WEBVTT - Bush v. Gore: Episode 5 – Contingencies

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<v Speaker 1>previously on Fiasco. Many in this nation are getting anxious.

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<v Speaker 2>There are battles going on in county offices all over

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<v Speaker 2>the state.

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<v Speaker 3>Republican demonstrators storm the hallways.

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<v Speaker 1>They were pounding on the glass, and I mean people

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<v Speaker 1>were really fired up.

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<v Speaker 4>There would be no more counting of votes in Miami.

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<v Speaker 5>Gore made a conscious decision that he would fight in

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<v Speaker 5>the courts, but not on the streets.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's turned out a Palm Beach County where the canvassing

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<v Speaker 6>board is trying to be the deadline of five pm today.

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<v Speaker 7>The Secretary of State has apparently decided to shut us

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<v Speaker 7>down with approximately two hours left to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi hereby declare Governor George W.

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<v Speaker 8>Bush the winner of Florida's twenty five electoral vez what.

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<v Speaker 9>By any reasonable standard, is an incomplete and inaccurate count.

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<v Speaker 1>When Secretary of State Catherine Harris certified the results of

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<v Speaker 1>the Florida election for George W. Bush. The Texas governor,

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<v Speaker 1>took the opportunity to affirm the inevitability of his presidency.

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<v Speaker 10>Secretary Cheney and I are honored and humbled to have

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<v Speaker 10>won the state of Florida, which gives us the needed

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<v Speaker 10>electoral votes to win the election.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a strategy that Bush and his team have

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<v Speaker 1>been using since the recount started. Whenever possible, they would

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<v Speaker 1>try to make it seem like Bush was already president elect.

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<v Speaker 1>They would leak the names of cabinet members he was

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<v Speaker 1>recruiting in Texas.

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<v Speaker 11>Today, Governor Bush had a conspicuous meeting with General Cole

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<v Speaker 11>and Powell have.

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<v Speaker 1>Him give speeches and settings that evoked the White House.

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<v Speaker 12>I understand there are still votes to be counted, but

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<v Speaker 12>I'm in the process of planning in a responsible way

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<v Speaker 12>a potential administration.

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<v Speaker 1>And they would insist over and over that he had

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<v Speaker 1>already won Florida, not once, but twice. After the certification ceremony,

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<v Speaker 1>there was an extra element of posturing to Bush's rhetoric,

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<v Speaker 1>because even though the election in Florida was now technically over,

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<v Speaker 1>Bush knew full well that the Gore campaign was not

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<v Speaker 1>giving up.

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<v Speaker 10>The Vice President's lawyers have indicated he will challenge the

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<v Speaker 10>certified election results. I respectfully ask him to reconsider.

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<v Speaker 1>Gore and his lawyers had just one move left. They

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<v Speaker 1>were going to formally contest the outcome of the election,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would do so by filing a so called

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<v Speaker 1>contest lawsuit, naming the Bush campaign and the Florida Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>of State as defendants.

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<v Speaker 13>Obviously, the great sensitivity in the Gore campaign now to

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<v Speaker 13>make the case to the American people that know this

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<v Speaker 13>is not over.

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<v Speaker 1>The Gore team had fought desperately to avoid the situation

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<v Speaker 1>they now found themselves in. If only they could have

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<v Speaker 1>put more points on the board before Florida's vote count

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<v Speaker 1>was certified, it could have been Bush trying to overturn

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<v Speaker 1>the outcome of the election. Instead, Gore was now officially

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<v Speaker 1>a sore loserman trying to claw his way back from

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<v Speaker 1>the dead, and he was running out of time.

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<v Speaker 9>As Florida's ticking clock becomes a second adversary in the

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<v Speaker 9>desperate search for votes.

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<v Speaker 14>They need decisions, they need them yesterday. They need counts,

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<v Speaker 14>they need the counts right away.

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<v Speaker 2>We've gone from protest certification last night, and now contest.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it's an uphill battle. Not impossible, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's very difficult Roe to hoe. The Gore

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<v Speaker 1>team's mission was to convince a judge that the election

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<v Speaker 1>results did not accurately reflect the will of Florida voters.

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<v Speaker 1>Step one was to figure out what happened before, during,

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<v Speaker 1>and after election day that cast doubt on the legitimacy

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<v Speaker 1>of the outcome.

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<v Speaker 15>The big question as we approached the contest phase was

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<v Speaker 15>what should we be contested.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Jeremy Bash in two thousand. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine year old doing policy work for the Gore

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<v Speaker 1>campaign when the recount started. His law degree earned him

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<v Speaker 1>a junior spot on the legal team in Tallahassee. I

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<v Speaker 1>had never practiced law a day in my life. I

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<v Speaker 1>had served as a law clerk for a federal judge.

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<v Speaker 15>But on election night they said, anybody who's a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 15>if you were working in Nashville, Tennessee, at the Gore

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<v Speaker 15>campaign headquarters, you were told to go home and pack

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<v Speaker 15>for three days and come back and end up having

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<v Speaker 15>to last thirty six days for the full recount.

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<v Speaker 1>Bash had been in Florida for about three weeks when

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<v Speaker 1>Bush's victory was certified and the contest phase of the

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<v Speaker 1>election began. Basher remembers listening in as the campaign's top

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer's brief Gores and his political advisors on what could

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<v Speaker 1>happen next.

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<v Speaker 15>The legal team presented to the campaign leadership a variety

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<v Speaker 15>of options, and in that meeting we laid out all

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<v Speaker 15>the various ways we had suspected that either Democrats' effort

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<v Speaker 15>to vote had been denied or Republicans engaged in some

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<v Speaker 15>quote unquote dirty tricks to prevent Democrats from voting.

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<v Speaker 1>Some members of the Gore team felt they should include

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<v Speaker 1>as many grievances as possible in their complaint. They favored

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<v Speaker 1>a two pronged approach, fighting to count likely Gore votes

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<v Speaker 1>that had been unfairly thrown out, while also fighting to

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<v Speaker 1>throw out likely Bush votes that had been unfairly counted.

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<v Speaker 1>In this maximalist version of the contest lawsuit, the Gore

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers would object to the counting of military ballots that

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<v Speaker 1>lacked proper postmarks and signatures. These were the overseas absente

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<v Speaker 1>ballots you heard about in our previous episode. They would

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<v Speaker 1>also bring up a controversy involving thousands of absente ballot

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<v Speaker 1>applications that had come in without voter ID numbers. Republican

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<v Speaker 1>officials had quote unquote fixed the applications by writing in

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<v Speaker 1>those ID numbers by hand after they were received, and

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<v Speaker 1>the resulting ballots have been counted. Anyway, not everyone on

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<v Speaker 1>the Gore team wanted to go into the contest guns blazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again is Jeremy Bash.

