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Speaker 1: why Nostalgia Ain't So Rosy. I didn't realize just how

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Speaker 1: I'm sharing one of my own favorite episodes from Rob

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Speaker 1: Blow's podcast, Literally with Rob Blow, where he chats with

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Speaker 1: another one of my favorite eighties stars, Molly Ringwald Think

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Speaker 1: sixteen Candles in the Breakfast Club. This episode is a

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Speaker 1: Take a listen, and then go find Literally wherever you

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Speaker 1: happy dose of nostalgia, and not to worry. The Happiness

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Speaker 1: Lab will be back with more episodes soon. Hello, Hi,

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Speaker 1: middle age. Welcome to literally with me, Rob Low. Today

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Speaker 1: mean he insisted that I, yeah, I was with my girlfriend.

421
00:23:16,716 --> 00:23:18,836
Speaker 1: He was with his his girlfriend of the moment, and

422
00:23:19,516 --> 00:23:21,716
Speaker 1: he insisted that I sit next to him and that

423
00:23:22,276 --> 00:23:25,116
Speaker 1: in halfway through the movie turned to me and he m, yes,

424
00:23:25,316 --> 00:23:29,676
Speaker 1: I see, yes, you see he's he's using so many

425
00:23:29,716 --> 00:23:35,756
Speaker 1: long lenses, and I remember going, WHOA, Oh my god,

426
00:23:36,076 --> 00:23:41,556
Speaker 1: how does he know what lens? Yeah, he's pretty he's

427
00:23:41,556 --> 00:23:46,596
Speaker 1: pretty amazing to talk to, and not just about his

428
00:23:46,596 --> 00:23:51,836
Speaker 1: his technological prowess and his understanding of films, but he

429
00:23:52,116 --> 00:23:55,796
Speaker 1: pretty much has met everyone everyone, not just met, but

430
00:23:55,916 --> 00:24:00,796
Speaker 1: has had a conversation or a story about everyone. And

431
00:24:00,876 --> 00:24:03,676
Speaker 1: I really wish that he would he would write, you know,

432
00:24:03,836 --> 00:24:06,476
Speaker 1: his his memoir, because I mean, I know a lot

433
00:24:06,476 --> 00:24:08,836
Speaker 1: of the stories, but I've I've never written them down,

434
00:24:08,876 --> 00:24:12,076
Speaker 1: and I just I think it's just so interesting and fascinating.

435
00:24:12,076 --> 00:24:14,476
Speaker 1: And there's just not that many people, you know, in

436
00:24:14,476 --> 00:24:17,036
Speaker 1: our business that are that are left that have that

437
00:24:17,116 --> 00:24:21,516
Speaker 1: kind of um you know, sort of access to like

438
00:24:21,876 --> 00:24:25,636
Speaker 1: old Hollywood, old theater, you know. And and also I

439
00:24:25,636 --> 00:24:28,236
Speaker 1: mean he had a you know, an experience with Marilyn Monroe.

440
00:24:28,516 --> 00:24:31,156
Speaker 1: You know, like, it's just that story is amazing, the

441
00:24:31,196 --> 00:24:34,956
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe story. Yeah, it's it's just and I'll butcher,

442
00:24:34,956 --> 00:24:39,836
Speaker 1: I don't really I've heard it apocryphy bunch. But Okay.

443
00:24:39,996 --> 00:24:43,996
Speaker 1: I was going through your credits credits credits, and were

444
00:24:44,116 --> 00:24:49,436
Speaker 1: you in the short film of Sling Blade? I was, what, Yeah,

445
00:24:49,476 --> 00:24:51,676
Speaker 1: it was interesting. I was. I was living in France

446
00:24:51,796 --> 00:24:55,276
Speaker 1: at the time and kind of, you know, I would

447
00:24:55,316 --> 00:24:59,556
Speaker 1: say I put my career firmly on the back burner. Um,

448
00:24:59,596 --> 00:25:03,636
Speaker 1: but stuff was still sent to my parents house and um.

449
00:25:03,636 --> 00:25:06,716
Speaker 1: And it was my mom who called me up in

450
00:25:06,756 --> 00:25:10,116
Speaker 1: Paris and she was like, you know, there's the script

451
00:25:10,356 --> 00:25:12,636
Speaker 1: that I got that I just, you know, I think

452
00:25:12,796 --> 00:25:16,556
Speaker 1: is really interesting. And it was this short film called

453
00:25:16,596 --> 00:25:20,716
Speaker 1: some folks call it a sling Blade, and I came

454
00:25:20,796 --> 00:25:23,956
Speaker 1: back to shoot it. It was not directed by Billy Bob,

455
00:25:23,996 --> 00:25:26,956
Speaker 1: it was it was directed by a man who has

456
00:25:26,996 --> 00:25:29,956
Speaker 1: since died named George Hickenlooper. Did you know him? Oh,

457
00:25:30,116 --> 00:25:31,716
Speaker 1: I know the name. I didn't know he was involved

458
00:25:31,756 --> 00:25:36,076
Speaker 1: in that. Yeah. Um, so he directed it and UM

459
00:25:36,076 --> 00:25:38,956
Speaker 1: and Billy Bob was in it, and I played the

460
00:25:39,076 --> 00:25:45,156
Speaker 1: reporter who um, who comes to interview him at the hospital. UM.

461
00:25:45,236 --> 00:25:48,516
Speaker 1: And it was really interesting because at when when we

462
00:25:48,556 --> 00:25:52,156
Speaker 1: met before, UM at a diner or something, he said,

463
00:25:52,236 --> 00:25:53,676
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of I kind of do this

464
00:25:53,676 --> 00:25:56,956
Speaker 1: this character. UM, I don't know, do you do you

465
00:25:56,996 --> 00:25:59,076
Speaker 1: want me to just you know, wait, do you want

466
00:25:59,076 --> 00:26:00,796
Speaker 1: me to do it now or do you want to wait?

467
00:26:00,876 --> 00:26:02,756
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, save it, save it.

468
00:26:02,756 --> 00:26:04,436
Speaker 1: I want I want to see it the like the

469
00:26:04,476 --> 00:26:07,316
Speaker 1: first time. So the first time that I ever saw

470
00:26:07,556 --> 00:26:10,636
Speaker 1: him do it, the camera was on me. No, And

471
00:26:11,716 --> 00:26:15,716
Speaker 1: that was like completely offense. I mean I was not

472
00:26:15,836 --> 00:26:19,036
Speaker 1: acting in that. I was just amazed. I mean he

473
00:26:19,076 --> 00:26:23,516
Speaker 1: was amazing. He completely transformed and Yeah, it was. It

474
00:26:23,596 --> 00:26:26,316
Speaker 1: was extraordinary. I was really happy to be a part

475
00:26:26,316 --> 00:26:28,836
Speaker 1: of that. I was not so happy that he didn't

476
00:26:28,836 --> 00:26:31,716
Speaker 1: call me back to to be a part of the movie.

477
00:26:31,916 --> 00:26:34,676
Speaker 1: I sort of was really bummed out about that. But

478
00:26:34,756 --> 00:26:37,396
Speaker 1: I guess the movie really didn't focus on that. It

479
00:26:37,476 --> 00:26:39,756
Speaker 1: really focused on him outside of the hospital. Yeah. I

480
00:26:39,796 --> 00:26:43,156
Speaker 1: don't even remember the reporter being in the movie. Yeah, Yeah,

481
00:26:43,196 --> 00:26:45,956
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think it was, but um yeah,

482
00:26:45,756 --> 00:26:51,396
Speaker 1: that was really really something that character people forget, And um,

483
00:26:51,476 --> 00:26:53,556
Speaker 1: I know Billy a little bit. In fact, Billy is

484
00:26:53,596 --> 00:26:56,876
Speaker 1: the person who told me I should write He's. He

485
00:26:57,036 --> 00:26:59,516
Speaker 1: was my guy that was like, you should be writing,

486
00:27:00,276 --> 00:27:03,156
Speaker 1: and so I'm indebted to him and I've always been

487
00:27:03,156 --> 00:27:06,196
Speaker 1: a huge fan. But he told me the story He's

488
00:27:06,196 --> 00:27:08,276
Speaker 1: And I can't do a Billy Bob Thornton impersonation. I

489
00:27:08,356 --> 00:27:09,876
Speaker 1: used to be able to, but it's been too long,

490
00:27:09,916 --> 00:27:12,236
Speaker 1: but I wish I could because it helps the story.

491
00:27:12,276 --> 00:27:14,716
Speaker 1: But he said he was sitting in some like honeywagon

492
00:27:14,956 --> 00:27:19,396
Speaker 1: on some awful movie that he hated and waiting to

493
00:27:19,436 --> 00:27:22,196
Speaker 1: act and just like, is this is this my life?

