: of structural issues in the United States that actually make 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: it tough for independence, not the least of which is 23 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: just getting access to the ballot. Just being on the 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: ballot in some of these states is remarkably difficult. Now, 25 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: what Howard Sheltz has that a lot of independent candidates 26 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: in the past may not have had is a lot 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: of money. And if you're able to essentially spend your 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: way or buy your way onto these ballots, then that 29 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: ballot access issue is less of a problem. But you know, 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: I think traditionally what ends up happening is that we 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: get closer to election day, people say in their hearts 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: maybe they want an independent candidate, but more often than 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: not they'll end up picking one of the two major 34 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: parties because they're used to it. And I think Howard 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: Schultz is going to face a similar challenge if he 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: runs as an independence. I wonder if people are so 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: sick of the parties that that's change. Hey. One final 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: note on that question is I've heard it said many 39 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,279 Speaker 1: times that do well with the electoral college that really 40 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: makes it tough for an independent. What do people mean 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: when they say that, well, you know, because it's a 42 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: it's a winner take all situation. Other words, if you 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: win a particular state, with the exception of two states 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, Maine in Nebraska, their exceptions every other state 45 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 1: in the Union, if you win a if you win 46 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: that state's popular vote, you win all of the electoral votes. 47 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: It's not like it's a proportional system where let's say 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: you won percent of the votes and you get twenty 49 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: percent of the electoral votes. That's on how it works 50 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: in most states except for Maine in Nebraska, which do 51 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: allocate proportionally. Essentially, if you win by one percentage point, 52 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: you've just won all of those electoral votes. It's how 53 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump won in sixteen by a narrow margin in 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: Michigan and Wisconsin. He was able to get all those 55 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: states electoral votes. So the issue for for independent candidates 56 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: is traditionally, because they haven't had as much market share 57 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: as the major part east, they have not been able 58 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: to do as well because even if they get let's 59 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: say twenty or twenty five or thirty percent of the 60 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: vote in some of these states, they still walk away 61 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: with no electoral votes and no contribution to a winning 62 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: margin for the presidency. You've been involved in campaigns at 63 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: a high level, Mitt Romney and Marco Rubio. It's name 64 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: two and um. So you know how this whole game works. 65 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: If if you're trying to help a Republican get elected, 66 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: you want Howard schultzon, don't you? Yeah? I have to 67 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: think so. I mean, you know, Howard Schultz, for all 68 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: of his his sort of talk about being against Medicare 69 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: for all and against some of these more progressive policies, 70 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: his orientation is fundamentally anti Trump and and the pool 71 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: of voters he's going to draw from. You know, the 72 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: Republicans are pretty united behind Trump still. I've seen recent 73 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: polling to suggest he's about eighty five percent support percent support. 74 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: So there's not there's not a ton of votes to 75 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: draw from on the Republican side. It's gonna be Democrats. 76 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: He's gonna end up fracturing that anti Trump vote and 77 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: making it harder for a Democrat I think, at least 78 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: to win the presidency. Now there's some disagreement about this. 79 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,839 Speaker 1: You know, Nate Silver, who's the online blogger and prognosticator, 80 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: has said, look, it's actually not that simple. That independent 81 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: candidates are usually drawing off the margins of the two 82 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: parties and pretty equally between the two. But I tend 83 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: to think in this situation, because of how strongly people 84 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 1: feel about Trump, it's gonna be hard for Howard Schultz 85 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: to run and for it not to be to the detriment. 86 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: And the Democrat who runs against Trump, Well, how big 87 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: a problem is it for Kamala Harris to have one 88 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: of her you know, major talking points in the first 89 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: couple of days of her campaign to have a couple 90 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: of Democrat billionaires come out and say that's a terrible idea. Well, 91 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, in a in a primary, it might not 92 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: be the worst thing for her, because you gotta remember 93 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: that the primary audience she's speaking to in the Democratic 94 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: Party primary for the presidency is going to skew more progressive, 95 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: it's going to skew more liberal. And as a result, 96 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: if she's got people attacking her point of view, attacking 97 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: her point of view on to care for all who 98 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: are these billionaires, Uh, it might actually work in her advantage. 