1 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast from the Action Network. 2 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Iam Chad Nolman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network, 3 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: a very special podcast today. Later on in the show, 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: We're gonna bring in Danny Parkins, co host of McNeil 5 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: and Parkins, The Afternoon Show in Chicago on six seventy 6 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: to score. He was also a co host of You 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Better You Bet, of betting focused show on Radio dot Com, 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: which I appeared on during the NFL postseason. More importantly, 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: Danny is doing one of the best things anyone with 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: a platform can do, raising money on his own for 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: victims of COVID, people who are out of work, people 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: struggling to feed themselves, their families recovering. Uh, it's ridiculously 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: easy what he's doing. We should all be taking part. 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: He also happens to be master Chicago sports fans. There 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: but first. This week, ESPN is launching its massive documentary 16 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: series about Michael My guest right now, right Thompson, ESPNS 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: Award winning Senior Writer. Seven years ago, you wrote a 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: story about Michael Jordan's turning fifty. It doesn't seem like 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: it was that long. It doesn't. You were my boss, 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: then you weren't the chief content officer of the Action Networks. 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: It's a long time ago. I was your boss then, 22 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 1: And here's how good I was at being your boss 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: and identifying stories back then. Your story came in late 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: in the closed cycle of a magazine, and we had 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: no idea when it was coming in. We had no 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: idea it was going to be a good So we 27 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: had budgeted two pages for the story, and we figured, 28 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: like if it came in like at the last second, 29 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: we tried to cobble together, you know, something that could 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: be sort of an excerpt of what was going to 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: run on ESPN dot com. The story came in I 32 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: think on like a Thursday of Friday, maybe maybe on 33 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: a on a Wednesday. We closed the magazine on a Friday, 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: and Rob King, who was my boss, sent me the 35 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: story and said you how to run this whole thing. 36 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: And I was like pissing and moaning, and I was irritated, 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't want to run this whole thing. 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: We got to find ten pages. It's not easy to 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: find ten pages in the magazine. And then I read 40 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: the story and I was like, funk, we gotta run 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: this whole thing. I love to do that to you. 42 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: That was That's the best part for me still is 43 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: sucking you over, like like, yeah, that's way better than 44 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: the accolades, etcetera. Yeah, well, that story ended up getting 45 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: nominated for a National Magazine Award. Yeah, and we were 46 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: all we all thought I was gonna win. So a 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: bunch of people came to a victory party and then 48 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: I lost and had to go to the victor. You 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: were there. That was hilarious. You lost, and I will 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: tell you that it was like it was like a 51 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: very sort of Algonquin type round table of superstar writers 52 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: of that era which continues to be this era. But 53 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: you were there. Chris Jones, who's won National Magazine Awards, 54 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: was there. I think Seth Wackersham was there. But there 55 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: was also like and I won't name him one do 56 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: she writer who was super precious and self important who 57 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: while we're all sort of going around toasting, we were 58 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: at p J. Clarks And it was a late, ugly night. 59 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: We were at p J Clarkson like fifty four and 60 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: third in Manhattan, and uh, this guy raises his glass 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: and toasts Gary Smith, right, who I loved and Gary 62 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: Smith is amazing, but like, really, we're gonna toast Gary Smith, 63 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: who works at a different magazine, who is a writer 64 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: who's twenty years older than all of us and has 65 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the event, if you want, like 66 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: real funny like. So the next night was the James 67 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: Beard Awards and my friend John Currents was thought he 68 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: was going to win the Cookbook Award, and so I 69 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: went with him that night to the dinner and I 70 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: was just like, you know, plus one, like I went 71 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: and started drinking early, and uh, his award went first. 72 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: He lost, and he thought he was gonna win. So 73 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: we were both losers. So we both really got into it. 74 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: And then I realized at some point that they were 75 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: going to give an award to Elis Saslow, who's my 76 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: could friend, you know, Ela and wrote for us for 77 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: a long time, and uh, he was gonna win an award, 78 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: and I knew that he wasn't there, so I texted 79 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: him and I'm like, Heyla, I'm gonna go get your award, 80 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: and he was laughing and was like, sure, go for it. 81 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: So there were people from the Washington Post there. They 82 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: called his name, you know, and they're getting ready to 83 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: go get it. But I was closer to the stage. 84 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: I went up Martha Stewart's there, you know, I get 85 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: Eli's metal and give a speech in which I say, 86 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's just really an honor to even be 87 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: nominated for the same award as the great John Currents 88 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: and waved at him in my table and we're ripped shit, like, yeah, 89 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: I know that happened. That was the next night. You've 90 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: never told me that story. And then I wore the 91 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: medal all over New York City. I go into we 92 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: went into grammar Cy Park Tavernoik, how are you doing, chef? 93 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: You know, I'm wearing at James Beard medal like I wanted, 94 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is classic. How did you get 95 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's too agree to do this story? I asked 96 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: him for a long time. I mean, I know that 97 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but like I started eighteen months before. I 98 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: remember sort of when I thought it got serious. It 99 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: was like a year before I before I sat down 100 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: with him. I was in Scotland with Tim Horgan doing 101 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: those videos for the