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<v Speaker 15>My view was that if we were going to take

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<v Speaker 15>this thing to court, if we were going to file

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<v Speaker 15>the first contest of a presidential election in US history,

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<v Speaker 15>it should be on the strongest, narrowest, most ironclad grounds

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<v Speaker 15>that we could stand on. We didn't want the voters

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<v Speaker 15>to think that we were throwing everything against the wall

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<v Speaker 15>to see what would stick, that we were really focusing

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<v Speaker 15>only in the areas where we thought that a full

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<v Speaker 15>recount was necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>Bash had arrived at this conclusion by way of his

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<v Speaker 1>daily interactions with journalists who were covering the recount and

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<v Speaker 1>who would come to him with questions about the Gore

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<v Speaker 1>teams legal strategy.

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<v Speaker 14>There was this.

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<v Speaker 15>Deep skepticism about what we were doing, and in general,

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<v Speaker 15>their approach and their attitude was Gore is trying to

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<v Speaker 15>undertake these herculean efforts to reverse the election.

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<v Speaker 16>Result, any sign that he's considering a concession speed.

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<v Speaker 3>The time is fast approaching to accept the certified results

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<v Speaker 3>in Florida and conceive the.

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<v Speaker 7>Election, and one Congressional Democrat has said publicly that Gore

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<v Speaker 7>should throw in the towel.

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<v Speaker 15>It was quite dispiriting, actually, because the whole vibe of

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<v Speaker 15>the reporting was that Gore was behind, we were behind,

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<v Speaker 15>and that we were trying to do something fairly unprecedented

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<v Speaker 15>American history to undermine what had already been decided.

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<v Speaker 17>Apparently, many Americans are ready for this election to be over.

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<v Speaker 17>A new ABC News Washington Post poll shows sixty percent

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<v Speaker 17>of people say Vice President Al Gore should concede the election,

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<v Speaker 17>but thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, Gore's lawyers decided to limit the scope

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<v Speaker 1>of their lawsuit rather than going with the kitchen sink approach,

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of trying to get any Bush votes thrown out,

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<v Speaker 1>they would focus exclusively on getting more Gore votes counted

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost. That would mean asking for the unfinished

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<v Speaker 1>hand recounts in Palm Beach and Miami Day to be completed,

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<v Speaker 1>this time using a more lenient standard for determining voter intent.

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<v Speaker 13>The Democrats trying to make the case now that there

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<v Speaker 13>are roughly fifteen thousand or so votes that have never

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<v Speaker 13>been counted or at least never manually inspected.

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<v Speaker 1>When it came time to pull together the documents for

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<v Speaker 1>the contest filing, Jeremy Bash stood by the office printer

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<v Speaker 1>with Dexter Douglas, another lawyer working for the Gore campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Together they waited for a copy of the complaint to come.

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<v Speaker 15>Out, and we were waiting and waiting and waiting, and

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<v Speaker 15>I said, it feels like Dexter were sitting here waiting for.

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<v Speaker 1>A baby to be delivered. Douglas, who died in twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>had been agitating for a more aggressive approach. He thought

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<v Speaker 1>the Gore team was making a mistake and being so

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<v Speaker 1>focused and meek.

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<v Speaker 15>And he said, well, is it going to be a

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<v Speaker 15>boy or a girl? And we kind of chuckled about that,

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<v Speaker 15>and then when the paper rolled off the printer, we

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<v Speaker 15>both read it and he said, well, it's a boy.

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<v Speaker 15>It's got very small balls, but it's a boy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to say how much of a chance Al

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<v Speaker 1>Gore really had at this point, but the Bush campaign

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<v Speaker 1>and their allies were not taking anything for granted. While

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<v Speaker 1>Gore's lawyers took the extraordinary step of contesting election, Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>in the Florida State Legislature were setting the stage for

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<v Speaker 1>hail Mary of their own.

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<v Speaker 18>The state legislature here in Tallahassee is moving rapidly to

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<v Speaker 18>try to take control of this election away from the courts.

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<v Speaker 1>If the plan worked, the Republicans in the Florida State

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<v Speaker 1>Legislature would be able to deliver the state's twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>electors to Bush. No matter what. I'm Leon Nafock from

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<v Speaker 1>Prolog Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is fiasco Bush v.

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<v Speaker 17>Gore.

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<v Speaker 18>The Republicans here in Tallahassee brought down the hammer tonight's.

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<v Speaker 14>Leu essentially wipe out the entire election.

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<v Speaker 19>If you do not like political chaos, it's about time

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<v Speaker 19>to head for the storm.

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<v Speaker 7>Seller.

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<v Speaker 20>When they had offered me the bulletproof vest I think

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<v Speaker 20>that scared me more than anything else.

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<v Speaker 3>Dead Those couple of hours today were just positively.

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<v Speaker 1>Explosive Episode five contingencies. As a threat of a constitutional

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<v Speaker 1>crisis hangs over Tallahassee, both Democrats and Republicans prepared a

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<v Speaker 1>cross line never before crossed in modern politics, the Florida

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<v Speaker 1>State Legislature was a lopsided body. In the state Senate,

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans outnumbered Democrats twenty five to fifteen. In the State House,

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans outnumbered Democrats seventy seven to forty three. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a factive life in Florida that if Republicans in the

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<v Speaker 1>state Legislature rallied around an idea, they could take it

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<v Speaker 1>all the way without any Democratic support.

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<v Speaker 21>Good afternoon, everyone. I hope those of you that aren't

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<v Speaker 21>from Florida are enjoying your Florida vacation and our economy

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<v Speaker 21>appreciate your help.

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<v Speaker 1>That's John McKay, the Republican president of the Florida State

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<v Speaker 1>Senate at the time of the recount. A few hours

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<v Speaker 1>after the Gore team filed their contest lawsuit at the

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<v Speaker 1>Leon County Courthouse in Tallahassee, McKay held a press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>He took the opportunity to lay out his view of

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<v Speaker 1>how the state legislature can help rescue Florida from its

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing political nightmare.

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<v Speaker 21>The US Constitution and the federal law vest the legislature

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<v Speaker 21>with the ultimate authority to designate the manner of appointing

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<v Speaker 21>presidential electors.

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<v Speaker 1>To grasp what McKay was proposing. It helps to have

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<v Speaker 1>a literal understanding of what the electoral college is and

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<v Speaker 1>what it means in practice to be a presidential elector.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people don't realize that when they vote for president,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not voting directly for their candidate.

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<v Speaker 22>They think they're voting for a presidential candidate, and they're not.

