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Speaker 1: Jalen Suggs is now identifiable. You have an emotional connection.

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Speaker 1: He's got a story. What did Lebron's agent Rich Paul

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Speaker 1: tell us a couple of weeks ago on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: You want to make it big, you want to make

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Speaker 1: Jalen Green was a great high school player. He went

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Speaker 1: straight to the G League. No idea who he is,

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Speaker 1: don't watch his games. Jalen Suggs on the virtue of

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Speaker 1: that performance against UCLA, the block, the bounce pass, the

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Speaker 1: game winner is now an event. Jalen Suggs is now

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Speaker 1: a story. Jalen Suggs is now somebody you can't wait

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Speaker 1: to watch. Professionally, the G League can't give you that platform.

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Speaker 1: When Suggs banked in the game winner, he made himself

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Speaker 1: several million dollars from a shoe deal, asked Ian Williamson,

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Speaker 1: shoe explodes. He becomes a story. Too often, the NBA

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Speaker 1: dismisses the platform that is college basketball. Sure, make a

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Speaker 1: few hundred thousand dollars and go to the G League,

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Speaker 1: but nobody watches you play. To me, it's short sighted.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Suggs now is an identifiable player that you will

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Speaker 1: know in the draft. You will root four once he

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Speaker 1: why college football dominates. You have these visceral connections watching

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield play for several years. College basketball is too

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Speaker 1: often dismissed. And I get that it's not for everybody,

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Speaker 1: but that game, and that story and that platform in

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Speaker 1: that moment cannot be rivaled by playing in Australia or

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Speaker 1: playing in the G League. Go ahead, make a couple

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. To me, if you can go to college,

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Speaker 1: go to a good program, get a great coach, and

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Speaker 1: Jalen sugs Well. I love my first guest today, Terry Stotts,

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Speaker 1: not only because he coaches the Blazers. He had coached

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Speaker 1: He want a title as an assistant beating Lebron in

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Speaker 1: the Heat with the MAVs. And it's funny. Having worked

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Speaker 1: Terry won his five hundredth game and he now joins us.

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Speaker 1: You know when I watched that, And it's interesting because

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Speaker 1: getting to five hundred wins Terry in the NBA is hard. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's the best coaching in the world, and this league

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Speaker 1: second level. But I played in Italy, Spain, and France.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed each country in their own way, all three

426
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Speaker 1: of them great food, I learned the language in all

427
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Speaker 1: three countries, great people. It was a great experience. I

428
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Speaker 1: didn't make as much money. I kind of missed the

429
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Speaker 1: money boom, but I had a great experience. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk about facing Lebron now and the Lakers. They're a

431
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Speaker 1: very big basketball team. They add Andre Drummond, who's just

432
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Speaker 1: a rebounding force. He's still, by the way, twenty seven.

433
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Speaker 1: It's amazing to read social media people say, oh, the

434
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Speaker 1: guy couldn't do this and that in Detroit. I'm like,

435
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: he's a kid, He's an All Star. He's a kid

436
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Speaker 1: that is a big lineup. Eighty comes back Andre Drummond, Lebron,

437
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Speaker 1: Is there even away to defend this Lakers team? Is there?

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, they're gonna win some games. You're not

439
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Speaker 1: gonna stop them. But is there a way that you

440
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Speaker 1: prefer to play them with that size? It's difficult, there's

441
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Speaker 1: no question. You know, we beat them in game one,

442
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Speaker 1: and to be honest, they're very similar to last year

443
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Speaker 1: and we beat them in one. In the playoffs. Um,

444
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Speaker 1: the thing about the playoffs, you just got being four times.

445
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Speaker 1: You don't have to beat him, you know, you don't

446
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Speaker 1: have to beat him, saying, and that goes for anybody

447
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Speaker 1: besides the Lakers. But look, any team that has the

448
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Speaker 1: healthy Lebron is going to be difficult to beat no

449
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Speaker 1: matter who they put around him. He makes players better.

