1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, 4 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: name is Nolan. They call me Ben. We are joined 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: with our super producer Paul Decant. Most importantly, you are here. 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: You are you that makes this stuff they don't want 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: you to know, regardless of where or when you are 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: tuning in. Oh boy, this one is a doozy. It's 10 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: very strange topic. It's something that we have received multiple 11 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: request about over the years, YouTube comments, three am tweets 12 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: and uh and so on. If it's a concept tool topic, 13 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: it's one of those that we do those every once 14 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: in a while where you really have to open your 15 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: mind and to go on a journey through several different 16 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: hoops before you can really get to the concept. And 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: that's what we're going to do today. We're going on 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: a journey. Oh this is a full on journey, and 19 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: sign up for a journey. We're just gonna sit here 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: at the table. We're already moving just in directions we 21 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: cannot perceive. That would be the argument here most of 22 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: us have heard strange stories about extraterrestrials, Aliens Ufo Roswell Crash, 23 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: Eric von Danikin's sort of stuff about ancient aliens building civilization, 24 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: and the idea is usually they came from somewhere beyond 25 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: the Solar system, which will also hear stuff like the 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: ancient Lunar inhabitants or an old civilization on Mars, a 27 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: physical place that they are traveling from on some type 28 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: of ship or in some manner like them, and whether 29 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: or not you leave in the stories of extraterrestrial contact, 30 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: there's no denying that it's been a conversation or an 31 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: angry debate that humanity has been having for a long 32 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: long time, with varying iterations, which will see in folklore 33 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: today as well over the centuries. Loads of researchers, scads 34 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: of academics what's another name for a group of people, um, 35 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: multitudes of mystics right, and of scholars. Yes, yes, they've 36 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: all argued, with varying degrees of credibility for or against 37 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: these possibilities and the claims for the existence of intelligent, 38 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: non Earth based life. These claims typically take several forms. Uh. First, 39 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: there's the basic idea that these things do exist and 40 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: have contacted humanity or Earth, either in the ancient past, 41 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: whether that's in the early days of human or pre 42 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: human civilization, or even before humans entirely, you know, like 43 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: the elder things in all the HP Lovecraft stories and 44 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: the seating of humanity. Yeah. And the other side of 45 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: this would be that this contact occurred in the recent 46 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: past or currently through accident like the popular legend of 47 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: the Roswald Crash, or through design where these aliens said, hey, 48 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: we like what you all have going on. For one 49 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: reason or another, we're just gonna we're just gonna drop 50 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: on in, get in where we fit in, or perhaps 51 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: even influence us in one way or or another as 52 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: a human civilization. Yeah, here's how to farm morons, right, 53 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: Here's here's how to take the thoughts that occur in 54 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: your head and put them on the physical plane so 55 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: that people can hear from you when you're dead. I 56 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: would just hope that they would see from afar that, 57 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, we have a tendency to kind of be 58 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: jerks and kill everything. Maybe it's be a good idea 59 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: to stay away, and maybe it's something they want to 60 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: nip in the bud Well, that's cool too. That's we'll 61 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: take all the help we can get. Or maybe it's 62 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: something that all intelligent life goes through almost a stage 63 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: of development, sure, like a sort of universal adolescents, like 64 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 1: I don't know, the terrible Two's right, yeah, two millions 65 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: time is a flat circle, my friends, Oh boy, we're 66 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: falling into and around it. The second idea that about 67 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: alien life would be as as Matt mentioned earlier, that 68 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: extraterrestrials have either seeded life on Earth or somehow modified 69 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: existing animal life as we recognize it today. Personally, my 70 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: favorite example of this, and I think the most plausible 71 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: one is this theory we've talked about, which is a 72 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: fascinating idea which just a terrible name. Pans Spermia. Yeah, 73 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: pans spermia, And so you can pause and do some 74 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: puns if you need to, folks, and we'll come back 75 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: in pan Spermia is the idea that life here, all 76 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: life here on our planet, was seated not by an 77 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: intelligent extraterrestrial life, but by microbes that were super hardy 78 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: and able to tolerate the hazards of space, and they 79 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: were attached to a common or other heavenly object that 80 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: just crashed here. I could see that as being the 81 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: genesis for all human life. I mean, I'm picturing, you know, 82 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: the beginnings of this crazy thing we call humanity is 83 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: being like a little tiny particles and microbes. I could 84 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: totally see them in water bears. Oh yeah, yeah, it's 85 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: so cute. It's degrades and indestructible, right, pretty much like 86 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: they can, like you know, who survive for long periods 87 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: of time with with no oxygen in space radiation? Bring 88 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: it on the Yeah, they're the energizer buddy of you 89 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: know what. I'm going to give up on this one, 90 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: the cosmos. There we go, Thank you all, because just 91 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: to peek behind the curtain here, uh tried to make 92 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: that reference and I had to stop and off air. 93 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: Ask you guys, which battery it was? Sure? It wasn't 94 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: dur Cell bunny. Did dur Cell even have a cute 95 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: little spokes thing? It's just the copper top. Really, it's 96 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: a little dull. Then they would have updated that by 97 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: now ever, already had a creature, didn't they, I want 98 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: to say, a dinosaur. I feel like all products should 99 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: have some uh some animal mascot that's disturbing and its implications. 