494
00:27:22,316 --> 00:27:25,716
Speaker 1: Is this? I'm like the seventh lead in a shitty

495
00:27:25,796 --> 00:27:30,556
Speaker 1: movie up in fucking some freezing Canadian town in the

496
00:27:30,556 --> 00:27:33,476
Speaker 1: middle of the winter, and he's looking at himself in

497
00:27:33,516 --> 00:27:37,236
Speaker 1: the mirror and he just made that face, he made

498
00:27:37,956 --> 00:27:41,596
Speaker 1: the Carl sling blade face yea, and then did it

499
00:27:42,316 --> 00:27:47,676
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, And he started just fucking around like just

500
00:27:47,876 --> 00:27:51,316
Speaker 1: entertaining because he was bored, just entertaining himself. And that

501
00:27:51,516 --> 00:27:54,676
Speaker 1: was the origin of Carl, and that was the origin

502
00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:57,876
Speaker 1: of sling Blade and then he told me he wrote

503
00:27:58,316 --> 00:28:00,876
Speaker 1: a short and I said, wait, it was a short,

504
00:28:00,916 --> 00:28:02,676
Speaker 1: and then to see that you were in it. It's

505
00:28:02,716 --> 00:28:05,356
Speaker 1: definitely one of my cooler credits, like that one, and

506
00:28:05,916 --> 00:28:08,356
Speaker 1: like Jean Luke Gadar, I kind of like put that

507
00:28:08,516 --> 00:28:11,316
Speaker 1: and we're he with Cassavetti's I sort of I put

508
00:28:11,356 --> 00:28:14,636
Speaker 1: all of those sort of at the top of the list. Yeah, Um,

509
00:28:14,756 --> 00:28:16,636
Speaker 1: do you still talk to him? I haven't seen him

510
00:28:16,636 --> 00:28:18,756
Speaker 1: in a long time. I talked to him um a

511
00:28:18,796 --> 00:28:22,156
Speaker 1: lot when he was because my my um my best

512
00:28:22,196 --> 00:28:24,276
Speaker 1: friend was who passed away a few years ago, was

513
00:28:24,276 --> 00:28:27,356
Speaker 1: Bill Paxton. And Bill and he were really really good

514
00:28:27,396 --> 00:28:32,276
Speaker 1: buddies and did numerous movies together. Um. One False Move

515
00:28:32,836 --> 00:28:35,716
Speaker 1: Um is a great Sam Rami movie. So that was

516
00:28:35,756 --> 00:28:40,076
Speaker 1: sort of my you know, intersection with with with Billy

517
00:28:40,156 --> 00:28:43,036
Speaker 1: Bob Um God, I love him and that I can't

518
00:28:43,036 --> 00:28:45,356
Speaker 1: believe I'm so jealous. Who else was in the movie?

519
00:28:45,436 --> 00:28:48,156
Speaker 1: Was it just my my My? I feel like it

520
00:28:48,196 --> 00:28:50,476
Speaker 1: was like shot in a black box with a dangling

521
00:28:50,596 --> 00:28:52,516
Speaker 1: light and it's just you and Billy. That's what I

522
00:28:52,516 --> 00:28:55,036
Speaker 1: feel like. It was, like, Yeah, No, it was. It

523
00:28:55,116 --> 00:28:58,916
Speaker 1: was another really fantastic actor who I think might have

524
00:28:58,956 --> 00:29:03,636
Speaker 1: been in the um the actual movie. UM, and I'm

525
00:29:03,676 --> 00:29:08,796
Speaker 1: blanking on his name and it's JT. Walsh. Yeah, I

526
00:29:08,836 --> 00:29:10,916
Speaker 1: think that was him. About what he was, he was

527
00:29:11,276 --> 00:29:16,716
Speaker 1: another patient. Yeah, he's insane yet he's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Yeah,

528
00:29:15,996 --> 00:29:19,196
Speaker 1: he he He's died since then, but he was. He

529
00:29:19,236 --> 00:29:24,436
Speaker 1: was amazing. Susanne Cryer played the do you know Susanne Cryer? Um?

530
00:29:24,796 --> 00:29:26,956
Speaker 1: That was her first job. She never she came out

531
00:29:26,956 --> 00:29:29,836
Speaker 1: of Yale drama and had never even been on film before.

532
00:29:29,876 --> 00:29:32,156
Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, telling her like what Marx

533
00:29:32,156 --> 00:29:35,476
Speaker 1: were and kind of like, you know, favored the camera

534
00:29:35,676 --> 00:29:38,116
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, and and you know, and

535
00:29:38,116 --> 00:29:40,236
Speaker 1: then of course she went on to have a great career.

536
00:29:40,276 --> 00:29:41,716
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of who else was in it,

537
00:29:41,796 --> 00:29:44,396
Speaker 1: Billy Bob oh, oh, you know who was in it

538
00:29:44,436 --> 00:29:50,876
Speaker 1: is Jefferson May's. Oh, Jefferson May's great actress. Yeah, great actor. Yeah,

539
00:29:50,916 --> 00:29:53,316
Speaker 1: it was. It was a really cool project. Do you

540
00:29:53,356 --> 00:29:56,076
Speaker 1: ever feel because you've been acting as you were literally

541
00:29:56,116 --> 00:30:00,516
Speaker 1: you're not kidding like like a baby, right yeah? Yeah, yeah,

542
00:30:00,556 --> 00:30:03,716
Speaker 1: so that stuff like favorite of the camera, what marks

543
00:30:03,716 --> 00:30:07,196
Speaker 1: are It's so in your DNA. Yeah, like it's just

544
00:30:07,236 --> 00:30:08,676
Speaker 1: it's like it's in your dan. You don't even think

545
00:30:08,716 --> 00:30:10,996
Speaker 1: about have thought about it in years, And then you

546
00:30:11,916 --> 00:30:14,716
Speaker 1: work with somebody who's brand brand, brand new, and you're like, oh,

547
00:30:14,756 --> 00:30:18,276
Speaker 1: bless them. Ye listen, if you can't see the camera,

548
00:30:19,316 --> 00:30:23,276
Speaker 1: the camera can't see you. Yeah, do you have to

549
00:30:23,316 --> 00:30:25,596
Speaker 1: do that with Emilio Stevas you did, didn't you? You You

550
00:30:25,716 --> 00:30:29,756
Speaker 1: had to be like Amelio? These are marks. I know

551
00:30:29,836 --> 00:30:32,716
Speaker 1: your papa didn't have them in the jungle and he

552
00:30:32,836 --> 00:30:37,876
Speaker 1: was making Apocalypse. Now this is a library set. No,

553
00:30:38,076 --> 00:30:41,636
Speaker 1: Amelio had done a few things before, um, you know,

554
00:30:41,876 --> 00:30:46,196
Speaker 1: before we did Breakfast Club, right, he did Repo Man,

555
00:30:46,436 --> 00:30:48,956
Speaker 1: he did it well. Of course, the Outsiders, he did

556
00:30:48,956 --> 00:30:52,636
Speaker 1: a few stuff. Yeah. Just I mean all of those people.

557
00:30:53,276 --> 00:30:56,116
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to think. So Ali, I did

558
00:30:56,196 --> 00:31:01,876
Speaker 1: two movies with Amelio, I did two movies with um Judd,

559
00:31:02,036 --> 00:31:05,676
Speaker 1: I did one movie with That's sort that's that's the

560
00:31:05,716 --> 00:31:09,716
Speaker 1: main group of the Breakfast Club, right. Yeah. Well Michael Hall,

561
00:31:10,196 --> 00:31:12,876
Speaker 1: Michael Oh never worked with him. I loved him. He

562
00:31:12,996 --> 00:31:15,396
Speaker 1: was so good in those movies and still is. He's

563
00:31:15,396 --> 00:31:21,436
Speaker 1: an amazasing actor. Yeah, he really is. He Uh, he's

564
00:31:21,516 --> 00:31:23,916
Speaker 1: so funny, so smart. I don't know if you've been

565
00:31:23,916 --> 00:31:29,156
Speaker 1: watching um, the bo Burnham inside of course, Um, there's something.

566
00:31:29,196 --> 00:31:32,116
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm kind of obsessed and um you know

567
00:31:32,396 --> 00:31:34,676
Speaker 1: now I think I've watched it like five times all

568
00:31:34,716 --> 00:31:37,276
Speaker 1: the way through, just because I'm so I'm so intrigued

569
00:31:37,356 --> 00:31:40,116
Speaker 1: to know how he how he did it, basically, like

570
00:31:40,156 --> 00:31:42,036
Speaker 1: I want to like take it apart like a watch

571
00:31:42,076 --> 00:31:45,196
Speaker 1: and put it back together again. Um. But there's something

572
00:31:45,356 --> 00:31:49,156
Speaker 1: in bo Burnham that reminds me a lot of Anthony

573
00:31:49,196 --> 00:31:52,756
Speaker 1: Michael Hall. I don't know, it's like just how incredibly

574
00:31:52,836 --> 00:31:57,076
Speaker 1: smart and sharp. And also when I knew Michael, he

575
00:31:57,156 --> 00:32:00,716
Speaker 1: was really tall, like he grew just overnight too. You know,

576
00:32:00,796 --> 00:32:02,876
Speaker 1: I think he's way over six feet and he's kind

577
00:32:02,876 --> 00:32:06,156
Speaker 1: of gangly, and you know, loved George Carla, and there's

578
00:32:06,236 --> 00:32:08,116
Speaker 1: there's just something in the two of them that I

579
00:32:08,396 --> 00:32:11,636
Speaker 1: that I think is really similar. Um, but I haven't

580
00:32:11,676 --> 00:32:14,956
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him for years. I m I visited.

