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Speaker 1: And today's episode is brought to you by my allergies,

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Speaker 1: which has contributed once again to my sounding like one

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Speaker 1: hundred year old grandma with severe emphasima. Honestly, I described

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Speaker 1: it as this way to Christina and Annie, which is

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Speaker 1: like it's a dying toad, which is what I imagine

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Speaker 1: that balloon had been smoking all his life.

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Speaker 2: You also said like a boy going through puberty. So

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Speaker 2: there's been a lot of fun descriptions.

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Speaker 1: It changes every day, because it's change every day. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I'm like, it sounds fine, and then I keep going

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Speaker 1: But with that, yeah, unfortunately, this is this episode. I apologize.

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Speaker 1: I am drinking lots of tea, lots of strone tea,

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Speaker 1: But hey, it's okay, we're here, so I thought we

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Speaker 1: would take time, and essentially I'm gonna interview you Annie.

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Speaker 1: But before we start, do you realize we're coming upon

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Speaker 1: my seven year anniversary of the very first episode we

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Speaker 1: did together, we released together.

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Speaker 2: I do know that, and you know why. It's because

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Speaker 2: you kind of officially started right before the pandemic and

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Speaker 2: didn't know, and that I had a moment of like, wow,

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Speaker 1: So I guess even though we were the originators, we

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Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: Because I think Kristen and Caroline, who were like the

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Speaker 1: and you. We're getting there. We're getting there. So happy anniversary,

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Speaker 1: my friend. Happy anniversary with that, you have been in

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Speaker 1: that that makes me nervous. It doesn't make you nervous. Yes, technically,

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Speaker 1: if anyone was an expert it would be you.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean in some ways? In all of

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Speaker 2: I'd me, I think some things have changed.

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Speaker 1: because you've seen those changes. We've been a part of

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Speaker 1: So with that, yes, you are an expert, not just

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I always say something always comes up, and

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Speaker 1: As many as we publish, as many times as we have,

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Speaker 2: And it was you know, an o to ruck then

433
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: Gay's work, obviously, but it was just me talking about

434
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 2: some of my anxieties on becoming the host. And I

435
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: remember very clearly, like talking about how I would go

436
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: back and forth about things that I thought, like I

437
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: used to bring in cookies all the time to the office,

438
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: and then I got in my head about like, oh

439
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: am I being like a stereotype and my plans? What

440
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: am I doing? And what does that say that I

441
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: was overthinking bringing in cookies to the office as a woman.

442
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: It was just kind of a discussion about that and

443
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: how those were some of the thoughts that were whole

444
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 2: me back, but also some of the things that I

445
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: wanted to to talk about. And Bridget was great. Bridget

446
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: was a great person to do an episode like that with.

447
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: We did do a practice episode before. Yes, it was

448
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: on The Final Girl, Yes, and I think that was

449
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: our second episode, but we did it twice. We did

450
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: it once. It's a practice and we had like a

451
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: vocal coach and everything.

452
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

453
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. But you know, when you come on as a

454
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: new host, as you know, Samantha, you kind of have

455
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: to have an introductory like here's who I am and

456
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: here's why I'm here.

457
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: Episode yeah, and you kind of already had on it.

458
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: But when you are you're obviously an overthinker, as you were.

459
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: First episode was kind of you being an overthinker. What

460
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: would you tell yourself from that episode to where we

461
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: are today, What would you tell your your younger self

462
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: in this hosting journey.

463
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: I would tell her. I would tell her to read more.

464
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: I would tell her to learn more. I feel like

465
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: a lot of the mishaps I had in my early

466
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: days was because I didn't know maybe some aspect of

467
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: a conversation or how something I said might sound, which

468
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: again shouldn't stop you from learning, like don't let that

469
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 2: make you freeze up or clam up. But uh, it

470
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: was over It was overwhelming in the beginning to think

471
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: of all of the books I should have read already

472
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 2: and hadn't. So I would say, don't let to young Annie,

473
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: It's okay, you don't know something, go learn about it.

474
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: And I also would say, and you know, I'm still

475
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: working on this. You do have a voice, and you

476
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: can't speak up, you can't interrupt, because I would get

477
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: so concerned that everybody knew more than I did. So

478
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, whilst they're saying that, then oh that must

479
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: be right. What do I know? And that's not good

480
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: for the host of a show.

