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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, February twelfth. He is five nine or

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Speaker 2: five ten with an average build. That is the description

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Speaker 2: of the suspect now and the kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Breaking News episode.

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Speaker 2: We did not think we'd be hopping on, but significant

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Speaker 2: enough updates in this case robe that we thought we

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Speaker 1: So yes, we should start with that.

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Speaker 2: The FBI, it's not that specific, but it's something they're

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Speaker 2: using that surveillance video, those images from the front porch,

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Speaker 2: and now they are putting out a description of somebody

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Speaker 2: they think is the one who can solve this case.

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Speaker 3: That's correct, and they this makes sense. They had a

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Speaker 3: white tent they put up this morning on Nancy Guthrie's

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Speaker 3: front porch and it looks like they were They have

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Speaker 3: very accurate tools, they say, to be able to get

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Speaker 3: the angles of where the do where camer was and

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Speaker 3: actually do measurements, and they said they're pretty precise. So

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Speaker 3: they feel confident that they have this suspect's height down

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Speaker 3: within an inch five nine to five ten.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty remarkable, it is, butbes the statement they put out,

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Speaker 2: we'll share we at the FBI statement. They put it

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Speaker 2: put online first of all, saying that the reward has

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Speaker 2: increased us another headline we'll tell you about. But they

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Speaker 2: say new identifying details about the suspect and the kidnapping

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Speaker 2: of Nancy Guthrie have been confirmed after a forensic analysis

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Speaker 2: of the doorbell camera footage by the FBI's Operational Technology Division.

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Speaker 2: The suspect is described as a male five nine to

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Speaker 2: five ten and just tall with an average build. In

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Speaker 2: the video, he was wearing a black twenty five leader

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Speaker 2: Ozark trail hiker pack backpack. And that's all we got. Now,

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Speaker 2: the most specific thing here, robes is the backpack. A

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Speaker 2: five to ten average build guy, that's me.

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Speaker 4: That's just about everybody. You're a little taller than that.

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Speaker 4: But yes, it's nice.

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Speaker 2: Get My point is, it's not that distinctive in the description,

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Speaker 2: but the backpack is specific.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the backpack is specific, and it has reflective bands

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Speaker 3: on basically the straps, and so that sets it apart.

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Speaker 3: And because it's reflective, they could actually see it. And

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Speaker 3: they're looking for that backpack in other videos, in other

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Speaker 3: potential surveillance videos, and they are asking now neighbors to

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Speaker 3: go back in time because they think it's possible this

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Speaker 3: man could have been perhaps scoping out the area, maybe

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Speaker 3: planned his route, maybe did some test runs. So they're

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Speaker 3: actually asking neighbors to go back even further a month.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're asking them to go back a month.

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Speaker 2: If you got anything from January one on, let us know.

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Speaker 2: So they're looking for that enrolled we should mention as well.

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Speaker 2: But they are looking into it. There is a video

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Speaker 2: they have acknowledged authorities. We just looked at the video

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Speaker 2: it is circulating that shows. Please tell me how far

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Speaker 2: back this went if you can remember. But there's a

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Speaker 2: video surveillance video that seems to show a guy which

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Speaker 2: you can't tell what he's doing, but he has a backpack.

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Speaker 2: He's about a mile and a half away from her home,

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Speaker 2: and this was maybe weeks ahead of time. But it's

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Speaker 2: circulating online and raising some questions.

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Speaker 3: Correct, And that is why they have asked actually footage

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Speaker 3: from anyone who may have video Onary January eleventh, between

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Speaker 3: nine pm and midnight and January thirty first, between nine

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Speaker 3: was someone wearing that backpack, someone who fit that description

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Speaker 3: that may have been seen in the area on those

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Speaker 3: to those two dates and go through all their footage.

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Speaker 4: That is pretty remarkable, and the specificity is hopeful.

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Speaker 3: I would think that they have a lead that they

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Speaker 2: Well they're so is this amazing? How much help they

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Speaker 2: are begging the public for? It's incredible.

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Speaker 1: Robes.

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Speaker 2: You know what this has a lot to do with.