581
00:32:16,236 --> 00:32:19,156
Speaker 1: I can't remember what set it was. Which one of

582
00:32:19,276 --> 00:32:24,276
Speaker 1: your your movies was Joan cusack In. She was in

583
00:32:24,556 --> 00:32:29,196
Speaker 1: sixteen Candles. She played the neck brace girl. Right, that's

584
00:32:29,316 --> 00:32:31,876
Speaker 1: yes and is Michael Schaufflin in that Yes, of course,

585
00:32:31,876 --> 00:32:34,396
Speaker 1: he yes, he's the guy, Michael. Yeah, Michael Chaufflin is

586
00:32:34,396 --> 00:32:36,676
Speaker 1: the guy. I visited that set. Didn't meet you, but

587
00:32:36,756 --> 00:32:40,476
Speaker 1: I was there one day. I was really in Chicago. Yeah,

588
00:32:40,556 --> 00:32:44,156
Speaker 1: I was doing class. Oh yeah, and John Cusack was

589
00:32:44,196 --> 00:32:49,196
Speaker 1: in class. That's right, right, Andrew Andrew McCarthy, that's right.

590
00:32:49,276 --> 00:32:51,836
Speaker 1: So I came and I remember meeting everybody, and then

591
00:32:52,236 --> 00:32:53,836
Speaker 1: my girlfriend at the time was going off to do

592
00:32:53,876 --> 00:32:56,356
Speaker 1: a movie with Michael Schaufflinglin later, and I was like, oh,

593
00:32:56,356 --> 00:33:01,556
Speaker 1: that handsome little bastard. It was very jealous of Michael Chaufflin.

594
00:33:01,956 --> 00:33:05,076
Speaker 1: And Michael Chafflin's just like disappeared. I mean, I mean,

595
00:33:05,596 --> 00:33:09,636
Speaker 1: I mean just completely from from public eye anyway. He

596
00:33:09,756 --> 00:33:11,716
Speaker 1: just tapped out, he said, I've had enough, I'm taking

597
00:33:11,756 --> 00:33:15,196
Speaker 1: my winnings and leaving the casino of Hollywood. Yeah. And

598
00:33:15,196 --> 00:33:17,236
Speaker 1: and and I think he's the last time I heard

599
00:33:17,236 --> 00:33:18,916
Speaker 1: he's like a carpenter. I don't I don't know if

600
00:33:18,916 --> 00:33:22,196
Speaker 1: that's just like an urban legend or what. But no,

601
00:33:22,316 --> 00:33:26,516
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's Daniel day Lewis. No, he's a Taylor,

602
00:33:26,676 --> 00:33:29,596
Speaker 1: isn't he all that? Yes, isn't he a Taylor Or

603
00:33:30,876 --> 00:33:33,436
Speaker 1: is he a cobbler? Maybe he's a cobbler. I think

604
00:33:33,436 --> 00:33:38,156
Speaker 1: it's a cobbler. Maybe he's making cobbler Daniel day Lewis's

605
00:33:38,196 --> 00:33:42,836
Speaker 1: fruit Cobbler insane? Um tell, Okay, I'm obsessed with the

606
00:33:42,836 --> 00:33:46,516
Speaker 1: pickup artist because here's what I remember about the pickup artist. Okay,

607
00:33:46,796 --> 00:33:50,396
Speaker 1: that was another one that like, as a young actor,

608
00:33:51,356 --> 00:33:57,316
Speaker 1: everybody's like, ooh, the pickup artist, like James Toback, oh

609
00:33:57,476 --> 00:34:01,396
Speaker 1: edgy James Toback and and Warren Batty was like he

610
00:34:01,796 --> 00:34:05,076
Speaker 1: was like under his auspices and everybody wanted to be

611
00:34:05,276 --> 00:34:08,556
Speaker 1: in it, and it was all very mysterios So and

612
00:34:09,356 --> 00:34:11,956
Speaker 1: you know, I just picture these meetings at the Warren's

613
00:34:12,076 --> 00:34:16,236
Speaker 1: Mulholland spaceship house, and I just it's it's become this

614
00:34:16,276 --> 00:34:19,476
Speaker 1: like mythical movie to me. And and then there was

615
00:34:19,476 --> 00:34:23,236
Speaker 1: there there's the urban legend that he that Tobac is

616
00:34:23,236 --> 00:34:26,636
Speaker 1: such an inveterate gambler that he chose the locations to

617
00:34:26,716 --> 00:34:29,436
Speaker 1: be close to the off track betting sites. Have you

618
00:34:29,516 --> 00:34:36,596
Speaker 1: heard that one? I yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all. Yeah,

619
00:34:36,676 --> 00:34:39,676
Speaker 1: it was did wait, did you did you do any

620
00:34:39,716 --> 00:34:41,396
Speaker 1: of the I know that Warren had a lot of

621
00:34:42,076 --> 00:34:44,836
Speaker 1: readings at his house, sort of like trying out different people.

622
00:34:44,876 --> 00:34:47,956
Speaker 1: Did you ever do any of those? No? Again, you know, Warren,

623
00:34:48,036 --> 00:34:52,236
Speaker 1: like John Hughes, was not was not calling my number. Um,

624
00:34:52,596 --> 00:34:55,036
Speaker 1: And I don't know what it means. I'm very disappointed

625
00:34:55,076 --> 00:34:58,316
Speaker 1: that my hero was not. I know, but he's always

626
00:34:58,316 --> 00:35:01,356
Speaker 1: said nice things about you. Oh I love hearing that.

627
00:35:02,356 --> 00:35:05,036
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Warren fan. What can I say, just

628
00:35:05,116 --> 00:35:07,396
Speaker 1: that he's he's the man. But I was very Now

629
00:35:07,396 --> 00:35:09,396
Speaker 1: I remember why I remember it so much because I

630
00:35:09,996 --> 00:35:11,716
Speaker 1: was in therapy over it that I never got to go.

631
00:35:12,476 --> 00:35:15,676
Speaker 1: You know, that was a cool house, though. You you

632
00:35:15,716 --> 00:35:18,356
Speaker 1: went to the spaceship house, right, right, Okay, so my

633
00:35:18,436 --> 00:35:20,836
Speaker 1: memory of it, okay, this is great because I've never

634
00:35:20,996 --> 00:35:22,836
Speaker 1: this is oh, thank you, because my memory of it

635
00:35:22,916 --> 00:35:27,236
Speaker 1: is it's a fucking spaceship And and when I went

636
00:35:27,316 --> 00:35:32,276
Speaker 1: there was no furniture, or very little furniture except the

637
00:35:32,356 --> 00:35:37,236
Speaker 1: oscar was on the mantel for Red's and he he

638
00:35:37,516 --> 00:35:39,276
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, I'm sorry. I just haven't had

639
00:35:39,276 --> 00:35:41,556
Speaker 1: a chance to really furnish of him. I've been away

640
00:35:41,596 --> 00:35:44,436
Speaker 1: shooting for a couple of years. I was like, yeah,

641
00:35:43,796 --> 00:35:47,796
Speaker 1: I know, I think maybe you went to the Spaceship

642
00:35:47,796 --> 00:35:50,996
Speaker 1: House before I did, because by the time I went

643
00:35:51,076 --> 00:35:54,556
Speaker 1: there there there was some furniture, not a lot, it

644
00:35:54,636 --> 00:35:57,036
Speaker 1: was not it was a pretty sparse house. But I

645
00:35:57,076 --> 00:36:00,836
Speaker 1: remember this big, huge grand piano. Yes, I think that

646
00:36:00,956 --> 00:36:04,956
Speaker 1: was then because Warren plays piano. Actually he did piano

647
00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:07,636
Speaker 1: bar before, you know, while he was you know, supporting

648
00:36:07,716 --> 00:36:11,316
Speaker 1: himself as a as an up and coming actor. Um.

649
00:36:11,356 --> 00:36:14,156
Speaker 1: And then I remember, uh, you know, the next time

650
00:36:14,276 --> 00:36:17,636
Speaker 1: I was there, there was just a Degau statue that

651
00:36:17,796 --> 00:36:22,396
Speaker 1: was just sort of capfully placed on the piano, like

652
00:36:22,796 --> 00:36:25,756
Speaker 1: what you got the de Ga? I got the Oscar.

