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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri

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Speaker 1: back with Richard Lawrence. He's been a leading speaker and

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Speaker 1: broadcaster in Britain and other parts of the world on

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Speaker 1: UFOs for at least forty plus years. He's known in

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Speaker 1: the United Kingdom as the UFO Guru and has been

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Speaker 1: at the forefront of campaigns for governments to release the

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Speaker 1: truth and is the international bestselling author of UFOs in

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Speaker 1: the Extraterrestrial Message. Richard is the executive Secretary of the

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Speaker 1: Etherea Society for Europe and Africa, which is the oldest

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Speaker 1: UFO contacts organization in Britain possibly the world. Richard, welcome back,

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Speaker 1: my friend. How are you, George? Very nice to speak

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Speaker 1: to you. How are you. I'm doing fine, everything's great.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm amazed at all this UFO information that

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Speaker 1: is coming out these days. How about you. Well, you

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Speaker 1: have been pioneering this and I must say I have

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Speaker 1: two for decades, and you know, we went through ridicule,

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Speaker 1: we went through all the union, you know, and now

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Speaker 1: I don't think well people who I mean, it's actually

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Speaker 1: I don't want people who don't believe in UPOS to

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Speaker 1: be treated. Why we were lamely ridiculed and spurned. But

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Speaker 1: it's going the other way. I think it is. Pilots

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Speaker 1: are still frustrated. I think in this country, the military pilots,

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Speaker 1: of course, I don't think they think they're getting recognized

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Speaker 1: the way they should by government. What do you hear

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Speaker 1: about that? Well, I'm sure they aren't, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: although it's far better than it's ever been, it's not

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Speaker 1: nearly good enough. But I will say this, America is

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Speaker 1: streets ahead of Britain. You know, Britain is pathetic at

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Speaker 1: the moment on this issue. Some other you know, it's

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Speaker 1: I think has been onto it for some while Britain

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Speaker 1: make pathetic remarks in our parliament just so still sitting

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Speaker 1: on the fen. They're not against it anymore. They don't

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Speaker 1: say it's not true. They just say, well, we don't

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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I mean obviously pilot's military personnel, although

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Speaker 1: they've got more the listen than they've ever had before,

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Speaker 1: and it's being looked at, let's not run away with

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Speaker 1: the idea is all sorted, or that they're being respected

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Speaker 1: as they should be, or that we're being told the

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Speaker 1: whole truth. Yet here in the United States, several months

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Speaker 1: ago we had a Congressional quick hearing. Now NASA wants

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Speaker 1: to get involved, Richard and investigate this. So things are

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Speaker 1: happening here in the United States, Yes, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: here we have Nick Pope, I mean Nick Pope. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he's been on George. I mean I spoke to

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Speaker 1: because I was in touch with the u Phoe Department

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Speaker 1: there before he went in there, and I said, do

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Speaker 1: you believe in US? I don't know. I said, well

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Speaker 1: you will, and look at him now, it's his whole

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Speaker 1: career exactly. But even people like he and Lewis, they

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Speaker 1: that we should be preparing for a possible invasion and

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Speaker 1: this type of And this is where I think the

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Speaker 1: Etherist society. I'm not saying only us, but I think

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Speaker 1: or some of them are definitely extraterrestrial, but they are

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Speaker 1: also in our view friendly. If they weren't, we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: even be talking about it, George. It would all have

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Speaker 1: been over a very long time ago. I agree with you, Richard.

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Speaker 1: If they were very, very benevolent and manevolent, they would

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Speaker 1: were be Marco Rubio or other senators while doing a

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Speaker 1: which is fantastic our sort of warning of this and

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Speaker 1: trying to build up military defense against them and other

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Speaker 1: So this is an example of one of the great

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Speaker 1: for more than forty years, Richard, what got you first

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Speaker 1: Well again, that's one thing that marked doctor King out

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