99 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys played the clip of the of 100 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: the reaction to Shultz to someone called him a you 101 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: know what hole? Uh that that is that is pretty indicative. 102 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 1: I think of how a lot of primary voters feel 103 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: about Howard Schultz, and by the way, about Michael Bloomberg 104 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: as well well, in in the demagoguery that is the primaries. 105 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: If I'm Kamala Harris's campaign manager one of our thinkers, 106 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: I tell her, Hey, Kamala, go out today and say 107 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,679 Speaker 1: it turns out the billionaires are against me. I'm proud 108 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: that the billionaires are against me and the cross and 109 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: she's fine. Um, so listen, So, Lonnie, I am going to, 110 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: through my imperial powers, put you in charge of the 111 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: Republican National Committee today. Um, congratulations, enjoy that job. I'm 112 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: not sure that the job I want right now. But 113 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: who who are Who are two or three names on 114 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: the Democrats side that concerned you most in terms of 115 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: the big job the presidency? Yeah, I mean there are two. 116 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: I think. I do think Kamala Harris is a concern. 117 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: I think she's a concern because she checked so many 118 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: different boxes for for different constituencies that are anti Trump 119 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: and and and by the way, I teach a class 120 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: at Stanford this quarter where we're looking at presidential campaigns, 121 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: and we took a little straw poll yesterday, and it's unrepresentative. 122 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: It's a bunch of millennials at Stanford. But Kamala Harris 123 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: was the favorite, and I think that demonstrates to a 124 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: certain degree how that Democratic primary electorate is going to 125 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: go for. And the thing about her is she's got 126 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: kind of an interesting background because she was a prosecutor 127 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 1: for a while. Uh. She you know, has a number 128 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: of aspects that I think would make her potentially appealing 129 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: to centrist voters if that's the way she wants to 130 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: market herself. The other person, I'll just say briefly who 131 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: I think who I think probably worries the Republican partner 132 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: the long run is Mike Bloomberg. If obviously his big 133 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: challenge is going to be getting through the primary as 134 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: a New York billionaire, But were he able to get 135 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: through his money and his appeal to centrist and also, look, 136 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: he's a competent executive, the guy ran New York City 137 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: pretty well. Uh, he would be a challenge I would 138 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: think for Trump. So those are the Those are two 139 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: and a third. Sorry I know you asked for two. 140 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: But a third that I'm worried about is Joe Biden. 141 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: For the obvious reasons that he's Joe Biden and he's 142 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: very crafty. Do you know Bloomberg only has two pairs 143 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: of shoes he's worn for decades. He's got a pair 144 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: of brown Penny loafers and a pair of black same 145 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: brand he bought at the same time, and he just 146 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: alternates him depending on his belt tu the days, Hild 147 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: It's an interesting quirk to the man um How much 148 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: of an advantage is it to I mean, obviously there's 149 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: advantages to be a billionire and having all that kind 150 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: of money, But can you can you to a certain 151 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: extent by your way through this process? Doesn't work that 152 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: way because I remember in the Freakonomics book a couple 153 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: of years ago, they had a chapter in there where 154 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: they said the rich person often does not gain that 155 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: much by trying to buy their way into a race. Yeah, 156 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: and particularly when you're talking about a presidential primary, it's 157 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: really about capturing hearts rather than capturing mind. I think 158 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: if you were to ask a lot of Democrats, they 159 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: would say, yeah, you know, I understand the rationale for 160 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: Mike Bloomberg. I understand why people might think he's a 161 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: credible candidate, and by the way he spend a lot 162 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: of money on democratic causes during the elections, Like remember, 163 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: he funded the big independent campaign that was the anti 164 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: gun campaign, and