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<v Speaker 22>They're voting for electors that have been put up by

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<v Speaker 22>each of the parties.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, each state gets to pick a certain number of

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<v Speaker 1>electors to represent them in the electoral College, and when

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<v Speaker 1>you vote for president on election day, you're actually voting

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<v Speaker 1>for the electors that have been chosen by your candidate's

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<v Speaker 1>political party. So, for instance, when Bill Clinton won Florida

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety six, the Democratic Party sent a slate

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty five Democratic electors to vote in the electoral College,

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<v Speaker 1>Florida's behalf. All of this happens on a strict schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand, all five hundred and thirty eight electors

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<v Speaker 1>around the country were supposed to cast their votes on

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<v Speaker 1>December eighteenth.

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<v Speaker 9>By December eighteenth, those electors must send their votes to Washington.

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<v Speaker 9>On January sixth, the new Congress certifies the vote. January twentieth,

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<v Speaker 9>a new president is inaugurated, so.

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<v Speaker 1>A little over a month before the new president would

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<v Speaker 1>be inaugurated. Crucially, federal law also called for each state

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<v Speaker 1>to choose its electors six days before the electoral college

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<v Speaker 1>vote took place.

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<v Speaker 9>December twelfth is key the day Florida certifies its electors.

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<v Speaker 1>On the day Gore filed the contest lawsuit and Florida

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<v Speaker 1>Senate President John McKay gave his press conference that was

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<v Speaker 1>a little more than two weeks away.

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<v Speaker 21>If unresolved by the twelfth, then the Legislature has the

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<v Speaker 21>authority and may have the responsibility to step in to

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<v Speaker 21>determine and communicate to Congress Florida's electors.

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<v Speaker 1>It was McKay's view that all the suing and hand

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<v Speaker 1>counting and contesting that al Gore was doing was placing

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<v Speaker 1>Florida's electoral votes in jeopardy. McKay and his fellow Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>feared that if all the legal wrangling wasn't over by

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<v Speaker 1>December twelfth, Florida would be left out of the electoral

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<v Speaker 1>college vote altogether, and none of Florida's six million ballots

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<v Speaker 1>would count At all. The Republicans found their solution in

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<v Speaker 1>Title three, Chapter one, Section two of the US Code,

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<v Speaker 1>which said that the state legislature had the power to intervene.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again is McKay.

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<v Speaker 22>I did not want Florida's voters votes not to be counted,

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<v Speaker 22>and if I remember correctly, about six million people voted

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<v Speaker 22>that year. I wanted to make sure those votes were counted,

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<v Speaker 22>and I hoped that the court system would resolve it.

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<v Speaker 22>But if they didn't, the legislature had to be prepared

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<v Speaker 22>to go into session or else everyone's votes in Florida

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<v Speaker 22>would not be counted.

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<v Speaker 1>The Democrats in Florida did not buy this rationale, convinced

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<v Speaker 1>that the Republicans were scheming to deliver Florida's electors to Bush,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of how Gore's contest lawsuit turned out or who

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately prevailed in the state's popular vote.

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<v Speaker 18>Angry Democrats charging today, but that would be little more

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<v Speaker 18>than a naked attempt to fix the election for George W.

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<v Speaker 9>Bush.

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<v Speaker 23>We should not serve as an insurance policy for a

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<v Speaker 23>Bush presidency.

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<v Speaker 6>To go down this road is to shake the very

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<v Speaker 6>foundations of.

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<v Speaker 1>Our democracy as they saw it. McKay and the Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>were laying the groundwork for a power grab, an unconscionable

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<v Speaker 1>and run around Florida's electorate.

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<v Speaker 14>They were going to change Florida law after the fact

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<v Speaker 14>to say that the ballots people would cast an election

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<v Speaker 14>date had zero impact on Florida's electors. That instead that

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<v Speaker 14>the legislators would meet and they would elect a slate

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<v Speaker 14>of electors.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Ron Klain, who served as the top legal

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<v Speaker 1>strategist on Gore's recount team in Florida.

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<v Speaker 14>So they would essentially wipe out the entire election.

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<v Speaker 9>You know.

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<v Speaker 14>Their basic argument was, Hey, it's a mass it's confusing.

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<v Speaker 14>How about this, how about we let these fine legislators

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<v Speaker 14>over here decide whether not Bush or Gore will be president.

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<v Speaker 1>McKay rejects this characterization. He told me that he only

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<v Speaker 1>grudgingly endorsed the idea of the so called en run,

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<v Speaker 1>and though he was prepared to carry it out if

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like Florida's electors wouldn't otherwise be seated in time,

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<v Speaker 1>he shuddered to think of the president it would say.

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<v Speaker 22>I was concerned, and I'm still concerned that if you

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<v Speaker 22>had similar circumstances and you had a rabbit legislature that

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<v Speaker 22>the partisanship would trump comments sense. And I thought that

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<v Speaker 22>the legislature acting to select a presidential candidate could, perhaps

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<v Speaker 22>one hundred years from now, give precedent where a legislature

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<v Speaker 22>might do that. And I didn't want to be part

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<v Speaker 22>of giving somebody a blueprint for ill purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't want to do this right because you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to set a precedent for someone else down the

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<v Speaker 1>line to take over RISI and the Democrats as they

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<v Speaker 1>saw you doing, they said, that's what you're doing. You're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to take over this election. So what was your

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<v Speaker 1>rebuttal to that?

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<v Speaker 22>My rebuttal would have been had anybody ask me that question.

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<v Speaker 22>I've postponed this as long as I can possibly postpone

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<v Speaker 22>it without jeopardizing the votes of six million Floridians.

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<v Speaker 1>Even as plans for the legislative endron solidified in the Capitol,

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<v Speaker 1>Gore's effort to contest the election was just getting started.

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<v Speaker 24>We're expecting in ten minutes for two lawyers for al

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<v Speaker 24>Gore to walk into this courthouse, the Leon County Circuit

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<v Speaker 24>Court in Tallahassee and officially challenged the results of the

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<v Speaker 24>presidential election. In the United States of America in the

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<v Speaker 24>year two thousand.

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<v Speaker 14>The two lawyers.

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<v Speaker 1>It was November twenty seventh when Jeremy Bash and Dexter

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas took the contest lawsuit out of their office printer

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<v Speaker 1>and walked it over to the courthouse. Cameras flashed around

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<v Speaker 1>them as journalists tried to capture the historic.

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<v Speaker 16>Moment as the attorneys for al Gore come into that

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<v Speaker 16>courthouse and file their contest to the results. As you

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<v Speaker 16>can see here walking across with some degree of consciousness

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<v Speaker 16>and ceremony, albeit somewhat informal.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again is Jeremy Bash.

