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Speaker 1: rematch against the Rams. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: Zach Kershman joins me, what do the Cardinals need to

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Speaker 1: do and maybe need to do better to earn a

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Speaker 1: split in the season series against the Rams. The good

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Speaker 1: news the Cardinals will have four players, four key players

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Speaker 1: Plus we head into enemy territory. Jordan rod Rig, she

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Speaker 1: covers the Rams for the Athletic, joins the show. It's

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, episode seven oh three, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Boo to Baker, what Heart?

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Speaker 4: What rent?

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Speaker 1: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: It can so more Urry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Griolud.

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Speaker 1: Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving and now a happy

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Speaker 1: Black Friday? Is that something you participated in?

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Speaker 2: Zech?

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Speaker 3: I mean normally I would say yes. Here, I mean

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Speaker 3: the Black Friday spent at the Dignity Hell Training Center.

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Speaker 3: That I mean, I guess, I guess we're celebrating it right, correct.

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Speaker 3: It is a work black uniforms as well, So the

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Speaker 3: Black Friday theme is just it's gonna extend throughout.

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Speaker 1: The tie to tie. And don't forget about Cyber Monday,

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Speaker 1: which apparently is a thing too.

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Speaker 3: Cyber Monday is a thing. I mean that probably is

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Speaker 3: I mean, my parents flew in from Philadelphia with my sister.

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Speaker 3: So my apartment's right by the Fashion Square in Scottsdale,

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Speaker 3: So I think my parents and family are definitely going

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Speaker 3: to be celebrating this Black Friday while we're here working.

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Speaker 3: By the way, just as an aside, Black Friday is

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Speaker 3: now no different than Cyber Sunday, based amound the number

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Speaker 3: of emails that I've received in my inbox. As far

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Speaker 1: You don't need to go anywhere. You can just all

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Speaker 3: The game has changed, especially with Amazon being what Amazon is.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't have to go grocery shopping. You

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Speaker 3: done from your phone. Now it's not Jonathan Gannon's iPhone

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Speaker 1: So well, let's hope that in addition to Cyber Monday,

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Speaker 1: it's also a victory Monday for the Cardinals. As on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: Week twelve, the Cardinals hosts the Rams two of five

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Speaker 1: kickoff nine thirty Pregame coverage begins on the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Radio Network. A little bit later on, as we do

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Speaker 1: each and every football Friday here on Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, will

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Speaker 1: go more in depth on the Rams. Jordan rod Rieg

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Speaker 1: covers the Rams for the athletics. She's been doing it

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Speaker 1: for a number of years now, does a very good job.

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Speaker 1: But this is the second meeting against the Rams week six, which,

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Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown against the Cardinals. So maybe it's

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Speaker 1: just a Cardinals thing here. As we speak with Jordan

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Speaker 1: rodrig covers the Rams for the Athletic Cardinals and Rams

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Speaker 1: coming up on Sunday. It is week twelve in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and let's kind of switch it up. The difference between

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Speaker 1: this week's game, Jordan and the last time these two

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Speaker 1: teams played is Kyler Murray. How does his presence you

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Speaker 1: think affect what the Rams try to do?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Rams, I think at some point we're kind

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Speaker 4: of eyeing this point on the calendar as a possible

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Speaker 4: return for Kyler Murray. He's obviously such an X factor,

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Speaker 4: just having to be accountable and aware of where he

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Speaker 4: is on the field at all times and what he's

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Speaker 4: able to do. And just from me looking from the outside,

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Speaker 4: he looks like Kyler Murray, right, So you're preparing for

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Speaker 4: this guy who can really hurt you in the air

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Speaker 4: and on the ground. This is a problem that the

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Speaker 4: Rams defense has had, a really young and inexperienced group

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Speaker 4: that I think has put together a lot better tape

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Speaker 4: than many expected when they first enter this season. When

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Speaker 4: you look at this roster on paper, area where they're

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Speaker 4: still really struggling struggling is they're not consistently pressuring the

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Speaker 4: quarterback with an even pressure where you're not just getting

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Speaker 4: the initial push, but you're also containing around the cup,

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Speaker 4: you know, making sure that quarterback can't have anywhere to move.

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Speaker 4: They've really been gashed with quarterbacks who can move. They've

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Speaker 4: been gashed on long down, second and long, third and

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Speaker 4: long when, like I said, that initial pressure gets there,

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Speaker 4: usually Aaron Donald is a factor in that the initial

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Speaker 4: push gets there, and then they're having difficulty shedding the

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Speaker 4: blocks and then containing around the edges when that quarterback

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Speaker 4: does flush and take off. They've they've really had some issues.

