1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: All right, before I get started, I want to say 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: thank you to Mark, a Verizon guy from Staten Island 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: who finally got my studio up and running after several 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: weeks of moving into a very historic old house. So 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: thank you Mark, and here we go. We've all heard 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: the phrase, with great power comes great responsibility. Uncle Ben 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: said that to Peter Parker and Spider Man. Right. Well, 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: it turns out it was the basis for political philosophy 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: in Rome, Greece, medieval England, eighteenth century France, and a 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: whole lot of other places, including the US. So why 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: in the heck has there been so much corruption in 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: the world of politics. I'm Patty Steele. When power leads 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: to the abuse of power, that's next on the backstory. 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: The backstory is back. We're all wrapped up in politics 15 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: these days and it's nerve wracking, right, But it's nothing new. 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: Political and corruption are as old as people's desires for power. 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: Royals living in unimaginable luxury led to the assassination or 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: execution of emperors, kings, and queen's Abuse of power has 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: always been a no no. Even the Bible says, to 20 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: those to whom much has been given, much will be demanded. 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: Problem is, an awful lot of folks got away with 22 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: the abuse of that power and didn't have much demanded 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: of them in return. Now Here in the United States, 24 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: presidents aren't just the heads of state. They also run 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: the entire federal bureaucracy, so they have a huge boatload 26 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: of people that report to them, and when those people misbehave, 27 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: the commander in chief takes the heat, whether he was 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: personally involved or not. Andrew Johnson had the unlucky task 29 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: of taking over the White House following the assassination of 30 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: America's greatest and most loved President, Abraham Lincoln, but he 31 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: was known for his abuse of power, infighting amongst his team, 32 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: and financial shadiness, all of which led to his impeachment. 33 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: Then there was Ulysses S. Grant, a wildly successful general 34 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: during the Civil War, but less so as a president, 35 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: primarily because he was loyal to a fault to the 36 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: people he brought in to his administration. Not really a 37 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: bad guy, just not a great manager that included forty 38 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: members of his family that were given government jobs. There 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: are at least a dozen damaging scandals during Grant's years 40 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: in office. His brother in law colluded with robber barons 41 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: Jay Gould and James Fiske to try to corner the 42 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: gold market. There were bribery scandals involving everything from Native 43 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: American trading posts to whiskey distillers to the Department of Justice. 44 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: All of this undermined the important things he did for 45 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: the country, including advocating for the rights of both African 46 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: and Native Americans, as well as stabilizing the nation following 47 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: the war and the disastrous Andrew Johnson years. Now in 48 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: the twentieth century, we've seen scandals like a member of 49 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: President Warren Harding's cabinet giving private oil companies the rights 50 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: to extract oil and gas from federal land in the 51 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: Teapot Dome scandal. Then we hit the nineteen sixties, where 52 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: once again we see someone tasked with taking over as 53 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: commander in chief from a much loved and again assassinated 54 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: President John F. Kennedy. We're talking about one of America's 55 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: most complex and controversial presidents, Lyndon Baines Johnson LBJ. While 56 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: LBJ achieved landmark legislation like the Civil Rights Act, Medicare, 57 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: and his War on Poverty, there's the whole darker, less 58 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: talked about side of his political career, corruption, backroom deals, 59 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: and according to some folks, maybe even murder. It all 60 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: protected his reputation and rise to power. There are rumors 61 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: at LBJ, the thirty sixth US President, may have had 62 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: inconvenient people done away with in order to safeg his 63 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: political career. It's what happens when power and ambition override 64 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: ethics and decency. Johnson's rise to power had a rough beginning. 65 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: Born in rural Texas, as he moved ahead in politics, 66 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: he was known for his fierce ambition and ruthless approach 67 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: to getting his way. He had no problem using political favors, intimidation, 68 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: and arm twisting to get ahead, and by the late 69 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, LBJ had made a name for himself in Congress. 