1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: What's that at the bed. It's spooky, Hey jooky, I'm 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I'm ghosted, hirass. 4 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 3: Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to another listener 5 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 3: phone call Extravaganza. I love doing these episodes and I 6 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 3: hope to do some, you know, early January or something. 7 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: So as always, if you have a ghost story, maybe 8 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 3: you have a little bit of time over the holidays. 9 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 3: If you want to send me an email, do it 10 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 3: to ghosted by Raz at gmail dot com. I'm put 11 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: in the subject line listener episode. I week have been 12 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 3: just ghosted away and talking to so many different people 13 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: for some upcoming episodes. I'm thrilled for the beginning of 14 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: the year on this podcast, and I'll just tell you 15 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: who I have because I can give you if you know, 16 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 3: if you're looking for things again over the holidays, you're 17 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: looking for a good thing to watch, a good thing 18 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: to read, I can I can help you. 19 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: Out here, Okay. 20 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 3: I first up in the beginning of the year have 21 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: on winner of RuPaul's Drag Race, Jink's mom soon on 22 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: the show, and Jinks has become kind of alongside Ben 23 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: de la creme of RuPaul's drag Race. The two of 24 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 3: them have become like the queens of Christmas this year 25 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: and you can actually see them in a couple of 26 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: different things. They did their own holiday special which is 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: so fun and absolutely gorgeous, and if you want to 28 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: watch it, it's at Jinxandela dot com. And they also 29 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: happen to make an appearance in this movie that everyone's 30 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: talking about. It's on Hulu called The Happiest Season, starring 31 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: Kristen Stewart and truly an all star cast. 32 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean Aubrey. 33 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: Plaza, Alison Bree, Victor Garber. The two of them make 34 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 3: a little cameo in that. So that's pretty fun for 35 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: the holidays. And then okay, so then after I have 36 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 3: on Jinks, I also will be having in January. Amy Brune. 37 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: Now I know that a lot of you know who 38 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 3: Amy Brune is. She is huge in the paranormal investigating 39 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: TV world and she is the star of the TV 40 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: show Kindred Spirits. We also might know her from ghost Hunters, 41 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: and she has a book out that is so current. 42 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: It is so current that she even wrote it in 43 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 3: twenty twenty and she references all the craziness that's going 44 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: on with the pandemic. And the book is called Life 45 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: with the Afterlife Thirteen Truths. I learned about ghosts and 46 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 3: I loved it, and so we talked and I had 47 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 3: a ton of questions. And I'm very proud of both 48 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 3: my Jinks and Amy episodes. And they're both so loaded 49 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 3: that they're also going to be likely two part episodes. 50 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 3: We'll see, but there's just a lot going on with 51 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: them now. I have told you guys that I will 52 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: not be able to do regular episodes for next week 53 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: or the next week. That's why I'm talking about January now. 54 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: But on Patreon, I have got some pretty cool conversations. 55 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: I'm doing, like some pretty you know, full length about 56 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: the length of a podcast. 57 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: A typical episode. 58 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: There will be EVPs, there will be storees. On Christmas Eve, 59 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: I'm talking to my friend Tammy M. Chavez, who is 60 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: a paranormal investigator. Actually met her at that place, the 61 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: Omen House, and she is out there doing the paranormal investigating, 62 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: particularly here in Hollywood, and she's been making tiktoks. You 63 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 3: can find her at Hollyweird Paranormal and she's just she's 64 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: really fun and she knows what she's talking about. So 65 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: you could hear that on Patreon, on my second tier, 66 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: and then on New Year's Eve, my friend mister Malone, 67 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: who is He does automatic pen writing, you know, a 68 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 3: type of channeling, and he can communicate with the dead 69 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 3: and he's had a ton of experiences and he's a 70 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: fun person. You might know him if you listen to 71 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: Straight Talk with Ross Matthews the podcast. He's on there 72 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 3: as a regular and I really enjoy him. And so 73 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 3: you could hear that conversation on my second tier of 74 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: Patreon and on Patreon. I'm gonna keep making videos every 75 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 3: single Tuesday. 76 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: This week I did. 77 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: Another little video around my home and showed you some 78 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 3: of my weird taste and the things that I love 79 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: so much in my home. And you know what, having 80 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 3: weird taste is better than having no taste, That's what 81 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: I say. So go check that out if you're interested. 82 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 3: But from what I heard, people really enjoyed seeing my 83 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: living room last week, so I'll give you a little 84 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: bit more of that. All right, Well, this Listener episode, 85 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 3: we've got some good stories. We got some beginning middle, 86 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 3: it ends, and on Patreon. The bonus clip this week 87 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: is actually two different little stories. I've got one from 88 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 3: Ryan where we talk about since I do know o 89 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 3: Ryan a little bit. We were actually on Zoom that 90 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: night that I had an earthquake a couple months ago, 91 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: and so we talked about that together. And I had 92 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: on Paul, who on Patreon this week is telling us 93 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: about a real spooky dream situation that he had at 94 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: one point. So go listen to that, and I'm ready 95 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: to just start the show. I don't know about you. 96 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: Let's hear some ghost stories on with the show there's 97 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 3: a ghost in my house. Hello, I am joined by 98 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 3: Ryan in Chicago. 99 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: How are you. 100 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: I'm fantastic. 101 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: I hear you got some ghost stories? Which one should 102 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 3: we talk about? What's the first one? What's the first 103 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: ghost story that ever happened to you? Or supernatural paranormal phenomena? 104 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would say that it started when I 105 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: was a child growing up in Central Illinois. I would 106 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: wake up in my bed at night and just kind 107 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: of be frozen. But at the end of my bed 108 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: would always be this dark cloaked figure that would just 109 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: stand there at the very end of my bed, and 110 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: like I couldn't move, I couldn't speak, I couldn't do anything. 111 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: Now when you say this, how detailed are we talking? 112 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: Like does it did it look like like you could 113 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: almost be like, oh my god, that's a human with 114 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: like a party City Grim Reaper costume on. Or was 115 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: it like more misty or what do you think? 116 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: It just you know, honestly, it was just it honestly 117 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: looked like if you just took a black a big 118 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: black cloak and just like put it over a human body. 119 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: That's basically it look like it really didn't have a 120 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: lot of features and like I didn't see a face, 121 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: but it just like you knew there was just something 122 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: standing at the end of the bed. And this happens 123 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: to me every time I would move, like my parents 124 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: moved a few times. But every time I would move, 125 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: like not too long after you know, we had moved, 126 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: I would wake up in the same scenario would happen 127 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: that it would just stand there at the end of 128 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: my bed. It never moved, It never came any closer. 129 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: It just stood in my bed, and it would it 130 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: would feel like hours. I would just have to stare 131 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: and look at this thinking like oh my god, like 132 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: what's going to happen? Is it going to do something, 133 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: and it was never it always felt like it wanted 134 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: to do something or it had like bad intentions. So 135 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 2: this kind of just followed me through my life. 136 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: And then but it. 137 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 3: Seemed like it was just still or did it seem 138 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: like it was like as if like if a human 139 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 3: was standing at your bed, it would like kind of 140 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: breathe a little, it might move a little at a time, 141 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: or was just like still staring. 