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Speaker 4: So what they've actually done there is started to expand

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Speaker 4: some of their nickel and dime packages to have more

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Speaker 4: cover players on the field who can drop in just

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Speaker 4: in case that quarterback is trying to find those lanes,

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Speaker 4: so that they can take away those lanes. So it's

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Speaker 4: really interesting the way that they're manufacturing help for a

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Speaker 4: unit that just doesn't have the guys right now, because

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Speaker 4: they're in that sort of half overhaul of their roster,

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Speaker 4: and that's going to be I think an X factor

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Speaker 4: this game is can they take away Kyler Murray's ability

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Speaker 4: to create out of structure.

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Speaker 1: You brought up Aaron Donald and by the way, great

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Speaker 1: read on The Athletic about Donald by Jordan How the

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Speaker 1: Rams Aaron Donald's relentless creativity begins in practice. Donald has

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Speaker 1: always given Kyler Murray fits. He's given a lot of teams,

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Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks fits. But is there. I know

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Speaker 1: he's having a solid season, maybe not an Aaron Donald

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Speaker 1: typical type season, but where have you seen him as

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Speaker 1: far as his effectiveness this season?

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Speaker 4: Well, there was one play last week that I think

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Speaker 4: probably the Cardinals circled on their film study this week

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Speaker 4: in terms of, oh, yeah, that guy can still be

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Speaker 4: Aaron Donald. And it was a chase down by Aaron

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Speaker 4: on a running back who was moving out trying to

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Speaker 4: get some outside space on a stretch run. Well, Aaron

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Speaker 4: Donald chased down from the opposite side of the field,

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Speaker 4: chased down the running back, the Seattle back, all the

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Speaker 4: way through that stretch run, and pushed him out of bounds.

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Speaker 4: And when you see the Aaron Donald can still move

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Speaker 4: like that, you are definitely aware, if you're Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 4: of what he is still able to do even at

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Speaker 4: thirty two years old. I think Aaron likes playing Kyler

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Speaker 4: Murray in part because Kyler is such a creative player.

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Speaker 4: He can play out of structure, and Aaron likes going

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Speaker 4: out of structure. He likes creating on the fly. So

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Speaker 4: I always love watching this matchup and it's definitely one

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Speaker 4: that it will be crucial for the Rams to make

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Speaker 4: sure that they can try to contain him. But also

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Speaker 4: I can imagine they're still circling Aaron Donald on that

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Speaker 4: sheet like they always do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sixteen sacks, twenty six tackles for loss in nineteen

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Speaker 1: career games against the Cardinals. That's what Aaron Donald has

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Speaker 1: done in his career. Last question for you, we mentioned

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's return of the difference between this week's game

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Speaker 1: and week six. Also, James Connor missed that first meeting

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Speaker 1: as well. In the Rams are coming off one of

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Speaker 1: their better efforts against the run against the Seahawks. But

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Speaker 1: now you've got Kyler and Connor in the backfield together.

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Speaker 1: How do you think that meshes or affects things for

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Speaker 1: the defense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's again a really good test for

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Speaker 4: a very young group because it's not just about their

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Speaker 4: ability to be stout up front against the run, which

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Speaker 4: they've they've developed a little bit more. They got Bobby

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Speaker 4: brown Back their nose tackle off with injured reserve. He's

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Speaker 4: their biggest player on that defensive line, So it always

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Speaker 4: helps when you have a large human on the defensive line,

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Speaker 4: and Kobe Turner has definitely developed into a player who

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Speaker 4: I think is going to be a long time starter

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Speaker 4: for this team. But it's the discipline, right, It's the

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Speaker 4: outside edges, it's reading the situation, it's not getting dirty

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Speaker 4: eyes on the play fakes, those types of things. This

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Speaker 4: is still a really young group and so that's what

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Speaker 4: I'm more so looking for, not necessarily the physicality. We've

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Speaker 4: seen this Rams team. They play with heart, they play

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Speaker 4: really competitively. They've surprised some teams throughout the course of

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Speaker 4: this season because again of what their defenses look like

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Speaker 4: on paper. It's again it's the discipline. It's the not

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Speaker 4: getting carried away by a quarterback who can work out

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Speaker 4: of structure, who can create, and also staying discipline with

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Speaker 4: their eyes on the run.