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<v Speaker 15>I held the pleadings in my hand, and I slid

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<v Speaker 15>the complaint under the glass window. It was the first

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<v Speaker 15>contest of a presidential election US history that I filed

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<v Speaker 15>with my own hands. And the staff at the Leon

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<v Speaker 15>County Courthouse took the pleading. They turned their back on us,

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<v Speaker 15>and they went to the back of their workspace and

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<v Speaker 15>they spun a wheel.

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<v Speaker 22>What will happen is it will be assigned to a judge.

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<v Speaker 14>A judge will then.

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<v Speaker 1>Set a date for a The wheel, which was actually

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<v Speaker 1>just a computer program, would determine which judge the Leon

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<v Speaker 1>County Circuit Court would be assigned to preside over the contest.

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<v Speaker 1>Going into the Scampbell, Tallahassee Native Dexter Douglas had given

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<v Speaker 1>the Gor team permission to be optimistic. In his opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the judges in the pool would be receptive

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<v Speaker 1>to their arguments.

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<v Speaker 15>And they pulled a name off of the wheel and

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<v Speaker 15>they came back and they said, you have been given

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<v Speaker 15>Judge sauls that's what the wheel has given you. And

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<v Speaker 15>Dexter Douglas he motioned at me like, don't say anything,

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<v Speaker 15>but he kind of just shook his head and he said,

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<v Speaker 15>can I of motion?

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<v Speaker 1>Come with me?

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<v Speaker 15>And we scurried back down the hallway into the elevator.

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<v Speaker 15>We were followed by the press, and once the elevator

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<v Speaker 15>doors closed and the press was out of earshot, Dexter

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<v Speaker 15>just said to us, he said, that's a bad seed.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a bad draw. Judge Saws is not good for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge N. Sanders Saws was a lifelong North Florida Conservative.

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<v Speaker 1>He also had a contentious history with the Florida Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 1>which many Republicans perceived as being biased towards Gore.

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<v Speaker 7>Judge N. Sanders Salt and his rn ends with the

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<v Speaker 7>Florida Supreme Court, his being a very strict constructionist, and

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<v Speaker 7>here's a case.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost immediately the Gore team realized they had to get

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<v Speaker 1>the contest lawsuit out of Saualz's courtroom one way or another.

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<v Speaker 1>They briefly considered asking him to accuse, but they decided

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<v Speaker 1>against it. Instead, they set out to lose as quickly

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<v Speaker 1>as possible. Here again is Gore recount strategist Ron Klain.

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<v Speaker 14>In the few minutes after it happened, as we were

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<v Speaker 14>sitting around discussing trial strategy, and it was very simply this,

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<v Speaker 14>we need to lose, and we need to lose fast.

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<v Speaker 1>The faster they could get a ruling out of Saulves.

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<v Speaker 1>The Gore team vigured, the faster they could appeal the

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<v Speaker 1>case and get it in front of the Florida Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>At least there they would have a chance.

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<v Speaker 11>As the battle on the Florida Arena shifted to the

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<v Speaker 11>legal arena, the Gore campaign brought in a heavyweight. His

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<v Speaker 11>name is David Boys, and he's a legend in his

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<v Speaker 11>own time, a New York lawrior with an enviable record

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<v Speaker 11>in a quirky personal style.

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<v Speaker 1>David Boys was in a meeting with Calvin Klein when

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<v Speaker 1>one of Gore's friends called his law offics and asked

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<v Speaker 1>him to join the recount effort Florida. Boys was representing

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<v Speaker 1>Klein in a trademark case that was supposed to go

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<v Speaker 1>to trial soon, but he wasn't about to say no

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<v Speaker 1>to helping the Vice President.

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<v Speaker 5>Even at that stage. We knew it was an important case.

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<v Speaker 5>We knew it was a case that was going to

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<v Speaker 5>involve historic decisions, and to have an opportunity to have

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<v Speaker 5>a front row seat and maybe even be a participant

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<v Speaker 5>was something that would have been hard to turn down.

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<v Speaker 1>Boys had won some of the most spectacular lawsuits in

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<v Speaker 1>the past fifteen years. He had represented the federal government

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<v Speaker 1>in the monopoly case against Microsoft. He had also represented

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Yankees in an anti trust suit against

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<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball. Boys was known for speaking in court

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<v Speaker 1>without notes and for showing up to arguments wearing sneakers

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<v Speaker 1>to fill out the picture of the eccentric genius. He

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<v Speaker 1>was frequently seen eating candy or ice cream.

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<v Speaker 9>Last year's Lawyer of the Year, according to the National

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<v Speaker 9>Law Journal, profiled in Vanity Fair and People Magazine, the

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<v Speaker 9>litigator in cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>Boys was responsible for crafting the lose fast strategy in

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<v Speaker 1>front of Judge Salls. Instead of calling dozens of witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>in order to prove that manual recounts were needed in

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<v Speaker 1>Palm Beach and Miami Dade, Boys just wanted to keep

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<v Speaker 1>things moving. The December twelfth deadline for seating electors was

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<v Speaker 1>weighing on him, and if the Gore team's end game

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<v Speaker 1>was to get the case to the Florida Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>and then have the ballots counted by hand, they had

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<v Speaker 1>to get through the SAAL's trial as efficiently as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>To save time, Boys asked Saals to order the ballots

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<v Speaker 1>from Miami Dade and Palm Beach transported to Tallahassee. That way,

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<v Speaker 1>if the judge did decide to do a manual recount,

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<v Speaker 1>at least the ballots would already be there.

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<v Speaker 5>We wanted to get the ballots up in Tallahassee so

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<v Speaker 5>that they could be counted quickly. We didn't want to

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<v Speaker 5>waste another day after a decision getting the ballots up

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<v Speaker 5>there to be counted.

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<v Speaker 1>After Judge Sauls granted Boys's request, the one point one

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<v Speaker 1>million ballots cast in Miami Dade in Palm Beach were

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<v Speaker 1>placed in boxes and driven up to Tallahassee in trucks.

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<v Speaker 11>More than four hundred and sixty thousand ballots from Palm

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<v Speaker 11>Beach County were packed into a rider truck and driven

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<v Speaker 11>to the state capitol in Tallahausee today.

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<v Speaker 1>A woman named Ivy Corman, who worked in the Miami

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<v Speaker 1>Dade Election Supervisor's office, was assigned to watch over the

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<v Speaker 1>ballots as they made the trip.

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<v Speaker 25>When all of the ballots needed to go up for

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<v Speaker 25>storage in Tallahassee, it was loaded by warehouse personnel. We

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<v Speaker 25>got it all in there, everything was locked up, and

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<v Speaker 25>that was it, and we just took.