450
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Speaker 1: A D is probably the best compliment to a D

451
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Speaker 1: that to Lebron that he's ever had, and you can

452
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Speaker 1: and the best obviously it's worked for a D. So

453
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: it is a challenge, no question, But that's part of

454
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Speaker 1: the that's part of the fun of playing in a

455
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Speaker 1: playoff series or preparing for a regular season game is

456
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out a way to to have success

457
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Speaker 1: against whoever you're playing. You know, in all your years,

458
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Speaker 1: you've coached with Rick Carlisle, you've coached against him, You've

459
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Speaker 1: coached against Spoelstra. I mean, it's it's the best coaching

460
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Speaker 1: in the world. What coach Situationally, two minutes left down

461
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Speaker 1: the stretch, who's the coach in this league? You've really

462
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Speaker 1: you just know you're in for a dog fight because

463
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be clever, He's got I always think Spoelstra

464
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Speaker 1: was way underrated. But is there a coach er too

465
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Speaker 1: that you think, situationally is as tough as anybody. Well,

466
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Speaker 1: I will say this, and you said, I think the

467
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Speaker 1: coaching in the NBA is outstanding, and usually the best

468
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Speaker 1: coaches are the ones with the best players. First of all,

469
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Speaker 1: so you know Pop, Pops has been a master in

470
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Speaker 1: getting backdoors and getting back getting a three when they

471
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Speaker 1: need it. So and he's had some really good players.

472
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Speaker 1: But I think situationally you have to look at Pop

473
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Speaker 1: as being the one one of the best, and is

474
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Speaker 1: he what is his secret sauce? I think he first

475
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Speaker 1: of all, they're all tied INDs whatever they He's had

476
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Speaker 1: some great players, great experienced players. And I'm going to

477
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Speaker 1: obviously to the Duncan Genoble Parker era where they knew how,

478
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Speaker 1: they knew how to read each other, whether it's a

479
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Speaker 1: bat backdoor. They had their pet plays getting a three

480
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Speaker 1: point shot on the week side. It was about the

481
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Speaker 1: timing of when you knew those plays were coming. You

482
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Speaker 1: just didn't know when, and they execute. They had great

483
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Speaker 1: fundamental players. And you know, I've been to some of

484
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Speaker 1: some of Pop's practices with the year I was out

485
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Speaker 1: of coaching. But he does a great job of never

486
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Speaker 1: discarding the fundamentals of what's important to have team success.

487
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Speaker 1: Is that hard sometimes in the NBA, when players are

488
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Speaker 1: so skilled and don't have to be perfect fundamentally to

489
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Speaker 1: get twenty eight, it is it is, you know, moving

490
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Speaker 1: without the ball so many players. I think more and

491
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Speaker 1: more and I'm starting to age myself a little bit

492
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Speaker 1: and date myself. But you know, moving without the ball,

493
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Speaker 1: setting up a cut, setting up a backdoor. So many players,

494
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Speaker 1: younger players are used to having the ball in their hands,

495
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Speaker 1: and that's how they've had their success. So I thought

496
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Speaker 1: Pops teams really moved well without the ball. They set

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Speaker 1: themselves up and they had great passing. And players today

498
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: are so talented with the ball, dribbling, passing, shooting, that

499
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Speaker 1: the other part off the ball, the screening, the cutting,

500
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Speaker 1: sometimes gets lost. You know. Obviously Lebron's a great player.

501
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Speaker 1: But I remember talking to Dominique one time, Dominique Wilkins,

502
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Speaker 1: and I said, it was Michael Jordan, the hardest guy

503
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Speaker 1: you ever garden. He said, no, he said, athletically, I

504
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: loved guarding him. I said, who was hard? And Dominique said,

505
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Speaker 1: I could not sleep the night before I faced Bernard

506
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Speaker 1: King he goes. I threw everything at him, he said,

507
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Speaker 1: Bernard just he scored as much as he wanted to

508
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Speaker 1: on me. Go back to either your playing or coaching career.

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Speaker 1: A player that I and I love Bernard King. Growing

510
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Speaker 1: My two most underrated players in league history are Gus

511
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Speaker 1: Williams and Bernard King. Who didn't get that? You know,

512
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: Bernard had injuries. Gus played up in Seattle. I told

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Speaker 1: Paul Silas that once. He said, you should have seen

514
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Speaker 1: Gus at practice. You remember Gus just the wizard of course, yeah,

515
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Speaker 1: watching them win the championship. You know that was in

516
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Speaker 1: your heyday as well, but he got buckets. Who's a

517
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Speaker 1: player that would surprise me if I said, Terry, hard

518
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: to prepare for, difficult to match up with throughout your career.