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Speaker 1: Game Cardinals hosts the Rams on Sunday two o five

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Speaker 1: is the kickoff from State Farm Stadium. Pregame coverage begins

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Speaker 1: at nine to thirty am on the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network.

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Speaker 1: Jordan good Stuff As always, I invite everyone to go

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Speaker 1: to the Athletic to read jordan stuff on the Rams.

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Speaker 1: She covers it very very well, probably better than anyone

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Speaker 1: else who covers the Rams. Look forward to seeing you

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Speaker 1: on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Craig. I look for to seeing you too, man.

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Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure, always good to catch up with Jordan.

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Speaker 1: You can catch her stuff on the Athletic and again

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Speaker 1: she does a great job covering the Rams. As we

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Speaker 1: kind of focus now our attention on the Cardinals end

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Speaker 1: of things here, Welcome Back Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, and specifically, as we

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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Zach Kyler Murray missed that first meeting in

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Speaker 1: week six, and this is not a matchup in which

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is always I wouldn't say embrace, but the

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Speaker 1: numbers don't look good. Overall, the record does not look good.

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Speaker 1: He's one and six against the Rams, one to seven

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Speaker 1: if you include the postseason seven touchdowns, six interceptions. He's

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Speaker 1: been sacked twenty times. And as Jordan and I discussed

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Speaker 1: when we had her on, it's that matchup against Aaron

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Speaker 1: Donald and ninety nine and how much he can wreck

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Speaker 1: an offense regardless of who the quarterback is, but more

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Speaker 1: so with Kyler as QB one, that's a matchup to

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Speaker 1: really pay attention to. Can the interior of the offensive

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Speaker 1: line keep ninety nine out of the backfield as.

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Speaker 3: Much as he is keeping him out of the backfield.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Donald is a specimen that's unlike any other because

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Speaker 3: he could get around the offensive line and then scramble

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Speaker 3: with Kyler Murray and try taking him down, you know,

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Speaker 3: ten to fifteen yards away from the pocket, because he

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Speaker 3: has that speed that you are not supposed to see

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Speaker 3: from an interior defensive lineman. But he's got it. And

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Speaker 3: while the record has not been when K one has

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Speaker 3: wanted it to be, everybody has said that the passes

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Speaker 3: in the past, and although although the record has not

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Speaker 3: been good, Kylers want to know at home the season.

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Speaker 3: That's the way I want to look at it, to

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Speaker 3: look at light at the end of the tunnel. He's

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Speaker 3: want to know at home this home this season and

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Speaker 3: in previous seasons playing at State Farm Stadium has not

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Speaker 3: resulted too well for the Arizona Cardinals. This year, you

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Speaker 3: have two wins at home. You're looking to get a third.

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Speaker 3: It's to be your divisional opponents coming into town that

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Speaker 3: is gonna be big and your next next time you

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Speaker 3: play all your divisional opponents, they're all gonna be at home,

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Speaker 3: so you want to get the ball rolling early. The

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Speaker 3: Cardinals have not been able to beat the Rams at

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Speaker 3: home since twenty seventeen, so it's gonna definitely take a

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Speaker 3: lot that they're gonna need to put out there, but

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Speaker 3: a trust k one I do too.

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Speaker 1: And you hope now that what we saw in Houston

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Speaker 1: was more of an anomaly and we see that upward

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Speaker 1: positivity or the production positive in production as far as

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Speaker 1: you know, seeing that linear from game one to game eight,

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Speaker 1: And it's easy to see that, or it's easy to

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Speaker 1: say that, but it's just not realistic. There are gonna

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Speaker 1: be peaks and valleys. You just hope that the valleys

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Speaker 1: aren't large vale valleys. It wasn't that it was a

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Speaker 1: bad performance last week from Kyler. It was just some

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Speaker 1: of the throws didn't look good. The one to Trey

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Speaker 1: McBride certainly comes to mind. And sometimes that ball did

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Speaker 1: not come out of his hand looking like it should look.

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Speaker 1: So how does Kyler respond? And you mentioned it respond

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Speaker 1: at home against a division opponent the next well, these

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Speaker 1: final three home games all against division opponents just a

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Speaker 1: weird quirk and the schedule that you face your first

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Speaker 1: or have the first three division games on the road

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Speaker 1: and your last three at home. But I'm looking for

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Speaker 1: a bounce back game out of Kyler Murray because as

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Speaker 1: Kyler goes.