142 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: Oh, very just still, like it was just almost like 143 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: waiting for me to make a move, or waiting for 144 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: me to move so it would make a move. So 145 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: then I just felt so frozen, like I couldn't do 146 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: anything because if I did, then it would attack or something. 147 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: And so I just felt like I had to stay 148 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: so still. And so when I moved finally to college 149 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: to Chicago, I got my first apartment and I had 150 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: two roommates that I moved in with, and you know, 151 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: it was a very kind of like new experience living 152 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: on my own and a new big city and everything, 153 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: and so you know, it was kind of an emotional time. 154 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: And so I remember going to bed it was like 155 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: the this time was like the first night, and I 156 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: woke up and it felt almost like it was like 157 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: beginning of a new day or something like the sun 158 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: was just coming up or something. And I didn't see 159 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: anything at the time at the end of my bed, 160 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: but I looked over on my wall to the right 161 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: of me, and there was a cross on my wall, 162 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: which was strange because I did not bring across with 163 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 2: me or anything. And the cross on the wall started 164 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: to shape and tremble, and then all of a sudden, 165 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: out of each end of the cross, a new cross 166 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: formed and it just started spreading across the wall as if, 167 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: like I don't know, like a virus or something, and 168 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: it was going all over and that freaked me out. 169 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: And then I looked over and there it was. It 170 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 2: was back. It was in this new space of mine 171 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: that I'd moved to, but this time it didn't just 172 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: stand still at the end of my bed. It actually 173 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: started to move, and it moved to the left of me, 174 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: and it came right up to me and it started 175 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: like moving out its arm or hand or whatever it had. Again, 176 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: you do, you couldn't see any detail. All you could 177 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: see was a lifting of this like cloak, and it 178 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: put its arm over my arm. And I just remember 179 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: being so scared because of course, this thing has always 180 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: scared me. It's always followed me, but it's never moved, 181 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: it's never done anything. 182 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: And so were you frozen like before. 183 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was just like and part of it. 184 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was like frozen out of 185 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: fear or fro or like, actually my body couldn't move. 186 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: I just remember feeling like I couldn't I couldn't move anything, 187 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: and so I couldn't like get up, I couldn't run, 188 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: I couldn't do anything. And so it finally it put 189 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: its like whatever on my arm and then that was it. 190 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: And then I just remember kind of like blacking out 191 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 2: waking up a little while later. But when I did, 192 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: my arm on the left side was like red all over. 193 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: And I have no idea why. I have no idea 194 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: what happened, but I felt like it it had had 195 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,599 Speaker 2: like finally made contact and. 196 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: It's like a horror movie. This is like a conjuring 197 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: ree to me out. 198 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was terrifying. And honestly, after that experience, you know, 199 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: I started having weird things happen and stuff like that. 200 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: And then in this particular apartment that I moved to, 201 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 2: which is a whole nother story which was haunted in itself. 202 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 2: I one night was in my living room and we 203 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: were like eleven stories up and you could look across 204 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: the street and there was like a new building being constructed, 205 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: a huge tower, but it was like in its initial phases, 206 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: so it was very much just like you know, open 207 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: sea through floors and everything. But one night I looked 208 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: across the street and there again was the cloaked figure 209 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: just standing there just oh almost like staring in like watching, 210 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: And that really freaked me out. And I was living 211 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: at that point with my boyfriend, and you know, I 212 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: told him and he's like, yeah, right, you know, like 213 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: he didn't really ever have anything happen. He didn't have 214 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: any supernatural things happen to him, so he just kind 215 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 2: of like you know, shrugged it off. And I was like, Okay, sure, 216 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: you know, another one of your like ghost stories or whatever. 217 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 2: But then when he had a friend over one time, 218 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: when I was actually like away on vacation or doing something, 219 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 2: his friend like saw the same thing and saw a 220 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: cloaked figure on the other side of the street and 221 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: like freaked out and was like, oh my god, someone's 222 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: like looking into our apartment. And so finally he was like, 223 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: holy shit, like that's what my you know, boyfriend had 224 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: told me. Like I thought it was like totally making 225 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: some bullshit story up, and so like that kind of 226 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: made me feel like, Okay, like I'm not maybe the 227 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: only one that's seen this, but it's so interesting because 228 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: it's clearly attached to you. Yeah. 229 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and somebody else witnessed it. 230 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that was like the first time that 231 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: someone else had said like, oh I saw something that 232 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: matched this description of what you were talking about. And 233 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: so and it was weird because like, yeah, like this 234 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: person was connected to me, but not very closely, you 235 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: know what I mean, like yeah, family member or really 236 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 2: close friend. It's like a friend of a boyfriend. So 237 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: that was really interesting. And the last thing I would 238 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: say about the entity, I just call it like the 239 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: entity because I don't know what else to call it. 240 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: But I had a dream after all these things happened, 241 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: is like the last time I've had any kind of 242 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: connection with it. And I remember my dream. I just 243 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: was in this almost like marketplace in this other country 244 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: and there was this person that would just stare at 245 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: me with this just like grin. It's like evil grin. 246 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: And it just started walking towards me, and I felt 247 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: that in that like freezing feeling again. And he walked 248 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: up to me and he said, you can run, you 249 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: can move, but I'll always be there. Yeah, and that 250 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: just like and like, of course, like this person had 251 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: a face, like he looked like a normal person, but 252 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: I had that feeling like I know who this is, 253 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: Like this is that thing that's followed me for my 254 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: whole life. 255 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: Oh my god. So when's the last time that this happened. 256 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: So, I mean, the last time I saw it would 257 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: have been probably the time when I saw it across 258 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: the street in the new building. 259 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: That was being But I mean, like how long ago 260 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: that was. 261 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: Probably that was several years ago. That was probably around 262 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: two thousand and ten or eleven. 263 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: So it's been a while. Actually that's good. 264 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: But I'll tell you. So I'll tell you. Then I 265 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: guess kind of what I did to try to maybe 266 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: get rid of it. So there's this there's this really 267 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: cool occult bookstore in Cago. Supposedly it's the oldest one 268 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: in America. I don't know for sure, but that's what 269 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 2: they say. And so I go there and it's really 270 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: cool because it's like, I mean, they have got everything. 271 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: They've got jars with like graveyard dirt and like everything 272 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: you can think of, and so like they are ready 273 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: to like do the real shit. And so I went 274 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: there just like kind of like almost like desperate, because 275 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: I was just to the point where I'm like, something, 276 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: I've got to get rid of this thing. You know, 277 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: I don't want this to follow me anymore. I don't 278 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: want this to be around me. And so I told 279 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: him like what had happened, and they're like, yeah, that 280 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: sounds like maybe you've got something attached to you. And 281 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: they're like, here, right, there might be something we can 282 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: do to like figure this out. So they walk me 283 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: over to this cabinet and they open it up and 284 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: there is this stone and he doesn't say like what 285 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: it is or anything, and he just like close your 286 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: eyes and I do, and he's like lift out your 287 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: hand and I'm going to put something in your hand, 288 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: grasp it and put it against your chest and then 289 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: just tell me what happens. I'm thinking, Okay, this is weird. 