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Speaker 1: Three and Out Podcast Back at it again on a

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Speaker 1: beautiful I repeat beautiful Thursday afternoon. Uh here in the

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Speaker 1: Bay Area and actually went to a forty Niner practice today,

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Speaker 1: just just in terms of UH, I get it these

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Speaker 1: it is what it is. I mean, Uh now Kyler,

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Speaker 1: wanted to start with, first and foremost the story. I

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Speaker 1: why my favorite story of the Soddy League with Golf,

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Speaker 1: a good sale, I love a good like with the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: all the dollars fighting over the money. This is made

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Speaker 1: said over and over I do not see how the NFL,

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Speaker 1: at minimum doesn't spend him a year, and if he

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Speaker 1: turns out he's completely innocent, they can reduce it all.

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Speaker 1: And even if he's completely innocent, like he put himself

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Speaker 1: in this situation, I don't know anyone else in the

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Speaker 1: NFL who's having sex with every massage therapist in their state.

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Speaker 1: That's a Deshaun Watson poor decision that is not debatable. Now,

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Speaker 1: if he did things that cross the line and it's

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Speaker 1: provable or comes out he gets convicted on it, again,

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Speaker 1: I might not even be using the right verbiage. I'm

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Speaker 1: not a lawyer, just the act business major. I got

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson as being a complete the whole situation, the

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00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 1: Browns look worse today. Deshaun Watson looks worse today. They

439
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: got a serious problems on their hands, and it's clearly

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Speaker 1: not going away. And I you know, now, is he

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Speaker 1: gonna settle? He's been adamant. It's already gone too far,

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00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: like the settling which the Browns when they introduced him,

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Speaker 1: they said, we are very comfortable with him not settling

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Speaker 1: and going through this process. Well a two or three

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Speaker 1: or what. However, long later, he's found himself and even

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00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: a deeper hole. Another girl coming out because she was

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Speaker 1: inspired by watching them and giving evidence that he was

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00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: paying this dude to funnel women his way. Pretty crazy, man.

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Speaker 1: It's just I don't see how he avoids a year

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Speaker 1: long suspension. I feel that's borderline inevitable at this point.

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Speaker 1: And then the other quarterback that's on the Browns roster

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Speaker 1: not named Jacoby Versett is Baker Mayfield. And I follow

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Speaker 1: him on Instagram, and I follow his uh his wife

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, and she and I'm not a Baker Mayfield hater.

455
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: I think he's a little overrated as a player, but

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Speaker 1: as a player, like he's an NFL quarterback, he's probably

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Speaker 1: somewhere between twenty and thirty two. He should start in

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Speaker 1: the NFL when fully healthy. But right now, the reputation

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Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield, it's different than the Shaun Watson. Like

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's character and as a human being is completely

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Speaker 1: in question. Baker Mayfield, I think we just viewed as like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's kind of a cool guy, gets along with everyone

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Speaker 1: to like, what's this guy's deal? Like why why don't

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Speaker 1: people like this guy? What's going on here? And his

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Speaker 1: wife instagram to picture the other day of them like

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Speaker 1: I think they own a house in like Austin, Which

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Speaker 1: school I mean, that's I'd love to own a house

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Speaker 1: and like Austin And they were basically having a big

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Speaker 1: party and she posted this like on Wednesday. And if

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Speaker 1: I was in his camp and I was advising Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: I'd say, listen, man, your reputation around the league is

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Speaker 1: terrible right now. People they can't even pinpoint exactly what

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Speaker 1: it is, but the perception of you is negative, not positive. Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a huge believer of leading some fake life.

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Speaker 1: You know where I stand on that be true, be authentic,

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Speaker 1: But I also think there's a time to be tactful

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Speaker 1: of just the what you're putting out there, including your

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Speaker 1: significant other and a picture on a boat partying on

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday when everyone around the league is practicing. Probably

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Speaker 1: not the best idea. Now, if Mahomes did that, if

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Speaker 1: Brady did that, no fucking big deal, their reputation. They

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Speaker 1: played golf yesterday on the match, not only did no

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Speaker 1: one care, it was funny. But you're not in that

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Speaker 1: situation because people, for whatever reason, don't think you're a

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Speaker 1: good teammate. They don't like you. So you're showing like,

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Speaker 1: what's this guy's what's he doing just on a long

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Speaker 1: summer vacation. Now I'm not even saying you should post

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Speaker 1: videos of you running gas ers and throwing passes to

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Speaker 1: you know, some random wide receiver that you bring to

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Speaker 1: work out out. But I would lean doing that over

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Speaker 1: posting any picture of your drinking, of you hanging out.