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Speaker 3: So it goes the offense, so goes to offense. And

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Speaker 3: I think I still think back to what Johnathon Gann

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Speaker 3: has said earlier this week about how Kwan watched the tape,

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Speaker 3: called him, called Drew Petson, called them right back. Jonathan

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Speaker 3: Gann was just trying to get into his house and

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Speaker 3: said he was stuck at the gate and couldn't even

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Speaker 3: get in to see that sense of hunger and anger

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Speaker 3: and how unsatisfied he was with that performance because he

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Speaker 3: he didn't have a terrible game, it just was not

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Speaker 3: himself to.

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Speaker 1: So because of that, I truly.

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Speaker 3: Believe that this could be the turnaround game. And with

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Speaker 3: the divisional opponents coming up, they've played all of them

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Speaker 3: this season, but none of them have played Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: And although they have played him, in the past. This

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Speaker 3: seems to be a k one that really wants to

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Speaker 3: get out there, wants to prove everybody wrong, wants to

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Speaker 3: prove all the doubt is wrong, and this is the

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Speaker 3: game just started.

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Speaker 1: All off again. Going back to that game in Houston,

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Speaker 1: Murray's numbers weren't outstanding, but they weren't bad either. Two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fourteen passing yards, a touchdown and interception, fifty

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Speaker 1: one rushing yards a touchdown. I think we've now seen

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Speaker 1: through two games act that there are no issues with

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray being able to scramble, to run, to do

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Speaker 1: whatever he needs to do to buy time in the

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Speaker 1: pocket or to scramble for a first down or a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: That knee is not an issue. Now, it's okay, can

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Speaker 1: you throw the ball? Do you have receivers that can

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Speaker 1: catch the ball. Now you want to see that pocket

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Speaker 1: presence and being a pocket quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I did like how there were moments hit. It's gonna

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Speaker 3: be different with Aaron Donald, but I like thought there

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Speaker 3: were moments where Kyler did stay in the pocket and

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Speaker 3: threw the ball literally at the last possible second before

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Speaker 3: he got hit. He embraced a couple of hits and

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Speaker 3: because of that it's going. It might not have happened

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Speaker 3: in the previous couple games, at least off the top

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Speaker 3: of my head, but with the way that NFL officials

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Speaker 3: are calling the game, a few of those are gonna

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Speaker 3: be called roughing the passer. It's inevitable with the way

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Speaker 3: that the game is going. If Kyler Murray stays in

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Speaker 3: the pocket, he is going to embrace some of those

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Speaker 3: hits and the flags are going to be thrown. Then

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Speaker 3: the knee is not the problem in terms of running

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Speaker 3: out the pocket, but we talked about it on Monday's

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Speaker 3: cover too. It's the whole motion of the body and

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Speaker 3: when you're throwing. There was not that zip on the

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Speaker 3: ball that we have seen, and a large part of

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Speaker 3: it is because of the pressure you are putting on

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Speaker 3: the knee to move your whole body, to thrust your

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be a little bit different. Hard going to

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Speaker 3: be a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals X and Rams again on Sunday two oh five,

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Speaker 1: is the kickoff and you talk about quarterback of the offense, Well,

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Speaker 1: how about the quarterback of the defense. Guys, you're white again.

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Speaker 1: Not available this week. He's on ir with a biceps injury.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if that is truly season ending. But now

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Speaker 1: you've got a different quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Though.

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Speaker 1: The good news is as Josh Woods has done it before,

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Speaker 1: did it for much of the game last week, did

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Speaker 1: it in training camp, did it in preseason. But it

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Speaker 1: does open up the door for now Chris Barnes to

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Speaker 1: have a little bit more active of a role, more snaps.

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Speaker 1: He did have the interception against the Texans, twenty two

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Speaker 1: defensive snaps. My guess is at number almost triples coming

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Speaker 1: up on Sunday. And you had a chance to speak

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Speaker 1: with him this week on Easycardinals dot Com. Great story

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Speaker 1: about the opportunity. Now Barnes has to be more of

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Speaker 1: a defensive presence this season.

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Speaker 3: He definitely doesn't it. When I was talking with him

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Speaker 3: about the interception, he just kept crediting everybody else. Shout

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Speaker 3: out Ham for tipping the pass, Shout out the defensive

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Speaker 3: line for getting towards CJ. Stroud and applying that pressure.

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Speaker 3: The fact that I always appreciate because he could have

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Speaker 3: been cocky about it. It was his first career interception

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Speaker 3: in four years in the NFL, but he was crediting

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Speaker 3: everybody else for it, and I said to him, I go, Chris,

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Speaker 3: it was your first. Does it feel good for you personally?

