Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.
Speaker 2: It is Thursday, February twelfth. He is five nine or
Speaker 2: five ten with an average build. That is the description
Speaker 2: of the suspect now and the kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie.
Speaker 2: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Breaking News episode.
Speaker 2: We did not think we'd be hopping on, but significant
Speaker 2: enough updates in this case robe that we thought we
Speaker 2: should jump on.
Speaker 1: So yes, we should start with that.
Speaker 2: The FBI, it's not that specific, but it's something they're
Speaker 2: using that surveillance video, those images from the front porch,
Speaker 2: and now they are putting out a description of somebody
Speaker 2: they think is the one who can solve this case.
Speaker 3: That's correct, and they this makes sense. They had a
Speaker 3: white tent they put up this morning on Nancy Guthrie's
Speaker 3: front porch and it looks like they were They have
Speaker 3: very accurate tools, they say, to be able to get
Speaker 3: the angles of where the do where camer was and
Speaker 3: actually do measurements, and they said they're pretty precise. So
Speaker 3: they feel confident that they have this suspect's height down
Speaker 3: within an inch five nine to five ten.
Speaker 2: That's pretty remarkable, it is, butbes the statement they put out,
Speaker 2: we'll share we at the FBI statement. They put it
Speaker 2: put online first of all, saying that the reward has
Speaker 2: increased us another headline we'll tell you about. But they
Speaker 2: say new identifying details about the suspect and the kidnapping
Speaker 2: of Nancy Guthrie have been confirmed after a forensic analysis
Speaker 2: of the doorbell camera footage by the FBI's Operational Technology Division.
Speaker 2: The suspect is described as a male five nine to
Speaker 2: five ten and just tall with an average build. In
Speaker 2: the video, he was wearing a black twenty five leader
Speaker 2: Ozark trail hiker pack backpack. And that's all we got. Now,
Speaker 2: the most specific thing here, robes is the backpack. A
Speaker 2: five to ten average build guy, that's me.
Speaker 4: That's just about everybody. You're a little taller than that.
Speaker 4: But yes, it's nice.
Speaker 2: Get My point is, it's not that distinctive in the description,
Speaker 2: but the backpack is specific.
Speaker 3: Yes, the backpack is specific, and it has reflective bands
Speaker 3: on basically the straps, and so that sets it apart.
Speaker 3: And because it's reflective, they could actually see it. And
Speaker 3: they're looking for that backpack in other videos, in other
Speaker 3: potential surveillance videos, and they are asking now neighbors to
Speaker 3: go back in time because they think it's possible this
Speaker 3: man could have been perhaps scoping out the area, maybe
Speaker 3: planned his route, maybe did some test runs. So they're
Speaker 3: actually asking neighbors to go back even further a month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're asking them to go back a month.
Speaker 2: If you got anything from January one on, let us know.
Speaker 2: So they're looking for that enrolled we should mention as well.
Speaker 2: But they are looking into it. There is a video
Speaker 2: they have acknowledged authorities. We just looked at the video
Speaker 2: it is circulating that shows. Please tell me how far
Speaker 2: back this went if you can remember. But there's a
Speaker 2: video surveillance video that seems to show a guy which
Speaker 2: you can't tell what he's doing, but he has a backpack.
Speaker 2: He's about a mile and a half away from her home,
Speaker 2: and this was maybe weeks ahead of time. But it's
Speaker 2: circulating online and raising some questions.
Speaker 3: Correct, And that is why they have asked actually footage
Speaker 3: from anyone who may have video Onary January eleventh, between
Speaker 3: nine pm and midnight and January thirty first, between nine
Speaker 3: thirty and eleven, because they know something that maybe there
Speaker 3: was someone wearing that backpack, someone who fit that description
Speaker 3: that may have been seen in the area on those
Speaker 3: two dates. So they're actually asking neighbors to go back
Speaker 3: to those two dates and go through all their footage.
Speaker 4: That is pretty remarkable, and the specificity is hopeful.
Speaker 3: I would think that they have a lead that they
Speaker 3: have enough information on that they can be that specific.
Speaker 2: Well they're so is this amazing? How much help they
Speaker 2: are begging the public for? It's incredible.
Speaker 1: Robes.
Speaker 2: You know what this has a lot to do with.
Speaker 2: There are no cameras out there, there are no people around.