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Speaker 2: There are no cameras out there, there are no people around.

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Speaker 2: She's out that houses out in the middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: This is a totally different situation. But yes, this is

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Speaker 2: where we are now. They're asking for everybody's help. The

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Speaker 2: is TMZ getting more ransom notes and demands and potential

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Speaker 3: Well, I think perhaps because maybe they've been public about it,

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Speaker 3: so whoever is contacting them knows that it's getting to

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Speaker 3: actually action that they're looking for, they i think have

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Speaker 3: the first ransom note.

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Speaker 4: I guess that was the second ransom note. Now this

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Speaker 2: Let's get this straight. They got two ransom notes from

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Speaker 2: potential kidnappers. Now, the last two notes I've gotten is

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Speaker 2: emails they've got. The second one, they're saying ropes they

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Speaker 2: got today this morning, Thursday. Yeah, they're on the West

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Speaker 4: Words, chilling, that's very disturbing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this one came to them around eleven am Eastern time,

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Speaker 3: Harvey Levin was able to tell us is that in

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Speaker 3: this second email, the person who sent it was complaining saying,

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Speaker 3: Harvey Levin says, this person who emailed them makes some

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Speaker 3: ominous statements. They're cooperating with law enforcement by not giving

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Speaker 3: us those specific details that are so ominous, so chilling.

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Speaker 3: But he said the situation has changed from what we

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Speaker 3: now know on Thursday what that means, and he explained

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Speaker 3: why this person is asking for one bitcoin, which this

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Speaker 3: seam's strange.

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Speaker 1: This seems strange. One bitcoin.

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Speaker 2: It looks well, the past several days has been around

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Speaker 2: sixty five, sixty six sixty seven thousand dollars. That in

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Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things, doesn't seem like a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: But this person claims that they need this money because

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Speaker 2: they want to lay low, that they're going to become

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Speaker 2: a national rat quote unquote, yes, a national rat, and

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Speaker 2: they're gonna need to go away for a little while,

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Speaker 2: and they're gonna need some money. This is the argument that

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Speaker 1: Robes.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You're not

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Speaker 2: a nation. I don't know what the dynamic is here.

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Speaker 2: You're telling me you can end this family and this

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Speaker 2: country's nightmare. Give me sixty seven grand first robes.

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah mean, give me one bitcoin.

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Speaker 3: In addition to being afraid of retaliation for being a

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Speaker 3: the author of the sema also told TMC that he's

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Speaker 3: afraid he might be incriminated like that Carlosky. That was,

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Speaker 3: of course the DoorDash delivery man who was detained, questioned

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Speaker 4: So obviously he's following the news. He knows what's going on.

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Speaker 3: But it's interesting now that he's asking for this one

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Speaker 3: the arrest of someone or to the whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie,

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Speaker 3: you're looking at one hundred grant double.

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Speaker 1: They have doubled. This is what they've done today as well.

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Speaker 2: Other headline double the reward was that to increase tips possible?

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Speaker 2: Was that to give a nod to this person, like, dude,

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Speaker 2: come on, we're offering more money for the reward then

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Speaker 2: you're even asked. I don't know if that was to

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Speaker 1: And I know there's a process and.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes that money you don't get it until somebody's actually

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Speaker 1: You don't get it immediately, That's what I say. So

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Speaker 2: Thinking that I don't but this doesn't make any None

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Speaker 3: None of this makes sense, and what is perhaps even

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Speaker 3: more chilling with all of that, this second email from

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Speaker 3: this same person, Harvey Levin, said that he his email

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Speaker 4: This is his final attempt to.

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Speaker 3: Help, that is what he said, like, this is it,

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Speaker 3: This is my last offer to help. And TMZ has

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Speaker 3: been checking and they said at this point, no money

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Speaker 4: I don't know how bitcoin works transactionally.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know that you could see if someone

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Speaker 4: That's weird.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of creepy to think that you can look

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Speaker 4: But apparently that's the case.

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Speaker 2: The address, I guess that's like your account number. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: this doesn't make sense. I am so either way, it's awful.

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Speaker 2: If this person is just playing a prank and trying

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Speaker 1: That's terrible.