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Speaker 1: And you may call me a stiff, but you're the

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Speaker 1: one whose career right now is in some jeopardy. And

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Speaker 1: I know, and again I'm speaking from a position if

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Speaker 1: I was his agent or his close friend, and say,

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of these gms. I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of these executives. I know the way they think,

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Speaker 1: and at this point in time, in two thousand, twenty two.

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Speaker 1: They are monitoring all this stuff because if they're gonna

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Speaker 1: acquire you, if they're gonna trade for you, if they're

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00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: gonna bring in We don't think twice about bringing in

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00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: a lot of different position players, but when it comes

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Speaker 1: to quarterback, it's taken very seriously. It's why so many teams,

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Speaker 1: despite him being very talented, we're out on Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: They did not trust that something didn't happen on his end,

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Speaker 1: and every day that goes by, it feels like, you know,

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Speaker 1: is the guy innocent? And Baker Mayfield falls under the

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Speaker 1: category of like, do we want this guy in our building?

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Speaker 1: Would anyone like him? Or would we try to kick

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Speaker 1: him out? And I would just recommend in bro lay Low,

511
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Speaker 1: no posting anything of doing anything remotely fun beside working out,

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Speaker 1: and like listen, I just I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: that would even change, but I would avoid at all

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Speaker 1: possible any pictures of you screwing around, because right now

515
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: the whole league views you as a screw around. Like

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Speaker 1: that's the way they view you. And like I said,

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00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: those four guys played golf, No one cared. I watched

518
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 1: a hole, but no one cared Baker Mayfield couldn't pull

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00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: that off right now. So not everyone falls under the

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Speaker 1: same category. We're not all judged on the same levels.

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00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: Some people are on pedestals, some people are in the gutter.

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Speaker 1: And right now it feels like Baker Mayfield's careers in

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Speaker 1: the gutter. Ryan Fitzpatrick retired. And the one thing like

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Speaker 1: even being at the forty niner practice yesterday, which was terrible.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was really bad. But if you were

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Speaker 1: a young guy, an undrafted free agent, a fifth round pick,

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Speaker 1: a six round pick, you got a ton of reps.

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Speaker 1: You got to tell your friends when the day ended.

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Speaker 1: I just was running with the two's. I'm an undrafted

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Speaker 1: free agent at a you know, in the NFL, and

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Speaker 1: this time of years is great for young guys and

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00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: the NFL. Ultimately, once you get a training camp and

533
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Speaker 1: then the season is the ultimate meritocracy. Obviously, first and

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Speaker 1: second round picks get a little more time, but that's

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Speaker 1: because they're highly more highly compensated. But within a year

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Speaker 1: or two, if you have a seventh round pick who

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00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: is dramatically better than your first round pick at wide receiver,

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00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: at guard, at linebacker, that seventh round pick is going

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Speaker 1: to play and that first round pick will not play.

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00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: Happens time and time again at all different organizations all

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Speaker 1: over the league, and in the NBA for the most part,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be a highly drafted guy to play in

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Speaker 1: the league. What most guys are you know, they only

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00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: have two rounds, But you don't hear that many stories

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00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: of like you know, this guy was up undrafted free agent,

546
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: played in Europe for seven years and now is a stud.

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00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: It happens every once in a while, and when it does,

548
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: p J. Tucker, it's kind of legendary. Patrick Beverley, whatever.

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00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: Draymond Green is one of the better stories. And like

550
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Speaker 1: NBA history, he was a thirty pick. Nicole Yoke, who's

551
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: won back to back m v p s, might be

552
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: the greatest draft pick in the history of the league,

553
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Speaker 1: was picked forty one. Now there are obviously less players

554
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: in the NBA, so it's it's not apples to apples,

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00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: But we all know that like being a seventh round pick,

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Speaker 1: big and undrafted free agent, you not only can make

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00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: a career, you can have a long career. You can

558
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: become a star, you can become a highly compensated starter.