653
00:36:25,956 --> 00:36:28,676
Speaker 1: That's that's that was his move. Just Oh, by the way,

654
00:36:28,756 --> 00:36:32,276
Speaker 1: y way were you were you always the feet? Like

655
00:36:33,156 --> 00:36:34,596
Speaker 1: so who did you read with? Who are the different

656
00:36:34,596 --> 00:36:35,956
Speaker 1: people that you came up and read with up there

657
00:36:35,956 --> 00:36:39,716
Speaker 1: at the Spaceship House. Um, I never read with anyone,

658
00:36:39,996 --> 00:36:43,756
Speaker 1: but I knew that that readings were happened, Like I

659
00:36:43,796 --> 00:36:46,116
Speaker 1: really wanted to do it because I just really wanted

660
00:36:46,116 --> 00:36:49,116
Speaker 1: to work with Warren. Um. Yeah, you know, I mean

661
00:36:49,156 --> 00:36:51,556
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have, you know, been in

662
00:36:51,556 --> 00:36:54,476
Speaker 1: a movie that Warren directed, and Warren kind of I mean,

663
00:36:54,516 --> 00:36:57,436
Speaker 1: Toback was a director, but you know, Warren was involved,

664
00:36:57,436 --> 00:37:01,876
Speaker 1: so he was he was directing everyone, um all the time. Um.

665
00:37:01,956 --> 00:37:04,236
Speaker 1: But I remember he would call me and say, you know,

666
00:37:04,356 --> 00:37:06,476
Speaker 1: what do you hey, Hey, what do you think? Uh,

667
00:37:06,876 --> 00:37:08,996
Speaker 1: what do you think of Demi Moore? What do you

668
00:37:08,996 --> 00:37:11,916
Speaker 1: think of you know, Susie Amos, what do you think

669
00:37:11,916 --> 00:37:13,676
Speaker 1: of it? He would he would ask me what I

670
00:37:13,716 --> 00:37:15,956
Speaker 1: thought of all these other actresses, and it was driving

671
00:37:15,996 --> 00:37:18,636
Speaker 1: me crazy. I was like, just cast me. I want

672
00:37:18,636 --> 00:37:20,836
Speaker 1: to be in it, you know. But he was like,

673
00:37:20,956 --> 00:37:22,676
Speaker 1: I don't know if this part is big enough for you,

674
00:37:22,676 --> 00:37:24,596
Speaker 1: you know, because this is after pretty and Pink and

675
00:37:24,956 --> 00:37:28,196
Speaker 1: you know everything. But I liked I actually really liked

676
00:37:28,236 --> 00:37:32,276
Speaker 1: the idea of playing supporting roles coming out of those movies.

677
00:37:32,316 --> 00:37:35,476
Speaker 1: You know. I really wanted to kind of not feel

678
00:37:35,516 --> 00:37:39,436
Speaker 1: like a movie was sitting on my shoulders. Um. So

679
00:37:39,516 --> 00:37:42,276
Speaker 1: I like that idea, and I liked the script. I

680
00:37:42,276 --> 00:37:44,556
Speaker 1: thought the script was funny. And you know, of course

681
00:37:44,556 --> 00:37:49,076
Speaker 1: it would never get made today, one of them would. Yeah,

682
00:37:49,116 --> 00:37:52,956
Speaker 1: I know, it's I mean, it's hard when you go

683
00:37:53,036 --> 00:37:56,756
Speaker 1: through them your your resume, When when one goes through

684
00:37:56,796 --> 00:38:01,036
Speaker 1: one's resume, it's I mean Breakfast Club. I can't imagine

685
00:38:01,156 --> 00:38:03,396
Speaker 1: that ever getting made. It certainly wouldn't get made as

686
00:38:03,436 --> 00:38:07,076
Speaker 1: a movie to be in the movie theater, if if

687
00:38:07,116 --> 00:38:10,836
Speaker 1: barely at all. I mean, it'd be made for absolutely

688
00:38:10,876 --> 00:38:13,836
Speaker 1: a shoe string and it would be, you know, a

689
00:38:13,836 --> 00:38:17,476
Speaker 1: sundance movie, if you're if You're lucky. Yeah, yeah, And

690
00:38:17,556 --> 00:38:19,316
Speaker 1: I kind of missed that. I have to say, I

691
00:38:19,436 --> 00:38:22,676
Speaker 1: miss I miss movies that aren't spectacles. I mean, I

692
00:38:22,756 --> 00:38:25,356
Speaker 1: enjoy going to spectacles too. I just went to see

693
00:38:25,396 --> 00:38:28,676
Speaker 1: The Black Widow with you know, with my kids, and

694
00:38:28,876 --> 00:38:31,236
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a big superhero kind of movie,

695
00:38:31,276 --> 00:38:33,196
Speaker 1: but you know, I enjoyed it. But the part that

696
00:38:33,236 --> 00:38:37,316
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the most was the relationship with the acting. Yeah,

697
00:38:37,476 --> 00:38:41,636
Speaker 1: the acting and the and the relationship between Scarlett Johanson's

698
00:38:41,676 --> 00:38:46,676
Speaker 1: character and Florence Pugh. Um yeah, I thought they were amazing.

699
00:38:46,716 --> 00:38:48,476
Speaker 1: And I thought that the reason why it's a good

700
00:38:48,516 --> 00:38:51,476
Speaker 1: movie is because you are invested in these people. You know,

701
00:38:52,116 --> 00:38:54,476
Speaker 1: I think you'd be great in a Marvel movie. I

702
00:38:55,916 --> 00:38:58,316
Speaker 1: as a Marvel mastermind. I want you. I see you

703
00:38:58,356 --> 00:39:02,156
Speaker 1: as a mastermind though. Yeah yeah yeah, with that fear

704
00:39:02,276 --> 00:39:07,876
Speaker 1: with his hand, that vibe. Yeah, I would actually love that.

705
00:39:07,956 --> 00:39:11,076
Speaker 1: I would love to play a super villain by way,

706
00:39:11,156 --> 00:39:14,276
Speaker 1: just the notion of you your name, like, and guess

707
00:39:14,276 --> 00:39:18,276
Speaker 1: who's playing. Um, I don't know, I don't know what's

708
00:39:18,316 --> 00:39:19,716
Speaker 1: give me a super villain name? What's it like? A

709
00:39:19,916 --> 00:39:23,956
Speaker 1: just let's make up your own. Well. I always thought,

710
00:39:24,036 --> 00:39:26,876
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a Marvel property. I think it's DC.

711
00:39:27,156 --> 00:39:29,716
Speaker 1: But I thought if I ever did a super villain,

712
00:39:29,716 --> 00:39:33,156
Speaker 1: I would want to play Bookworm. Oh great, there you go.

713
00:39:33,356 --> 00:39:36,396
Speaker 1: I mean how cool would that be. I think it'd

714
00:39:36,396 --> 00:39:40,196
Speaker 1: be super fucking hip. Yeah, well, let's put it out there,

715
00:39:40,276 --> 00:39:43,236
Speaker 1: rob Let's put it out there in the universe. Yeah,

716
00:39:43,276 --> 00:39:47,596
Speaker 1: you be Bookworm. I want to be Green Hornet. Oh okay,

717
00:39:47,756 --> 00:39:50,596
Speaker 1: I believe I could be green, you know. I mean

718
00:39:50,636 --> 00:39:52,156
Speaker 1: it could happen. You know, they're gonna run out of

719
00:39:52,196 --> 00:39:55,316
Speaker 1: actors at some point at some point. Yeah, And I

720
00:39:55,316 --> 00:39:57,596
Speaker 1: feel like it would just be it would be such

721
00:39:57,596 --> 00:40:00,436
Speaker 1: a great opportunity to get in shape, you know, like

722
00:40:00,596 --> 00:40:02,396
Speaker 1: I really want to be put on that. It's like

723
00:40:02,636 --> 00:40:08,516
Speaker 1: Marvel Marvel diet, Like I just see you know, yes, right,

724
00:40:08,596 --> 00:40:12,676
Speaker 1: and take those those whatever they're doing to look like that,

725
00:40:12,876 --> 00:40:15,356
Speaker 1: you know, I want some of that. I say that

726
00:40:15,436 --> 00:40:17,516
Speaker 1: same thing all the time ago. The whole point of

727
00:40:17,556 --> 00:40:21,076
Speaker 1: being is Marvel is to have, you know, doctor feel good.

728
00:40:21,276 --> 00:40:24,236
Speaker 1: He probably carries a Marvel doctor bag that has the

729
00:40:24,276 --> 00:40:27,036
Speaker 1: Marvel logo on it, and he shows up to he

730
00:40:27,076 --> 00:40:30,276
Speaker 1: shows up to every actor who's twenty pounds overweight, who

731
00:40:30,356 --> 00:40:32,996
Speaker 1: just signed to play the you know, the green Henchman

732
00:40:33,076 --> 00:40:35,996
Speaker 1: or where the fucking character it is, and opens up

733
00:40:36,036 --> 00:40:37,916
Speaker 1: that bag and the next thing you know, you're on

734
00:40:38,996 --> 00:40:42,516
Speaker 1: drugs and you are just shredded. Yeah, you don't know

735
00:40:42,516 --> 00:40:45,796
Speaker 1: what hit you. That's what I want, That's what I want.