Speaker 2: She's out that houses out in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2: This is a totally different situation. But yes, this is
Speaker 2: where we are now. They're asking for everybody's help. The
Speaker 2: other major headline today why the hell is wh why
Speaker 2: is TMZ getting more ransom notes and demands and potential
Speaker 2: kidnappers and whatever else than anybody else They've gotten another note?
Speaker 3: Well, I think perhaps because maybe they've been public about it,
Speaker 3: so whoever is contacting them knows that it's getting to
Speaker 3: them and it's getting attention, and whether it's attention or
Speaker 3: actually action that they're looking for, they i think have
Speaker 3: recognized that it's producing results. And so yes, TMZ, we
Speaker 3: told you about this morning, the first video or excuse me,
Speaker 3: the first ransom note.
Speaker 4: I guess that was the second ransom note. Now this
Speaker 4: is another note.
Speaker 2: Let's get this straight. They got two ransom notes from
Speaker 2: potential kidnappers. Now, the last two notes I've gotten is
Speaker 2: from one who said I want money and I'll tell
Speaker 2: you who the kidnapper is. Those are the last two
Speaker 2: emails they've got. The second one, they're saying ropes they
Speaker 2: got today this morning, Thursday. Yeah, they're on the West
Speaker 2: coast and they're sharing the details and they're saying this
Speaker 2: one is now his words, Harry Levin's.
Speaker 4: Words, chilling, that's very disturbing.
Speaker 3: Yes, this one came to them around eleven am Eastern time,
Speaker 3: I think eight am Pacific time today Thursday. And what
Speaker 3: Harvey Levin was able to tell us is that in
Speaker 3: this second email, the person who sent it was complaining saying,
Speaker 3: I am not being taken seriously. And then he says,
Speaker 3: Harvey Levin says, this person who emailed them makes some
Speaker 3: ominous statements. They're cooperating with law enforcement by not giving
Speaker 3: us those specific details that are so ominous, so chilling.
Speaker 3: But he said the situation has changed from what we
Speaker 3: told you on Wednesday from this email to what we
Speaker 3: now know on Thursday what that means, and he explained
Speaker 3: why this person is asking for one bitcoin, which this
Speaker 3: seam's strange.
Speaker 1: This seems strange. One bitcoin.
Speaker 2: It looks well, the past several days has been around
Speaker 2: sixty five, sixty six sixty seven thousand dollars. That in
Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things, doesn't seem like a whole lot.
Speaker 2: But this person claims that they need this money because
Speaker 2: they want to lay low, that they're going to become
Speaker 2: a national rat quote unquote, yes, a national rat, and
Speaker 2: they're gonna need to go away for a little while,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna need some money. This is the argument that
Speaker 2: they're making.
Speaker 1: Robes.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You're not
Speaker 2: a nation. I don't know what the dynamic is here.
Speaker 2: You're telling me you can end this family and this
Speaker 2: country's nightmare. Give me sixty seven grand first robes.
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah mean, give me one bitcoin.
Speaker 3: In addition to being afraid of retaliation for being a
Speaker 3: rat for I guess exposing the kidnapper, the writer or
Speaker 3: the author of the sema also told TMC that he's
Speaker 3: afraid he might be incriminated like that Carlosky. That was,
Speaker 3: of course the DoorDash delivery man who was detained, questioned
Speaker 3: and then released.
Speaker 4: So obviously he's following the news. He knows what's going on.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting now that he's asking for this one
Speaker 3: bitcoin to lay low. And now we have the FBI
Speaker 3: now saying, hey, if you have information that leads to
Speaker 3: the arrest of someone or to the whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie,
Speaker 3: you're looking at one hundred grant double.
Speaker 1: They have doubled. This is what they've done today as well.
Speaker 2: Other headline double the reward was that to increase tips possible?
Speaker 2: Was that to give a nod to this person, like, dude,
Speaker 2: come on, we're offering more money for the reward then
Speaker 2: you're even asked. I don't know if that was to
Speaker 2: send a signal to this guy, but rhaps it doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense.
Speaker 1: And I know there's a process and.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that money you don't get it until somebody's actually
Speaker 2: arrested and goes to the legal process.
Speaker 1: You don't get it immediately, That's what I say. So
Speaker 1: maybe they're.
Speaker 2: Thinking that I don't but this doesn't make any None
Speaker 2: of this makes sense.
Speaker 3: None of this makes sense, and what is perhaps even
Speaker 3: more chilling with all of that, this second email from
Speaker 3: this same person, Harvey Levin, said that he his email
Speaker 3: with basically a threat.
Speaker 4: This is his final attempt to.