when we used to broadcast the 102 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: Open Championship. So I was in a car on the 103 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: phone with Jordan's people and I did that call and 104 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: I hung up and I was like, well, that's that's 105 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: the end of that. That's never gonna happen. And then uh, 106 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: oh it worked out. Things work out because I don't 107 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: know if you remember this, but we were doing the 108 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: one Day one game issue uh and it was l 109 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: s U Alabama at l s U, and I had 110 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: a really good relationship with all of those people. So 111 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: I was sort of the point person for us with 112 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: l s U and was writing that story unless for 113 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: the issue less Miles and Jordan called and asked if 114 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: I could be in Charlotte that like that Saturday, and 115 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: I was like, I can't, Like I'm in Baton Rouge 116 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: and you know a lot of people are can't, like 117 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: I can't miss this, and so I said no, and 118 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: then I thought that was really it. So when they 119 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: came back around, I was surprised and excited and it 120 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: turned out to make this it made the story or 121 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: because it was just random luck that I was with 122 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: him the day after he moved away from Chicago. So 123 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: many of those things come from rushing back, right, Like, hey, 124 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: I totally remember the LSU Alabama One Day one game 125 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: because it's still the single greatest sporting event I've ever 126 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: been to. In fact, I'm recording this in my office 127 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: in West Hartford, and I can see the credential for 128 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: the l s U Alabama one Day one game hanging 129 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: on my wall. Number one, number two. The Jordan's Story, Like, 130 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: I can't wait for this documentary, and I've heard it's amazing. 131 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: I've heard like it's just rip roaring, awesome and full 132 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: of candy. And if you are someone who grew up 133 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: loving Jordans, and the thing about him was his competitiveness, right, 134 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: Like more than anything, what I loved about him was 135 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: his pure drive and like the way he balanced being 136 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: competitive with also seeming to be while he was playing 137 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: a lovable, handsome, adorable guy. And of course in the 138 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: story he seems miserable, like a really miserable dude. And 139 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: throughout his career after the after the NBA, he is 140 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: more and more seemed like a dude who was really 141 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: kind of bitter and full of rage. And that's what 142 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: you captured in the story, and that's not what he 143 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: was like when he was playing. It's interesting to the 144 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: degree to which that he has moved through the stages 145 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: of brief on all that. I mean, I went back 146 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: to see him a couple of years later for that 147 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: Tiger Wood story that you and I did, and you 148 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: could tell that like some stuff was getting put to 149 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: bed then, and you know, I imagine that. I feel 150 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: like the fact that this documentary exists is a step 151 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: on the way to self awareness and realization. Like I 152 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, he's a guy like any of us, 153 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: working out his stuff. The quote that really hit home 154 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: for me, and it's the second thing he says in 155 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: the story. I reread the story over the weekend. The 156 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: second thing he says in the story, it's especially a 157 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: resident now. He says, I always thought I'd die young. 158 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: This is on the eve of his fiftieth birthday, and 159 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: I immediately thought of Kobe, and I feel like in 160 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: this space since Kobe was killed in that helicopter crash, Kobe, 161 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: the way he was perceived during his career was nothing 162 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: like Jordan, Like he was perceived as sort of super 163 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: competitive but also kind of mean about it, whereas Jordan, 164 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: where was perceived as uper competitive. He was mean, but 165 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: outside of the core, he seemed like someone you know, 166 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: he would be like Mike, right, there was nobody who 167 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: was trying to be like Kobe. And after his career, 168 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: Kobe found a way to connect with people and become 169 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: warm and be real, and people started to appreciate his 170 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: approach to perfection in a way that Jordan was never 171 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 1: able to do. And that to me, all of a 172 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: sudden in Jordan's is giving the eulogy, and I think 173 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: that's what made sort of his eulogy and the moment 174 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: when he sort of helped Vanessa Briant off the stage 175 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: so much more poignant because it showed a side of 176 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: him that people had not been able to see for 177 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: twenty years. And also, I mean, there is an entire 178 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: or other sort of story to be done book ended 179 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: by speeches, you know, the Hall of Fame speech and 180 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: then his eulogy for Kobe, And if you just watch 181 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: those back to back, you can watch someone deal with 182 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: the cost of being themselves. Like that is a different 183 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: person on stage at the Staples Center than it was 184 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: at the Hall of Fame induction. I mean, like, it's 185 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: a really interesting thing when we get off the phone, 186 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: go watch those things back to back, because that's not 187 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: the same guy. Really interesting to watch those things consecutive. Well, 188 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting in the story you know, 189 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: you wrote about the speech and a lot of sort 190 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: of the bitterness and rage that people took away from 191 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: that speech. The people closest to him, I didn't think 192 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: that's who he was at all. Like they thought, Oh, 193 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: that's just Michael, sort of in a caustic Michael way, 194 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: talking about his career. Well, the problem is that he, Michael, 195 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: is one of the people who likes to dish it 196 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: but can take it. And so if every one of 197 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: those people he banged on in that speech had sort 198 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 1: of chirped back at him, he would have thought it 199 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: was funny. It just the cameras were only pointed at him, 200 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: and so, you know, it was interesting because it was 201 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: an unbelievably authentic moment, but because of the nature of it, 202 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: you were never allowed to see sort of what would 203 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: be happening if there wasn't a ballroom and a microphone 204 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: and a podium and a bunch of cameras. How did 205 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: you figure that out? When you were reporting this story? 