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Speaker 1: Ryan fitzpet If you are a rich kid who goes

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Speaker 1: to private school and then goes to college and then

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Speaker 1: goes on to work at Wall Street and make millions

562
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Speaker 1: of dollars. Where I sit, I don't say that's not impressive,

563
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: because ultimately, you have to take advantage of the opportunities,

564
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: and once you get into a certain situation, unless someone

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00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: hands you free money, you have to close deals, you

566
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: have to generate money, whatever industry you're in, eventually you

567
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: gotta close. You gotta close. But I'd say, well, how

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00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: about the kid from who grew up in poverty, who

569
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Speaker 1: got straight a's, who took out student loans to go

570
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: to U c. L A. And then created his own company.

571
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: I'd go, well, listen, I respect anyone who's successful, because

572
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: I do believe that in the real world, in the

573
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: trenches of society, like you gotta get it done. But

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00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: that's way more impressive growing up poor making it starting

575
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: your own business than the guy that makes billions who

576
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: grew up on third base, goes to a school because

577
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: his dad knew someone and it gets a job because

578
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: his dad knew someone, and then from there takes advantage

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00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: of it. I think we'd all agree with that. So

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00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: if Trevor Lawrence goes on to become a star, that'd

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00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: be cool and I would be impressive, But we were

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00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: calling him a star before his career even began. There's

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Speaker 1: a reason he was drafted number one overall, right, because

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00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: people viewed him as a potential star. I'd say the

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00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: same thing about Zack Wilson and Trey Lamps if they

586
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: are ever really good. I don't think it should be

587
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: viewed as that crazy. They were drafted in the top

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00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: three of a loaded draft, right, It's no different like

589
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott becoming a top fifteen quarterback is more impressive

590
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: than you know, a first rounder. I'm trying to think

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00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: of a guy who was drafted really high. Who's who's

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00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: really good. I mean, I guess you could use, you know,

593
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, but Josh Allen is an impressive story, so

594
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: that's probably a bad example. But like Deshaun Watson and

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00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, you know, Patrick Mahomes become one of the

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Speaker 1: best players. I think part of the reason it's such

597
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: a crazy story is because not many people thought he

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00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: was gonna be that good. But he was the twelfth

599
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: pick in the draft. So when Russell Wilson and Dak

600
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: Prescott go on to have fifteen year careers as a

601
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. Third fourth round. Ryan Fitzpatrick was drafted in

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00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: the seventh round. Started a hundred and forty seven games.

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00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: He was picked two hundred and fifty. Picked two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty. What a career, What a story. A couple

605
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: of years ago, I was playing golf in Monterey and

606
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: I was playing with this guy's They were on a

607
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: guy's trip and they had like three different foursomes, but

608
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: one of their foursomes was threesomes, so they put me

609
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: with him. And it turns out they were all from

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Speaker 1: southern California and one of the guys in the group

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00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: played football at Harvard and they were successful young guys.

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00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: And this guy was running back at Harvard when Ryan

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick was there, and I remember asking him. I was like, God,

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Speaker 1: was he just the best player in your team? Do

615
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Speaker 1: you guys think you you were playing with Dan Marino,

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Speaker 1: He's like, Honestly, his first couple of years, he couldn't

617
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: even start because we had a guy who at the

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00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: time was the most accomplished quarterback in the history of Harvard.

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Speaker 1: And when he did start, we love the guy, but

620
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: we never viewed him like we're playing with Dan Marino

621
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Speaker 1: and part of the NFL and this is the NBA too.

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00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: It's why late, you know, undrafted free agents can make it. Toughness, intangibles,

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Speaker 1: you can separate yourself with that stuff. You need the

624
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: baseline physical attributes like Ryan Fitzpatrick would have to be

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00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: tall enough, he has to have a good enough arm,

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00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: he has to understand football enough, like obviously, but then

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00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: in terms of his willingness to work, his willingness to

628
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: be a good teammate, his willingness to be beloved by

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff comes into play. And this guy, you know,

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00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: he's not a Hall of Famer, I'm not even. I

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00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: don't even He's probably never even made a Pro Bowl.

632
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: But that is an impressive career like that that deserves

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Speaker 1: if you just appreciate overcoming. Because it is not easy

634
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: to be a seventh round quarterback and play seventeen years

635
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: in the league and not as like a fifteen year backup.