Speaker 3: Help, that is what he said, like, this is it,
Speaker 3: This is my last offer to help. And TMZ has
Speaker 3: been checking and they said at this point, no money
Speaker 3: or bitcoin has been deposited into his account.
Speaker 4: I don't know how bitcoin works transactionally.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know that you could see if someone
Speaker 3: has more or less.
Speaker 4: That's weird.
Speaker 3: That's kind of creepy to think that you can look
Speaker 3: and see what someone's bank activity is when it comes
Speaker 3: to cryptocurrency.
Speaker 4: But apparently that's the case.
Speaker 2: The address, I guess that's like your account number. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this doesn't make sense. I am so either way, it's awful.
Speaker 2: If this person is just playing a prank and trying
Speaker 2: to take advantage.
Speaker 1: That's terrible.
Speaker 2: If this person actually does know what's going on and
Speaker 2: where Nancy Guthrie is and you're holding this family hostage
Speaker 2: even further, that is again, I try to leave space
Speaker 2: for whatever is going on in this person's life. I
Speaker 2: try to leave space that there might be a reason
Speaker 2: for fear, for fear of retaliation of the kidnapper. There
Speaker 2: might be I try to leave space for ropes if
Speaker 2: you can end this, and you're not because you want
Speaker 2: one bitcoin.
Speaker 1: That is hard to understand.
Speaker 4: It's hard to stomach.
Speaker 1: That's hard to stomach.
Speaker 3: It's hard to stomach, and especially with the urgency that
Speaker 3: we now know this eighty four year old woman has
Speaker 3: been missing.
Speaker 4: Now, I mean, I can't even believe that this is
Speaker 4: twelve days now, correct.
Speaker 1: Gonna be almost two full weeks, my goodness, in a couple,
Speaker 1: two fool weeks.
Speaker 2: And this is the woman that they came out on
Speaker 2: day one and said, we need to find her in
Speaker 2: twenty four hours because if you doesn't have this medicine,
Speaker 2: she could die.
Speaker 1: It could be fatal.
Speaker 2: And now they've gotten settled into an investigation, almost like
Speaker 2: send in the tips, what's the next thing, No press briefings.
Speaker 2: It's like they've settled in and tried to solve some
Speaker 2: long drawn out mystery. When this is a matter of
Speaker 2: urgent life or death. This has taken a different turn.
Speaker 2: We do want to tell you we heard from Savannah
Speaker 2: Guthrie again today will tell you what she says, said
Speaker 2: a sweet poignant and really a heartbreaking video.
Speaker 1: She posted stay here all right?
Speaker 2: Well continue here on, Amy and TJ. Just wanted to
Speaker 2: hop on and give you a quick update and it
Speaker 2: was worthy. We usually don't usually Rose put one up
Speaker 2: this late. That does it rise to the level? Should
Speaker 2: we update, folks? And yes, we have enough updates on
Speaker 2: the Savannah Guthries mom missing Mom's story. A new note
Speaker 2: that TMZ has received from someone saying they know the kidnapper,
Speaker 2: but they want one bitcoin.
Speaker 1: That's the update.
Speaker 2: Another that the reward has doubled to one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars and the FBI has now using that surveillance video,
Speaker 2: have come up with a description of the suspect, a
Speaker 2: male five nine to five to ten with an average bill.
Speaker 1: What did you think, Rose?
Speaker 2: We heard from Savannah Guthrie again, but this is not
Speaker 2: the same type of video we seen before with her
Speaker 2: face there and saying please help, And this was totally
Speaker 2: she sent.
Speaker 1: How did this feel to you?
Speaker 3: She is trying, as she has with her siblings from
Speaker 3: the beginning, to humanize her mother. She is trying to
Speaker 3: appeal to whoever may have information, maybe not even the
Speaker 3: kidnapper themselves, but someone who knows who took their mom
Speaker 3: or who has their mom and so yes, she put
Speaker 3: out a nostalgic video from childhood showing basically just what
Speaker 3: it was like.
Speaker 4: Her as a little girl.
Speaker 3: Her sister is a little girl, her brother is a
Speaker 3: little boy, her mom is younger, and just this young
Speaker 3: mother who has you know, her three children around her.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was. It was incredibly moving. I would say,
Speaker 3: you know, you are taken back in time. I think
Speaker 3: everybody has a video that looks like these videos that
Speaker 3: Savannah put up. Everyone can relate to that feeling, that
Speaker 3: nostalgic feeling of family. And in the caption, she said,
Speaker 3: our lovely mom, we will never give up on her.