206 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: Did you did he rip you? And did you ever 207 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: ripped him back? Yeah? Well it's interesting. No, I mean 208 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: we just sat around and watching watching sports, and he 209 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: was like we were just talking about sports like people 210 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: do I mean it was interesting like that. It quickly 211 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: sort of wore off that he was Michael Jordan's. You know, 212 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: I mean that happens, you've done it. Yeah, but it's 213 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. It's different. Yeah, but yeah, but you know 214 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: what I mean, it isn't It isn't. I mean it. 215 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: I was there with a notebook, I was there doing 216 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: a thing. It really you know, I mean I was 217 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: really focused. It's sort of the fact it was Michael Jordan's. 218 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: We're off very quickly, and the most resonant idea was 219 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: I cannot get back on this airplane having shipped the 220 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: bed on this It wouldn't matter to me because I 221 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: only have two pages to fill anyways. Yeah, that's fine, 222 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: wet wet. We could get a shirtless University of Miami receiver. 223 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: It could have filled both up them that way. That 224 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: was a classic Belsky move. But yeah, you're referring to 225 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: Garybowsky was my predecessor. This is what it stuck out 226 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: to me in that story. They are all things that 227 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: made him amazing when he played right, because they filled 228 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: that sort of competitive spirit. He would spit on cinnamon 229 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: rolls that his chef baked before anyone on his on 230 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: his team, like his retinue that supported him, could eat 231 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: them if they came out while he was shooting a commercial. 232 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: He would rip up and throw out clothes of his 233 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: friends if he saw them wearing anything that wasn't Niking. Like, 234 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: how are those two things? Okay? Where do those two 235 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: things confirm? Well? I mean it's like, one, I think 236 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: he thinks they're funny, and two I think that well, 237 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I mean I think they've probably come from 238 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: different places even though they feel like examples of the 239 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: same thing. I mean, the Nike thing is, don't you 240 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: know who pays for all of our salaries? And I 241 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: think the Cinnamon Roll thing is those guys just killed 242 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: each other constantly. But no, I mean it's he like 243 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: I wrote this in the story. It's true. He could 244 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: be a breathtaking asshole, you know, and I think some 245 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: of that is wearing off. I mean, you know, you 246 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: have to learn how you move through the world and 247 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: the effect you have on people, because sometimes there are 248 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: things that other people since that you don't. He's very 249 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: clearly a guy who is doing real work figuring out 250 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: what it means to have been Michael Jordan's because that 251 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, I think it totally makes sense, Like 252 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: you have to figure out who you are when what 253 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: you were it is over. Yeah, well, I mean it's 254 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: who are you now? You know, I've been reading a 255 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: lot of Mickey Mantel books during all of this. I 256 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: just went down to Mickey mantle rabbit hole. And you know, 257 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: Mickey Mantle thought he was gonna die young too, and 258 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: it affected so many of his choices and ultimately it 259 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: became a self fufilling prophecy. And what's interesting is that 260 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: you know there could have been a self fulfilling prophecy 261 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: about Michael that he has spent the last twenty years 262 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: turning on his on its head. And that's interesting too. 263 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: I mean, the Christ Jordan is huge for him in 264 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: what way I mean, and that it softens him in 265 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: a way that he needed to be softd I wrote 266 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: about this in the story. But the reason people were 267 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: so piste off at the Hall of Fame speech, I 268 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: think is that they wanted a nostalgic Jordan. That's why 269 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: you wait five years before you can be inducted into 270 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 1: the Hall of Names, so that the person you used 271 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: to be is over and now you're contemplating the future 272 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 1: in the past, and and you have some understanding of 273 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: what this experience meant. And standing on that podium at 274 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, his experience wasn't over yet. He 275 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: wasn't done being Michael Jordan's. And I feel like the 276 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: crying Jordans memes is a softening thing in a way, 277 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Do you know what story and 278 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: anecdote I was really excited to reread that I had 279 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: sort of forgotten about. And then when I was getting 280 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: into it, him looking for his rings. Tell people the 281 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: process of that and unpack it because I think there's 282 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: like three layers of things there. Well, I mean, he 283 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: was moving out of his house in Chicago, so he's 284 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: packing up his memories. He has a safe with his 285 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: rings in it. First of all, he couldn't remember the 286 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: combination to the safe, so, uh, he's sitting there with 287 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: some people work for him, trying to guess, you know, 288 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: combinations of his numbers. Is it? Is it? You know 289 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: what I mean, like, like, what is my combination? He 290 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: finally gets it open and there's a ring missing, So 291 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: he tears the whole house apart and they finally find it, 292 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: and you know, going through his stuff, he finds a 293 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: letter that he had sent his parents when he was 294 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: in college and which he asked him to send him stamps, 295 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: and that really sort of hit him because it's been 296 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: a long time since he needed a stamp, much less 297 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: needed someone to pay for one. And I think it 298 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: was just a reminder that you know that Mike Wilmington, 299 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: that Mike Jordan from Wilming to North Carolina is dead 300 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan killed. So you know what I remember 301 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: about that story that he's still so freaking clutch because 302 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: he he had ten chances to get in that termination, right, 303 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: and he got it on the ninth or tenth one, 304 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: and maybe the tenth one he got on the tenth one. Look, 305 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: you can't, man, you can't teach that. I mean, he's 306 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: not gonna he's not gonna let Steve Kurt enter that combination. 