100 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: Like there's a grocery store chain here in the southeastern 101 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: part of the United States called Piggly Wiggly. You may 102 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: not be familiar with this if you have not spent 103 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: time in this neck of the Global woods, but the 104 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: Piggly Wiggly mascot is a pig that's really into killing pigs. 105 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: And in one of its original iterations, it was cutting 106 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:53,559 Speaker 1: itself too. Yes, and that's just normal. That has nothing 107 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: to do with today's show. That's just how people perceive 108 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: and portray things. That's just how it is here in 109 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: the South. Another way that it could just be is 110 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: that somehow, for some reason, aliens were they were the 111 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: ones who actually planted the seed and altered the DNA 112 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: of existing life on Earth to create intelligent life somehow, 113 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: some way. Okay, so the idea there is maybe life 114 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: was already present in some form with an extraterrestrial arrived 115 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: and then they said, hey, let's go back through the 116 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: genetic code and punch things up a little bit. Yeah, 117 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: Or there was some type of interbreeding that occurred between 118 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: species that existed and whatever alien species. This was that 119 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: one as high you know, as a highly just as 120 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: difficult to grasp as all of these are, and as 121 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: implausible as some of them might be, that one, to 122 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: me is just not even a thing. You don't think so, 123 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: because people who were proponents of this would are you 124 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: that all the stories of ancient travelers from Afar, like 125 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: the Nephelum, for instance, breeding with the human population. They 126 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: would argue that that is a coded translation of some 127 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: true events. Yeah, I think it's just what we know 128 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: about how difficult it is for any type of cross 129 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: breeding just from terrestrial species. Um it seems as though 130 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: maybe they had perfected the science of it, but I 131 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: I highly doubt that. And then one of the big 132 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: assumptions would be that there is some there would be 133 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: some kind of commonality or closeness such that you could 134 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 1: exchange or modify genes. We know technically that it's possible 135 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: to make a so called human z there's not heart 136 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: proof that anyone did it for a variety of understandable reasons, 137 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: but events but again fairly closely related species. And then 138 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: there's the third category of theories about our opinions about 139 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: extraterrestrial contact with Earth, right, And that's the idea that 140 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: intelligent life has to exist somewhere um, whether it's at 141 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: the same time as intelligent life exists here on Earth 142 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: or somewhere in the past. And if by some strange coincidence, 143 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: some chance, we are the first intelligent life, other examples 144 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: are going to pop up somewhere sometime after we blip out. Yeah, 145 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: somewhere after our world ends, not with a bang, but 146 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: with a whimper, there will be Yeah, there will be 147 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: another civilization or another form of intelligent life that also 148 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: grows up as a latchkey kid in the universe. And 149 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: wonders are we alone? And why not? Man? It makes 150 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: like I guess we're talking about earlier with the water 151 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: bears and the you know, just the weird primordial google 152 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: that we get us. Why is what makes us so 153 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: special that it only happened for us? I don't know, 154 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: Like I really I'm asking. It's a great question. Yeah, 155 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: that's a great question, like this this idea really get 156 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: to work on answering that. But while we're in the 157 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: process of getting ourselves together, we do know that this 158 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: concept that extraterrestrial life definitely, did, does, or will exist 159 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: is based on pretty solid understanding of the universe, which, 160 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: although it is negligible is terrifying and nihilistic in uh 161 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: in its persuasiveness. Well, yeah, because you're looking at just 162 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: the sheer size of the universe itself, how many billions 163 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: of galaxies there are, and all of the stars and 164 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: those galaxies and all the planets that go around those stars. 165 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: And then you also imagine how long it took for 166 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: intelligent life to arise on the Earth. If if you're thinking, okay, 167 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: the Earth is over four and a half billion years old, 168 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: it took x amount of time for humans to arrive 169 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: in some form or another, at least neandertals, and a 170 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: little before that the documented forms of intelligence that we have. 171 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: It takes a long time for life to spring on 172 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: a planet and then to become intelligent. And also, we 173 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: have no points, at least our understanding. We have no 174 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: point at which time solidly stops. We have some ideas 175 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: about when things might get kind of screwy and and 176 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: we might find a shamalan esque twist in time, But 177 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: for now, we understand that the universe is huge, there's 178 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: a vast span of time available for intelligent life to arise. 179 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: We're in something pretty similar to an infinite monkey's infinite 180 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: typewriter situation, which leads us, of course, to the Fermi paradox, 181 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: the terrifying question, Well, if it is almost statistically certain 182 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: that some other intelligent life form exists, why haven't we 183 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: heard anything, you know? And then that's when you get 184 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: into the distances problem, and then you get into the 185 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: physics problems about being able to travel such distances to 186 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: actually meet the other intelligent species. Yeah, the same rough 187 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: math assuring us that extraterrestrial sentient life has, does, or 188 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: will exist, also almost certainly guarantees we will never ever, 189 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: ever ever meet them. Like two candles burning on opposite 190 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: shores of the Pacific rim, we will never detect the 191 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: light of another civilization. Full stop. Wow, that's a downer, 192 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: but never fear. Today's episode proposes an alternative, and it's 193 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: one you might not have heard before, folks. I know 194 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: I'd never heard it before. Well you will hear it 195 00:12:53,200 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: after this quick break. Here are the facts we have 196 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: to We have to look, maybe not in space, but 197 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: in other dimensions. And what's a dimension? A basis what 198 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: we mean when we say dimensions are we're describing the 199 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: different facets of what we perceive to be reality and 200 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: all of us are familiar with at least three of 201 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: the main ones, right, the main ones to us. And then, 202 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: of course, you know, we'll we'll add a fourth one 203 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: on the way. But let's walk through it before it 204 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: gets super just super weird. Okay, we'll start at one. 205 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: Let's call the first dimension length picture a line. It's 206 