736
00:40:47,876 --> 00:40:50,956
Speaker 1: I mean, it's quite something. Do you think there's like

737
00:40:50,996 --> 00:40:55,556
Speaker 1: a special floor at the Marvel building where they have

738
00:40:55,716 --> 00:40:58,836
Speaker 1: like actors on treadmills, like where they do animal experimentation,

739
00:40:58,876 --> 00:41:03,196
Speaker 1: except it's on actors, and they're like, have you seen

740
00:41:03,276 --> 00:41:06,596
Speaker 1: Kamo Johnny? Look at him, He's went from a from

741
00:41:06,596 --> 00:41:08,876
Speaker 1: a thirty six ense waist to a twenty eight inch waist,

742
00:41:09,236 --> 00:41:13,276
Speaker 1: got a tortoshell abs. Yeah, I'm sure they are all ripped.

743
00:41:13,676 --> 00:41:16,516
Speaker 1: I mean they just they all look better than they

744
00:41:16,516 --> 00:41:19,716
Speaker 1: will ever look in their entire lives. So so yeah,

745
00:41:19,796 --> 00:41:22,316
Speaker 1: I feel like if if that could happen, I would

746
00:41:22,356 --> 00:41:25,996
Speaker 1: definitely be up for a superhero movie. Do you know that?

747
00:41:26,076 --> 00:41:28,796
Speaker 1: I never you know who the first person who ever

748
00:41:28,916 --> 00:41:32,676
Speaker 1: got me to work out was? Who? Okay, let me

749
00:41:32,716 --> 00:41:36,236
Speaker 1: know it. This is a good game, Okay, this is oh. Oh,

750
00:41:36,276 --> 00:41:37,396
Speaker 1: I know who it is. I know who it is.

751
00:41:37,436 --> 00:41:40,556
Speaker 1: I know absolutely who it is. Aili. It's Amelia totally.

752
00:41:41,276 --> 00:41:43,196
Speaker 1: I knew it. I fucking knew it. I knew it.

753
00:41:44,356 --> 00:41:47,876
Speaker 1: I never even I don't even think I understood the

754
00:41:47,956 --> 00:41:51,196
Speaker 1: concept of working out. I mean it was like you

755
00:41:51,476 --> 00:41:54,876
Speaker 1: had pe at school, you you know, maybe took a

756
00:41:54,916 --> 00:41:58,916
Speaker 1: couple tennis classes, you know, but like working out. Actually,

757
00:41:58,996 --> 00:42:01,156
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, he hooks me up with this guy,

758
00:42:01,276 --> 00:42:07,316
Speaker 1: Jackson Susa God to get out. I swear he came

759
00:42:07,476 --> 00:42:12,396
Speaker 1: from my house in his fai parents house in the street. No,

760
00:42:12,476 --> 00:42:14,316
Speaker 1: it was in the back of it because I was

761
00:42:14,356 --> 00:42:16,036
Speaker 1: still living with my parents when I, you know, I

762
00:42:16,076 --> 00:42:18,476
Speaker 1: was doing the movies. Um, and I remember, and I

763
00:42:18,556 --> 00:42:21,196
Speaker 1: was pretty skinny. I mean I was just like very

764
00:42:21,276 --> 00:42:25,996
Speaker 1: naturally a skinny kid. But I remember him pinching me

765
00:42:26,076 --> 00:42:28,396
Speaker 1: and telling me up, you know what that is? That's

766
00:42:28,516 --> 00:42:35,876
Speaker 1: that's subcontanious fat like what what? Yeah? I never never

767
00:42:36,036 --> 00:42:40,076
Speaker 1: even I'm not sure I knew what subcontainious meant um

768
00:42:40,116 --> 00:42:43,796
Speaker 1: and never ever was called fat in any way, shape

769
00:42:43,836 --> 00:42:46,836
Speaker 1: or form, but by yeah, Jackson Susa. But that that

770
00:42:46,916 --> 00:42:49,036
Speaker 1: was the first time I ever worked out with a trainer,

771
00:42:49,476 --> 00:42:52,396
Speaker 1: Thanks Ameilio. He was my trainer to Jackson Susa. And

772
00:42:52,396 --> 00:42:54,356
Speaker 1: he'd show up in a van and sometimes we would

773
00:42:54,716 --> 00:42:57,076
Speaker 1: find a street literally a cul de sac and pull

774
00:42:57,116 --> 00:42:58,356
Speaker 1: over and he put all his shit out in the

775
00:42:58,356 --> 00:42:59,996
Speaker 1: street and we work out in the middle of the street.

776
00:43:00,756 --> 00:43:04,276
Speaker 1: Oh wow, And that was an Emilio. Emilio used to

777
00:43:04,356 --> 00:43:06,516
Speaker 1: wake me up. I'd be asleep and I'd wake up

778
00:43:06,556 --> 00:43:10,396
Speaker 1: an Amili be standing over my bed and he'd have

779
00:43:11,116 --> 00:43:14,076
Speaker 1: he would be fully dressed in his dolphin shorts and

780
00:43:14,356 --> 00:43:17,396
Speaker 1: his tank tops and he would hold my running shoes

781
00:43:17,836 --> 00:43:19,436
Speaker 1: in front of my face and wake me up in

782
00:43:19,436 --> 00:43:22,556
Speaker 1: the morning. You go, because he always said, wake up,

783
00:43:22,556 --> 00:43:26,356
Speaker 1: it's your worst nightmare an actor in running shoes and

784
00:43:26,396 --> 00:43:27,916
Speaker 1: that's what he said. And then I would have to

785
00:43:27,916 --> 00:43:31,916
Speaker 1: go run with him from point doomed trank Us and back. Wow.

786
00:43:45,356 --> 00:43:47,556
Speaker 1: Do are you still friends with Amelia? I haven't seen

787
00:43:47,636 --> 00:43:50,676
Speaker 1: him in a long, long, long, long long time, because

788
00:43:50,676 --> 00:43:52,716
Speaker 1: he's I think he's like living in Ohio part time

789
00:43:52,716 --> 00:43:55,676
Speaker 1: and stuff, and then he's shooting up in Canada's Yeah,

790
00:43:56,196 --> 00:43:59,196
Speaker 1: I see Martin a lot. We did the West Wing

791
00:43:59,236 --> 00:44:02,796
Speaker 1: reunion and he's, you know, just the best. And and

792
00:44:02,876 --> 00:44:05,516
Speaker 1: every once in a while I'll get a really funny

793
00:44:05,516 --> 00:44:10,036
Speaker 1: phone call from Charlie m and I had McCard Andrew

794
00:44:10,076 --> 00:44:12,316
Speaker 1: on the podcast a few weeks ago. He was so great.

795
00:44:12,356 --> 00:44:16,156
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen or spoken to Andrew in so many years.

796
00:44:16,156 --> 00:44:18,596
Speaker 1: And his book's amazing. If you haven't read it, it's

797
00:44:18,676 --> 00:44:22,596
Speaker 1: quite great. I haven't read it yet, he U. He

798
00:44:23,036 --> 00:44:26,796
Speaker 1: very nicely sent me all of the you know, sections

799
00:44:26,876 --> 00:44:29,356
Speaker 1: that I was in, which you know, he didn't he

800
00:44:29,396 --> 00:44:32,236
Speaker 1: didn't have to, but I thought that was really nice

801
00:44:32,236 --> 00:44:36,356
Speaker 1: of him, and he was very respectful. And you know, um,

802
00:44:36,396 --> 00:44:38,676
Speaker 1: he's a really good writer. I mean he's he's another

803
00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:41,276
Speaker 1: one who's been sort of writing for years and getting

804
00:44:41,636 --> 00:44:45,916
Speaker 1: progressively better, and um, yeah, he's a he's a good guy.

805
00:44:46,076 --> 00:44:50,836
Speaker 1: His son played my son in his first movie, which

806
00:44:50,916 --> 00:44:53,196
Speaker 1: was weird because it was like I would have these

807
00:44:53,276 --> 00:44:56,116
Speaker 1: moments where I would look across and I would just

808
00:44:56,196 --> 00:44:59,116
Speaker 1: see Andrew's eyes, like they don't really look a lot

809
00:44:59,156 --> 00:45:02,316
Speaker 1: of like, but they have two same eyes and they're

810
00:45:02,316 --> 00:45:05,236
Speaker 1: both a total pain in the ass. So like, oh

811
00:45:05,316 --> 00:45:08,836
Speaker 1: my god, I'm like back in time. Oh well, it

812
00:45:08,916 --> 00:45:15,076
Speaker 1: was my youngest son, Um is an actor and started

813
00:45:15,156 --> 00:45:18,836
Speaker 1: his first movie this summer, big independent movie, well independent

814
00:45:19,156 --> 00:45:21,556
Speaker 1: big it is independent movie. And his dad was played

815
00:45:21,556 --> 00:45:25,836
Speaker 1: by Andrew. Oh my god. And so it really feels

816
00:45:25,836 --> 00:45:30,196
Speaker 1: like the like the matrix is about to break. Yeah.