481
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: The hard one to learn when you're not used to

482
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: doing that.

483
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially Bridget is so like I find her

484
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: so like inspiring, and she's so smart, and she's older

485
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: than me, and she's like been in the that world

486
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: more than I had, Like I'd been in the podcasting

487
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: part of it, but she'd been out like doing stuff,

488
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: and so a lot of times I feel like she

489
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: would kind of try to help me and I'd be like,

490
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: uh no, you know what you're talking about. And last

491
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: it was about Star Wars, and then she was like, go,

492
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: you have this one. But we were also like a

493
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: new podcasting duo, so that can take some time to

494
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: learn the how you do the outlines and how you

495
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: interact with each other. I don't know. There's a lot

496
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: of things. I guess stop trying to please everybody and

497
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: stop trying to be like the past host because you're

498
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: not them, right, Yeah, because nobody's happy at that point.

499
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: I think those are some of the big things that

500
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: I would tell my younger self when she first started.

501
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: It's a good one, some good things. I feel like

502
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: you're still telling yourself these things though.

503
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a slow learning process, but it is a process.

504
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: So what is something that you look back on and

505
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: that has given you pride in this work?

506
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: Hmm. I think it's it's a couple of things I do.

507
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: I've learned a lot I personally have learned a lot,

508
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: and I feel like I've grown a lot, and whether

509
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: that is through my professional work and what I do,

510
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: the confidence and what I do, just the books we

511
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: read and the topics we cover and hearing from listeners,

512
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: hearing from listeners and having listeners connect with what we

513
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 2: have talked about. I am proud of the book. As

514
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: stressful as the process was, and as much as I

515
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 2: like knowing what I know now might do things differently,

516
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: I was proud of that. And I'm proud of you, Samantha.

517
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 2: I'm working with you and that we have that conversation

518
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: so many years ago, and here we are. Here we are, Yeah.

519
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: Me and my gravelly self. Here we are as a

520
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: dynamic duo.

521
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: Yes, we support each other. When your voice is gone,

522
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: I'll just talk a lot.

523
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: Please I need to do. And with that, how much

524
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: have you seen change since you started Sminty to today's Well,

525
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: good question.

526
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, it is technologically a lot. Uh. I mean,

527
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 2: I wish I could show you this code. Maybe I'll

528
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: send it to you, Samantha. It was wild what we

529
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: had to do to get stuff published, and it had

530
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: very like you're entering code. I'm not talking about like

531
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: you press enter, you have to do the like specific

532
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: parameters as the person trying to upload. It was a

533
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: wild time. Uh. And then I think just the way

534
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: we record now is very different. Obviously because the pandemic,

535
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: we're doing it from home. But even so, I think

536
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: that's changed quite a bit. Some of the rules that

537
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: I'm used to that I still uphold no one else

538
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: does anymore. In terms of the show itself, We've discussed

539
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: this before, but it has changed from something that was

540
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,479
Speaker 2: what we call evergreen topics like why do women shay?

541
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: Or whatever? It is too much more varied topics, but

542
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: also news, a lot more news, a lot more politics,

543
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: kind of a more viewpoint when it comes to that.

544
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: And don't get me wrong, the past host same way,

545
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: they felt the same way. It's just the topic has

546
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: kind of the topics have kind of shifted more of

547
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: that direction. I once a bunch of those evergreen topics

548
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: get used up, and it makes sense, but it also

549
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: makes it kind of harder to bring back classics actually,

550
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: because the world has changed so much since a lot

551
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: of these conversations have happened. And sometimes randomly a listener

552
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: will write in about an episode that came out in

553
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 2: twenty twelve or something, and they're like, this, the weird

554
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: take is terrible, blah blah blah. I'm like, that came

555
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: out in twenty twelve, my friends, right, and I'm not

556
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: the host. I wasn't the host then, But also things

557
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: have changed since that time.

558
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: It's also weird when yeah, we get accusations about or

559
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: like even like redos, like people will repost old posts,

560
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: old episodes, and then people could try to confind it

561
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: and they're like, maybe that was like thousands of episodes ago.