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: just an X axis and that's it, got it. The 207 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: second dimension is the other axis, the y. Let's call 208 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: it width, and our one dimensional line in a two 209 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: D perspective, Um, it suddenly has a discernible like a 210 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: wideness to it. If you've got these two lines, you 211 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: can make a box like a height. Right. Yeah, and 212 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: now at this point we can imagine a two dimensional 213 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: object like a square, rectangle of circle. The third dimension 214 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: is null. Yes, I am that third dimension, the notorious 215 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: z access the wild card, which we will call depth 216 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: for our purposes here. Uh, Now, our line is raised 217 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: from the ground or it's descending into the ground. It 218 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: can curve both toward and away from our perception. Now 219 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: we can imagine objects like spheres or cubes exactly. So 220 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: we've got three dimensions. Now, this is how we interact 221 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: with the world. If you look at a table. Oh, 222 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: look at that. It's got length, width, and depth. I'm 223 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm doing it. I'm doing it right. I've got three dimensions. 224 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: We're okay, we're getting enough to seem but why stop there? Right, 225 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: Let's go to the fourth dimension. Time. This governs the 226 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: property of all known matter at any given point. And 227 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: so now we can imagine how long this cube or 228 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: sphere has existed in a certain spot, and we can 229 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: understand the difference between when it was in one position 230 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: and when it moves to another place. And we need 231 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: all four of these dimensions captain planeting up together for 232 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: us to plot the position of an object in space. Yes, 233 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: a physical three dimensional object that exists at a time. Yeah, 234 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: makes sense. Right, I got that? All right, I'm so 235 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: with you. Come on board. But it doesn't stop there. 236 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm not ready. I don't know if anyone is. Man. 237 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: We were promised a journey. Well, it's a journey that 238 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: goes deep, deep into the deepest, darkest places that exist. 239 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: Describe them to be mad. Well, okay, let's let's start. 240 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: Let's start here. You've got the three dimensional objects right. 241 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: In this case, let's say the three dimensional object is 242 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: actually a place like a kind of a place and 243 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: thing like the shipping container that we're inside of right now. 244 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: We're yes, like the shipping and container. But let's imagine 245 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: we're at a small pond okay now, and we're just 246 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: gonna zoom deep into this pond. Right So, first, as 247 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: you're going in, you see the pond itself, You see 248 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: the water, You see the bottom of where the pond is, 249 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: where the water is sitting on top of it, and 250 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: we just go deep in there, and then you're gonna 251 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: see if you get deep enough, you're gonna see that 252 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: inside that water that looks clear to you is actually 253 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: full of these microorganisms. And then you keep going into 254 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: the microorganism, then you see it's made up of all 255 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: these proteins, complex proteins. And then you keep going down 256 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: into one of those proteins and you see that it's 257 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: actually made out of atoms. And then you see those 258 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: atoms are made out of elementary particles like corks and 259 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: leptons and bosons. And this area that we get into 260 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: is what this entire subject is about. Once you get 261 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: that deep down into what in an object in existence is. 262 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: If you want a simulation of what Matt just described, 263 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: there's a pretty amazing aim called everything. Yes, if you 264 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: play this, it's literally you can do what you just described. 265 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: You can zoom from one layer to another like meta 266 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: as well, just like you know you're you can be 267 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: in a pond. You can go from to the micro 268 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: level to the macro level, and you can birth new 269 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: universes and join them together and make them dance with 270 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: each other. It's pretty fantastic. But do you end up 271 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: really understanding it after you play it? I feel like 272 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: you get a sense of scale time, sense of scale. 273 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: It's very zen. It's a very like nothing really happens, 274 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: or yet everything kind of happened. I don't know, it's 275 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: it's it's a cool game. Though it's meditative. I would say, 276 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: that's what I really That's why I really dig about it. 277 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: And man, now I have to go play it again. 278 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: It's such an excellent recommendation. So right, according to particle physicists, 279 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: the world as we understand it is defined in terms 280 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: of these elementary particles match just described. You will also 281 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: hear them called fundamental particles. These, according to that idea, 282 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: are the smallest things in the universe, or at the 283 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: very least they're the smallest things we can actually see 284 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: because we're using some form of energy to communicate their 285 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: presence and their properties to us. Right, And this is 286 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: our technology only allows us to go to this hard limit. 287 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: But what if it doesn't stop there. This is where 288 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: we want to introduce you to one of the world's 289 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: most widely misunderstood theories, the thing that has put checks 290 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: in the mailbox of sci fi screenwriters across the planet, 291 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: and that is the superstring theory. You'll hear this mention 292 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: in many stories describing a parallel universe. Right. For instance, 293 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: a show like Fringe would would have something like that. Right, friends, Yeah, friends, 294 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: just think about it, think about it, really, think about it. 295 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: What's what's going on with Ross dinosaur expert? Are you 296 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: kidding me? Not likely? I think there was one episode 297 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 1: where they just described instead of like a paleontologist, they 298 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 1: said dinosaur expert. I've only seen two episodes of Friends. 299 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: Someone should do a parody of Friends where it's like 300 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: a mash up of friends and friends and there's like 301 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: alternate realities of friends where they're all kind of like, 302 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, the different, great different. One of jay Z's 303 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: new songs, isn't It based the video that was made 304 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: for it is based on in all African American cast 305 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: of Friends, and like what that wouldn't what that would imply? 