817
00:45:30,236 --> 00:45:33,636
Speaker 1: I agree. My daughter Matilda has just started acting, just

818
00:45:33,716 --> 00:45:37,316
Speaker 1: did her first self tape and oh my god, and

819
00:45:37,356 --> 00:45:41,236
Speaker 1: it's so it's so funny because I feel like I've

820
00:45:41,236 --> 00:45:44,996
Speaker 1: gotten to the point now where you know, rejection doesn't

821
00:45:45,076 --> 00:45:48,116
Speaker 1: sting as much as it always did, because I, you know,

822
00:45:48,196 --> 00:45:52,236
Speaker 1: I've had incredible success. But like any actor, you you know,

823
00:45:52,356 --> 00:45:55,396
Speaker 1: you go through there's always somebody else that they want,

824
00:45:55,636 --> 00:45:57,716
Speaker 1: you know, no matter how much you do, there's always

825
00:45:57,796 --> 00:46:00,796
Speaker 1: that that sting of rejection. But I finally have gotten

826
00:46:00,796 --> 00:46:02,156
Speaker 1: to a place where I get a lot of my

827
00:46:02,236 --> 00:46:06,196
Speaker 1: creative you know, juju from somewhere else, and so I

828
00:46:06,196 --> 00:46:08,596
Speaker 1: don't really need it as much. Um. And then now

829
00:46:08,796 --> 00:46:12,836
Speaker 1: that my daughter's doing it, I feel rejections so much more,

830
00:46:14,996 --> 00:46:17,076
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh my god, now I have

831
00:46:17,156 --> 00:46:19,916
Speaker 1: to start all over again feeling all of this stuff,

832
00:46:19,996 --> 00:46:22,196
Speaker 1: and it's way worse when it's your kid. I don't

833
00:46:22,196 --> 00:46:23,676
Speaker 1: know if you feel that way, but I mean I

834
00:46:24,236 --> 00:46:27,956
Speaker 1: feel that way. Like how could anybody not just think,

835
00:46:28,076 --> 00:46:30,876
Speaker 1: you know, is and she's really good? I was really

836
00:46:31,236 --> 00:46:32,956
Speaker 1: That was another thing I was really nervous about, is

837
00:46:32,956 --> 00:46:35,476
Speaker 1: what if I have a an actor kid and they

838
00:46:35,516 --> 00:46:37,636
Speaker 1: just suck you know what? Am I gonna what am

839
00:46:37,676 --> 00:46:41,876
Speaker 1: I gonna say? Yeah, that's that's a real issue. I'll

840
00:46:41,876 --> 00:46:44,076
Speaker 1: tell you what. I freaks me out as all of

841
00:46:44,116 --> 00:46:46,556
Speaker 1: the self tapes because when we were when we were

842
00:46:46,556 --> 00:46:48,756
Speaker 1: in there was no self tape. I remember when it

843
00:46:48,836 --> 00:46:51,276
Speaker 1: was a big deal for them to have a camera

844
00:46:51,396 --> 00:46:53,676
Speaker 1: in the audition, Like they had to tell your agents

845
00:46:53,676 --> 00:46:55,636
Speaker 1: they were going to do it, you had to agree

846
00:46:55,676 --> 00:46:59,796
Speaker 1: to it. It was super frowned on. Yeah, it's like

847
00:46:59,956 --> 00:47:02,596
Speaker 1: you would always say, you know, she'll she'll do the meeting,

848
00:47:03,156 --> 00:47:05,636
Speaker 1: she'll do the reading, but she won't do the self tape,

849
00:47:05,996 --> 00:47:08,076
Speaker 1: or you know, or she'll meet with you, but she

850
00:47:08,156 --> 00:47:10,436
Speaker 1: won't read. I mean, yeah, there's all these rules about

851
00:47:10,436 --> 00:47:12,516
Speaker 1: it and the self tape. They would always say, Oh,

852
00:47:12,516 --> 00:47:15,276
Speaker 1: it's just for blah blah blah, it's just to see

853
00:47:15,276 --> 00:47:18,276
Speaker 1: the chemistry, or it's just for this, nothing's ever going

854
00:47:18,316 --> 00:47:20,276
Speaker 1: to happen with it. But of course, like they're all

855
00:47:20,316 --> 00:47:23,476
Speaker 1: on YouTube now, or you know, I just got, I

856
00:47:23,636 --> 00:47:25,796
Speaker 1: just got. I had to sign off to have a

857
00:47:25,876 --> 00:47:28,116
Speaker 1: self tape that I did, or not a self tape,

858
00:47:28,116 --> 00:47:31,916
Speaker 1: but you know, a videotape because they're releasing the the

859
00:47:32,476 --> 00:47:37,356
Speaker 1: behind the scenes for Labyrinth, which I auditioned for back

860
00:47:37,396 --> 00:47:39,996
Speaker 1: in the day that Jennifer Connolly got, and I was

861
00:47:40,596 --> 00:47:43,876
Speaker 1: part of me was really annoyed just because they told us,

862
00:47:44,196 --> 00:47:46,396
Speaker 1: you know, that these weren't going to go anywhere, and

863
00:47:46,396 --> 00:47:47,876
Speaker 1: then the other part of me is like, ah, fuck it,

864
00:47:47,996 --> 00:47:51,636
Speaker 1: I don't care. The outsiders auditions are out there a lot,

865
00:47:51,676 --> 00:47:55,036
Speaker 1: and they're they're so nut, they're so mental. My favorite

866
00:47:55,036 --> 00:47:59,916
Speaker 1: one is Kate Capshaw. Wow, and it's like so incongruent.

867
00:47:59,996 --> 00:48:03,396
Speaker 1: You're like, wait, that's Steven Spielberg's wife, and and they're

868
00:48:03,396 --> 00:48:07,836
Speaker 1: like and how old are you? And she good answer? Yeah,

869
00:48:08,076 --> 00:48:12,676
Speaker 1: those old auditions things are so crazy. I love Matilda Matilda.

870
00:48:12,796 --> 00:48:15,236
Speaker 1: I love that. That's so good. Maybe she and Johnny

871
00:48:15,236 --> 00:48:18,036
Speaker 1: can do a movie together. Yeah, how old is your son?

872
00:48:18,716 --> 00:48:22,796
Speaker 1: He's twenty five? Okay? And did you do the thing

873
00:48:22,836 --> 00:48:24,916
Speaker 1: where you didn't let him act for a long time

874
00:48:24,996 --> 00:48:27,556
Speaker 1: or were you always yea? Yeah, it's the it's the

875
00:48:27,756 --> 00:48:31,036
Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow rule. I call it. What's that? So? I'm

876
00:48:31,116 --> 00:48:34,116
Speaker 1: very friendly with the Paltrow family and have been since

877
00:48:34,196 --> 00:48:38,556
Speaker 1: Gwyneth was probably fifteen, and it was like patently obvious

878
00:48:38,916 --> 00:48:43,716
Speaker 1: that she was a sensation in waiting. It wasn't even

879
00:48:43,796 --> 00:48:47,036
Speaker 1: up for debate. Yeah, and you know, people throwing movie

880
00:48:47,116 --> 00:48:49,556
Speaker 1: roles at her modeling contracts. She's like a fifteen year

881
00:48:49,556 --> 00:48:52,476
Speaker 1: old gold doesn't She's like whatever, yea and I would.

882
00:48:52,596 --> 00:48:55,356
Speaker 1: And then when she find she finally did you know,

883
00:48:55,396 --> 00:48:58,556
Speaker 1: work and won the Oscar so early. I remember at

884
00:48:58,596 --> 00:49:02,516
Speaker 1: the party talking to her dad, Bruce Paltrow, who created

885
00:49:02,796 --> 00:49:05,796
Speaker 1: many great television ship series, and I had young kids

886
00:49:06,076 --> 00:49:08,356
Speaker 1: and I was fearful that they wanted to be in

887
00:49:08,396 --> 00:49:11,436
Speaker 1: the business. And I said, Bruce, what did you do

888
00:49:11,516 --> 00:49:13,716
Speaker 1: with one of like how did you handle it? And

889
00:49:13,716 --> 00:49:15,716
Speaker 1: he said, we just had one rule. She had to

890
00:49:15,716 --> 00:49:18,756
Speaker 1: go to college, and she did not act until she

891
00:49:18,836 --> 00:49:22,316
Speaker 1: was at least eighteen. And now, by the way, Gwyneth

892
00:49:22,356 --> 00:49:27,676
Speaker 1: immediately dropped out of college. But that was that was

893
00:49:27,716 --> 00:49:32,316
Speaker 1: the rule. I had with my boys too. The Paltrow rule. Okay,

894
00:49:32,356 --> 00:49:34,956
Speaker 1: well that's good. I wish I had known the Paltrow

895
00:49:35,036 --> 00:49:38,956
Speaker 1: rule because I have been I have been suffering for years.

896
00:49:39,036 --> 00:49:41,836
Speaker 1: Why won't you let me? Why won't you you know?