562
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: Good luck.

563
00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I also we used to do that.

564
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: We would put all of our the links to our

565
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: research and the episode descriptions, and then because of all

566
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: of these moving pieces, basically the platforms we used to

567
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: upload things, it became harder and harder. So we stopped

568
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: doing that, and I wish we still did it, but

569
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: we try to keep them in our outline so if

570
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: you do want one, we can send it to you.

571
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: Some of them are pages long, so some of our

572
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: like just resources, pages and pages and pages. I don't

573
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: even want to think about my Princess Leiah outline. But

574
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: sometimes we'll get a listener and they'll ask for a

575
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: source on an episode from like Bridget's time, and I

576
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't have access to that because we've

577
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: gone through many hosts and the way that we have

578
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: our outlines and the like permissions and things that it works,

579
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: how it works. I can't get you that information. I

580
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: would love to, but I can't.

581
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: Right the way everybody did it was different too.

582
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we really didn't have a standard system.

583
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: Still don't panically.

584
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: Not really, but you and I know what you and

585
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: I and we specifically are doing.

586
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: But outside of that, Yeah, So do you remember our

587
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: first episode we kind of already talked about this, yes,

588
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: the title are We Failures? How did you feel about

589
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: that episode?

590
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: I remember, I remember enjoying it, like I thought it

591
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: was a good conversation. It was the start of our

592
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: like Trauma mini series and we were starting with again

593
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: kind of your intro of even though we didn't know

594
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: you were going to be full time at the time

595
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: of You know, we haven't met these goalpost yet. We

596
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 2: haven't met these things that people told us we should

597
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: have done already. And it is fascinating to look back

598
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: on now because I think like our perspectives have changed

599
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: since then, and you know, especially like speaking for myself,

600
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, forget those Goldfos girls.

601
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: Right right.

602
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: Part of that was we couldn't get to those points,

603
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like yeah, whether it was financially,

604
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: whether it was like emotionally, whether any of those things. Yeah,

605
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: we couldn't get to there. So it felt like we

606
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: were failing. Now we could possibly get to there, like

607
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: it's possible, we just don't want.

608
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: To, yeah, And I think that makes all the difference.

609
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but because at the time I did think

610
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 2: I was a failure because I hadn't done those things,

611
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: or at least a part of me did, because you

612
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: kind of reminded of it pretty consistently in society as

613
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: a woman, as a single woman especially, and so even

614
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: though I might not agree with it, might not actually

615
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 2: want it, I did feel it, whereas now I'm much

616
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 2: more actually I am good. And you know, at the time,

617
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: I hadn't come out as ACE yet, so I didn't

618
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: know so I those episodes, Yeah, I hadn't worked through

619
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: that yet. So it's it's a time capsule for sure.

620
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: But I think that the conversation is still relevant. I

621
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: think people feel that way, and there are certainly some

622
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 2: times where I still struggle with that feeling, but nowhere

623
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: near it as much as I did back then.

624
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: I feel like everything changed with the pandemic too. Yeah

625
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: it I'll go up without the window times to still

626
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter anymore. Yeah, yeah, pretty much, and

627
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: probably with like the state of the world honestly in general.

628
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we've already answered the question, but

629
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: looking back, like we realized, I mean, we knew it

630
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: then it just felt like the pressures, but we knew

631
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: we weren't failures then. But it feels like more honest now.

632
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. And I do agree with you. The

633
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 2: pandemic and the world's events really changed a lot of things.

634
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: I think that was a shift too when we started

635
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: getting TikTok, because it was during that point in time

636
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: two that was coming about, and it shifted from the

637
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: Instagram world where everything was perfect and you were competing

638
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: with everybody's like, oh, just look at what I'm doing,

639
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: how cool I am? And then TikTok all of a

640
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: sudden shifted that and be like, no, that's not real,

641
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: that's not honest. This is a real life, and we

642
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: all started realizing, oh, we're kind of in the same place,

643
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: whether it's we're all struggling because of this or we're

644
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: all changing because of this. But in like the Instagram days,

645
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: it was the perfect food picture, it was a perfect

646
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: travel picture, it was a perfect family pictures and somehow,