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Speaker 1: This guy was starting games a large percentage of his career.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think it's much easier to be Chase

638
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: Daniel and basically, you know, be I think Chase Chaniel

639
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: might be an undrafted free agent. He's gonna end up

640
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: having a twelve fourteen year career, but he was a

641
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: backup the entire time. If Chase Daniel had to start

642
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: back to back seasons, that he would be out of

643
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: the league because he's not good enough. I saw him

644
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: start a game the couple years ago for Chicago Barris.

645
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: He's terrible, but he never has to start. Ryan Fitzpatrick

646
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: was good enough to be able to start games. I

647
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: remember they came to the forty nine or two years

648
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: ago with Miami get one of the best games I've

649
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: ever seen. It was like watching Dan Marino and he

650
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: was thirty eight years old, like Ryan Fitzpatrick could play.

651
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: So you just it's what makes the NFL cool. But

652
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: even in a in a league where there are great

653
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: stories late round and undrafted free agents, I would say

654
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick has to be near the top of most

655
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: unique stories in NFL history. Let's let's hit it on

656
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: a couple of nuggets really quick before we get out

657
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: of here. I've been hard on this guy and I'll

658
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: continue to because I just I don't like his vibe.

659
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm not into quarterbacks who aren't good leaders and the

660
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: teammates kind of questions sometimes, and I think Kyler falls

661
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: under that kind of the baseball mentality. I don't think

662
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: he's beloved in the room that they even they admitted

663
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: last year that they had to uh that they had to,

664
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, bring in leadership, that they needed to sign J. J.

665
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: Watt because the team needed leadership. You don't have to

666
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: do that with Patrick Mahomes. You don't have to do

667
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: that with Lamar Jackson, you don't. You don't have to

668
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: do that with Josh Allen. Like those are my leaders.

669
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: I want my young quarterback to be like, that's my leader.

670
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert viewed as a leader, you know, my quarterback.

671
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: I build the fucking franchise around. So when I have

672
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: to think, and again I'm not saying you don't need

673
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: leaders and other positions, but it's like, yeah, we have

674
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: no leadership on this team. Well you have the number

675
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: one overall quarterback who's been in your team multiple years.

676
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: That's a red flag for me. And clearly he thought

677
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: like he deserves a lot of money, and I think

678
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: physically and his talent wise, I think he could be

679
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: worth a lot of money. Under no circumstance. I'm gonna

680
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: say it over and over until they either do or

681
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: don't do it. I could not pay him this offseason,

682
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: could not do it, not after the way last year ended.

683
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: So for me, I think someone told Kyler you got

684
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: if you even want a chance of getting paid, you

685
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: better show up. And he showed up. And I'd even

686
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: argue that's a red flag, like what what's going on here?

687
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 1: All right? What's up with the wishy washy you? Because

688
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: basically you realize they ain't paying you and you better

689
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: go because they need year round because the quarterbacks basically

690
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: every team in the league and Lamar Jackson. I do

691
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: not compare Lamar Jackson to Kyler Murray. He's won an

692
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: m v P every year he's healthy, they go to

693
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs. He's also beloved in his franchise. They clearly

694
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: questioned Kyler Murray. That's not debatable at this point. And

695
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a very very complicated situation.

696
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: If they were asking me for advice, I know they're not.

697
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: We can't pay them. Michael la Floor, Uh, who was?

698
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: I think? Because what happens usually is the the coach,

699
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: the head coach talks the first week of o t

700
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: a s and then the different coordinators talk for the

701
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. And michaela Floor, who's Matt's brother,

702
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: who's the offensive coordinator with the New York Jets, said

703
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: yesterday that there's a lot of urgency to make Zack

704
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: Wilson a good player. And like we talked about with

705
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: the Broncos, the the the uh the Chargers, and the Raiders,

706
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: how there's a lot of pressure with those teams to

707
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Any one of those teams that don't

708
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, it's gonna feel like a disaster. I

709
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of pressure with the Jets not

710
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, but to be a competent looking franchise,

711
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: to be a team that maybe goes seven and ten,

712
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: but goes God, they're just a player or two, or

713
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: a little bit more leadership or a little bit more

714
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: experienced away from being a playoff team. They cannot have

715
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: a season where they win three or four games, because

716
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: if that happens, I think we question absolutely everything that's

717
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: going on there. And the problem is it's not like, well,

718
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: they're just missing a quarterback. They literally drafted the guy