897
00:49:42,316 --> 00:49:44,236
Speaker 1: And I'm like, look, you can you can act, you

898
00:49:44,236 --> 00:49:46,596
Speaker 1: can learn to act. I got her teachers. You know,

899
00:49:46,636 --> 00:49:49,996
Speaker 1: I feel like I could teach somebody else's kid how

900
00:49:49,996 --> 00:49:52,396
Speaker 1: to act or or I could teach them to be

901
00:49:52,396 --> 00:49:55,596
Speaker 1: a better actor. You can't do that with your own kid,

902
00:49:55,676 --> 00:49:58,076
Speaker 1: or at least I can't. So I got her with

903
00:49:58,116 --> 00:50:00,916
Speaker 1: a really good teacher. And I'm like, you know, you're

904
00:50:00,916 --> 00:50:04,076
Speaker 1: just you just need to have a really big toolbox

905
00:50:04,156 --> 00:50:06,796
Speaker 1: because you know, maybe more doors will open for you.

906
00:50:07,076 --> 00:50:09,596
Speaker 1: But people maybe might be a little bit more critical

907
00:50:09,756 --> 00:50:13,116
Speaker 1: than they will with the average you know person. Um.

908
00:50:13,156 --> 00:50:16,156
Speaker 1: But I wish I would have known the Paltrow role

909
00:50:16,596 --> 00:50:18,516
Speaker 1: because that would have made my life a lot easier.

910
00:50:18,916 --> 00:50:20,876
Speaker 1: But it's hard though, Like if they get like a

911
00:50:21,596 --> 00:50:24,196
Speaker 1: somebody comes to them with something that's really great, You're like,

912
00:50:24,476 --> 00:50:28,516
Speaker 1: m there's something I want to ask you. Actually, please

913
00:50:29,356 --> 00:50:33,436
Speaker 1: turn the tables. Are you still married to the mother

914
00:50:33,516 --> 00:50:36,436
Speaker 1: of your children? Cheryl? Yes, Cheryl and I celebrated our

915
00:50:36,476 --> 00:50:41,836
Speaker 1: thirtieth wedding anniversary last week. Congratulations, thank you. Um, that's amazing.

916
00:50:42,436 --> 00:50:45,116
Speaker 1: So I'm sure people have asked you this before, but

917
00:50:45,316 --> 00:50:49,156
Speaker 1: what do you what do you attribute to the longevity

918
00:50:49,516 --> 00:50:52,716
Speaker 1: because I think, you know, especially in Hollywood, that's not

919
00:50:53,436 --> 00:50:55,876
Speaker 1: that's not so easy to ye to be with the

920
00:50:55,916 --> 00:51:02,076
Speaker 1: same person for for you know, forever, I always say

921
00:51:02,116 --> 00:51:05,836
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's that I believe it's Alfred Hitchcock.

922
00:51:05,916 --> 00:51:07,396
Speaker 1: It might have been another director, it might have been

923
00:51:07,396 --> 00:51:11,396
Speaker 1: Billy Wilder. But when they asked them, what do you

924
00:51:11,436 --> 00:51:16,676
Speaker 1: attribute the keys to a hit movie? And he said, casting?

925
00:51:18,076 --> 00:51:20,636
Speaker 1: And I think that's what it is with the marriage.

926
00:51:20,676 --> 00:51:24,676
Speaker 1: It's it's casting and you know, picking the right person,

927
00:51:24,956 --> 00:51:27,356
Speaker 1: you know, And I really believe that that battle is

928
00:51:27,436 --> 00:51:31,916
Speaker 1: won and lost right there, and you know from you know,

929
00:51:31,956 --> 00:51:35,876
Speaker 1: for me, Cheryl is and it was and is my

930
00:51:36,116 --> 00:51:39,676
Speaker 1: best friend, right and um, so no matter what, we

931
00:51:39,756 --> 00:51:43,636
Speaker 1: started from that place and and the rest of it

932
00:51:43,636 --> 00:51:48,596
Speaker 1: all followed. And so no matter what, that's the basis

933
00:51:48,636 --> 00:51:51,036
Speaker 1: when everything ebbs and flows. And look, you know, there's

934
00:51:51,276 --> 00:51:54,436
Speaker 1: good days and there's bad days in any long term relationship.

935
00:51:54,516 --> 00:51:58,156
Speaker 1: But if the baseline is best friendship, like like when

936
00:51:58,156 --> 00:51:59,996
Speaker 1: something good or bad happens, it's the first person you

937
00:51:59,996 --> 00:52:02,916
Speaker 1: want to talk to about or if you have I

938
00:52:02,956 --> 00:52:06,196
Speaker 1: remember I had one the ability to bring somebody on

939
00:52:06,236 --> 00:52:09,476
Speaker 1: a press tour around the world on a movie Andybody,

940
00:52:09,716 --> 00:52:12,276
Speaker 1: when I was single, anybody, and and and there are

941
00:52:12,276 --> 00:52:14,916
Speaker 1: times when I brought male friends and my best buddies.

942
00:52:14,956 --> 00:52:16,636
Speaker 1: And when I met char I was like, I'm gonna

943
00:52:16,636 --> 00:52:20,796
Speaker 1: bring Cheryl and and that's sort of one. I was like, Yeah,

944
00:52:20,876 --> 00:52:23,996
Speaker 1: if you have one seat on a worldwide tour and

945
00:52:24,316 --> 00:52:28,636
Speaker 1: you want that person to be with you, Oh, I

946
00:52:28,716 --> 00:52:32,516
Speaker 1: really love that. I'm I'm going on um next February.

947
00:52:32,516 --> 00:52:36,316
Speaker 1: It will be twenty one years with my husband no Yea,

948
00:52:37,276 --> 00:52:40,476
Speaker 1: who also, as you could see, was also my IT guy.

949
00:52:41,116 --> 00:52:44,596
Speaker 1: I love that. But yeah, I feel the same way.

950
00:52:44,636 --> 00:52:47,036
Speaker 1: You know. I really feel like if I was going

951
00:52:47,076 --> 00:52:49,276
Speaker 1: around the world, he would be the person I would

952
00:52:49,316 --> 00:52:51,236
Speaker 1: want to to go around the world with. And he's

953
00:52:51,436 --> 00:52:52,836
Speaker 1: he's the one I want to talk to at the

954
00:52:52,916 --> 00:52:54,636
Speaker 1: end of the day and you know, wake up to

955
00:52:54,996 --> 00:52:57,836
Speaker 1: in the morning. And that really has never gone away.

956
00:52:57,916 --> 00:53:01,796
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I feel really grateful for that. Yeah,

957
00:53:01,836 --> 00:53:03,956
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I'm happy for you that that is

958
00:53:03,956 --> 00:53:06,236
Speaker 1: good and you know, people listening is like, that's a

959
00:53:06,836 --> 00:53:10,436
Speaker 1: really good litmus test. You know if if the you know,

960
00:53:10,636 --> 00:53:14,476
Speaker 1: if it isn't that person, you maybe want to rethink

961
00:53:14,516 --> 00:53:16,916
Speaker 1: it because the rest of it comes goes whatever, but

962
00:53:17,036 --> 00:53:20,116
Speaker 1: that never goes away. Yeah. And also somebody that can

963
00:53:20,196 --> 00:53:23,156
Speaker 1: make me laugh. I mean he makes me laugh like crazy,

964
00:53:23,356 --> 00:53:25,956
Speaker 1: and that that's always been really important for me. That's

965
00:53:25,956 --> 00:53:30,076
Speaker 1: actually something that I realized about you because I didn't

966
00:53:30,076 --> 00:53:32,916
Speaker 1: really know you. I mean I feel like we had

967
00:53:32,916 --> 00:53:35,116
Speaker 1: all these people in common, but I didn't know you

968
00:53:35,196 --> 00:53:40,236
Speaker 1: until we did stand together, and I remember sort of like,

969
00:53:40,276 --> 00:53:43,436
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's so funny. Like I just thought

970
00:53:43,476 --> 00:53:45,396
Speaker 1: of you as this like good looking guy and then

971
00:53:45,476 --> 00:53:48,116
Speaker 1: you just made me laugh so so much. Do you

972
00:53:48,156 --> 00:53:49,876
Speaker 1: remember that scene that we had to do where it

973
00:53:49,916 --> 00:53:52,876
Speaker 1: was like the camera we all we had to respond

974
00:53:52,876 --> 00:53:55,116
Speaker 1: to something and the camera was like moving in really

975
00:53:55,116 --> 00:53:57,516
Speaker 1: fast and we had to be like, oh do you

976
00:53:57,556 --> 00:54:01,036
Speaker 1: remember that day? Yes? I do, you know. I think

977
00:54:01,036 --> 00:54:02,796
Speaker 1: we shot it for a hundred years. I mean we

978
00:54:02,876 --> 00:54:05,116
Speaker 1: literally show it was like it was a six month

979
00:54:05,156 --> 00:54:11,236
Speaker 1: shoot in Utah. Six months, yeah, six months, So um,

980
00:54:12,036 --> 00:54:14,076
Speaker 1: I had never We're talking about acting and acting learning

981
00:54:14,116 --> 00:54:17,476
Speaker 1: acting acting coaches. I was pretty much self taught and

982
00:54:17,916 --> 00:54:20,276
Speaker 1: started working from such a young age. I learned on

983
00:54:20,316 --> 00:54:24,716
Speaker 1: the job. But my wife, as is her want, we'll

984
00:54:24,756 --> 00:54:26,516
Speaker 1: say things to me like, you know, this is a