70 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: By nineteen sixty one, he was John F. Kennedy's vice president. 71 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: But before he became vice president, one of his closest 72 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: friends was a guy named Billy Solestes, a Texas businessman 73 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: known for shady dealings and scams, and LBJ was right 74 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: next to him. In the late nineteen fifties and early sixties, 75 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: Estes was involved in a huge fraud scheme involving federal 76 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: agricultural subsidies, but he was protected by his deep political 77 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: connections and including to LBJ, who was by then a 78 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: powerful senator and then a Vice president. As rumors of 79 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: ST's schemes began to swirl, a federal investigator named Henry 80 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: Marshall started digging into ST's subsidy fraud operation. He got 81 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: closer to uncovering the truth, and then in nineteen sixty one, 82 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: Marshall was found dead on his Texas ranch, five gunshot 83 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: wounds to the chest. The initial ruling, they called it 84 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: a suicide. Yeah, you heard me. Who the heck commits 85 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: suicide by shooting themselves in the chest five times? I 86 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: think one would be enough. Right. Marshall's friends and family 87 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: were suspicious, but the authority stuck with the suicide ruling, 88 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: at least for a while. That is so here's where 89 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: the LBJ connection comes in. Billy sol EST's himself testified 90 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: that Henry Marshall had uncovered too much about the money 91 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: scheme and also about lbj's involvement in it. He claimed LBG, 92 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: with the help of Malcolm Wallace, selbj's right hand man, 93 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: ordered Marshall's murder to keep him from exposing their involvement 94 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: in the illegal activities. Finally, a grand jury reopened the 95 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: case in nineteen eighty four, that's over ten years after 96 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: lbj's death. New evidence made it pretty clear that Marshall's 97 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: death was in fact a murder. I don't think they 98 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: needed twenty years to figure that out, though nobody was 99 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: ever formally charged. So that's the question. Did LBJ have 100 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: a hand in it? And was Henry Marshall just the 101 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg. Well, it turns out Malcolm Wallace 102 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: had been linked to violence and LBJ before. In nineteen 103 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: fifty one, he was convicted of killing a local golf 104 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: pro who had been romantically involved with one of lbja's sisters. 105 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: He was convicted of murder, but was given a ridiculously 106 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: lenient sentence. He got just five years probation, no prison time. 107 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: How did that happen? Some think it was thanks to 108 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: his powerful connections to Lyndon Johnson. Wallace continued his tight 109 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: knit relationship with LBJ for years, and his name comes 110 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: up in another accusation involving the murder of President John F. Kennedy. 111 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: It's hotly debated, but there are folks who think LBJ, 112 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: in his intense ambition to become president, played a key 113 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: role in JFK's assassination. The theory is that by nineteen 114 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: sixty three, LBJ, as vice president had little power, and 115 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: there were rumors that Kennedy was going to drop him 116 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: from the ticket in his upcoming nineteen sixty four reelection bid. 117 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: Could it be that Johnson, with the help of people 118 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: like Malcolm Wallace, conspired to have Kennedy removed permanently. Some 119 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: believe that Wallace's fingerprints were found on boxes in the 120 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: Texas school book Depository, where, of course, Lee Harvey Oswald 121 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: took him at JFK. It was all just speculation, though, 122 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: and Billy Solesti's eventually went to prison just for fraud. 123 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: While behind bars, he claimed LBJ had been involved in 124 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: criminal activities for years, profiting from the fraud and involved 125 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: in at least eight murders to cover it all up. 126 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: True or not, it's a reminder of how far people 127 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: will go to protect their political survival. After all, LBJ 128 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: was known to crave power, and his history has repeatedly 129 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: shown us power can be a dangerous thing. So once again, 130 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: as we learn from Spider Man, with great power comes 131 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: great responsibility. Hope you're enjoying the Backstory with Patty Steele. 132 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: Follow or subscribe for free to get new episodes delivered automatically, 133 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: and feel free to dm me if you have a 134 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: story you'd like me to cover. On Facebook, It's Patty 135 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: Steele and on Instagram Real Patty Steele. 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