719
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: number two overall. So I agree with the flour. There

720
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: is a shipload of urgency to see Zack Wilson look

721
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: like a competent quarterback, to look like a good player,

722
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: because ultimately, the we were talking about this stand in

723
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: a Niner practice, like, if I was an agent, I

724
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: would want my quarterback, my young quarterback, to get drafted

725
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: by a team that has a head coach who's my

726
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, because no matter who goes comes, it goes

727
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: that guy, and the coordinator never changes. Mahomes to Andy Reid, right,

728
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, it's we're gonna see how that goes. Now

729
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: the day ball has gone, Trey Lance Boom, Kyle Shanahan

730
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: is gonna work. I don't know, but to me, that

731
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: is the best set up. I think it's same for

732
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterbacks, right McVeigh, Stafford Laflour, Rogers. I that

733
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: that's the way I like my setup. Now, I'm not

734
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: saying that defensive coach can't help out, but in this

735
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: modern day NFL, that's what I like. And I think

736
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of pressure on Robert Sala

737
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: on the floor and Zack Wilson to just look good.

738
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure, uh time's gonna tell I wouldn't

739
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: bet on it. A Keem Hicks, who I've always liked,

740
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: really good player with Chicago Bears, signed with Tampa Bay.

741
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: What I think is gonna be fascinating about Tampa Bay

742
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: is like their team is gonna be really good. It's

743
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: just gonna come down to the coach. But Todd Bowles

744
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: is gonna be clearly a lot different than Bruce Arians

745
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: because he's gonna have absolutely nothing to do with the offense.

746
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: He's going to be I think he's gonna be the

747
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. But even if he's not gonna be the

748
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, defense his baby and Tom and Left, which

749
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: are going to run the offense. We're clearly the last

750
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: couple of years and it's just human nature Arians and

751
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: Brady and Left, which has been a lot of a

752
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: lot of cooks in the kitchen. Well now it's pretty

753
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: black and white. Tom Left, which two voices if anything

754
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: Left which is gonna just lean with Tom because he's

755
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: Tom fucking Brady, And it's those guys offense to run

756
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: if their defense is good, which is I don't see

757
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: how it's not gonna be good. Kiem Hicks could come

758
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: out to be one of the better signings of the

759
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: off season. Uh, you know, Tampa should be right there.

760
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: And last, but not least, David Tepper. He is building

761
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: a practice facility and clearly him in the city were

762
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: not on the same page and building the practice facility

763
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: through this LLC, and he just went bankrupt. He's like, yeah,

764
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: we're done with it, We're not paying for it anymore,

765
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: and just stopped. When you get some of these guys

766
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: in the league did pay I mean he paid cash

767
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: for his franchise at two point two billion. I don't

768
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: know if the guy is gonna pay cash at four

769
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: point five billion for the Broncos. Interest rates a little

770
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 1: higher now, maybe he's got four point five billion cash.

771
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: Obviously four point five and two point two you have

772
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: to have two point three billion more of cash lying around.

773
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: Most rich guys I know don't love getting rid of

774
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: all their capital. But who knows. Regardless whether you finance it,

775
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: whether you pay cash for it, it's a large sum

776
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: of money. And these guys are ruthless, absolutely ruthless businessman.

777
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 1: And David Tepper is a good example of we thought

778
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: he was gonna be good just because he was really

779
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: rich and it's clearly just gone a little weird. And

780
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily talking about this because he easily could

781
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: be in the right. I'm in northern California where we

782
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: got some of the wackiest whack jobs of municipalities. To

783
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: deal with permits and to get things done, it's basically impossible.

784
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: Another thing Ellen talked about, the main reason he moved

785
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: to Texas was not as even much of the taxes,

786
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: he would never be able to build his facility here.

787
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: Like he said, it would take infinity amount of time.

788
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: We we would never be able to get the permits.

789
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: I go to Texas, takes us eighteen months. We're building

790
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: the bad Boy. It's gonna be as big as the Pentagon.

791
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: He just wants to build. And when you when you

792
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: deal with the government and local administration, can be very

793
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: very difficult. Now obviously, when you're not financing it all yourself,

794
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's gonna be on them. And most

795
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: people in local government, you know, aren't business people. They're

796
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: just financed by us, the taxpayer, who really bring nothing

797
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: to the table. We financed all their ideas. It's kind

798
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: of asked backwards when you really stop to think about it.