647
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: and not to say that TikTok is great, but that's

648
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: kind of shifted that narrative. And so millennials were real

649
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: honest about like, no, parenting is not great. If you

650
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: don't want it, don't do it. Like it was that

651
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: level that it started shifting away, and I feel like

652
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: we all came to be very again. And I think

653
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: something I had to do with the COVID because people

654
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: were showing more real life stuff of them struggling because

655
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: of COVID, more real life as struggling because of the administration,

656
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: Like that became more nuanced in that like, oh, we

657
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: these are catered to a specific idea, and because of

658
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: everything breaking loose and how the format was changing, we understood, oh,

659
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: there is no standard anymore, it doesn't exist.

660
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I went to the grocery store

661
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: yesterday without alebrawn. I never would have done that before, never,

662
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: But not like what who cares? Who cares?

663
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: Well? With that how do you think we've grown since

664
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: then or have we have we just become more comfortable.

665
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: I think we have grown. I mean, as I said,

666
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: when you get a new host and just a new dynamic,

667
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: there's a learning curve right there. And you know, we

668
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: had had meetings before then, and I think we had

669
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: a good rapport, so it wasn't like a shock or

670
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: anything like that. But it's just kind of learning the

671
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: new process, especially for you because you had never podcasted before.

672
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: So in the early days we recorded, we would research together,

673
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: and I think that helped. I think it also helped

674
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: that we we had kind of a it was a

675
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: mini series at that point, so we had structured like

676
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: where it was going to go. And then I think

677
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 2: when you came on full time, that's when I feel

678
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: like there was a more bigger learning curve actually, just

679
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 2: because we didn't have like a we didn't have a

680
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: structure anymore. The Trauma mini series was over, and so

681
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: we had to figure out what our dynamic it's going

682
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: to be without that, and and just how the research

683
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: process would work if we weren't researching together, like physically together.

684
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: I feel like we've worked. We still we do kind

685
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: of a hybrid. We do some episodes you research completely,

686
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: some my research completely, and some we like double tag team. Yeah,

687
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 2: but I feel like we've gotten to a better place

688
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 2: and especially like knowing who like who can tackle which topic.

689
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 2: Sometimes we mix that up, but you know, we've got

690
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: all We've got a variety of stuff we talk about here.

691
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: We do.

692
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: I think one of the ways that we were able

693
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: to acclimate better, honestly is when everything changed for everyone.

694
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: So it almost was like scrapping everything.

695
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: Then.

696
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't just because a new host came on. It

697
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: was because we were working from home. We were doing

698
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: from two episodes to five, Like it went from like

699
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: jump Jump ju Jump, and we were like, okay, literally,

700
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: it's like almost planning a brand new show with the

701
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: same things. Yeah, And it was interesting to like look

702
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: at it and then like we were trying to bring

703
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: hope and what seems like, I mean, we've talked about

704
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: this before with the listeners and the audience, like before,

705
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: like because our topic, and we even talked about it

706
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: as we are planning to do future episodes with sponsors

707
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: that want uplifting I would assume uplifting happy topics and

708
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: we're like with the world as it is, and the

709
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: attacks that we see is hard to be constantly. It's

710
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: hard to find the bright light sometimes the good good

711
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: points because it feels like it's a constant attack that

712
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: we need to be aware of. But like I feel like,

713
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: especially again with the pandemic and with how COVID went

714
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: and with how the administration was going at the time, time,

715
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: we were like, Okay, we have to bring hope in

716
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: this very bleak theme that we have, because not because

717
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: we're making it bleak, but because the way it is

718
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: being treated. Intersexual feminism, feminism in general, any kind of

719
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: equity and equality when it comes to diversity, marginalized communities,

720
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: it's hard to make it hopeful because the rest of

721
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: the world has kind of shifted in seeing that as

722
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: not you know what I mean.

723
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Being on a show like this one is

724
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: it does involve a lot of change because the news

725
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: is changing and because intersectional feminism touches everything, and so

726
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 2: it's difficult to balance. We don't want to ignore a topic,

727
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: but also we do want to bring that hope, and

728
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: even even in the dark episodes, we try to bring that.