290 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: This you could yeah, okay. 291 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: But I was with a friend and so she was 292 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 2: there too, and so I'm like, okay, if he like, 293 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: dress something really weird. She's gonna be like, wait up 294 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: a second. But anyways, so I do it, and like 295 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: at first, nothing happens. Of course, I'm thinking like this 296 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: is so ridiculous. I feel like I feel so dumb. 297 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 2: But then all of a sudden, like whatever it was, like, 298 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: I started feeling it like push away from me, almost 299 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: like you would see like with battery or with magnets 300 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: and how it's just like it just will not stay 301 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: against it. It just pushes away. And I pushed away 302 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: until like it was it was like all the way 303 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: away from me, and then like the guy just grabbed 304 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: it out of my hand and he's like there you go. 305 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 2: That's your answer, and I'm like what and he's like, 306 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: what I put in your hand was a bizoar stone, 307 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: and I guess for reference the bizoarre stone in modern 308 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: like stuff, Harry Potter actually uses that in one of 309 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: the films. When I saw Very Party filmed app because 310 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 2: this happened before that. Before I saw it, I was like, 311 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 2: oh my god, that's the stone they had me like hold, 312 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: And I guess it's supposedly like a gall stone or 313 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 2: something passed by an animal that is like with a 314 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 2: shaman or something, and so there's like a spirit that's 315 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: supposed to be attached to these stones or rare, but 316 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 2: I guess they're like supposedly like good spirits. So if 317 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: there's something negative that's like attached to you, they like respond. 318 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: And so that's why he was like, it responded to 319 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: something that's attached to you. So he's like that's her answer, 320 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: and so I'm like, Okay, that was really that was 321 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 2: really crazy. That was that was so weird. And so 322 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: he's like he made me this like candle and I 323 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: had all this stuff all over it. He told me 324 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 2: I needed to break a mirror into shards. I had 325 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: to like put it all on a white tablecloth and 326 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 2: he's like light it and he's like, you know, just 327 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: stare into the flame and just like whatever you feel 328 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: like your element is, whether it's fire, wind or water 329 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: or whatever. He's like, use that and like feel like 330 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: you see it like made out of a sword, and 331 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 2: you cut it, like you're cutting the connection between you 332 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: and this thing, and like if you do that, then 333 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 2: it will it'll lose the connection to you and it 334 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 2: will get lost in the mirrors. And so I did 335 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: that and honestly, it after that, it kind of just 336 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 2: didn't I never, like I said, I haven't seen it 337 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: in all those years. I didn't kind of feel like 338 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: there was necessarily something following me. So I took that 339 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: as maybe I got rid of it, or or it's 340 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 2: maybe a little lost right now and can't find me. 341 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: So well, when was that dream with the smiling guy? 342 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: That was? Oh, that was a while after I saw 343 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: it across the streets, So maybe a couple a few 344 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 2: months or a year or two after that, So that 345 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: probably happened like twenty eleven, twenty twelve or something. 346 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: Well, I think he's gone. I think he's gone. 347 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: I hope so. 348 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: Well, So do you have another story that you could tell? 349 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this one is probably like I have so many, 350 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: Like I could probably be on here for hours. 351 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll have to be back. 352 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: But one, the other one that I would say is 353 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: really it really meant something to me? I guess was 354 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: so the apartment, like I said that I was living 355 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: in when I moved to Chicago, My first apartment was 356 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 2: definitely haunted, and you know, I'd seen like things like 357 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: scratches on the walls. I would hear things and h 358 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: one night I came home and my roommates to the 359 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: two room once I had both said that they had 360 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: experienced things or heard things or saw things, and we're like, yeah, 361 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: there's something here. I don't know what it was. And 362 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: so and one of my friends was like atheists, and 363 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: she like did not believe in like anything, and so 364 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 2: she was just like, I know, really normally don't believe 365 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: in stuff like this, but there's just something here. And 366 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: so one night I came home, I think from work 367 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 2: or you know, from class or something, and it seemed 368 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: like the apartment was empty, like no one was home, 369 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: like I was the only one there, and so I 370 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 2: just like all the lights were off, and it was 371 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 2: kind of like turn into night. And so I turned 372 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: on the kitchen light. And the way the department was 373 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: set up was like right after you walk in, there's 374 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: like a hallway and it goes right into a kitchen 375 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 2: and the good and then it goes like right into 376 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 2: the dining room with like a windows all in there. 377 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: And so I turned that light on and I sat 378 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 2: down to like eat, and when I did, I looked 379 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: up and then the reflection of the window was a 380 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: man standing in the like entryway of the kitchen, and 381 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: I just like froze and I like looked, and I 382 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 2: was like and I turned around and like, of course 383 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: no one was there, but I thought, okay, well, maybe 384 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 2: maybe someone was home. And so, you know, I get up, 385 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: I go to look around. I'm like calling my roommate's names, 386 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: and I'm like nothing. And that was the first time 387 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 2: I like seen like a you know, a person or 388 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: entity or anything in the apartment besides of course the 389 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: cloach figure, which I felt was like it felt like 390 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: they were two different things, right. And I also would 391 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 2: have my record player would turn itself on at various times, 392 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 2: like I would just wake up and I would hear music, 393 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: and I would be like, what what is that? And 394 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: I thought maybe he was like a neighbor. My windows 395 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 2: were open, I'm hearing it from outside. But I would 396 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: go into my living room and the record player would 397 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: be turned on, playing like a jazz station. 398 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: I was like that, oo, so what do we think, 399 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: Like it's haunted by a man from me who. 400 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 2: Loves jazz, right, what a perfect roommate. So then to 401 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: shoot forward, I was at my one of my best 402 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 2: friend's houses one night. We were all together hanging out 403 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 2: and I was getting ready to leave, so I try 404 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 2: to like hail a cab and everything, and I remember 405 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: like getting one and the guy was asking me where 406 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: I was going. He was really disgruntled and everything. And 407 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: I tell him and he's like, oh, well, I'm not 408 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,239 Speaker 2: going that way. I'm going like north. So he just like, 409 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 2: you gotta get out of my cab. I'm like what. 410 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 2: And so I get out of his cab and I'm 411 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: just kind of standing there and I have to like 412 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: hail another cab, and so I get into this new 413 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: cab and I'm talking to this guy. He's like an 414 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 2: older guy, right, and he's very friendly and we start 415 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 2: talking and I tell him where I'm going. He's like, oh, 416 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 2: He's like that that sounds familiar. He's like, I'm pretty 417 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: sure I lived in that building in like the early eighties. 