306 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: And then what the main actor is going through from 307 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: a societal level, from a personal level, like, what does 308 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: it mean that I'm doing this? That sounds heavy? It's incredible? 309 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: No one on Friends really suffers. Yes, and Paul, our 310 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: producers just informed me that the song is called Moonlight. 311 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: Paul the ghost in the Machine decade and who knows. 312 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: As we'll see in this argument, it might be quite 313 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: possible that the situation portrayed in the song Moonlight exists, 314 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: just not in a way that we can current see it. 315 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: So what if? String theorists propose? What if, like the 316 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: folks in Inception, we need to go deeper and smaller 317 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: than current technology allows. Originally, the idea was this that 318 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: each of these fundamental particles we see leptons, Boston, and 319 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: so on, actually contains a tiny, one dimensional loop of 320 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: vibrating string or just an open string. It's something that's 321 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: just wiggling, and the vibration determines the charge and mass 322 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: of this greater particle. As the theory evolved, scientists introduced 323 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: the idea of something called brains, B, R, A, and 324 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: E S short for membranes higher dimensional objects that will 325 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: talk about in a second. And here's here's the point, 326 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: the crux of string theory for our purposes today. The 327 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: proponents of string theory believe that there are more than 328 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: four dimensions, and additional dimensions are curled up in these tiny, 329 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: complicated shapes that can only be seen at an infinitesimal scale. 330 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: And if we could possibly shrink to this tiny plank 331 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: sized scale, the smallest scale current technology allows for measuring stuff, 332 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: we could see that at every three D point in 333 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: space or four D you can say we could explore 334 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: another six dimensions. And that's right. Depending on the variety 335 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: or model of string theory we're talking here, there can 336 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: be way more than three or four dimensions. We're talking 337 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: anywhere from ten in superstring theory. Yeah. And if you 338 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: want to take a look to kind of get your 339 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: mind wrapped around this a little better, if there's it 340 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: was it wolf from Alpha I guess it's become something 341 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: else now, um members dot wolf from dot com you 342 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: can find let's see, it's a Jeff Bryant visualization of 343 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: calloby yao shape. What this would look like to us. Yeah, exactly. Um, 344 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: you can just search for or C A L A B, I, 345 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: dash y a U shape and you should be able 346 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: to find it. It's fascinating and my mind is kind 347 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: of wrapping around it, but not quite so, Matt, how 348 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: would you describe that shape that you're looking at? Well, 349 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: it has these shapes rotating so that you can get 350 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: a sense of what you're looking at. But it's almost 351 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: like interconnecting. Um, like an interconnected freely object that looks 352 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: as though it's a bunch of different circles that are 353 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: then kind of placed at strange angles together and then 354 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: moving together but at different axis. So it's dynamic. It's 355 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: completely dynamic, and it is strange. And again it doesn't 356 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: quite compute because I'm so not used to imagine anything 357 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: outside of those four dimensions that we've described, and possibly 358 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: we're incapable at this point. Right. There are other theories 359 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: like m theory attempts to unite a couple of different 360 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: models and it posits that there are eleven dimensions. And 361 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: there's basonic string theory that says, you know what, let's 362 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: double down, let's get real over the top and supersize 363 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: it and say that there are twenty six total dimensions. 364 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: And one of the reasons that there are so many 365 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: dimensions and a lot of these theories is that the 366 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: models don't match up with current models, and in order 367 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,479 Speaker 1: to try and get them to match up better with 368 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: with the current status quo of science, they're they're like, oh, 369 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: well it would work if there were this many dimensions, 370 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: right right, yeah, exactly, And that's that's a concise explanation. 371 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: So modeling spacetime with extra dimensions makes it more mathematically 372 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: conceivable and makes it consistent. But you know what, what, 373 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: we don't have to stop there. Let's look into it 374 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: a little further. What do the dimensions begin to look 375 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: like past number four, past time, what other measuring sticks, 376 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: what do we encounter? Well, according to superstring theory, the 377 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: fifth and sixth dimensions, or where we begin to see 378 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: those alternate possible worlds we always hear about in science fiction, 379 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, yeah, this is the fringe stuff, right right, 380 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: So what what would this look like? Well, in the 381 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: fifth dimension, we'd see a world only slightly different from 382 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: our own. Um that would give us kind of a 383 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: way of measuring the similarity and differences objectively, because they'd 384 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: be subtle, right, Okay, Yeah, yeah, we have sort of 385 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: a yard stick by which to compare other things. And 386 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't immediately break your brain too. Yeah, we 387 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: wouldn't immediately have your hair go gray and one of 388 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: your eyes explode. It would be kind of a Marty McFly, 389 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, situation, rather than yes, like a due to 390 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: the end of pet cemetery situation. I like that. I 391 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: find that comforting. That's a place that I would want 392 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: to visit, provided the it was still similar enough for 393 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: us to live in terms of like breathable air and 394 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, we all get nourishment from the same basic stuff. Yeah, 395 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: then you get to the sixth sixth dimension. Is that 396 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy? I feel like it is. This 397 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: is where it's almost the god perspective, where you can 398 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: see all of the possible different planes almost laid out 399 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: in front of you of how this earth, this area 400 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: that we're in, wherever whatever positionally we are in in 401 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: the universe, all of the different options after the Big 402 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: Bang conceivably so the same starting point. Yeah, you you 403 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: start at the same point. This is where you are 404 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: now since that starting point in all the different iterations 405 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: and there are an infinite number of them. So if 406 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: you imagine looking at your iPhone and being able to 407 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: see them and just scrolling, just scrolling forever basically at 408 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: all the different things. And what's fascinating about that is 409 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: if that is somehow true, then this means it would 410 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: theoretically be possible to travel back in time or go 411 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: to different futures, right, go to more than one future possibility. 