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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Buck Brief.

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Speaker 1: Or In McIntyre in the Mix with us once again,

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Speaker 1: host of The Or McIntyre Show. He's over at the Blaze.

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Speaker 1: He's a very wise fellow and we appreciate him making

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Speaker 1: the time for us. Let's start with this. What is

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Speaker 1: with all this craziness over the United Healthcare ceo? Assassin?

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Speaker 1: This guy who just is like a privileged private school

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Speaker 1: boy by the way, I know what that's like. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying, but you know, then becomes an assassin. What

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Speaker 1: the heck is with all these people who were saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's like a hero and he's handsome. Are these people

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Speaker 1: just insane? Do they actually know what they're saying? What's

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Speaker 2: I wonder if there's more to the story than we

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Speaker 2: understand right now. I got to feel that at some

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Speaker 2: point the other shoe's going to drop on this. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: the initial reaction to a lot of people, especially on

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Speaker 2: the left, but even a few people on the right,

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Speaker 2: was well, healthcare industry is terrible. These CEOs are terrible.

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Speaker 2: They had it come in, and I get it to

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Speaker 2: some extent that the healthcare system the United States is

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Speaker 2: not great, especially when it comes to health insurance companies.

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Speaker 2: They're very often looking for any and every excuse to

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Speaker 2: deny someone's claim. I think there's pretty good reason to

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Speaker 2: say that there should be reform in those areas, but

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Speaker 2: obviously assassinating people in cold blood in the streets is

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Speaker 2: obviously not the answer. This is not the French Revolution,

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Speaker 2: and we know where these things go very quickly. Even

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Speaker 2: if you're somebody who has problems with the existing healthcare system,

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Speaker 2: going ahead and approving this kind of violence out in

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Speaker 2: public is only going to turn on you eventually. When

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Speaker 2: the left starts encouraging public violence. It never just stops

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Speaker 2: with the rich or the people that you think may

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Speaker 2: have something coming towards them. It's going to come for

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Speaker 2: you and your family.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that the very clear takeaway for anybody

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Speaker 1: who pays attention to what happens when radicals start to

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Speaker 1: get their way with violence within a society is it

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Speaker 1: overwhelmingly works out badly, not just for the society at large,

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Speaker 1: but often for the people who think that they're the

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Speaker 1: vanguard of that change, right, that violence, that violent revolution

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Speaker 1: from within, it is often self consuming. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think the American revolution is in many ways a rare

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Speaker 1: departure from that historical reality. I think there's deep and

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Speaker 1: important reasons as to why that is. But I also

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Speaker 1: think that seeing this and all the anger at healthcare

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Speaker 1: companies in general, I mean, or I feel like this country,

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Speaker 1: it's almost impossible for us to have an honest conversation

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Speaker 1: about the debt and what the real problem with the

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Speaker 1: national debt is and health care and what the real

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Speaker 1: problem with our healthcare system is. And that is that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, and I would say it's a

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Speaker 1: clear majority of the American people want to get more

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Speaker 1: stuff than they give from these systems, or think that

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Speaker 1: that is possible. And I know that's not a popular

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Speaker 1: the debt and in healthcare is very popular well.

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Speaker 2: And the problem with the healthcare industry is multifaceted. Right.

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Speaker 2: The idea that we even have health insurance isn't exactly accurate.

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Speaker 2: If I have some kind of car insurance, I don't

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Speaker 2: expect it to pay for my oil changes. These kind

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Speaker 2: of things but when it comes to health care insurance,

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Speaker 2: we don't treat it as something catastrophic. We treat it

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Speaker 2: as something that is constant and is in use all

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Speaker 2: the time. It's therefore maintenance, so it's not really insurance

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Speaker 2: in the way that we actually understand it, and this

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Speaker 2: distorts the entire system across the board. Of course, we

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Speaker 2: also have a large amount of illegal immigrants in the

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Speaker 2: United States using things like the emergency room of hospitals

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Speaker 2: as their everyday healthcare provider. That wildly inflates the cost

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Speaker 2: for people who actually pay money into the system. We're

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Speaker 2: carrying a lot of artificial load into the system from

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Speaker 2: people who shouldn't be here and don't contribute it at all.

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Speaker 2: That's something that can be changed with policy that has

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with health care. But people just kind

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Speaker 2: of roll all this together and think it's one problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's all these aspects of it that are

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Speaker 1: now it's there's like they have to pay, but they

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Speaker 1: change all the different payment forms. There's no other place

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Speaker 1: in American society where you go in, right. If I

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Speaker 1: Let's sort of see what you're coming to the table

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Speaker 1: with here, show me your little card. Right, It's it's bizarre.

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Speaker 1: And then you also have no one discusses this tort reform,

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Speaker 1: which sounds boring, but it's massively important. The entire healthcare

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Speaker 1: industry is hobbled in part by these ambulance chasers. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I live in Miami. There are billboards everywhere for ambulance chases.

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Speaker 1: industry then spreads to policyholders and then creates also a

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Speaker 1: more aggressive insurance pool protection, which means they don't want

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Speaker 1: me that we're all we're basically in an increasingly subsidized

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Speaker 1: and even socialized system, and nobody wants to admit that

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Speaker 1: because no one wants that to change, because they think

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Speaker 1: that somehow it's better than if we actually just had

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the problem is this system has become

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Speaker 2: so byzantine and there are so many hands in this

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Speaker 2: too many people who benefit. As he pointed out, lawyers, doctors, administrators,

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Speaker 2: pharmaceutical companies, health care insurance companies, all of these have

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Speaker 2: some factor involved in it. You can't You can look

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Speaker 2: at medical patterns, you can look at the different lawsuits

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Speaker 2: Every one of these things works to impact and increase

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Speaker 2: the cost of the system. But people just look at

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Speaker 2: a CEO and say, oh, well, this one guy must

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Speaker 2: be the problem. Again, there are lots of problems. I

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Speaker 2: think there are deeply immoral parts of our healthcare system

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Speaker 2: that you do need to be addressed. But as you

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Speaker 2: point out, so much of this is distorted in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just so many obtuse incentives and until you

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Speaker 1: can start to disentangle that and clarify it and have

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Speaker 1: price transparency and like I said, toward reform and no

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Speaker 1: more tying insurance to your employer, but just individuals able

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Speaker 1: to buy policies like we do with everything else, and

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Speaker 1: selling policy is easily across state lines and all these

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Speaker 1: incentives for more efficient delivery of care, better health care outcomes.

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Speaker 1: We go on on forever. None of this happens. All

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Speaker 1: it is fundamentally a lie. Look at what happens since Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: The average policy is like double what it was at

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Speaker 1: least before Obamacare went into effect. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: been nuts. All right, we'll come back and get into

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Speaker 1: some of the Trump picks and Trump administration proposals going

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Speaker 1: Or in the media's efforts to stop Pete Heggseeth, it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to some extent, we know every single one of

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Speaker 2: all the peddling that they've been doing with this program continuing.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy who is well outside the mainstream.

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Speaker 2: was first announced. That's on purpose. I believe Trump is

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Speaker 2: you need somebody who you know is going to fight

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Speaker 1: It does strike me as concerning that the establishment view

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