418 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, well, that's that's a coincidence. That's 419 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: kind of cool. And so we kept talking. He's like 420 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: telling me, abow back in the early eighties in that 421 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: area in Chicago was like a really rough place to live, 422 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 2: and like he said that pizza delivery people like wouldn't 423 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: even want to come because it was just so dangerous 424 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: and stuff. And then he started talking about his roommate. 425 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 2: And you could tell that when he talked about his roommate, 426 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: like you could tell like they were very close, and 427 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 2: he would talk about him like in the past sense, 428 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 2: like he wasn't around anymore. And so I kind of 429 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: like kind of pushed into that and I was like, well, 430 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 2: what happened to your roommate And he's like, well, he 431 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: came home one night and he died. He had a 432 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: massive heart attack in the lobby and he died. And 433 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm really sorry. And then he kind 434 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: of like paused and he was like, well, he wasn't 435 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: just my roommate, he was my husband. And I was like, oh, wow, 436 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 2: that's that's incredible, and I'm so sorry that, you know, 437 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: you had that experience. And and I just something clicked 438 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: and I'm just like, well, I'm not gonna lie, like 439 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: I have been experiencing things in my apartment that I 440 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: can't really explain, and you know, and I think I 441 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 2: was like one of the things that's really weird is 442 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: that my you know, record player will just come on 443 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 2: by itself and it will just always play this jazz 444 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: station he's like what. He's like he loved jazz, Like 445 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: he loved jazz so much, and I'm like what. And 446 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 2: we just kept talking and like I'm like, I don't 447 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 2: know if you believe in like ghosts or anything like that, 448 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: but I almost feel like he could possibly be in 449 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: my unit. And he just starts crying. He's like, oh 450 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: my god. He's like I believe you, like I think 451 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: that that's what's happening. And he's like, will you tell 452 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: him that? Like I miss him, I love him, you know, 453 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: I'm doing okay, And then I start crying because I'm like, 454 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 2: oh my god, like, what are the chances of me 455 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 2: randomly getting kicked out of a cab to get into 456 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 2: another cab of this guy who you still live in 457 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 2: my building and whose partner had had died, you know, 458 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: and he never really got to say his goodbyes. And 459 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 2: so he's like, you know, telling me all these things 460 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: he wants me to like tell him, and I'm you know, thinking, 461 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: you know, I don't even know if this is really 462 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 2: the same person, but okay, and so he like writes 463 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: down his name and his number and he's like, if 464 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: you experience anything or if anything else happens, please let 465 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: me know, like I really want to know. So I'm 466 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 2: like okay, and we part and I go back up 467 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 2: to the space and on my apartment and I sit 468 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 2: on my bed and I'm just like, hey, I think 469 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: I might have met your partner, your husband, and he 470 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 2: wanted me to tell you that he misses you, he 471 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 2: loves you, and he's doing fine, he's doing good. And 472 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: he just wanted me to tell you that. And after 473 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: that happened, I never had anything else happen. Wow, stopped 474 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 2: and I never saw anything, never heard anything, nothing. 475 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe in that. I can't. 476 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 3: I can't run my head around that coincidence, which many 477 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: people say there's no such thing as coincidence. 478 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I especially after that, I'm prone to agree 479 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 2: with that that you know, it just there's way too 480 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: many variables that would have had to happen to make 481 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: this occur, and they all fell into place, and you know, 482 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: it happened, and it's that one has always stayed with me. 483 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 2: And his name was Robbie, his husband, So I believe 484 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: Robbie the ghost was literally in my apartment. Just I think, 485 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: you know, just confused or sad or like he didn't 486 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: get closure because you know, he never made it home 487 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: that night, and so he didn't have a way to 488 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: say goodbye. And I think he was just kind of 489 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 2: looking for that, looking for some kind of closure or 490 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 2: to know that his partner was Okay. 491 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 3: I am joined by Claire in Portland. 492 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 4: Hello Claire, what's up everybody? 493 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 3: Thanks for doing this. So I want to hear about 494 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 3: the ghost in Japan that you were telling me you're 495 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 3: nervous about tell Now, why are you nervous about telling 496 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: the story? 497 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I don't entirely know. I'm not 498 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 4: really like the type of person who is who welcomes 499 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 4: this kind of thing, you know what I'm saying. 500 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's just a. 501 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 4: Little bit anxiety inducing because, like, for real, what if 502 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: the spirit catches wind of me talking about this or 503 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 4: listens to your podcast. 504 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: I have so many ghost listeners it's insane. 505 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I hopefully they don't catch wind of 506 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 4: this and like start haunting my current residence because again, 507 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 4: like I'm not looking for this kind of stuff. 508 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 1: Well, what happened? Tell me the whole story? 509 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 4: Big breath, deep breath. Yeah, it was in my early 510 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 4: twenties and I moved to Japan because I you know, 511 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 4: I did the whole teaching ESL thing when I was younger. 512 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: You speak Japanese, I no, no, I do not. 513 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 4: I mean I tried to, but people would respond in 514 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 4: like perfect English. So I just gave up after like 515 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 4: three living there. But but yeah, I taught English. I 516 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 4: taught USL for a couple of years when I was 517 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 4: in my early twenties. So I sort of hopped around 518 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 4: all over the place. 519 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: And one of the. 520 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 4: Places that I taught ESL in was Gifu City in Japan. 521 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 4: So it was a it was a really sweet gig actually, 522 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 4: Like I got the job online and so I moved 523 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 4: out to Japan and I get picked up by my boss, 524 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 4: and it was just a really surreal situation. I like 525 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 4: I landed in Japan in the middle of the night 526 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 4: and he met me at the airport, and I was 527 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 4: just so tired and so like, you know, it's kind 528 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 4: of like you don't know what the fuck's going on, 529 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 4: you know, when you're like in your early monies and 530 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 4: you moved to Japan, it's just like what the fuck 531 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 4: is that, you know, But like he picks me up 532 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 4: from the airport, he starts driving me. We're like in 533 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 4: the car for a really long time, and he just 534 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 4: drives me to this house and that was where I 535 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 4: was going to live while I worked there. And so 536 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 4: it was kind of a surreal, like a said situation, 537 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 4: because we pull up to the house and like right 538 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 4: away it was just like this feels weird. It just 539 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 4: felt kind of eerie. And so I get into the 540 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 4: house and it's like, you know, it's it's late and 541 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 4: there were all these other people living in the house, 542 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 4: other teachers and also Japanese staff who worked at these schools, 543 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 4: and so nobody was up and I was just told that, 544 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 4: you know, I was supposed to go upstairs, that there 545 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 4: was a room on the right, and that that was 546 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 4: going to be my bedroom. So I get into the 547 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 4: house and I get up to my room and it's 548 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 4: a it's a traditional Japanese room, so it had a 549 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 4: what are called to Tommy four matts, and I had 550 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 4: a fluteon and so I get kind of settled in, 551 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 4: feeling kind of weird about the whole situation, you know, 552 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 4: but I get settled in, and for the next couple 553 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 4: of days it was just I was just getting a 554 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 4: foothold you know, like just kind of getting my bearings 555 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 4: because you know, yeah, I didn't speak the language, didn't 556 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 4: know anybody. So on the third night, this is where 557 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 4: the story gets weird. On the third night, I go 558 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 4: into my room, I close the door, and I turn 559 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 4: off the light, and I lay down on my futon 560 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 4: and I'm laying there just kind of staring up at 561 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 4: the ceiling and I see this shadow move around the 562 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 4: room like at lightning speed. 