412 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: And then in the seventh dimension you have access to 413 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: the possible worlds that start with different initial conditions. So 414 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: a universe that doesn't start with something exactly like the 415 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: Big Bang, right, which is mind boggling. What would that 416 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: be like in the in the fifth and sixth dimensions? Again, 417 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: as as Nolan Matt pointed out, the starting point was 418 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: the same, and later down the line down the dimension 419 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: of time, things occurred in different sequences. But here everything 420 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: since the very very very very very beginning has been 421 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: different and just probably gets probably continues to become more different. 422 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm trying to imagine it again. If I'm looking at 423 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: my iPhone. Um, so if we're in the sixth dimension 424 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: and we're just scrolling through everything that maybe is in 425 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: this folder or something, I feel like the seventh dimension 426 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: is pulling out a folder or to see the next 427 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: subroute folders, where each one of those you could look 428 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: into and see the sixth dimension. Does that make sense? Yeah, 429 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: that's not bad. That's not bad comparison, So what happens 430 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: in the eighth dimension. If you'll, if you'll notice, if 431 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: you'll notice, listeners, the anti keeps upping with each new 432 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: dimension on the eighth dimension. Um, we again get that 433 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: god mode view of possible universe histories, Um, each of 434 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: which begins with different initial conditions and branches out into infinity. Yeah, 435 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: so we're our minds are are shattered at this point, 436 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: they're floating around and then in the ether. So these 437 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: are these are increasing, The possibilities are increasing by an 438 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: enormous step with each movement up or down the dimensional plane. 439 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's enough for me, But here's dimension number 440 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: nine for everyone who just wants to keep going in 441 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: the ninth dimension. Again, if this was true, we could 442 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: theoretically compare all possible universe histories starting with all the 443 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: different possible laws of physics. So a reality that just 444 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: does not work like ours, which is a real tall order, 445 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: especially when we consider that we don't fully understand the 446 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: physics of our own universe. Yeah, and you know, not 447 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: to get into our meat bodies observing this somehow. You're right, 448 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: that's gonna be one heck of an iPhone. Yeah. Yeah, 449 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: you probably have to get it on iPad at the 450 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: very least. Yeah, or the I think, which was longtime 451 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: listeners will recognize an illumination global unlimited product to them. 452 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: They're still around, don't worry about it. Yeah, we haven't 453 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: heard the last of them. That's all we can say. 454 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: In the tenth and final dimension, now we're at the 455 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: point where everything that is possible, everything is imaginable, is 456 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: we've taken care of. It's covered. And now, according to physicists, 457 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: beyond that point, or according to physicists who ascribe to 458 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: this number of dimensions, beyond that point, nothing can really 459 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: be imagined by us, and it becomes a natural limitation 460 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: to our ability to imagine things. But as we established earlier, 461 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: some models of this sort of theory argue that even 462 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: more dimensions exist. So if that is true, if we 463 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: were only conceiving or perceiving four of si dimensions, why 464 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: can't we see the other two? Well? One theoretical explanation 465 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: is called compactification. It's the idea that the other dimensions 466 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: are in some way folded down into this complex structure 467 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: that somehow prevents us from seeing them, kind of like 468 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: looking at a piece of paper directly from the side. 469 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: If does this makes sense, it's so thin it is 470 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: very difficult to discern a piece of paper directly from 471 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: the side. You would see that thin line, even though 472 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: the paper has all kinds of unperceived surface area that 473 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: you just can't make out because of your position in 474 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: space time. In that case, it makes it sound almost 475 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: like an optical illusion. Oh in some ways, or in 476 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: a maybe just an inability to observe We just lacked 477 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: the hardware, I guess. Yeah. And then there's the other idea. 478 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: The brain that we mentioned earlier short for membrane. This 479 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: would be a higher order dimensional object that can have 480 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: any number of dimensions take your pick. This in string 481 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: theory is considered a fundamental object, the same way that 482 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: a lepton would be considered a fundamental object and particle physics, 483 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: and some physicists explain our inability to perceive these dimensions 484 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: by saying that maybe the problem isn't just us. Maybe 485 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: what's happened is that our universe is itself a three 486 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: dimensional brain and we are stuck within a larger dimensional space. 487 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: And this is an idea you had brought up before, Matt, 488 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: the I guess simulation hologrammatic universe. Yeah, that the proof 489 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: if if this was some sort of simulation, everything that 490 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: we perceive, everything that we've ever touched or observed, is 491 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: actually just a computer of some sort working in whatever this. Uh. 492 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: If it strings, even these strings, are just the bits 493 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: or the particles or the pixels, um, maybe that would 494 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: that would make a lot of sense if that were true. 495 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: Maybe at this point there's no solid proof of this theory. 