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Speaker 2: If this person actually does know what's going on and

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Speaker 2: where Nancy Guthrie is and you're holding this family hostage

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Speaker 2: even further, that is again, I try to leave space

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Speaker 2: for whatever is going on in this person's life. I

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Speaker 2: for fear, for fear of retaliation of the kidnapper. There

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Speaker 2: might be I try to leave space for ropes if

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Speaker 2: you can end this, and you're not because you want

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Speaker 2: one bitcoin.

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Speaker 1: That is hard to understand.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to stomach.

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Speaker 1: That's hard to stomach.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to stomach, and especially with the urgency that

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Speaker 3: we now know this eighty four year old woman has

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Speaker 3: been missing.

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Speaker 4: Now, I mean, I can't even believe that this is

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Speaker 4: twelve days now, correct.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be almost two full weeks, my goodness, in a couple,

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Speaker 2: And this is the woman that they came out on

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Speaker 2: day one and said, we need to find her in

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours because if you doesn't have this medicine,

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Speaker 1: It could be fatal.

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Speaker 2: And now they've gotten settled into an investigation, almost like

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Speaker 2: send in the tips, what's the next thing, No press briefings.

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Speaker 2: It's like they've settled in and tried to solve some

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Speaker 2: long drawn out mystery. When this is a matter of

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Speaker 2: urgent life or death. This has taken a different turn.

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Speaker 2: We do want to tell you we heard from Savannah

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Speaker 2: Guthrie again today will tell you what she says, said

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Speaker 2: a sweet poignant and really a heartbreaking video.

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Speaker 1: She posted stay here all right?

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Speaker 2: Well continue here on, Amy and TJ. Just wanted to

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Speaker 2: hop on and give you a quick update and it

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Speaker 2: was worthy. We usually don't usually Rose put one up

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Speaker 2: this late. That does it rise to the level? Should

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Speaker 2: we update, folks? And yes, we have enough updates on

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Speaker 2: the Savannah Guthries mom missing Mom's story. A new note

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Speaker 2: that TMZ has received from someone saying they know the kidnapper,

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Speaker 2: but they want one bitcoin.

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Speaker 1: That's the update.

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Speaker 2: Another that the reward has doubled to one hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars and the FBI has now using that surveillance video,

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Speaker 2: We heard from Savannah Guthrie again, but this is not

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Speaker 1: How did this feel to you?

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Speaker 3: She is trying, as she has with her siblings from

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it was. It was incredibly moving. I would say,

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Speaker 4: Thank you for your prayers and.

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Speaker 1: Hope maybe I took it. I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she intended this, but it just felt

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Speaker 4: Was My mind didn't go there.

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Speaker 3: My mind was she was desperate to humanize her mom, like, see,

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 1: Jesus chried. I just thought about Kobe Bryant's daughter.

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Speaker 2: In this situation where you only see someone in a

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Speaker 2: I've read for a long time that she's an eighty

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Speaker 2: I'm saying you see her more than just a freeze

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Speaker 2: We saw all these pictures of his daughter, all these pictures,

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Speaker 2: I broke down because you find it was humanizing and wow,

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Speaker 4: She was brought to life. You're right for everybody, and

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Speaker 3: The fact that she's alive and vibrant and a mother,

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Speaker 1: Hey, that was a good move.

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Speaker 2: And I say that in that robe, it pulls at

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Speaker 1: Kind of a thing.

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Speaker 2: So seeing that, and you're adding to Rope, what the

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Speaker 2: what is this person doing with the one bitcoin?

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Speaker 1: How can you?

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Speaker 2: Okay, fine, if just you can't braby for one bitcoin?

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Speaker 2: If you know who this kidnapper is and you're sitting

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Speaker 2: on it negotiating for a bitcoin, I don't believe it.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say that out loud. I actually don't.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't. But nobody's sitting around you.

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Speaker 2: I have a hard time believing there's somebody out there

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Speaker 2: But I am going with humanity a little bit in

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say this is a hoax and that's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that that's probably more likely than

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Speaker 2: Hold out hope that there's not somebody out there willing

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