563 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: Hmmm, Now was there a window that could have caused that? 564 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 4: Or oh well, so there was a window, and the 565 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 4: reason I could see the shadow was because there was 566 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 4: moonlight coming in. But it looked like a figure was 567 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 4: suddenly just just moved around like the walls as quickly 568 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 4: as possible. Yeah, yeah, and it was, I mean it was. 569 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 4: I was terrified. So I jump up off of the 570 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 4: food tongue and I turned the light on and there's 571 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 4: nothing there. And you know, I mean, again, this is 572 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 4: the third night that I've been living here. I'm not 573 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 4: going to go knock on one of my roommate's stores 574 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 4: and be like, yo, I think there was a ghost 575 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 4: in my room. 576 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 3: You know, is that where your mind goes to a 577 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 3: ghosts or did you think like someone was in there 578 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 3: or mine. 579 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,239 Speaker 4: My mind immediately went to a ghost like it just 580 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 4: if it was nothing like nothing I. 581 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: Had ever seen before, you know, huh. 582 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 4: So I leave the light on that night, right like, 583 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 4: I lay back down the futon and I go to 584 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,239 Speaker 4: sleep and I wake up early, like it's dawn when 585 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 4: I wake up, and there's blood. 586 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: On my pill up. 587 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I feel something on my ear and I 588 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 4: reach up to touch my ear, and it's like somebody 589 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 4: has insized, like somebody hasn't cut the inside. 590 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: Of my ear. 591 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, yeah it was. 592 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 4: You know, obviously it was like freaking out about this. 593 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 4: But I mean again, I hadn't been there for very long, 594 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 4: and so I didn't know who to talk to or 595 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 4: you know, what I was supposed to do about the situation. 596 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 4: So I come downstairs in one of the people who 597 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 4: had been living in the house. I mean, he'd been 598 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 4: living in Japan for a really long time and he 599 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 4: had been living in the house for a while too, 600 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 4: and I said, you know, I don't know what happened 601 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,719 Speaker 4: last night, something happened to my ear, And he was 602 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 4: just like, oh, yeah, was it your third night? 603 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 2: Was it a Tommy room. 604 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 4: No, yeah, yeah, And so I said, yeah, I mean 605 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 4: I guess it was my third night, and he was 606 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 4: just like, yeah. 607 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 2: It happens. 608 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: What happens to the room? 609 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I like it was. We really didn't 610 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 4: even talk about it anymore after that. It was it 611 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 4: was so unsettling, you know, because that was that was 612 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 4: my room too, so. 613 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 3: But so you just left it at that. He's like, yeah, 614 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 3: that happens. You weren't like, what is it a ghost? 615 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: No, you know, And that's. 616 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 4: The weird thing about it, honestly, Pugin. I don't know 617 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 4: if I just didn't want to know, I didn't want to, 618 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 4: you know, or if I was just kind of still 619 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 4: getting familiarized with this new place that I was living 620 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 4: and I didn't, you know, I didn't want to like 621 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 4: weared out my roommates and be the person who's like, I. 622 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 2: Think the house is haunted. 623 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 4: So I just yeah, I just kind of like left 624 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 4: it at that. But you know, of course that's not 625 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 4: where the story ends, because you know, as I, as 626 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 4: I got more comfortable living in the house, and of 627 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 4: course they became really fast good friends with a lot 628 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 4: of the people who were living in the house. Everybody 629 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 4: had had some kind of an experience, and so we 630 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 4: sort of started to band together. And you know, really 631 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 4: interestingly too, it was we were living in a small 632 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 4: town and Gifa City is not a big town, especially 633 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 4: by Japanese standards, and so there were people in our 634 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 4: neighborhood who knew about this house and who believed that 635 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 4: there was a spirit in the house. And so as 636 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 4: I got to know my students who also I mean, 637 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 4: it was a fabulous experience. Like I became really really 638 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 4: good friends with all my students in Japan. And I 639 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 4: had a couple of students, one in particular, who was 640 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 4: a psychic, and I was telling her about the house 641 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 4: and about that room in particular, and she was just like, yeah, 642 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 4: you know, I think that you have a spirit, and 643 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 4: I think that the spirit is in that room. And so, 644 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 4: you know, she came over and she did a cleansing 645 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 4: and she said, yeah, it's the Tatammy room is where 646 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 4: the energy is, and so she did a cleansing ritual 647 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 4: and she kind of gave us some advice on what 648 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 4: we could do about it. But yeah, I mean, there 649 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 4: were lots of experiences in that house that were extremely unsettling. 650 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 4: Another time, I came home, and I just assumed that 651 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 4: we had staff, Japanese speaking staff who were in the 652 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 4: house because I've heard people upstairs speaking Japanese. And then 653 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 4: one by one everybody came home and there was nobody 654 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 4: up there. Yeah another time. 655 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh sorry, go ahead, I'm. 656 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 4: Just gonna say another time. You know, we had these 657 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 4: kind of sliding bamboo doors, and the house didn't have 658 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 4: central heat, and so each room just had its own 659 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 4: little space here. So we were really, you know, conscientious 660 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 4: of conserving the heat. And so I was in the 661 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 4: family room and I got up to go get my dinner, 662 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 4: and I opened up the doors and I closed them 663 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 4: behind me and started to walk towards the kitchen, and 664 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 4: I just felt, yeah, I mean, you know that feeling 665 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 4: where it was just like, uh, like somebody's staring at me, 666 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 4: or somebody's looking at me. And it turned around and 667 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 4: the doors were wide open. 668 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 3: So when you would talk to the people in the house, 669 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 3: what would they say, Well, like your other people living 670 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 3: like the human people. 671 00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 672 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 4: It's funny because I was actually I was obviously thinking 673 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 4: about coming on your show and thinking about the whole experience. 674 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 4: I messaged my friend Gretchen, who also she lived in 675 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 4: the house for you know, the same time. She was 676 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 4: there at the same time that I was, and actually 677 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 4: continued to live in the house a little bit longer 678 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,959 Speaker 4: after I left, and we were just, yeah, talking about 679 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 4: what a what a spooky experience it was, because she 680 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 4: too had a lot of pretty gnurly, you know, spooky 681 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 4: experiences happened there, which you know, I mean, we became 682 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 4: really good friends, but it was definitely a bonding thing 683 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 4: where she would you know, what actually happened was I 684 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 4: wanted to get out of that bedroom, like I just 685 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 4: I knew that there was something in that bedroom, and 686 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 4: so the minute that somebody moved out, I moved into 687 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 4: their room. And the thing about this house was that 688 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 4: it was I mean, it was huge. There were I 689 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 4: can't even remember, like there were seven or eight bedrooms 690 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 4: in it. So it was a really big house. And 691 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 4: there was kind of the part of the house that 692 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 4: was original, and that part was like two hundred, two 693 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty years old, the really old house, and 694 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 4: then there were new additions, and so I moved downstairs 695 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 4: into a part of the house that was really disconnected 696 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 4: from the main portion of the house, and I didn't 697 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 4: have any experiences down there, Like I was really comfortable 698 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 4: down there. But my friend Gretchen, she was upstairs and 699 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 4: there were several nights when she would come down to 700 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 4: my room and ask if she could sleep with me 701 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 4: in my room because she was scared. 