496 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: The debate rages on. But here's the thing. A lot 497 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: of the math actually works out. By adding these extra 498 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: dimensions to calculations. UH, scientists are able to get closer 499 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: to functional a functional quantitative understanding or theoretical understanding. UH. 500 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: Scientists have yet to nail down the famous, should I say, 501 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: fabled unified theory of everything. Our compatriot Josh Clark from 502 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know as working on a project that 503 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: has him talking to a lot of particle physicists, and 504 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: his takeaway has largely been it's kind of a throw 505 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: stuff at the wall and see what sticks kind of situation, 506 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: like with economists even but yet you it's the stakes 507 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: are so high. It's really interesting because at some point 508 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: it has to become theoretical because by observing anything with 509 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: whatever waves or lasers, whatever type of wave, we shoot 510 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: at something to observe it at that tiny level, we 511 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: are affecting it because though it's being pummeled by a wave, 512 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: and you're no longer just looking at something, you are 513 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: physically touching it with something. And how can you know 514 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: what's down there if you can't make a wave small 515 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: enough to touch it. So you have to come up 516 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: with ideas. You literally are theorizing. So I mean, you're right, 517 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: it's throwing stuff against the wall. But it's definitely the 518 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: best minds out there. Simplification. I guess it just means 519 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: to Ben's point, no one's really figured it out and equivocally, 520 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: and to your point, it's doubtful that they ever will. 521 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what do you guys think. I don't 522 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: see how you can figure it out at this point. 523 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: And it's one of the things that I've heard before 524 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: I always found interesting was the idea that at a 525 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: certain point, when you get close enough to the bleeding 526 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: edge of thought on questions like this, it comes very 527 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: close to an article of faith. The smartest people amongst 528 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: us are using all of the knowledge accessible over thousands 529 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: of years of civilization and going, oh gosh, I don't know, guys, 530 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: maybe this maybe I just like add another dimension. I 531 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: don't know. It's four thirty, it's Friday. I'm not at 532 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: all denigrating the work these people do. Looks like you say, 533 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: it's it's theoretical, But it's theoretical based on evidence. Yes, 534 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's not just a pure leap of faith. 535 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: But it's interesting how, you know, we see science as 536 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: the opposite of religion in many senses, and yet that 537 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: kind of big thinking does play into the stuff that 538 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about. When I say big, I just mean 539 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: odd the universe. You know, what does it all mean? 540 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: Kind of stuff? I don't know. Yeah. Uh, the the 541 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: idea that there could be something larger that we could 542 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 1: or smaller or just different that we could understand despite 543 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: our cognitive and physical limitations, dimensional limitations. I don't know. Well, 544 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: here's the point. What if it's true? What if there 545 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: are in fact dimensions of this nature. If that is true, 546 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: Frene researchers argue, then our first encounters with non earthbound 547 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: sentient life may not be from beyond the stars, but 548 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: beyond the dimensions comprising our perception of reality. Who yeah, 549 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: because imagine if you can observe some of those higher 550 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: level dimensions. Imagine if you can observe them and see 551 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,439 Speaker 1: through your iPhone or whatever device it is, you can 552 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: see them all and perhaps even be in a different 553 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: place than where you currently are. Yeah, that's like imagining 554 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: being dead. Yeah, my brain does not compute that. You know, 555 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: you're ever trying that experiment where you're like, what would 556 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: it be like to not exist? You can't do it. Well, 557 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: we've found some people who believe they know the truth 558 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: about this, and we're going to discuss them right after 559 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: a quick break. Here's where it gets crazy. What if 560 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: instead of looking to outer space for intelligent life, we 561 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: focused on exploring these other dimensions ultra terrestrials instead of extraterrestrials. Yeah, 562 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: say it again, ultra terrestrials, ultra terrestrials. It's true. It's 563 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: an idea that was proposed by a writer named John 564 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: Keel in the nineteen seventies, who was one of the 565 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: most widely read and influential ufologists of his time, and 566 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: he coined the term ultra terrestrial. Originally, he thought that 567 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: what he saw as evidence of UFOs was a symptom 568 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 1: of extraterrestrial visitation. Physical aliens are somehow traveling to Earth 569 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: for some reason. Yeah, that's a ship that I'm observing 570 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: that it has physical, three dimensional space, And in time 571 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: he became increasingly distant from that view. He wrote a 572 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: book called UFOs Operation Trojan Horse in nineteen seventy and 573 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: he pointed out something that is fascinating, I would argue true, 574 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: and he said that these descriptions of encounters with what 575 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: people perceived to be aliens or extraterrestrials, they often parallel 576 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: certain stories or legends in folklore or religious encounters from 577 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: very spiritual beliefs. And that's that's true. You can see 578 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: the correlation. You know, stories of alien abduction have similarities 579 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: to old legends of being abducted by the Faye or 580 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: you know, fairies or some mother's supernatural creature. But here's 581 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: where he went with it. He went somewhere different. He 582 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,280 Speaker 1: didn't say, oh, what a fascinating folklore parallel. He said, Also, 583 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: this perceived link meant something. Yeah, that this link, somehow 584 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 1: um indicated something more than a mere physical encounter between 585 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: us humans and whatever these unknown entities were. He used 586 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: this term ultra terrestrials to describe UFO occupants, the people 587 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: actually inside the ships, or the ones that were there 588 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: that we were observing. Whatever physical form they took, he 589 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 1: believed them to be non human entities that were capable 590 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: of taking on whatever shape, whatever form, whatever thing that 591 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: they wanted to become. And it sounds, I'm just gonna say, 592 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: it sounds pretty damn crazy. Have you guys seen Annihilation yet? No? Yeah, 593 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: I read the story. I think the movie varies pretty 594 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: wildly from the book, but there there is there's a 595 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: theme in that film. For at risk of any spoilers, 596 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 1: I think you should if you're interested in this stuff, 597 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: you should watch that movie. All right, let's say, let's 598 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: do it right here. This is a spoiler alert. Skip 599 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: forward a few minutes. If you want to not hear 600 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: about this movie, tell me about it, though, well, just 601 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: really briefly. I mean, it's about a consciousness that sort 602 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,720 Speaker 1: of per like like travels to Earth on a meteor 603 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: and it's like this bacteria kind of thing like we 604 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: were talking about earlier. But it creates this zone where 605 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: d n A is transmittable like light waves, and if 606 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: you're in the zone, your DNA is affected. You're constantly 607 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: mutating and everything is mutating because it's like scrambling d 608 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: n A. It's it's a little hard to explain, but 609 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: there is. It's basically it wants to assimilate us and 610 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: also kind of become us. And there's a whole theme 611 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: where it creates clones of people, but not unlike a 612 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: body snatcher's way, and a very existential kind of like 613 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's it's it's a it's a 614 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: mind far alright, it's I really. I think Paul really 615 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,919 Speaker 1: enjoyed it too, right, Yeah, which it's cool. Okay, Well, 616 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: now I don't have to see the movie. Now, saved 617 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: me some money, thanks dude. All right, spoilers complete see 618 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: the movie. Don't listen to Matt. If there were indeed 619 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: creatures from another dimension, we're getting pretty deep with our 620 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: assumptions here, But if there were indeed creatures from some 621 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: other plane, how would the average human being or how 622 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: would technology perceive these entities? What does a creature from 623 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: the sixth dimension look like to those of us stuck 624 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: in the three to four dimensions that were so familiar 625 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,280 Speaker 1: with This gets into again, I think we referenced there earlier, 626 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: but this gets into Lovecraft stuff so quickly it's imperceivable 627 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 1: to us. It's that utterly alien and it's fascinating. So 628 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: the idea is that they didn't They don't come from 629 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: within our solar system like Mars. They don't come from 630 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: outside of our Solar system like a different galaxy or 631 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: just another one in the Milky Way. They are actually inhabitants, 632 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: were are in the far future, inhabitants of Earth somehow. 633 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,399 Speaker 1: So it's like the upside Down and Stranger Things. Yeah, 634 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: that's a great comparison. It would be alternate world, an 635 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,959 Speaker 1: alternate universe. Yeah, just to throw this in really fast, 636 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: Another fantastic film that I couldn't remember the name of 637 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: called Midnight Special, Thanks Paul, and it's directed by Jeff Nichols, 638 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: and it, spoiler alert, deals with this very thing beings 639 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: that they have always existed on Earth and still exist 640 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: on Earth, but they just exist in a different dimension. 641 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: And it can only be observed by someone who is 642 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: from that dimension. Anyway, watch the movie's really it's also 643 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: not forget about they live. You know, when you put 644 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: on a special glasses, you see the monsters from the 645 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: other demand. So we just mentioned that for sure. Yeah, 646 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: so this is definitely a thing that people have been 647 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: exploring for a long time, well after the seventies. Well 648 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: here's another here's another argument from kiel Is. He continues, 649 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: he believes that these creatures are somehow indigenous to Earth, 650 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: there have been here for some time, but inhabit a 651 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: dimension beyond time and physical matter, and that by shifting 652 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: up and down through dimensional planes, he says through he 653 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: ascribes it to electromagnetic activity. But in some unexplained way, 654 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: they can materialize dematerialize as they please, and he believes 655 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: that they can. They do have some sense of what 656 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: we would understand as morality. They could be good or evil, 657 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,479 Speaker 1: but they seem to according to kill Uh, they seem 658 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 1: to be really into manipulating and tricking humanity. And he 659 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 1: argues that throughout different cultures and times and history, we've 660 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: called them things like gods or demons or spirits, fairies, monsters, 661 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 1: and encounters with these beings he says, have spawned entire religions, 662 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: so for completely different reasons or with completely different conclusions. 663 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,800 Speaker 1: He agrees with Folklore's to see modern stories of UFO 664 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: encounters as the current instance of this long running phenomenon. 665 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: But there's, you know, the huge question, the ten dimensional 666 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: dollar question here is if if this were true, then 667 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: what what what the heck is the motivation? Why would 668 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 1: these why would these things be here? What would they 669 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: want to do? Yeah, it seems like it would take 670 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of energy and currency. Probably, Well, it 671 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: just depends, I guess on how the technology and or 672 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's not even technology, maybe it's just some 673 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 1: level of conscious us. You you have to then theorize 674 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: about how they're actually shifting dimensions, right, because if it 675 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 1: costs a lot of money, you could you would compare 676 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: it to like NASA sending a shuttle up or you know, 677 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: SpaceX sending sending a rocket up, Like how expensive that 678 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 1: is to do something big like that? And then if 679 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 1: you're going to spend the energy to shift dimensions for 680 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: some reason, perhaps it costs that much money unless it's 681 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: some kind of innate ability that each one of these 682 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 1: creatures has. Yeah, like, if it's an innate ability would 683 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: be it would it be as simple as someone observing 684 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 1: in three dimensions just moving their hand toward or away 685 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: from their eyes. Well, yeah, and if it's that, then 686 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: the motivation could just be more like it's something that 687 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to do or I thought this would be funny. 688 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,280 Speaker 1: There's a quote from Keel wherein he describes the motivation 689 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: as part of a subtle cosmological system of control. It's 690 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: been in effect, it's the dawn of humanity. That's a 691 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: very vague statement as far as motivations go. It's also 692 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: very intriguing. Yeah, it does kind of make you want 693 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: to buy a book, and that's not a burn on 694 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: John Keel. That's that's probably just good marketing, right. But 695 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: it also, you know, you would wonder what again, that 696 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: doesn't really answer the question what is the end game? 697 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 1: Especially if this is, as Matt said, an expensive or 698 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 1: and or dangerous endeavor. Kill also believes this theory explains 699 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 1: why some geographical areas are home to more UFO reports. 