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<v Speaker 15>Off the six hundred thousand ballots more than two tons worth,

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<v Speaker 15>that were loaded up and sent by truck from Miami

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<v Speaker 15>to Tallahassee.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, as the truck sped down the highway, flanked by

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement vehicles, TV news helicopters glided above and broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>the journey live.

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<v Speaker 3>The election battle as television spectacle. In the company of

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<v Speaker 3>police SWAT teams. More than a million ballots from Miami

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<v Speaker 3>Dade and Palm Beach Counties driven in the convoy to

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<v Speaker 3>the state capitol Tallahassee.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the IVY Corman remembers feeling like she was

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<v Speaker 1>part of a huge production.

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<v Speaker 25>They had the SWAT team come and we were going

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<v Speaker 25>to have a policeman, a SWAT member, and myself with

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<v Speaker 25>the ballots in one truck, then an empty truck in

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<v Speaker 25>case this truck broke down, then another policeman. Then we

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<v Speaker 25>had cars of Republican officials, Democratic officials, We had newspaper reporters, everybody.

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<v Speaker 25>There must have been at least a caravan of thirty

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<v Speaker 25>cars and a helicopter.

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<v Speaker 26>The final installment of that million ballot convoy delivered from

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<v Speaker 26>Miami today.

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<v Speaker 1>Caravan arrived in Tallahassee in the late afternoon of December. First,

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<v Speaker 1>did you help unload the truck?

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<v Speaker 27>I hack?

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<v Speaker 25>No, No, I didn't. We signed over custody to the

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<v Speaker 25>Leon County Supervisor of Elections and said goodbye, thank you,

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<v Speaker 25>and that was that.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, despite repeated prodding from the GORGE team,

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<v Speaker 1>Sauls declined to count or even look at the ballots

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<v Speaker 1>that had come in from Palm Beach and Miami Dade. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he listened to testimony from a handful of expert witnesses,

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<v Speaker 1>including a statistician who had studied voting technology and an

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<v Speaker 1>inventor who had helped design the punch card machine.

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<v Speaker 26>Their expert witness points to flaws in the bodomatics design,

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<v Speaker 26>years of wear, and voter confusion.

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<v Speaker 9>This cover this machine is fall to the brim with Chad.

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<v Speaker 1>On December fourth, after two days of testimony, Sauls was

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<v Speaker 1>ready to rule.

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<v Speaker 28>We were watching Judge Sanders Saul's courtroom. The attorneys have

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<v Speaker 28>filed in David Boyce and his legal team. They are

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<v Speaker 28>waiting for the judge's decision, which we expect to be

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<v Speaker 28>announced within a matter of minutes.

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<v Speaker 9>Here while we wait.

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<v Speaker 1>For that, Saul's read his decision out loud in court.

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<v Speaker 1>He was ruling against Gore on every aspect of his complaint.

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<v Speaker 12>In this case, there's no credible statistical evidence and no

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<v Speaker 12>other confidence substantial evidence to establish a reasonable probability that

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<v Speaker 12>the results of the state wide election in the state

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<v Speaker 12>of Florida would be different.

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<v Speaker 13>Judge Saws turned down pretty much every element of the

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<v Speaker 13>Gore case presented over this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>For Jeremy Bash and the other Gore lawyers have been

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<v Speaker 1>expecting Sauls to rule against them. In fact, they already

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<v Speaker 1>had their appeal notice ready to go.

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<v Speaker 15>I was sitting in the court when Judge Saws issued

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<v Speaker 15>his ruling, and I had the appellate notice already written.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in a Manila folder.

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<v Speaker 15>And as soon as Judge Sauls issued his ruling, the

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<v Speaker 15>trial team motioned to me go. Within a matter of minutes,

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<v Speaker 15>I was down at the Florida Court of Appeals, banging

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<v Speaker 15>on the window, banging on the door, hoping anyone would

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<v Speaker 15>come forward so I could hand them this document. Finally

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<v Speaker 15>we found someone to take the document.

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<v Speaker 1>It was official. The contest lawsuit was being kicked up

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<v Speaker 1>to the Florida Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 29>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 30>Actually, Joey, I've already been on the phone with two

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<v Speaker 30>Gore campaign spokesman on this.

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<v Speaker 14>The first, Doug Hadaway.

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<v Speaker 30>I said that quote, everybody expected this to be a

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<v Speaker 30>Florida Supreme Court by dinner time today, regardless of what

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<v Speaker 30>this judge said.

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<v Speaker 14>So here we go.

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<v Speaker 4>Most of you have reported that both sides said today

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<v Speaker 4>that if they lost, they would appeal to the Florida

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<v Speaker 4>Supreme Court. We said it, they said it. They won,

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<v Speaker 4>we lost, We're appealing. This is going to be resolved

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<v Speaker 4>by the Florida Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>The Florida Supreme Court's decision to hear Gore's appeal in

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<v Speaker 1>the contest lawsuit was like a bat signal to the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans and the Florida State Legislature. Suddenly it seemed all

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<v Speaker 1>the more crucial to have a backup plan in place.

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<v Speaker 1>Who could say how long the case would take to

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<v Speaker 1>resolve itself, and now that these liberal judges had their

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<v Speaker 1>hands on it, who could say whether it would be

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<v Speaker 1>resolved in the right way.

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<v Speaker 18>The Republicans here in Tallahassee brought down the hammer Tonight's

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<v Speaker 18>essentially telling Vice President Gore they'll award the state's presidential

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<v Speaker 18>electors to Governor Bush.

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<v Speaker 1>Not The Florida State Legislature was going into a special

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<v Speaker 1>session in order to start the process of seating Florida's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five electors.

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<v Speaker 11>The Republican controlled state legislature is taking no chances. It's

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<v Speaker 11>now scheduled a special session to name electors, just in

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<v Speaker 11>case their process is stalled or the state Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 11>rules against Governor Bush.

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<v Speaker 1>Tallahassee Democrats were furious, and they tried to link the

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<v Speaker 1>plan to George Bush's campaign and his.

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<v Speaker 26>Brother Jeb Sadly, I have to say that I believe

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<v Speaker 26>this is orchestrated and the only thing missing from the

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<v Speaker 26>proclamation today was the postmark from Austin, Texas.

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<v Speaker 18>The Democrats are seething tonight's a senior Gore advisor telling

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<v Speaker 18>NBC News quotes, the American people will not accept the

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<v Speaker 18>decision by Florida Governor Jeb Bush and his friends in

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<v Speaker 18>the Florida legislature to take the decision away from the

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<v Speaker 18>people and the independent courts.

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<v Speaker 1>Gore advisor Ron Klain thought it was time for his

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<v Speaker 1>team to make a contingency plan of their own.