702 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 3: Now, when you moved out of that room, did somebody 703 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 3: move in? And then you got to be the person 704 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 3: after the third night that goes third night in the 705 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 3: the domin. 706 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 2: So we ended up. 707 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 4: I think that there was kind of an unspoken understanding 708 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 4: that nobody wanted that room, and so nobody moved into 709 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 4: that room while I was living there. I was the 710 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 4: last person to call it my bedroom for the duration 711 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 4: of my stay in Japan. But one of the teachers 712 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 4: who lived in the house, her brother, came to visit, 713 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,760 Speaker 4: and you know, I mean it was it the Toatmmi 714 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 4: room had kind of become like a guest room, I 715 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 4: guess at that point, and so her brother stayed in 716 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 4: the Tatami room, and like it's I can't believe, I mean, 717 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 4: it's just so bizarre. On the third night he he 718 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 4: was staying in the Tatammi room, and I honestly, I 719 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 4: don't know how else to describe it. I mean, I 720 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 4: think he was possessed. He just out of the blue, 721 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 4: out of the blue. It was late at night, and 722 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 4: out of the blue, this guy opens up the window 723 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,439 Speaker 4: in the Tatammi room and just starts screaming out into 724 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 4: the night about how he hates Japan, fucked Japan. And 725 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 4: he was really, I mean like just losing it, really 726 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 4: really agitated. 727 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 2: Out of the blue. 728 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 4: He had gone into that room perfectly fine, and then suddenly. 729 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 2: Everybody in the house woke up to him screaming out. 730 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 4: The window, and he was so agitated that there was 731 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 4: concern he was actually going to try to jump out 732 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 4: of this window. So sister, yeah, his sister ran up 733 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 4: there and tried to calm him down. 734 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 3: It's so creepy to think that, like the ghosts knows 735 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 3: it's the third night, like like that that means that 736 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 3: they're watching the first night. Okay, just two more nights 737 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 3: and then one more night and then okay, showtime, baby. 738 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 3: Like that is so creepy. And I've never heard anything 739 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 3: like like the ear thing. 740 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: What is that? 741 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 4: I don't know, And I think that that's part of 742 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 4: you know, I've like I've I've thought about it a 743 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 4: lot over the years, and I've told the story to 744 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 4: you know, I've told the story here and there, but 745 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 4: every time, yeah, it just like it really does. It 746 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 4: concerns me, you know, because it was I was like, 747 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 4: did I get marked? 748 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: You know, it sounds very dangerous. 749 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I know, it's it's I can't believe it happened, 750 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 4: to be honest. And you know, so this is one 751 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,879 Speaker 4: of those things where it's just like, I'm not trying 752 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 4: to invite this shit. 753 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,479 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, you're sife. Don't worry that they're 754 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 3: not listening. When the student did the cleansing, did did 755 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 3: that help? 756 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 4: I think you put my mind at ease a little 757 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 4: bit because she basically said that, you know, it was 758 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 4: it was a negative energy. I mean, Japan has a 759 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 4: lot of really interesting kind of spiritual and metaphysical beliefs. 760 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 4: A lot of the people who live in Japan do it. 761 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 4: And so she was basically just like, you know, the 762 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 4: ghost probably doesn't want to hurt you, but they do 763 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 4: need to be told to go away from you. They 764 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 4: do need to be told to that you're unable to 765 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 4: help them. And so when she did the cleansing ritual, 766 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 4: you know what she did is she she mounded some 767 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 4: salt in a sake cup, and she put it in 768 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 4: front of the door, in front of the door at 769 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 4: the Tommy room, and she advised us that if we 770 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 4: were feeling, you know, scared, or were feeling like we 771 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 4: were being followed by the ghosts, that we could take 772 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 4: a bath in stake as well, and that would alleviate 773 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 4: some of the fear. But that if we felt like 774 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 4: we came face to face with the spirit or with 775 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 4: the energy or that ghost or whatever you won't call it, 776 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 4: that we should say that we couldn't help it and 777 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,879 Speaker 4: to please go away. And so I had one experience 778 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 4: where I came into the house, you know, like I said, 779 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 4: the room that I ultimately moved into was detached from 780 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 4: the main structure of the house, and so I had 781 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 4: to walk through a courtyard to get to the bathroom. 782 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 4: So I walked through the courtyard to get to the 783 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 4: bathroom late at night, and I went to close the 784 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 4: door to the bathroom, and you know, when you when 785 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,439 Speaker 4: you looked out of the bathroom, you basically just looked 786 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 4: straight up into this dark hallway and then up a 787 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 4: flight of stairs. It were a really ominous kind of 788 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 4: view and So I walked in the bathroom, went to 789 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 4: close the door, and it was it felt like somebody 790 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 4: was standing there and I just kind of froze for 791 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 4: a moment, and then I said, you know, I'm really sorry, 792 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,800 Speaker 4: I can't help you. Please go away, And it felt 793 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 4: like this this energy just evaporated. 794 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,320 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, what's good to know that that works. 795 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 2: Right after that, I was kind of like that maybe 796 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 2: I can. 797 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 4: Hand you know, maybe I can handle this. 798 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. And so how long ago was this? 799 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 4: This would have been in two thousand, Wow, it would 800 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,959 Speaker 4: have been two thousand five or two thousand and six. 801 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 3: Oh see, ghost or human from two thousand and five 802 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 3: does not know how to use a podcast. They're not listening. 803 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 2: We relief ross. 804 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, because I'm very concerned. I'm like, I 805 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 3: don't want this girl was to come back. What do 806 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 3: you think about it? Like if you were like back 807 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 3: to the future style came like time traveled from two 808 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 3: thousand and five, you'd be like, are you talking about 809 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 3: like radio? No, it's like something that a drag queen 810 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 3: can do from her couch and talk to somebody in 811 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 3: Portland about a Japanese coat. They wouldn't know what we 812 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 3: were talking about ladies and gentlemen. I am joined by 813 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 3: Paul from Pennsylvania. 814 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: How are you? 815 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 2: I'm good? 816 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 3: How are you so good? Okay, you have got some 817 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 3: ghost stories. Where do we begin? 818 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 5: Well, I guess since it's Christmas time, I want to 819 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 5: tell a little Christmas ghost story. 820 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 4: Love that. 821 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: Oh, you know, that's that's such a tradition. 822 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 3: You know, people don't tell ghost stories like they used to, 823 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 3: but historically that was like a thing people did on 824 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 3: Christmas Eve is tell ghost stories. 825 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: And I love that. 826 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's also it's kind of a sweet one, 827 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 5: so it's nice to start with that before we get into 828 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 5: the really spooky ones. 829 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So well, just a. 830 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 5: Little backstory about my grandmother, who this story is about. 831 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 5: She loved Christmas. I love Christmas and she would always 832 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 5: tell this the story about when she was a little girl. 833 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 2: She would. 