307 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: He's not He's not going to give that combination to 308 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: like someone else for chance, like Scottie Pifford, get the 309 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: funk away from my safe. What are you doing? But 310 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: that's also like he also had a quote in there 311 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: that I thought was amazing, and this is where he 312 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: never would have thought about this. I think when he 313 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: was thirty years old and going through sort of his 314 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: title run, which is that uh winning like at that 315 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: level that's a special power, and trying to get it 316 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: back after playing and that like if he could then 317 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: he could breathe again. Like that's how much of a 318 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: part that competitiveness and that need to be better than 319 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: anybody else was within him. Well, and it's still there. 320 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean he's really good at at saduco he you know, 321 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: he's really good at that iPad game Bejeweled. I mean 322 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: you don't turn it off. You just fund less and 323 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: less culturally important venues with which to display it, right, 324 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: I mean he's still the same guy on some level. 325 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: And that's interesting. You and I are both gonna be 326 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: terrible retired people. We think we're gonna be awesome at it, 327 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: but we're actually going to be terrible at it. I 328 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: mean it's interesting to think about. Well, quarantine is a 329 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: little bit of a challenge, right because it's different for you. 330 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you work at home and so but 331 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: you can't go out, you can't report your stories like 332 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: I used to going somewhere every day. And this is 333 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: like a very weird thing because there are days where 334 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: I go to my opposite say eight thirty nine o'clock 335 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: in the morning, and I'm not coming down until say 336 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: five or six, and my Stacy, who you know well, 337 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: will be like, what are you doing up there? I'm like, 338 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: I don't know. I was on calls. I tried to create. 339 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: I haven't post it next to my computer that just 340 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: says create, but like, I don't know what I'm doing 341 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: every day. That's funny. I have a post it next 342 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: to my computer that says say no to conferences, like 343 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: it's hard. Basically my thing is if you're not paying, 344 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going because Sony is gonna kill me if 345 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: I take another trip that is absolutely required to report 346 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: a store. And yet somehow you continue to find trips 347 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: that are not required. All I know, I know, like 348 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: I really trying to be better at it. That's going great, 349 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, I thought, I thought one of the most 350 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: interesting things get in. Jordan's as a gambler was a 351 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: touchstone topic for people throughout his career, right and there 352 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: was that rumor forever that he actually left the NBA 353 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: because he was knee deep and gambling dead or whatever 354 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: it was, and Stone kicked him out because of his 355 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: gambling habits, and he'd be in Atlantic City before big 356 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: games and things like that, right, and Phil Jackson gave 357 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: him a gambling book. Like when Jackson was a coach, 358 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: he famously gave everybody books. Phil Jackson gave him a 359 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: gambling book. Did you talk to Jordan about what that 360 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: book was and any of that sort of habit that 361 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: he had. It's interesting. I mean, I don't think so, 362 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: because I think it would have been in the story. 363 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm trying to remember. It's funny because I 364 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: have the notes out because I'm going through them. Uh 365 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: as we try to figure out I've been assigned a 366 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: Jordan's story to come out during the run of this 367 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: dot and so I'm trying to figure out what to do. 368 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: And so I've just been reading brew stuff. So I'll 369 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: let you know when I finish. I sort of think 370 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: that I think the gambling is exactly like the Siduca 371 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: or the but Jeweled or you know. I just think 372 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: he needed something to do to occupy his mind, like 373 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: you have that much money. I mean, it's sort of 374 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: like Charles Barkley. You know, he's losing a bunch of money, 375 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: but he has a bunch of money. You know, it's interesting. 376 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: I have a friend who's in a rock and roll band, 377 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: and he was describing how hard it is when they 378 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: get off a tour that about nine thirty every night 379 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: is adrenaline spikes and then of course it crashes because 380 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: there's no outlet for it. And he's like, his body 381 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: is physiologically trained for the adelation. I mean, I was 382 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: at a concert at one time and the crowd was 383 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: going crazy, and I texted him and I'm like, hey, man, 384 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: I'm at the show. People are going nuts. What's it like. 385 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: I'll never forget Greg broke back. He's like, man, it's 386 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: like kissing God. He's like, it's you can't imagine what 387 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: it's like. And so, uh, I think it's hard for 388 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: people to understand how you replace the even like the 389 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: physiological response your body gets when you were Michael Jordan's right, 390 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't. I would love to see test results. 391 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: When I worked at the time pick You to New Orleans. 