729
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: But it can feel like a concern of people are said, well,

730
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: you're not talking about this where you're not doing this

731
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: or any kind of thing like that. And I can

732
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: feel it like personally myself, but it's it is something

733
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: we consider and it's it's something that does change with

734
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: the times.

735
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: We really had to try to figure out how to

736
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: balance all of that. It was really interesting because past

737
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: his host Caroline, we've talked about She and I have

738
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: talked about her past work and you know how it

739
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: affected her, and she talked about how one of the

740
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: things that she was so excited about when she left,

741
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: specifically this type of topic, is that she didn't have

742
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: to be as plugged in, Like not that she didn't,

743
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: not that she's just not aware, and not that she's

744
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: not like understanding the depth of it, but being constantly

745
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: aware of all of the like being on top of

746
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: all of the news, and most of the news is

747
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: not good and most of the news feels like it's

748
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: just fighting constantly and bad news. Like being able to

749
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: unplug from that for a minute, she was like, Oh

750
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: my god, I'm a whole different person, and like knowing

751
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 1: what we do, we're constantly like I'm constantly being fed

752
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: information about all the dark stuff and all the gross stuff,

753
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: and we're talking there just like deaths and like you know,

754
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: sexual harassment, like right now, that's all of our media

755
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: and we're like realizing having to try to balance that

756
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: with good mental health so we can keep going. That's

757
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: been a learning curve in itself.

758
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and once again one that we've been attempting since

759
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: the beginning, because when we did our Trauma mini series

760
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: when you first started, at the end of every episode,

761
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: we had kind of a what are you doing to

762
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: take care of yourself? What are you doing? And every

763
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: guest we have that's like involved in activism, we ask

764
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: them and almost every one of them doesn't have a

765
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: great answer. Sometimes people come in with a great answer,

766
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: usually though they're like, I'm not good at it.

767
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: That's the hardest question for them.

768
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: Typically Yes, So I think it's fair. We're all we're

769
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: all still earning that. And in some days, what I'm

770
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: trying to tell myself is some days I have a

771
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: really good day. Yesterday it was a really good day

772
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: for me. Some days I have a really bad day

773
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: and I'm not good at the self care part. But

774
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: some days I have a really good day, And so

775
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm trying to make those days more often

776
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: beside but celebrating when it's there. I was so happy,

777
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: I can't even tell you how happy.

778
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 3: Was amazing and maybe a cat come in your way.

779
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: What some advice you'd give to upcoming podcasters? As podcasting

780
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: kind of already changed, but some advice you would give

781
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: to them those who are still seeking to do this.

782
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: I would love to hear from new podcasters who have

783
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: found success. My big advice has always been, don't find

784
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: your idea, be clear on your voice, think about your audience,

785
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: who you want your audience to be. Don't try to

786
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: make something everyone will like. I think that there's a

787
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: chance everyone will like it, but don't keep Don't have

788
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: that be the thing like I said when I first

789
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: started and I was just completely flat because I wanted

790
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: everyone to like me. I would put a lot of

791
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: thought into that. And that's not to say it won't

792
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: change or can't change, but having that is sort of

793
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 2: your compass of this is how we're going to do

794
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: the episodes. I do think it's useful too do a

795
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 2: practice like bridget nine did or something like that. If

796
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: you're going with the co host from the last statistics

797
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: I read, Traditionally, co hosted shows are more successful, but

798
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: double check on that. But if you are going with

799
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 2: co host doing those tests and having those conversations and

800
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: planning it out, and then you know, if you don't know,

801
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: kind of learning the ins and outs of publishing, podcasting,

802
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: of editing, like who's going to do who's going to edit?

803
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: Is that? Are you going to get to the moment

804
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: where you and your friend want to publish it and

805
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: then you don't know who's going to edit it? Uh,

806
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: maybe you have a bigger team than that. I don't know.

807
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: But just knowing those roles who's going to do what,

808
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 2: and preparing yourself for criticism and let it unless it's constructive,

809
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: let it slide off your back. Do not let that

810
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 2: get to you. So I promise you it will breaking down.

811
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: It is a real, real learning curve. I mean, the

812
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: things I have heard about myself unnecessarily do unnecessary I

813
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: don't need. I don't need that, So preparing for that

814
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 2: and it's that's okay. Unfortunately that's well, it's not okay.