834 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 5: She wasn't like a theatrical person like myself, but she 835 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 5: was in a little in a little Christmas show and 836 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 5: had a poem that she had to read when she 837 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 5: was like real tiny, and she would read she would 838 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 5: recite the poem. Even though you know she's in her 839 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 5: seventies and eighties and all that, she still remembered it 840 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 5: would recite it. She had like a print of it 841 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 5: framed that she got at Christmas time. Wow, and it went, 842 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 5: what can I give him poor as I am. If 843 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 5: I was a shepherd, I'd bring a lamb. If I 844 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 5: was a wise man, I'd do my part. What can 845 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 5: I give him? Give him my heart? And so in 846 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 5: twenty sixteen she passed away. And you know, she was older, 847 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 5: fairly conservative, and was not real happy about the fact 848 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 5: that I was gay, and was invited to our wedding 849 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,720 Speaker 5: but did not come. Sent a letter the only person 850 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 5: who didn't come who sent me a letter sort of explaining, 851 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 5: you know, it's because of her faith and her belief, 852 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 5: you know, in God and those sorts of things that 853 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 5: she didn't want to come to my wedding, which had 854 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 5: created sort of you know, a strain there, and that 855 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 5: you know, there's just certain things that I couldn't tell her. 856 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 5: So after she passed away the first Christmas, because it 857 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 5: was in fall, it was late October, the first Christmas, 858 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,800 Speaker 5: I am putting together a new Christmas playlist. I decided 859 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 5: that I wanted to throw on sort of do a 860 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 5: collection sort of Lilith Fair type artist, you know, some 861 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,440 Speaker 5: torri amos, some jewel that kind of vibe. And I 862 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 5: was like, oh, that's right. The Indigo Girls have a 863 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 5: Christmas album. Let me just pick a couple of songs, 864 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 5: throw it on the playlist. If I don't like them, 865 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 5: I'll just take them off. So I am, you know, 866 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 5: starting to decorate, and I get out these ornaments that 867 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 5: she had crochete for me and given me for Christmas 868 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 5: years before. I'm hanging these ornaments and the Indigo Girls 869 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 5: song comes on and it's in the bleak midwinter, and 870 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 5: I did not realize until it started playing that the 871 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,399 Speaker 5: third verse is that poem, her poem that she. 872 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,240 Speaker 2: Loves so much. 873 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 874 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,439 Speaker 5: And so the song starts playing and I'm like, wait, 875 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 5: I know these words, I know this story, and like 876 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,720 Speaker 5: I just get this tingle and I'm holding these Christmas 877 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 5: balls that she crocheted, and the song comes on and 878 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 5: it felt like a message like she was like I 879 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 5: get it now to hear like these lesbian folk icons 880 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 5: sing the same waves that she had. It felt like 881 00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 5: a message from her that she understood better whatever happens 882 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 5: after we die, you know, she understood, you know, sort 883 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 5: of being gay is okay. 884 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:10,719 Speaker 1: So wow. 885 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,799 Speaker 3: Or is it possible that she was secretly a big 886 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 3: fan of the Indigo Girls this whole time? 887 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,239 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's possible. 888 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 5: I mean she Yeah, everybody loves a little lesbian folk icon, you. 889 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 1: Know, so or she was one of their songwriters. 890 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 3: Well maybe attributed she contributed a verse. Wow, that's amazing though, God, 891 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 3: that would be so crazy about and you're. 892 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 1: Like, wait a minute, Grandma, Oh my god, yeah cool. 893 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,279 Speaker 5: So so that one's like that one was just kind 894 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 5: of a sweet and of course, you know it's it 895 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,280 Speaker 5: could be a coincidence. You know, you can explain that away, 896 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 5: but like it if I could feel it, like in 897 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 5: my soul that there was like a connection there. 898 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 3: Wow, that's so sweet. That's so nice to get that, 899 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 3: that confirmation. I think that's that seems like the fear 900 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 3: that you probably got surrounding that were probably really confirmed 901 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 3: that for you. 902 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 5: Like, yeah, and I had my dad passed away when 903 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 5: I was sixteen before I came out, and I'd seen 904 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,319 Speaker 5: a psychic and I kind of just asked like, did 905 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 5: he know does he know now? Wherever he is now? 906 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 5: And she was like she was like, he he gets it. 907 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,839 Speaker 5: He doesn't have a problem with it. Like he understands. 908 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 5: So it was kind of that same vibe of like, 909 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 5: you know, after you die, things are you know clearer, 910 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 5: you know, so well. 911 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you're so wrapped up in the human 912 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 3: just every day material, human shit, and I think that 913 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,239 Speaker 3: it seems like that just goes away, and it's like, oh, 914 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:52,360 Speaker 3: it's more about our souls and the bigger picture. M yeah, wow, okay, 915 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,359 Speaker 3: now tell me spook you one. 916 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 1: Okay. 917 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 5: So this when I was in the first grade, I 918 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 5: think the summer before I went into first grade, so 919 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 5: I was like six. We moved into a older brick 920 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 5: house that was a duplex, so it was like two 921 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:17,320 Speaker 5: houses connected by a wall, and there was some weird 922 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 5: stuff that started happening. Like I was little, so like 923 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 5: my memories are a little bit hazy, but based on 924 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 5: the stories my parents would would tell me, you know, 925 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 5: kind of piecing together what happened there, we would have 926 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 5: like stuff would suddenly come, like in the summertime, suddenly 927 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 5: come flying out of the heat events like they had 928 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:44,400 Speaker 5: turned on and stuff would move. The really creepy moment 929 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 5: was we my sister, who was little like two years old, 930 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 5: was upstairs by herself and was going to walk down 931 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:58,880 Speaker 5: the steps and somebody pushed her even though she was 932 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:04,280 Speaker 5: up there by herself. And you know that's just spooky. 933 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,680 Speaker 1: Uki, Yeah, a two year old, you said. 934 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,280 Speaker 5: Yes, oh no, And and this isn't like supernatural. 935 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,320 Speaker 2: It was just weird. 936 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,560 Speaker 5: The sister that was younger than her, who was like 937 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:23,080 Speaker 5: a like a newborn less than year old, that same sister, 938 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,240 Speaker 5: the two year old climbed up and pushed her off 939 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 5: of the changing table. And you know, obviously you know 940 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,480 Speaker 5: that wasn't a ghost that did that, but like what 941 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,840 Speaker 5: two year old just goes around pushing their baby sister 942 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 5: off of things? Like you know, just there was weird 943 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 5: vibes like that. And I have a distinct memory of 944 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,720 Speaker 5: being like in the living room by myself and getting 945 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 5: kicked up and thrown oh and that that's like I 946 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,880 Speaker 5: it was weird because like I had a memory of it, 947 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 5: like someone must have picked me up, and it's sort 948 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 5: of like recovered, like no, there was no one else there, 949 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 5: Like I was picked up by nothing and thrown across 950 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 5: the living room. 951 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:07,840 Speaker 1: Did you get hurt? 952 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 5: Not that I regard, Like I've never had a broken 953 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,839 Speaker 5: bone or anything like that. So it wasn't like enough 954 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:17,040 Speaker 5: to like damage me, but you know, it's still pretty scary. 955 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I. 956 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,760 Speaker 5: Like, I don't know what all else may have happened 957 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 5: at that house, because like, those are the things that 958 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,239 Speaker 5: I like witnessed or was told to Some of them 959 00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,800 Speaker 5: were told to me later. But so I'm in first 960 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,840 Speaker 5: grade and I come home from school one day and 961 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,160 Speaker 5: my grandfather is at the door and he's like, yeah, 962 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,480 Speaker 5: you guys moved, And my mom was just like, I've 963 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 5: had enough. I can't stand this haunted house. We are leaving, 964 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,480 Speaker 5: and we moved in with my grandparents for a while. 965 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,200 Speaker 5: And by the time, like I was old enough to 966 00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,600 Speaker 5: ask her questions she had She has a history of 967 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,000 Speaker 5: mental illness and actually had to have lecture of show 968 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 5: therapy in the nineties, and so like her memories of 969 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 5: that time in the house are real fragmented. So she's like, 970 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,040 Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe I was just crazy. I'm like maybe, 971 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,719 Speaker 5: but we all remember some of that shit, so it 972 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,239 Speaker 5: wasn't just you, you know. 973 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 1: Wow, Oh that's so scary. It sounds so violent. Eugh. 974 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, And we because we were there for less than 975 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,439 Speaker 5: a year, because we moved in that summer and we're 976 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 5: out by I don't know exactly when, but it would 977 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,759 Speaker 5: have been like late winter, early spring, so it wasn't 978 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 5: even a full year that we were. 979 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,280 Speaker 1: In this house. Do you have another one? 980 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:43,160 Speaker 5: Well, my husband is uh, has a little bit of 981 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,840 Speaker 5: the gift. He doesn't like it, doesn't want it, but 982 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,880 Speaker 5: he will hear things and see things. 