392 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: One of my favorite things that the sports editors did 393 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: was during a Sugar Bowl they hooked up heart monitors 394 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: to the mothers of the punt returners and it was crazy, 395 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: like it was exactly what you think it would be, 396 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: but just looking at the data was fascinating because they 397 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: spiked and so like, I don't know, I feel like 398 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 1: all of those things are related. If that makes sense. Well, 399 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: I feel like that's what I'm going to feel like 400 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: when I'm watching the documentary, because it's also gonna be good. Yeah, 401 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch every second of the thing. I'm Jack. 402 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: I am going to watch every second of this thing. 403 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make Owen also who you know, my younger son, 404 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna wake him watching every second of this thing. 405 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: Like all he does is play two K and all 406 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: he does is pretending to be the Bulls and sometimes 407 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: classic bulls, like he'll put together like Bill Cartwright, who 408 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: you had a great anecdote about called like Jordan ripping 409 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: Bill Cartwright and calling him medical Bill when he joined 410 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: the Bulls, like hell be Cartwright, Pippin Jordan's Bob Love 411 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: and Jerry Sloan, like like this is going to be 412 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: an event. I cannot wait for this thing. I'm gonna 413 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: watch every second of it, and like I like the 414 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: fact that it is. I want to get lost in it. 415 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: Like that's the thing I'm excited about is to remember 416 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: what that was. Like. I went back and listen to 417 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: that music, you know, the intro music, and I forgot 418 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: I was. I was on the phone with Tye Riley 419 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago when he was talking about 420 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: He's like, God, that damn music, and he was saying 421 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: that like the minute you heard it, you knew there 422 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: was about to be a war. Because I was just curious, 423 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: like what was it like to hear those first notes 424 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: and be like, oh shit, this is for real. Like 425 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: I can imagine an NBA rookie showing up at the 426 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: United Center standing there for the national anthem and they 427 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: play that music in that video on the big JumboTron 428 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: and it suddenly hits you like, oh okay, like you 429 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,239 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that's Michael Jordan's and he's 430 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: gonna cut my heart out. I think that one of 431 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: the things that's been forgotten about Michael is just that 432 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: like how good they really were. So it's gonna be 433 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: really cool for people who didn't experience that to get 434 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: to see it, and for people like us who maybe 435 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: don't remember, to go back and be like, oh, wow, 436 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: well that's your story. Go right about the Alan Parson's 437 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: project and the opening riff of that song I've already, 438 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: I've already, I've already emailed Alan Parson's Don't worry, I'm 439 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm casting a lode that. It's like when Seth Wittersham 440 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 1: wrote about we had the Champions and he went out 441 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: to England interviewed the guy from Queen who wrote the Sun. 442 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there was something funny that happened with that, 443 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: and now I don't remember. Well he was just for 444 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: one Oh that's right, and then he made his own guitars. 445 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: That was a really good story. We're talking about Seth Wickersham, 446 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: who uh uh is one of both Chad and his 447 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: dear friends, who writes for ESPN magazine and uh he 448 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: writes for ESPN. God, isn't that weird? Yeah that was 449 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: a little weird. Well, listen right, this this story was 450 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: written so long ago that at the end in your 451 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: little bio it listed your Twitter accounts, which I very 452 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: clearly remember you don't have anymore. Well that's because, uh, 453 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: I remember a phone call from you were like, did 454 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: you threaten to beat someone up on Twitter? And I 455 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: said yes, and you said why It didn't devolve from there, 456 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: So I am no longer on Twitter. No, but that 457 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: is fato. It was. I mean, I remember that very clearly. Yeah, 458 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: I remember that too. It just wasn't you know what, 459 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: It's not your medium. There's other ways for you to 460 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: express yourself. No, and I have a I have a temper, 461 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: and I also just like to poke the bear and 462 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: those are bad combinations on Twitter. All right, right, you 463 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: gotta go record another podcast. I gotta go to other work. 464 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it is, but I gotta figure 465 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: it out. Thank you so much for joining us. Everyone 466 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: should go read the story. It's so easy. You type 467 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: in write Thompson Michael Jordan's and this story comes up immediately, easily, 468 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: the seminal story about Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan at fifty. 469 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Thanks Jad, this was This is a pleasure. 470 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: Let's do this more often. I'll miss you. I miss 471 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: you to your buddy, I'll talk to you later. All right, 472 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: let's bring in Danny Parkins, co host of the McNeil 473 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: and Parkins Show, heard in the afternoons on six seventy 474 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: to Score in Chicago. For the record, Danny and I 475 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 1: originally tried to do this interview on video so there 476 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: is a lot of back and forth about daddy is 477 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: growing a ridiculously bad quarantine beer. But here we go. Man, 478 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: you have cleaned up for me? Yeah, I have. I 479 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: have cleaned up for you. I I decided to shower 480 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: for jad Milman, but I promise, uh, I will not 481 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: shave for anyone. My friends are like, why is your 482 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: wife allowing this to happen. I think she's just like 483 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: a little variety. Frankly, I think she's just like kind 484 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: of enjoying looking at a new man, even if it 485 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: had a lesser man. I've always wanted to see if 486 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: I actually am the least qualified person in America to 487 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: grow facial hair. It's horrifying, is the only word for it. 488 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: I sent a screenshot of it to my buddies and 489 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: they said that I have stray hairs on my face 490 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: that are practicing social distancing, and that was one of 491 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: the kinder comments. Well, listen, I feel like you have 492 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: the job I wish I knew I always wanted, which 493 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: was you get to live in our hometown of Chicago. 