815
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: But unfortunately that's the internet like landscape we live in.

816
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 2: So it's gonna happen, especially depending on the topic.

817
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: True, it's true, Oh, gosh, well, I was gonna say,

818
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about the future. You love a good prediction.

819
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: I loved what do you think is the future of

820
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: podcasting and specifically our show.

821
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 2: Oh No, once again the pandemic burned me on this,

822
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: so we did our prediction episode in twenty twenty never again.

823
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 2: That will never be a classic. I will never listen

824
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: to it. It's horrible.

825
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: Now they're gonna be people going to try to go

826
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: find it.

827
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: Don't do it, listeners, It's gonna make you sad. We

828
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: were very because you were so whole. Don't do it. Well,

829
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: I kind of I'm not sure about the future of

830
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: podcasting because just today I had a thought. But where

831
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: I was watching, I still get ads somehow. I'm like

832
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: one of the few people I know that I as

833
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: an AD came up and it was a video podcast

834
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: ad and I was like, wow, now this has gotten

835
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: so far. It's a commercial, It's made it all the

836
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: way here. So there's a part of me which we've

837
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: discussed before. And I actually have a really funny memory

838
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: of being in New Orleans and we were at a

839
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: bar and me and Lauren and Dylan who was Dylan

840
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: used to produce Spinty and they had an SNL on

841
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: in the back and it was a sketch about the potties,

842
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: which was like the Podcasting Awards, and they were making

843
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: fun of how many podcasts there are. And that was

844
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: years ago, twenty eighteen, and just this explosive growth of podcasts.

845
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's like, I don't think it's sustainable.

846
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to burst. I'm not

847
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: sure they're very popular. I don't think they're going to

848
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: go away, but I'm not sure if there's going to

849
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: be kind of a diminishing or if you'll just keep

850
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 2: going and going, and who knows, who knows. For our

851
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 2: podcast specifically, I think that we're going to keep doing

852
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: what we're doing. I think we've been doing a really

853
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: good job on interviews and just the wide range of

854
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 2: topics we cover, and potentially there will be some travel involved.

855
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: The world feels very uncertain right now, so I don't

856
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: think seems to be.

857
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: Able to stand still. But yeah, yeah, we'd like to

858
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: get to that point. And with that, I was thinking,

859
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: because I know we have some of the best listeners

860
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: and supporters, one we would love to hear from y'all

861
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: about what you would like to see a little more of,

862
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: a little less of all those things, because we love

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Speaker 1: good suggestions. But maybe Annie, do you think can you

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Speaker 1: think of things that the listener, how the listener could

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Speaker 1: support us as well? Maybe?

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Speaker 2: Well, listeners, we love you. We would not be here

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Speaker 2: without you. And I just want to say I want

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Speaker 2: to apologize first, because if you've been listening to this show,

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Speaker 2: you know I kind of went into a deep depression

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Speaker 2: in November. I went into a deep depression in November,

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Speaker 2: and then in January I became hyper fixated. And I

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Speaker 2: am coming out of it. But the listener mail, I

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Speaker 2: have been not answering as well as I normally do,

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Speaker 2: but I have plans to start doing it again. This

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Speaker 2: is why yesterday it was so exciting when I was

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Speaker 2: like doing a very basic thing, like you can care

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Speaker 2: of myself. I feel like I'm coming out. I like

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Speaker 2: what was seeing the light for the first time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, please keep writing in. Don't stop just because

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Speaker 2: I haven't, or none neither of us have responded. Don't

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Speaker 2: stop doing that. We love hearing from you. We love

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Speaker 2: hearing your thoughts and what you want to hear. Even

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Speaker 2: if it's just like, hey, I feel the same way,

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Speaker 2: because it's sometimes this does feel like you're screening in

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Speaker 2: to avoid and no once hearing it. So we love

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Speaker 2: hearing from you. We are so we would not be

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Speaker 2: here if you were not listening to this, So thank

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Speaker 2: you for keeping up listening and downloading all of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: If you would like. We do have a book you

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Speaker 2: could support us that way, And we do have some

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Speaker 2: merchandise at Cotton Bureau and it's it looks pretty good,

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Speaker 2: so you can check that out.