519
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: It could be a George Gervin, a Bernard King, just

520
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Speaker 1: somebody that jumps out that's maybe not the face of

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Speaker 1: the league, wildly underappreciated. You know the name that comes

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Speaker 1: to me and they're you're right, there are a lot

523
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Speaker 1: of guys like that. But the name that comes to

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Speaker 1: me is Alex English. Oh God, I knew it. I

525
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: knew it. I mean those teams in Denver and I

526
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Speaker 1: wasn't in the NBA, But I mean you had Kekey

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Speaker 1: Vandway and Alex English and Doug mo coaching them, and

528
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: they just they moved, they passed, they cut. I can't

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Speaker 1: that team would have so much success in today's game

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Speaker 1: because of how they move and pass. They would score.

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Speaker 1: They would score a bunch Alex. Alex was one of

532
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Speaker 1: my assistants in Atlanta, but he might be one of

533
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Speaker 1: the more underappreciated Hall of Fame players out there. You know,

534
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Speaker 1: it's so funny. I'm literally laughing. I have referenced him before.

535
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: I said, if you're twenty thirty years old, because he

536
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: wasn't a dunker. He was kind of read thin, shot

537
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: the ball above his head. And not all the games

538
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Speaker 1: Terry were on TV, so I would be the Seattle

539
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: Times box score. He dropped like thirty two every other night,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, who is he? Who's Alex? You know

541
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Speaker 1: there was another player that was a different kind of

542
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Speaker 1: player named Walter Davis for the Suns, right, another incredibly

543
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Speaker 1: KG player that just never got his due because back

544
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: then the games weren't on television. So the Paul Westfall's

545
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Speaker 1: the Alex English is by the way. Kekey Vandaway is

546
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Speaker 1: another guy that dropped. Oh exactly exactly. I mean you

547
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: talk about a fundamental player who could shoot, pass, cut screen.

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00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: You know, he basically what every player is doing now

549
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: with the step back. That's what Keki almost invented, the

550
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: step back. I mean his footwork was outstanding. And like

551
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: I said, you put Keki and Alex English together on

552
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: the same team with that style of play, it was

553
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: it would be hard to guard. And like you're right,

554
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to see him that much.

555
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: You know, I'd see clips and but it's not like

556
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: today where you could just sit and watch Alex English

557
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: every night. Finally, Terry, I think, are you six right

558
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: now in the West? If I recall six, I think

559
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: so the key in this league is being healthy, which

560
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: you can't control, and being in a rhythm. Where is

561
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: Portland today? Well, we're getting healthy, you know. NRK's been

562
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: back for use of Nurkshi has been back for a

563
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: week and his minutes he's on Ministry six or night

564
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: right now. But he's getting healthy. CJ. McCollum's been back.

565
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: We just had a Norman Powell, so our health is

566
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: coming back. We withstood the injury bug with those two guys,

567
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: and we're still in good spot. I think we're in

568
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Speaker 1: a good rhythm. We're gonna have a good test. You know,

569
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: we play the Clippers coming up, We play Utah coming up.

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00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: Our second half of the season is going to be tough.

571
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Speaker 1: But you know, I think we're in a good rhythm

572
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: right now. We won four in a row on the road,

573
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Speaker 1: had a good win last night. But the tests are

574
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: coming in. You know, things can change on a dime.

575
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: You know, you can have a rhythm one day and

576
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: then be gone the next and vice versus. So we're

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Speaker 1: in a good place right now. I kind of feel

578
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: there are certain teams in this league. Utah's won. You're

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Speaker 1: another where you've been running the same system for years

580
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: and even though it's a condensed schedule, it kind of

581
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: benefits you. Or Utah where you don't get the extra

582
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: tape session this year, you don't get the team dinner

583
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: or the extra practice, but your team knows what you demand,

584
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: they know your system. Do you feel there are nights

585
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Speaker 1: where you face a younger team or a team with

586
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: a new coach. You're a tactical guy, but I kind

587
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: of feel like there are teams in the league where

588
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: the condensed schedule kind of worked in their favor, and

589
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: when you're healthy, I feel like you're a team like that.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to think that we'll see how it plays out,

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Speaker 1: you know. I do believe though, that we're forty fifty

592
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: games in and by that point, I think everybody kind

593
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: of knows who they are, you know, there's that familiarity,

594
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Speaker 1: you know. I always thought back in the Sloan Karl

595
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Speaker 1: Malone stocked in the era that they had an advantage

596
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: early on because they did they ran the same system,

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00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: and they you know, they could come out of the

598
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: gate h not missing a beat. I remember going to

599
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: Santonio's practice in OH seven after they won the championship.