983 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,319 Speaker 2: And I've the weird thing. 984 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,799 Speaker 5: Is like I've always been like, not skeptical, but kind 985 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,279 Speaker 5: of like, well, is there another explanation? 986 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 2: Are you sure of what's happened? That kind of vibe. 987 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,840 Speaker 5: But he one of our apartments, the first apartment we 988 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 5: lived in together, he would hear like voices call his 989 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,319 Speaker 5: name when he was home by himself, and like the 990 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,160 Speaker 5: dog would hear them too. But I never really experienced 991 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 5: those things until the house we live in now. When 992 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,000 Speaker 5: we first moved in, my sister and her son were 993 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,880 Speaker 5: living here as well, and after they moved out, which 994 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,040 Speaker 5: was this past spring, right before everything went crazy here, 995 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 5: we started. He started before I did. He would see 996 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:38,040 Speaker 5: like shadows like in the doorways, like something was like 997 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,239 Speaker 5: peeking around the door at us, and he didn't want 998 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,759 Speaker 5: to say anything, I guess because I'm a little skeptical. 999 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,000 Speaker 5: And finally he was like I don't know, Like I 1000 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,040 Speaker 5: just I thought I saw something, and my sister was 1001 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,520 Speaker 5: all like I used to see the same thing, and 1002 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,040 Speaker 5: I didn't want to say anything. So it's like concentrated, 1003 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,600 Speaker 5: like kind of is the side of the house where 1004 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,720 Speaker 5: the bedrooms are where like he would see these shadowy things, 1005 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,680 Speaker 5: like peek out through the doorways. He'd be because we 1006 00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,880 Speaker 5: don't smoke, he doesn't. He smokes, but he doesn't smoke 1007 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,000 Speaker 5: in the house, so he'd be out on the porch 1008 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,920 Speaker 5: smoking and then be all like, did you go into 1009 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:15,920 Speaker 5: the bedroom for something? 1010 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:16,840 Speaker 2: Like it's a weird time a. 1011 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,360 Speaker 5: Day for you to be in the bedroom. We're like no, 1012 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 5: and he's like, well, it looks like something was moving 1013 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:25,719 Speaker 5: around in the bedroom. And then so I was like, Okay, 1014 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 5: I don't want to say it didn't happen, but you know, 1015 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,880 Speaker 5: we live on a busy street. There's literally a burger 1016 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 5: king next door to us. You know, it could be 1017 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,399 Speaker 5: just you know, the headlights or whatever. Like I'm trying 1018 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,400 Speaker 5: to come up with other explanations, just kind of partially 1019 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:43,120 Speaker 5: not to freak myself out. But then the one day 1020 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,480 Speaker 5: I was out in the kitchen and I'd been like 1021 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,319 Speaker 5: doing dishes, or something, and so i'd just sit down 1022 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,480 Speaker 5: for a second, take a breather, you know, browse TikTok, 1023 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:58,799 Speaker 5: and I and like I felt him walk past me 1024 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,840 Speaker 5: and go down into the basement like he was gonna 1025 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 5: do laundry. And so then after a bit, I'm like, 1026 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,200 Speaker 5: why is he coming back up? Like it takes like 1027 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,640 Speaker 5: five minutes to if the laundry started, And I got 1028 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,280 Speaker 5: to poke my head down and no one's down there. 1029 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,960 Speaker 5: And so then I walk out into the living room 1030 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,560 Speaker 5: when he's ou out here and he's out on the 1031 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,239 Speaker 5: porch smoking, and I'm like, did you go down and 1032 00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,320 Speaker 5: do laundry. He's like, no, I'm down in the basement 1033 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,680 Speaker 5: all day. So I'm like, I don't know what walked 1034 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,640 Speaker 5: past me because I didn't like see it, like as 1035 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,239 Speaker 5: like a figure was out of the corner of my eye. 1036 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,359 Speaker 5: But I saw movement come into the kitchen and then 1037 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 5: go into the basement. 1038 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 1039 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 3: So with him having the gift, does he have any 1040 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,480 Speaker 3: insight into what's going on? 1041 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:47,799 Speaker 5: Not really like he he tends to see things more, 1042 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:53,960 Speaker 5: but he doesn't get like communication or like feelings about 1043 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,080 Speaker 5: what these these things are. It tends to be more 1044 00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,719 Speaker 5: like he'll see things that no one else is seeing, 1045 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,680 Speaker 5: you know, movements and figures and that sort of thing. 1046 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,640 Speaker 5: So yeah, so he has no idea. The house is 1047 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,200 Speaker 5: about one hundred years old. So I tried googling the 1048 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,800 Speaker 5: addresses to see if something came up, but nothing did. 1049 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 5: But yeah, so we don't know a whole lot besides that. 1050 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,760 Speaker 5: We just we see these figures and it's just the 1051 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:20,760 Speaker 5: two of us. 1052 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,040 Speaker 1: So how do you feel about that? 1053 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,960 Speaker 3: Like, do you do you feel like you might want 1054 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 3: to get someone in there and ghostbust it. 1055 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,880 Speaker 5: Or at the moment, it doesn't, it doesn't bother to 1056 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,560 Speaker 5: me too much because they're like leaving us alone. Because 1057 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,080 Speaker 5: in the meantime, I've had I've had another situation where 1058 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,840 Speaker 5: I kind of felt like it was going on to 1059 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,440 Speaker 5: the basement. We've had the basement door kind of creak 1060 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,440 Speaker 5: open and creaked shut on us, so that it's like 1061 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,520 Speaker 5: it's it's spooky, creepy, but it's not like dangerous feeling. 1062 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,080 Speaker 5: So at the moment, it's kind of like, leave well 1063 00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:55,880 Speaker 5: enough alone and hope it leaves us alone. 1064 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,600 Speaker 1: I guess just coexist. 1065 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:05,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, Well, Paul, these are some good ones. 1066 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean, are there other ones or. 1067 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,520 Speaker 5: That's pretty much it of things that I okay experience. Yeah, 1068 00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,280 Speaker 5: you know, like I said, it's nothing's like a full 1069 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 5: like narrative arc of like. And then we discovered that 1070 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,200 Speaker 5: a little girl died in the attic, you know kind 1071 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 5: of stories. It's just like weird shit just follows me 1072 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:24,160 Speaker 5: around apparently. 1073 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,360 Speaker 1: Well, but you're currently living in a narrative. 1074 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,080 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so you let me know when you find 1075 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,000 Speaker 3: out that there's a little girl buried in the attic 1076 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:34,640 Speaker 3: or whatever. 1077 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:35,959 Speaker 5: I will. 1078 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,240 Speaker 2: I will definitely let you know. 1079 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:44,360 Speaker 1: But I hope not. I've been ghosted too. Special. 1080 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:49,160 Speaker 3: Thank you to Ryan, Claire and Paul, and if you 1081 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,840 Speaker 3: want just a little more of them, head on over 1082 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,040 Speaker 3: to patreon dot com slash ros dres false and you 1083 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,040 Speaker 3: can find some bonus clips of me talking to Ryan 1084 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:06,560 Speaker 3: and Paul. I cannot stop thinking about Claire's ear bleeding 1085 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,760 Speaker 3: as the result of a ghost, and then I started thinking, Okay, 1086 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,400 Speaker 3: the only time I've ever had blood on my ear 1087 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,720 Speaker 3: was when I got my ears pierced at wait for it, 1088 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,760 Speaker 3: Claire's at the Mall at the Glendale Galleria. I went 1089 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,800 Speaker 3: to Claire's and they pierced my ears and it only 1090 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,040 Speaker 3: I mean it bled just a little tiny bit, but 1091 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:30,880 Speaker 3: still I was thinking about that and I'm like, wait, 1092 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 3: but we just heard that story from Claire. Is there 1093 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,240 Speaker 3: a connection there? Am I onto something? Was it the 1094 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,320 Speaker 3: ghost of somebody that worked at Claire's? 1095 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:42,280 Speaker 1: Guys? 1096 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,720 Speaker 3: That's it for twenty twenty in terms of ghosted Listen, 1097 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,760 Speaker 3: we still got things going on in this world, but 1098 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,320 Speaker 3: when it comes to me on this podcast, that's the 1099 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,120 Speaker 3: end of it for this year. 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