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Speaker 1: I ordered a few things. I got a cute, very

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Speaker 1: soft T shirt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I really like it. They're not technically a sponsor,

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Speaker 2: I guess, but no, our merchandise is there, so yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, getting to know our name, yeah, and anything

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Speaker 1: with like future events also one of the things that

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, we have so many, so many amazing guests.

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Speaker 1: So if y'all can help spread the word, especially when

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Speaker 1: we're doing some of these amazing interviews and they take

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Speaker 1: the time to come and talk to us, we love

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Speaker 1: when you do that because I know I definitely get

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Speaker 1: a lot of notices on social media showing that y'all

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Speaker 1: are reposting or liking and we did not respond because

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Speaker 1: I have become real bad about social media. I hate

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Speaker 1: it with a passion so much, especially because I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm going to say the wrong things, do the

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Speaker 1: wrong things, or you know, all the maybe not enough things.

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Speaker 1: So I definitely just avoid it altogether. But I see

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Speaker 1: y'all have tagged us when we're on your Spotify top

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Speaker 1: podcast listeners. All of that that warms our heart. We

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Speaker 1: do see it. Keep letting us know, even though we

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Speaker 1: sell like the bad friend who is stucking depress us

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Speaker 1: where we just look at the message and move on,

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Speaker 1: we do read them. It just might take us a

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Speaker 1: minute to get back to you, but it is so

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Speaker 1: encouraging to see. And also letting us know what you

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Speaker 1: do and don't like that really does help, especially like

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Speaker 1: I said, like Ay said, constructive criticism really helps us

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Speaker 1: and helps shape these episodes help shape what we do

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Speaker 1: and we're trying. I can't say the like used to

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Speaker 1: throw the word around of relevant, trying to make relevant

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Speaker 1: content and relevant things we still want to know because

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Speaker 1: it's just the two of us sometimes so we get

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Speaker 1: into our own little holes. So having more perspective is

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Speaker 1: so helpful.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it absolutely is so thank you. I really wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be here without you, and we do love hearing from you.

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Speaker 2: I love a lot of game recommendations we've gotten. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that was very much appreciated, topic suggestions, and just some

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Speaker 2: people write in like I connect to this and here's

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Speaker 2: my experience, and thank you for taking that time and

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Speaker 2: for being here. Well, I hope you enjoyed that walkdown

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Speaker 2: memory lane. And I feel like I was just reliving.

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Speaker 1: My past so much.

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Speaker 2: Man, many twenty ten, that's when I.

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Speaker 1: Start talking about all the snacks.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think you actually did that.

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Speaker 1: No, in my the past episodes. I mean like I

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Speaker 1: was listening to the past episodes because I was like

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Speaker 1: going back, and I was like, I really was obsessed

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Speaker 1: with our.

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Speaker 2: Snacks they had. We had good snacks.

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Speaker 1: It was good snacks, and they had our lunches and

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Speaker 1: breakfast once a week and I would go in just

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Speaker 1: for that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, man, our new office does not have good snacks.

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Speaker 2: There's many reasons we don't go into the new office, and.

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Speaker 1: That is one.

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Speaker 2: That is one didn't have enough water either. Anyway, I

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Speaker 2: hope B isn't listening to this one. Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 2: the message. That's the message. Tell us what your office

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Speaker 2: situation is. Listeners if you have one, you can email

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Speaker 2: us at Hello, at stuff Whenever Told You dot Com.

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Speaker 2: You can find us on Blue Sky at mom Stuff podcast,

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Speaker 2: or on Instagram and TikTok at stuff one Never Told You.

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Speaker 2: We might not answer, but the message will be read

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Speaker 2: it maybe one day answered. Yes, very much appreciated. You

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Speaker 2: can also find us on YouTube. And yes we do

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Speaker 2: have some merchandise at Cotton Bureau. And yes we do

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Speaker 2: have a book you can get where you get your books.

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Speaker 2: Thanks as always too, our super Christine, our executor priser

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Speaker 2: My and our contributor Joey.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, We love you, Yes, we.

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Speaker 2: Love all of them, and thanks to you for listening.

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