799
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: But when you get guys like Temper who aren't going

800
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: to respect those type people in the first place, you

801
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: get some of these situations. But overall, let's face it,

802
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers have been a very, very unimpressive operation

803
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: under David Tepper, where when he bought the team a

804
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: little bit like the New York Mets with acts from

805
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: Billions who bought the team Steve Cohen, we thought like,

806
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: oh man, this is this is either gonna be crazier

807
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: blow up, it's actually going pretty well, is going really well.

808
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: The Mets are really good. He's a really good owner.

809
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: I'd even say same thing for Steve Balmber, rich guy,

810
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: crazy guy. How's its gonna go? Clippers? Really good, really competitive,

811
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: especially given the circumstances this year with Kawai being injured

812
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: and Paul George being in that lineup. But you watch

813
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, You're like, is this guy kind of

814
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: a wild card? You know, it's just got used to

815
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: just knowing everything about the stock market, and now he's

816
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: in these other industries. He has no funing clue what

817
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: he's doing, what he's getting into. Like I wonder if

818
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: you asked the League office, like what have you thought

819
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: about this operation so far? They'd be like, yeah, you know,

820
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: we like having his wealth involved in the league, but

821
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: it's not as seamless as we thought it would be.

822
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 1: He pays whatever sixty five million dollars for Matt rule,

823
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: that hasn't gone very seamlessly at all. I think most

824
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: of us agree that we don't even envision him being

825
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: the coach in six months. I would imagine he's a

826
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: college coach. Next year would be would be my bet.

827
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: And then you have David Tepper going to look for

828
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: a coach. If that happens, I wonder how desirable, especially

829
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: they want have a quarterback unless at Corral turns out

830
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: to be a good player. Uh, for coaches to go to. Now,

831
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: money talks, of course, has asked Dustin Johnson. So if

832
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: he's offering someone ten fifteen million, he's gonna get someone

833
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: to take the job. But as you saw with the Jags,

834
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: who have a very very rich owner, people didn't want

835
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: that job. Now, some of that had to do with

836
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: Trent Bulky being the general manager and picking the players,

837
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: but also some had to do with like that's where

838
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: careers go to die. This owner like it clearly doesn't

839
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: work there, and I would say that Khan has proven

840
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: to be pretty loyal. But I don't know, man, it's

841
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: just the Carolina Panthers might might just be that region

842
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: of the country. It always felt like the teams down

843
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: there are just a little weird, right Carolina, Uh, Tampa

844
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: historically has been a little weird, Miami's weird. Atlanta has

845
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: been pretty stable. We'll see the Saints, you know where

846
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: they just all shipped Sean Payton, Drew Brees. Could they

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Speaker 1: get a little weird? Um that field? That's SEC country?

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Speaker 1: Like when I I think the South, I think the SEC. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously some of these teams, you know, the Panthers had

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Speaker 1: going to Pro Bowls. If you don't have a quarterback

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Speaker 1: and you have an owner that doesn't know what he's doing,

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Speaker 1: you got some problems. And that's kind of what it

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Speaker 1: feels like going on with the with the Carolina Panthers

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Speaker 1: right now. Let's uh, let's enjoy the weekend. I'm sweating

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Speaker 1: right now. I didn't I didn't turn my a c

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Speaker 1: is really muggy where I'm at. I gotta I got

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Speaker 1: get some better air flow here. I also gotta fix

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Speaker 1: my dryer. That's a whole another project. But you know,

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Speaker 1: getting old, being an adult sometimes sucks you. Just like

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Speaker 1: I wish I just had a landlord. I could call

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Speaker 1: and be like, hey, can you fix my dryer? You know,

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Speaker 1: my my sink's not working. Can you come here? And

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Speaker 1: and then you realize, like, I'm my own landlord, so

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Speaker 1: I gotta fix these problems. I just want a podcast

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Speaker 1: and watch the Warriors game, but fucking dryer doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's just it's not easy being an adult.

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Speaker 1: You know, anyone who's listening, who's like in their teens

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Speaker 1: or early twenties, and enjoy them. You know, times are good.

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Speaker 1: You know you don't have that much responsibility in enjoy

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Speaker 1: those times. Um, Like I said, everyone, have a good weekend.

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