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Speaker 3: And it was all just about getting that opportunity and

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Speaker 3: getting out there, all of them. If Josh Woods were

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Speaker 3: to God forbid go down, Chris Barnes would step up.

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Speaker 3: And he's fully confident that because Nick Rowlis, having been

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Speaker 3: a linebackers coach in Philadelphia, has his way with the defense,

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Speaker 3: and they've all practiced the Will linebacker, the Sam linebacker,

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Speaker 3: the Mike linebacker, They've practiced at all these positions, all

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Speaker 3: these different positions. So whoever it is is going to

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Speaker 3: be able to jump in and step up. That's why

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Speaker 3: Josh Woods, he played multiple games during the preseason as

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Speaker 3: the green dot as the quarterback of the defense, calling

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Speaker 3: those plays out there. He was still like, being in

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Speaker 3: a regular season game is gonna be a lot different

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Speaker 3: than than a lot different than a preseason game. But

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Speaker 3: whoever it is back there, they're going to be making

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Speaker 3: an impact.

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Speaker 1: And that Woods Barnes pairing is a competition that goes

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Speaker 1: all the way back to training camp because Kaiser White

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Speaker 1: was one of the few players in the offseason giving

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Speaker 1: a multi year deal. He came in knowing this defense,

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Speaker 1: so a lot of eyes were going to be on

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Speaker 1: him to help everyone else know and what to expect

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Speaker 1: within that defense. And now, okay, who is going to

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Speaker 1: be the guy next to Kaiser White? And now that

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Speaker 1: battle which always competition breeds out the best in everyone,

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't personal. I mean, just reading your article

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Speaker 1: on Easycardinals dot Com, it seems like there was genuine

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Speaker 1: friendship between all three of them and that's okay, We'll

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Speaker 1: do what we need to do and leave it in

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Speaker 1: the hands of the coaches to make the decision exactly.

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Speaker 3: And that's something that Joshua's appreciated, was the fact that

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Speaker 3: a friendship was built from this. I mean, competition brings

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Speaker 3: out the best in everybody, and because of that, they've

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Speaker 3: been able to build a close bond. And I think

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Speaker 3: that that will help when you go out there playing

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Speaker 3: on the field and they're going to side by side

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Speaker 3: with one another. It's also you don't want to let

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Speaker 3: your friend down. You don't want to let your buddy

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Speaker 3: down in josh Woods spoke on Monday and he said,

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Speaker 3: when Chris Barnes had that interception, he came over to

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Speaker 3: the sidelines and said I'm living And I asked Chris

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Speaker 3: about that, and Chris was like, I can't believe he

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Speaker 3: said that, because that's like an inside joke that he

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Speaker 3: and I have. And Josh was sitting next to him,

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Speaker 3: their lockermates as well in the locker room here at

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Speaker 3: the Dignity Hell Training Center, and Josh had a smile

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Speaker 3: on his face. They were so complimentary of one another.

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Speaker 3: And that competition, although it was close, John Deganne said

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Speaker 3: on Friday, there were a ton of training camp competitions

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Speaker 3: that were close. That was one of those ones where

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Speaker 3: it truly brings out the best in everybody. Chris Barnes

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Speaker 3: has missed a few games this season. He has not

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Speaker 3: had as many snaps, so it's going to be an adjustment.

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Speaker 3: As you mentioned, Craig potentially doubling tripling the amount of

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Speaker 3: snaps that he had. But I'm sure with Josh Woods

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Speaker 3: by him side, they'll be able to compliment each other

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Speaker 3: nicely out there.

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Speaker 1: Can the Cardinals split the season series with the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Can the Cardinals went back to back home games for

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Speaker 1: the first time since twenty twenty one. Those are the

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Speaker 1: questions that will be answered on Sunday. Cardinals and Rams

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Speaker 1: two o five is the kick off? Anything else, Zach?

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Speaker 1: Do we miss anything with this week twelve matchup?

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Speaker 3: No, we got the we got the discount deals talked

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Speaker 3: about in the beginning, we got the quarterbacks on both

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Speaker 3: sides of the ball talked about. So I'm excited for

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Speaker 3: this one. If you could get out to State Farm Stadium.

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Speaker 3: What better way to celebrate the holiday weekend than the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: on Sunday and then we're back at it on Monday

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Speaker 1: producer Cody Fincher for Zach Gershman again beginning of the

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Speaker 1: week was Zach ending the.

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Speaker 2: Week with Zach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, We'll see what next week brings.

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