985
00:54:26,556 --> 00:54:29,156
Speaker 1: really good part, honey, thank you. Maybe you should get

986
00:54:29,156 --> 00:54:35,756
Speaker 1: an acting coach, thank you. I think. So when I

987
00:54:35,836 --> 00:54:40,636
Speaker 1: got the stand, I'm playing the character who you know,

988
00:54:40,676 --> 00:54:43,956
Speaker 1: can't talk, can't hear, and so she's like, this is

989
00:54:43,956 --> 00:54:46,636
Speaker 1: really an opportunity. So I went and I studied with

990
00:54:46,756 --> 00:54:49,036
Speaker 1: Roy London. Now Roy London, if you don't he was

991
00:54:49,596 --> 00:54:54,116
Speaker 1: the man in Los Angeles, Yeah, the guy, the guy,

992
00:54:54,356 --> 00:54:56,956
Speaker 1: and so he had I think Brad Pitt when he

993
00:54:56,996 --> 00:54:59,236
Speaker 1: was blew up with thumb and Louise was a big

994
00:54:59,316 --> 00:55:02,836
Speaker 1: Roy London. Sharon Stone from the Jump was Roy London,

995
00:55:03,436 --> 00:55:07,396
Speaker 1: Gary Shandling. And so I met with Royce. You know,

996
00:55:07,916 --> 00:55:09,596
Speaker 1: he says, send me the scripts and then we'll come

997
00:55:09,636 --> 00:55:11,916
Speaker 1: talk about them. I sent him the scripts. He reads

998
00:55:11,956 --> 00:55:13,956
Speaker 1: all the scripts. I come and sit with him and

999
00:55:13,956 --> 00:55:16,676
Speaker 1: he says, so tell me what you're thinking. And I said, well,

1000
00:55:17,036 --> 00:55:20,156
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. He's he's deaf, and you

1001
00:55:20,196 --> 00:55:21,996
Speaker 1: know I'm deaf in one year as well. I can

1002
00:55:21,996 --> 00:55:24,036
Speaker 1: barely I can't hear at all on one side of

1003
00:55:24,036 --> 00:55:26,516
Speaker 1: my head, so I mean, it might be an interesting

1004
00:55:26,516 --> 00:55:29,596
Speaker 1: thing where I get a device and you know, like

1005
00:55:29,636 --> 00:55:32,796
Speaker 1: a T T Titanus whatever, the tinitis device and put

1006
00:55:32,836 --> 00:55:34,196
Speaker 1: it in my ear so I could put a white

1007
00:55:34,196 --> 00:55:36,396
Speaker 1: noise in it, so then I don't hear, and he goes,

1008
00:55:36,596 --> 00:55:37,996
Speaker 1: let me just please, let me just let me just

1009
00:55:38,436 --> 00:55:40,036
Speaker 1: ask you, why would why would you want to do that?

1010
00:55:41,516 --> 00:55:43,316
Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean because he's deaf, and

1011
00:55:43,316 --> 00:55:46,196
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I understand that, but you're playing the

1012
00:55:46,236 --> 00:55:52,036
Speaker 1: parting you're not deaf. Yeah, he goes, why would you

1013
00:55:52,516 --> 00:55:58,876
Speaker 1: ever want to add another level of falsehood to your performance?

1014
00:55:59,116 --> 00:56:01,476
Speaker 1: Because I'm thinking about like people who are blind so

1015
00:56:01,476 --> 00:56:04,116
Speaker 1: they put a fucking mask on and stagger around their

1016
00:56:04,156 --> 00:56:06,516
Speaker 1: house for eight weeks, all that shit you hear about

1017
00:56:06,516 --> 00:56:10,316
Speaker 1: all the time from actors. And Roy's thing was that's

1018
00:56:10,356 --> 00:56:13,876
Speaker 1: exactly what you do, not do. And his thing and

1019
00:56:14,116 --> 00:56:16,996
Speaker 1: this is the most counterintuitive, bizarre thing, and by the way,

1020
00:56:16,996 --> 00:56:19,876
Speaker 1: I don't use it all the times, but he was like,

1021
00:56:20,196 --> 00:56:22,836
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is you here, So what

1022
00:56:22,956 --> 00:56:27,116
Speaker 1: you have to do is figure out why your character

1023
00:56:27,876 --> 00:56:31,116
Speaker 1: hears and chooses to let people think he doesn't and

1024
00:56:31,276 --> 00:56:33,156
Speaker 1: he goes, and of course you must not ever tell

1025
00:56:33,196 --> 00:56:38,836
Speaker 1: anyone Molly Ringwald this, this has been so fun. This

1026
00:56:38,916 --> 00:56:42,436
Speaker 1: makes my heart just swell and be happy. It's really

1027
00:56:43,076 --> 00:56:45,476
Speaker 1: really great to see you again, talk to you. I'm

1028
00:56:45,476 --> 00:56:48,916
Speaker 1: so glad. Congratulations on living your best life. As the

1029
00:56:48,956 --> 00:56:51,956
Speaker 1: kids say today, Thank you you too, and I hope

1030
00:56:51,996 --> 00:56:54,876
Speaker 1: that we get a chance to work together again, maybe

1031
00:56:54,876 --> 00:56:56,836
Speaker 1: in a Marvel movie. And I'll see you at the

1032
00:56:56,996 --> 00:56:59,676
Speaker 1: at the Marvel the super Secret Marvel Gem. I will

1033
00:56:59,716 --> 00:57:03,556
Speaker 1: be in the treadmill next. You hooked up to an

1034
00:57:03,556 --> 00:57:14,036
Speaker 1: ivy right, Thanks Molly, thank you. Well that was fun.

1035
00:57:14,196 --> 00:57:17,116
Speaker 1: She's so thoughtful and smart and it's always good to

1036
00:57:17,116 --> 00:57:22,836
Speaker 1: see somebody who's been there, done that and is living

1037
00:57:22,876 --> 00:57:24,876
Speaker 1: a great life and loving their life and in a

1038
00:57:24,916 --> 00:57:28,596
Speaker 1: great place and just legitimately makes my heart happy. I

1039
00:57:28,636 --> 00:57:31,076
Speaker 1: hope you had as much fun as I did. Okay,

1040
00:57:31,116 --> 00:57:33,356
Speaker 1: so before we wrap up for the week, I know

1041
00:57:33,436 --> 00:57:36,036
Speaker 1: you're ready, I know I am. It is time, Yes,

1042
00:57:36,076 --> 00:57:43,596
Speaker 1: it is for the lowdown line. Hello, you've reached literally

1043
00:57:44,196 --> 00:57:47,516
Speaker 1: and our lowdown line where you can get the lowdown

1044
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Speaker 1: seven zero four five five one so have at it.

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Speaker 1: Here's the beep, Hey, proub, this is a Dakota here

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Speaker 1: in Nebraska. I was wondering if you actually link the

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Speaker 1: Atkins products kind of looking heavily into that, you know,

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Speaker 1: low carb, high protein, low sugar. Two. Also, I want

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Speaker 1: to know how things are going with nine one loan Star.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait for the new season. So yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: Dakota in Nebraska is great. It could have been Nebraska

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Speaker 1: and Dakota just as easily. So thanks for the call.

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Speaker 1: Not only do I love the Atkins stuff. Like one

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Speaker 1: of the things when when I was talking about getting

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Speaker 1: into business with Atkins, because I've been eating the Atkins

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Speaker 1: way for for years and what Frankie wasn't even where

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Speaker 1: they had products at first was when they sent me

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Speaker 1: the protein shakes and they were so like literally like milkshakes,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, this has to be bullshit. It

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Speaker 1: has to be like these protein bars are so yummy,

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Speaker 1: they can't possibly be as good for you and have

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Speaker 1: the ingredients that they have, and they do. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a big believer in low carb life. It's

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Speaker 1: made a real, real difference for me. And same with

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Speaker 1: low sugar, although that's that's hard to beat. That's a

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Speaker 1: struggle that I one step forward, two steps back, nine

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Speaker 1: one one lone star. Thank you for watching. We finished

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Speaker 1: the year as I think the number two rated show

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Speaker 1: in all of television, two or three in all of TV.

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Speaker 1: So we will be back for a third season and

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Speaker 1: we will be back, premiering in January of this coming year.

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Speaker 1: We will not be back in the fall. We're going

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Speaker 1: to be in January on Monday nights, same place on Fox,

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Speaker 1: and really really super good stories coming up. I'm really

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Speaker 1: really excited about about year three and I love doing

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Speaker 1: it and I love that people are loving it as

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Speaker 1: much as they are. Thanks for calling. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: next week with more. Literally don't forget to subscribe. Hit

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Speaker 1: that subscribe button. It's very good for the Literally family.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much. You've been listening to Literally with Rob Lowe,

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Speaker 1: Produced and engineered by me Rob Scholty. Our coordinating producer

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Speaker 1: is Lisa Berm. The podcast is executive produced by Rob

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Speaker 1: Lowe for Low Profile, Jeff Ross, Adam Sachs, and Joanna

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