494 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: You host the afternoon Drive on six seventy score. You 495 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: were a co host of You Better You Bet on 496 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: Radio Dot com which I did during the NFL post season. 497 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: With you, all you have to do is talk about 498 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: Chicago sports, which normally is the ultimate gift. I feel 499 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: like I should be living your life fifteen years ago. 500 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: It's awesome, man, It's my dream job. It's all I've 501 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: ever really wanted to do. But like, I'm sure if 502 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: I found some homework from kindergarten and it's like, what 503 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: do you want to be when you grow up, the 504 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: answer would have been, you know, shooting guard for the bulls. 505 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: So like sticks one jewish, skinny white guy with scholighosis, 506 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: Like that wasn't going to happen. So, uh, this is 507 00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: the the only somewhat realistic dream job I ever ad. 508 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: And I'm literally living a dream, as corny as that is. 509 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, if I could like change anything, 510 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: maybe I born like twenty years earlier, so I could 511 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: have like the true heyday of radio pay. Uh. It's 512 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: still pretty damn good. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. 513 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: But I worked with Dan McNeil, who was like an 514 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: original member of the Score, and so when he tells 515 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: me the stories of the glory years and bonuses that 516 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: he paid for the entire show to go to Hawaii 517 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: and things like that. I'm like, that sounds really nice, 518 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: but now it's it's it's a dream job and I 519 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't change anything about it. If you were older like me, 520 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: you would have wanted to be the six one shooting 521 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: guard for the DePaul Blue Demons, which is what I 522 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: wanted to be. And one year I went to basketball 523 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: camp and it was like local. It was a camp 524 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin for basketball where it was run by the 525 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: high school coaches at Highland Park High School where I 526 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: went to high school. And we had an all star 527 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: game against the DePaul Blue Demon k app with Joey 528 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: Meyer and Ray Meyer. And at the game, I sunk 529 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: two free throws late in the game with the entire 530 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: crowd screening at me, and I ran back for defense 531 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: and I looked at my right and Ray Meyer and 532 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: Joey Meyer were just sitting there with their arms crossed, nodding, 533 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, I'm going to be the 534 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: three point shooter At De Paul. I was convinced those 535 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: memories are they are would shape us. I am told 536 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: that there was a time when college sports mattered in 537 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: Chicago and De Paul, You're heading that effort. I love 538 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: college sports, so I wish that was more of a thing. 539 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: I joke on the show that I take off the 540 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: Friday of every the opening Friday of every n C 541 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: Double A tournament, because Chicago doesn't deserve to have me 542 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: doing afternoons. Like if I was doing If I was 543 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: doing mornings, it wouldn't be a problem because I could 544 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: just do the show and then go to the bar 545 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: and start drinking Moscow mules at eleven AM when the 546 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: games start. But like I'm doing afternoons and giving score 547 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: updates to a city that, like, based on the ratings, 548 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: just doesn't really care about college sports. So that's like 549 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: the only thing about the Chicago sports landscape that I 550 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: don't love is that DePaul, Northwestern Illinois, like none of 551 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: them have been able to be consistently good enough for 552 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: long enough or recently enough to have any sort of 553 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: like rabid following here. Well, look, that's what made Loyola's 554 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: run so special, right, is like it brought the city 555 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: together and reminded people like of those glory days in 556 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: the seventies when De Paul and Loyola were really strong 557 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: college basketball programs and people were super excited to see it. 558 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: Local city team that's a commuter school that has kids 559 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: from Chicago that go they're actually making a run. It 560 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: was fantastic. That was great radio for you, It was 561 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: it was amazing and everything about it, I mean Porter 562 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: Mosier and Sister Jean and the upsets and like every 563 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: everything about it was was great and looked then like 564 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: a week after it was completely over and then the 565 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: next year they know showed and it went away. Like 566 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: so you're right. It shows that a story can still 567 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: captivate the city, but it's temporary. If Loyala went on 568 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: a ten year run like that would be incredible, Like 569 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: if they did what Greg Marshall and Wichita State was 570 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: able to do, right if they if like we got 571 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: a Gonsaga level program, which feels like should be possible 572 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: given the amount of talent that comes out of the city. So, um, 573 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: that's what's frustrating. I would absolutely love if my radio 574 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: audience cared about college basketball, but it just doesn't seem 575 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: like that's gonna be the case. So what would you 576 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: say is your current state of mind? Because I've been 577 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: loving your commentary generally and on Twitter. In the COVID 578 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: nineteen crisis. Oh man, how much time do you have? 579 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: What is my current state of mind? Well, I'll go 580 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: personal and then global. Personally, I am just very thankful 581 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: that I am healthy. Uh, my immediate circle is healthy, 582 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: and that we are economically stable with income and health insurance. 583 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: And I had my first child, my first son, in January, 584 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: and he came eight weeks early, and so he was 585 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: in the nick you for twenty seven days, and so 586 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: it's been amazing to be home with him for everything, 587 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: and he's doing well, but you know, he's a little baby. 588 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: He's you know, compromised for a while, and so like 589 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: we have to be very vigilant about making sure that 590 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't get any virus, much less this one that 591 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: we know so little about. Still, so in like my 592 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: my immediate circle, very thankful that me and my family 593 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: are healthy and economically stable on a global macro level. 