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Speaker 1: They had everybody coming back and I was there for

601
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: a week and Pop almost didn't have to say a

602
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: thing because it was just everybody knew what everybody's supposed

603
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: to do. So I do think there's some advantages to

604
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: that early in the season, but I don't know now

605
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: so much. But you know, game, I think the way

606
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: Damon i I have been together, he manages the game

607
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: really well that it takes a lot off of my

608
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: play because we're kind of seeing the game the same way.

609
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: Two young players. I can't take my eyes off Luca

610
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: and Zion. When was the first time you saw Zion play?

611
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: And are you surprised how quickly he has become a

612
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: dynamic force? Well, first time I probably saw him play

613
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: was the first time everybody saw him when he wasn't

614
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: having much of a game that he hit three or

615
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: four threes. I think that was his first game maybe,

616
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Speaker 1: But obviously last year was a difficult year for him.

617
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: But what he's done this year when we play him

618
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Speaker 1: the first time this year is you know, you could

619
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Speaker 1: tell that it was all there. He's such a dynamic

620
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: force and just incredible. And you know, Don Luca has

621
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Speaker 1: been in a different way, just as remarkable. He can

622
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: hurt you in so many ways. Obviously two different style

623
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Speaker 1: of players, but two young players. It's amazing that the

624
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: impact that they have on the league already at such

625
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: a young age. Yeah, now that Luca can hit threes,

626
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: and I said this the other day, at his age,

627
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me if somebody said, yeah, I end

628
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: up being the second highest scorer in league history, I'd

629
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, you ever twenty nine points two for

630
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: eighteen years well the last time, so thankfully we have

631
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: the tiebreak with Dallas, but they beat us the last

632
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: game by forty and Luca had made his eight first

633
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: eight threes. It was you know, when he's making his

634
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: step back threes, it's because he can do so many

635
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: other things. It's it makes him a big trouble Terry.

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Speaker 1: Great talking to you and meeting you. Good luck the

637
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: rest of the way. I always have a soft spot

638
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: for the Blazers. And congratulations on your success, Colin. Thanks

639
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: for having me. I enjoy listening to your show and

640
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: watching your show, so keep up the good work. All right.

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00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: We got to bring in Chat Milman. Absolutely championship game tonight.

642
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: Gonzaga opened at minus five against Baylor, down to minus

643
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Speaker 1: four and a half. He's the chief content officer for

644
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Speaker 1: the Action Network. His podcast is The Favorites. We bring

645
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: in my buddy, Chad Milman. Let's talk hoops, all right, Chad.

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00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: For the first time ever in the history of the

647
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: Volume podcast, I pored a cocktail to have you on

648
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: the show. What did you pour yourself? Kettle club soda

649
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: freshly squeezed OJ sounds beautiful. I have a seventeen year

650
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: old son and during the pandemic. He got crazy into mixology,

651
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: and so every night during the pandemic, at about five o'clock,

652
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: especially in the first two to three months, he would

653
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: come up to my office or he would ask my wife, Hey,

654
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: do you guys want to drink? And he would go

655
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: to our little bar and he would make my wife

656
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: and I drinks every single night. It got to the

657
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: point where my wife actually said, I gotta stop drinking

658
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: because they're delicious and he's making too many of them

659
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: and it's become unreasonable. And now he'll like say, hey,

660
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: let's make a run to the liquor store. You might

661
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: be familiar with the one near our house. It's called

662
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: Maximum Beverage, and yeah, we're going in there. Just literally

663
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: this week he went in. He bought like two bottles

664
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: of bourbon, a bottle of Birch liquor, and tonight he

665
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: just made my wife this incredible drink that she's downstairs

666
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: getting slashed right now. And I'd hit him up here

667
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: and do this. By the way, Maximum Beverage is a

668
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: beautiful store. Do you know who the owner is. I'm

669
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: familiar with the owner. Yeah, And by the way, Colin Calhern.

670
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: It is an incredible establishment. Okay, so I'm taking the

671
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: Zags minus four and a half, and here's why. First

672
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: of all, I think Ucla is so tough. I am

673
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: blown away by Cronin and those players. How good would

674
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: they have been with Dashaun Knicks, I don't. I think

675
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: we look at that and think, you Gonzaga was off

676
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: and my takeaways, no, if they played again, it would

677
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: be the exact same game. I think UCLA would beat Baylor.