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<v Speaker 14>There are a lot of ways in which we thought

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<v Speaker 14>it was possible that we would have won, and had

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<v Speaker 14>a court ruling said we won, and still the Republican

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<v Speaker 14>y legislators would have gathered at the Florida State Capitol

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<v Speaker 14>at the appointed time and hour and cast their votes

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<v Speaker 14>for George Bush. And so we needed a strategy to

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<v Speaker 14>deal with that.

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<v Speaker 1>That strategy would come to be known internally as Plan X.

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<v Speaker 1>Claim called it the Gore team's most extreme thought.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, the electoral College doesn't really meet all in

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<v Speaker 14>one place at one time. When we say the electoral College,

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<v Speaker 14>what it is is each state separate electors. They gather

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<v Speaker 14>in their state's capital. They cast their ballots there, and

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<v Speaker 14>the ballots are then transmitted to the Archivist of the

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<v Speaker 14>United States. Now, one of the intriguing things about Florida

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<v Speaker 14>is it actually has two state capitals.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course it does, but to be clear, Claan means

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<v Speaker 1>Florida had two state capitol buildings. They were both in Tallahassee.

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<v Speaker 1>One was fully functional and had been in nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 1>The other dated back to the nineteenth century and had

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<v Speaker 1>been converted into a museum of Florida history after the

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<v Speaker 1>new one was built. Now, I know this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to sound convoluted, but that's because it was. The electoral

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<v Speaker 1>College was scheduled to vote for president on December eighteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the only day the country's five hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight electors could legally cast their votes. So if

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<v Speaker 1>the contest lawsuit ended up going Gore's way after the eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>and he picked up enough votes to overtake Bush's lead,

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<v Speaker 1>it would still be too late for the Gore campaign

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<v Speaker 1>to make it count in the electoral College. To avoid

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<v Speaker 1>that situation, ron Clam moved to take advantage of an

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<v Speaker 1>ambiguity in Florida law which specified that the state's electors

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<v Speaker 1>had to gather in Tallahassee, but didn't specify where exactly

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<v Speaker 1>they had to go.

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<v Speaker 14>And we had a plan, a contingency plan to have

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<v Speaker 14>our electors come to Tallahassee and meet in the old

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<v Speaker 14>State Capitol building and cast their votes for al Gore

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<v Speaker 14>and send those votes to the archivist, even as the

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<v Speaker 14>Bush vote electors were meeting in the new State Capitol

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<v Speaker 14>and casting their votes for George Bush.

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<v Speaker 1>Claim knew that Plan X was a zany idea. In

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<v Speaker 1>the same way Senate President John McKay didn't cherish the

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<v Speaker 1>prospect of the legislative end run. Claim didn't really want

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<v Speaker 1>to go through with it, but he felt that the

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<v Speaker 1>Florida Republicans were giving him no choice.

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<v Speaker 14>Now, again, we wouldn't have done that unless we had

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<v Speaker 14>a court order saying that we thought our electors were

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<v Speaker 14>the right electors. But you know, we really were planning

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<v Speaker 14>for every possible contingency here.

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<v Speaker 1>You might be wondering what would have happened if Florida

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<v Speaker 1>had sent in two sets of votes, one from a

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<v Speaker 1>slate of Bush electors, the other from a slate of

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<v Speaker 1>Gore electors. Al Gore actually had the same question. His

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<v Speaker 1>friend Walter Dellinger, the former Solicitor General, told him the

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<v Speaker 1>dispute would be resolved in the US Congress.

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<v Speaker 31>Here's Dellinger, because the Constitution gives Congress the authority to

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<v Speaker 31>count the ballots, and any dispute over you know, who

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<v Speaker 31>won a particular electoral vote could be resolved by Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>In this scenario, two envelopes from Florida would be given

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<v Speaker 1>to Congress, one saying that the state's twenty five electors

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<v Speaker 1>had voted for Gore, and the other one saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they had voted for Bush. The official count would be

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<v Speaker 1>overseen by the President of the Senate otherwise known as

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<v Speaker 1>the sitting Vice President otherwise known as Al Gore.

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<v Speaker 31>When the votes are open in front of both houses assembled.

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<v Speaker 31>When the vote is announced, that vote can be overturned

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<v Speaker 31>or rejected only by an action of both the House

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<v Speaker 31>and the Senate. Vice President. Gore is listening eagerly as

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<v Speaker 31>I am explaining what happens, that whatever envelope.

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<v Speaker 1>Is opened will be.

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<v Speaker 31>The vote of Florida. And he says, who decides what

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<v Speaker 31>envelope to open? First?

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<v Speaker 1>Good question. That was my next question too.

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<v Speaker 31>And I said, you will still be the presiding officer

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<v Speaker 31>of the Senate. You'll be the one to choose which

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<v Speaker 31>ballot to open.

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<v Speaker 1>Gore wouldn't get to unilaterally declare himself president, but still

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<v Speaker 1>he knew how it would look.

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<v Speaker 31>And he looked at me and said, well, I just

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<v Speaker 31>have one question. Did they have to wait for me

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<v Speaker 31>to be sworn in before beginning appeacement proceedings or could

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<v Speaker 31>they start right then?

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<v Speaker 1>More after the break.

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<v Speaker 3>Live pictures here of the tense city that has grown

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<v Speaker 3>outside the Florida State Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>As the Florida Supreme Court prepared to hear Al Gore's

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<v Speaker 1>appeal in the contest lawsuit, Tallahassee was getting more hectic

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<v Speaker 1>and media saturated by the day. Even the lawyers, especially

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<v Speaker 1>David Boys from the Gore side and local Florida attorney

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<v Speaker 1>Barry Richard from the Bush side, walked around like celebrities.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's boys.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody recognized Barry Richards and myself. You know, people driving

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<v Speaker 5>by would shout out to him, don't let them steal

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<v Speaker 5>the election, or our supporters would you know, don't let them,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, bury our ballots. So, I mean, somebody was

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<v Speaker 5>always yelling out to you, either encouraging you or trying

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<v Speaker 5>to discourage you.

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<v Speaker 18>Today, hundreds of pro GOURG demonstrators rally outside the state Capitol.

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<v Speaker 1>News trucks flooded the area. Protesters arrived early each morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and with them a crowd of attention seekers who were

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<v Speaker 1>less motivated by politics. By the presence of cameras.

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<v Speaker 2>There were people dressed in clown outfits. They were having

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more fun out there than I was having

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<v Speaker 2>inside the building.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Charles Wells. He was the Chief Justice of the

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<v Speaker 1>Florida Supreme Court in two thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a lady that brought her pet skunk, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a great act because you can make that

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<v Speaker 2>skunk do backwards sumrsaults.