594 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: I think it's um shown very clearly and very dangerously 595 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: the problem with us as a society not agreeing to 596 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: one set of facts and then disagreeing about what to 597 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: do with those facts. Like that's what our political system 598 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: and the economy and everything has been based on for forever, right, 599 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: Like we have a problem with drugs. Let's figure out 600 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: what to do with it. The War on Drugs happens, 601 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: failed policy. But everybody agreed that there was a problem 602 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: with drugs. Now what's happened is that no one agrees 603 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: on a set of facts anymore. So you can just 604 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: choose your own fact, and then there's an audience of 605 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: people that will go to that level of confirmation bias 606 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: to make themselves feel better about themselves. And it's just 607 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: it's really, really, really dangerous because bright Bart isn't the 608 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: same as the Washington Post, right, A Facebook needs mean 609 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: isn't the same as a epidomologist, right, Like so, and 610 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: that's that's the problem as I see it. And this 611 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: is just like it's not like this is the first 612 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: issue that has highlighted that problem. We've seen this for 613 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: years and years now in varying degrees, but like this 614 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: is the one that has life and death consequences, and 615 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: so it's it's pretty scary. And I don't know if 616 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: this if you wanted to get this deep, but like 617 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how we put this genie back in 618 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: the bottle, Like how do we solve the problem of 619 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: whole countries getting there? Like the Facebook is synonymous with 620 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: the Internet in plenty of countries. So if there's disinformation 621 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: there and that's the only information you have, then civil 622 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: war happens, which is like a thing that's happened in 623 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: some third world countries. Like I, I just don't know 624 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: how we go back to agreeing on a set of 625 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: facts and then disagreeing policy wise on what to do 626 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: with those facts. It seems to me right now like 627 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: an unsolvable problem. Well it is right now unsolvable. But 628 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: these things to me have always been cyclical, right like 629 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,959 Speaker 1: there are there are examples of stuff like this throughout 630 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: the history of time. Woodrow Wilson in nineteen sixteen, when 631 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: he was running for president, there had been attacks by 632 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: the German military within the United States for more than 633 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: a year before he would admit that there was a 634 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: secret service of German military that was working on these 635 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: kind of attacks. Because he was running for re election 636 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 1: and wanted to be the guy who kept us out 637 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: of war. So even while the New York Times is 638 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: trumpeting all of these attacks and these explosions that are 639 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: killing people, Woodrow Wilson is saying, Nope, there's nothing to 640 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: see here, nothing happening nothing happening, and it wasn't until 641 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: he was forced because of other political means in nineteen 642 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: seventeen to go to war. So it's like we see 643 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: these things over the course of history, and we think 644 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: every single one of these is something that can't be overcome. 645 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: And yet it's overcome because someone else becomes in charge, 646 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: because the conversation changes, because there is such a tilt 647 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: in terms of the conversation in from one side to 648 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: the other, than it naturally has to pull back. That's 649 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: my optimistic view. Yeah, I mean, or you can make 650 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: the argument that a hundred and three years later it's 651 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: just history repeating itself with a bunch of examples in 652 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: the middle. Um. Yeah, but I listen, I I appreciate 653 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: the historical context and and what you're what you're saying. Um, 654 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: there's certainly more means of information now, right, Like we 655 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: we know about like thought bubbles and how people only 656 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: get things that confirm their worldview based on like Google 657 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: tracking and who they follow on the Internet and all 658 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 1: those sort of things. So it seems like a tougher 659 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: problem to uh to solve in with technology and just 660 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: like with the willfulness representation of stuff. But Hopefully you're right, 661 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: like hope, hopefully there is a problem. There's a solution 662 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: to the problem that I am not seeing because there 663 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: are many, many, many people smarter than me who hopefully 664 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: will be involved it. You are doing something tremendously positive 665 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: and optimistic during this. Explain to people what you're doing 666 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: to raise money. Oh yeah, thanks. Um stole the idea 667 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: from Shay Serrano, who I've never met, never talked to, 668 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: never has responded to any of my tweets. But I'm 669 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: just a fan and the dude is pretty inspiring, and 670 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it for a while and figured 671 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: this is a pretty good opportunity to do it. I 672 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: looked at my Venmo account and I had like three 673 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: hundred and forty dollars or three four dollars whatever it 674 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: was that I hadn't done anything with her transfer to 675 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: my bank account, and I was like, that's an amount 676 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: of money that I can afford to donate right now. 677 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,959 Speaker 1: And so I said, Hey, if you have some money 678 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: to spare, people are going to need it. I'll find 679 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 1: the people who need it, spend it to my Venmo 680 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: Danny dash parkins, I'll donate this amount if you need it. 681 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: Shoot me a d M and I'll try to get 682 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: you some money. Tell me your story and I'll post 683 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: your Venmo. So hopefully once I make a donation of 684 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: whatever it is, fifty bucks, three hundred bucks, anywhere in between, 685 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: other people will pile on and see your story that 686 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: you sent me and we can kind of like crowdsource 687 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: this thing. And my Venmo weekly sending limit is three 688 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: thousand bucks and for four consecutive Mondays we've hit the 689 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: weekly limit in one day, so did twelve thousand bucks 690 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: so far since this pandemic has started. And next Monday, 691 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: I hope to do a three thousand more and just 692 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: as I said, I would do it until opening day 693 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: of Baseball. So if that is sustainable that people keep 694 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: sending me money, I'll keep sending it out. It's one 695 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: of the rare instances we're seeing of purposeful frustration on Twitter. 