678
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: That's how good I think Ucla is. I can't explain

679
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: all of it or wrap my arms around it, but

680
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: I think it's a bit of a reprieve. I think

681
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: the scoring will be easier down low for Gonzaga now

682
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: Baylor's they're driven by their guards. But I thought the

683
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: toughness of UCLA's big, the ranginess, I think Gonzaga is

684
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: gonna get more comfortable and I think they're going to cover.

685
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: That's my take. You're a sharp what's your view on that? Well?

686
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: I agree with you that UCLA game was astounding, and

687
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: we talked about this in the podcast last week. Mc

688
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: cronin brought a style of defense and a style of

689
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: play to Ucla that is ananthema to the glamour world

690
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: that we are used to seeing from La and from Westwood,

691
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: and a high octane offense. This is a team that

692
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: can score. And you're right. If they had had all

693
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: their players the full complement of weapons, who knows how

694
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: good this team could have been. But they were so

695
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: tenacious and obviously they had a hard time stopping people

696
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: in the post. That's a virtue of sort of the size,

697
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: and Cody Riley was by himself. But that was an

698
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: unbelievable game, and I agree. As soon as it was over,

699
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, this number is going to move

700
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: in Baylor's direction, and if you like the Zags, just wait,

701
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: just wait for it to shrink a little bit more

702
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: because the value is going to be on the Zags

703
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: because of how well Baylor played and how close this

704
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: Ucla gon Zach game. So I have a source inside

705
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: the UCLA staff, a good source, and going into the game,

706
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: their takeaway was you gotta put a body on Gonzaga

707
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: because you'll hang with Gonzaga and they're fun to play.

708
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: They're up and down the court and players like that,

709
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: and you'll be like down three, down three, down three

710
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: and then you look up and you're down thirteen. So

711
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: Ucla is like, no, we're gonna walk that ball up.

712
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: We're not gonna get into a run because it's fun

713
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: and we'll hang with them, but what we have to

714
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: do is make every possession difficult. And I have this

715
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: feeling that Baylor, because they've got really clever guards and

716
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: they're athletic, they're gonna run a little bit with Gonzaga.

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00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: This game is gonna be a little streak here. I

718
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: felt Gonzaga Ucla was. It was punch CounterPunch, punch. They

719
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: just stayed on each other. I think this game is

720
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: gonna have runs and streaks Baylor. Baylor can go ice cold.

721
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: They are athletic enough, they're gonna want to run with Gonzaga.

722
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: They're old enough, they're gonna want So I think I'm

723
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: gonna take the over in Gonzaga. I think it's gonna

724
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: be entertaining, But I think the game's gonna be more

725
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: streaky than the Ucla. I mean, Ucla Gonzaga was ali frasier.

726
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean it was just nobody felt like they dominated

727
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: for a long stretch. So again, my takeaway is the

728
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: over and Gonzaga. So let's level set here. The game

729
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: opened Gonzaga as a five point favorite. It got bet

730
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: down to four and a half. It's trending towards four,

731
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: which means that bets generally are coming in on Baylor.

732
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: The game opened at one sixty as a total. It's

733
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: been bet down to about one fifty nine and a half.

734
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: And to me, you said it best. Ucla Gonzaga was

735
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: Ali Frasier. There was a moment I was on Gonzago

736
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: at minus fourteen. I thought they were going to run

737
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: him out of the gym, and I thought Ucla had

738
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: sort of caught the right team at the right time.

739
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 1: I obviously did not realize how good they had been,

740
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: and I should have been thinking about, wait, this Pack

741
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: twelve conference. They all showed and we all underestimated how

742
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: good they were. But there was a moment I was

743
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: texting with the buddy, we were both on Gonzaga, and

744
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: he's like, it's done. Our bets over. We're trying to

745
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: get out of it live and things like that. I'm like, listen,

746
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's over. Here's what's gonna happen. Because

747
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: Gonzaga Ucla had taken Gonzaga's punch and they were still

748
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: they'd played as well as they could, and they were

749
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: down by one at half. At half time, I said,

750
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: Gonzaga will be up by ten at the ten minute break.

751
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: It's gonna come down to free throws. At about eleven minutes,

752
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: Gonzaga was up by seven and it looked like they

753
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: were about to run away with it. And then all

754
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Cla just climbed. Cody Riley hit a

755
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: couple of shots like climbing, climbing, climbing. I agree with you.