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<v Speaker 1>It was against this backdrop that in December seventh, the

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<v Speaker 1>Florida Supreme Court heard oral arguments in Gore v. Harris.

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<v Speaker 27>Americans maybe just hours away from their clearest few yet

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<v Speaker 27>of will be the next president. A live picture right

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<v Speaker 27>now from the Florida Supreme Court any moment. Oral arguments

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<v Speaker 27>will begin here in this courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>The question before the court was whether Judge Sauls had

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<v Speaker 1>aired in denying the Gore team's contest petition. The legal

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<v Speaker 1>standard at play was not exactly objective. According to Florida law,

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<v Speaker 1>the losing candidate had to show that there had been

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<v Speaker 1>counting errors that placed the result of the election in doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>But what that meant was up for interpretation.

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<v Speaker 32>Good morning, and welcome once again to the Florida Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 32>where we'll have oral argument this morning in the case

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<v Speaker 32>of Gore versus Harris.

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<v Speaker 1>In one corner stood David Boys and the other Barry Richard. I.

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<v Speaker 1>Though they looked like sworn enemies in the courtroom, the

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<v Speaker 1>truth was they liked each other, and when they weren't working,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd been hanging out together at a sports bar in

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<v Speaker 1>your Boys's hotel.

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<v Speaker 5>We were so deep into the weeds of this that

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<v Speaker 5>in some senses, we were each the only person the

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<v Speaker 5>other could talk to that cared enough about some of

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<v Speaker 5>these details to really be interested in talking about it,

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<v Speaker 5>even your children and your wife. It's my eyes begin

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<v Speaker 5>to glaze over sometimes when you are really deeply involved

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<v Speaker 5>in one of these complicated cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Boys and Richard took pleasure in competing with each other.

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<v Speaker 29>One of the things made it so much fun for

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<v Speaker 29>me is that David and I were sparring with each

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<v Speaker 29>other for the fun of it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Barry Richard.

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<v Speaker 29>I've never been much of an athlete, but I suspect

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<v Speaker 29>that professional athletes enjoy what they do most when they

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<v Speaker 29>are opposing to somebody else who they feel is at

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<v Speaker 29>the top of his game, and.

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<v Speaker 1>David Boys at the toughest game.

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<v Speaker 29>So it was a great challenge, and it was fun,

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<v Speaker 29>it was intellectually stimulated, and I got famous.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was the dynamic at play between David Boys

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<v Speaker 1>and Barry Richard, who they sparred with each other at

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<v Speaker 1>the Florida Supreme Court in.

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<v Speaker 4>Which we have identified specific votes, many of which were

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<v Speaker 4>agreed by the district Court, were votes in which you

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<v Speaker 4>could clearly discern the voter's intent, and fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>The positions they took will sound familiar to you. Richard

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<v Speaker 1>argued that the recount process had already played itself out

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<v Speaker 1>fair and square, while Boys made the case that getting

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<v Speaker 1>an accurate vote count should take precedence over any other consideration.

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<v Speaker 5>The simple argument that I made to the Florida Supreme

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<v Speaker 5>Court was that Florida law for one hundred years had

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<v Speaker 5>held that what was important was to discern the intent

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<v Speaker 5>of the voter, and that in order to discern the

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<v Speaker 5>intent of the voter. In a close election, you would

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<v Speaker 5>have a manual recount.

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<v Speaker 1>It was clear from the questions that they were asking

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<v Speaker 1>that some of the Florida justices were sympathetic to Boys's argument,

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<v Speaker 1>while others were not. Among the sympathetic ones was Justice

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Perrienti, who was frustrated with Judge Sauls for refusing

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<v Speaker 1>to look at the ballots from Palm Beach and Miami Dade.

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<v Speaker 8>He never looked at a single ballot. They had been

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<v Speaker 8>brought up there, he had ordered them up. He never

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<v Speaker 8>looked at them.

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<v Speaker 1>Perry Andy thought it was obvious that looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>ballots was the best way to figure out who won

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<v Speaker 1>the election. At one point during the hearing, she and

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<v Speaker 1>one of her colleagues started asking why Gore was only

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<v Speaker 1>seeking manual recounts in two counties rather than the whole state.

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<v Speaker 4>When you have a very close election, you have to

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<v Speaker 4>have a manual review of those ballots in order to

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<v Speaker 4>have an ac retality.

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<v Speaker 8>So why wouldn't that apply to all the other counties,

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<v Speaker 8>at least the punch card counties where there are under

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<v Speaker 8>votes and those votes also haven't been counted, and.

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<v Speaker 23>You've demonstrated that there's legal votes that have not been counted.

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<v Speaker 23>Why would that not exist in other counties? And why

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<v Speaker 23>would this not require, if any judicial relief that be

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<v Speaker 23>applied in a statewide undervote.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there are two.

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<v Speaker 1>Prior to oral arguments, a statewide manual recount wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>really on the table. Gore had proposed the idea once

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<v Speaker 1>in a televised a dress back in mid November, but

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<v Speaker 1>Bush had promptly rejected it. Now, with just days left

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<v Speaker 1>until the December twelfth Electoral College deadline, it seemed as

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<v Speaker 1>though some members of the Florida Supreme Court thought a

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<v Speaker 1>statewide manual recount was a pretty good idea. Here again

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<v Speaker 1>is Perriente.

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<v Speaker 8>How do you favor three counties with counting under votes

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<v Speaker 8>when you don't do it equally for all counties?

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<v Speaker 1>A statewide manual recount had the potential to be transformative,

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<v Speaker 1>though it was hard to predict how exactly the vote

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<v Speaker 1>total would change. The fact that thousands of discarded ballots

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<v Speaker 1>might now be back in the mix meant that Gore

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<v Speaker 1>would have that many more chances to cut into Bush's lead,

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<v Speaker 1>But not everyone was enthused. Chief Justice Wells had been

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<v Speaker 1>preoccupied with the upcoming deadline for seating Florida's electors, and

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<v Speaker 1>it struck him as lunacy to try to undertake such

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<v Speaker 1>a gargantuan task with so little time left on the clock.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it became pretty obvious the questions that were

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<v Speaker 2>being asked that the December twelfth deadline was not bothering

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<v Speaker 2>some of my colleagues like it was bothering me.

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<v Speaker 1>After oral arguments, as the justices began to conference, peri

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<v Speaker 1>Anti took the position that recounts were clearly needed in

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<v Speaker 1>Palm Beach and Miami Dade, but the only way to

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<v Speaker 1>be fair to every voter in the state, Parentti thought

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<v Speaker 1>was to hand count all the undervotes that had been

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<v Speaker 1>cast across Florida. Some of Perianti's colleagues, including Chief Justice Wells,

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't think that was possible.