696 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: We're clearly like, everything you just talked about is something 697 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: you're feeling and trying to express, and you're using it 698 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: in a positive way in a space where there is 699 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: not often a plethora of positivity. Yeah, you know, I 700 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: I'm a millennial. I you know, I had Facebook my 701 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: freshman year of college. Right, And um, I am still 702 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: a believer in the internets and like the net pause 703 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: of of social media, or at least I want to 704 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: believe that, And so I'm trying to maybe like that's 705 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: like the hill I'm willing to die on as it 706 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: becomes tougher and tougher to make that argument because of 707 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 1: what I was talking about three or four minutes ago. 708 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: So I do still have some sort of like an 709 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,959 Speaker 1: idealistic view of what this can all be. On some level, 710 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: I guess the least I could do is do nothing, 711 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: but it's pretty close to the least I could do. 712 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: I I lay there with my newborn son, laying on 713 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: my jest, and I respond to people on Twitter and 714 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,959 Speaker 1: send them a small amount of money that other people 715 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: have sent me. I'm not it's not it's not some 716 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: sort of incredible accomplishment, but it makes me feel slightly 717 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: less miserable about what's happening in the world, and it 718 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: seems to be helping a lot of people. All right, 719 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: speaking of idealistic my last question for you, The Bulls 720 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: are getting new executive leadership, the Bears have a new quarterback. 721 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: The Cubs haven't really done anything. If you're a betting man, 722 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: which I know you are, which Chicago to team is 723 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: the next Chicago team to win a title. I think 724 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 1: the majority of my audience would say the White Sox 725 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: because they're just their window is just opening, like they 726 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: are hoping that this season is like akin to the 727 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: Cubs season where they arrived earlier than most and they 728 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: won nineties seven games and started their run of three 729 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 1: straight nlcs. Is most baseball rebuilds, Most rebuilds in sports 730 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: period don't end in a championship, and the White Sox 731 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: revenues like their their margin for error is just smaller 732 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: than the Cubs, who can like spend around some problems. 733 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: I still think this part money is against the White 734 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: Sox winning a championship. Though I love a lot of 735 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: the things that they're doing and they're gonna be really 736 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: fun and exciting for a long time. I think it's 737 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: the bear um frankly, because I really still believe in 738 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: Matt Neggie and I think that the foundation is in 739 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: place for this defense to be good for a few years, 740 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: and I know that that offense is just works and 741 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: can win a Super Bowl. We saw it this past 742 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: year with the Chiefs. We saw it a couple of 743 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: years ago with the Eagles, So all unique is mediocre 744 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: quarterback play with this defense to be a legitimate Super 745 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: Bowl contender, And I think that they'll be an a 746 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: defense for at leite another two or three years, assuming 747 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: some health to Khalil Mack. But Roquan Smith looks like 748 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: a star, Eddie Jackson looks like a star, Like even 749 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: after a Keen Hicks drops off, Like, I still think 750 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: the makings are there, the kind of there for a 751 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: really good efense, and I believe in the offensive system 752 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: and the coach, so I know it's a big just 753 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 1: but like, if they can just get above average quarterback play, 754 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: I think the Bears will be one of the toughest 755 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: outs in the league. So that puts their both dances 756 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: the next like two or three years, and I think 757 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: better than any Chicago teams win a championship. So I 758 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: will be cautiously optimistic and say the Bears that would 759 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: be better for Chicago than anything other than Loyola or 760 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: I trust me, I would take a Bear super Bowl 761 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: over ten straight Loyal the final fours um. While that 762 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: would be a lot of fun for the gambler and 763 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: me and the college brand and me. I will be 764 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: a college brand and gamble regardless that there is nothing 765 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: that makes Chicago happier and unifies the city more like 766 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: maybe like a Deep Dish pizza or a Chicago style 767 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: hot dog debate, but honestly like, there's nothing better for 768 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: this city than a great Bears team. So now I 769 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: will I will be rooting for the Bears to be 770 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: that next Super Bowl chair, for that next title holder 771 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: in the city. As a former hot dog vendor in 772 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: Holland Park, I can tell you I have many many 773 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: opinions about Deep Dish versus hot dogs. Will stay him 774 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: for next time? Yeah, it's listen, it's all good. Your 775 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: hair game, it's just your rocket, the salt and pepper rocket, 776 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: the scruff. You should be on television somewhere like they 777 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: put me on television. And I don't know what these 778 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: executives are thinking, but thank you. I appreciate you calling 779 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: than This has been the favorites from the Action Network. 780 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: Download from Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. 781 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: Until next time, I love you, h