756
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: That's all setting up to say. I agree with you. Baylor. Look,

757
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: they're three guards, and you got to stop Gonzaga on

758
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: the perimeter, right and in Butler, Michell Antigue, especially Mitchell,

759
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: like best defensive player in the country. On the perimeter,

760
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: they are going to have a hard time scoring. But

761
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: I do think what Baylor can't do is stop Gonzaga

762
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: down low, which is what UCLA couldn't do either. I

763
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: would agree with you on the streets. Here's some interesting perspective.

764
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: If this game had been played in December. They were

765
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: supposed to play in early December. Four months ago, Gonzaga

766
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: was a two and a half point favorite. The total

767
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: was one fifty five. Now Gonzaga opens about two and

768
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: a half points higher. The total is about five points higher.

769
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: I'm with you on the over, like you cannot at

770
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: this point in the season, with these two teams running

771
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: the way they do and Baylor regressing back to shooting

772
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: as well as they do, you can't not bet the

773
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: over in this game. You know it is there is

774
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: coaches look at tape, and you know, Mick Cronin looks

775
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: at tape and just says, listen, we can't get into it.

776
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: We can't. We got to walk the ball up. We

777
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: just don't have the NBA skill. And if you watch

778
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: the game, Gonzaga scored a lot of easy buckets early

779
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: easy meaning they were translating their dumps down low into points,

780
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: and UCLA kept hitting tough shots, and like you, about

781
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: eight minutes into the second half, I'm like, this isn't it.

782
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: This isn't drying up. They're just hitting tough shots. These

783
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: are good players. But I do think there's a psychology

784
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: where a coach looks at film and says, Okay, we

785
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: can do this, and we can't. I think Baylor will

786
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: look at film and say we can go up down

787
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: the court with them. We can go up and down

788
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: the court. I don't think UCLA ever felt that. I

789
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: think UCLA new Barkley said this too, like, if you

790
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: want to run with Gonzaga with UCLA's personnel, that's not

791
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: going to work out. I think Baylor feels they can

792
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: run with them, and by the way, probably can in spaces.

793
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: You know. The other thing I thought about, Chad is

794
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: that this Zaga team would be done without Jalen Suggs.

795
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: What's really interesting about Gonzaga is they've always been this

796
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: three star, occasional yuro four star program and they still are,

797
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: and then they inserted a five star player. If you

798
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: look at Jalen Suggs last night, that the difference, the block,

799
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: the bounce, pass, the shot. Yes, this is a Gonzaga

800
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: team that looks exactly like the Gonzaga teams that would

801
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: be now watching UCLA Baylor. But it shows you the value.

802
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: And this is really interesting because they've now just signed

803
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: either the tenth to the thirteenth best high school or

804
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: Gonzaga has they're in on two other players or maybe

805
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: it's one, meaning Gonzaga now is moving into that territory

806
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: of oh, we can go get a Jalen Sucks and

807
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: it's very interesting because you know that Mark Fuell get

808
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: criticized can't win that big game, and it's like, well,

809
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a top three pick. I mean, Carmelo

810
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: Anthony essentially just carried Syracuse to a title. And I

811
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: watched Jalen Sugs and I thought to myself, if this

812
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: is the new Gonzaga, so I get fuse coaching, three

813
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: star guys, great system. Oh and I get a star.

814
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm like the next I mean, this to me is

815
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: not random. It's like, is Gonzaga the next basketball power?

816
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: I think they I don't think it's next. Look they're

817
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: They're thirty one n O. This is a dominant team

818
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: that has won prior to last night, had won twenty

819
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: nine games in a row by double digits in the

820
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: Western Conference finals. In their in their conference finals against BYU,

821
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: they were down by double digits and then one by

822
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: double digits. This is already a dominant team, and this

823
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: will It's it's so interesting they win, They're going down

824
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: as one of the greatest college basketball teams of all

825
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: time and there will not be a Is this the

826
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: next basketball power? It is the current basketball power. And

827
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: there's nothing Duke can do about it. There's nothing North

828
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: Carolina can do it. Kansas can sign Bill self to

829
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: eight lifetime contracts, there's nothing they can do about it.

830
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: This team has established himself as a basketball power. And

831
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: you're right about Jalen sucks. He's built like a professional athlete.

832
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: He is not one of these eighteen year old kids

833
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: who comes in and is super talented, but as gangly.

834
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: And in three years you see me in the NBA

835
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, that guy is really filled out.