700 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,399 Speaker 1: He calls them window areas and he thinks he says 701 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: they are probably areas with magnetic anomalies and that this 702 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: again makes the process of appearing in our space, time 703 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,399 Speaker 1: plane or level or our brain b r A any 704 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: easier for these entities really fast. Before we kind of 705 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: start wrapping some of this up, let's just talk about 706 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: a gentleman named Charles Fort and four teens, so um 707 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: Mr Kiel. John Kiel was a self described fourteen. He 708 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,359 Speaker 1: went on Letterman one time, well well back in the day, 709 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: and he was he was described as a fourteen when 710 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 1: he was introduced. And this is someone who follows or 711 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: believes um or it. Maybe it's just a big fan 712 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: of but in in some way influenced by Charles hoy Fort, 713 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: who was a writer, published a bunch of books. Um. 714 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: He was a writer from oh well, gosh. He was 715 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,720 Speaker 1: born in eighteen seventy four and he died in nineteen 716 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: thirty two, so he existed quite a time ago. But then, 717 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: if you imagine someone like John Keel who's writing in 718 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties, in the sixties as well, he's 719 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: writing books about these things that were considered to be 720 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: or at least called fourteen events, things like frogs spontaneously 721 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: falling from the sky all of a sudden, or it's 722 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: raining red or the rivers are running red for some 723 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,359 Speaker 1: reason in this other country, or he even he brings 724 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,800 Speaker 1: up things about that time it rained raw meat in 725 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 1: China in the nineteenth century that I've never actually heard about. 726 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 1: I thought maybe you guys had heard about it from 727 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: ridiculous history. I heard it. I think I heard a 728 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 1: story on NPR about that actually a couple of years ago. Okay, 729 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,319 Speaker 1: we should totally steal that. Yeah, I mean there's all 730 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: kinds of things, even things that we used when Kentucky. 731 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 1: That's what I heard about. The Kentucky meat Shower took 732 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: place on March third of eighteen seventy six, where it's 733 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: spontaneously rained raw meat in the settlement of Rankin in 734 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: Bath County, Kentucky. Was not an isolated event. Apparently. Was 735 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: there a plausible explanation for that one? Well, some of 736 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: the meat was identified as being lung tissue from either 737 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,239 Speaker 1: a horse or a human baby. I knew it. WHOA Okay, 738 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 1: well we need to look into that. Um. But along 739 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,759 Speaker 1: with all of these things, these forty and events, they 740 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: include things such as bigfoot sightings and kangaroos that spontaneously 741 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,399 Speaker 1: appear in Illinois and then are chased and then can't 742 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,720 Speaker 1: be found again. Um, dinosaurs in Italy, they get chased 743 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 1: and hunted down by the army, but they don't ever 744 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: get found. But there were dinosaur footprints according to Kiel 745 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 1: And Um, it's just one of those things where I 746 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: think we have to imagine all of this in that world. 747 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 1: The the concept of ultra terrestrials comes from this place 748 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,160 Speaker 1: where a lot of these forty and events are perhaps 749 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 1: thought to be completely true. Right right, right right, that's 750 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: a very important extra dimension to add, oh snap to 751 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: the episode. And it's true at this point there is 752 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:58,320 Speaker 1: no solid proof that we could find of these extra dimensions. 753 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: A couple folks thought they came close experimental settings, uh, 754 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: and the math that they have worked on is compelling 755 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,240 Speaker 1: with the addition to these things, but again no one's 756 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 1: found the famous again fabled unified theory of everything. There's 757 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,759 Speaker 1: also because there's no proof of these extra dimensions in 758 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,839 Speaker 1: this sort of way, there's no solid proof of any 759 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 1: extra dimensional sentient intelligent entity that would be able to 760 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 1: find us. Of course, were it true, then automatically there 761 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,680 Speaker 1: would be some kind of sentient life in that in 762 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: one of those dimensions, as because we're you know edging 763 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: toward infinity. But it is completely possible that unobservable sentient 764 00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: life could exist. Emphasis impossible, right, because we can't see 765 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: the entirety of light rest spectrum, nor can we hear 766 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: the entirety of the sound spectrum. So pa possible, not 767 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 1: plausible at all. I mean, there's just no reason to 768 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,239 Speaker 1: There's no compelling reason for us to say for sure. 769 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: Do you guys think that there will ever be a 770 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:12,240 Speaker 1: real Walter Bishop that for some reason unlocks the ability 771 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,800 Speaker 1: to travel that sixth, fifth and sixth dimension. I just 772 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 1: think he would immediately like vaporize you, either physically or 773 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: just you know, like I said at the top of 774 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: the show, break your brain. You wouldn't be able to 775 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,080 Speaker 1: come back from it. Oh that was sort of part 776 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: of his character too. He he tweets him out a 777 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 1: little bit talking about from friends, Right, Palter Bishop, you man, 778 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,359 Speaker 1: good character. I really like that actor John noble Man. 779 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,439 Speaker 1: He was also wasn't in the Lord of the Rings. 780 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,360 Speaker 1: He was the worm ton a worm tong. I'm the 781 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,279 Speaker 1: really horrible king. Yeah, who goes crazy, eats the chicken. Well, 782 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 1: his boys get slaughtered. Is that a spoiler? No, it's 783 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 1: past the statue past the statue and speaking of time 784 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,240 Speaker 1: as we understand it, it feels like it's right about 785 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: time for us to wrap up the episode today. If 786 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:08,640 Speaker 1: you have any compelling proof of extra dimensional entities which 787 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 1: would be very very surprising to us and to the 788 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 1: world at large, love to see it here it encounter it. 789 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,880 Speaker 1: We may not be ready to go there with you, 790 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: but you know, we want to hear what you think. 791 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: Always did you see Annihilation? What was your read? I 792 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 1: would love to discuss that. Yeah, we could do a 793 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: whole episode or like a mini Maybe we should like 794 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 1: to start doing many episodes, or we like review weird 795 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: movies or just talk about like a movie that pertains 796 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: to one of our topics or something like that. That 797 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't be a bad idea, especially if we start a 798 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: thread on Here's where it gets crazy and then getting 799 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,440 Speaker 1: people's ideas, which is our community page you can join 800 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 1: to find all of us dropping by. 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