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<v Speaker 8>I think there was a belief that there was no

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<v Speaker 8>way that this court could end up ensuring that every

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<v Speaker 8>vote would be counted, that there would always be questions,

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<v Speaker 8>and so it was better at that time to keep

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<v Speaker 8>our hands off and let the controversy because we were

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<v Speaker 8>approaching a time where it was a feeling that Florida's

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<v Speaker 8>vote needed to be counted in the Electoral College, and

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<v Speaker 8>if it lasted much longer, it wouldn't have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Justice Wells had a more fundamental objection as well, in

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<v Speaker 1>erase this impossibly tight there was simply no way to

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<v Speaker 1>arrive at an objectively accurate vote count.

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<v Speaker 2>It become evident to me that we were not going

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<v Speaker 2>to ever get to a point in which the margin

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<v Speaker 2>of victory exceeded the margin of error here to an

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<v Speaker 2>extent that we could refine it by continuing to a

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<v Speaker 2>recount that was so uncertain as to how it was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be done, and so that we had to

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<v Speaker 2>conclude it.

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<v Speaker 27>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Tensions are high, Questions are being asked, what is the verdict?

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<v Speaker 18>We should find out shortly, we believe.

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<v Speaker 1>On the afternoon of December eighth, the justices of the

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<v Speaker 1>Florida Supreme Court released their decision for.

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<v Speaker 32>A couple of minutes away from hearing from the Florida.

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<v Speaker 19>State Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 7>The scene there and the steps of the Florida Supreme

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<v Speaker 7>Court in Tallahassee, Florida, we understand.

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<v Speaker 1>The job of relaying into the public fell to the

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<v Speaker 1>court spokesman, Craig Waters. Waters had been summarizing the decisions

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<v Speaker 1>of the court and communicating with the press since early

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<v Speaker 1>in the recount. Whenever reporters saw his podium getting set

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<v Speaker 1>up on the steps of the Supreme Court building, they

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<v Speaker 1>knew he would soon be coming out to deliver some news.

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<v Speaker 1>The crowd of reporters covering the recount had been growing

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<v Speaker 1>so much that with each announcement, Waters was forced to

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<v Speaker 1>move his podium up the steps to make room for

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<v Speaker 1>more spectators. By December eighth, he was perched near the top.

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<v Speaker 7>We could see the state troopers and the court security

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<v Speaker 7>officers in playing clothes. We understand that the court spokesman,

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<v Speaker 7>Craig Waters will be out very very shortly.

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<v Speaker 1>Tensions have been rising throughout Tallahassee for nearly a month

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<v Speaker 1>by this point, and Waters knew that he was about

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<v Speaker 1>to reveal the most paradise i'm shifting news development the

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<v Speaker 1>court had delivered to date.

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<v Speaker 20>It was a frightening thing in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 20>When they had offered me the bulletproof vest, I think

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<v Speaker 20>that scared me more than anything else. Did this idea

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<v Speaker 20>I have to wear a bulletproof vest. My god, what's

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<v Speaker 20>going on here? That's not the Tallahassee I know. Hello,

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<v Speaker 20>I'm Craig Waters.

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<v Speaker 6>Spokesman for the Florida Supreme Court. The Court today has

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<v Speaker 6>issued its opinion in the case of Albert Gored Junior

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<v Speaker 6>versus Catherine Harris, George W.

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<v Speaker 22>Bush, and others.

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<v Speaker 6>Paper copies of that opinion.

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<v Speaker 20>I got out onto the to the podium and I

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<v Speaker 20>began reading. I had these lights shining in my face,

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<v Speaker 20>so I couldn't see the crowds very well because I

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<v Speaker 20>was blinded. But there was a large piece of metallic

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<v Speaker 20>equipment nearby that fell over. And the thought that went

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<v Speaker 20>through my head at that particular point in time, is

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<v Speaker 20>my God, there's the bullet.

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<v Speaker 6>By a vote of four to three, the majority of

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<v Speaker 6>the Court has reversed the decision of the Trial Court

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<v Speaker 6>in part. It has further ordered that the Circuit Court

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<v Speaker 6>to the Second Judicial Circuit here in Tallahassee so immediately

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<v Speaker 6>began a manual recount of the approximant of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Approximate Chief Justice Wells had been outvoted. After all the

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<v Speaker 1>confusion and delays in Palm Beach and Miami Dade, every

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<v Speaker 1>county in the state that hadn't already done so was

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<v Speaker 1>now going to recount their undervotes by hand.

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<v Speaker 17>This was an even more to stunning decision than the

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<v Speaker 17>Florida Supreme Court's first in favor of al Gore, and

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<v Speaker 17>it sets into motion a potentially chaotic series of events.

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<v Speaker 19>If you do not like political chaos, it's about time

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<v Speaker 19>to head for the storm seller, because up until about

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<v Speaker 19>a few moments ago, I think most people were expecting

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<v Speaker 19>the Florida Supreme Court to kind of go along with

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<v Speaker 19>Judge Sauls and bring this to an end, and people

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<v Speaker 19>were draft in al Gore's concession speech.

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<v Speaker 3>Those couple of hours today were just positively explosive. There's

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<v Speaker 3>been an enormous shift in the political ground.

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<v Speaker 1>For the Gore team. It was like getting an extra life.

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<v Speaker 1>Here again is Jeremy Bash.

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<v Speaker 15>We were overjoyed, and we had popped the court work

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<v Speaker 15>on some wine and cracked open some beers and we

0:44:14.311 --> 0:44:17.151
<v Speaker 15>had a little celebration there in the law offices that

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<v Speaker 15>we were working out of. This was far beyond what

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<v Speaker 15>we had requested, and it was a massive opportunity for

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<v Speaker 15>us to take a lead in the tallies, which we

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<v Speaker 15>thought would be critical to regaining some of the political

0:44:31.230 --> 0:44:33.271
<v Speaker 15>momentum that we had clearly lost.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem once again was time. The Electoral College deadline

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<v Speaker 1>was now just a few days away, and if it

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<v Speaker 1>started to look like Florida wouldn't be done counting votes

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<v Speaker 1>by then, the Republicans in the state legislature were ready

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<v Speaker 1>and willing to use their power to bring the election

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<v Speaker 1>to an end. As it turned out, they weren't the

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<v Speaker 1>only ones. On the next and final episode of Fiasco,

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<v Speaker 1>the Florida recount heads to the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 10>Justice O'Connor s this is a mess.

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<v Speaker 14>We got to stop it now because if we don't

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<v Speaker 14>stop it now, it's going to go on and on,

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<v Speaker 14>and it's going to get worse, and Bush is gonna

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<v Speaker 14>win in the end. Anyways.

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