836
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: He's already filled out. And you mentioned the block and

837
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: the bounce pass right before that, because I was watching

838
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: this game with one of my kids and he had

839
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: a dribble drive, turnaround, fadeaway jumper stemmed the bleating for Gunzaga.

840
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: The next series down was the block and then the

841
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: bounce pass, and I said to my kid, this is

842
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: a sequence that defines the game and defines his career.

843
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: And then he goes ahead and hits that game winning

844
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Speaker 1: three which blows everything out of the map. But that

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00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: was him saying I'm ready for the moment. I'm not

846
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: afraid of it. He had been punched literally in the chest,

847
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: were struggling. He was magnificent. You know, I thought another story,

848
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't recall a Sweet sixteen. I

849
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: haven't watched this much college basketball in a long time.

850
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't even know why it is, because I do

851
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: think the sport is struggling with keeping its best players.

852
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: But I'll throw a you know, the two things jump

853
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: out to me, the fact that Calipari turned down UCLA

854
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: and couldn't get into the tournament and Cronan gets into

855
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Speaker 1: the final four. The second thing is I think too

856
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: often the NBA dismisses college basketball as a great marketing platform.

857
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: Jalen Suggs made himself an extra few million last night

858
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: because now he's a story. And that's how that's what

859
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: happened to Zion Shoe explodes. He's a story. That's where

860
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: Nike pays you more than lebronze contract. You don't get

861
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: that in the G League, Like I thought Jalen Suggs

862
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: was good for college basketball. Like if if I'm a parent,

863
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not getting that in the G League.

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00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: You're not getting that story. I will I will literally

865
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: go watch Jalen Suggs play in Los Angeles. Off that

866
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: game last night. I thought it was not only good

867
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Speaker 1: for Gonzaga. I thought that was a defining platform moment,

868
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: like college isn't for everybody. I get it, but you're

869
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: not getting that platform and that story in Australia, you're

870
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: not getting it in the G League. Just your thoughts

871
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: about how big the game was and it kind of

872
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: transcended college hoops. It just felt bigger than that. Well, look,

873
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: it is a game that college basketball needed. It's been

874
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: a really fun tournament. You've seen the Ohios, You've seen

875
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: the Abilene Christians, you've seen the Earl Roberts. They won

876
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: their games, but then it kind of played out. Cla

877
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 1: and Loola were the anomalies in this tournament, right because

878
00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: you were seeing generally Chalk was winning, Michigan advanced, Houston advanced, obviously,

879
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: Gonzaga and Baylor advanced, and so you need those moments.

880
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: What happened last night was such a great game. It

881
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: will go down in history. The challenge is going to

882
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: be did it go down in history for the shrinking

883
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: audience of people who just want to watch the tournament?

884
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: And it didn't. Were enough people who are not interested

885
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: in college basketball and not interested in what this experience

886
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: is watching to make them think I got to watch

887
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: more of it next year. That's the question. I don't

888
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: know that college basketball can ever be what it used

889
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: to be when it occupied the zeitgeist in the same

890
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: way because there are too many guys going to the

891
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: G League go in Australia. Look, my kids are fourteen

892
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: and seventeen. My fourteen year old does not care if

893
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: UCLA loses its top recruit to go to the G

894
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: League because he's still watching him play. He sees all

895
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: of his highlights on Instagram, he follows him on TikTok, right,

896
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: and so he doesn't care. He's excited to watch the

897
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: tournament that's in front of him. He thought last night

898
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: was amazing, but he's already captured. I don't know that

899
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: last night's game captured more people. It just kept the

900
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: people who already like it glued. All right, Chad. I

901
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: think I was gonna talk some masters, but I don't

902
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: want to. I don't need to talk anything. I just

903
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: I just I'm taking go to Action Network. I'm taking

904
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: the Zags minus four and a half. I'm taking the

905
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: over for the aforementioned reasons. And this cocktail be offes

906
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 1: with you. Let me show it to you A moment

907
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: it's done. Beautiful, man, I talked so much. I gave

908
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: you enough time to drink your entire cocktail. Well that's

909
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: the way it should be at this point in my career.

910
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: Fewer words, more money. I'm looking to be word efficient.