he's trying to leverage some of that 165 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: now to give himself credibility with democratic activists. But I 166 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: tend to think that all of his money would be 167 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: more of a factor in a general election than in 168 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: a primary election. A primary election is really about who's 169 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: got the heat, who's got the ideas, who's appealing to 170 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: the base, And that's just not Michael Bloomberg, Hey, do 171 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: you feel like Nancy Pelosi one last week in the 172 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: way that the mainstream media is portraying it. I think 173 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: she won the fight. Whether she won the battle as 174 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: a separate question, you know, obviously we get, you know, 175 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: those of us who were junkies who follow this the 176 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: tactics of it. She won that particular tactical battle because 177 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: she got Trump to to back down, you know, from 178 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: his immediate set of demands. The issue now, though, is 179 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: that we have a three week period beginning actually I 180 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: think today where Verse is going to have an intense 181 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: discussion about immigration policy, and I have a very difficult 182 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: time believing that Democrats are going to be able to 183 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: get away from this process without supporting some kind of 184 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: physical barrier as part of a border security package. So 185 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: it may still be the case that Donald Trump wins 186 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: in the long run. But yeah, we're talking about the 187 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: individual shutdown battle that we just went through. I do 188 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: think Nancy Pelosi won that round. Lonnie Chen of the 189 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: Hoover Institution Stanford Universities on the line, Lonnie, We've got 190 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: barely thirty seconds. But um, you two are so obsessed 191 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: with the presidency you want a king apparently me I'm 192 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: all about the legislature. Uh. We heard the last time 193 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: around that the electoral map was really good for Republicans 194 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: in the Senate, and sure enough, they held onto the 195 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: Senate even as they got their butts kicked in the House. 196 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: How's the electoral map look for the Senate? In it's 197 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: a little more treacherous for Republicans, but the fact that 198 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: they did so well on the Senate means that that 199 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: they can afford to lose a few more seats in 200 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,239 Speaker 1: and still hold the majority. If I'd have predicted today, 201 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: Republicans pulled onto a bare majority in the Senate, So 202 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: it's a little more even Stephen, but not great for Republicans, okay, 203 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: in terms of who's up and which way they're their 204 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: states have gone recent elections, that sort of thing. Lonnie 205 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Chen of the Hoover Institution and Stanford University, Lonnie, it's 206 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: always enlightening. Thanks a bunch of the time. Have a 207 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: good morning. Thanks you too. Man. I'd like to take 208 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: that class he's teaching. Oh, but that's damn interest you kidding. 209 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: I'd love that. Yeah, I love I want to go 210 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: back to school. But I think it makes me crazy. 211 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: I like he's still not doing the homework. I like 212 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: his survey of Stanford millennials might not be representative of 213 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: the whole country. As you talk about a unique group, 214 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: it's twenty year old Stanford students. I wanted to say 215 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: to them. I didn't, but I wanted to say to him, Lonnie, 216 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: tomorrow going to class and tell him, nobody cares what 217 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: you think. Quiet. Uh what he said there about the 218 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: Nancy That's what I thought last week as I was 219 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: looking at all the headlines and all the roundtables about 220 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi owning Trump and went in the battle what 221 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: what what? Since? What's gonna happen in three weeks? That's 222 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: belt Way punditry. The Democrats now own open borders unless 223 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: they capitulate, they compromise, and they throw up some evil, immoral, 224 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: racist fences. Come on, they're not in a great position, 225 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: especially if you look at polling on the topic. So yeah, 226 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: we'll see, you know. That's the way. That's the difference 227 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: between the way the Beltway looks at the world and 228 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: politics and the way normal people look at it. I 229 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: was thinking of pitching Chaltz and Bloomberg as billionaires as 230 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: much as businessmen. The businessmen, the successful businessmen have looked 231 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: at your plan and say it doesn't work at all. Kamala, 232 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: it makes no financial sense. You're boring me. The billionaires 233 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: are against me, the people are with me. I want 234 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: free stuff. You're listening to the Armstrong and Getty Show.