Speaker 4: Thank you for your prayers and.
Speaker 1: Hope maybe I took it. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't think she intended this, but it just felt
Speaker 2: like a tribute, you know, it just it It.
Speaker 4: Was My mind didn't go there.
Speaker 3: My mind was she was desperate to humanize her mom, like, see,
Speaker 3: this is my mom and we love her, and you
Speaker 3: have a mom like this, and you know what these
Speaker 3: videos are like, and please help us.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: Jesus chried. I just thought about Kobe Bryant's daughter.
Speaker 2: In this situation where you only see someone in a
Speaker 2: picture as a victim.
Speaker 1: Right, we can read.
Speaker 2: I've read for a long time that she's an eighty
Speaker 2: four year old mother with health issues. But when you
Speaker 2: see her moving, when you see her alive, you see
Speaker 2: her I say, alive, and that not suggesting she's dead.
Speaker 2: I'm saying you see her more than just a freeze
Speaker 2: frame and that's all we've seen. We see her interacting,
Speaker 2: And yes, I say it reminded me of Kobe Bryant's
Speaker 2: daughter died with him in that helicopter crash.
Speaker 1: I was at his funeral.
Speaker 2: We saw all these pictures of his daughter, all these pictures,
Speaker 2: but then at the funeral they had videos rolling of her.
Speaker 2: I broke down because you find it was humanizing and wow,
Speaker 2: you're seeing this human being. And to your point, Robes,
Speaker 2: I see Nancy Guthrie different today than I have into
Speaker 2: two weeks we've been covering it because of that vision.
Speaker 4: She was brought to life. You're right for everybody, and
Speaker 4: you see her vibrancy, you see her.
Speaker 3: The fact that she's alive and vibrant and a mother,
Speaker 3: and you just feel like fighting for information to keep
Speaker 3: her alive because there she is alive on this video.
Speaker 1: Hey, that was a good move.
Speaker 2: And I say that in that robe, it pulls at
Speaker 2: you a little differently. It's a mystery. We're curious, we're
Speaker 2: even frustrated. Now you see that, and you're almost resilient
Speaker 2: yourself connected. You're like, okay, let's go figure, let's go
Speaker 2: get this lady home.
Speaker 1: Kind of a thing.
Speaker 2: So seeing that, and you're adding to Rope, what the
Speaker 2: what is this person doing with the one bitcoin?
Speaker 1: How can you?
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, if just you can't braby for one bitcoin?
Speaker 2: If you know who this kidnapper is and you're sitting
Speaker 2: on it negotiating for a bitcoin, I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: Let me just say that out loud. I actually don't.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. But nobody's sitting around you.
Speaker 2: I have a hard time believing there's somebody out there
Speaker 2: who actually knows and wants one bitcoin.
Speaker 3: Yes, because they want it right away, they want to
Speaker 3: deposit it in their account. And I think your point is, yes,
Speaker 3: if they were to go through the proper channels and
Speaker 3: get the FBI reward, even if it is nearly double
Speaker 3: the amount they're asking for, there would be a lot
Speaker 3: of time and red tape in order for them to
Speaker 3: actually get their hands on.
Speaker 2: But I am going with humanity a little bit in
Speaker 2: faith that there's not somebody out there doing this that
Speaker 2: knows they can solve the crime and is going to
Speaker 2: continue to put the family through it for one bitcoin.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say this is a hoax and that's
Speaker 2: going to help me sleep a little better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that that's probably more likely than
Speaker 3: not help. So I think it's more likely than not
Speaker 3: because also think about this. Obviously, if you're going to
Speaker 3: the FBI and you've got this vital information and you're
Speaker 3: saying you're afraid of retaliation, they'll probably make sure you're
Speaker 3: good until this person is arrested, and they'll make sure
Speaker 3: you're safe. I would Maybe that's naive of me, but
Speaker 3: I would absolutely think that there are protections in place
Speaker 3: or they have the resources to make sure his fears are.
Speaker 4: Relief.
Speaker 2: Hold out hope that there's not somebody out there willing
Speaker 2: to continue to put the family through this for one bitcoin,
Speaker 2: and this is somebody trying to take advantage. That's awful too,
Speaker 2: But I'm holding on to that robes Again, this is
Speaker 2: a we did not expect to be doing this update,
Speaker 2: but this is a story you all certainly are, but
Speaker 2: we are keeping a very close eye on. It's not
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