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00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna say, you're such

912
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 1: a professional. You can ask one question and then it's done,

913
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: and then like you just let the guest role. You know,

914
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: from this point forward, I'm just going to ask questions

915
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,479
Speaker 1: and get out of the way because it all pays

916
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: the same Melman True story before we go. True story,

917
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Speaker 1: many many years ago, I wrote a book. You know,

918
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: I've written several books, but I wrote a book about

919
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: a guy named Vince Papali who remember to be invincible

920
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: right in NFL history. So I wrote the book Invincible,

921
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: and I would go when I was at the time,

922
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: I was living in Montclair, New Jersey, which was in

923
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: northern New Jersey. I would take the New Jersey Turnpike

924
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: about ninety minutes to Cherry Hill, New Jersey, which is

925
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: in southern Jersey outside Philly, and I'd sit with Vince

926
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: Papali in his basement and I would interview him for

927
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: this as told to book called Invincible, and he would

928
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: tell me all these great stories about his life and

929
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: how he got to the NFL. And at the time,

930
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: my younger kid had just been born, and I'd go

931
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: down there and I turn the tape recorder, and sometimes

932
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: I was so tired after being up a night and

933
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: then driving, I would fall asleep in the middle of

934
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: the interview, and then I would bomp my head up

935
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: and Vince would be like, it's totally okay, dude, you

936
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: just ask one question. I'll just keep talking. By the way,

937
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: I think Greg Knear was Dick vermil in that movie,

938
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: if I recall, yes, he was. Yeah that things. Yeah,

939
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: look up that story, folks. Um that that's actually a

940
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: top ten sports movie. My favorite, great, great movie. Great movie.

941
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: It's a bartender. Um my favorite, not that anybody cared.

942
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: My favorite sports movie of all time is Miracle, I think.

943
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: And I'm not a huge hockey guy, although I do

944
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: watch the NHL playoffs. The other day I said my

945
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: second favorite sports movie it was a baseball movie. Oh oh, Moneyball.

946
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: Great movie. Oh my god, just an incredible movie. I

947
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: gotta tell you that movie. The book you wrote is

948
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: a top five sports movie. It is a great story

949
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: about humanity and the love of something. Just for people

950
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: that have never seen it, give the name of your

951
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: book and just tell them a backstory in this because

952
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. Go see the movie Invincible. It's amazing. You

953
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: don't even need to buy the book. Go see the

954
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: movie Invincible. Vince Papali was a teacher and coach in

955
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: outside Philadelphia, and he had been an incredible athlete. He

956
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: had gone to college on a track scholarship. He had

957
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: been a great pole vaulter, and he was playing semi

958
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: pro football and he was an amazing athlete, super fast

959
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: and by the way, in these leagues, guys like Joe

960
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: Cleco who played a temple and then went on to

961
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: be a great player with the Jets, he was playing

962
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: in these leagues too, so there were some pretty elite

963
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: players in there. But these are sandlot leagues, and he

964
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: eventually caught on. I think he got a tryout with

965
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: the World Football League and might have played a couple

966
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: of games, so he got some notice. Then there was

967
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: an open tryout for the Eagles when Dick for Meal

968
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: took over as the coach. He had come from UCLA

969
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: and Papaali was so fast. He made the team. He

970
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: made the team as this basically walk on wide receiver

971
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: and he was just a special teamer. He was the

972
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: gunner of gunners right, and he would go down the field,

973
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: he would fly, throw his body everywhere. He was fearless.

974
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: He's still at his age. Is such an inspiration to

975
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: talk to. He can. I had him come speak to

976
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: a speech for ESPN for about five hundred people. He

977
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: lit the room up. You could not get out of

978
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: that room and not think that you could tackle anybody

979
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: on any field at any time. And so he made

980
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: the Eagles and he was out of nowhere, this gunner

981
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: for three years playing for the Eagle three years. This

982
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: glorious story because he was a guy like he was

983
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: a Philly dude who made the hometown team and he

984
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: was a nothing. And obviously it's gone on to be

985
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: a great life for him because he became such a

986
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: folk hero in that town. And we both know, like

987
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: Philly is a town if you were going to make

988
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: it as a folk hero, that is a town to

989
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: make it almost all their heroes or folk heroes. Really

990
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: that's true, all right, Chad, great stuff. I think we

991
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: both have the zags. We both have the over. It

992
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: sounds like the Action Network is the place to go. God,

993
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: it's been fun. Can't wait for the game tonight or

994
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Speaker 1: we're doing this Sunday night, tomorrow night and thanks buddy,

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00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: all right, brother, tell you later. Remember to rate this

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